Historic Board - 11 Jul 2024

Historic Board - 11 Jul 2024. Location: Commission Chambers. Time: 05:30 PM. Agenda: Historic Board - 11 Jul 2024 - Agenda - Html Meeting of the Historic Preservation Advisory Board City Hall 38020 Meridian Ave Dade City, Florida Thursday, July 11, 2024 5:30 PM Historic Board Chair Laura Beagles Vice Chair Doug Sanders Board Member Jeannie Lewis Board Member Scott Black Board Member Julie Ann Hale Board Member Jean Ward Board Member John Chandler Board Member Josephine Jo Larkin Board Member Marilyn Perkins Hunter CITY OFFICIALS Evis Bushi, Community & Economic Development Interim Director Isaiah Hollinshead, Planner II Craig Hanson, GIS Planner 1 REGULAR SESSION AGENDA Page A. MEETING PROCEDURES A.1. The Historic Board will be meeting in person. As an alternate option, the public may observe virtually. The virtual meeting will be in “watch/listen mode” only; no public comments will be taken virtually. To join the Zoom Meeting by computer or smart device https://us06web.zoom.us/j/88395777295?pwd=IQfmnDa3GNfojNEq3ulV2MGnqC9Dfz.1 To join by phone, dial: 1 929 205 6099 Meeting ID: 883 9577 7295 Passcode: 119319 One Tap Mobile: +13052241968,,81249375653#,,,,*836702# Public Comment : If you are present in the Commission Chambers, you will be limited to three minutes to make your comments as is the usual rule of procedure for Planning Board meetings, except for matters heard in a quasi-judicial capacity. Public comments will not be taken virtually. B. CALL TO ORDER B.1. Pledge of Allegiance B.2. Roll Call C. APPROVAL OF MINUTES C.1. Historic Board Minutes - April 15, 2024 Historic Board - 15 Apr 2024 - Minutes 4 - 7 D. PUBLIC COMMENTS E. OLD BUSINESS F. NEW BUSINESS F.1. Larkin Residence - Building Addition and Fence Replacement 37411 Church Ave Agenda Memo Larkin Application 37411 Church Ave Revised Floor Plan 37411 Church Avenue Fence 8 - 14 F.2. Historic Dade City Website Review Website Review Agenda Memo 15 F.3. Letter to Properties on Historic Register Historic Register Property Letter Agenda Memo Historic Register Property Letter Historic Register Map 16 - 18 G. MEMBER COMMENTS H. PUBLIC COMMENTS (FOR ITEMS NOT ALREADY DISCUSSED) I. ADJOURNMENT J. FOOTER TEXT NOTE: ONE OR MORE CITY COMMISSIONERS, PLANNING BOARD OR RAC BOARD MEMBERS MAY BE PRESENT AT THIS MEETING AND MAY PARTICIPATE ADDRESSING THE BOARD: Any person desiring to address the Board shall secure the permission of the Presiding Officer to do so. MANNER OF ADDRESSING THE BOARD: TIME LIMIT: Each person addressing the Board shall step up to the podium, shall give their name and address in an audible tone of voice for the records, and unless further time is requested and granted by the Board shall limit the address to three minutes . All remarks shall be made to the Board as a body and not to any member thereof. No person other than the person having the floor and the Board shall be allowed to enter into any discussion either directly or through a Board Member without the permission of the Presiding Officer. No question shall be asked a Board Member except through the Presiding Officer. APPEALS: Any person desiring to appeal any decision made by the Historic Preservation Advisory Board with respect to any matter considered at any meeting or hearing will need a record of the proceedings and may need to ensure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made which includes the testimony and evidence upon with the appeal is based. DISABILITY: If you are a person with a disability who needs any accommodation in order to participate in this proceeding, you are entitled at no cost to you to the provision of certain assistance within two (2) working days of your receipt of this notice. Please contact the Dade City Clerk’s office, P.O. Box 1355, Dade City, FL 33526-1355; (352) 523-5052 for further assistance and information. Document: Historic Board - 11 Jul 2024 - Minutes - Html Historic Board July 11, 2024 Commission Chambers Minutes MEMBERS PRESENT: Vice Chair Doug Sanders Board Member Scott Black Board Member Julie Ann Hale Board Member John Chandler Board Member Josephine Jo Larkin Board Member Marilyn Perkins Hunter MEMBERS ABSENT/REGRETS: Chair Laura Beagles Board Member Jean Ward Board Member Levator Holt STAFF PRESENT: CITY OFFICIALS Georgina Cid, Community & Economic Development Director Evis Bushi, City Planner Craig Hanson, GIS Planner 1 1. MEETING PROCEDURES 1.1 The Historic Board will be meeting in person. As an alternate option, the public may observe virtually. The virtual meeting will be in “watch/listen mode” only; no public comments will be taken virtually. To join the Zoom Meeting by computer or smart device https://us06web.zoom.us/j/88395777295?pwd=IQfmnDa3GNfojNEq3ulV2MGnqC9Dfz.1 To join by phone, dial: 1 929 205 6099 Meeting ID: 883 9577 7295 Passcode: 119319 One Tap Mobile: +13052241968,,81249375653#,,,,*836702# Public Comment : If you are present in the Commission Chambers, you will be limited to three minutes to make your comments as is the usual rule of procedure for Planning Board meetings, except for matters heard in a quasi-judicial capacity. Public comments will not be taken virtually. 