Parks, Recreation and Environmental Protection Advisory Board Regular Meeting

>> Good afternoon. I'd like to call this meeting to order the parks, Recreation, Environmental Protection Board, regular meeting on November 2019 to 2025. What everybody please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag. States of America. 2 of man, one nation. ? >> I'd like to remind everyone of our pledge of conduct. We may disagree, but we will be respectful of one another. We will direct all comments to the issues. We will not engage in any personal attacks. We will also remember to keep our microphones close to our mount so that everybody can hear what you're saying. Would like to call the roll at this point, beginning. Rachel Brodsky from wants. >> Also Jimmy Glover, David Plotkin and I'm Leo Fitz. Joe, thank you. >> I'm prepared to read the draft minutes of the last meeting unless I hear a motion to accept as they were proposed. And we have the second second. A motion by Mister Platt Nick seconded by Mister Watts own favor. Agreed unanimously. Right now I one citizens would flow and fleur please come and share your thoughts. Use your name and whether you are a resident of the city. >> Hello, fluent the 30 year 6.36 year city resident and the president of the onto Park neighborhood. I'm here today speaking for the neighborhood. If I could have the Elmo. time, it? summary? OK, parents? So this past Saturday. The 3 got their first piece of art. So thank you to the city. Thank you to Sierra Combing. Thank you to Mark Hamilton. Thank you, Gerri. Focal. We had a mural that was painted on our life guard building. It was a fun day filled with >> colorful paint. Lots of kids, lots of adults, good music. It was a fun time for all. I'd also like to thank Commissioner Cathy Kelley over Kuz. They're painting Steve Colder. Was there. Kelly Brown, president of C Bowers was there from the Arlington to park as well. So thank you very much for this beautiful piece of art making our pool even more fun place to visit. And thank you for bring some more to D train. We're looking forward to much more. So. Thank you, everybody. Appreciate your time. >> Mister me and the public comment, Sir. Okay. Thank you. >> And a new call on Mister Shaw, a stall to introduce our speakers. >> Thank >> guys. Come several years We look, as we said, we had we got a park district install and it was rescinded from a couple commissions ago. But I had the opportunity to talk to the gentleman that actually started the Boca Raton, each district I had when I got back on this I'm I'm adamant, as I said many times that I do want a park district. I think it's what this city needs. The be fully fund it. When I started looking into this again, I call over to the city and Brown harms is now the director. And she's been there since 2005. I think. >> 2005 with the city, 2013 with the distric, the snake. >> And I invited her over and through Mark and the park. The parks department. Here. We turn around and Shia obliges and this is going to be very informative and it's going to really, really said what I look through this presentation before 9 previous to this. I think this is going to be really interesting and I think you're going to teach us a lot. So being said. Shows yours. >> All over here. All right. >> So I'm Brie and harms on the executive director of the Greater Boebert One Beach and Park District we are special taxing district for an independent special taxing district. A special district is basically a unit of government with a specific purpose and a limited geographical area. Our area encompasses all of the city of Boca Raton, and we also which is about 100,000 residents. And then we include about 25,000 residents in the unincorporated part of the city. So we expand over the city limits there are dependent and independent districts. We are an independent districts. We have our own governing board of elected officials. They can be created by special act to get into that a little bit later on in this presentation about the different types and how they're created and then they exist basically for tailored services to a city. And I'll go through how we were created and why we were created there are 1941 special districts in the state of Florida. They cover us 30 Special axe and over 500 local governments utilize special districts to help fund different services from beaches and parks. 2 water to mosquitoes. Lots of different things that the special districts cover. dependent district is usually controlled by the city or the county that it's in they are funded to general funds. There can be assessments like tax assessments if it goes to referendum. The administration costs are usually shared with the city, very similar to like a CRA type of of governing and they align with the city priorities and independent district has a separate elected board, which is what we have. We levy millage rate. We love the millage on the on the properties that are in our area. We obviously have a lot more capital capacity, know, kind of talk about our budget and how we're able to help the city with their parks as well as the parks that we own in the city. We operate independently. We have our own staff. We have a lot of independent contractors, a very small staff. And then we are dedicated specifically to beaches and parks in the city of vocal tone and the district area. We were actually established 50 years ago. 1974. for a special act of legislation. This was to help the city purchased oceanfront property and the image that you see on this slide is an image that developers back in the early 70's show to residents in this. This is what we're going. Make the city a vocal look like and they panicked and said we don't want that. And so the city council agreed and that's when they this idea of starting a special district to help fund the purchase of that property. And so it worked that passed through legislation. We now have 5 elected commissioners, 3 of those reside within the city limits to those residing are unincorporated area. They serve four-year terms a couple years ago, the Florida Legislature patch passed a 12 year term limit. Now we also have minimal We actually operate right now. The highest we've had is 5 staff. We operate now with 3 staff we own over 400 acres of park and recreation space in the city of Boca. And then we fund a lot of the beaches and parks of the city owns as well. Just getting in the back on of U.S. first and then we get into this. So. This is how we work with the city of Boca. We help purchase land might be. The initial start was Redleaf Park. After that we purchased other parks. Gregory Park is deeded to the city, although we bought and paid for and we actually continue to pay for the operation maintenance. It includes like our our nature of a facility in total. We have that gumbo limbo. It includes the parking areas and and any of the amenities on Redwood Park as well as a golf course that's out there, too. We recently most recent land purchase was North Park, which was it a lap or 2? The golf course in a residential area. We were able to purchase that the city took out a bond. We reimburse the city. The property is now titled to the Beach and Park District what's unique about our legislation, legislation that was passed as that we are not allowed to so lease or convey property. So once we own the property, the residents like it because it will always be beaches and parks will never be sold off or developed into