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will be muted for a little bit here. But thank with. He may or may not >> look at. There's one. >> You to call it that for first opened the meeting, I'll say some announcements in U.S. to do it. Okay. Good morning. Way. >> Morning morning >> Morning There hadn't seen him. Okay. Good morning. It. What on it? 9, 2, that. >> 23 am. This is the downtown improvement district special meeting sorry, it is August 6. It is the downtown improvement district special of the board of directors is 10, 23, AM. Please note that the chair and vice chair are joining the meeting via zoom. We have a in person. At this time. I would ask that the 3 board in person please elect somebody to chair the meeting. We like to Yeah, right. and then with that, I'm running. You take over. All right. >> It is 10, 18. On Thursday. >> Call to like to just start with the Pledge of Allegiance. Pledge to the flag United question one nation under God, indivisible, with and justice for all. Can start with the pledge of conduct. may disagree, but we will be respectful to one another. We will direct all comments issues. We have approval of minutes. >> First of changes to the order is the day we do have one change of the order of the day one of the presenters for the mobile food truck, which is under presentations and reports is going to be delayed. So we're just going to push that item to later in. The gender will go back to it. All right. >> Public input, not agenda item. Citizens may address the board topics, not on the agenda. Questions and answers are not permitted by the board during the period the request to speak for must be submitted to staff prior to speaking 3 minute time limit per speaker and 15 minutes maximum time for all public input meeting. Citizen should have concerns regarding topics agenda. They must wait until the end of the presentation. Complete a request to speak form and that provide the input of set topic at which time the board or addressed the citizens concerns. >> If we could just go back in, if I could get the approval of the June second minutes. >> I'm so I have a comment. Sure. It's not proven or disproved that we had a discussion about the downtown light poles way for Britain and America are cut or concerns. >> About keeping up with the maintenance and I don't remember where it ended up. Frankly, but I thought maybe we could just agree to kind of go back there and said that the set up for every couple years like in your your calendar, you, Mister calendar. So we won't forget it. Simple as that. Okay. Yeah. And actually it's. >> Part of our discussion today. Okay. I think we could tie that to a woman. Perfect right. Somebody moved. I'll second. >> I It. Thank you. Most improved. >> And I do have one request the card. >> Saundra young. >> Okay. If you could just make sure that you state your name for the record. Yes, You to have 3 minutes. >> Great. Good morning. I'm Young. For the record. I am a board member of disco. I am here too. Good morning. Eileen. I heard you're bringing coffee I am here to follow up on them. A 5th did board meeting where David Low had a discussion around the need or potential need for us to understand got gaps in the retail space of downtown Sarasota. So with that, we discuss sort of kicked around an idea and said, what can we do? You know, we're under somebody's budget constraints currently. So what could we do currently in partnership with the did board? To implement a process that is can basically costs nothing and we don't have a budget for it. That's a very minimal cost. And so we designed what was in your pre repack it for the board. a retail survey. This is designed to be an immediate locals tool to capture in a structured way input from downtown residents. So what is the objective? It is very straightforward. It is to identify from what residents perceived as missing underserved are needed in the downtown retail mix. And from this data, we hope to inform retail recruitment a very solid economic development strategy. So I'm here today. Well, because what we would like to do get your input and feedback. Although I know there's no qna at this point. But for you to all discuss, perhaps after the meeting or at some point. Consider putting this topic on your agenda in September. Why so that we can have a formal discussion that would allow time for all of you to evaluate the survey's purpose, the structure, the potential role and provide input into the process that we're discussing. Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to your feedback and direction. Thank you very you. The food will be a better on. So I'm going finish business. >> Correct. >> So this put on to the kids, a prior to some of the that it has happened the city Commission meeting this up past Monday at the August 3rd meeting, as you know, City Commission has rolled some of the parking decisions that were made. Additionally, there will be a public open house on August 20 that. The parking staff will be in addition, City Commission will be commission workshop the 31st of August. In addition at your city commission meeting, you did ask me to seek a legal That is within your agenda package as well. So with I will open it up to discussion amongst the board for board discussion in put However, your discussion wants to go. Well, live, says, is into the microphone? Sorry, not here yet you have to really limit the this. >> Okay. I mean, I'm happy to lead hope all of us can. But I think. We're in a good place with the I think we've gotten the city's attention and that I do. I have personally have great feelings that we can come up with a solution that will work for everyone. It's not going to be easy, but I think it is going to happen. I I do want to thank all of everybody that helped me and and all the people that this. Answered surveys, which was shocking to me that we've got so many is a short time. But I I also think that we as a bid did a did board should a formal. Response to the parking situation because as as I had mentioned to you all before, we kind of went out on their own money and I did. And then I did so I think, but I think it's appropriate that the board take a position. So I would just put that out there. >> Thank Waynes You have >> I think you guys a tremendous job. We appreciate your efforts and your your personal life duty dedicate the time and your action to put in the survey. other. And coming up with some really in front of results. But I think impact of the city commission. So I commend all the efforts you guys put into this hopefully help facilitate a solution, a long-term better parking plan for the city. >> no No major I think. There's a path here and I think you guys really spin it so that it was going down the wrong potentially. So maybe we correct. Of course, all the time. >> The only common I have I want to thank we have our commissioners and Koch. I want to thank her and her with the commission to really