2. CALL TO ORDER Vice Chair Sanders called the meeting to order at 5:45 P.M. 2.1 Pledge of Allegiance 2.2 Roll Call Roll call was taken, Chair Beagles was absent, Vice Chair Sanders served as the Chair. All board members were present except Beagles, Lewis, Black and Ward were absent. Community and Economic Development Interim Director Evis Bushi stated the board had quorum as clarified from the attorney, Vice Chair Sanders announced permission to hear website discussion first. 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES 3.1 Historic Board Minutes - April 15, 2024 4. PUBLIC COMMENTS 5. OLD BUSINESS 6. NEW BUSINESS 6.1 Larkin Residence - Building Addition and Fence Replacement Board Member Chandler asked if the diagram in color represented the proposed design, and this was confirmed by City Staff. Board Member Chandler spoke with contractor Bob Larkin, who explained that the plan was to use the same type of wood as the exterior of the house to ensure the addition blends in seamlessly, making it nearly indistinguishable. Bob Larkin remarked that, if the Historic Preservation Advisory Board does not vote in favor of the renovation, it would save him a lot of money. Board Member Sanders commented that Bob Larkin had clearly put a lot of thought into the project. Board Member Hale inquired about the materials to be used, asking specifically about the use of PVC or wood. Bob Larkin confirmed that wood would be used. There was further discussion on the durability of the materials, with Board Member Hale asking if the color would remain the same to avoid repainting. Bob Larkin responded that the fence color would remain unchanged. The conversation then turned to the flooring, where Bob Larkin explained that the new concrete floor would be storm-proof, while Board Member Hale discussed the characteristics of the current hard pine flooring. Board Member Chandler offered to provide hard pine wood, Jo Larkin stated their preference for hard pine. Board Member Chandler emphasized the importance of preserving the hard pine flooring, even though it is labor-intensive to demo. He shared a story about removing old wood flooring and hauling it out in a dumpster. There was a discussion about the building currently occupied by Two Hens and the possibility of salvaging some of the original flooring. Board Member Hale asked whether the windows for the renovation would match the rest of the house. Bob Larkin confirmed that the new windows would be similar in appearance and character to the existing ones and that they would be hurricane-proof. He emphasized that the goal was to maintain the building's authentic look. Jo Larkin spoke about the original antique stained glass windows in the house, explaining that the new storm impact windows would be designed to look the same, preserving the historic aesthetic. She described her efforts in recreating damaged elements inside the main house to retain its character. The discussion continued between Board Member Chandler and Bob Larkin about the storm impact windows and their role in preserving the building while complying with modern codes. Board Member Black reminisced about a photo of the house when it had its original features, including a porch and picket fence that a previous owner, McKinney, added. He recalled how the house looked before these changes. It was noted that Bob Larkin has a reputation as the premier builder in Dade City, known for his ability to blend new constructions seamlessly with historic designs. The board touted his expertise extending to projects involving older homes, creating bungalows, carefully matched siding, windows, and upstairs additions that preserve the character of the original structure. The board discussed how the newer homes constructed by Bob Larkin are built with a timeless aesthetic, appearing as though they are 100 years old. The board agreed that Bob Larkin is often the preferred contractor for historic homes due to his attention to detail. They also noted that the proposed carport would not be visible from the street and that the addition would blend well with the existing structure, preserving the original character. Based on Bob Larkin's experience and commitment to historical accuracy, the board felt confident that the proposal would align with the goals of historic preservation. Board Member Sanders inquired with Bob Larkin about the registry of the Grey Moss Inn in his residence in the Church Street neighborhood. Bob Larkin recalled renovation projects that involved moving windows, cedar roofing, restoring chimneys, porches, building carports, and reconstructing kitchens. He commented how his family has enjoyed living there. Moved by Board Member Chandler, Seconded by Board Member Hale. Motion to issue a certificate of suggestions with no additional suggestions. 