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>> Welcome to the city of St. Petersburg City Council meeting and your elected officials our mayor Ken Welch. District one hopefully burdis district 2 Council vice chair Randy Gabbert district 3 and not marry. With that kind of way district 5 Deborah big Sanders. And Council chair Gina Driscoll district 7 Lisa Wheeler Bowman. And district day Richie Floyd. >> And we'll call to order. St. Petersburg City Council's meeting 9th 2022. We start with the roll call please. Briscoe. >> Joining us for the invocation today's pastor William Anderson from Pentecostal Temple Church of GOD in Christ. If you could all please stand to join me for the invocation followed by a moment of silence and then our pledge of allegiance. >> We pause before the beginning of this meeting to recognize this work day people who have come to share in this work day we pray oh GOD that you what give wisdom give knowledge and give understanding that we MAY do the work that you have called us to do. I pray that you will continue to bless out Council. Our mayor. All of our city officials. We pray oh GOD that you look for PRESIDENT Over pray that you look on our governors and all of our Constitution. Those who work in the government. We pray got your blessings upon this day lead us and guide us to remember our citizens and our community in which we live. Bless us in a special way we ask this in Jesus name we pray, a man Amen thank you. If everyone could please join me in a moment of silence we have a couple of members of our City Hall family who need additional blessings on this day as they do with with serious challenges that are facing them so if you could join me in a moment of silence to we send our thoughts their way. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the night states. Council members we have an agenda before us for today's meeting, I'll entertain a motion for approval of approval. In the motion in a second to approve. Today's agenda. And seeing that there are no request for discussion of the current place open machine for voting. Council members please enter your votes. Saying that all present council members have voted with the clerk please telling announced the votes. And your motion passes unanimously. Thank you council members want to marry under is. Council members we have a consent agenda before us today. Entertain a motion for approval. Move approval. Second. We have a motion a second to approve the consent agenda. Seeing that there's no request for discussion with the clerk please open the machine for voting. Change in title just one moment. And I'm sorry do we have any requests for public comment regarding the consent agenda, not we do not. Thank you. I think they have that. Council members please enter your votes. Seeing none I'll present council members a vote a was a clerk please telling announced the votes. MADAM Chair motion passes unanimously with council members want an area where it is reported absent. Thank you. Next we have open forum do we have any members of the public wishing to speak. >> If you wish to address City Council and subjects evident public quasi judicial items listed on the agenda. Please sign up with the clerk. Only the individuals wishing to speak resigned in open form sheet. Only city residents owners of property business owners in the city for their employees MAY speak. All issues discussed under open form must be limited to issues related to the city's impeachment government. If you're speaking to an item on the agenda you MAY only speak once during the open form when the idea comes up on the agenda in order to provide an opportunity for all citizens to address Council each individual be given 3 minutes to speak and after which the microphone will be muted. If you wish to address City Council through the zoom meeting you must use the raise hand feature button. We're interest are 9 on your phone at the time the agenda item is addressed. When it is your turn to speak you will be a new did and asked to state your name and address at the conclusion of your comments when you have reached a 3 minute time limit you will be muted. All raised hands will be lowered after each agenda item regardless of the method of participation used normal rules apply, including the 3 minute time limit on comments. The requirement that any presentation materials must be submitted in advance of the meeting and the rules of decorum it's like public comments is disrupted by violations of the rules of decorum the chair is authorized to accept public comments by alternate means including by email only and we do have a speaker. Lisa Lee Leone. State your name and address for the record you'll have 3 minutes to address Council. >> Good afternoon Council and residents. My name is Lisa Leone, thank you for the opportunity to address you all today. I'm here before you in an effort to increase financial equality. And bring attention to the rent and housing prices in Pinellas County. Overall there's been a 35% increase in the Tampa Bay region. As a native resident I am very conflicted with feelings on the growth of this County percent particularly St. Petersburg over a decade ago. Plans for the downtown area were coming to fruition. Friends are opening businesses and inclusion increased there was a sweet spot that the city really had for several years. I spent those years living in different neighborhoods advocating for my city participating in the local arts movement. And supporting all kinds of forward moving ideas. Those times feel so far away now. The economic development is outstanding and the impact of this should be used to our advantage. But at this point the city is suffocating from its own growth. I recommend we leverage infrastructure dollars and transfer money into housing funds. Penny for Pinellas has 82 and a half million dollars allocated for housing. And yet another former Buccaneers nonprofit is giving away mortgage payments. Your time and energy needs to be spent on solving this housing crisis. Well you see investors invest in this community. We watch residents and businesses that are pushed to the limits. The quality of life for the majority of Pinellas County would drastically increase if the weight of this housing crisis were to be lifted. The city of Clearwater temps to invest in $84 million waterfront downtown development project imagine Clearwater. That's $2 million more then the entire County's penny for Pinellas housing budget. I present this as an example and a reference to residents. I just want to show the scope of the project and their priorities in leadership. Why are we not a priority. But why is this. Please think of the folks that you each of you represent. We make Pinellas County go. The caretakers of children and parents alike. Owners of businesses. We all need you we need you to do something about the continuous rise of the cost of living. Thank you. Thank you. And sure no more speakers. No speakers incident, all right terrific thank you. >> We'll move on to our new ordinances but item d one. And we do have. Hi. >> The proposed ordinance number 11 41 dash the and once approve an indication of Davenport Avenue Northeast from pursing Street Northeast to the Eastern terminus of Davenport at the Northeast. And a vacation of pine Street Northeast from 64th Avenue Northeast to the 7 term is up pine Street Northeast, sitting 4th conditions for the vacation to become effective in providing for an effective