something else. We also help the city with my park, which was a downtown effort that they had back. And there really is when they started their CRA, they purchase what's called Miser parked on the fun of it has been a vocal, but they were having an issue paying off the bonds. So we allowed them to use our Siri payments to pay off that bond. And and they've satisfied that actually 2019. So we completed all the capital projects on the parks that the district owns. We also contribute to capital projects at city parks. So the city will come to us and say we have a maintenance building that we need to build this park and you helped contribute to this. We'll work out an ad in a local agreement. If we want to help fund it and then we will contribute money to some of their capital projects that are not in parks that we own. We also have an inner local agreement to contribute to 50% of the local sheriff, all of our between Arsenal We save up and set aside money for that as well. We contract so all of our parks operated by city employees. We contract the city of Boca Raton to operate the parks that we own. That's why we only have a small staff. So part of our money that we could to the city. And I'm going to talk about that goes towards paying city employees and it pays for all the city employees that work in our parks. We have one park which is North Park that we operate independently of the city. We hired independent contractors to do the maintenance out there, but we will eventually work on an inner local agreement with the city to operate that park as well. And then we also fund the operation maintenance of some of the city one of the Athletic Park City recently built we fund the operation maintenance of read River Park as we and I'll go through the budget a little bit more in the future site. Her. We provide a lot of additional revenue to the city to help pay for the parks and recreation. The city of Boca Bills itself as a city within the park. And it's really thanks to the foundation of the beach and Park district that started that. yes. >> The woman >> yes. All right. So just some highlights from a budget. I do have copies if anybody wants to see our budget, it's also available on my vocal parks dot org. >> We have our budgets listed there. We collect 48 this past year we collected 48.4 million property in property tax revenue so that money will all go towards the beaches and parks that we fund and that we own it. We provide 26.6 million for the operation maintenance of city and district parks. That money goes to the city of Boca Raton for their staff. We pay for some of the overhead of some of the administration stopped to help run our parks as well overhead for this city, leadership and finance departments and things like that. We have given 4.4 million dollars to the city for capital improvement projects just in their parks. So these are not parks that we own. But we've so in a local agreements have dedicated those funds this year to them. We also contribute to this community redevelopment agency that's in the city. So we have to obligated by statute to provide funds to that. So that's 3.1 million that we turn over to the city cheer for that. The city of a curtain has a very low millet rate of 3.6, 4, 7, 6, And that is in part because most of the beaches and parks are paid for by the greater Beach Park district. So we have a one point. 8 millage rate the city would need to have a higher millage rate if they're going make up the 48 million dollars in tax revenue that we collect. So creating a special district in Florida. Not going to say it would be an easy process, but I think it's there's a number of obstacles that would come up some of the basics are basically dividing to divine to find your purpose and the boundaries is going corporate the city. Are you going corporate unincorporated areas like we did? There's a number of things that you would want to establish. You want to choose your type dependent or independent. I'm an independent, goes to special act who are going to have to involve your state legislation and work to get that through the legislative session. Even need to draft or charter and talk about the powers, the governing body, how it would operate and how it would work. There's obviously an approval process where you go an independent process or dependent process, the city or whoever is going to oversee it would need to approve it. And then there's I will as the director of our special district and this changes every year, there's more more legislation that oversees special districts that there is a lot of additional work that you'll need to do. as far as if it's whether the city or independent, there additional reporting budget things that you have to figure did by the state to provide each year. So it's additional work. You want to have separate staff to help manage some of that stuff. Some decision points would be if this was dependent, would it be? What work has to controlled funding if you wanted to have a tax levied, you would need to go to referendum for that. And that's a process that you have to go through I don't know if the appetite would be there for the for the residents. The scale and would be. You could also dedicate this just to a specific part. We're going to levy taxes. We're going provide funding just to a specific Parker. You could do it. You know, citywide. The board composition election terms, ethics, all those things that have to be established and then of course, community buy-in is one of the most important parts. So just a quick look at some options that are that I think would work for the City of Sarasota there's dependent cities but tenants, City district, which is done without you could if you want to let you know you have to do referendum, but this one would not. This one could get done quicker because you wouldn't have to go through the state legislative process. You do that internally within the city. You could do a municipal services taxing unit, but that's involving the county. So they would be involved in that process. There's an independent special district, which is the what we are we're at a different time for special districts the state. It's a slow process because it does involve a lot of work getting this through the state legislative process. And then there's just Eunice services benefit unit, which is a county ordinance. There's no assessment. So it's just funds that are provided specifically for the purpose that you establish and you would need county by and for that as well. There's some resources out there that you may want to check out. There's obviously Florida statute that oversee special districts. There's a program with the Florida Deo and then of course, the Florida Association special districts. There's a wealth of information about all the different special districts out there certainly a lot of help. To learn more about all the different types of districts. We are a very unique district. I asked our our attorneys is there another one like us in this 1009 41 because they can't find it. It's very hard to find one specifically established like the beach and Park district was specifically for beaches and parks and city and including some residents outside of the city. So we're a little bit unique, but certainly. Something that you all could look at as an opportunity to help your parks, your beaches. And then I'm happy to take any questions. Okay on and to look >> What one we would want to do and again, our