understanding and listening to the voices of the community. I think it was a a brave thing, but they are able to do it. 5, 0, and I want to again, thank her. The for listening to the community. >> know, whole ago I think that parking has downtown 20 years and it's been a problem for 20 years. And sometimes it's better. Sometimes it's worse. Sometimes it's abysmal. We never seem to get it right with have meters in 3 times we somehow always by meters weeping the city that you can't read in the sun in the place recently. Most of the time. We have an older population, myself included and it's not easy to figure out those meters and people I spend. Lots of time and I was going have my time. That's not true. But it's been lot of time going outside because this is station I have my door. And I'm going help people. So now I know how to do it. But you know, Logically, it is easy. If you get part Mobile and you know, but if you don't know what, it's really hard and people, it's not about the money do not against paying. They're against, like not only would the going not knowing how long it is, not knowing how to get themselves and for have time have power. It's really bad for the merchants because someone thin buying. Or you something. And then that's it. Oh, my God, I have to go. I'm going to get a ticket of the back attendance. They say that they're not looking. But from my point of wants that window all day long there. There like a minute over, you know, slow. We really do have a lot of cleaning up to do. And I think that the best time we ever had was when the the meat was no charge. It was 2 hours. We did that. I was on the parking committee at the time. turnover. And that's what we need. An town. 2 hours is enough time to have lunch. It's not time to. You. Don't go and buy something and then you can move your car to another place. It really well and then and cut it off a bitter times because if you're going up for a big dinner, you don't want to have to be had to be enjoying be under the constraints of. Oh, my God, my parking supply can't have dessert. We haven't. We have an example of when it worked and then we got into the garage and we should pay for the garages. We've got a whole can of worms now with elevators that don't work. I really think we should go back certainly on all the streets of the main let Maine street decide what they want. But I think all the other streets give palm of knew what they have on State Street. We just 2 are turn on to know that. So I think there's an answer. I think it can be done. And I don't want mention, but they did say that went last time when they put commuters and they said when. We make a profit will give some back to the district and then they buy cars. Fence you this morning. They make sure the never have a profit. We we thought that they were being good partners when they said that. But it just never happened. So I think it's a mask is tainted. Take them use out. Give us to our parking and let people feel happy. But coming downtown again, you know, you do pay when you go to the mall because whoever is in the store renting this door. Pace for maintenance of the parking lot. When you buy something used or you paying for it, you know, doesn't feel like that. It feels good. You go you and the other thing, everyone system, all of you being our lunch. Maybe they are. But I went out there. Look. In the summer when it's really hot like now the mall is a really good place to go with kids. Only a friend for coffee. When I was out there. I didn't see that many bags and then another, you who said what did you He's also anyway. That's think you thank you. >> So so, jump in here. Sort of be away today. I think we have to understand that there is a budget. I mean, the past the past, course. >> You know, we all expected we have to find a way to figure out what's best for everyone. But there is a budget to balance and we can go on living our lives protest. If there's no budget unit that the income has to be replaced. And so, you know, I was thinking about this. I have some ideas. I'd like to to some more math and studied a little bit before I say anything. But there's intelligent ways to drive value to the retail owners that are facility facilitating business for our our area and as such, we can find ways to. Distribute dollars to parking you know, through maybe Central. Partnership for the rebate or something. But I have some ideas. So I'm gonna keep doing the math and figure out to make sense and talk pardon people. >> Thank you. Just more thing. Yes. Thank Not to I I did asked a few times if there's any way of setting up the meters is such a way that store owners can validate that and that we can we can put it on our you know, put it on our tab. And if someone is there a new worry, give me a car license number of. But in my part, mobile and a plea for your parking, you know, it. That should be some way that we can. It's not about the money. We always say it's about money, but it's not. But it is about the perception and the feeling that, you know, it's free and fun at the mall and other places, but not downtown. And it's complicated. >> I was kind I want I don't want honestly, I've been such a deep dive into this parking. I I don't want to really get into it. But I don't think anybody ever really felt like it. I don't want to pay a buck and a half us more about the feeling more than anything else. So but I think that that there are a lot of people working on this right now, including the budget that you mentioned, that act. I've done a deep dive into the budget for drug for that department. And there are a lot of things to think about and talk about, frankly, about the compound position of the budget because budget drives behavior. I think it's a great idea. I don't know if we can get because we don't have another meeting for a while and August 24th. There's going to be a workshop, a town or other part me And so it's a time when I think it would be welcome to have those kinds of solutions because what the solutions state talking, we fix this. My personal appeal to the to the commission has always come from an economic view. And that's a complete shift in the way that they've looked at it before. I think in general, it's always been pay for the parking cover, the parking cover, the Pay for Parking division as opposed to creating a policy. That the customer and the economic value of the downtown customer. That's a different lens. And that's that's a look that we should be giving that to the city because that's who we represent. Yeah. >> sorry, guys. Just one last thing. I think something that's where my head was going in conjunction with memberships. I don't know why we do a lot of people to sign up for membership. That could be expensive. For instance, all the businesses, my business, my company, we have 10 people that we would gladly Bynum ships for. So we do have to worry about parking. It's all included for the month or make a yearly or whatever