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captions standing by. >> 88.9. >> city of davis standing by. >> hpv commission. >> JULY 8th and I see they have a quorum because we have four members. We would have five. But we just four. You. I'd had one. So motion to all those in favor? All right. Next we're going to announcements. Anything from staff thank you MADAM Chair. There I do have a few things I'd like to share. An iem you MAY all prefer that we during the range calendar. So I'll start with two. And know if we want to defer the other.. I wanted to let you all know this is last evening. We'll have in support of maricela and so starting next in two weeks on JULY 22nd, ronnie will be working for us on. She has launching. With two meetings back to back at 3:00. This general plan committee meeting is convening for the first time and then that evening we have planning commission so we're dropping her in the deep end. Right off the bat. With not just back to back double meetings. Wanted to welcome I also wanted to thank victor for the three years that I've been here. He's been so patient, so supportive. So responsive any com can think of supported me. Commission the department. Best. Don't want it to go to his head there he'll be doing city council. So challenged. Think with with packets and last minute details and posts and things like that. He's not off just has a hasta.. >> well thank you. Well done. >> probably working on that I mentioned as part of. I'm talking about my sister that general plan committee is being being formed and it is meeting for the first time. JULY 20th 10th. Its first meeting of the availability of a majority of those 13 members was at 3:00 in the afternoon. But moving forward, we will not typically meeting any time. And that was based on some feedback from some of representatives from the other to either had indicated they could serve available, but we got feedback that the was challenging. And so we're looking at scheduling the going forward for the last seven meetings. I'm sorry. Again. First one on JULY 22nd and then actually I have four things. If you don't mind. The third thing I wanted to just make sure everyone is seeing where all of our announcements are going out not just for the but for things going on around town. Particularly particularly for the is probably the projects that are under construction and breaking ground there is a new newsletter. Also received a copy of a reproduction of that e-newsletter that digital letter. That is a new monthly communications for communication is putting out there will be updates on construction projects. The general plan update. So that is something I highly recommend that you to from our page. All of this information is also going out socials. There is a page on the city website that isn't necessarily as visible, but a lot of the articles in the davis article newsletter. Linked back to on that newspaper page. So I urge you to keep that from time to time. And just very, very brief. Some of those updates. I won't go into all of them. 500. G street has demolition commencing in the next days. If not longer. So very quickly here, 240. Is also demolishing the existing building townhomes also those are so g street is & going to be impacted. There are also and street closures. Information available through all of these rats and I encourage folks who are that era coming up in the next several weeks to seek out that information out there. And then also a final quick update is under going to be under construction here very shortly to. Fortunately, it's not downtown, so it won't be. To all the bustle downtown and the forthcoming chair is just whether you like to discuss the change in the other scheduling notes. We have that I want to. I want to open discuss with the commission if you over the long range calendar, let's see what.. Any comments from commissioners >> just ask a question. I had heard that the flyer that you. Flyer. Had gone out. But it sounds like from what you're saying, there we have to go in and sign up for it >> hello, davis. Monthly e-newsletter is by subscription only. You need to go to the city website. Go to notifications now on that long list of hearing notices and construction notices. It's it's one of that that long list as you can subscribe to believe you do to resubmit to the ones you MAY already subscribed to. I think just add. Hello, davis. Don't have to redo the whole list if you find your letters that you were getting very notices or calling notices please let me know. Under the commission's team believe you can check davis and send. Anybody else? Okay, I actually do have something I'd like to say some of you MAY have noticed that we did lose a member of the community. Away in JUNE commission for ten years. During the time as chair, and he also had his term. Just because of his own background. So he was so very active volunteer community. And he was a member was. And I just think it really I just want to this and also condolences to his family and so I sd news this was streeter no chair, could I just you so much. Oh, you're staff for GOD. No. I'm the council liaison say something? I we just dress alike. It's all good. Thank you making that comment about steve streeter. He was just an extraordinary community here. And also was so sad to see the news. So his passing. I you know, talking to assistant city can't think of something he didn't do. He worked tirelessly to help with things related to people people dealing with health crises. Name it. Steve was there. If you needed someone to help with the food or whatever. And everyone was busy and it was christmas morning and people would say person. He was really extraordinary. He's going to be missed. I just want to briefly mention planning to you all, all these new information from the city. I know if you're like me, you're out there in the community talking to people about the general plan. Sometimes they aren't sure where the information and obviously we do have a general plan website. But I would be really out there telling your friends and people who are interested do the website. Sign up for the notification on that page that is best way they are going to get direct notification of every single one related to the general plan process. Every meeting major milestone that happens. Don't just think you can go to the website occasionally stand up for those updates and then it's coming right. Inbox. So you know how to find everything. So I want to, I want us to all be out there really. Promoting that. So thank you >> all right. >> I just.. Now >> with that. Go ahead. Public comment at this time, any member of the public MAY address us on items on matters not agenda. Name >> I. 