date. The public hearing is scheduled for JUNE the 16th. And will for approval. And we have a motion in second good afternoon sky. And afternoon. The records got to learn. Deputy zoning official with development of new services. I have a powerpoint ready but the same power give next week. Okay, thank you. We have a motion a second. He's been manager who second this motion the city before thank you. All right, we have a motion is second to provide a new one. Seeing that there are no request for discussion with the clerk please open the machine for voting and council members please into votes. Seeing none all present council members have voted with the clerk please telling announced the votes. MADAM Chair, the motion passes unanimously with council members want to marry anger is absent. Thank you. Next up we have reports an item f one from Tampa Bay water presenting is council member who it's. Thank you MADAM Chair and thank you that's Some of you MAY not know City Council members not only serve on City Council, but they also serve on different boards. And I'm the City Council member that's assigned to the Tampa Bay water board and I'm I'm happy to introduce shot Cardin. To provide an update on the state of Tampa Bay water and the agency's long-term master plan. He is the general manager for Tampa Bay water and a 28 year veteran of the agency he previously served as chief operating officer before the board selected him as the agency's general manager following a nationwide search back in 2021 and I'll just give a quick brief introduction to Tampa Bay water for those who don't know what it does. It's basically the sole and exclusive drinking water provider for the counties of Hillsborough Pasco and Pinellas and the cities of St. Petersburg new port Richey in Tampa. And it It was made up through an inter local agreement which and elected representatives from each of the 6 member governments make up the board of directors. MISTER Cardin can expand it for but those who are not familiar with the genesis of Tampa Bay water pre 1998. Groundwater was a primary drinking water source in the region and intense groundwater withdrawals combined with a multi year drought. And increased urbanization cause significant and damage to the surrounding environment as a result, some lakes and wetlands completely dried up. Prompting public concern and significantly hurting the natural ecosystem more than 20 years on and Tampa Bay water is celebrated as a model utility for water. Resources and its creation mark, the end of what was called the water wars, Tampa Bay waters that have mission is to provide safe drinking water through intergovernmental cooperation is arguably one of the region's greatest environmental achievements. MISTER Cardin will explain how and why Tampa Bay water upgrades is long-term master water plan and the water supply projects currently under consideration to meet long-term demand needs so with this I welcome you. MISTER Guard and thank you very much of that was a wonderful introduction of Tampa Bay water and I want to thank MADAM Chair, and members of the Council for having me I'm very happy to be here plan to try to do this a couple times a year and update you on a happenings at Tampa Bay water. We put the power please. So as we're talking about a 20 foot almost 25 years ago the member governments got together and created a Tampa Bay water. So next year will be Our successes. Next JUNE. I believe so I wanted to start This first line this is our system today. The local government's decision to create Tampa Bay water back in 1998. Is they one reason that our economy and our has thrived for the past 25 years. Water fuels our economy and we built a diversified interconnected system that has supplied the region for more than the 2 decades that we've talked about in an environmental leave sensitive manner. Slide It is quite different from 1998. The northern North Hillsborough up through Pasco was the system and it was all groundwater and since 1998, we converted to how we govern ourselves and how we Produced the water and we added a bunch of alternative supplies in the South you can see the service water treatment plant that the South facility in the reservoir. So quite a like a doubling of the system. This is our current and our sources we do use 3 sources of groundwater still the cell and the river water about 187 million gallons per day is what we're averaging through the water you right now, and as you can see was ground water. We're using groundwater and the over 40% is from the other sources. This an easy pie chart back in the day one color and it was a 100% groundwater. Right now we have enough water and treatment capacity to meet the region's needs for about the next 7 years. But with a thriving economy and the population growth. We need more water. And you can see by this chart. Our region's water needs are growing up are typically in Hillsborough County and Pasco counties. You can see the 5th set of bars, the St. Petersburg. About 27 28 million gallons and that is the projection probably out through the 20 years. 38 we've been studying 3 new water supply options to determine which ones are feasible for the next water Rick project for the region. The projects are groundwater well field in southern Hillsborough County. A possible through aka for recharge credits. The second project it is expanding our surface water treatment plant capacity. And the 3rd is expanding our existing sea water desalination capacity. About 3 weeks ago in our Tampa Bay water board meeting the board voted to remove the proposed South Hillsborough project from consideration and put it back into our long-term master water plan for consideration at a later time. We could negotiate terms for a long-term for the reclaim credits with Hillsborough County for this project at this time. So we will now concentrating our efforts on the 2 remaining to meet our supply needs. Expand of that quick update on that that was You can see the the cost per $1000.12. $2.72, and it has a question mark that the credit price that would need to be added that is not in there and that is the reason why we're moving on at this time from this project. Expanding our surface water treatment plant capacity could yield is up to 10 to 15 million gallons per day to maximize our current permitted surface water withdraws the project includes 2 options expanding the existing surface water treatment plant or building a new service water treatment plant near our cw bill young regional Reza bore. The capital costs as you can see for this project range from 91 million. $246 million and cost her thousands of ranges from a dollar $4042.31. The desalination plant is a very important part of our system because it is truly a drought proof supply and it can meet up to 10% of the region's drinking water needs. The facility could be expanded to produce an additional 10 million gallons per day. But it's very highly mechanical and you can see here by the cause it's much higher than the other project ranging from million to $365 million and the cost per 1000 works out to $8.56. As I mentioned the cost in the previous Cost is not the only factor that the Tampa Bay water board will consider when it selects the new project. They will also consider environmental sustainability and reliability under each of these headings detailed criteria. For example cost includes capital cost own in cost. Life-cycle cost and whether the project can be faced. Environmental