Special City Commission Meeting

r MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL SARASOTA CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF APRIL 11, 2025 -PRESENT: Mayor Liz Alpert, presiding, Vice Mayor Debbie Trice, Commissioners Jen Ahearn-Koch , Kyle Scott Battie (arrived at 1 :04 A.M .), and Kathy Kelley Ohlrich, City Auditor and Clerk Shayla Griggs, Interim City Manager Douglas Jeffcoat, and City Attorney Joseph Polzak ABSENT: None 1:03:34 P.M. The meeting was called to order by Mayor Alpert at 1 :03 P.M . 1 :03:51 P.M. INVOCATION: City Auditor and Clerk Griggs 1:04:08 P.M. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE : Commissioner Ahearn-Koch 1:05:04 P.M. PLEDGE OF PUBLIC CONDUCT: City Auditor and Clerk Griggs 1:05:12 P.M. 1. CITIZENS' INPUT CONCERNING CITY TOPICS (AGENDA ITEM I) 1 :05:55 P.M. Citizens' Input received from an individual in the Chambers at City Hall . 1 :09:08 P .M. 2. DISCUSSION RE: CITY MANAGER FINALIST LIST AND NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS (AGENDA ITEM 11-1 ) 1:09:28 P.M. Human Resources Director Stacie Mason, Human Resources (HR) Department, and Colin Baenziger, Senior Partner, Colin Baenziger & Associates (CBA), came before the Commission . 1:09:55 P.M. City Attorney Polzak spoke to the topic and stated that the Commission is recommended to commence with the Sarasota City Manager Candidate List (List) with 51 candidates, make motions, and decide how to winnow the List of 51 applicants in order to avoid any issues with transparency and Florida Government-in-the-Sunshine Public Records Law (Public Records Law). 1 :11 :07 P.M. Ms. Mason stated that candidate Kelly Kirschner withdrew from the applicant pool. City Auditor and Clerk Griggs left and returned to the Dais at 1:11 P.M . Book 69 Page 40952 04/11/25 1:00 P.M .

1:12:30 P.M. Citizens' Input received from an individual in the Chambers at City Hall. Interim City Manager Jeffcoat left the Dais at 1 :12 P.M. 1:18:36 P.M. Book 69 04/11/25 Page 40953 1:00 P.M. City Attorney Polzak reiterated the recommendation for the Commission to commence with the List containing all of the applicants. 1:18:48 P.M. Questions posed by Commissioner Ahearn-Koch were addressed by the City Attorney. 1:20:28 P.M. Mayor Alpert requested, and Ms. Mason addressed why backup material was not included with the Agenda Item, and City Auditor and Clerk Griggs distributed to the Commission the List of the 51 applicants which will be placed in the record, and Commissioner Ohlrich requested the Commission is provided the applicants who have withdrawn from the City Manager search. 1 :21 :52 P.M. Commissioner Battie spoke to the topic and voiced concerns regarding issues of transparency. 1 :23:28 P.M. Vice Mayor Trice spoke to the City Attorney's recommendation and requested the HR Director and Mr. Baenziger to announce for the public and Commission the applicants who have withdrawn, the applicants recommended to the Commission in the professional opinion of CBA, and the applicants who the Commissioners reviewed and requested CBA to provide more information, and the City Attorney spoke to the recommendation provided. City Auditor and Clerk Griggs left and returned to the Dais at 1 :23 P.M. 1 :26:51 P.M. Deputy City Manager Patrick "Pat" Robinson, City Manager's Office, came before the Commission and requested Ms. Mason and Mr. Baenziger to provide the candidates who withdrew from the City Manager search to the Commission which was provided. City Attorney Polzak left and returned to his seat at 1 :27 P.M. 1 :30:19 P.M. City Attorney Polzak stated that the belief is for posterity and the record, a motion is recommended to detail the total population of applicants on the table for Commission discussion and consideration in order for Commissioners to individually decide who they recommend moving forward and to determine the process desired by the Commission regarding the applicants. 1 :30:51 P.M. A motion was made by Commissioner Ohlrich, seconded by Commissioner Battie to accept the Sarasota City Manager Candidate List with 51 candidates, dated February 10, 2025, and subtract the four candidates who withdrew their application, which carried by a 5-0 vote.

City Auditor and Clerk Griggs left and returned to her seat at 1 :32 P.M. 1:31 :50 P.M. Mayor Alpert stated that there are 47 candidates before the Commission for discussion and consideration. 1:32:12 P.M. City Attorney Polzak requested, and the HR Director displayed on the Chambers monitors the "Sarasota City Manager Candidate List" dated February 10, 2025. 1:33:25 P.M. Vice Mayor Trice requested Staff to add the 13 candidates recommended by CBA to the record, and the HR Director displayed on the Chambers monitors a table entitled "Sarasota, FL Summary of Preferences for City Manager" and pointed to the "Recommended by CBA" column indicating the applicant who has withdrawn, the applicants whom the Commission received additional information, and the applicants in which additional information has not been received. 1:38:24 P.M. Questions posed by Commissioner Battie were addressed by the Vice Mayor, and Ms. Mason provided input. City Auditor and Clerk Griggs left and returned to the Dais at 1 :41 P.M. 1:44:08 P.M. Commissioner Ohlrich provided input regarding how to move the City Manager search process forward and stated that there is a strong rationale for listening to the guidance of CBA by moving forward with the 13 candidates and requesting additional information on the five of the 13 candidates of whom the Commission does not have the complete background information. 1:45:02 P. M. Commissioner Ahearn-Koch voiced concerns regarding the City Manager search process which is not favored and spoke in favor of stopping the current process, retaining the current applicants, and recommence the City Manager search process from the very beginning; that Commission discussion is sought about what is desired from a search firm, what is desired from a candidate, and what does the Commission desire the City Manager search process to look like going forward. 1:42:19 P.M. Mayor Alpert requested and Christine Robinson, Executive Director, The Argus Foundation came before the Commission and provided some guidance on to how to make the City Manager search process more transparent, and Mayor Alpert posed questions about what is going to make the City Manager search process more transparent were addressed by Ms. Robinson. 1 :55:29 P.M. City Attorney Polzak provided input and stated that the belief is the Commission should reboot the City Manager search process since a motion was made to commence with the entire candidate pool and the Commission should restart from there, set a future Commission-related Meeting with all the appropriate backup material attached, and at this meeting try to decide what the Commission desires to see out of the City Manager search process. Book 69 04/11/25 Page 40954 1:00 P.M.