you want to driving come and that way. You know, between I things ID and we're talking about here, there is a source of replenishing the funds and then the budget whole different conversation. But a live look up. let me just and I'd like just to make a final so we can move >> I think that we have on board members. We have several different I would like to propose that the maybe set up a separate meeting. The collection workshop so we could discuss it because due sunshine laws were not able to do that. And I think this is a very end. The the commission is what setting up a time if they could find the time to listen to the community. I think we should find the time is 5 board members to discuss which you would. Julie, I think joy ever pose that we set something up. It's either through zoom or we could be in all. was 3 of us for quorum that we move forward that we we set the time just like the commission is doing. I think it's very important that we have a voice and we can come up with a move forward we come up as a unified did board members on this subject. >> Certainly I look for workshop dates to put things in perspective. You do have the open house on the 24th. You have this commission workshop on August 31st. The next day, September. First, you do have the meeting so I can put on the agenda a discussion on parking so you can discuss what was heard at the Open House and at the Commission workshop. Because then the following week would be a city commission meeting where potentially parking could be on that agenda. It could then be at that meeting that the board could have. Some ideas or solutions. And at that time you could elect somebody to speak on behalf of the board at that City Commission meeting. So I suggesting I suggesting we can to voters at 09:00AM prior to our board meeting as a workshop. >> We we could definitely do that. suggest that we do that in our prior to our our just board meeting. Certainly we do >> Is everybody okay with that? That's right. With Works for It works. think >> All right. Could somebody just formally make that motion forming a motion that you can't vote and what I move that we parking. >> September first, at 9 o'clock prior to the September first board meeting a second. I I. Perfect. Thank you. And I'll be able to gather all of those materials and have 4 the workshop. Thank And then get remembered a workshop. You can't make any decisions. We'll put it on the September first meeting. So that after the workshop, you can then make decisions about what you Perfect. Thank you. >> Do this every the budget the park and so I can use that for Certainly certainly appreciate that to Julie at What one of the common Mason, numerous times really opportunity when we run near one of companies coming to make a presentation. >> How they would propose to run of the LA system just because of one of the tools the tool belt for a potential fix to some of this. Are to better the situation just going to make every station, but they would charge how they such a situation. The only thing about that if I. >> Rick, what I can gather information if I request a specific vendor to come in and get the presentation. >> That would then the gate. Then if we went out to bid from. Bidding on a proposal, if we went that route. Yeah, because gives them an you via us what it costs. But I like and what they really indict. Ken, I can present it. I just can't have a company presented because then it they wouldn't be able to on a proposal if we were to solicit one, that's a good bit >> you just really want to >> Call one of the companies that just think how they would how they they physically run such an operation? >> Yes, like I can definitely do that. I just can't invite somebody because then that's OK. >> All right. That should be able use the word of the U.S. just drive me the other one of Hyde Park. as somebody else. But the review does a great job Friday. There's there's on the Run II, but I'm just saying that they're already they've got base, right, some space that they have reuse right. >> The only other and tied up piece in here is the direction of the board regarding the legal I do need some type of >> closure direction as far as what the board close. It you can't. You're the chair. >> We've got about that. Sorry. >> Present time. I don't think we need to motion. That's really we need. You know, I don't believe we need a legal thing. The present time based upon the city's actions last week. But >> I think we should be working in coordination with the city. So you to do that. Approve. I think part of Thank you. Thank you, Julie. Next we have a. >> A new will go back up to presentations into the mobile food truck. Mister Good Morning. Good morning. Lenny. >> Right and general manager Planning Department planner Planning He read a brief power we're going to share with you to discuss mobile food trucks, little background. We write the City Commission on July 6th. Regarding mobile food trucks, the Dtv your downtown Bayfront zone district. There's been some interest in allowing them there are currently allowed in the Dtc and the TV's under 6 districts and areas of the city will. We'll get to that in a minute. Show you a map. But wanted to share this with you. As the commission did authorize staff to work on zoning text amendment to allow them and the DEA to be zone district and expedite said zoning text amendment that's going to be going to the planning board next month. And I just want to give you a little have a brief history on the ordinances that have been adopted. Some new standards and where they're currently allowed. over the years we well, I guess going badly for us to love us and 2021. Day and added some other areas of the city 2022. and then lastly 2024, love them along the corridors or been mixed use own districts. And what we did at 21. Yes, that you have created a definition permitted, you know, where these they be allowed in the zone districts. And keep in mind, we're talking about mobile food trucks on private property, not in the rights of way. That's a separate process. It's a special. That process is strictly talking about food trucks on private property. Also includes a new standards, right, to make sure that, you know, we're trying to be sensitive to adjacent properties. So we talk about hours of Operation we talk about number of food trucks, you know, you know, noise, etcetera. So in we checked with the code and they really haven't had any code issues over these last for years. With respect to food trucks, we haven't really received any complaints seems to be working, you know, as intended. We also wanted to make sure that the that the zoning text amendment was not intent was not in conflict, rather some state statute. And you see that in the 3rd bullet that the state does have some preemption with respect to food, trucks and local governments. So what I mentioned earlier in 2022, we expanded of drugs to include the downtown core zone district. And then 24, we