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We would like your input, your feedback. On the chapter 40 amendments and with your input as we further develop the complete package, bringing before council just want to note that te you're seeing before you tonight. MAY change just a little bit as we have modify. Sure that things are internally consistent and additionally to the chapter 40 are relatively to start, I by just a bit of a refresher on the initial launch.. So in 2024, the city economic development director, nancy planning committee city council to induce an ordinance amendments that established the outdoor dining program, the writing program council did adopt that OCTOBER 2024. And katie initially played the role of establishing the program. Standards and she has done that role of kind of designated the lead of the community department did so as a part of greater goal from the development department to economic principles to their departments la you this item. So before this program did officially launch several downtown businesses that had a outdoor dining areas that they were using from the right of way fertility during the covid pandemic. And lockdown era and the city you know recognized that the business is having interest in outdoor dining and this was a viable way to, to support downtown especially when it comes to, you know increasing sales tax and people into area and kind of just overall the the of downtown the became to kind of create this streamline from the process that would facilitate things like the design and the maintenance and acceptance and viability. Outdoor dining and so we this program roll out early 2025 on streets. And we had businesses with that 88 three roasters who went through the new program application process and were able to enter their license agreements with the city to be able to fully build their outdoor dining areas and you she has a popular. Town and I think it's a good friend of what this program is looking to promote and terms of business friendly activity. A lot of public enjoyment have been coming from it and so outside of g street, as I mentioned earlier, there are are many downtown restaurants that are existing outdoor dining and so now staff, we are going to work with business to be able to hlp them come to this new graham we're doing things like helping to prepare some site plans that the businesses can work off of to kind of show how they comply with the new program standards and we're working with the building division businesses to identify necessary permits. They might be require overall, the to be able to approve the site plans and along to into these agreements utilize public right of way for dining.. And I this process we are some inconsistencies in the permitting and the varying authorization methods used in additionally,, that three individuals. We can recognize has their own unique needs and circumstances, take what they have presently and be able to convert it into program. So because of all these factors, staff is realizing that we need some extra time and attention than we do anticipated to be able to possible. Transitions. This into this new program. So one of the things we the council is to approve an extension to the original version deadline of DECEMBER 15th to DECEMBER 15th, which in addition to that request, staff is requesting the ordinance section of municipal code and that is what we are for commission to look at input for some of the goals of these are to kind further clarity on the standards and processes of the program. We want to support a unifying element sex by safe. And eonomically viable dwntown restaurant and bar scene and we do want to be able to implement what we have been learning through this process. And so beginning of the program. And so these next several have a the parts of the the sections of the ordinance that we are . I read all the texts which is kind of providing outline of what we're changing.. So the first part, we're starting as chapter four. The section of the zoning ordinance we are looking to advance the and all we're really doing there is kind of thing that definition of a a structure, a parking lot, to the definition of a structure under the universal building code so they MAY require build permits as the building official.. Then te rest of the amendments will be in 2014. 20, which is the ordinance portion of the album program. We're starting with the b two, which is that zone. Sidewalks typically and what we're adding here is just we're tying that. If there are any private and fat across that zone. Threshold .. For example, that that needs to comply with a special chapter three, which with encroachment and wires and public right of way. And while those of subject 35 is outside of the planning purview those with the exceptions, we are also requesting for that will just kind of tie these two sections together when it comes to these standards. And 2014. 141 20 c is similar. We're just trying to design standards to section 35. And that section d is a section. The portion for the application process just outlining what that process looks like businesses expect from the process of what we might be requiring.. >> from >> which is really d in regard to agreements and here we're just adding that license be removed on an basis. And that alterations to the boiler plates tat the city manager needs to prove that any costs associated with that will be the responsibility applicants. F regarding this dining and the only change we're making here is to just reflect that the extension of DECEMBER 15th. Location is those addition of g conversion process that's pretty similar to the section, but this one is for businesses that already have outdoor what they can have convert to the program. So staff that public branding presently and then to introduce an ordinance of this council. And various sections of chapter 40 zoning and the de program thank you. To complete the presentation. >> on fantastic a public comment on this item and then we'll just come back to the commission for questions and discussion. On this.. >> what's your name? Because I found out, you know talked to like at the city council meeting found it because I, I use I and I found out, you know, I like to a lot of things. I feel the outdoor thing I have been invaded from one zero. And I at for half a year up every day like every know restaurants say 85%. I found out, you know blocks, you know, the parking out there no. And so I see the planning many to make sure, you know is not taking the space away. You take away the parking no mean it's very hard to well.. And I want to I want to know just, just like a how many, you know projects and davis and .. >> address. >> okay. Yeah. Okay. So you're.. Project on on ace his name? The >> what we're talking about, wich is the amending of this >> okay. So I tink that's I want to say is, you know when you do anything like expand the outdoor dining, you should about parking space and the street. Okay, so.. >> okay comments with that, I'm going to start to my right with any events with any questions about this. >> structure to the definition of.. In order to have the discretion for permit mean that the the existing built without permit stocks and read 88 and temple. Ten. >> right. >> well, so