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Anyone wishing to appeal an decision MAY need a verbatim record. A video MAY be requested at the Office of Communication is online. The city published an agenda and the public has been given opportunity to provide public comment. Public comment opportunities comply with the Florida statute. The city has given options for members of the public to give their opposition or support for these items. Members, are you comfortable with these rules? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Let's rise for a moment of silence and the Pledge of Allegiance. [Moment of silence] [Pledge of Allegiance] >> If you intend to testify, remain standing. Do you swear or affirm your testimony is the whole truth? Thank you. You MAY be seated. I will call attendance. Oll call] We do have quorum. I have an absence waiver for MR. Manuel Vadillo. >> Motion to approve. >> Thank you. >> Second. >> Yes, MR. Joshua Patinkin. Thank you, sir. We do have quorum. >> We need a second on than bsence waiver? >> We have one. Do have the arrival of MR. Paul Mann. >> Porosoff. >> He requested the waiver through you? Yes, Mr. Elon Metoyer. Do I have a second for the absence waiver? >> Second. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Great. Uh -- minutes from -- ? >> Move to approve the SEPTEMBER 3 minutes. >> Second. >> All those in favor, say aye. >> Thank you. Also, MAY we close the onlihne ublic comment? There were none. >> Yes, let's close it. Okay. So, is there anything -- ? Ing away? >> Yes. Items 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 -- these are all in relation to the fee adjustments for the pz department. At this time, we are still working through these increases with the Builder's Association of South Florida, so we request deferral to the OCTOBER 8th meeting. >> Anyone in. The public have anything to say about it. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Okay. >> Then, the last deferral to item 7. This is a rezone for 15-01 orthwest 27 Street and 1435 Northwest 37 Street. We encountered a noticing issue on this, so we need to defer it to the OCTOBER 8th meeting to correct the noticing. >> Okay. In that case, we don't have to -- ? >> On item 7? If you could -- my preference is fir you to do date certain. >> Motion? >> Move for date certain OCTOBER 8th. >> Somebody? >> Second. >> Thank you. All those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Okay. >> That concludes the deferrals. Great. Just a follow up on the calendar -- I know we gave notes. Is that ready to go today as discussed from before? >> Melanie, do you want to do it? >> There were the dates you requested to move the meeting to Those dates conflict with the code enforcement board. We were not able to -- the meeting time -- it's just the same time as pzab. >> We have a little bit of discussion. >> I recommend keeping the original dates the board recommended because there are not alternative dates for the chambers. My recommendation is that you keep the day of the week and the time. >> Leave everything the same? >> If there were other Wednesdays available, that would be okay. That's what I recommend, but there are no other Wednesdays available. >> We just leave it as presented? >> I recommend leaving it as is. >> So, I am thinking that is going to be shorter than the whole presentation on the marijuana legislation. I thought we could knock it out if that's okay with counsel. Can we just do that? >> Yes, do you want to -- ? >> Yes. >> pzab 8, 17981. A resolution of the Miami pzab to review and approve the 2026 calendar. >> Great. If you could just remind us what is not going to change that we had asked to change? >> You requested to move your date to JULY 8th. We cannot accommodate that because of the code enforcement board. >> Right. >> Also your date in December -- you wanted to move it to DECEMBER 13th. We cannot accommodate because of the schedule of juice one nforcement board. >> All I would ask is, if we leave the dates on, especially the JULY date and to some degere t to avoid putting much of anything on those dates. We will have a quorum problem. >> I can try. >> As we go. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes, I and it doesn't fix it. >> Does anybody have any comments or questions? >> The proposal is to keep the calendar as it stands? >> We tried to move JULY and DECEMBER because we felt they would have a high likelihood of no quorum. The Wednesdays we wanted to try to get were unavailable because of code enforcement board. We didn't go down the road of other changes to days, but I think, to staff's point, it MAY be best to just let it ride. >> Okay. >> We can try to plan around that. >> If there's nothing, I will move it. >> I want to make sure there's no other suggestion or anything -- some calculations. >> I don't have any other suggestions for you. >> We can look at a Thursday, but I don't recommend that. >> People forget. >> We are creatures of habit. We are used to showing up on Wednesdays at 6:30. >> It's something we can look at later if something opens up and everybody gets on the same page; we can addresses it. >> Right. I do want to say though -- if we defer something to a date certain on those days, we might have -- >> We can try our best not to do that as well. >> Yep. We will keep that in mind. >> Add that to our-every meeting, we'll remind