expanded it excuse and districts which that's those are the areas along the corridors nor trail South Trail for road. Handed over to Brianna, Brianna So on the screen, you can see a map. >> Of where mobile food trucks are currently permitted. So that includes the industrial and urban mixed districts, CBN, which town MLK Corridor, North Trail, government zones and downtown edge in downtown core. And the zoning text amendment would be proposing to allow for. Mobile food trucks in the downtown bayfront some districts. So this is the area that's on the screen. And recently there has been interest from the public and expanding the allowance of mobile food trucks to the downtown bayfront. Some district this map does identify those areas zone D TV. And previously district was not recommended to allow mobile food trucks due to the general residential character interest of the public in that direction from the city Commission. We are taking a look at that and proposing that to allow it to the provisional use permit, which is different than by right. And this does allow for a review process that provides an opportunity to allow the use when there's minimal impacts to allow the use. But impose mitigation measures identify concerns or deny the use of concerns cannot be resolved. That concludes the presentation just quickly why the provisional use process is being considered for the dtv zone district. As you know, the TV. >> Include some areas of downtown their holy residential, South Palm Avenue, for instance, so we wanted to make sure talk about the area on, you know, that would be south of our west of of Ringling, one of them make sure if we're allowing these, you know, because it's a little bit different character in the TV that there's a the personal use. You know, they do have to go through a process and it's, you know, can be an annual process that's not working. Well, there's the ability hold that back. There's been some That's what's being considered now. And then lastly, the commission did ask us to kind of informal survey with restaurant owners, etcetera, in these areas to see if they had any feelings one way or the another about food trucks. If they had certain concerns or issues. So that's also be emailed to those owners. Got it this morning. But this working. So a questions or comments. Happy to hear from you. Thank you very much for presentation. All start with my colleague to the left. >> I'm just worried. We only put up that, you know, restaurants who have huge stake in the game with rents and all sorts of things. It's hard enough to operate downtown right now without somebody coming in the you know, that's that was my own thought. I have no personal. So, you know, skin in the game. >> we and Alston tense that the downtown incorrectly from wrong. We haven't seen as many like in the core. First of all, you know, it's it's there's not up. And there's this is a few vacant parking lot. You've got put you in a place to put it right so we saw more thing coming out, you know, and COVID coming out of COVID >> but haven't seen as many in the in the downtown. We we do have a few along the MLK corridor and actually did the business. They're support them and prefer that they they like activity that brings. But yeah, duly noted about the to my colleague to the right. >> Food trucks to we have in those areas. Now. >> I we can get that information and I'm not sure of the top of my head. >> Well, because you said he had complaints. I just didn't know how many we have. So curiosity to have the list. I don't remember off the top. Yeah. And should get a sense of it. I wanted to say was that order magnitude saying as I recall probably I you know, remember better than I on this, to the downtown core. I know the did area was excluded. Right? And it's still excluded for No. The are you proposing now be right now. Food trucks are allowed. >> In all of DTE NDTV with respect to area and then the proposal is to expand that into the Dtv zone district. So it's not that the batteries don't have playing and how they're being permitted or loud today. >> Okay. So it's working with no problems. I don't know. Like. >> This All right. That that's I have. Okay. So my real quick, my question is I don't always know where dtv indeed in court, all those codes pull up the map really concerned right now with the did. >> And whether or not? My understanding before was that they were not particularly excluded. and to be put into that, do did there. >> Now it's it's always been my zone district. >> Ron information, I guess I got from staff. yeah, what staff share that with you? We'll tell you later. So. I. >> Well, let me let me in that it again with the did. As I mentioned, you know, how many how many areas are they park? A food truck right now? So it's built out what happened to have a private property right next to my bed. My >> And and they could they could bring food truck there if they want to. I didn't think notes they would, but they could. >> That's I can tell you that right now. I don't know if there's closed either of you are on North palm or anything else, their private lots. But I thought that we have to have that I I think is an interest is time to bring this up. To be honest. Because the downtown businesses are really struggling. As you know. And as we've shared other arenas, though, to say, well, let's just bring some more competition that really doesn't fit what we're trying to build either in terms of the atmosphere of the city, kind of an elegant, the jewel of the city. With tracked. I think talks are cool. Hi to personally and I think they're places where they could fit, maybe where they are being put in now. I just don't think that that that our downtown that we're trying to protect that we wanted to be a certain look is where they could go. I they're they're now on special occasions. I know they're tempted for New Year's and special events. But other than that, I don't think I want to have a food truck right next to the restaurant every day. The week. And just keep in >> you know, when they're out there today, so we're not there's not a suggestion that, though that's going to pull back that the proposal is looking at the Dtp zone district. >> If there, what is the ordinance number right now on can go back to that slide. on there. There's 3 of them are like that. Or take us to So this this first 2 bullets. We don't have coffee per day. And yeah, it's big. It is our this time. I just keep it. That's okay. That's fine. Look at Know I did. But that's okay. Up to get it. Thank you, Kate. Thank you. Thank Wayne. So any comment? >> it just echo the concerns that downtown restaurants, you know, struggling as it is so increase competition. Downtown is challenge for them. I think the Bay Front row, they park it's fine But downtown core, the district kind of a district that struggling at the moment. >> Yeah, I mean, I think for for my I tend to agree, although I will say with rents being so expensive