the the ones on g street were incorporated through the new program. So those ones do were out >> okay. >> one. >> the the g street programme based on city owned platforms within the entirety of the public right of way. So the street has been awarded into space. But from storefront to storefront is the and city owned. And those platforms are sitting on forms and that is where the license agreements come in on g street in particular businesses have license agreements for the amount of square footage of those platforms, the improvements that they are adding to those forms and so those are those are unique street from the rest of the out to the the restaurants that aren't on the other outside of g street will be private. Let's not structures owned infrastructure will be private. Structures for parklets and those will be structured the same in terms of license agreement but they will be atually in the public right of way. So there's a little bit of different. >> thank you education. What's going on?.. With the streamlining, what do you anticipate now will be the processing time application and building >> it's hard to say at this point. Exactly how long the take the you know initially it start talking maybe an hour a new business just as an example, you know, first submit to community development and interest form, just kind of tell us what they're looking to do with the location is just some information like that. And then can we develop reach them? Response and provide the and application. And from there it's going to just kind of be a little bit of it'll depend on again, the responsiveness. So if we're able to kind of gather the information we need on the other side of things, then sure exactly what that timeline might look like, but that can kind of that. If it's in that it's taking a little longer you know, for example, for these conversions. There's, there's a lot of pieces where we're putting together for this. So some of these are taking a little longer. As to get them through this conversion process. And of course, if they require building permits add this to that, that timeline it's a little bit hard to say just because, you know, it is kind of information. Now.. >> was a little.. >> the g street, the three g street restaurants were are were are early early entry entered into the process we're going to refinement now because we learned since we've gone through the process and we've learned where there are some gaps like conversion and meeting because of the out of just guidance and la communication we need with each restaurant. Each one is unique former prior approvals, the prior permitting is unique. Their are encroachment permits. Some have building permit don't have partial building permits for parts of this but not all of the improvements in the parklet. One is is unique and so I don't think we can accurately. That. The whole purpose of this is to provide transparency. Risk and a clear path forward for compliance. And so .. This is this is a trying to convert people over for for us, it's new for a restaurants if you're asking specifically about the building process, if there is a vertical element to the that requires a building permit that would be her building permit processing times. S basically I believe 2 to 3 weeks for for comments to return. We have an adequate application and then again, as, as sam of our processing. Processing is dependent on how quickly the applicant can respond and how completely the applicant listens to our comments. And so we would hope that they would only be two, possibly three rounds within the building permit process in terms of return and getting those plans to point where could approve them on the dining side, on the planning side, we would hope, because we are we have put a lot of staff time into creating a site plan as a leg up. Courtesy to those businesses who are existing parklets it's a lift, right? Like these are these are restauranteurs. Their there's business owners. They're developers, they're not planners. They're not architects. And so we took great care to create these plans to help them reaching out with individual letters done on site inspections, property owner it's a very customized approach to restaurants and it will depend on the uniqueness of their situation. What prior goals they have and what. Have and improvement. So I'm sorry I can't give you enough. We are ging to do these as quickly and as seditiously as can has been doing an amazing job reaching out to people, answering questions. We've gone out on at least 1 or 2 inspections. We're including building effect official the fire marshal and inspections. It's all hands community effort to start this process for how many restaurants, for example, I about 15. Okay. Hence we need an extension for these folks because we very hands on with these folks and don't to put them or in a situation where we're out of compliance. >> you for. >> so I a. Questions and thought nothing happened that I read through all the know code that's being looked at. I don't mean to. Remember all of it, but I do have some questions it. And. I also looked at what some other entities are doing and we MAY already be doing some of the things I'm going to ask about, but again, I didn't g completely doing so. Forgive me if I'm asking things. Already. One of the questions that come mind as you're going through these I'll say outside of g street, it sounds like g street's and clients. So it's going to be the other restaurants that are outside of g street. Are is there other mechanism? Requirement for the use of an architect and there help with actual designs for some of these parklets? Storia kinds of things. I know us because there's one in particular I'm me, I. No way I would people sit. It and eat drink seriously. Very dangerous. I think >> yeah. So you're bringing up my understanding so far is we're rolling out talking with the officials. Anything that does have a structure as we're & talking about it required the same of you know engineering input that any other require and that is part of what we've been doing to when we're working with these restaurants that have existing structures part of some of the inspections we've doing yeah, that definitely a requirement to ensure that it's being kind of a building code of safety. >> so that's good to hear. I mean, I didn't I didn't think there was, but it was still, I think it's pretty other piece of ask is know, some of what we see out there in the potential for what could be coming online, us could be completely how do I want to say from the next and there could be a lot of chaos as a result. Is there any sort of design guidelines for these and the ones that are there and, and what might those folks need to do to kind of and designs >> are one of the things that we will also be bringing to council is currently a furnishing sheet. With for things like ada accessibility. That was created for g street. And so we're going to kind of work off of that. To, t