1:56:16 P.M. Book 69 04/11/25 Page 40955 1:00 P.M. The Commission continued to pose questions and provide input regarding the next steps of the City Manager search process. 2:09:27 P.M. A motion was made by Commissioner Ahearn-Koch to pause the current City Manager search process, retain the current Sarasota City Manager Candidate List, and commence back at step one with the Human Resources Director, and the Mayor sought clarification of the motion which was addressed by Commissioner Ahearn-Koch and the Vice Mayor provided input. 2:10:09 P.M. Question posed by Commissioner Ahearn-Koch was addressed by Ms. Mason and the City Auditor and Clerk, and Commissioner Ahearn-Koch provided additional information regarding the motion. 2:11 :28 P.M. Commissioner Ahearn-Koch reiterated the motion which is to pause the current City Manager search process, retain the current Sarasota City Manager Candidate List, and the Commission will meet to discuss the City Manager search process, what is being sought in a candidate, and how the process is going to be, Commissioner Ohlrich seconded the motion, and the City Auditor and Clerk posed a question regarding whether the motion includes to reexamine search firms which was addressed by Commissioner Ahearn-Koch who stated that CBA is perfectly able to reapply, however, after the Commission decides the process and what the desired qualifications are. 2:11 :59 P.M. Interim City Manager Jeffcoat sought clarification of the motion which was addressed by Commissioner Ahearn-Koch. 2:14:17 P.M. The Vice Mayor spoke to the motion which is not favored. 2:15:43 P.M. Commissioner Ahearn-Koch spoke to the motion. 2:16:39 P.M. Commissioner Ohlrich spoke to the motion. 2:17:31 P.M. Commissioner Battie spoke to the motion. 2:20:24 P.M. Mayor Alpert spoke to the motion which is not favored.

, F 2:22:34 P.M. Mayor Alpert called for a vote on the motion to pause the current City Manager search process, retain the current Sarasota City Manager Candidate List, commence back at step one with the Human Resources Director, and the Commission will meet to discuss the City Manager search process, what is being sought in a candidate, and how the process is going to be, which failed by a 1-4 vote with Mayor Alpert, Vice Mayor Trice, and Commissioners Battie and Ohlrich voting no. 2:23:53 P.M. City Attorney Polzak stated that the City Attorney's Office will collaborate with the Human Resources Director and CBA to recommence the City Manager search process with the current Sarasota City Manager Candidate List. 2:24:40 P.M. Ms. Mason summarized today's discussion. 2:26:48 P.M. The Commission continued to pose questions, which were addressed, and provide input. 2:42:41 P.M. A motion was made by Vice Mayor Trice, and seconded by Commissioner Ohlrich to direct Staff to place on a future Commission-related Meeting Agenda the full Sarasota City Manager Candidate List with backup material in which the Commission will conduct winnowing . 2:43:14 P.M. Commissioner Ahearn-Koch sought clarification of the motion which was addressed by the City Attorney. 2:43:54 P.M. Mayor Alpert spoke to the motion. 2:44:14 P.M. Mayor Alpert called for a vote on the motion to direct Staff to place on a future Commission-related Meeting Agenda the full Sarasota City Manager Candidate List with backup material in which the Commission will conduct winnowing, which carried by a 5-0 vote. 2:44:27 P.M. The Commission spoke to the process for winnowing the current Sarasota City Manager Candidate List, and Ms . Mason and the City Attorney provided input. 2:49:51 P.M. A motion was made by Vice Mayor Trice, seconded by Commissioner Ohlrich to direct Staff to schedule the next Commission-related Meeting regarding the City Manager search in order for the Commission to create a provisional semifinalist list, by each Commissioner listing their desired candidates individually and audibly, which carried by a 5-0 vote . Book 69 04/11/25 Page 40956 1:00 P.M.

Book 69 Page 40957 04/11/25 1:00 P.M. 2:51 :17 P.M. Mayor Alpert spoke in favor of Staff scheduling the next Commission-related Meeting regarding the City Manager search prior to May 22, 2025, and Ms. Mason and the City Attorney provided input. 2:52:49 P.M. Questions posed by the Vice Mayor were addressed by Mr. Baenziger and Ms. Mason. 2:57:26 P.M. 4. ADJOURN {AGENDA ITEM IV) The Commission adjourned at 2:57 P.M. t., \' f._.... Ll 4 T~ . ATtEST:.J ,-, ·,,:.._-:{I F!/!£1!&---- - -- c-, '"""' " :(; Ri1..:11..:1.:> CITY AUDITOR AND CLERK

Liz Alpert Mayor Vice Mayor Debbie Trice Commissioner Jen Ahearn-Koch Commissioner Kyle Battie Commissioner Kathy Kelley Ohlrich SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING OF APRIL 11, 2025 WELCOME to a Special meeting of the City Commission. This Agenda includes all matters scheduled to come before the Commission at this meeting. It is prepared to help you follow the proceedings of the meeting. Your interest is appreciated, and we invite your comments. Input from citizens is important; we need and welcome it. Citizens’ Input Concerning City Topics – Citizens desiring to speak are allowed three (3) minutes. Remember, appearances before the Commission are not a substitute for attempting to resolve your issue(s) through the appropriate administrative channels. Citizens’ Input is to allow citizens the opportunity to present their view on matters concerning City topics but not on items scheduled elsewhere on the Agenda. Questions and answers shall not be permitted. Matters presented to the Commission may be referred by the Mayor, with consensus of the Commission, to the Administration for action and possible follow-up at a future Commission meeting. We expect that citizens have first attempted to speak directly with the City’s Administration. If you wish to address the Commission, you have the option of speaking during the "Citizens' Input" portion of the Agenda or at the time of a particular agenda item. Please fill out a "Request To Speak" Form. These forms are located on the table at the back of the Commission Chambers. Fill out the form completely and place it in the box on the table. Please indicate which option you choose by checking the appropriate box on the "Request to Speak" Form. Agenda Items for which citizens' comments are not permitted are noted in the left margin of the Agenda. In general, these will be items on which a public hearing has previously been held. If you wish to speak on a topic concerning the City that is not on the Agenda, please indicate the subject you wish to discuss on the "Request To Speak" Form. When your name is called, please come to the Commission table and first state your name for the record. Please remember that there is a time limit of three minutes. The City Auditor and Clerk will forward all Request to Speak forms to the Mayor. When the Mayor calls your name, come to the Commission table, and restate your name for the record. We ask that your comments be limited to the subject of the Agenda Item. Remember, we are always happy to listen to your comments; however, this is not intended to be an extended question and answer session. Again, the City Commission thanks you for taking the time to participate in our meeting. LIZ ALPERT Mayor 1

SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING CITY HALL 1565 First Street Sarasota, Florida April 11, 2025 City Commission Chambers 1:00 PM I. CITIZEN'S INPUT CONCERNING CITY TOPICS: (Limited to 30 minutes) Note to the Public: At this time, citizens may address the Commission on topics concerning the City. (3 minutes per person time limit) Citizen's Input is to allow citizens the opportunity to present their view on matters concerning City topics but not on items scheduled elsewhere on the Agenda or items that were the subject of a previously held public hearing which has been closed and Commission deliberations continued to a future date. Questions and answers shall not be permitted; however, matters presented to the Commission may be referred by the Mayor, with consensus of the Commission, to the Administration for action and possible follow-up at a future Commission meeting. II. AGENDA ITEMS: II.1 Discussion Re: City Manager finalist list and next steps in the process II.1 Agenda Request Form.pdf III. OTHER MATTERS/ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS: IV. ADJOURN AGENDA CALL MEETING TO ORDER INVOCATION PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLEDGE OF PUBLIC CONDUCT MEETING NOTICE 2

Meeting Notice 4-11-25 Special Meeting Notice.pdf City Commission Rules of Procedure CC.RulesofProcedure.AdoptedApril15-2024.pdf REQUEST TO SPEAK CARDS & ITEMS RECEIVED AT THE MEETING April 11, 2025 Special Mtg Speaker Cards.pdf April 11, 2025 Special Mtg Items Received.pdf CITY COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE REQUEST TO SPEAK CARDS & ITEMS RECEIVED AT THE MEETING 3

Shayla Griggs City Auditor and Clerk Notice to the Public The City of Sarasota is committed to providing qualified disabled individuals an opportunity to participate in meetings of the City Commission. The City of Sarasota prohibits discrimination in all services, programs, or activities on the basis of race, color, national origin, age, disability, sex or gender, marital or familial status, religion, sexual orientation, veteran status, or genetic information. Persons with disabilities who require assistance or alternative means for communication of program information such as Braille, large print, audiotape, etc., should contact: The City of Sarasota ADA Coordinator, Jake Brown, at (941) 263-6299 or by email at adacoordinator@sarasotafl.gov. In accordance with the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and Section 286.26, Florida Statutes, persons with disabilities needing special accommodation to participate in a meeting should contact the ADA Coordinator at (941) 263-6299 at least two business days prior to the date of the meeting as to the nature of the auxiliary aids and/or service necessary. Every effort will be made to provide such aid or service to the extent that they are reasonable, do not result in undue financial or administrative burden, and do not alter the fundamental nature of the meeting. Consideration will be given to the individual's preferred aid or service. However, alternatives may be provided if in the City's determination such alternatives provide an effective means of communication. For the benefit of individuals utilizing hearing aids with a T-coil, the City Commission Chambers and SRQ Media Studio are outfitted with a Hearing Induction Loop for enhanced hearing assistance. Proceedings will be electronically recorded. Should an individual feel that a verbatim transcription of the proceedings may later be needed, said individual has the burden and expense of arranging for same. Copies of the electronic recording may be purchased from the Office of the City Auditor and Clerk. 4

file:///C/Users/JJohnson/Desktop/25-04-11-CommissionSpecial.txt[4/14/2025 8:36:26 AM] SARASOTA CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING FRIDAY, APRIL 11, 2025, 1:00 P.M. DISCLAIMER: THIS FILE REPRESENTS AN UNEDITED VERSION OF REALTIME CAPTIONING WHICH SHOULD NEITHER BE RELIED UPON FOR COMPLETE ACCURACY NOR USED AS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT. ANY PERSON WHO NEEDS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS MAY NEED TO HIRE A COURT REPORTER. 01:03:34 >>Mayor Alpert: ALL RIGHT. WELCOME EVERYBODY -- 01:03:36 [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] 01:03:36 -- TO OUR FRIDAY, APRIL 11, SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING 01:03:44 IN 2025. 01:03:45 WE WILL ASK THE CITY AUDITOR AND CLERK FOR THE INVOCATION. 01:03:50 >>Shayla Griggs: PLEASE STAND. 01:03:51 HEAVENLY FATHER, WE AFFIRM OUR FAITH IN THEE. 01:03:57 WE SEEK YOUR DIVINE STRENGTH, WISDOM, AND GUIDANCE IN THE 01:03:59 DELIBERATIONS THAT AFFECT THE LIVES OF EACH OF THE CITIZENS 01:04:01 OF OUR COMMUNITY. 01:04:02 IN THY NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. 01:04:04 >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH, WOULD YOU LEAD US 01:04:06 IN THE PLEDGE? 01:04:08 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] 01:04:25 >>Mayor Alpert: OKAY. 01:04:26 ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDER OF THE DAY? 01:04:28 >>Shayla Griggs: NO, MADAM MAYOR. 01:04:30 THANK YOU. 01:04:38 >>Vice-Mayor Trice: SHOULD I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE AGENDA 01:04:40 AS PUBLISHED? 01:04:41 >>Shayla Griggs: WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE 01:04:45 DON'T NECESSARILY DO THAT -- THERE'S ONLY ONE ITEM. 01:04:50 >>Mayor Alpert: WE'RE GOING TO START WITH CITIZENS' INPUT, 01:04:53 GENERAL CITIZENS' INPUT. 01:04:56 IF MS. GRIGGS WOULD READ THE PLEDGE OF PUBLIC CONDUCT. 01:05:00 ALSO, IF YOU HAVEN'T, GO AHEAD AND PUT YOUR PHONES ON 01:05:02 SILENT. 01:05:03 >>Shayla Griggs: THANK YOU, MAYOR. 01:05:04 WE MAY DISAGREE BUT WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER. 01:05:08 WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO ISSUES. 01:05:10 WE WILL NOT ENGAGE IN PERSONAL ATTACKS. 01:05:12 >>Mayor Alpert: MARTIN HYDE. 01:05:24 >> CAME AS AN ACTUAL PROP MYSELF TODAY, WHICH IS WHY THERE 01:05:29 IS NO SUIT AND TIE. 01:05:30 I'LL EXPLAIN THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE MEAT OF THE MEETING. 01:05:36 >>Mayor Alpert: I GUESS SINCE IT'S NOT DURING AN ELECTION, 01:05:39 WE'LL STOP YOUR TIME A SECOND. 01:05:42 >> I CAN PUT MY HAND OVER IT. 01:05:44 IT IS A POSTELECTION THING. 01:05:46 HE WON. 01:05:47 I MIGHT AS WELL HAVE AN LBJ SHIRT.