and prohibitive. We really need to make sure we have a nice ecosystem that's well thought through for entrepreneurs to have opportunity to test their skills in the open market. See if they can start a concept that's going to have success. American growth, something fruitful. So I am I'm pro the concept I think as all of us, I want to represent our tenants. I think having them in certain locations need to be. Put with some. Guardrails to not destroy them that we have in place. But as you said, wait, I think everything with water. We really have a locking experience with the waterfront. Hearts landing the red area, the bayfront park, all those things need to be programmed a little better. Maybe that's a nice place to test some of these new concepts and entrepreneurs who want to test their skills across the open market. So. Totally understand the But there has to be some way for us to welcome a different experience into the market. Otherwise it's going. No competition leads PSEG Nation. We don't want that. >> I think it's a thank you, Wayne I have it just a few questions. Again. Thank you both for being here today. This is one of number one is place that I think are you advocating for this change or? >> We did not. That's something that >> To the commission and the commission head. >> Directed staff to work a new text amendment Have a couple. I just have a good. Most my concerns are I I I some some of the concerns of my colleagues have made regarding the impact they're saving in a presentation. There was a minimal impact. I didn't really understand what that meant or what the commutation was. Minimal impact. If you could just take a look back and what that means. But when we talk about private property, I just want to understand what was the matrix terms of someone has a private property? Was their square footage per truck meaning is their If if someone has a a 2000 square foot, lots. Is there a maximum of square footage of a trailer on to that. Was that manage? Is there 78? And then some of the things that put down the sanitation part of that parking cleanup lightning. So are there certain restrictions that are put upon the property owner of how many trucks is able or she is able where that city is able to put on to Alright, and I think you are referencing the EU standards and that those were put in place too, to really minimize impacts to the adjacent property owners. I can. And again, these are in place today. I don't know if there's a the quick bin. All right. I'll take a look at this and I want to take up to does a fair Yes, we do have those in place. So there is a maxim number of food trucks you can have on one parcel that, you know, certainly the hours of operation noise, signage. It does talk about parking and Russian facilities is it is about the amount of >> for her what but if what the Matrix is. >> For the lot size itself. So now there's some other 2000 square foot lot in the fill it up on the whole thing with with trucks or is at 50%. >> Of the usage or 40% of the usage. I'd like to see if you can find that information send that back to us. I'd appreciate that. As far as if if someone, is it too good? Someone has 1000 square-foot lot. Does the city allowed a whole lot to be used by trucks or is there a maximum that we could use space? So if the city had as >> the minimum square foot, lot have to meet the minimum square footage of that some districts. So depending on his own district, there's different size like to think in downtown court, 1800 square for so you have to me is that you have to meet the parking standards. whatever that uses, they also to make sure that it meets the code requirements of the dimensional of the parking spaces required parking there is that it's for the first 2 food trucks is additional parking required. But if there's a 3rd, there says that on lawn problem, have to be on the property. And then the other thing until the mention of alcohol sales are permitted from food trucks and a service. You know, they have some kind special event permit. You mentioned New Year's, you know, on the right of way. >> But, you know, so you don't so terms of the competition, you know, they're not able to sell alcohol. I just want to let my last column would be just to follow up on what And had mentioned that the city I think is is is is really I think the restaurant tours that we have now that are moving in and investing into the downtown are really, I think bringing especially with subject, is doing with the Waldorf-Astoria, adding up more high-end, truly just a great destination. What Wayne has done in terms of his Really curating great upscale restaurants. What Chris is done with 2 of her restaurants and what I've done with my restaurant and also how are the Hearst or so beautiful makes beautiful presentation. I would just to see it, I think would be a a. It should degradation to the what the community already has already done to the downtown I think the idea of what has mentioned prior that true trucks really near by the water, I think is a great to have traffic there. So I'm just trying to preserve people prior to me have done to create such a beautiful city and for us to continue maintaining that that image. >> Restrictions on. I assume that they would need the generator restrictions. The generator noise. >> Just in terms of, you know, the noise ordinance that we have. >> as we all know, doesn't several. The trucks have internal Jenner. Yeah, well, several have internal I speak from experience. Somebody got a permit to have a coffee Barr under my window and you have the world's noise, his generator. This started at 06:30AM, in the morning. Who knew? You know, us. Well, yeah. So it is important that too spend time. Looking at all the lake. Really nitty-gritty him picking so that if we don't, we do it right. But I agree like Ali, I think done by the Bay Front was one very few reason, bridge Acton, but feel it can be really nice, too. Have a little picnic. That's a place for it. I don't think Bill in the heart of downtown is the place for food trucks. Wood. Is there a way to exclude? >> That are are very the downtown core of it. >> There already allowed today and ordinance would be an opportunity to do it wouldn't because of the Senate bill. One, 80 this tape Ramzan that restrict local governments from making any more restrictive or burdensome land use changes. today we couldn't that sunset supposedly October 27. We can always revisit it. Then when is that October? 