stewardship includes permitting carbon footprint public acceptance and more. And reliability includes resiliency technology risk factors and how the project fits into our overall system. Over the next months we will be some meetings with some public Involvement meeting with the utility directors and also with the board members. With the change in the removal of the one project we anticipating bringing this to the AUGUST board to Tampa Bay water for selection. And with that I would be very happy to answer any questions. Remember he knew its to do. Want to make some remarks against time. Well first of all thank you Chuck for everything you do I thought you gave a great overview it's a very complex. Job that Tampa Bay water has especially if we think a City Council members for 8 members and some things we have to work together imagine with all the governments. And its government has their own boards and everybody has to come up with an agreement so you can imagine how difficult that can be and I know other council members working other boards and they understand that challenging and you and your team do a great job and I also want to take this opportunity to thank other governments that are part of this agreement because working as a region together to provide safe water for our communities and protect our environment is exactly what Tampa Bay water stands for and it's something that we see in other parts of the country the challenges they have. And we're doing something here that's wonderful. So thank you so much in the olive if anyone does have any other questions of any other questions. I really appreciate you coming and visiting us here in beautiful St. Petersburg thank you again for having me and I said I'd like to be back later this year and give you an update. And to tell you where we've gotten today and I thank you. All right, thank you so much and we certainly appreciate you being here with us today look for that to learning more as you move forward. Especially a growing region. You know experiencing just unprecedented progress along with that growth. Our drinking water remains one of our absolute most important things too. Make sure we get right and I really applaud the work that that you do and the work that the board does. Thank you to council member Hannah what's for serving as a representative from our city on My understanding from talking with a couple of the other board members is that you're doing a fantastic job so far and so thank you for representing so well, I wanted to take the time also to acknowledge the most from the City Attorney's Office. For her relentless pursuit of. Accurate accuracy oversight in the course of moving Tampa Bay water forward. >> If I MAY add some hanky for reminding me because there are people here. It takes a team and in the city of St. Petersburg so those that work on the Tampa Bay water resource as he caught Tankersley hearing. Can you please introduce yourselves and by the way Jane yulman my legislative aide who knows everything about Tampa Bay water. So the clot is here was here. Well Tankersley public works administrator. John pound charter water resources, director. And we have got some other folks that also participate in the meetings but it's it's good to have this presentation here today and thank you. Thank you and thank you Jane. >> I also extend my appreciation to Jane and Jamie who through the representative to now supporting was COUNCILMAN Halloran says he's just been phenomenal so. Thank you. Yeah, and we can't do the work without the support of our team because they're the ones they're the experts and we're there to help out so thank you very much. Thanks to a great team effort and thanks to everyone for all that you do on that for this important born thank you for all right. Thank We'll go next to our Council committee reports we we do have an action item stemming from City Council's committee of the whole meeting from 6/2/2022. This is a resolution appointing the ad hoc members too. The community benefits agreement advisory committee. We have 2 members that we appointed to. The I'm trying to find the paper forgot it was in adds and Move approval, yes, thank you so we motion. And 2 and a second to approve the appointment of these ad hoc committee members. Seeing that there's no request for discussion with the clerk please open the machine for voting. Council members please into votes. Seeing present council members have voted by the clerk please telling announced the votes. And chair the motion passes unanimously without council members Curtis in mountain areas. All right. Thank you. >> The remaining items on our agenda for today are the public hearing which begins at 5 oh one. And therefore City Council will recess until 5 o one. Thank you. >> Good evening, everyone. City Council well Mac to order and at this time we're going to. Take up our public hearings for the evening. First item is item. Jay to the owner initiated designation of the John Lewis check or a cow says a local historic landmark. We're taking j to first. The one that's what's on my agenda. J j. The proposed ordinance number one 32 dash h l an ordinance of the city of St. Petersburg Florida designating and John Lewis Jack court located at 5, 1, 10th Avenue North. As a local historic landmark and add in the property to the St. Petersburg register of Historic Places pursuant to section. 30016.0 7, 0 city code and providing for an effective date. Thank you I have not been sworn in. Anyone that's been on this. Do you swear or affirm that. Evans are about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Thank you very much. I am or do the kind of historic preservationist for the city of St. Petersburg this afternoon we have case 31 oh 3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, which is the John Lewis or Jack Kerouac's house. The application was submitted by William Kennedy personal for the owner, which is 5169 10th Avenue llc and Manuel 8 oh 4 preserve the bird. Staff has received for indicating support. So the subject property on 10th Avenue North is located within the distant Heights in the area planted as the distin Ridge it's shown here. And the the Some some of the properties that we look at for landmark designation are significant for their This one is really primarily significant for its association with us very significant individual. This was the author Jack Kerouac Tech characters last home. He lived there at the time of his in 1969, he was a hugely influential author that was born in 19 22 in Lowell Massachusetts and rose to fame in the late 19 with the publication of the novel on the road. He coined the term the beat generation and served as the poster child for the movement of authors with a free-flowing spontaneous style of writing. He really became an icon of a post-war youth culture. The term beat ended up extending beyond the literary movement and to an aspect of use it originally meant down and but became to define a contemporary lifestyle. Care act did express concerns as early as the 1950's with some of the more extreme associations that because church had gathered particularly criminal activity and certain political views. He remained incredibly dedicated to his mother throughout his life and it was with that he moved between New his birthplace of Massachusetts and Florida several times following his rise to fame. So weary of the subject property in 1967 or 1968 care act moved at at 5169 10th Avenue North with