parks directors standing in the back there, Jerry fall Gulf my thinking is that it would be what would what your opinion of doing it just as a as the city? Not. I mean, we wouldn't do anything with the county and it would be. One of the issues that they had back in the day was would with this board be the board that would oversee it and make the recommendations to the city or we're going the other route. You would have an independent. Governing body. >> So if it was city controlled, you have a point that the city could. It could be the city council or they could appoint the people that are going around that board. It would have to be established when you decide your charter and how that works. So you can choose those 2 different options. The reason why I thought that was the best option just to be completely transparent. There's a lot of legislation every year that is making it more and more difficult for special districts to get established through the legislative process. And so if you want to skip that part and and leave this up to residents to vote on a referendum and have this go through the city process. I would be your best. The quickest option, I guess. And >> again, with the quickest man is not always the past. But right thing is. The way that I've side when I was first started to try to do this was that, you let the commission city Commission have the oversight and then have park rec board as the board that would make recommendations to. The city commission is to keep it very local. Yes, not could certainly be established in your charter. >> You you all can work together to define those terms, I guess, involving City Council in a conversation too. As part of the process, too. >> Several So you're independent because you cover territory outside of the city itself. Yes, and when you listen to the 4 options, the second one that you said funding might be quicker through the county approach. Certain within them. >> Oh, yeah. For the municipal services taxing, you know, that involves the county so the county would have to you have to work with the county to establish that. And then they could provide funding each year to that dependent district and they would have the oversight on it. >> I think we've got a couple situations where feel like funding is going to the county, but it's not necessarily coming back to the city. So that's probably an a the one thing on the dependent where the admin costs has to be shared with the city. Heard directly at some it's almost like we have to build back for any support services that currently the city provides the parks department. That's exactly how to work. Yes, talk a little bit about the logistics of that. The Senate actually increase costs for. >> I think it's how it's managed. I mean, I can only speak for us as an independent district. We have a very low are. General government is 3.3 million each year out of this year was 105 million dollar budget. So we had a very small percentage that went to R. In-house staff that works for the that's 3.0. 1, 5 includes all of our property insurance as well. That was the big some of that. That's the smallest portion is really it's under 300,000 for the staff that we have. It depends on how many staff you need involved in how broad this is, how much work goes into it. You definitely want to dedicated person to help navigate all the statutes and regulations that you need to comply with each year. I think that would be important have a director that oversees all that. And then they could use support staff and I guess track of each year and see if there's ways to manage it differently. >> Speaking for one that I think general consensus is a goal here is to establish a recurring revenue base that allows us to start working more aggressively toward the master plan in parks and perhaps even beyond that. So this seems like a great approach, but add on additional admin costs doing it. The concept least mom on is to establish a district in let the Parks department to implement. The activity. But whether we rely on the staff of the city where we have to hire some people to handle the district that would have to be determined, I guess. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Appreciate you taking the time to come today. >> Thank you for having me. And I've got a question. So in terms of your budgeting, how do you guys accommodate for a hurricane when there's you have your budget in place. You've got your projects in place. But when inevitably natural disaster does happen and how does that get accommodated for? So we use the city for our operations so they they secure our parks and things like that. If there was a catastrophic loss, we use Florida League of Cities for Insurance. We try to keep reserves funds reeser funds in place so that if there's something that we need to fix immediately after hurricane, we have funds in place for that. We always keep 2 million in operating reserve and we always have a compromise or fun for additional projects that happened throughout the year. And the question, yes, how has this been received by >> Your city constituents? It comes and >> Now we mean, I some of them bragging here. But the district you see, you can see a different different some parks that are funded by the beach and Park District and the parks that are funded by the city and cities have a lot more to pay for. They have police and fire and utilities and infrastructure in streets and all these things. So recreation is always the last thing to get the funding. Where is our priorities, parks and rec. So if we're funding a park it's our sole focus. And that's our board. So the people of our parks and they love the things that we build and accomplished. This past year. We opened up 18 covered pickleball courts. A brand completely accessible playground traffic garden with a number of the projects this year we're able to get on because we have the special the residents like what we do, the very supportive of the things we do and we're proud of what we do. Obviously, I'm very proud of him bragging, it's a it's well received. Did you guys pick and choose the parks in the city are like once you're in that particular district? >> Every everything in that district, you guys control. >> So no, actually, we purchased properties along the way. So we initially started for the red repurchase, which when we want to purchase that property in the the city retained on our ships. If you look that property up the city's the owner, but we fund all the operation maintenance and as the years went by another property became available is going to be a mall. And the beach and Park District said could be a beautiful park. So we bought that park and that's no sugar. Sand parking lots 132 acres. 