us. We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> I will second. Ay. All those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Okay. We are going to keep the calendar as Prussian-oriented. You. Okay. >> [Roll call] Thank you. Passes 8:0. >> Okay. Great. Next item. >> pzab 6. File id 18036. a resolution of the Miami pzab recommending to the Miami city commission approval of an ordinance amending ordinance 13114, the zoning ordinance of the City of Miami, as amended to permit medical marijuana treatment centers in the city by amending article 1, titled definition to amend the definition of commercial to include medical marijuana pharmacies by creating new definitions, amending article 6, titled supplemental regulations to provide distance requirements and design regulations for these facilities and panharmonicons, g to provide subsequent establishment containing a severability clause and providing for an effective date. >> Good afternoon. I am here to present the new legislation for the medical The purpose of this amendment is to introduce new definitions relating to the use of medical marijuana dispensaries and pharmacies [Unclear. ] Briefly, one of the changes in article one, of Miami 21 in the definitions it goes into the general commercial standard and adds pharmacies, as well as medical marijuana dispensing facilities. It provides definitions for either of the terms. On the pharmacy there's been a minor change. What's the difference between the two? The medical marijuana treatment center dispensing facility is where you get the medical marijuana and the pharmacy is where you do not. They needed to be distinct because the state is making us treat them the same. Transect zone, where is this permitted? It's prohibited in the. 3 zone. It's allowed in all zones except t4r, t5r, and t3. I put the. P to stand for supplemental regulations because there are a lot of supplemental regulations, which we'll go through. This is being treated the way alcohol is treated with distancing, certain transect zones and uses. We'll go over these. These uses are the same regardless of the transect zone with the exception of some of the nrd 1 and nrd 2. There's a 15 foot distance between [Unclear. ] There's a 1500 foot distance between other dispensaries or another pharmacy. There's a 300 foot distance between churches or places of worship. There's a 500 foot distance between schools, though this can be overridden by city commission approval. There's a 3. 5 mile distance between a parimutuel which deals with gambling. There are some unique regulations for the nrd and. Cd. They have increased distance standards. The ncd 3 first, instead of 500 feet from a school it's now 750. Likewise, it's also 500 to another dispensary or pharmacy versus a 1500 foot distance. I did highlight the nrd 1 and dispensary/pharmacy. There was a change to say in the nrd 1 you do not need to meet the 750 foot distance requirement. That was one change specific to the nrd 1. In terms of administration of this, similar to alcohol there's a reservation system being created. An applicant would submit a request for the reservation and also the distance requirements. They would receive a letter which would be valid up to six months. They can be extended up to a year as long as they have active building permits, that they can show it's an active thing they're working on. Last but not least, there have been a couple already admitted into our city. The legally established pharmacies/dispensaries MAY continue. The ones that have gotten into the system are a conforming use in this legation. On. That's pretty much it. Happy to answer any questions you guys have. >> I just want to clarify. I know Jake mentioned but there are two changes between the item in the agenda and the presentation today. He highlighted them but I want to highlight them again. The definition of pharmacy explicitly excludes the sale of marijuana or cannabis to separate them. And then, the change in the nrd 1-the draft you received had a 750-foot distance from another facility. In Jake's clarification he larified it will be the normal distance of 500. When making a motion if you're in agreement with those, we would ask that those amendments be included. >> To the chair, can you repeat the first part? >> The first change was-so, in the version that you all have the pharmacy definition includes the sale of cannabis. They would basically be one and the same. And, the new proposed change is to separate them. So, the pharmacy would be selling any other medications except for cannabis or medical marijuana and the medical marijuana treatment centers will only be selling medical marijuana. >> Through the chair if I MAY? >> Sorry, real quick. Do you want to list the other -do you have a slide with the changes? What was the distance one? >> The distance one was, as drafted the nrd 1, instead of 500 feet from another facility it was 750. That's been scaled back to the 500. Now, it's only 750 in the ncd 3. >> Just clarifying, in the nrd 1 they're removing entirely the separations. Nrd, basically it could be back to back. >> nrd is-it will-are you basically saying the same stuff? >> If I MAY, I want to supplement everything he said. >> Is everybody okay with that? Let's hear [Unclear.] >> I couldn't hear your comment. >> He's going to supplement and enhance what was presented and then we'll go through it. >> [Unclear. ] So you know, this has been a long time in