than paralyzed mother and his wife Stella he was working on a novel called pick at the time but by many accounts, he struggling with mental health by the time that he year to St. Petersburg during his final interview in OCTOBER of 1969 he told writer Jack mcclintock I'm glad to see you because I'm very lonesome here. Later that month Jack Kerouac died of cirrhosis of the liver at scene Anthony's hospital here in Petersburg he was 47 years old at the time. His mother and my continue to reside at the subject property at least part time until their deaths in 19 73 in 1990 respectively after Stella his wife's to the property remained vacant. But was still in stow's family until 2020. So when we look at historic landmarks that important associations with an individual generally it's desirable to landmark properties that are associated with period of and what makes that person a significant individual for in St. Corrected live in into houses briefly this one actually the one next But this one I he lived in the and has the strongest high. Any of the But he resided to his time in Saint Pete. I I think it's also. Important to note the more I learned about this property in Kerouac's later That Florida you know not only a final place for him to live, but also sort a refuge for creativity and productivity. And that's really part of the broader part, a story of host or Florida. In many ways as well. So some of the character-defining features of of this house are its low pours onto Le oriented single story massing. Its exterior finishes which there are some Britain and really interesting folau a sighting at the There aluminum awning windows with masonry souls from shutters, an integral 2 car garage and overall simplicity design and minimal ornamentation it's a fairly simple But it's it's it's really essentially which is interesting since the 1960's. So to apply the criteria inner city code for landmark designation. This does meet criterion see as it is identified with the person or persons who significantly contributed to the development of the city state or in the area of literature. In addition to significance to resources must demonstrate at least one factor of historic integrity. In this All but continued Association are satisfied. So that concludes my presentation staff does recommend approval of the initiative operation to designate. The applicant is here to speak and I'm available for any questions thank you. All right, thank you. And next we have do we have a presentation by the applicant. Hi my name's conversion. >> We my wife and I purchased the House just come kind of fell in front of us but at this point it's it's controlled by an least 2 a nonprofit. A group that had been in existence for a couple years. Before we I that the Carroll White House was still around and was still you know standing. So we're very fortunate to have already a community of people to help us preserve it in perpetuity I wouldn't add much to the other presentation except that I think the House is not unique in its original design I most born in 1916 brought home from the Morton plant hospital to a House very much like this. One of the reasons why we walked in I went oh my goodness. But but there's very few that have survived the interior design. Since the early 60's. The Kerouac's that have a lot of money. They did not have enough to renovate and then in 1991 keroack died. The of the family locked the House and it was sealed like to touch him until 2020. Nothing is really been changed. And much of their furniture was still in the House. So that so that it's really We're hoping that the nonprofit will be able to keep this house in the state it's a Trevor long after we're all gone, and I think probably another 4050 years is going to be pretty rare to have the 1960's. Of cinder block home with floors that hasn't been renovated haha because all the ones that I've been in real late lately they're very nice. But there, but they state they look different than they did in the and in the early 60's. Thanks for your consideration and thanks for helping us keep this of this landmark. >> And if you're an opponent in this case. Whitney all right. Thank you and at this time we will go to the public hearing. It was for and where when the jurors We will our executive session from. And ensure we do not have any cards. And new cards for this. Year's Eve. We'll get a cross examination. You really think you I'm thinking. And is cross examination requested by the applicant. >> If you said if you could let us know if you're running a little hard of hearing to I did something about the 9 and born in I didn't hear she said. You have the option to waive the cross examination and With all right. Thank you. Okay and did you have a rebuttal are closing for this. I didn't understand you. Oh I'm did you have any kind of a rebuttal and closing remarks on this. No idea okay you have the option to waive as Ken thank you all right, thank you so much. Did you guess the city about closing I was going to do that but then it sounded like you wanted me to ask the applicant first and no I was just didn't want him to sit down again as I know you're going to ask against them. >> With the city like to do closing. No thank you all right. Thank you so much and. Go next to our executive session, then and. Do we have any members of Council who wish to speak council member Hannah what's. >> First of all I would like to thank everyone that worked on this local landmark designation application. Definitely the applicant and preserve the Burg I personally wrote a local landmark designation for against Engel field and I know how much work it takes. But one of the things that I I really love about this is how pro active. It is that you're doing this now not waiting for the time that somebody is going to tear down this house to do it and that you're preserving something about our history that needs to be preserved. When you look at the local landmarks throughout our city. There are some there are a lot of them in downtown and then the older parts of our city. But they're not that many outside of our main downtown area and seeing more on the West really it's really nice to see that. So I'm glad that you brought this application forward and this is a 2 to me I think it historically having a house in that era preserved like you prove you you described in the hot side pictures it's really remarkable Phil thank you for that that's all I had to say all right coming here. Saying that there are no other requests to speak eye wall. >> I will go. This is. This is a very special moment. For me because I have admired this house and I absolutely love that this celebrated author spent some time in Saint Pete. Even though was not for very long. There aren't as many cities in our country who can say that they had a resident. Whose contributions. 2. Our country to our to our literary world. To youth at that time was so tremendous. At the contributions of Jack Kerouac. The House is humble. And so was his life. Stay true to himself even when he became famous. It seems fitting that someone. Like him is part of our rich and colorful history that we have is the city. I love that he found Saint Pete to be just quirky enough for him. It's. Just amazing. And I was worried when I heard that the House had sold. Like many I I wondered what would happen to it and you can imagine my joy when I heard that there are folks who had purchased it. Appreciated and respected. The property they that they bought that they were now the owners of a piece of Saint Petersburg's history. And that they choose. 