create. Some options for can I be accessibility is a big part as well and so when these restaurants, whether the converting, whether when they're submitting, we are requesting to that they show us kind of these design elements to ensure comply furnishing. Standards and, you know, we make sure that there can be variety but also want make sure that there's a little bit of uniformity >> some continuity. Perhaps design some continuity with the downtown area, the structures that front of the buildings in front of, I don't think that's to do. I think it's really more but that's my opinion. Okay. I observed on g street the other night when the soccer game was going between the us and it I. I was back and I was also sort of to all the same time. Street people are up with their own chairs and it was just a massive humanity. Great time watching on a big screen. The game my question is was that something that was within the parameters and the planning of the g street? Zone or dining outdoor? If you want.. >> one to >> please go ahead. I was just going to mention specifically that I was there too, and for the department of fire it's always about access. And tey had done really careful job marking some pathways. So there was still there was still pathways for pedestrians, at least pretty much you had had 100% on the spot supervision because a lot of people were trying to block the sidewalk, but pretty good about moving aside. So I'm going to speak to it. But it clearly that had to do with move in or out. Quickly I mean >> the other thing that I'm considering is so it's civic space, right? It's being used for civic event. I think that's a great all of that. Positive. How does that then play out on a going basis? You know, how is that managed on an ongoing basis? And how does that impact the spaces that we're thinking about to is that being considered ?? >> so because g street is the public realm, it's it's not the purview of the commissioner or planning department or new development department. I would have to ask the commission if I can come back at some information public works. Possibly from the chamber. The dda, i personally am not aware of exactly what organization. Organized those events. You know, they were well publicized saw the really tension. Yeah. So they come back with some more information because that's I think it was really successful. But you're bringing up some concern. I'm confident that police and fire were vetted. Part of the vetting. Sure as far as like enforcement and things like that, that would fall to them. So I'm, I'm happy to find some information I can email permission back or bring it back to the next meeting. So here's. >> the content and maybe I think that you do that necessarily. I don't know how my feel. But I'm thinking more from the standpoint we're talking tnight about there is consistency get, you know, again, together, you're trying to have it in your municipal codes. So you've got something that's more comprehensive I think something that maybe needs to be covered as well. That's why I'm bringing it up. Okay. If it's not our purview, I get it, but we are talking about making a comprehensive municipal code and policy or outdoor dining. So thought I'd bring it up okay. I think I thank you. >> thank >> okay >> thanks for the presentation.. I. And I don't think there's anything controversial but I do have a couple of clarifying questions that it just wasn't clear. Could you go back to slide 14? Or. Excuse me? Yeah, there we go. So there's a sense of three that says parklets can also be structured for exclusive private use. And this seemed to be a non sequitur there was of parklets, which are use. I just wondered what's sentence. >> right. Yeah. And that's a great question. Well so from my understanding, as I part of this rollout is that the there was kind of speaking to how are separate from, from these the dining program is that they are kind of using what the public right of way. But these licenses will allow them to use it for their exclusive and so I think that kind of addresses what maybe what you're saying with the inconsistency there or of place. That >> yeah. Yeah. Still place not sure that I really what some feedback. >> would be. I think >> feedback would >> be maybe. >> clarify that a little bit council a little bit with that. >> what that would mean like >> thank you. >> and then if you could go to slide 11, just kind of question from my a edification so talks about. Agreements and that there renewed on a basis. Of there a license fees on these >> they're license fee so my allergies. There is a license fee that again will be on an annual basis for the that currently exist for this initial people will waived initially. And then then we kind >> of >> do yeah. >> thank you. Thanks >> thank you. >> thank you. & >> thank you for your presentation. Was really helpful. I am not doing what I asked you to do, which is get closer.. So a couple of questions for as you did search on what we're doing here did you happen to come to any other jurisdictions? We've had challenges or and what did you learn from them that might have a. What you've produced for councils .. >> from kind of did just davis, the last. Few months, so I, I kind of been taking it on. It kind of handed over. But yeah, there might be able to, to kind of evolved. So >> the, the g street project was initiated in public engineering transition few years ago. When katie yancey development director, katie she was about two years ago. That project was over to her. And I speak for sure because planning wasn't part of it at that time either. But I believe jurisdictions were looked at as part of how forming, not just the code language, but the funding standards and how other jurisdictions had gone through this conversion process. And created new out of admittedly, somewhat a bit of a chaos during covid just kind of cowboy city and was asked and ad hoc and you know really trying accommodate restaurants to keep them afloat during, during town. So I can't say for sure. exact jurisdictions were looked into. I can. Again, I happy to invite that with the staff who are initiating this effort several years ago and come back with that. Information. >> I first of all, a really appreciate first and foremost, think if she has brought to this much more extensive gis and how to use gis, decisions here, and I think that's extremely helpful want to thank ellen and your questions. Go through my list. I think really what what can we learn from this? And the last question. Besides that tme question. But the question is delineated this is for the downtown with the potential of the future. Course with what appears now be a lot of growth supposition that everybody will be coming down here might need to be looked at closely my next question is, will this be a universal and is there already constructed the universal way so that something coming to area or other areas? I don't think the first question, is there any other what for public