the making. I've been working with the commissioners and staff on trying to draft an ordinance since the first time one of these dispensaries came before pzab. You mentioned that the commission should create an ordinance so they don't get denied and denied, then approved in places we don't want them. We've been trying to draft an ordinance that puts the city into conformity with the state law. What we did here, I think this will fill in the gaps of the presentation by Jake, is we essentially created distance separations. If you look at a map of those, there would be no location a dispensary could go in districts 1, 3, or 5. It limits the locations of a dispensary to districts 2 and 5. Those are the commissioners who would potentially support having them in their district. The next thing is to make sure it would affect pharmacies as little as possible. As you know, a. Vs or Walgreens, to have them over 1,000 feet from another pharmacy, we don't want that. We created an exception that when a pharmacy or dispensary is within convenience store use [Unclear] A dispensary is not permitted to sell any other products in a convenience store. That exemption would never work for a dispensary. With that, in regard to the changes that were made, the only change to the distances was specifically in. The nrd 1. They still need to meet distance requirements but the 750 feet between dispensaries is being removed. Wynwood is the only area in the city that could happen. They still have to be far from schools, parks, and religious facilities. We've been working hard with the commission to draft something that follows state law, that would be supported by the commission in a way you see works and can recommend so going forward no more dispensaries in places the city wants to see them have to get denied and appealed. For instance, last week one that was appealed got approved by the commission. This is, we're hoping, smart legislation to put the city into compliance. The first one that was appealed went all the way to commission, got denied, went to court, got removed from federal court for being a zoning issue. That location got approved at the end of the day. This is a matter of bringing the city's code into compliance with state law, in a way that commissioners are supportive while not banning it outright in the city. Thank you. >> Just one second, a question for the gentleman? >> Oh, yeah. >> Could you walk me through what you said about the property s? >> Yeah, within the ordinance we created an exemption so that when a pharmacy is an accessory use to a convenience store or grocery store, to another bigger use- >> So that would be an accessory, so the typical pharmacy you see at Walgreens. >> Those are convenience stores with a pharmacy inside. Those would be exempt from distance. >> If one of those operations came to the city- >> If a cvs wanted to open across from a school they wouldn't be subject to the 500 foot distance. The only requirement that would kick in is if you had a stand-alone boutique pharmacy. >> You guys are feeling that that's -- again, I'm concerned about restricting pharmacies. >> We specifically crafted it to minimize impact on pharmacies that people don't necessarily want to have far away. >> The state law was specific. It sounds like it was just thrown in there-[Unclear.] >> The state law specifically says, and the requirement in the state statute is that if you allow dispensaries in your city they have to be treated like pharmacies. You either allow them and treat them like pharmacies or prohibit them completely. As long as they're treated the same way you can do it. If you limit pharmacies, dispensaries should be treated the same way. They're treated the same way but with that exemption a dispensary wouldn't be able to meet that because the state law wouldn't allow a dispensary to be in a grocery store. You'd never see a dispensary in a. Vs or Publix. >> It's considered an accessory? >> It's a retail use with a pharmacy within. Because of that, it doesn't apply to distance restrictions. >> I apologize for repeating myself. [Unclear. ] >> Based on the way the ordinance is drafted. I'll let amber -- >> Yeah, as drafted there is an exemption for the distance requirement for pharmacies located in another use. They're like the ancillary use. A cvs, Walgreens, or Publix would typically fall into that category. You mentioned Navarro. I'm not familiar with that pharmacy. If it's an ancillary use it would fall under the exemption as drafted. If it was a stand-alone pharmacy or if the pharmacy was the main use. >> It's gotten a little bit muddier. Let's back up a little. Pharmacies cannot sell pot, correct? >> Correct. >> No matter where they are, pharmacies do not sell. Pot. Here, we're talking about distance requirements. If a pharmacy is nestled in a convenience store it doesn't count. Secondly, and no dispensary can be inside a convenience store. They have to be stand-alone like a clinic. >> Currently. >> For the current state law. >> But they do have the 750-foot rule. Any dispensary would be no closer than 750 feet from the next dispensary. I'm just saying, knowing what this business is like we're going to have dispensaries literally wall to wall if you let them. >> Wynwood would be the only area that could be possible. >> Which is nrd 1. >> And practically speaking, you will never see one on a property where there's an institutional mortgage. [Unclear. ] It's a lot less properties than you think that could house these. It would have to be someone who owns it outright or has a non-institutional mortgage and isn't within 750 feet of a school. There are still significant limitations and a very small area they would go, even without the distance separation. >> You mentioned you are drafting it to get as many commissioners on board as possible. Then you mentioned 2 and 5 would have use. Are they on board? >> We've spoken to them and two of the five-the ones who aren't supportive, by blacking out their districts. >> [Unclear] Thank you. >> 1, 3, 5. Or 1, 3, 4. Sorry. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Does anybody else have any -up here? I didn't ask if anyone in the public has any comments. You're not here to say anything. Okay. Continuing down, just to see if anybody had other -- >> Yes. >> Please. >> I have a question. The ncd 3, which has an additional restriction requiring the distance, that's a product of community involvement? Okay. >> That district felt they needed an increased distance. >> And to further understand, if the legislation, because it was presented that it couldn't happen in certain districts, that they would be affected or they're doing it under extreme precaution? >> I understand that they're doing it under extreme precaution. Ncd 3 is the Grove. >> Okay. The other question I have is the reservation letter that provides a six-month reservation letter with an extension to a year, is that the same as for alcohol or is it different? >> I assume it's the same. >> Reservations are also six months for alcohol? >> No, for alcohol they're initially three months but with a copy of the lease they'll extend it for a year. >> Can you speak into the. Ic, please? It's being recorded. >> The process is the same. The only difference I noticed is that the initial reservation is for six months instead of three months. You will generally extend it by showing a copy of the lease or progress. It locks the location in so nobody else can encroach on the distance while you're getting a permit. I do a lot of liquor licenses and three months is never enough. It seemed to make sense to extend the initial one a little longer so they don't have to keep asking for extensions. >> Okay, thank you. >> Good? Okay. >> Great. If everybody is done, then I think we're ready for a motion, if there is one. Would anyone like to make a motion with the amendments? >> The amendments, and I guess in the nrd 1 the proposal is to eliminate distance requirements. >> Just between dispensaries. It's still subject to the 750 feet from schools. >> Right. >> Okay. >> [Unclear] Dispensary to dispensary. Roll call please? [Roll call.] >> That is approved by a vote of 7:1. >> I believe we have one discus >> Discussion item 1, pzab text amendment for entitlement reform. >> [Unclear] With Planning. Good evening, board. I am presenting content that introduces to you a program running for the last couple of months that sets you up for the next few months when we bring other several amendments to the board. I will provide some updates for you. I will talk briefly Ambourouet unclear]. Program goals and structure,s ome of the proposed amendments coming, and the schedule for that. I wanted to touch briefly on our revolving warrant waiver exception story that has been going on. A warrant to set out in Miami 21 code as a special permit reread for oposed used not allowed by right. It stipulates the process by which it will go through. There are specific aspects in the code that specify when a warrant is required. There's also a process associated with different uses and project types. We have permits and processes in place here. The more complex the project is, the different processes it goes through with these additional steps -- all set out in Miami 21 zoning code. Before we look at reviewing entitlements, there are notification of the application considered. There's a right of repeal associated with the project and designed-focused consortin. Ion. This is an appeal through different processes through this board. They are very streamlined already. The challenges that come from them is obviously uncertainty for the applicant and their developers. There are additional steps. Occasionally, there can be conflicting criteria and complexity associated with them that requires an attorney or representation in the process. We're trying to balance this program and to be aware of those processes that could be lost. It is worth nothing that, before this program, there was considerable efforts to improve and streamline the process of special entitlement. Two years back, there was a fairly challenging [Unclear] where performance indicators were quite poor. This took considerable time to process. Since [Unclear] Joined the department, she has made considerable effort to bring these timescales down. There's an impressive turnaround with the streamlining of these projets. . We have trained staff, had focus teams on applications. We have had a full complement of staff for some time now. These added up to create a much-improvement entitlement story. In terms of the number of applications, it's been stable the last few years. We have gotten roughly the same number of entitlements. It's expected to drop off in the next year o9r so. At the moment, we maintain roughly the same entitlements of 119. We have seen slightly less