27? you know, initially when we did this, I think you mentioned the first ordinance, you know, just include a downtown edge and then at the time, 22 the commission at the time requested that that the expanded into downtown core. So just so, you know, they should we should expect it asked for that back in 20 to. actually, it was just downtown. That was at 22 edition that you addition again. Now is that the direction and only takes a minute, it's going to the process. So it's also go through planning Board and City Commission so we'll see it goes. But just want to share the information with the background. I didn't realize it was such a big thing. I did read about the one truck hit the newspapers. The coffee truck its twin Yes, yeah. So it again. And that's why I think, you know, the notion of a provisional use was being considered because, you know, maybe it makes sense there that maybe doesn't make sense and certain and that then, but it's downtown Mostly in. All right. Don't forget. There's also parking I mean, it's true. Yeah, it's like it's hard to right now. Is that considered? So all right. Thank you both >> thank you, Joe. have next in budget. >> Yes. So the budget you do the updated she of our budget for this fiscal year, which is on page. 31 of the agenda material. And then in addition to that, >> the light downtown light it. >> Research the procurement database and was able to vendor that our parks and Department had. to maintain the light poles in the park. So I reached out to that vendor sent him the information for our downtown light poles he is honoring their contract So we're able to that painting in prepping of 357 of the light poles in the downtown area. For a total cost of $80,325 we did approximately $79,000 from the flower baskets so if it is the direction of the board to continue with that project, I would you utilize those funding dollars with the balance of fund balance to issue the purchase order to get those light poles taking care of. >> With the plan B to do it slowly gradually over a two-year period. So be 40,000. >> they yes. So after that, we would, in I think it would be best to block a public streets and doing by streets. Candy, do the trash cans at the same time or is that? They look pretty. But some of them. >> We can look at trash cans for next year. I can. I can look at that and see if that was included in the contract. This one I think specifically was the suing. There has to be a trash can one. >> just get it. You have no But I think as well guys out there. >> We still have like black. Black trash can agree lives on Black this. But this this this quote is strictly for pulled. This quote is strictly for polls at the moment. The only thing that I think we should take. Yeah. I agree. We've got to sing. >> I think it's I think it's good use of our Look great a city that needs that desperately. Yeah. >> And make a motion. And even though she to issue a purchase order in the amount of $80,325. So make a motion. great also were all. >> I favor approve. >> Okay. With that. We're on to direct or comments. >> really just so does it. Last week. We would like to get it a bit for this from this vendor for trash. >> Yeah, I will. I will. I will if it's know that. We'll see if it's on his list to look so What a difference. >> director comments, I think. >> Well, the only common to have ironically is that I just got back a 2 week trip, various little town to New England and every single town help lower best that look lovely. >> I have I have a couple of them. One of them. I wanted to follow up on. Before. I'm Pat Robinson left the deputy. that office sorry we have started a lot of work with Wayne, it started this whole work. We had a whole list of things that need to be repaired and cleaned up. And I know we've got a lot done, but we never finish that project up. Because he left the office and nothing's happened since then. So I'm just trying to find a way that we can reschedule someone to come from the city to come and give us. >> So that so we will have at the September first meeting. We will have our new city manager, Kerry and our new deputy city manager. >> Jennifer Jordan will be here >> they divided similar to how Pat had overseen different departments and help carry and how the previous city manager. >> So >> since it was in the middle of budget season. >> And our can issue everything going right We have not had the opportunity to do that. So at that said Timber meeting. is when we see what direction that show going and restart those. >> Okay. Just Jennifer, does she know that this started it for good obvious reasons. It was dropped, we do want finish it out yet. And I don't know whether or not it's going to be huge end for with Kerry. Okay. Okay. That's the thing I have. And it was brought up at the recently at that. And that was something that was on that list of thing. to bring for more awareness of vacant buildings there's no ordinance. And and and and we we brought it up before and we realized found out that there was ordinance to cover. Their maintenance, whether they and then. I don't think it went anywhere after that. So I'm I do believe it's on the city manager's radar. tell you where it is. But I do case on the radar and where are we on the lighting? I know we're in lighting. You mean age? The main street? Yeah, That's what public works. they're they have still. Nick has still told me that it is supposed to be completed by the time Christmas comes. So I am still hopeful that he is correct. >> Okay. >> That's our target. Is a licensed really bad right now? I mean, they're hanging down under Oh, you mean the tree like, OK, the tree lights. Yes, I do have an update on the tree light. So, you know, we did the park. I we've issued the second purchase order. So they have they're doing from Main Street that started from Goodrich. >> She pineapple and pineapple. That second portion of Main Street. So they're working up Main Street and then they're going. So the goal would be by Christmas time, all of Main Street is done. Okay. about like the side streets yet? We have to wait for an X funding. OK, remember, shot, right? We went Yeah. So we're we're trying to get 3 getting there. But we're getting Okay. Yes, and we we have that allocated for in this budget cycle right? >> We have portion of that. then that person is mentioned. All right. That's how I have for now. Thank you, Chris. excuse me. I'm sorry. Can we are going to review the budget? Yes, September, I had the budget. Okay, but I can do it today. If you want. Yeah, I there. I do have that its know. Yes, it's undermine it. >> And that's not a comments undermined. You have a Yeah. Let's to the budget and then I'll answer your question. Okay. All right. Had a couple questions on the budget. Yes, Ali. But now I can't find my papers and second. Yet that we have the 2 different formats. They yeah, out. Yeah. Because one is. One. Is ours. And one is how they do it for the budget book. Because one is based the and the system isn't necessarily customizable. >> And this, that and multiple things together. So it doesn't necessarily. All right. Do it line for line. Okay. So which is and I know. It's kind of a that literally of to spread the whole thing out of that going on. >> One of the questions I have just this is just a the the horizontal >> the supplies and expenses pages actually page. 39. >> light up the night event that on there. In the end, a description of the procurement