47 of it is preserved. The rest of it's built out and along the way, we just like in 20 a 2018, we purchased this golf course. It's 214 acres and we're developing. That is a park as we speak actually work on that and the drive up here so over the course of time, we have purchased additional properties that the city would not have the revenue to get to that. And then so it seems, though. But you guys have a very good relationship with I guess your city commissioners like has there been any pushback with them? I mean, what? >> What kind of environment should we kind of have here to have that kind of relationship that you have. >> With Anderson on us that we had some tumultuous years, but we're in a very good place with our city council. And we together closely even during the years where our boards, you know, you have a city council and you have an unelected board of commissioners for for my board. They didn't always see eye to eye on the projects that needed to get done. But over the years, they've always put the best interest of the residents. First. And I think that's been important in establishing a local agreements along the way. So have things always been great with the 2 different boards working together, not gonna lie and say yes, no, they haven't been. But are they? Working out really well now? Yes. So it's just a matter of how it's managed. And making sure your boards talking to their boards independently, not as groups that would violate sunshine all but I'm just working together to make sure everybody is staying on the same page with the things that need to get done for residents. >> Because just sounds a cause. You're independent. You guys are public. Going forward with a lot of That was it more of a control issue of like, hey, you guys, we don't have any say you guys are moving forward on this thing. We want to have a little bit more say in what's going on. Maybe that would push back was coming. >> Yeah, there was other things involved in it, too. sometimes it's that I will say no. We work closely with the recreation services and we we all are trying to work together. There's only so much land that you can build for parks and recreation. So if you want to serve the same residents, you got to stay on the same page and work together because if you have more pickleball courts than you need and not enough of, you know, skate parks. That's an issue. So we try to work together to make sure we're duplicating services are duplicating projects in spending money where we don't need to spend money and allocating funds towards things that need to get on for all the the focus has always been the residents sometimes things have got in the way of that. But as far as staff goes, we've always kept it. I'm working through the process. Trying to answer that delicately. >> But again, that the concept I have in my that wouldn't necessarily be an we'd all basically be on the same team comes back to more revenue issue for us that establish an independent that the city controls. But then we make sure that there's dedicated funding on a regular basis. So that we can then talk about what's the best priority for the uses fonterra others and worry about are we talking about the same going forward? >> Certainly independent district would have you know, we have residents that are outside of the city to so we have to represent all those sometimes that gets in the way. If you are just representing just are city residents. That makes it a little easier as well. >> In terms of your there's certain level that you have to keeping reserves. I think you said 20 million, generally what percent of your revenues are you trying to put toward reserves each year? >> Each year we definitely set aside operation to mind all operating fund. We it really varies year to year based on what projects we have. But we always try to keep the capital reserve of about 4 million, 2 million of operating reserve in was a hurricane. We needed to do a lot more in the community those are the kind of goals we set. most of our funds are allocated to projects each year. We don't always get that like they're like with the North Park project that the golf course that is something that we have allocated funds for each year until we got to the point we can start constructing at this year. So you're not sitting excuse me. You're not sitting on major reserve know right now. No. >> I think that's important that people know that, you know, we keep all of our money allocated towards the projects that we have. We've you made the statement that you own the parks. Yes. That that kind of puzzles me because we recently did a golf here and a key part of the pushing it over the line was to get a conservation foundation that would in the end. If everything blew up would would be what would own the property. How how do you avoid that? >> We haven't had that issue. We've gone to the process of purchasing properties when we purchased properties like the original Red Reef was fully supportive of the residents because they would rather have it as a beach and a park. Then I'm a huge development that looks Fort Lauderdale Sugar. Sand Park was going to always stepped in and purchased that property and then same thing with North Park. It was going to be more condos and townhomes and the residents fully supported this purchase, the property. So we've never had a lot of pushback from residents to purchase property. >> I'm not sure was exactly pushed back. I think it was more of a sense of assurance that. If this foolish plan that some of us proposed for the golf course. Finally one down the toilet that we would end up with the condos >> the thing about us in our legislation is that we are we cannot sell or lease our property. So once we own property, we cannot convey it. And our part of our legislation also is that we're focused on parks and recreation. So we own a property. It's always going to be parks recreation, whether it's green space that's never developed or it becomes a full-blown park with playgrounds and stuff. So when we purchased property residents feel confident and they can be confident that it will not be condos or townhomes or anything like that. So that's a unique part of our enabling legislation that was written in. To make sure that didn't happen. also tree. But that's what we do of your independence status. Now, yes, if we went dependent route. >> mean, we be purchasing. Parks like that. We will be doing know right now the city would on them. >> I might my goal with one. This was. To I mean, I'm I'm leaning toward dependent situation just because of the fact that commission don't like to give power away and to make it palatable for everybody you know, keep it in the commission's hands and use this board as the for lack of a better term, the governing board that we make recommendations to the city commission and the Parks Department. Basically is funded in perpetuity. With whatever they decide on what we could get. You know, approved. And then they always have money because as you said, and my my businesses playgrounds and the first thing that they cut is the parks. We we have a world-class city as well as you and we need world-class parks and every neighborhood needs to needs one or 2 good park Senate. We have the Bay Front. Conservancy. That's a great thing. I supported that I everything but again, that's the city has very little say about it. And I just think a great city are for the future is you have to have good parks, but you've got to have money to. Agreed on a big fan of parks. You know. Have you guys have ever had any problem raising money? >> For your for your district is most of our money comes from millage. So we have not had any issues are never an issue right now. >> It is. It is. It set. Is the millage set each year. set a new budget. >> What's the evolution of the military? unlike in conjunction with Lucian of the population growth in Boca. >> So we've got our military the same for the last 4 years. Previous to that it point '05, 1, point '05. And then in prior years we didn't roll back rates and things like Certainly trying to stay with the times. But we haven't millage recently, even the population and obviously the growth. I think