Affordable Housing Workshop - Audio Only

today. And today I'm here Sarasota Housing Authority and the Sarasota Housing Funding Corporation. >> To discuss a site that were cut. We Central Gardens. We get my act together here. If I could have the overhead, please. You can see this property. They're outlined in red. It's on the Southside of 22nd Street east of Central Avenue. It within the sheriff's own housing authority overlay and it is zoned rmf too. Back in. 2023, Boy, Time 5, you MAY recall that that parcel of one of the parcels was added into the housing authority overlaid by the city Commission designated high-density residential. And so that gives us the ability on that site to go 15 per acre, which is why we're doing the 32 0.9, I think units per acre on this site. Let me show you the site plan. 22nd Street is their central concedes a single building it contains 39 units in a 4 story building. The staff report summarizes the tree removal and presentation a tree and statistics. A lot of trees are being removed. However, no grand trees are being removed. The trees that are being removed are very high quality trees and were mitigating everything on site. So that's a really good thing that we're able to actually replant the trees on site. The unit mix for the 39 units still be 15 one-bedroom units. And 24 2 bedroom units. The project complies with all of the housing Authority overlay district regulations. Traffic generation was deemed him in a mess. I was going to ask the William platt soak last. He had trouble getting here. So let me just quickly up my architect and on could be trouble. You can see the building. It's very straightforward for stories it's not straight that it's got some indications. It's it's a nicely scaled building. You can see how the front of it, you know, and late a little bit. The narrow. So it's very limited on where we could put the building because there's maximum setbacks and the overlay district. So that's why the building is where it is. I mean, it just made Lauch. That's the only place it could be put because there's a maximum 20 foot set back from the it is where it is. I'm going to quickly go through the review criteria for site plans. The first criteria is does the development comply with the various developing regulations? Yes, it does. We obviously wouldn't be here if we didn't regulations. The second criteria can. The design is to design compatible with plan? Well, by meeting other regulations that basically says we're complying with the city plan. I mentioned about the location of the building is pretty well set. Has the information being that can create be enough for review and it does again, we wouldn't be here if we weren't complete and fully reviewed. Can it be changed to mitigate any Again, the building is where it is. We located the building closest to the intersection again because of code This really doesn't create any off-site impacts. The parking lot will be buffer done there in on the South side very well on the east side as well. Can the designed each of them 7 and number number 5 and number both complete deal with parking and loading. We're providing more parking than required by code and loading zone. We comply with clothes so we're we're in good shape in that one. And number 7 relates to compliance with the tree ordinance. And as I said, yes, there are a lot of trees being removed. They are not quality trees, in my opinion, no grand trees are being removed are impacted. So that's a good thing. So again, shorten Pretty straightforward. This is important for the housing authority would think you want to say project >> we've just we've been working on this. >> For a while >> one of the sites was donated to U.S. Years and years And then we were finally able to acquire the land to the west of that down the Central Avenue. Now. To accumulate enough to, you know, put some multifamily housing on it. And it's also. Yeah, my board wanted to have. Also have control of the land as well. Just as kind of the southern gateway, if you will, to the existing Jamie's gardens community. So this is going to be right across the street and kind of facing Jamie's garden. So and we also believe that. The amenities of James Gardens will also be available too. Our Central families as well. So there's a clubhouse ERs, a computer allow. There's a There's now a school that's operating of the face or clubhouse. Yeah, thank you all. Be nice to incorporate. The central gardens residents and community as well. >> And this is a plan only. So you are making the final recommendation on this one. So hopefully you can support the project and move us that his move forward. Questions. MISTER Self. No question. MISTER Christie. What consideration was given to additional units given the over use of parking in the under use of the zoning. It wouldn't fit. I mean, what what? Well, I mean, it is not a designer. So yeah, out what? Why can't we lose some of that parking on the eastern and and still get another stack of units there without restricting the flow or even the parking on the eastern end of property. All right. With that looked at, yes, it We we need open space. Okay. But this is this is sort of off the main here, this side of the main areas. So we thought it was good to have a little extra parking on this one. >> Because you've got twice as much as needed. And it's not little bit well. Understand why so much of the code requires right? Read. It just seems too so that we wouldn't be impacting the neighborhood to the south. But we did look at this and it just didn't work out. Units financing Now, also tried to acquire the lot. Are these okay? And that's