spaces? Outside of the current centers which I believe are all private, is that correct? So that to let's say you have to be there associated what they do. They're still has to come to some of the standards have in terms of building. Is that correct? >> in terms of if it's within downtown want to conform to this program. And right now, I think that is just covering that downtown area. And so we have at this a little more perspective yet. >> I'm just throwing out as a because as you go, I understand downtown. I'm just doing a question about what you can future and could be designed a way. That would allow a so we wouldn't have to come back to revisit is something that's good for this area. Even more area. Perhaps the several other opportunities to create something the framework is the synaptic delay. What is downtown that's just one observation and that's much it. And then thanks to. Good job.. >> response to the shopping centers. It was just that matter that through either development of shopping cnters that may have restaurants outdoor space that would be something that we would look at through the design review is particular developments for private shopping centers if property owners wanted to add outdoor dining within those shopping centers, that would be subject to planning department. Design review, whether it was to a level of review. Design review that come forward, this body be simple material, minor depend on the magnitude of the changes to the shopping center. The proposed parking spaces of remember, we can't require them so that isn't necessarily precluded. So private shopping would fall under the same rules that they fall under. Now, whether or not in the future there opportunities for development or.. There could be other outdoor dining, civic spaces and other places in town. I mean, we would just have to see if that came about. But we're planning staff certainly open to making it a citywide program. Were by property owner who had the circumstance where they needed or wanted to do that in the public private way.. >> they it. >> and talon. La opposed to a sequential approach to creating fire and then the other good. Good work on that. In my opinion. Been done in the past, to what extent it sounds like there's something slightly different that's got help bring things to move forward. Bit more expeditiously and therefore to the city of you. >> my questions >> were already asked. So I feeling fine. I think you necessarily need to vote. Here. You do. What would you like us to do? >> yes, please. MADAM Chair, if you would please make a motion on the resolution when you're ready.. One more comment before we move on. >> I just wanted. >> to support >> georgina's point that the overall design and as these parklets multiply it would be great if there were some unifying design that so much. I'm sort of thinking of winter weather all sort of fits together and it could be a total disaster. If anyway, I hope that >> it's part of our feedback. Even better. Thank you. Thank you. >> good feedback. >> there's just one more thing I forgot to add. Talking and again, MAY have already done this but I was looking through outdoor dining specifically, they had a really nice table in there talks about the different types of outdoor dining that they have. So they've already got like a name for it in whatever the pod, the, you know, and gives the schedule. Whether the permit or not. So everything is there I don't know if that might be something that we don't have it maybe to aspire to it to it's really nice >> a great suggestion >> for $5. >> get somebody to a motion >> are we just saying because the recommendation was public hearing, which we've done. And then it was introduced in ordinance to the city council is that the that we're making and guess the would. Actually be more accurate that your recommending approval of the proposed amendment as written, or if you had further about language I'll make a reservation that we approve the amendment as written .. >> second. All in.. Opposed okay. Very much so right. >> yes. Thank you. Commissioners. >> very good job. All right. And we're moving on to the next item. Which is item b, which is the general plan update I believe for this dara will be speaking and then I think maybe because he had a in part of this update will also just give some >> clarification on, on his items. Part of after you seak and then we'll go to public comment and then the talk. Okay. Thanks. Thank you again, MADAM Chair. So I, I once again, I've committed to providing general plan update. Updates as item. Whenever the planning commission meets on regular business and so though we just update two weeks ago. This is your promise. All week. Update I'm not going to read the staff report to a little bit of movement. Most of it has been in preparation for the general commission. Meeting. The one forming that new has taken quite a bit of an work on the maybe not every realizes, including myself. So we're working on working through the logistics of that and I did point out, which I mentioned earlier, the. Hello, davis newsletter. I just wanted to point out it is a newsletter. And so they attached for you for rference a static graphic of an email. I actually took the email header out kind of clean it up and not do distinct so you would have to subscribe to this newsletter in order for it to be active. Links. There. It doesn't exist aywhere else except to subscribe to la don't know if the if the team has is thinking of maybe put a static version on the website that moves some feedback. But again, the news articles that. That are provided in the. Hello newsletter are on the page you might not get the blurb unless yu subscribe, but you can get all the additional information another way through the page. So just wanted to share that with you. Otherwise you don't really have anything new to report so then we are looking, as I think I mentioned at other inexpensive and easy ways that staff can do more. Marketing and more. Outreach. So are aware of the community engagement opportunities there are already programmed and scoped in the current contract with alta and with aim we are looking at that. And those are efforts that city staff are doing that again. Outside of alta and aims contract. It's things that we can do own power. If you will without having to seek a contract include these additional efforts from the team wanted to mention to everyone that last night we council received a general plan update update themselves and they held the discussion regarding certain aspects of the general plan date and what the council's desires were in terms of them communities to participate they generally they would appreciate more check in opportunity for the council body itself, and there was. Direction to reestablish the for the general update and since one of the council members who was on the frmer that was dissolved. Wasn't there. Now, I'm recess during the rest of why I imagine the council take that back up at