file:///C/Users/JJohnson/Desktop/25-04-11-CommissionSpecial.txt[4/14/2025 8:36:26 AM] 01:05:53 IT'S NOT EXACTLY SECRET EITHER. 01:05:55 IN ANY EVENT, A COUPLE OF THINGS, ONE ACTUALLY HAPPENED THIS 01:06:01 MORNING AND JUST FOR POLICING ISSUE, I WAS AT FIRST WATCH 01:06:08 HAVING BREAKFAST WITH A GUY APPEAR HAVING SOME KIND OF 01:06:14 MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, WHOLE SHEBANG THAT WENT WITH IT. 01:06:19 ADULT BEING ATTACKED OR WHATEVER ELSE. 01:06:22 ANYWAY, TO THE POINT, LOTS OF PEOPLE WITH THEIR CELL PHONE 01:06:25 CAMERAS OUT. 01:06:26 LOTS OF PEOPLE, CONCERNED CITIZENS, WHATEVER ELSE. 01:06:28 I SAT THERE AND ATE MY WHOLE BREAKFAST, AND I'M NOT THAT 01:06:32 FAST OF AN EATER, BEFORE THE POLICE ARRIVED. 01:06:35 MORE THAN TEN MINUTES. 01:06:37 AND THAT WAS A CONCERN, BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, IT TAKES BUT 01:06:41 A FEW SECONDS. 01:06:42 NOW, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT BEING IN THE RIGHT PLACE 01:06:45 INSTANTLY, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT DOWNTOWN. 01:06:49 SOMEBODY BREAKS SOMETHING, PICKS IT UP, GOD FORBIDS HAVE A 01:06:52 NICE, WHATEVER ELSE, WE HAVE A TRAGEDY ON OUR HANDS. 01:06:55 I THINK RIGHT IN THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN, RIGHT THERE, I WOULD 01:06:58 EXPECT A LITTLE QUICKER THAN TEN MINUTES. 01:07:00 SOMETHING WHICH PERHAPS MR. ROBINSON CAN LOOK INTO. 01:07:04 I THOUGHT IT WAS TARDY CONSIDERING THE PROXIMITY OF THE 01:07:06 NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT WE'VE GOT. 01:07:08 TO THE BROADER POINT, I WATCHED THE WORKSHOP THIS MORNING. 01:07:13 FORGET THE SUBJECT ITSELF, BECAUSE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT 01:07:17 LATER, BUT I THINK SOMETIMES YOU MISS THE POINT. 01:07:23 I'VE BEEN TRYING THIS A LONG TIME, TRYING TO SWAY PEOPLE 01:07:25 OVER TO MY SIDE. 01:07:27 IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A MUSLIM TO BE A CHRISTIAN AND 01:07:30 ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET SOMEBODY WHO IS IN AN OPPOSING 01:07:34 ANGLE. 01:07:35 TO ME, THE IDEA OF THE WORKSHOP IS FOR YOU TO EACH EXPRESS 01:07:40 YOUR VIEWS, FOR EACH OF YOU TO THEN GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE 01:07:44 GENERAL DIRECTION IS. 01:07:46 COMMISSIONER AHEARN-KOCH SAID JUST BEFORE THE MEETING IN THE 01:07:49 RECESS, CAREFUL, THE MIKE IS ON. 01:07:51 IT WASN'T YOU. 01:07:53 SOMEBODY ELSE. 01:07:53 OH, IT WAS YOU. 01:07:55 THEN EVEN WORSE. 01:07:57 TRYING TO BURY THE TRUTH. 01:07:58 THE WORST PART OF THAT WAS THAT THE MIKES WERE ON FOR THE 01:08:02 NEXT HOUR AND A HALF AND THERE WERE JUST SOME GOLDEN LINES. 01:08:07 I HAVE TO REMIND YOU THAT PEOPLE CAN WATCH THIS AND SEE 01:08:09 THIS. 01:08:10 COMMISSIONER TRICE SAID THAT THE NEXT CITY COMMISSION IN 19 01:08:14 MONTHS WILL BE DIFFERENT. 01:08:15 TO WHICH I'D ASK, DO YOU PROMISE? 01:08:19 [ LAUGHTER ] 01:08:19 I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU. 01:08:20 >>Vice-Mayor Trice: I WILL NOT BE ON IT. 01:08:23 THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