exceptions -- on the back of the waiver reform project which encouraged people to go by right. Generally speaking, they maintained those numbers. With performance indicators, in the last year, we have been pretty much hitting all of our performance indicator. . It's been 100% in the last 2 months. It's generally always above 80% to ensure the project is reviewed within 15 working days. We want to do better than that in terms of the number of days. We want to be more aggressive with those timescales. Generally speaking, it has ben a quick time table. Those are the positives associated with land development in recent years. The good thing is there's an improvement characteristic built in now for the planning department. We have brought a lot of amendments to this board and mechanisms to deliver on transit areas, and customer service has improved. Embedded is a belief that we can continually improve through various mechanisms. With that background, we have been asked to look at a program of improvements to entitlements. Looking at the top number -- you know, those entitlements we get the most of. Can we streamline and clarify those processes? We got a mandate to evaluate the entitlement processes. Our goal of the team is to build on those recent achievements and identify opportunities for improvements and recommend potential legislative updates. This looks like a series of short-term and strategic improvements which enhances efficiency in how entitlements are processed citywide. This is our program team with our land development team and we hole range of people across the city. We have added a number of stakeholders to advise the board on specific aspects. Adam is also part of that group. The program scope is set out here. We are looking at all manner of teams. We. Are looking at expediting processes, updating ianthe iew criteria. We are looking at whether we maintain the entitlement or turn it into a by-right process. The way we did that from the waiver reform project was add specific criteria. If it met that criteria,k goes s by right. If it doesn't, it goes by entitlement. It is important to remember that, if the criteria doesn't meet most expectations of neighbors, it should go through the entitlement process. We have tables. And graphics at the back of this. Like I said, we have a number of materials that lead into this project, our performance measurements, success of the waiver reform project, Miami 21 task force, analysis that followed the task force recommendations. We had Miami 21 reports which provided a number of recommendations. We have been monitoring and tracking the evolution of different warrants to see which ones caused the most challenge and complexity for both the applicant and reviewers. We looked at how many appealed or were refused. We looked at suggestions over time. We also looked at other city's best practices. Just to report on the Miami 21 task force -- there were 183 recommendations made in that task force. These were recommendations, not adopted by city commission. It was reported to city commission. We used it as a background report as we bring the amendment forward. So far, we have done around 70 amendments that cover aspects of those recommendations. That's a pretty successful result, I think, from that piece of work. We are still considering the remaining 113. They MAY not all be applicable at this time. This is a good background document. I mentioned the waiver reform project. A number of you were on the board at the time the program went through. It has been highly successful, reduced waivers going through the city, many more by right now You recall there were around 29 waiver opportunities in Miami 21 zoning codes. Around 8 were removed with a by-right process. We built in criterion safeguards. We improved another 11 with clearer language. 11 remained unchanged. We had one new waiver. It was an intensive and successful program jamoat lowed us to focus on things that really matter. This is a timeline we have worked with. In APRIL, we received the mandate from the City Manager to establish this group and work on this program. We have had workshops to work on ideas, test ideas, look at stakeholder engagement. We are now at the point to start bringing amendments to this board. The first round of amendments following this discussion item -- we anticipate them at the beginning of OCTOBER, and then they will be rolled out at the end of the year. I will not go into all the amendments today. We will discuss them forward. These are the amendments we have currently that we're looking at. Personal service wireless facilities, improving language there. It still has state requirements it needs to meet. We are rewriting that aspect of the code and working with those telecommunication serve e providers to update that aspect of our code we. E thought we would need less of these, but we actually Needham e of these in closer proximity. With sports events, we need these in the city. We have the World Cup and other big events coming. We are getting ahead of that rush. Micro-dwelling units are by a warrant process. It's clear where they can and can't happen. We believe that should be by-right. In parallel, we are looking at educational reform to provide space for early learning in Brickell. And other places. This is coming too, those process amendments we. E are looking at docks, piers, boat storage, and simplifying oiutdoor dining. That's