their first council meeting this to confirm the members of that committee and the. >> report.. >> rogue and we just put them on the she went to the gram to I watched will if he of thanks.. Yeah >> so yeah, if you didn't have an opportunity to watch last night, I wouldn't again to pull up that that recording. Will get quick time the general plan update that mtzger gave it started at approximately 730. Went to approximately 835 and there was a break and a few minutes after that, I will just add that director nancy had two items that I think the planning commission would find interesting to listen into aren't necessarily specifically to do general plan update, but there they. I think I think you wll find them. Interesting. So with that, I just wanted to. Acknowledge us sorry. Just say mclaughlin's letter, which was atached to this as well evening, because we have everyone here. I wanted to ask the commission if there was any additional feedback or questions or if there was a desire to have further discussion with commissioner mclaughlin and then. To take all that information back and staff were prepare a robust response we'll bring it back to the commission next regular meeting, which is looking to be.. We're going to have just because of his letter part of this item, he wanted to kind of frame it a little bit. Frame it a little. Yeah. >> about now. >> so yeah, >> I seems to be one thing in the last planning commission meeting that was definitely for knowledge. And what's been going on and heard some of that city council meeting I saw that so I indicated that I come back and give you.. Last fall and and kicked off that DECEMBER. We've been in a series of meetings since then. And I will say we're very impressed with the consultant. We've seen several comprehensive land ue alternatives on the way some. And with like one had to do with densification, another one had to do with creation. A tird one had to do with making transportation and there were others. So apparently we amalgam of our input. And input or some kinds of is going to be in the product that's coming out on JULY 22nd. And we're going a broader group will get the on that. But what what you're the letter I wrote was that one of the presentation. We received was actually for the economic development director yancey, and, and she know, she opener because you know, we, we were given information about some of the budget city has and and basically crisis with respect to infrastructure and so I said, okay, well, what more can we do? Here? Circle back to the city council and on the issue of fiscal resiliency and. Economic development and and with any of that, could generate income for the city and also help generate income for the city. So we kind of focus on those things. And then so in talking to staff and we had a meeting with sherry and we were just trying to inquire about certainly with the sphere of influence that we should be back with seeing that could be this purpose and so it was kind of an that was probably in greg and I were just going into the moon in terms of what we wanted to ask. So greg and I got together. After the meeting kind of write the letter. Run and the other basic request. Members and, and the request was really twofold. These simple part of the request is we think these are maps that should be in the general plan, so decision makers can get a map and say, are. This is what you know, the open spaces or. These are the income generating properties that might be coming up and so on. And understand also had a editorial input on this as well. Second part of each of the requests is just our initial thoughts of what we might want and look at and so so for instance, by the comment before the meeting, concern that know go out there and all of the open space and that was really not the were kind of greg and I are kind of looking at like scientific you know, software to hypothesis and in fact, this whole idea of consolidating maybe changing open space actually came from a, member of the community to us to us and she said, yeah we'll look into and yeah, we start out with a hypothesis. Going to try to gather some facts here. We're going to try to find out what it regulations are situation. You're trying to analyze and then we're going to make some determinations as a recommendation. We make. We'll make it if it's a dead end. Then we'll we'll it. This is the project commissioner and I have asked to take on. So we letter it occurs to us well should we have shot this off the way? Should we have asked for commission approval submit this letter and then. And then the question being, should we have gotten somebody else's approval to make this request cty council ?? La genre or whatever I was understand the process right. And and if there's an desire or need to put this to a planning commission vote, when we have here. I'm fine with that. And there also fine. We're finding out if to get more to do it. We think these are going to be really good tools in the general plan exposed to all the use alternatives, and now and also the citizens to create for the for the, the decision makers, possibly to create income or create a public partnership or be a lord we could sell into te property. We don't know because we have enough information, but this is why we want to investigate. So that's it. In ask a >> question. So. Thank you. Bring it up mayor I been tasked for the last year or more with the unenviable task of looking at these kinds of issues that some of the commission reorganizations and the changes in the protocols around self. Excuse me, self initiated work. I just have one question for you which will help think about this. When subcommittee was originally formed. >> correct. >> was there a clear objective to that? Subcommittee? It what we typically do? We typically form a subcommittee. >> was this very formal thing as part of the general plan work they did. If you when it came actually that there would be the general plan can but there would also be a subcommittee commission on land use with tumors. So that is that sbcommittee. >> yes. And what was the though, was the scope of work and that's. And it's great. We didn't further direction than just the formation serious. I, I. >> thought it was to dig deeply. Much more on land use portion of the general plan more technical, more specific, more. Whatever. And the first to go, as sherry pointed out the other night, is kind of a element general plan. If you don't get that right. And so I thought was order. So therefore I thought that their requests for additional information to help them with that particular assignment, which was around the land use. Piece of things. So you're what are what we say land are we talking about? What is fear? And what is whatever. Legitimate? And this to us. >> is a two person subcommittee with commissioners. Mclaughlin and rowe. Correct. And they were voting on you are distinct and separate from the tours of the planning commission, who serve on the general plan. >> there