the growth is everywhere in Florida. So we Vick spent a lot of growth in bocce. New developments, but that's also help does not need to raise millage because we have more continue. Construction coming in. And so that's helped to fund stay there without having to raise the military. >> There are any issues or challenges that arose with respect to the introduction of the district with respect to citizens having to pay the millage. >> In 1974, they were so happy that they that it was happening. It was fully supported. So that was a good thing. Yes. >> And then the line item for interest on the budget. Yes, there's that. Come from >> we have money savings accounts. So we put most of our red most of our like we have, for example, major capital Projects Reserve. That's for 2 different projects. We're working on with the city. We have 20 million set aside. We keep all that money in this money market account and we make interest on it each year. So hoping the rates stay good. We kind of guests on that a little bit each year, but it's been pretty close. >> And I that just for everybody here when I talk to the gentleman that was before Brianne. When we they came over, Nathan had they had like 25 million dollars in there. And I think matter that 49 Million. And that goes a long way to say how successful it's been for you guys. >> Okay is growing. So it's definitely a lot us are so anyone else. >> On behalf of the board do want to thank you for taking your time and you know, we thank you guys for having me. Thank you very much. >> Because my contact info Karl has its. If you guys have any questions along the way, have for child. >> Thank you very much. Thank you very much. what is the what is the opinion of the board? we want to start looking at going forward with this are. Again, with or whatever that would be interested in moving down the road with this. We start with David your feelings 100%. Yeah, I think we definitely should move forward we need to do. >> I'll go with Mark and Jerry. We'll see what we can do in. Let's get I like to get this moving forward. I like that. See if we can go to the commission and now we start talking to the commissioners and everybody, if we can get this set Okay with you, to make a motion or actually, we should have a completely in favor of it. Car, would you like to me? I'd like to make a motion that we start to look into possibly forming this park with the funding and I guess it would be determination. But as a dependent and in the Fort. I make that motion. there a second? so Mister just all made the motion. Mister Plotkin is second. Is there discussion? Any discussion? Okay, then all in favor they think. We probably need a roll call. So Mister Brodsky. Mister Glover. I Mister Plotkin. Mister Shaath still, I Mister Watts is. And Fitzgerald is in favor. Also passes unanimously. Thank you, everyone. Thank you. A new business speed. The Bobby Club. Bobby Jones clubhouse presentation. From the city staff. Good afternoon, everyone. wonder Pazos parks, recreation for the record. >> So on December first, we're going to go and couple of options to the city commission on the new or proposed Bobby Jones clubhouse. And so we put together a presentation that would like to share with you and go over some of those All right. So just as a little bit of history, the project in January of 20 to the city commission approved the agreement with with John Swift. For the clubhouse, the cart storage Gillespie building in the parking lots. In May of 23 we went back to City Commission and presented the 2 story on Sept and we're giving direction to. Construct. A clubhouse are designed finish the design. The clubhouse between 7 and a half to 9 Million. In in September. We came back to City Commission. For the site plan approval and we are about 60% complete. With the design. And the motion was to continue the. The site plan approval until we're finished with with the design. By way of history. This is just sort the They were numerous public input Meetings and the direction given was to Florida. To a clubhouse up in the upper left-hand corner. You see there, the original Gillespie clubhouse. And so the idea was to to mimic that look, federal Florida look. And so this is what would the consultants and contractor came up with in terms of the look. This is just a 2 concept. Couple more slides. The first floor layout on the left is would be your your pro shop first floor pro shop on the right. Get him to card storage. And then on the second story of this design, the left was the offices and to the right would be a restaurant with indoor outdoor seating capacity roughly around 200 to 20. This two-storey design in September. We were at 60% construction plans and we were about 9.5 million, which included a 6% contingency. So we were within budget. Fast forward to October this Those plans are now 100% complete. The cost, though, is 11.2 million, including a 6% contingency. And site plan has is still pending city commission approval and that that will be December. 1st. The two-storey 11.2 million dollar funding strategy. Is as follows that 10 million penny sales tax. And 1.2 million that's remaining from the Bobby Jones Construction Fund. Of the We would have to relocate 4.5 million from the Bob Jones Nature Park. And by way of there is a 5 year plan that was funded for 1 million dollars a year. We would keep about 100,000 a for the Nature Park 900,000 would. More to the clubhouse. And then. Balance would be 5.5 from future park Anything from playgrounds are because even those Kuntz Park improvements. For a total 11.2. The funding sources that we have our we have 3 million cash on hand. Again, 1.2 from the Bobby Jones construction proceeds and the first 2 years of the nature Cations the 900,000. That leaves a point million for debt issuance. And again, that would be funded from Jones Nature Park in Parks. This is a slide that shows a financing Once we get determination, what we will end up doing, our finance department will tighten up those numbers, but essentially is a sort of a funding strategy, a seven-year period with an annual payment of one point 3, 70 Million. We're starting to get million and 9.8 million total cost debt. So you can see the difference between we're borrowing and what the total cost timeline for the 2 as of today is would we would have to final pricing in permitting once we get approval from City Commission. That's about a 3 month process. We would have to go back for the amendment to the actual price John Swift. And then about a 13 month construction timeline. So we're about 17 months out on to to story. So than other option is a one story option. This is a very rendering. But nevertheless, it it would kind of show you what we would be looking at in one story designed we could certainly designed the look of this to have the same. Will Florida look? Layout would be something similar to this. And again, it has not been designed. So this is just conceptual, but you have the pro shop on the on the left side with the dining area. And then a smaller cart storage on the right with the breezeway. I'm in the middle. Outdoor seating dining capacity, 60, 70, possibly more depending on outdoor seating. If you want to, you have additional outdoor seating again being on the first floor that makes it a little easier. One story, design option. We would have to go through design and construction. So the longer time frame. Reduce space in the restaurant, golf shop and offices. We would have to go back through Development Review Committee planning board and back to City Commission for site plan approval. This cost estimate today's about 7.2 million, including a 6% contingency and including the design required to go and redesign. The funding strategy here very But much you don't need from penny sales tax. So you have 6 million paying sales tax. 1.2, Bobby Jones Construction Fund for Total 7.2. We would still. Transfer over 4.5 million from the nature park. But a lot lesser amount from parks and recreations future improvements. 