file:///C/Users/JJohnson/Desktop/25-04-11-CommissionSpecial.txt[4/14/2025 8:36:26 AM] 01:08:25 >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU. 01:08:27 IN A GENERAL SENSE, WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, AND YOU'RE NOT 01:08:33 HERE TO BE COLLEGIAL, BUT WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FOR EACH 01:08:37 OF YOU TO ACCEPT UNLIKELY TO CHANGE THE OTHER'S OPINION AND 01:08:42 SIMPLY LISTEN, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AND TRY TO DO THE MATH ON 01:08:45 YOUR HANDS AS TO WHERE A POSITION IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO 01:08:50 GO. 01:08:51 I'LL MENTION THE OTHER STUFF WHEN WE GET TO IT. 01:08:54 WITH REGARD TO POLICE THING, I THINK WE COULD DO A LITTLE 01:08:57 BETTER THAN TEN MINUTES. 01:08:58 >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 01:08:59 ALL RIGHT. 01:09:08 THE ONE AND ONLY -- I THINK IT IS THE ONE AND ONLY AGENDA 01:09:13 ITEM ON THIS SPECIAL MEETING IS REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER 01:09:20 FINALIST LIST. 01:09:21 SO I'M GOING TO CALL ON HR DIRECTOR MASON AND COLIN 01:09:28 BAENZIGER AND ASSOCIATES TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION. 01:09:34 >>Stacie Mason: STACIE MASON, HR DIRECTOR, FOR THE RECORD. 01:09:37 WE ARE BACK FROM THE WORKSHOP FROM THIS MORNING TO TALK MORE 01:09:41 ABOUT THE CANDIDATES AND THE PROCESS FOR GATHERING THE 01:09:47 BACKGROUNDS. 01:09:49 >>Joseph Polzak: IF WE COULD, LIKE TO JUMP IN AND DO A 01:09:52 LITTLE RESET HERE, IF I MAY. 01:09:53 >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. 01:09:55 >>Joseph Polzak: MAYOR, THANK YOU. 01:09:56 AS WE ALL SO HIGHLY VALUE THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE 01:10:02 LEGITIMACY OF THIS PROCESS, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING AS WE ALL 01:10:06 RECOGNIZED HOW IMPORTANT THE SEARCH IS GOING FORWARD, I 01:10:08 THINK WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS FOR THIS MEETING, YOU GUYS 01:10:13 START FRESH WITH ALL OF THE 51 APPLICANTS THAT WE'VE 01:10:16 RECEIVED ON THE TABLE, AND THEN MOVE FROM THERE. 01:10:20 TAKE SOME MOTIONS, OR WHATNOT, AND DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO DO 01:10:23 WINNOWING FROM THAT LIST, THAT TOTAL POPULATION OF 51, AND 01:10:30 WHO YOU WANT TO WINNOW FROM THE 51. 01:10:32 I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT FRESH FROM THE TOTAL POPULATION 01:10:34 OF 51 APPLICANTS AND GO FROM THERE AT THIS MEETING. 01:10:42 >>Mayor Alpert: DID YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY? 01:10:45 >>Joseph Polzak: THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION. 01:10:47 I THINK TO AVOID ANY ISSUES OF TRANSPARENCY OR SUNSHINE, 01:10:50 THAT NO LEGAL ISSUES ARE RAISED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. 01:10:54 IT'S BEST THAT WE JUST START FRESH WITH THE TOTAL POOL OF 51 01:10:58 APPLICANTS AND YOU GUYS DECIDE HERE PUBLICLY TODAY IN FULL 01:11:02 TRANSPARENCY HOW YOU WANT TO WINNOW AND WHO YOU WANT TO 01:11:03 WINNOW DOWN FROM HERE. 01:11:07 >>Stacie Mason: IF I COULD, MAYOR, IN ADDITION TO THAT AND I 01:11:10 THINK MUCH DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM, BUT WE DID LEARN WITHIN 01:11:13 THE LAST HOUR OR SO THAT KELLY KIRSCHNER DID WITHDRAW FROM 01:11:18 THE APPLICANT POOL. 01:11:19 WE DO KNOW THAT 41 HAS CULLED DOWN A LITTLE BIT, TOO. 01:11:25 WE'LL DISCUSS THE NUMBER YOU WANT TO LOOK AT. 01:11:27 BECAUSE SOME OTHER INDIVIDUALS HAVE GOT PLACEMENT IN

file:///C/Users/JJohnson/Desktop/25-04-11-CommissionSpecial.txt[4/14/2025 8:36:26 AM] 01:11:30 DIFFERENT POSITIONS FROM THE 41 -- OR 51, RATHER. 01:11:33 >>Mayor Alpert: WE'LL NEED TO KNOW WHO THE 10 ARE THAT 01:11:38 DROPPED OUT. 01:11:39 CORRECT, STACIE? 01:11:41 >>Stacie Mason: YES. 01:11:42 >>Mayor Alpert: WE'LL WANT TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE. 01:11:44 WHO WE HAVE LEFT, I GUESS. 01:11:46 IS THAT YOUR PRESENTATION AT THIS POINT? 01:11:54 >>Stacie Mason: YES. 01:11:54 >>Mayor Alpert: I HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO 01:11:56 SPEAK. 01:11:56 WE'LL CALL UPON THEM TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE. 01:12:01 WE ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE. 01:12:04 IF YOU WANT TO STAY, YOU CAN. 01:12:06 MARTIN HYDE AND CHRISTINE ROBINSON. 01:12:10 MR. HYDE AGAIN. 01:12:30 >> I CAN REVEAL WHY I WORE, NOTWITHSTANDING THE PREVIOUS 01:12:32 ELECTION RESULTS, BECAUSE IT PROVES SOMETHING VERY CLEARLY, 01:12:38 THAT WE DISCRIMINATE OR CHOOSE OR FEEL ABOUT THINGS 01:12:42 DIFFERENTLY WHEN WE SEE THEM IN REALITY THAN WHEN WE DO ON A 01:12:46 PIECE OF PROPERTY. 01:12:48 I'M TODAY'S PROP. 01:12:49 CLEARLY, YOU WOULDN'T HIRE ME. 01:12:50 I GET THAT. 01:12:51 THE POINT IS, TRYING TO PASS THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF FROM A 01:12:59 RESUMÉ IS POINTLESS BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN NECESSARILY FROM A 01:13:05 PERSPECTIVE OR A NARRATIVE. 01:13:08 IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU HAVE 25 OR 50, AND I HAVE A 01:13:11 SOLUTION FOR YOU THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE UNDER ACTIVE 01:13:15 CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE THE TALK OF AGE, COMMISSIONER BATTIE, 01:13:21 IN THE 50s, SIZE OF CURRENT CITY. 01:13:24 PROCESS OF MANAGEMENT IS THE SAME WHETHER YOU HAVE 500 01:13:27 EMPLOYEES OR 25. 01:13:28 OR EVEN THE NOTION THAT WE WOULD GOOGLE PEOPLE, USE THEIR 01:13:32 ALGORITHMS TO DETERMINE OR DECIDE WHETHER SOMEBODY'S LIFE 01:13:36 WAS A GOOD LIFE OR A BAD LIFE. 01:13:37 I KNOW FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULDN'T END WELL. 01:13:41 FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, IT MISSES THE POINT. 01:13:44 SO THERE IS A THING, SITUATION, PROBLEM, IMPLICATION, CAUSE 01:13:49 SPIN TO MAKE DECISION. 01:13:51 THE SITUATION, NEED A NEW CITY MANAGER. 01:13:53 PROBLEM, YOU HAVE FIVE PEOPLE TRYING TO AGREE ON SOMETHING 01:13:55 WHICH NECESSARILY IS DIFFICULT, AND THE IMPLICATION OF NOT 01:13:58 RESOLVING IT IS THAT MR. JEFFCOAT WILL BE HERE UNTIL HE IS 01:14:01 105. 01:14:03 TO THE POINT THAT YOU HAVE A NEED TO COME TO A RESOLUTION OF 01:14:07 SOME SORT THAT YOU CAN ALL LIVE WITH. 01:14:10 MY SUGGESTION IS A FAIRLY SIMPLE ONE. 01:14:13 IN THIS DAY AND AGE, IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT TO GET A 01:14:16 FIVE-MINUTE -- ABSOLUTELY LIMIT IT TO FIVE MINUTE VIDEO FROM 01:14:21 EACH AND EVERY APPLICANT THAT CHOOSES TO SEND ONE, PREFACED 01:14:24 WITH THE VERY SIMPLE QUESTION, WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE THE