2 celebrate that and designate that and join with so many of us are proud to say they St. Petersburg was once the home and was the final home of the great Jack Kerouac. There are so many quotes are are well known and and that I love from him. But one of my favorites that's quite popular and I wanted to read today, I thought was very fitting for Saint Pete. And the court is the only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live mad to talk mad to be saved desirous of everything at the same time. The ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing. >> But burn burn burn. Like fabulous yellow Roman candles exploding like spiders across the Stars. Saint Pete. Thank you for bringing this forward to us. >> I would be delighted entertain a motion for approval. Thank you we have a motion is second to approve this item. Seeing that there are no further request to speak with the clerk please open the machine for voting. Council members please enter your votes. Seeing that all present council members have voted by the clerk please tallying announced the votes. >> MADAM Chair, the motion passes 6 to 0 with council members. Curtis and want to marry absent. >> Thank you, thank you, everyone. All right we have one more item left for the evening. That will be item g one. Regarding amending our. And development regulations to expand its history drawing intense. Those ordinance number 5, 0, 9, dash h and warns that the city of St. Petersburg Florida. And many of its land development regulations to expand the willing unit ad use ending the use metrics in section 16.10 0, 2, 0.1 of the city code to the mid 80's in additionally, residential zoning districts and to update the definition mending section, 16.20 0, 1, 0.5 regarding location ul standards for 8.80 use. Any section 40016.0 9, 0, 3.2 regarding parking requirements for certain ad use. And many section, 16.50 0, 1, 0, regulating especially dwelling generally to update existing site and development standards for 80's. And then in section 16.50 0, 1, 1, regulating assess re living space. Generally to update existing site in development standards providing for severability and providing for an effective date. The public hearing is scheduled for JULY the 14th. All right, thank you. And we have. >> We a moment to prepare for a presentation. For this item. >> Yes, we're going to cue it up on this time. >> I can close more Jack Kerouac the eye. We've got loads of them. Good evening, Elizabeth Abernathy director of planning and development services he just about as I was just going make a note that tonight is a public hearing with this to public hearing matter that is before you so we are prepared to do a full presentation this evening for discussion. Thank you. All right so we have a. Presentation available if we so choose. I will. Yes vice chair gathered so not always that we have 2 public hearings so just make sure I understand normally you know we would have first reading and so we would just move approval. I think I counted we've had like 30 some meetings to get to today. I mean is it do we have to have the presentation. >> No but this is a little different, you know we are the reason why we have to for what it's worth is making a change the land use matrix so statute requires that. So it is your prerogative. So take public here are public comment you kuz we can skip because. My preference, not to but that's just save staff time. But that's just me you do have to take public oh absolutely absolutely. So go ahead move approval, then. All right we have a motion a second to approve this item and will go to public comment. >> Manny Leto and Mary Frances means. He stepped up to the podium state your name and address for the record. We'll have 3 minutes to address Council. I mean first use. >> I'm honored to be first. Haha. My name anyway, so reside at 33 o 2 North Ridge Avenue and I'm here representing preserve the Berg and executive director of preserve the Burg so just brief comments here and thank you for. The time and allowing me to speak today on on this We did speak at the drc meeting and our position remains essentially the same that we do generally support the expansion of 80 use. And as noted in the staff report this type of development is consistent with Saint Pete's historic are traditional traditional neighborhoods. However, you know the changes that you're considering today are fairly sweeping. I know that you'll hear from Kona. After me and we do share konas view regarding development in the coastal high hazard areas. Their letter which was issued on Apr. 26 and included in today's agenda should be strongly considered as really you have to kind of opposing mandates within the comp plan to consider and you know one is the increase in density in affordable housing options. But the other is to plan for and mitigate the effects of climate change and in this Sea level rise. The staff report also mentions compatibility with the 2050 plan citing community character and MISTER Will Michaels also issued a letter included in today's agenda highlighting concerns regarding community character and we want to stress that importance of character. Both with and our historic districts. But also we want to note that the neighborhood suburban areas. There is no real precedent for structures like this. So place like snow I'll for example, don't really have a tradition of of 80 use. So we just encourage you to clarify with staff. How the character of these neighborhoods will be maintained should the planned move forward. There are 2 mandates really for you to consider and they are the increase density but also maintain characters so we feel that both need to be carefully considered. We also agree with MISTER Michaels we do need a clearer definition of community character. And it needs to be codified within the city code, so we'd encourage that and finally a recommendation from preserve the Burg and that that in response to these changes they you also consider establishing a grant fund or other mechanism to help homeowners restore existing where historic 80 This could help reclaim some of the city's history. While activating additional units. Thank you. >> Good afternoon council members and fellow neighbors. My name is Mary Frances means and I'm from snow our property owners Association. I'm here today to express my concerns about the impact excess read welding units. First now. While affordable housing is something that should be available to all I believe that ad use with significantly change the quaint charm and neighborhood feel apps that allow that so many from across the state and nation dream of. Areas under consideration would have to be rezoned to accommodate the structures and this will inevitably lead to inconsistent season, the parents and consistency in our neighborhood. This along could result in a reduction in property values with no tangible no real tangible tax or other benefits for the community. All those who volunteer to participate in the program. Given the current aging infrastructure in our neighborhood. Flooding is already an issue and to add other structures to already reduced lot sizes will further reduced from 8 per permeable surfaces and decrease the area's ability to absorb start the storm water. Currently public transit is not available and still allow. Now hours also. Snow has already gets