been a whole nother. Yeah. That was another experience. And I jk want to do yourself. Yeah. Sorry, played a Jags. I don't know what Smith and nz affordable group. >> But I think the only thing that I would add is one thing is called and another is that the housing authority and it all and I sent and then we all these buildings long term as we collect a lot of feedback from residents and management and a lot of times we try to get, you know, somewhat closer to one to one parking. And so I think between the playground that on there in gress just that's that's what I didn't seem to make You know, ice is a good question. >> Just sit since you touched on. It is or to access points required there with their but another kind of traffic flow configuration that again made of. Maximize some additional space on edge or the other from a mission from trash pickup point the loading. A got fire departments happier with to access. Isn't all that you have is that actually require now? Fire department probably could have gotten away with, but the trash collection just would have been impossible. >> Okay, because we've had to create a huge cul de sac, you know, turnaround for the trash truck, ok? You have no other questions. Thank you. MISTER Clement. No questions. All right. I don't have other any questions. I >> Afternoon Rebecca certified Planner Development Services. I have been sworn. So this is a safe plan. 24 s p o 9 being proposed for an approximately 1.1 8 acre property located at 14. 42 14. 56 22nd Street. The subject property is currently zoned residential, multiple family to arm of 2 and as a future land use classification of multiple family. High density, the subject property is currently owned by the Sarasota Housing Authority and Sarasota Housing Funding Corporation and is located within the housing Authority over Lee District. The property is located south of the Chinese garden development within the Central Coconut neighborhood. The Jamie's Garden development is currently zoned residential, multiple family. 5 a 5 and has a future land use classification of multiple family, medium density. They're single family home south of the subjects site within the central coconut neighborhood that are zoned rmf too. And future land use classification of single-family. Low density single-family homes that are west of the site are currently zoned residential, single family. 3 are rsf 3 and in the future. Clint Land use classification of single-family, low density, the parcels abutting the subject site to the east are currently vacant and have an existing zone district of of 2 and a future land use and multiple family, medium density the subject property is currently vacant and the applicant is requesting site plan approval for the development of a 4 story. 39 unit, multifamily development. All units proposed are are proposed to be affordable housing units managed by the Sarasota Housing Authority. The proposed development is compliant with all development standards of the zoning code for the imf to zone district in the housing authority over Lee District. There are a total of 40 trees on site at the time of the tree survey and 39 trees are proposed to be removed from the site. This includes a number of invasive tree species, including for invasive Cuban laurels one invasive queen palm when invasive your tree. 17 Cabbage Palms for Live oaks for strangler. Figs 3 p countries to put a car pastries when Casey a witch has been determined to be invasive. Buyer city arborist when sugar Berry and one Magnolia. The applicant is exceeding the tree mitigation requirements per code. And there are no grand trees located on the subject site. An initial transportation concurrency analysis was completed and determine the produce. A proposed site plan to be de minimis and did not require a full traffic study. The application received development Review committee signed off on SEPTEMBER 5th 2025. Steph is found the proposed site plan. 24 s p 0, 9, to comply with all required standards for a view of site plan. Petitions and recommends approval with the conditions as outlined in the staff report. I'm happy to answer any questions. Just >> I just question is regards to the buffer in the back. When this came before us My issue was just the parking lot being at rear of the residential houses better to the south of the property. And what's that? What's besides the trees? What's going to prevent the automobile noise from traveling. Basically at the the bedroom of these individual houses that are to the South. And headlights and all those things. >> Well, I believe that parking spaces are mainly on the northern part of the parking lot. But aside from the trees, that is the buffer and they are meeting the buffer requirements per code. >> So so there's nothing. There's nothing in the code as far as a light. It's just because the trees won't be mature when they the foliage the trees. While. >> For automobile lights. >> There's nothing in the code for that. >> There's not anything in the code for headlights, but there are lighting requirements as far as like the parking lot line on cell phone. And I'm speaking like someone hoops whose parking their car. 2 o'clock in the morning or whatever. And lights are shining into the back of the homes. You know, there's nothing in the code about the headlights. >> does appear to be 6 foot high fence. But I guess the applicant can speak to Yeah, that what type of fences board on board. I don't that's existing or proposed. It seems like the proposed. It's and I think some people, some of the properties that are there of what I saw had they have their own to have their own rent. They