file:///C/Users/JJohnson/Desktop/25-04-11-CommissionSpecial.txt[4/14/2025 8:36:26 AM] 01:14:29 CITY MANAGER OF SARASOTA AND WHAT WOULD YOU BRING IN TERMS 01:14:32 OF EXPERIENCE AND SKILLS TO THE JOB? 01:14:35 NO PROMPTING, NO NOTHING. 01:14:37 WHAT WOULD HAPPEN FROM THAT IS YOU WOULD LOOK AT OVER A 01:14:40 TWO-, THREE-HOUR PERIOD, 25, 35, 45 PEOPLE AND YOU WOULD 01:14:45 MAKE INSTANT, BECAUSE THIS IS SCIENCE, INSTANT JUDGMENTS. 01:14:49 I DON'T LIKE THAT PERSON. 01:14:50 I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THEY SIT. 01:14:51 I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THEY TALK. 01:14:53 OR I LOVE THAT PERSON. 01:14:54 THEY ARE SO DIFFERENT TO WHAT I THOUGHT I SAW ON THE RESUMÉ. 01:14:59 AS IT STANDS, SAID THE OTHER WEEK, CHICKEN AND EGG. 01:15:03 WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS AN IMPOSSIBLE CONUNDRUM. 01:15:06 TRYING TO TAKE BITS OF PAPER AND TURN THEM INTO SOMEBODY 01:15:09 THAT YOU'LL MAKE AS YOU CALL THEM THE FACE OF THE CITY OF 01:15:11 SARASOTA. 01:15:12 THAT IS THE MISTAKE. 01:15:15 DOESN'T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU GO BACK TO THE 01:15:17 DRAWING BOARD OR NOT. 01:15:18 I THINK TO START WITH, WHY NOT JUST ASK THEM, FIVE-MINUTE 01:15:22 VIDEO. 01:15:22 IT WILL TAKE THEM 20 MINUTES TO PUT TOGETHER, A FIVE MINUTE 01:15:27 VIDEO. 01:15:27 SEE EFFORT APPLICANT IN A MATTER OF A COUPLE OF HOURS. 01:15:30 THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO BASE IT UPON. 01:15:33 JUST AN IDEA. 01:15:34 >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. 01:15:34 CHRISTINE ROBINSON. 01:15:37 >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 01:15:37 CHRISTINE ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF THE ARGUS FOUNDATION. 01:15:40 SEARCHES ARE NOT EASY. 01:15:44 AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT PROCESSES. 01:15:47 MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL FIVE OF YOU EXPERIENCING THIS. 01:15:52 HAVING GONE THROUGH ONE IN THE COUNTY THAT DIDN'T TURN OUT 01:15:54 SO WELL AND RESULTED IN A FIRING TWO YEARS LATER, THAT WAS A 01:15:57 4-1 VOTE, I WOULD ADD. 01:16:00 I WAS THE 1, I'M GETTING A LITTLE PTSD WATCHING YOU ALL GO 01:16:05 THROUGH IT AND UNDERSTANDING HOW IT FEELS. 01:16:06 THE PRESSURE IS IMMENSE TO PICK SOMEBODY TO MOVE FORWARD. 01:16:12 I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. 01:16:13 BUT RIGHT NOW, ALL OF YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THE PROCESS 01:16:16 HAS BEEN FLAWED. 01:16:18 AND YOU HAVE ALL MENTIONED IT IN DIFFERENT SORTS OF WAYS. 01:16:23 BECAUSE YOU HAVE CANDIDATES LISTED, YOU HAVE A LIST THAT IS 01:16:26 NOW -- YOU HAVE CANDIDATES THAT ARE NOW DICTATING THE 01:16:29 PROCESS. 01:16:30 AND IN THAT I MEAN EACH OF YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE OR TWO OR A 01:16:33 FEW CANDIDATES THAT YOU LIKE, AND NOW THAT'S IN YOUR HEAD 01:16:36 AND DICTATING HOW THE PROCESS IS GOING AND THAT'S NOT HOW IT 01:16:40 SHOULD WORK. 01:16:41 THE PROCESS SHOULD COME FIRST AND THEN YOU USE THAT PROCESS 01:16:45 TO GET TO YOUR END RESULT.

file:///C/Users/JJohnson/Desktop/25-04-11-CommissionSpecial.txt[4/14/2025 8:36:26 AM] 01:16:46 BUT MY MAIN POINT I WANTED TO FOCUS ON TODAY IS THE 01:16:49 TRANSPARENCY ISSUE. 01:16:52 TRANSPARENCY FROM BEGINNING TO END IN THIS PROCESS LEADS TO 01:16:55 THE INTEGRITY IN THE FINAL DECISION. 01:16:59 NOT HAVING RESUMÉS AND REPORTS ATTACHED TO AGENDAS CUTS THE 01:17:02 PUBLIC OUT OF THIS PROCESS. 01:17:05 HAVING CANDIDATES ADDED AT THE LAST MINUTE WITHOUT ENOUGH 01:17:08 TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT RESUMÉS FOR YOUR 01:17:10 MEETING TODAY IS TROUBLESOME. 01:17:13 YOU ARE ABOUT TO MAKE DECISIONS ON INFORMATION THE PUBLIC 01:17:17 WILL NOT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN BEFORE TODAY. 01:17:22 IT'S BOTHERSOME. 01:17:23 WHILE EACH OF YOU TALKED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY PROBLEMS, YOU 01:17:26 DIDN'T HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON HOW TO FIX IT. 01:17:30 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS OF WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT 01:17:33 TRANSPARENCY SHOULD BE JUST AS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE 01:17:36 DISCUSSION AS PICKING THE CANDIDATE. 01:17:38 AND I HAVE NOT HEARD A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO 01:17:40 FIX THAT PROBLEM TODAY. 01:17:41 YOU'RE RIGHT. 01:17:44 THIS IS HARD. 01:17:47 TRANSPARENCY IS A PROBLEM, BUT YOU FIVE ARE THE ONES THAT 01:17:50 DICTATE HOW THIS TRANSPARENCY WILL WORK FROM HERE ON OUT. 01:17:53 ALLOW NO ONE ELSE TO OTHER THAN LEGAL COUNSEL. 01:17:57 OUR ORGANIZATION, THE ARGUS FOUNDATION RECOMMENDS THAT YOU 01:18:03 START OVER BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS IS UNFOLDING. 01:18:06 YOU SPENT TWO AND A HALF HOURS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO 01:18:09 DO NEXT BASED ON A LIST OF CANDIDATES AND IT'S NOT HOW THIS 01:18:12 SHOULD BE WORKING OR UNFOLDING FOR ANY OF YOU. 01:18:15 I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR TIME TO THE CITY OF 01:18:20 SARASOTA AND I WISH YOU LUCK IN HOW YOU GO FORWARD ON THIS. 01:18:24 >>Mayor Alpert: THANK YOU. 01:18:24 COMMISSIONERS. 01:18:30 >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ATTORNEY. 01:18:36 >>Joseph Polzak: AS I STATED, I DO THINK WE NEED TO PUT THE 01:18:41 APPLICANT POOL BACK ON THE TABLE, AND THEN YOU START FROM 01:18:45 THERE. 01:18:48 >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: THE BACKUP MATERIAL SITUATION THAT WAS 01:18:51 BROUGHT UP? 01:18:55 >>Joseph Polzak: YOU KNOW, THAT BACKUP MATERIAL IS PART OF 01:18:57 THE PUBLIC RECORD. 01:18:59 IT IS IN THE CITY E-MAIL SYSTEM. 01:19:01 I THINK FROM TODAY, WITH THAT APPLICANT POOL COULD START TO 01:19:06 DECIDE, MAYBE TAKE SOME MOTIONS ON HOW YOU WANT THE PROCESS 01:19:09 TO GO FORWARD FROM HERE, DISCUSS THAT IN PUBLIC. 01:19:13 IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO ANY WINNOWING, DO THAT IN THE PUBLIC 01:19:18 AT THIS KIND OF MEETING. 01:19:19 START FROM THIS POINT WITH THE TOTAL APPLICANT POOL ON THE 01:19:23 TABLE FOR YOU AND DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT THAT PROCESS TO LOOK 01:19:25 LIKE FROM HERE. 01:19:29 >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I DO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION, THOUGH, 01:19:30 THAT IF SOMEBODY IS LOOKING AT OUR AGENDA AND CLICKS ON THE