1.5 million. One Again, the the options here are we have 3 million cash on hand. 1.2 remaining first 2 years of the penny. From Bob Jones. Nature Park. And then the debt issuance. Here is 4.2. Much smaller. The. The financing here is a little difference of 5 year. Again, annual payment. 933,000. With a total of 4.8 million. So you can see the 4.0. 2, 4 point is a little less in terms of. I'm the one story designed though we would have to go through final Maybe 8 months site plan approval with DRC Planning Board City Commission. Final pricing in permitting 3 months contract approval. One month intro, 12 months for construction. So we're looking at about 29 months apartment a year extra. On this scenario. We had Indigo golf course. Management company do one year pro forma. And this is this includes the golf course and the clubhouse. But you can see that the 2 story, gross revenue is a little bit more than a one story. However, the expenses on the 2 story or are more than the one story. And so you get real net revenue. A better net revenue with a one story. And you do with a 2 story. And again, this encompasses both golf operations and the clubhouse. Come houses usually aren't moneymakers. This is a kind of a presentation recap. So you can kind of get, you know, feel for for the 2 options. Again, debt issuance a point to or says 4.2, 7, 5 years financing, annual payments. And so forth. And so what we're recommending is that we go back and redesigned this as a one story clubhouse. And the rationale is. The 5 million dollars savings. And the estimated. Additional revenue that the 2 story would not provide. And so we're looking for a Your input, your recommendation today. I can go back to the previous slide. Kind of leave this up for you. Maybe for discussion. Thank you, John. First question as Indigo indicated in the preference. They have they given the one story approval. The two-storey, the think that would work better. Any questions. Just a I'm I'm okay right for one story the >> what I go around and would clubhouses and my my business and career has been dealing with golf course communities and stuff. And it's it always seems that the drag on the Courser, the profitability of it is the with the. >> Banquet hall banquet rooms and stuff like that. And they never just seem to make any money. So I I don't even. >> To me, it's a no-brainer that we go for the one story. A small. A small little restaurant snack shop and then turn around and a small pro shop. I think that's the best way to go. And you're paying it off in 5 years. >> 2 thought one great example of why we need to So taking 4 and a half million from the development of the nature park. Short term, right? That's >> We will have leftover moneys to a lot of things in the nature park. There's naming opportunities as well that it's boring. But yes, the end. >> resume in based on the level of detail. The one story option came up fairly recently. Seems like a little less did was it it was always an You know, you know, during. couple years ago, the city commission, you know, cited the 2 story was something they do We're in different financial times today than we were back then after 2 or 3 storm. So. >> I think bears looking into now with the current financial situation. >> Good Prep or Jerry focal. So really and truly what one stated was pretty pretty much through my direction. start out with burn 20 million dollars in the portion of that was supposed to go towards a modest clubhouse. So as opposed to improve the golf course and then 2 and a half 1 million, 3 million supposed to go to some clubhouse we brought that to the They want to go in a different We've done that. So obviously the through the storms and things of that nature, things have changed. So my direction to my team was to get me some information. One story feel like as a parks and recreation director, I need to make sure that we're being fiscally responsible and we're presenting that to the commission. So that's kind of my direction to do that. So they went and they got done the homework. It is about 5 million dollars. Less than 2 story, $200,000 in net revenue so at least they have that option. You can still choose the 2 story and will do what they want to do. But I want to at least give them an for something a little bit more financially feasible and common sense to see did right. >> In Newton samples in town were clubhouses, drag down other sports operations, if you will. So. No-brainer, and you. Correct. So it doesn't matter. The one story to story is far is the revenues go. >> They do not make money. It is the golf course. The pro shop, things of that nature that cover those net losses. So that's the reason why modest we can have it barricaded similar to the 2 story. Could be really nice. building. But I just like I said, I want to at least offer that up to the commission to decide. >> In terms of the single story versus the 2 story. If that is the direction they do want to go to, is there a way of designing the one story now? So there is a phase 2 in the future in terms of like where it's allocated on the physical plot of land so that if there's an expansion in the future, we could do something like that. >> Up try to understand what you're. >> So if you go, if you pair down to the single story, you're dropping 100 plus seats. If in the future that that seems like something we would like to accomplish in to add on, could we phase 2? To get closer to the 2 story? At some point, I would be difficult to add a second story >> For special events, especially during the winter outdoor seating are certainly an option to do that in those, you know, outliers would be certainly doable. We can expand. So the patio area for the one story we can expand. I mean, so discuss this with indigo. Their capacity really is about 100 that they like to maybe get to. But that's about it. >> Spar spacing go so we can expand to that to that level. So that's an opportunity there. >> Are there. So again, if you're adding all the seats in, everyone is coming, there are additional costs like parking and we would need to look into to accommodate club house like this. Where is it just to serve the current? >> Patrons, would we currently have a temporary there? That's about 50. So it wouldn't be obviously much more than that. So it company day and the parking that's been designed all ready for the golf course. Included parking for clubhouse. So that's that overflow parking. Is there. It's had a question as far as what they cart storage going One story to a 2 story, does that compromise the cart storage area? We would have to design the one story, but it there might be a little bit of a compromise. I don't know how but again, that's yet to be designed. We could certainly, you know, accommodate that. In just really What one was talking about earlier we were able to meet with Ms Creasy thing. with big who has the conservation easement