mechanism there's I think it's just a typo cause. We had agreed that. The did manager with for all applications. I'm not just those that are that met every requirement to for our review. Just over us to look at. Yeah. And other question I had as I read it again and I think I hate to say this, but I think you're talk about it, but I'll try get really quickly. Why is it? And we stated and I think we agree to it. So I'm not saying we didn't that it's everything on come come first come first serve basis as opposed by Mayor. >> I mean, really since that if you have a like in your budget line item you a $25,000 for grants okay in let's say you have it is this time of the year and you live spent all of your grant funding and somebody else comes here. And presents you with a grant. You can choose to fund that grant or you can choose to say we don't have any more funds. First come first served, meaning there is no more line 9 in the budget for that. It's it's just a way of saying that. You don't have to fund that great if there is no budget left for that grants. Okay. Meaning you have understand that. But I mean, wouldn't we just? You would still see the request even though? Yeah, but couldn't. >> Yeah. So it's really basically the gist of it. There's no funding available is not a who came first with that, correct? It just doesn't exist, correct? So it's still by merit. It really isn't exactly because this kind of sounds like, well, look, if you got your grant, the question first, you win. Yeah. And that doesn't intend that. I know. So we'd like to have that stretch. Just so it's clear just for your consideration And on Page 40 quick question here. Memberships in supplies. Under membership subscriptions, travel and training our It says it where they're exempt from competitive procurement. So they're just paid out straight. For example, if we did have I think we've ever had one. >> Yeah, that's >> If that like with the Dew Wani thing that came in. And it's a $25 for board to go in the board. Wanted to go to that. And the board wanted to pay for it. We don't have to procure that. Okay. So we just write a check for the of the ship. Yeah, I just want to make and are so that get on the other version of the of the One of the one of the questions I had and I I a little bit to the other, but I hadn't really look at this. >> On Page 40 to 44 under personnel. This looks like if you're our budget for which would be you 75 5.75. 5. And then it went to 80 to 5. So about a 9.2% increase. Am I reading this property? >> Yeah. And it's not just my salary. So in that personnel, you're also paying a portion city staff personnel so a portion like for finance because they do part of the budget. It that runs these meetings. You pay a portion of that. So there is a percentage of that that goes with it. And then if you go on to page, 43. You can see. The detail. Of what went up. And the biggest cost is the health insurance that jump that price. >> Okay. The because that was my next question. If you look at Page 43, then that breaks down what makes that 82? That's the fun. 42. Okay. Get some of that may connect to that yet. Also the other question I had is. where it says operating we had 18. >> 18? >> And then 31,000. So a 67% increase on that line. Which paid you want it? I'm sorry, page. 42. And this should the thing that got or me is that is the increasing amount of both of those categories, whatever they are. >> Yeah, what they do is they they move items. >> So Mike. With >> They take so in that operating. >> Who is it? That's a huge jump. So let me. It. Is it do that with you guys? Is it OK? we I would. I'm raising these 2. You have to answer the right this minute. We have a meeting next month with just 3, 4. But I just like will raise a question and then we can talk about it. The next many other was we're not going to get the >> Like I said, what they do is they move categories. >> Yeah, but I would like to see it. But yes, like is or what faith with you call it operating or whatever it's called because, you know, they have all these different categories that we get a break down because, for example, that looks like a huge shot. That was a huge jump. 67 1%. So what's it made of? And >> I believe in that operating what changed there? If you look on our budget, if you look that we added the ABA >> I saw dollars. I saw the that is now included in that operating. So that was a new expense that we didn't have last year. So that dollar amount is now in that operating. >> It was then I want to see what what was different last year than year. Money wise. That's but yeah. >> The problem is the finance budget doesn't match. Our budget, right? It just their categories. You cannot and states specifics. so for our edification. So know what we're paying for. >> And what we certainly troll over and then also I know if you guys all have itemized kind of the notes on these. But if not, I thought there was a larger issue to talk about. Maybe as I looked at the budget showed us with anticipated fund balance of 430 29, right. 3.77. Hope that we should look things that we want to do, that we may as well. In the words, the famous words Now of Sun market. >> Fended bend it. Haha. Well, we but I of that. Chris, you have any suggestions. I will you. Yeah. Because this does anticipate that you're going to have a carry over from this year of $700,000. How's that looking? However, you have spent more money this year than you originally anticipated because we have done more so that. Balance. Could be lower. Well, this a One of the things that we thought we could consider as just offering it for your consideration. >> Is paying part that loan off that we have with the city might be helpful for them too, for us to be able to pay them at this time. >> Yeah. This year you would have one more payments so you can make sure that neck and leaving it unclear that came and also be of help to the city. The same time. >> But that's a big portion of our budget. So, it right. Anyway, just and again, we can. We can I guess Maltese over when when you. When we talk budget. Thank you, Chris. way. So comments. Oh, good. >> You know that nothing here. Thank you, guys. All right. Thank you, gentlemen, both. I have 3 I like that ring up. Number one is something for for Julie. Julia, you know, we we come here. It's into parking the last 2 times I was here. There was not enough parking spaces and parking lots. our two-hour parking outside. I received a citation. I like to see the city would work something out for board members that are that there are no parking spots in the city. areas that come board commission, President Gore are we get some type of there's a ticket that it's it's a it's the least or it's waived for because we really want to not paying a position that we take hold and we're in tears to the sun. I don't think we need to be burdened with a violations if we're. >> So that's Ronnie. And if you go to that, if you go to parking office and