file:///C/Users/JJohnson/Desktop/25-04-11-CommissionSpecial.txt[4/14/2025 8:36:26 AM] 01:19:34 AGENDA ITEM WITH NO BACKUP MATERIAL ON WHAT WE'RE 01:19:37 DISCUSSING, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A VERY ENGAGED COMMUNITY, 01:19:42 THANKFULLY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN 01:19:49 THAT WAY, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO 01:19:53 NAVIGATE THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND E-MAILS AND ALL OF THAT. 01:20:01 I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THAT ATTACHED TO THE 01:20:06 AGENDA. 01:20:08 >>Joseph Polzak: THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE THE SUBJECT 01:20:09 OF A MOTION. 01:20:10 I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME WITHDRAWALS OF CANDIDATES. 01:20:12 I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER THAT ARE IN THAT POOL FROM THE 01:20:15 51, BUT THAT COULD BE THE SUBJECT OF A MOTION AS TO HOW YOU 01:20:19 WANT TO PROCEED. 01:20:23 >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: TOO LATE NOW, ISN'T IT? 01:20:28 >>Mayor Alpert: I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM STACIE IF IT IS PUBLIC 01:20:33 RECORD, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY THE BACKUP MATERIAL COULD 01:20:37 NOT BE PROVIDED? 01:20:39 >>Stacie Mason: SURE. 01:20:40 WE HAD TALKED A LITTLE BIT AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING IN MARCH, 01:20:44 THAT GATHERING OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS WAS 01:20:46 NOT GOING TO MEET THE TIMELINE FOR SUBMITTAL OF THE AGENDA. 01:20:50 SO FOR ALL THE RESUMÉS OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE WERE 01:20:53 LOOKING AT, WE DIDN'T HAVE YOUR LIST WHEN THE AGENDA WAS 01:20:56 DUE. 01:20:57 IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LATE ENTRY, BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT 01:20:59 IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING. 01:21:03 I DID WANT TO SAY, I THINK SHAYLA HAS IN HER HAND THE LIST 01:21:08 OF THE 51. 01:21:09 WE DO KNOW THAT SOME HAVE DROPPED AWAY. 01:21:11 BUT IF THAT IS OF DISCUSSION, OR YOU GUYS MAKE A MOTION YOU 01:21:15 WANT TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE 51 LIST, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU 01:21:19 THAT REFERENCE. 01:21:21 >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: MS. MASON -- MAYOR, MAY I? 01:21:24 >>Mayor Alpert: YES. 01:21:25 >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: THANK YOU. 01:21:26 ONCE WE GET THIS LIST, ARE YOU ABLE TO GIVE US THE NAMES OF 01:21:31 THOSE WHO HAVE WITHDRAWN? 01:21:35 >>Stacie Mason: I THINK BOTH COLIN AND I CAN WALK THROUGH 01:21:39 THAT. 01:21:40 >>Shayla Griggs: COMMISSIONERS, I JUST ASK THAT WE USE OUR 01:21:43 BUTTONS NOW SO WE CAN ALL BE -- THANK YOU. 01:21:49 >>Mayor Alpert: COMMISSIONER BATTIE, DID YOU WANT TO SAY 01:21:51 SOMETHING? 01:21:52 >>Kyle Battie: I WANTED TO ASK -- THANK YOU, MAYOR -- THAT 01:21:56 WE HAVE THIS LIST IN FRONT OF US. 01:21:59 SO THIS IS THE LIST -- IT STILL HAS ALL OF THE APPLICANTS ON 01:22:07 IT, NOT THE ONES -- ALL 51, OKAY. 01:22:14 I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO WHAT MR. HYDE AND WHAT MRS. 01:22:20 ROBINSON SPOKE TO. 01:22:21 AT THE CRUX, AT THE HEART OF THIS SITUATION, THE PROCESS IS 01:22:28 THE TRANSPARENCY. 01:22:30 AND THAT SEEMS TO BE LIKE THE ISSUE AND US HAVING A