are three members of the planning commission on the general plan, but they are correct. Okay. >> and I will this vision for ourselves. Sitting in on this we saw something that we might >> didn't think this was something different than what they had in assigned. But again, he's asking so that's great. I appreciate the >> back history. I had recalled that it came from counsel to you. >> yeah. Because I as you can see, we sometimes. Do things was actually inconsistency when then again, they were just asking and it wasn't supposed to be a subcommittee. And then the back I said, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. And so there even was I know because I was the one who saw the draft law. Thank you. That reminded me, you know look out closely .. Well just some women dara, any feedback? On that I'm just making have to go back and look and see if there was more specific language, because I'm not collecting. But what I do recollect. MADAM Chair, is, is what, as you said, there was direction from council to form the subcommittee from the gpc rpresentatives as I said, staff just got this. We we put it in the agenda so we're not entirely prepared to address it. I will offer that we think alta has probably prepared some of this or they have some of this information and some of the land use concepts that have already been presented. They MAY do massage some of those exhibits. They've already created customize them to because there's two questions in this process. He's asking a process question and do I need additional like, really? Okay to ask this or did should we have gone some other way? And then the do you have this content that's being asked for which which the to come first, but the content. Well, and what I was offering is that once we really delve into this, though, how much we already have how much extra work either on staff's part or sultan's work that MAY be scope that that we can respond and decide whether it needs to be like a kitchen initiated task that goes up to council or if it's, you know, in line with what was the expectation of the subcommittee >> terms of being expectations. I was somewhat surprised that we got it. Know, a presentation from the economic development direct think we took that stress that that was part of the. >> my my idea would be these. >> guys are supposed to be. >> that's why we put in >> you know, I know we had a lot of people that want to do that. I specifically pushed to have some people that I knew could be. Dive into this stuff. So you tell us and get back to us now I'm going to go to the committee to start our discussion, and of this thing, and I'm the first. >> so >>.. >> tools of is us. Do you have systems? Is able to integrate different layers of information and can ask questions of the relationship between different datasets. These was used to do public. And not only put up on the on the websites. Coming, coming until the 22. And showed up again. I for them perhaps. Might be able to history >> so thank you for >> out. Asking. Since 2019. Those they're not out there and I don't know what. Why is this important? Questions. I think you might want to retain.. There are that knows how to do, which is to allow you to play with the data a question. It used to be all driven. Ai could ask the of it, and it would produce just from the data that asks for a million other variables. Want you to use, analyze it. Give you elections basically you some very interesting information she's done it to set up the really thought, well, what the economic zone. Davis and the challenges that will face tool for that I would strongly urge you to consider looking at that as a possibility with and with the planning staff to see if be available to you. >> comments on that? >> this I'm taking public comment. >> la thank you for that. On this item? Continue. Thank you for that. Have any more. and hopefully you will see it to do it. Okay. Thank you. >> okay. Just comment on the. Mclaughlin. Row piece. I thought brilliant, very insightful and I really don't see how altium could be without a lot of suspect bt I ws advancing this as a task. The current process.. >> and I'm just thinking a little bit farther o the subcommittees and it if I heard part of your asking mclaughlin is any subcommittee. My assumption is formed as a result, you know, commission that body would bring the back to the planning committee. And we would all discuss it make any recommendation that would go forward. So that's my assumption. I don't know if that is the intent of the but that would be my assumption that should be clarified. >> yeah. Clarification is not subhuman. The planning commission said we wanted. Look into being a dual gip council saying you study of two members of the commission. So I think it has to go with some different. But I do think the idea still whatever i'm. I'm all for >> I mean, I think it should be a christian body that sends the information from that to individual subcommittee. I mean, that's not I'm not running the show. I'm just recommendation. Okay. All right. So I having said that, address myself to the question of how can staff roll out the information, perhaps on the general plan updates going on ill use an to maybe kind of make a case in the case of the e newsletter, I think it's great I think the assumption to think that people will just go in and for it when they don't exist. So what has to happen is there has to be a launch and in the newsletter. Would say we have a pretty big database that the city could send one letter out saying started this you want this on a ongoing basis. Go for it. That's the only way people are going to know about it. Along with we have a facebook page here. It on facebook. To launch the information out and let the public know about it. I wouldn't have known about it if I was not planning commission. You know I would apply that to general plan update and I have to lots of people out there about our general plan update and encouraged them and emailed them the information on how to do it. Etc.. I would say the same kind of thing again. Our city must have a very large email database. The information out to the public. Here's your opportunity. Here's the link. Go sign up for it. Ad that way, you noticed the public as to what's going on. And have a database. Not that big of a job to do it. Initially those are my comments. >> joe georgina, would you be open? You also saying that target groups that can then help to like religious institutions? >> well, I mean, but we have them assuming we have that database. Okay. Know interfaith group that they're they're the churches are probably there. I mean, I assume that, but I don't know that >> they to that. I'm asking the if she can direct it. To them to put it in their music >> this is all good. We're getting a little bit off track. I think you all have feedback for general in the communications department in terms of doing a law reaching more. Because w're all facing the fact that people jst the same