a challenge right no we. You have to go through. A warrant process to move a chair or table. Some restaurants are caught by that. We are going to modernize and clean up that language. We are looking at -- by the way, some of this is -- we are trying to make surer eye-like is e. If you have a big restaurant with a lot of outdoor dining, that still comes through the warrant process. A small cafe with 1-2 chairs doesn't seem applicable to go through a warrant process in downtown Brickell. We are also looking at adult daycare in a similar manner depending on the intensity of what is being preparsed. On to Midtown, this is our only tasked area that was carried over from 11000. We know that it is almost built out now. Even the simplest signage application have to go through a costly permit. We want that to go Wintherthur t of the City of Miami. We will update that city to match the Miami 21 zoning coded. Finally, we are looking at the use table to see if those warrants are made by right and how we can marry it with Florida building codes. We know that there is some confusion around the Miami 21 uses and the Florida code and the old 11000. We are going to provide garden e and mapping to help simplify that. Finally, the last thing we are looking at on our current list is the actual warrant criteria itself. Currently, there's a lot of cross-referencing in Miami 21 to other parts of the code. We are going to take otyugh lication and include the key things to look at when allow ant comes in. It should help applicants because it is a check list of tems the department will look at It will help the reviewers be condones. . We will bring them 2 at at ime over the next three months. We are working with zoning and legal to get the drafts in place. Today, I wanted to make sure you are aware of the programs, the efforts the department is doing for outreach. When it starts coming to you, you can understand why these things are coming to you. We have another workshop tomorrow. We will complete the drafts of the initial 2 amendments. We will bring them to you in OCTOBER. We will still work on these for commercial and Midtown and use table. This is that project going forward. I know there's not a lot to bite on there, but I wanted to set the scene for you. Thank you very much. >> Does anybody have questions, or do you want to wait until we start hearing the actual things? >> I will wait until we have legislation. >> I wanted to give everybody the opportunity. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> In terms of [Unclear], this is a ton of information coming before us. My question is -- how are we going to receive the information? What I have seen through sitting In my experience sitting here, we receive an email on Friday, Wednesday we're here and the legislation is there. There's very little time, then a vote is expected. How can we be more useful and better prepared for that day, knowing that all of these meetings are already happening? This is in the making, so this takes a lot of time and effort from a number of people. There's a lot of staff involved. How can we be more useful and part of the process so that we're not surprised? [Unclear. ] >> Yes, absolutely. I appreciate it's intensive and pretty fast. The mandate came with the direction to work quickly. We have staggered it as best we can. I can be honest we you in n saying this is not the only legislation that's coming. We're looking at other things as well. Savannah and I have been working hard to stagger it as we are, providing space for other things to consider as well. We try and publish the agenda as early as we can. I don't know-I can think about it. It MAY be that we can provide a draft of the legislation before as a discussion item. If I can figure out how to do that, I'll do that. We have drafts of things. We generally like to present complete work to you because we want to show our best effort, and you're approving something so it needs to be complete. If there's an opportunity to stagger and brief you in advance I'll look into it. I don't know another way. >> I think a rough draft would be good. [Unclear] Knowing that it will change. >> Sure, and probably what we can do as well as circulate this to the board, and give you the cross references in the code so you can read through the code sections in advance. >> I think what's important is what's being proposed and what's going to change. A vote is going to be required [Unclear.] >> These are real talking points. Understood. >> On the same lines, would it be possible to get some written information provided to us? Instead of the presentation you made tonight and previous ones this evening, you're doing a great job and making the presentation but you're on the screen and reading it, then it's gone. I think it would be beneficial for us to really make a real contribution. Can we get something in writing? >> I'm going to say I'm going to make every best effort to do everything you're asking to do. The timeline we're working on for everything right now is extremely intensive up to NOVEMBER and beyond that. I'll do everything I can. >> Appreciate that. >> Okay, we good? Thank you. >> Move to-I don't know, do we -- >> Just to brief you and prepare you for what's coming- >> I think if everyone's questions are answered for now, that was the last item. Move to adjourn? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. [End of meeting.]