with current residents and adding additional transit component. Well only increased traffic congestion and accidents. The staff at ad used perhaps you could consider adding duplexes all the housing options that will provide the same benefit and be in accordance with the standards that already exist and still out. I'm asking for your consideration to not import ad use interest still out and consider other areas that are less dense for public transit. And are not near flood zones. Thank you for your consideration. >> Good afternoon. My name is and I live on Snell Isle. Coastal communities are special places and home to important resources. But what makes them so distinctive is also what makes them at high risk for flooding. Floods are the nation's costliest natural disaster and coastal communities face many flood risk, including storm surges powerful waves and erosion. All of which caused extensive damage to homes. Businesses and public spaces. Snow already has a huge pump in place to help move water into our canals the city's engineering department places this huge portable pump every year on Snell in anticipation of our usual flooding. Given that greater risk why put these areas into further harm's way. Adding multiples of additional structures and people in the coastal high hazard. Increases risk to people and property. Famous recent flood map adjustments have caused major increases due to the actual risk of living in the coastal areas. So approving the addition of further development in the coastal high hazard makes no sense at all. From the city's housing and land use 7.2 and I quote all approval of new proposed development will consider the hurricane evacuation level and location of the proposed development and provide appropriate medication. Close quote. Certainly a flood vulnerability mitigation plan is called for here prior to further expansion of ad used in the coastal high hazard. Additionally neighborhoods without alleys were never designed to accommodate ad use lack of adequate parking and street flooding hampers traffic flow, especially during an emergency. Pour more and more concrete reduced permeability and to the parking issue and flooding in the coastal areas and instead of attempting to resolve the city's housing needs. You create a more critical problem, then you solve. Please listen to your constituents approve ad use but not in the coastal high hazard. I personally have received over 30 letters from city. That are asking you to please not consider ad used in the coastal high hazard. I do hope you will listen to your constituents. Thank you. >> Good evening. My name is Tom Wiley a longtime resident of St. Petersburg I live at to 31th way South PRESIDENT Of Kona the council neighborhood associations. I'm here today to follow up in a letter that the Kona sent to Mayor Welsh on Apr. 26 with copies of the City Council a community planning and preservation Commission and the development review committee. The letter addressed the pending proposal to build housing to all units in the coastal high hazard area. I would like to leave a copy of the weather with the clerk to be put in the records I believe it MAY already be in a records though. I have a copy. With a Risk for flooding to the climate change sea level rising predicted intensification of future storms. Sunny day flooding along with infrastructure issues reduction and permeable surfaces. Evacuation considerations and parking issues. The proposal to build new ad using a coastal high as the area should be reconsidered I'm sure we all agree that housing, especially affordable and workforce housing is critic is a critical issue in St. Petersburg however, even of homeowners are willing to take the risk of building a the use of the coastal high hazard area. Economic considerations and the ever-increasing cost of materials and labor. This highly do use will help with this issue. Additionally we suggest the proposal. To extend aid to use at the coast a high hazard areas be discussed with fema to determine possible effects on community flood insurance ratings. I thank you for your time and hope you consider the suggestions we made today and reconsider the proposal to build a to use and a high hazard area. Thank you very much. Thank you. >> And Walter Borden. Good evening. My name is Pat Mason and I live at 2.19 Catlin Boulevard on snow while. The first I heard of a plan to add 4 units per lot Snow I'll about a month ago. When Derek. He'll born came and explained to the neighborhood meeting what what the plan was. And this seemed to bring back memories of my meeting of Florida history. Where disasters happen when you only build on the coast and everyone wants to be on the coast but at the same time. Those of us who live on Snell Isle know heavy rainfall can prevent you from getting to and from your home. Street parking would be very difficult because the streets flood. I think that trying to put more density in a coastal high hazard area would be very problematic. I believe that historically having density to coastal areas has caused one of the the biggest problems we have in Florida right now which is the flood insurance issue. And so many people cannot afford. Flood insurance because it's gotten so high. So I thank you so much for your service to our community and all the hours, I know you spent considering all of these plans. But I hope that you will. Not decide to put additional density into our coastal areas. Thank you. Walter Borden. I live at 5924 Street South and I'm PRESIDENT Obama shows neighborhood Association. I wrote a letter to the City On the subject. A few weeks ago and I'm not going to read what I what I wrote to you in the letter, but you know. We are opposed artillery dwelling units in the coastal high as an area. We think that for all the reasons that everyone else has stated. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. The cost to the city for According to the Tampa Bay partnership $2.3 billion over the next 25 years. The city's Water resource management plan, but it doesn't address. Seawall replacement from you know rising water and flood proofing of structures. So we're recommending at the very least that you study this a little bit further and not you know just pass it. You know in terms of the us Ted x, nobody has mentioned something that I think is really important. Westminster shores is in our neighborhood, it's a retirement community and they have sales sales building that they've the directed at the House. But it's used as sales building and it is 6 feet or 8 feet above grade. So if you're building and that the code requires that you build up that high. So if my neighbor behind me bills and 0 read welling unit in their backyard. And it is 6 feet above grade it's going to the floor of its going to be higher than the fence between our our yards. I mean it's going to change the the nature of the neighborhood entirely. Now in recent storms. My wife works at Westminster and she and I actually helped evacuate people because the water came over the sea wall it was even a hurricane it was just a major storm and so it's a serious problem. All across the city and the auxiliary dwelling units are not going to help that's only going make it worse. So I think it's important that we do it in other neighborhoods where there's no risk of flooding. And we don't have to build the building up 6 feet off the ground in order to build on that site but for the rest of the rest of coastal high hazard