people there's a good 200 really engaging in the rest of dose tomorrow. And you suggesting there easy, simple ways to push the stuff out. So I think it's useful feedback and be more aggressive as our using lists revert organizations that sort of thing yeah. And I think you else. Anybody on this .. Okay. Thank you. Now we're going to move on. You've got at least you, MADAM Chair. Thank you for all of that feedback. I & will share the commission's team share it with will share it with all my complaints. And we will keep looking for creative inventive ways to out to people that we have. So thank you with respect to the long range calendar. Looking into about JULY 27th with our double meeting, we have general plan committee at 3:00, thats not on the commission but it's working one more time and then the meeting the two items bring before you are the adu ordinance update. That is recommendation to city council for the chapter 40 amendments. We had prior prior. We had adu ordinance update with m6 and sb nine. Nw ordinances, and we are finding have changed and new laws were adopted need support from the city attorney appealed sb six and sb nine out, so we could promote adu and get that pushed through. That was our sponsor memo we got from hcd we were trying to be additional. So that and get our ordinance and as possible we will be bringing sb 609. Either together or possibly separate. Make sense to parse things out and and staff staff will we will get those new the goal is to that still, this calendar year. And I just a quick note about the chapter 40 amendments relate to mobile vending that will also be on the JULY 22nd agenda. Lending is again the 40 amendments. It's for as an example, truck on private property. It's mobile temporary vending, whether it's food or food on private property. The sidewalk vending ordinance. Has to do with pushcarts and a type of equipment. Folks vending generally, but it can be food in the public realm again. In the public right of sidewalks. So city is has looking to yolo county and woodlands and other jurisdictions. We are looking at programs to how it's been rolled trying to align with the county as far as food because they are the permitting process. Their be enforcement for us when it comes to the food vending we're looking at ways that we can model with them. So there's some consistence jurisdictions. And to where tis is an & effort to lower barriers to and sall businesses. We are doing outreach to the community that provided feedback to the chief in FEBRUARY, when sidewalk was first. Anticipated to be brought before city council and then it was taken off the agenda. We were doing outreach to the downtown davis business association. Chamber of commerce. So doing research to all the have a vested interest. One side or the other of either mobile vending on private property or sidewalk being in the realm. We're going to package it all up after which the. Chapter 40 amendments new should say to you. all be packaged back up again into a program to what we're having, and that will all go forward to council sometime in the fall. So quite a lengthy tree for you, but that gives you of what's on. And we're trying to be really to the public and the folks being able to understand the different mobile vending on private property, the planning purview relative to chapter 40 and the rest of the package and and we're creating brand new program. It's, it's taking us some time to knit it together. And again, make sure we've got whole passion of internally consistent and transparent, those kinds of things. So JULY 20th, there will be a busy evening. Right now, we don't have anything fr AUGUST 12th. I will just take that opportunity to revisit what your wife's brought up last time she pulled the member here with respect to an earlier study at 6 P.M.. I believe everyone generally I'm remembering correctly. I ddn't hear any strong objection. We can start that conversation. But I bring that to the city to to to have conversations about how we change that and what the process is. And how do we public know that are standing, meeting time is changing. I think that and she's actually had this package come up on the shelf for us for a while. We've been busy with other things and this seemed like a good opportunity to bring forward kind of that last piece of the commission aligning with council's direction. The commission streamlining so very briefly, I just wanted to give you a heads up on announce that there will be consent item you all decide to pull it off, consent for discussion. We can do that. But it's been. We'll have it on consent next time on 22nd and then we will put these changes into proposing putting effect in SEPTEMBER. So again, since since the members were pulled and a majority seem amenable to the 6 P.M. Start time, we'll be looking that up also looking at starting in SEPTEMBER, that the regular planning commission meetings. Will be second wednesday of the month when they're holidays that conflict or that is insensitive as a cuncil mandated deadline or a statutory deadline for. Fourth wednesday, I could be scheduled instead or in addition. So there could be times where we had two meetings a month. However, we would look at whether the excuse me, the fourth wednesday of the month would actually have to be a special meeting, which the city manager is required to authorize. So we're going to work through this and some of these details will be more fleshed out do on the 20th, along with schedule changes. The commission proposing to establish the recess. The city council's recess next year. As part of the at the moment, as I mentioned, we have anything queued up for AUGUST and so we're essentially. Late this year and not. We're to schedule. Anything in AUGUST, but we don't actually have anything that we have. Prepared that we think would be ready. So.. So that's just a flavor of the decision that we're looking to go. Again, to align with city council position. And so I'm happy to take any questions or feedback you have this point. The full program and the details ad some of the nuances with in a memo for next time. So floor, back over to you. Yeah, this I would just say I'm gonna be here on the 22nd. So be chairing. I would just say now that I'm favor of the modifications, what I understand they are is they're meeting time will be at 6 P.M., which is all the other commissions. Will take the same for the council. And we will a formal meeting with the same month. With a possibility of beforehand. I think that of what we've been experiencing with meeting, cancel cancel me me me me me. Me. That hopefully the allow a know once a month. Robust. Meeting a lot month that kind of thing. Hopefully staff to for better and for us because I think we have not time and then all of a sudden. Being let in, you know, we got a & little. And so I just wanted to give my feedback real quick. The recipe here on the 22nd, give it a bit more formal written up anything else? On this one? Okay. Is that it