6.2 Historic Dade City Website Review To begin the meeting, Vice Chair Sanders stated permission to hear website first. GIS Planner 1 Craig Hanson spoke about the historic website objectives. Vice Chair Sanders asked if there are any metrics to track the visits to the website, Board Member Black stated that would be interesting to see. 6.3 Letter to Properties on Historic Register Vice Chair Sanders mentioned that City Staff would appreciate some guidance from the board, especially now that the website is up and running and accessible to the public. He noted that the board could proceed with the previously discussed letter to be sent to homeowners within the historic district. Community and Economic Development Interim Director Evis Bushi raised questions regarding the historic paint palette suggestions and details about purchasing historic marker plaques. She inquired about how specific the board would like staff to be with the paint color suggestions—whether they should be categorized by architectural styles or by specific time periods. Board Member Hale expressed a preference for the palette to be organized by time period, reflecting the architectural styles of those times. She emphasized that different palettes should align with the variety of architectural styles within the district. Board Member Hale mentioned visiting the Sherwin Williams website recently and noted there are colors that could be suitable, which she would like to share with the board. GIS Planner 1 Craig Hanson highlighted resources from other historic municipalities like Saint Augustine and Tampa, where guidelines are broken down by house types and eras. He noted their historic plaque programs that use standardized forms for designating historic landmarks and asked if such a program might be suitable for Dade City, mentioning the various types of signs available. Board Member Hale emphasized her preference for traditional plaques that match the existing historic markers over modern signs with QR codes, aiming for consistency with the attractive plaques already in use. Board Member Black discussed examples of historic markers found on Fivay.org, noting that there are already larger plaques in town, such as those for the Garden Club, St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church, Mount Zion Church, and the Women’s Club. GIS Planner 1 Craig Hanson inquired about the size of these markers and their proximity to the Church Street sidewalk. Board Member Black suggested they could be 12" x 18" and often placed directly on the home. He mentioned that property owners who pay for a marker are generally okay with people coming closer to read the information. He also proposed looking into the company C-Watt Studios in Ohio that the historic board of Pasco County used for their historic markers and discussed further options for signs along Church Street. Vice Chair Sanders noted that some signs, such as the prominent Whitehouse marker, have gone missing. Board Member Black mentioned that he contacted DOT, and they confirmed that the sign will be returned once the highway construction is completed. Jo Larkin suggested it would be nice to offer property owners a choice between having the historical marker on their home or mounted separately. Board Member Black added that affixing the sign to a brick column could be another option. Board Member Hale discussed the availability of grants for historic signage, while Board Member Black highlighted the city budget and the potential for matching funds with homeowners. Board Member Chandler supported the idea of a partnership between the City and homeowners for the signs. There was additional discussion about the County's historic board installing signs, with Vice Chair Sanders emphasizing the value of having physical signs in addition to online resources. Board Member Black mentioned potential budgets for sign installation and maintenance. Vice Chair Sanders suggested seeking input from Jeff Cannon of the West Pasco Historical Society for better organization of signs. Board Member Hale shared that Madonna Wise gave an insightful talk on the Gilbert home on Church Street, emphasizing the significance of the Garden Club in the civic life of Dade City and its role in volunteerism as an important part of the city's history. Vice Chair Sanders asked whether the website offers an online submission option in addition to paper submissions for historic board applications. 7. MEMBER COMMENTS 8. PUBLIC COMMENTS (For items not already discussed) 9. ADJOURNMENT Vice Chair Sanders adjourned the meeting at 6:37 P.M.