file:///C/Users/JJohnson/Desktop/25-04-11-CommissionSpecial.txt[4/14/2025 8:36:26 AM] 01:22:38 DISCUSSION ON HOW WE GET THERE AND HOW WE GO THROUGH THIS 01:22:41 PROCESS AND IT BE TRANSPARENT IS PARAMOUNT TO US MAKING A 01:22:48 DECISION THAT NOT ONLY RESTS WELL WITH US, BUT RESTS WELL 01:22:53 WITH THE PUBLIC AND KNOW THAT THEY HAD SOME HAND IN THE 01:23:02 PROCESS AS WELL IN TERMS OF BEING, THAT INFORMATION BEING 01:23:07 AVAILABLE TO THEM. 01:23:07 SO I THINK IT BEHOOVES US AS A BODY, AS A COMMISSION, YOU 01:23:14 KNOW, FOR OURSELVES AND FOR THE PUBLIC THAT WE FIGURE OUT 01:23:18 HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED AND IT BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT. 01:23:23 THANK YOU, MAYOR. 01:23:26 >>Mayor Alpert: VICE MAYOR. 01:23:28 >>Vice-Mayor Trice: YEAH, I WAS GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT 01:23:34 THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID AND REALLY TURN IT OVER TO MS. MASON 01:23:39 AND MR. BAENZIGER IN TERMS OF TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THESE ARE THE 01:23:46 51 APPLICANTS, AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WAS BETWEEN THE 01:23:52 APPLICATION AND TODAY SOME NUMBER OF APPLICANTS HAVE 01:24:01 WITHDRAWN. 01:24:02 IF YOU COULD ANNOUNCE THOSE FOR THE PUBLIC AND WE CAN CROSS 01:24:05 THOSE OFF, AND THEN THERE WERE TWO SETS OF APPLICANTS THAT 01:24:14 IN THE PROFESSIONAL OPINION OF CBA THAT THESE WERE 01:24:19 RECOMMENDED TO US. 01:24:22 SO I THINK THOSE NAMES SHOULD PROBABLY BE LISTED FOR THE 01:24:28 PUBLIC. 01:24:30 AND THEN I BELIEVE WHAT REMAINS IS ALL THE REST OF THE 01:24:37 APPLICANTS, WHICH WE THEN AS COMMISSIONERS, WENT THROUGH AND 01:24:42 SAID, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO GET MORE INFORMATION OR THESE 01:24:48 OTHER INDIVIDUALS. 01:24:49 SO DOES THAT -- SUMMARIZING THAT INFORMATION AND CONNECTING 01:24:54 THE NAMES TO THOSE CATEGORIES, WOULD THAT MEET WHAT YOU 01:25:00 SUGGESTED? 01:25:02 >>Joseph Polzak: SO, YEAH, I THINK IF WE JUST START WITH THE 01:25:06 ACKNOWLEDGMENT HERE TODAY THAT THIS 51 APPLICANT POOL IS 01:25:10 BACK ON THE TABLE HERE TODAY, MINUS THE WITHDRAWALS, AND 01:25:13 THEN FROM THERE, IN THE PUBLIC, YOU ALL ARE DECIDING HOW YOU 01:25:17 WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT. 01:25:20 THERE ARE A LOT OF QUALITATIVE ASPECTS TO THE TRANSPARENCY 01:25:22 OF THAT, HOW MUCH YOU WANT AS PART OF THE RECORD, BUT 01:25:26 FUNCTIONALLY STARTING WITH THAT TOTAL APPLICANT POOL AND 01:25:29 THEN THE PUBLIC DECIDING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BASE YOUR 01:25:34 PROCESS GOING FORWARD, HOW YOU'LL CONDUCT IT, AND WHAT 01:25:37 CANDIDATES YOU EACH INDIVIDUALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVE 01:25:40 FORWARD. 01:25:41 >>Mayor Alpert: I THINK THAT'S THE CRITICAL THING IS 01:25:44 DETERMINING HOW WE MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD SO IT DOES 01:25:48 REMAIN TRANSPARENT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY 01:25:55 WE'RE DOING IT. 01:25:59 ACTUALLY, I LIKED MR. HYDE'S SUGGESTION, SENDING A 01:26:04 FIVE-MINUTE VIDEO TO SAY -- I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD. 01:26:11 >>Vice-Mayor Trice: THE REASON I SAY NO TO THAT IS IT HAS 01:26:15 BEEN FOUND THAT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE DISCRIMINATORY. 01:26:19 IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY MUSIC ORCHESTRAS DO AUDITIONS NOW, IT 01:26:29 IS BEHIND A CURTAIN SO YOU CANNOT SEE THE MUSICIAN, BECAUSE

file:///C/Users/JJohnson/Desktop/25-04-11-CommissionSpecial.txt[4/14/2025 8:36:26 AM] 01:26:34 SEEING THE MUSICIAN OR THE APPLICANT CAN DO SOME 01:26:39 DISCRIMINATORY THINGS. 01:26:41 >>Mayor Alpert: BUT YOU HAVE TO GET A FEEL FOR THE PERSON. 01:26:45 >>Vice-Mayor Trice: WELL, YEAH. 01:26:47 >>Mayor Alpert: AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO SEE THEM. 01:26:49 YES, MR. ROBINSON. 01:26:51 >>Pat Robinson: COULD WE MAYBE START WITH THE MOST SIMPLE 01:26:54 THING AND LEAST CONTROVERSIAL, WHICH IS GIVE US THE PEOPLE 01:26:57 THAT ARE NO LONGER ON THE LIST. 01:26:59 MS. MASON, WOULD YOU MIND GOING SLOWLY SO THE COMMISSION CAN 01:27:03 CUT ALL OF THOSE OFF SO WE CAN START WITH MR. KIRSCHNER AND 01:27:07 REMOVE HIM. 01:27:08 ONCE WE GET DONE WITH THAT, WE CAN CONTINUE ON WITH 01:27:12 DISCUSSION. 01:27:16 >>Stacie Mason: THANK YOU, MR. ROBINSON. 01:27:18 >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: JUST ONE SECOND. 01:27:20 >>Mayor Alpert: CAN'T WE CROSS OFF THE LIST FIRST? 01:27:24 >>Jen Ahearn-Koch: I WANTED TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER BATTIE'S 01:27:26 COMMENT ABOUT THE PROCESS. 01:27:28 AND I WANTED TO GAUGE THE COMMISSION'S FEELINGS ON THAT 01:27:34 FIRST DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT DO WE LOOK AT THE PROCESS 01:27:39 AGAIN OR NOT? 01:27:42 >>Mayor Alpert: LET'S GO AHEAD AND CROSS OFF THE LIST, AND 01:27:45 THEN WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION. 01:27:50 >>Stacie Mason: YOUR LIST SHOULD HAVE A NUMBER ON THE LEFT 01:27:53 SIDE, THE NAME AND THEN CURRENT MOST RECENT POSITION. 01:27:56 WE'LL DO IT BY NUMBER. 01:27:59 NUMBER ONE -- 01:28:01 >>Kathy Kelley Ohlrich: YOU'RE GIVING THE NUMBERS OF THOSE 01:28:03 WHO HAVE ELIMINATED THEMSELVES. 01:28:05 >>Stacie Mason: I'LL SAY THAT I'