have some And I saw I think one. There's a couple different wooden fence and whatnot. But what are what is this project proposing? >> a 6 foot high fence. What type? I'm not sure the for the >> that's my only question wasn't a proponent of putting parking lot of people's backyard, but I think the parking is oriented away from the from you're think the best they look, looks like they're pointed toward the start the new structure. That's that's assuming people Park forward. And it's Boise when the backup human. And I always like the back and because I'm not the best person backing out. This classic. Sarah no backing in rules that. >> There is a fence, though, correct? Six-foot high board onboard fence. >> On South property line. And that should block. I have no other questions. Kind of kind of the same corollary from the city side when an applicant comes in with this kind of project. Is there any undertaking by city staff to facilitate or discuss maximizing the? >> Capacity of the site for especially for a tenable for the housing. I know. I mean, as I read. And knowing it's a city goal. And as I read the code, I mean, that would be a benefit to the community and something that. I would hope is discussed or considered. Is that a normal part of the intake process on a site plan for a project of this sort are not, if not, why not? >> It can be part of the consideration, but we're looking at whether the proposal meets technical review per code. Okay. So it's not maximizing something. There's no undertaking by city staff to try to coax a >> additional development capacity on a site like this. Now. Okay. All right. That's it. Thank you. No questions. I do not have any questions. All right. That brings us to citizens since there are no affected persons often up to citizens. We don't have any of those either. Okay. So that will be rebuttal for city staff. Correct for applicant. So I just want to clarify on that southern boundary. We do have a brand new. >> board on board fence. So I'd like to go through it. And even if there's an existing fence on the we're going to be put in our offense with landscaping along that side, that. The trees will be growing. >> And to MISTER Sounds the question. I did speak to hear the neighbors to our South. And one of the concerns headlight lights coming into properties. And that was part of the reason wanted to put a fence up as well. So because technically that would not be required right? Any further discussion. It will close the hearing. I any discussion on that. >> reluctantly moved to. A proven not let the perfect be the enemy of the good hold on a second. Still feel that if you modify it. Based on the evidence in the record put the stands review, I'm going to adopt a move that we adopt a motion to find site plan. 24 dash sp does 0, 9, consistent with the. >> True protection ordinance be difficult criteria of 4, Dash 506, of the zoning code and approved petitions subject to the for rated. A recommended conditions in our materials. >> All right, MISTER Yes. MISTER Christie. Yes, unfortunately. MISTER Clermont us, MISTER. Many yes, motion passes 4 to 0. It's going to the public hearing, which Mireles phase for site plan. 25 dash sp Dash 11. I think the 30 day today. Again, Joe Friedman, Freeman, the talk consulting have been sworn. Chris Gallagher Hood, our tax. Jake, Jake Smith the Affordable Group. Russell serves on housing. Cameras, park face for. >> This will be the final phase here today. Representing. Just the housing authority there. The owners of the property. Show this map on the other one. This is the overlay district and you can see where this is located within the overlay. That was the property before. But anyway. Get an aerial out here. I can see it. Here's the property outlined in red. I will point out that this little dog leg or whatever you want to call it here has been now. Can taken out of the site and put toward the built Boys and Girls Club? That is leasing these properties here. You'll be seeing that in the future. By the way, they're going to be doing a brand new facility. So it's very exciting about that. So we're here to talk about a site plan in the g's owning district. So you'll be making a recommendation to the city Commission. As I said, this is a 2.0, 1, 4, 5, acre site that's in the overlay zone. G. Zoning map is pretty straightforward order to go. It said you can see it's right in the center of that g zoning area right here. Around it by Amaryllis Park. Housing Authority overlay district allows up to 25 units an acre in this case. So this phase is going to include 61 units into buildings. We show you the site plan here. You can see ghosted out is phase 3 down here and then across to some drivers space, too. Here's phase one that's constructed. Phase 3 is under construction right now. Phase 2 is one is actually off the paper there. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. Phase one is here. This is off a 3. Thank you, Chris. Originally was part of phase 3 but was moved into this final phase for a variety of reasons. Gives more units to be developed during this phase funding, etcetera, etcetera. Jake can in William can answer any of that. But it works out really well. And you can see these are the actual grand trees on the site. They were able to work around. So that was really fortunate how that all worked out. These are 3 story buildings, as I mentioned. 61 units into buildings. There are there were 32 single storey buildings on the site before this. So we're going from technically from 31. 