over the entire property? Her board approved us to move forward fundraising naming rights agreement. So that will be coming to the commission. I believe January. The 20th very excited that were able to do that. Obviously it took a little longer than week. We had hope in her board kind of moved on to other We revisit that she was gracious enough have that meeting. And so it's been finalized right now. And then we're going to put on like I January, the 20th. So. >> I've got to say, you know, when you say a clubhouse can make money. I'm reminded that the golf course wasn't going to make money, but the golf with the clubhouse can make money. But it's got to be small. And, you know, square footage will kill you in the end. And that's what kills restaurants. And, you know, and of course, what my favorite tour of the facility now is to go just a mile down the road to the medals and say, look at this magnificent clubhouse that they have that, you know, he's now shuttered in is going to have to be scraped apparently from my understanding you know, one and I I'd also like to say it may be appealing to say, oh, you know, you're working out of a double wide now, you know, why not keep doing that? You know, just so bubble gum and stuff like that. You know, but my feeling is that. Bobby Jones has become a world class. Municipal golf course. And you know, it's something that that the city should be extremely proud of. I know. I certainly am. And, you know, I think that it deserves. It requires a functioning clubhouse where, you know, you can get hamburger or hot dog and beer. And, you know, and just the it's not a place you want to take your daughter to get married in. It's, you know, it's it's not a place to have the funerals or anything like that. It's just, you know, it's it's a golf operation. And feeding golfers and feeding a couple of the locals. You know, that come and also I am firmly in favor and I everyone will agree with me that the one story is the only option that should be considered at this point. Mister Fitzgerald, you're absolutely correct. And maybe misspoke. You can make money. It's just not enough to cover their expenditures. >> And that's where I was that. >> One last This doesn't address any of the maintenance issues we've heard about in terms of the maintenance shed. Doesn't. The no, no, that's okay. So that's a separate issues that deal with another time. Okay. Like make a motion that to help you out a little bit with this. perfect. Thank you. >> Recommendation that the board recommends denial of two-storey site plan. And direct staff to move forward with the design and construction of a one story clubhouse. We're time. I'm out. Thank you. there a second? >> OK? So we have a motion by Mister Watts, a second by Mister Glover discussion. And then I think it's a no-brainer to go with one store. That's going to in favor of that. And, you know, the discussion. OK, then let's do a roll call on that. Mister Brodsky. I in favor >> Unfair of air. That denial, correct? Mister Glover in favor. >> Mister Mister Plotkin. In favor. Mister Shots, though. Yes, Mister Watts and Fitzgerald is in favor. Mister new Business E the Monthly parks review. >> and the member Brodsky. Okay. A new perspective over here yes. This is just good to go. All right. Ahead. >> Well, I have reviewed several parks this month. >> Most of them are. Towards mode and through there. So. I've just put up a map listing all of the parks. I'm I'm I every park. I'm just gonna tell you. I'm gonna start with this one. The Black star is where we currently are and all the other colored. Are all the other parks we're going to go through. So I'm starting all the way out City, Ohio and also to talk the Blue Dot. That's Ken Thompson Park. So that's where it is in relation to us. That's stuff overview of what it does look like from satellites. You can see it's quite large. 2 different league loops there. Just for fun I saw was wrecking. It was dedicated to an old city manager from 1950, to 1988. Ken Thompson. I will speak louder. So this is one of the views. Beautiful, big, open space conceive got ocean views. Lots of driveways grassy areas. There's if you can see the back, picnic tables, areas for people to walk around dogs. It's well kept up. You can see the grasses clean, very visible from every like from a distance. This area was seems like it was impacted by the hurricane. A fair amount. So when you get closer up, there's slight pulls, kind of just basic deferred maintenance. I'm not really severe, but as the parks are working through it you can see right up along the coastline. There is definitely some damage. There are some peers there. Railings that need to be replaced for the Parks Department is aware of all working through it. Peers. Parking that will miss will be report prepared. Just getting developing some potholes lines kind of difficult to see at this point. I was the only one there at that. Them. So moving again that that was, guess, on the one side, this is back towards the very back of the island. Again, lots of sidewalks, lots of picnic areas you can see in the distance. There's playgrounds for kids. Here's another another one of the little pockets for older children with playgrounds and a large area to run around. Dogs, children. Anybody. There's also a walking path. happened to be their young family found it seems like a great way to entertain a child for a significant period of And again on the sidewalks looks like parks is Parks and departments. Well aware of some naturally occurring deferred maintenance sidewalks, get elevated. There are working through all this. The flagged it to be addressed. Again, parking lots potholes develop. See, there's more parks and more cars. Part here. This was really hit hard by the hurricane. So things are leaning and where trees have been removed. But overall. Normal level of maintenance that is. Expected of the park and it looks like they're already working their way through it. So now, if you come a little bit closer to the mainland, the red DOT. Not as Sarasota Bay Walk. This is one that honestly, I have never been to. You know, I've been to Ken Thompson multiple times. You drive right past it. It's right before you hit memory. And so if you haven't been there. As you can see, that's the parking area. And if you walk all the way through, there's a little peer, the very end. Beautiful little area to enjoy. Signage there. That shows you little walking path. You can get all the way through. Signs little wildlife. And I happen to see. This is all the way the end. Over the water. So that's the picture of the pass themselves. On the right hand side. You can see there's newer pathways walking trails in the arm Rios have been in updated on the left-hand side. It's the older area. There are some planks that are lifting up on that corners. If you're walking in the middle, not impacted, if you're 2 people were passing, it could see how that could be a hazard. My assumption is parks and Rec says well of this and he's working their way through, which is why part of it is done. The rest of it will be done soon after nothing. Major, just flag for the future. You heard to see. But minimal, minimal trash as you're walking along the mangroves again, there's always going to be something I was looking through the trees. As you can see, I'm picking this up, but it's fairly minimal. So teams doing a great job of keeping everything clean. Working backwards towards the city. So now