area. We're recommending that you don't approve it. And sure no more speakers. >> Thanks everyone who took the to join us for the. Our meeting and and for your comments. Get for City Council member hanau it's. Thank you and thank you everyone for being here. I want to start Derrick because I know you didn't give a presentation and based on some of the comments and actually based on some of the letters I want you to please explain the difference between and assess read welling unit and the zoning change such as and pm. >> good evening bear Cub arm and urban planning historic preservation. This particular package includes reference to accessory dwelling units and there are some minor text amendments to accessory living space. So let's start with the difference between those 2 accessory living space is really an extension of the main living area for that a primary residence. It's typically a a relationship to the family that occupied the primary unit. It is not allowed to have. Full to 20 connection for range that makes a little different than an accessory dwelling unit which can have that full kitchen and is in many cases rented out to an individual that might be totally independent of who is living in the primary unit. They also provide a option for families that have. Senior family members that are coming to live on site or also children there MAY be returning from college. It provides a another housing option for those families on site. Another important distinction that we're going to highlight in the presentation is that an accessory dwelling unit. It's not always it can also be attached or it can even be carved out of the existing. 4 walls of the building that's there so it's not just a detached in a new footprint it can be an created out of the existing footprint. And then some other part of the question was zoning changes. I think people think that if you allow an ad you know it's going to change. It's not a zoning change. It's not like you're changing. But and theater chain parts of what it is, but it's not a complete zoning change like ntm we all said and can allow 4 different units from a single family home, this is just in the sense retooling unit to the main house that's there. Wrecked in in a technical sense. This is not a map amendment request. This is a text amendment and to just kind expand on your reference to the Mtn category which is a totally separate discussion that I know this group knows we've been having the ntm language today. Excludes ntm zoning within the coastal high hazard area because of our concerns that you've heard expressed tonight in the public comments that we've been reading in the public comments submitted. >> And then the other thing is height requirements, I know they're they're obviously requirements. The 2 feet above board or whatever but people build this. 2 story House. Yes in these neighborhoods in coastal high hazard. Areas This application does not recommend any changes to the existing building height. Allowances and maximum socail they have to build within the existing regulations today when it comes to building height. It's also important to know that they have to build within the existing maximum impervious surface ratio. So when you hear about concerns related to drainage. We're not recommending any changes to impervious surface ratio because we do share those same concerns. Ok thank you very much welcome. But I just want to go through some I went throught the letters I went throught the I narrowed down the issues that everyone has. And I want to make some comments about them. Specifically. So the first one I want to touch upon is neighborhood character. An ad you based on this asked to comply with the architectural standards of the zoning district and be compatible to the building containing the principal use including finishes Ruth page and paint scheme. And they have addressed neighborhood character within this. Or did within the changes. So. The idea that whatever they're going to build that's not going to look as part of the House is going to be part of the House because it has to comply with it. The ad you requirements aren't come for me with our vision 2050's housing section vision and Page 20, there were 4,000 commuter responses summarize 5 preferred strategies and basically one of them was allowing a century dwelling units and also 9 districts that allowed single family homes. And so this idea that ad uses that part of the vision 2050, I've read it and it's part of it fits within that the housing section mission and goals. Rentals a lot of objections had to do with people not wanting renters in their neighborhood benefit the character of their neighborhood. A homeowner has a right to rent your home and what I found interesting. And a little bit disturbing was the fact that people that if you have a problem with breaking out the home, but if it's the a tu it's a problem. I don't see people asking these private property rights to be taken away in terms of allowing someone to rent your home. But if they have an ad you then it becomes a problem if it's a rental. And by the way in a view doesn't have to be a rental. There's a reason why they're called granny fats and and mother-in-law suites because most of the time they have been used historically by family members. Whether it's the parents or children or even someone who would work for the family as a nanny or a home office. So and and to the point of preserve the Burg frankly I think there's more of a likelihood to keep an older home in snow while and not tear it down if you allow an ad you because when you look in your your concerns about coastal has been I'm gonna get into the impervious surface part of it. You look at a map there is a large a lot of large homes in snow while that you would even be able to build an ad you because there's a space and what you do see is a lot of pools. Pools are impervious and no one's asking people not to build pools and I will tell you there's probably be a lot more pools, snow wild and your ad use. And so you know to allow a homeowner to build a pool and then say well. But say there is a family they don't want to pull, but they would like to have a ad you for their aging mother. Why wouldn't they be able to have that they're not increasing the the impervious surface are doing it within the rules. They just don't have a pool. But if they had a pool of the fine. So I'm having a hard time understanding that logic. If we rely on the and history. They made changes in 39 reduce the minimum lot area, the minimum size for units which I did 9,600 17 parcels and you know in 2021 or 22 ad use based on these changes. So the idea that you're going to have this a dramatic increase. It's it's not veer from the numbers but you do allow people to have this option. The idea that density and household doesn't fluctuate whether it's a couple who decide to have children and also we have one kid to kids now you come from 2 people 5 people then go to college. You go from 5 people. 