tell around word, those supply was a city sticker. I have eye, but city sicker and I went to twice and they looked at me like I was crazy. So. >> And they know so So I like to see if we can get something more permanent. Julie, if you can that be plus that. That's number one. My second comment. There was an I just want to bring support the board's attention. There was an incident downtown Sarasota, July 29th at 06:00AM. >> How about a Jewish place of worship and that address is 3, 3, 2 Coconut Avenue. The person throwing a rock through the front glass. The person was arrested and charged with 2 felonies. I want to thanks to Rob. I Steinmetz a Pat Robertson of the Jewish Federation, a Sarasota police, including officers, Martinez Night and detectives. Colin Spencer Robertson and Castro want to thank for the participation arresting this individual. I want to state that we are a community of people's religious freedom is essential to who we are as Americans. Jewish, Christian or Muslim. attack on one is an attack on all. We stand strong and brotherhood and sisterhood. I just want to make those comments. Thank you. My name is we speaker here earlier From from disco. And I just want to are did purpose and responsibility. our mission statement. The mission of the downtown improvement district is to foster a vibrant, competitive and thriving downtown that attracts and retains businesses, employees, residents and visitors. They sell tax independent special district of downtown commercial property owners. strive to elevate downtown Sarasota as an exciting place to live work and invest. I just like to reiterate that the downtown board is the downtown district. Our budget derives from commercial property within a certain district to help again. Elevate what we're doing here. I didn't read that discussed downtown Sarasota retail survey. I just like to review what they stated here. Sarasota down to Sarasota, downtown approximately 7,000 existing going nuts. The compact area roughly 1.8 square miles with about 1000 additional units under construction, roughly 1000 development pipeline. I'd like to comment on that. Probably 9,000 units and one point square miles. To read to reiterate our geographic area for the did. 0.1, 2 square miles. That is less than 10% of the state of 1.8 square miles. The dead. How housing units, 941 housing units, 567 households. 634 businesses 5,640 employees. So from the parts from the statement, 7,000 to 9,000, basically, basically have less than 1400 units in the downtown district and the downtown district. I believe that. The school wants to do Survey of some kind. It should be taken directly to the city commission. Not to that. It did has its responsibility to our people in this area, not outside of the area. To really try to find and We're trying to do with retailers. We live in a free. The free market economy based on consumer needs strictly I was I not give a personal experience. White wanted to open up my restaurant. I had numerous people coming to me position say that your unit that the space and I tested my dollars in 2, whoever I want to leave that out, too, should be a ice cream shop that should art gallery should be. But other people wanted. There are major to matrix as and so they could also I'd like to comment on this that one major local regional national chains come into a certain area. There's a major to see what retailer, what, what the what the what the consumer market is looking for it's important to understand that we are transitioning sarasota's transitioning from a more of a seasonal, a destination to more of a long-term. Every that, you know, you're around a community. And with that said, there's going to transforming of different type of retailers. And I believe the retailer. Every individual takes there. Investment seriously. I think some type this type of survey is not needed because the shouldn't dictate to what we're looking for. And furthermore, if that Jessica is staying, that they are representing 1.8 square miles, 9,000 resident says that should go to the city commission and not to the did board. The did board has that as a team as a fiduciary duty to what we're doing within this 0, 1, 2 square miles of of of area. So there I have mine comments. Well said. What's next on the agenda, OK? General board matters. >> Just an update on the landscape contract. As you know. Several months ago, we I went out to bid. We've got a new contract. Got that approved. They started work. And unfortunately they've decided they no want For the city. So I will need to in rebid the landscape More update on later. On the budget, I show you more in debt budget at the next meeting. Just enough. Why I the public adoption meetings. >> Will be on September. 8th at 5.30, and September 20 first. >> In addition to that, we will have our board meeting as workshop at 09:00AM to talk about the parking. They said that we will have the city manager and deputy city manager at our September first meeting. We will also have a market in communication update. We will also do our purchase orders for fiscal year 26. 27. You will also have your public around Grant acted nation agreement. So that is for your fresh Friday. That is for your light up the night. And that is 4 Black shop small Saturday. We will put the parking on there so you can make some decisions. Some parking and I'm the chair, had a discussion regarding the farmers market activations to those of the items that I have for the regular September. agenda item. The item I did want to bring up and they didn't want to introduce to the board. Is that the city does have a new economic development manager who started with the city yesterday. Teacher Greene locked in it started with the city. So I just wanted to bring rather than have her to introduce you to the board. We will have her in future to talk more But for now, I just wanted a to give her a introduction. Welcome. >> Thank you. Thank you, so Good morning. Good morning. Happy to meet you, I've been sitting in the back and listen all of that concerns and your comments. So super excited to be here at the city. It's a Sarasota, okay. From city of Saint Pete. So at the City of Sarasota as the economic development and real estate manager. I have an extensive background economic development across the Tampa Bay area. And so super excited to actually be back from Sarasota. So went to school here got take. My degree in business and then also a master's in organizational leadership and management. So all about what it looks like to run business. My father has a legacy business here in Sarasota. So knowing those pains as well. It's well as on or what it looks like for government support, our local businesses and small businesses, especially in our community. And so happy to be here and look forward to working with you in the future. >> Thank you of them. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> But that anybody has any final it's 11. 36. 36, journalist.