we're looking at for Key Park. So if the yellow dot. Again, that's overview of every of he actually is. So this is just on the south side of the John Ringling Causeway. Really popular for fishing, biking, walking dogs. It's constant motion over there. There is new launch. On the left-hand side. There's. Areas to hold news and to paddleboard seeing wash everything off picnic tables. This is fun. I know that's the local in town. The reef. So there is. Constant, you maintenance of the shoreline. That's that's a local company that takes care of that. You can walk all the way underneath the bridge, get to the other side is closed and personally for hurricane maintenance. There's a nice little area on the other side for just grassy area. I can't endorse it as we took family photos there one year. It's beautiful. In the left-hand side. You can see that there's new paved area and older paved area again, normal maintenance, the right hand side. Trees lift up asphalt. It's a constant issue for parks and rec and it's minimal at this point. No trash anywhere. And even with that, there's actually an of this side that's closest to say, Norman says being blocked off. Now I'm assuming it looks like the parking it's getting renovated so cars cannot go to that side. Standing there for 15 minutes. People are walking all over there and passed it. So it's still accessible. Just not the car. And there's still plenty of parking for everybody. Again, most people come over the bridge. So this is the world and park. So this is just on the other side of the bridge. This is the green dot. Getting closer to the city. satellite. This is what it normally looks like. I grab this online only because as of right now it's temporarily closed. So this is as close as I can possibly get to it. Going back again. You can see the playgrounds. I know personally having a small child. I have going here. I know friends meet up with it. It is wonderful little park, especially not having to go all the way over the bridge. If you're bridge, if your city resident and I know there working her to get it back up and running. So unfortunately, there's nothing to see at this point. >> You didn't break and enters than I did not. They said to not go any Okay. Coming back onto the mainland. I'm going to the orange dots right in front of the why behind the Bayfront Park event. This is where it's located really on the corner of main and Gulfstream. The cute little area probably driven past. Walked past him multiple times area dedicated to rep from Hemel for his service during World War. One. I believe mistake that cute little amphitheater gathering space. I know I've in their walk past it for. All right. There are festivals are happening or protests it's a very clean area. Landscaping is under control. No trees are blocking anything. Even with all of those steps, nothing is out of Team is doing a really great job of maintaining it again. Little to no trash found everywhere, which is fantastic. Gorgeous. Is accessible through sidewalks. So outside the park. But again, normal maintenance to maintained and make sure there's no trip hazards with things. Robarts Morial Park. So if you see on the right hand side of the Black star. There's a purple and red. This is actually a red when these 2 are right next to each other. This is on the corner of Ringling and links. See, they're just to the bottom of where that red dot is. You can kind of see people, ponder fountain. That's there. The website describes as a passive park. Just a place to come and sit and enjoy some quiet. A little fountain which n really excited to see an actual founding usually found this turn landscaping that this one is being maintained very well. Very clean. Happened to stop by when there was one of the employees working on it. Quiet little area you know, there are some signs there. >> There are a little bit hidden. >> Maybe could use a clean to make sure it sparkles a little bit further. You can see it behind some bushes. Sitting area is fully Be it could deserve a paint job at some point, but doesn't. Take away from sitting down and enjoy the ambiance. That's there. And then just behind that, the purple dot that you see, it's on the corner of Main Street and links with the top. We were just at the bottom of that corner and we're at the top of that corner. Now. Missus links Plaza. So this this scenario. this is where the first golf course. Was created in 19. 0, 5, Joe the less P. Cute sitting little area that used to be a I remember when I was a kid, it worked and now it does not. >> It was very clean. I happen to manage buildings that are very near these 2 areas. Talk to my staff and just said, how's everything going? >> And they have no nothing to reply back. Whenever there's an issue. They call they put in a work order city takes care of it. So we appreciate everything that the city doesn't parks and rec. That's the statue of B. I know he didn't have a golf club for a number of years. >> the golf has reappeared. Haha his though thing Leon, put just some little bit of local history or anything out enjoying sandwich in the middle of the day. >> All the parks, but I was looking at. >> Question for markets. Have we made the decision not to operate that Fountain? That's correct. >> It hasn't been operational for years. >> Yeah, that's benefits. Decommissioned. ? The district might help. ? >> And you know, those those parks out to Ken Thompson, you know, and Bertie. That we're just waiting for the hurricane You know, the that though they have been their way worst. Take my word for great immediately after the storms. you know, they are just waiting for some federal funds that have been promised and just not yet delivered. They don't detract from. >> Accessing the park at all. >> But I point not a district idea since we're of the same on there. But as the town grows and that last one is a perfect example. There was disaster and links across the street. that is actually become very active over the last year to and as we have the opportunities to have these passive it just it adds quite a bit to lifestyle of the area. And so and I think it's incumbent upon us to make them all look can operate as their given the money. Thank you for doing that. Comments. Questions. Okay. Thanks very much. And want to thank ritual because she went and took these pictures are so Do you want to speak because they're really kind of mentioned, whoa. >> It was you like you really enjoy this right? >> I guess. It enjoyed Yes, of course. More. My background is property management. So what you're seeing, Impala ties, Mark, but my I naturally goes towards the things that need to be fixed or it could be a liability. The trip hazards, you know, the the accessibility, you know, you didn't see a lot of overview photos and I up for that, there are some of those photos. It's hard to see just because the Ken Thompson so large, you can't do it. Justice. But again, there was basically no trash everywhere, which is impressive. Given the expansive area that we're showing, especially even downtown. trip hazards are going to happen, say regular occurrence. So to see that naturally occurring ones and they're fairly minimal, which is something they're going to be handling any way there was nothing out of the ordinary to me that caught my eye. Given what I do. It was impressive. >> With the parks themselves or are beautiful. You know the I know was before your time, but some of us here recall a little discussion ab