32 61. Staff report does summarize the tree numbers say he said. So in this. The unit makes a little 36 one-bedroom units, 13, 2 bedroom and 12, 3 bedroom units. The project complies with all the housing authority overlay district regulations. Someone asked, Chris, if you I know to go into the New Mexican. 36 one-bedroom, 13 to bend and 12, 3. Yeah, I don't have much to Jones said this is the 4th phase that started several years ago with a camera was park place which is faces out an Orange Ave. >> This is original 1940's development here. So it's a he's a well do for renovation. Walk like the face to face before regional in Rose Park Place was fussy news. These and more for a family. So these are all walk-ups this completes that there is also when we did phase 2, put in a community amenity center in there as well. So all of these all of these buildings, we use that same community center, the access for these buildings is. A very much already in Greg Street to the West and then the access going out on 21st Street in the north as those already in place to put in place turning. So Greg Court Greg Street was there all along. But phase 2 completed the access and North. These look very much phase 2, again and simple. 3 story buildings again, split evenly to from buildings. One with 25 units, one with 31 units. 36 units. 25 36. So quickly going through the review criteria. Again, the first one do we need to develop and regulations? We do. >> Is a compatible with the city planned. This is obviously part of the housing authority overlay. We're meeting the regulations. So that's consistent with the city plan. All the information has been provided that's necessary for the review. I'm pretty much as far as could this be changed to mitigate any impacts? This all along was really contemplated when the master plan and the whole idea for the redevelopment of Amaryllis Park was going about. >> Pretty much maximizing the number of units being allowed on the site. Basically we're having to have joint use agreement because each little parcel MAY not comply like this is a little bit more dense. So there's extra density that was here. So we moved it over here. So again, this is all pretty pretty well maxed out. Next one is 5, 6, as far as parking. Now in this case, we are not meeting one to one is Jake's as they try to do that. But we do comply with the overall parking requirement, as you can see from the plan. There's quite a bit of parking in the in the whole plan. Effective the overlay again. Thank you. So again, we think we're providing enough parking for the project. And number 7 compliance with the Tree Protection ordinance. And again, this worked out very well where we can work around the 2 grand trees that are there all other trees to be mitigated and again, very exciting to finally see this thing. It started many years ago I can remember the year phase one started. You're just a young child and opened the Emerald Park place up and up. And 22 22 opened So that after construction. So. We're very excited about this. I think I mentioned phase 3 is under construction now. So things are happening out there. He questions. Question, but it's not really germane to the site plan, but I'm just curious. >> MISTER Russell, who's going to be doing the management of these is that going to be the investor or with the housing Authority be doing management and maintenance Solis. Initially it's going to be in dc as a private management Brinton and they're currently managing emeralds Park Place and Cypress Square right now. >> ok, that's not the investor, but it's it's a management company that. Are co developer. Has hired. >> And how long? How long is that in place for him before the Housing Authority assumes responsibility? >> That's a complicated question. But I mean, technically. Technically we could step in and manage it after stabilization. So for the first 2 or 3 years. But then they would have to accept it. The partnership. Which can get a little if still have developer fees that are owed to them, we'd have to pay them out. And we and then we have to put a operating guarantees to the investor sense, not. It's not a simple thing, but its spot as a So >> from the from the lessons learned from the development Central with Gardens did you all? Any language into the agreement that gives you the ability. 2. Spruce up the place so that it doesn't become dilapidated. So as when the investor is out of the projects, you're not just handed a dilapidated building, sort of kind of like what you can begin with James guarding. >> so one of things. That we changed, you know, Michael's was our first development partner and they own their own management company. And so we kind of learn from that and decided we're not going to. Partner with a developer that on their own management company because if they're not performing, they're not going to the line of fire themselves. But in this case, there's no identity Ventura. So if you know, if ndc is not performing, if they're not maintain the property. We can either step in and take over. We can cause them to be replaced by another manager in Asia. So >> and that can be done without you. Paid, correct? Okay. >> All right. Sounds good. But we intentionally did that because. They're not. They don't have any. Financial relationship for ownership. Interest and the current manager, an agent. And so if they need to be changed, they need to be changed. I agree. Okay. Thank you for asking that question. No other questions. MISTER Christie. Same issue again, I can tell our materials what our actual capacity would have been at the site, given the acreage. And I realize it's unusual kind of lay out. But you. >> believe testimony, Joel, is that it? You think you've already maximized? But just