2 people. Nothing stay stagnant in a in a household in terms of who lives there and who doesn't nobody saying that should change. So having an ad you MAY not even increase the amount of people the household, especially of children leaving maybe they want to come back maybe they want to live. And save on housing because I will tell you this allowing your child to live after college to build your life and providing affordable housing is something I think a lot of parents would like track the opportunity to have in the same thing with a grandparent, I know so many parents I mean so many people who have aging grandparents right need to take care of them and how expensive it is to house them somewhere else and the a tu provides that option. I wish I could have done that with my mother. Maybe your job requires you to work from home and you need to get away from your family, maybe your husband says I don't want your mother living my house. Those are all great reasons to have an ad you and maybe you do have to rent it out. So my point is it gives property owners options, and it doesn't necessarily mean everyone fears that means. One thing that MAY help in regards and I'll just share this with city County with a colleague says maybe limit the size of a be used in coastal high hazard. Still allow them to maybe just limit the size a little lower. And that could baby help with with some of that concern in terms of impervious areas you know whether it's you know 700 you know square feet are or 600 square feet but they can do that in coastal high hazard and you can still have the option of an edu so I think it just goes down to a property owners right infrastructure. I will tell you I know it's reference in the materials, but I don't think we can say this enough because I constantly hear it. People concerned about more people in the city in our infrastructure not being to handling and I will refer to our public works administrator Claude Tankersley and he did a great presentation of amber 1020 20 at to see ppc explaining explaining our wastewater system and our water system and your capacity. Our population at that point sent 27 million gallons of a day of human sewage treatment plants country in average 56 million gallons per day. An average day. When we do get some ground water and stormwater system that adds another 7 million. During a storm. Those peak flows go up a 150 million. The 80% is coming from storm water and groundwater is not related to population is related to leak in the system which by the way the money they have spent is to improve the system so now it can handle a 150 million in peak periods when the rain comes in so has nothing to do with population. Our water system can handle 63 million gallons a day and we're only using 30 million. So it's important to understand these facts because when you're talking about infrastructure, it's not the population. I know there is out there frustrations. I read the changes and I know that they have placed limitations and where parking is required. So I'm I'm getting to my and but I think I think I tried to cover a lot of the issues of some of the concerns and we're I'm having a hard time relating some of the concerns with what is really happening. So thank you. Vice chair gathered. Thank you a lot of push my button second because I mean you checked to most of the things that I was thinking in saying as well so thank you. I went through all of the letters as well and created a couple of pages I guess kind of my thoughts about those and. >> And most of those covered by council member Hannah I mean there's this idea that we're just kind of you know willing only throwing this out there right like we we haven't really thought about it. Well there's been 34 meetings to get to this point if you consider all of the stakeholder and put all of the community meeting I mean we have really really went through this and tried to make sure that this it's something that will work for our city for all of our city. The district that I represent is 95% coastal high hazard. If we do not make serious changes in our housing stock across the city. We are going to be leaving out huge opportunities for our workforce for people to be able to live across our city and to spread the burden of the affordable housing crisis appropriately. Because I represent a district with such a special need. I consider myself to be an expert in this arena of coastal high hazard and resiliency and sustainability and the long-term sustainability of our community and that is going to continue to grow as time goes on. The maps are changed about every 5 to 6 years or so and so every 5 to 6 years more and more of our city ends up in the coastal high hazard zone. Eventually there could come a day when 75% of our city is in the coastal high hazard. If we're not being smart now and making the appropriate changes today. We are going to be completely behind the gun we're going to leave such a limited part of our city for the everyday working people and we're going to continue to be a city of haves and have nots and that is not where any of us want to be. So as far as the coast a high hazard zone goes. I understand the concerns we have infrastructure issues different to the ones that council member Hannah what's was talking about pertaining to street flooding and things like that we have to continue working on we're going to continue working on those things whether we increase density whether we do nt m whether we do any of this. Those are realities that we're faced with being a coastal community that we are going to continue to work on regardless of what happens here. You know I just want to be very clear. I do not have concerns You know any sort of density increase rezoning anything like that because as council member Hannah with said that is not what we're dealing with today. I can also say that for you know just my experience as a real estate professional I see the extra added benefit that a lot of people don't recognize in the fact that there are people out there who cannot afford to purchase a home today but MAY be able to purchase a home if it had an assessor e dwelling unit that they could rent out that would help them be able to cover part of their mortgage. That is another part of the affordable housing coin that people don't even think about as far as I'm concerned we it is time to move this forward, I'm glad that we've already moved approval look forward to hearing from the rest of my colleagues so thank you. Thank you councilmember fig Sanders. >> Thank you thank Originally I was going to because. We don't know Affordable housing is an issue in this would definitely benefit those needing and wanting to live here all of you have heard. I mean tell my stories of my son's going away in coming home and not being able to bill the House find a house find somewhere to live. My son served in you know his country and still couldn't builds. In the city where he was raised, but more importantly for me is the perspective that I have is an African American Council member representing a large part of this 60% that is not a part of the hands that I'm having to look at not only the migration to get your vacation The long term implementation is this going to 2 impact those that we consider the because they can't afford to live anywhere else. And we don't allow building in all of our cities over on where those vents can only afford to live in those areas go. They wouldn't be able to live anywhere rooms. So I'm having to look at the legacy the long term the The Land that is here. In the in the city of St. Petersburg everyone loves their home. But everyone loves the home as to where they can afford to live. And so I just want to ensure in and we liked like everyone is saying we've had this conversation so many times and even before I was elected that was one of my concerns isn't an unintended consequences. My colleagues will tell you I use those 2 words on a regu