Folsom City Council Regular Meeting

we will reconvene the special meeting of the folsom city council for tuesday, June 2, 2014. Do you have anything to report on Mr. City attorney? Okay, then we will adjourn the special meeting and can be in the regular meeting of the folsom city council for tuesday, June 10, 2014, if clerk will call the roll? >> [Roll call] >> and if we could get the scouts to come down and lead us in the pledge of allegiance, all of the scouts in uniform. >> [Pledge of allegiance] >> and if you gentlemen could tell us what you are in the microphone behind you and your troop number. >>, click, 193. >> adam gerhard, 193. >> sam middleton, 237. >> thank you, gentlemen. And now you will be on the internet. On channel 14. Okay, we are going to start with an agenda update. Do we have one? Okay, we will move to schedule presentations and I get the first one. it is ana valor from intel. >> okay. can you all hear me? This is a resolution accommodation honoring intel on the 30th anniversary of the folsom campus whereas intel celebrated the 30th anniversary on May 21, a significant milestone for intel, employees and the folsom community and whereas they are a technology leader and one of the silicon valley pioneers and remains a dominant force in the industry. It powers 85% of personal computers and laptops in the world him of the local campus is one of the largest sites with the seven buildings totaling over one point 5,000,000 ft.2 of space and a research and settlement center where employees create, test and validate the next generation of chips and chipsets including desktops, mobile and processor products and whereas they led the charge and now are using a mini version of silicon valley here in the foothills. As their campuses and highly educated workforce expanded, other companies followed, helping build a stable economic future. And with more than 6000 local employees, intel is the largest employer of folsom. They have relatively stable jobs and one of the primary leads in the unemployment rate has just 3.4% in folsom, lowest in the region. Whereas their employees represent more than 60 nations, many have postgraduate degrees in engineering, math, physics and computer science, they attract some of the best talent in the world, a remarkable level of cultural diversity to the community and whereas many intel employees choose to live in folsom, children attend local schools and families contribute to the economy. They are actively engaged in a community supporting the company's corporate philanthropy missions, and whereas employees volunteer to mentor students, help with science fairs and assist nonprofit organizations. When employees donate hours, intel commits dollars. For every hour an employee volunteers in a local high school or nonprofit, the company donates an additional $10 through its matching grant program and whereas in 2013, 3285 folsom employees volunteered 223 834 hours. Statewide volunteer hours resulted in $2.3 million in match grants to nonprofit organizations throughout california and whereas intel also provides corporate underwriting for local events and programs including the california time trial which generated worldwide public for our community. Therefore, I, kerri howell, on behalf of the city council and citizens hereby congratulate intel on its 30th year in folsom and wish them the best in all future endeavors, passed this 10th day of June, 2014 and I'm looking for another 30 years in folsom. Thank you so much. >> [Applause] >> on behalf of of our more than 6000 employees in folsom, I know there is no better quality of life in the city and we cannot have a better partner than the city of folsom so thank you very much for this. >> [Applause] >> and I have asked councilmember morin to do the next scheduled presentation which is the resolution of commendation congratulating lukas novak on being named a 2014 united states presidential scholar. >> thank you. It's a privilege. And if I could have lukas novak join me, and I see the folsom high school principal, why don't you join me as well. >> and just a warning, we will make you speak after this. >> [Laughter] >> thank you for not making me speak. >> you've probably arty talked about quite a bit in the last few weeks. >> okay, so we as a city love to recognize great achievements in the community. This is certainly one of them and we will recognize all sorts of things. This is an academic achievement that is incredibly special. Without further ado, I'm going to share with you the whereas in this accommodation and you'll get some idea of his fine accomplishments here, and afterwards, I know that lukas loves to share his thoughts and he will share a few things, especially his future plans because folks are always interested in where they are going to go when they sadly leave the city of folsom. Without further ado, this is the city of folsom resolution of commendation congratulating lukas novak on being named as a 2014 united states presidential scholar. Whereas the united states presidential scholar program was established in 1924 by executive order of the President To recognize and honor some of our nation's most distinguished graduating high school seniors. Whereas students have the opportunity to become us presidential scholars, based on two passes of accomplishment. The majority of the scholars are selected on the basis of broad academic achievement, proximately 20 additional students are selected on the basis of their academic and artistic scholarships, in the visual, performing or creative arts. Whereas one young man, and one young woman have been chosen from each state, the district of columbia, puerto rico and families of us citizens living abroad, in addition, 15 students have been selected at large. And 20 students have been chosen from the visual and performing arts. The scholars have all demonstrated leadership, scholarship, contribution to school and community, and outstanding accomplishments in the arts, sciences and humanities, and other fields of interest. Whereas recent folsom high school graduate lukas novak was selected as a 2014 us presidential scholar last month after careful deliberation by the white house commission on presidential scholars, whereas lukas is a gifted writer, outstanding student with extremely worthy of this tremendous honor. Whereas lukas is princeton bound in the fall, and attributes his remarkable success to the positive nurturing environment provided for him at folsom high school. Standing next to me at our folsom high school principal. Now therefore, on behalf of the city council and citizens of the community hereby congratulate lukas on his honor and wish him all the best in the future endeavors, approve this 10th day of June, 2014 and fun me and around of applause for this remarkable student. >> [Applause] >> I have nothing prepared. However if I was to say anything, it would be that I am deeply grateful to have spent much of my adolescent life in this community and I truly believe that I have built up love and support, a foundation for living awfully meaningful life in the future which is my goal. >> and we expect to see you back here in four years, if not sooner when you graduate and want to see how many degrees you have accumulated and what it is you are going to do to change the rest of our lives for the better. I am putting this date on my calendar. >> I will come back. >> I'm not letting you get away. Because I was at the award ceremony where catherine made the announcement and I was there all night, and I enjoyed watching you and it seems that you're tied to a rubber band because he bounced back and forth between all the awards, leading up to this presidential award, and I thought what was remarkable for my watching was the reception of all of your students, they enjoyed every time that you were not there. Sometimes when somebody goes up there as often as he went up there, then maybe other animosity, -- I think one catherine read the remarks about the presidential and the students standing ovation and all of the audience, everybody, and I have been there a lot of night and see the worth, I think that is something you will remember and that is something I was so proud to be in the audience and be able to see that and I believe that was the first in folsom history. >> I'm going to give you one additional advise having grown up on the east coast, pack warm, it'll be the coldest winter you have had in a long time. >> before the release and, I think there was another thing that he got honored for what intel about that was? >> first of all I have to let you know the lukas is an inspiration to all of us at folsom high school and rub some of his folsom family with him here as well but in addition, he's one of 141 students selected by the President To go to washington dc at the end of the month for this very special award but in addition, of the 141, 12 students were selected to go to china next month and lukas was one of those 12. >> [Applause] >> we are very excited for him to come back and talk about this experience at folsom high school, and he is an inspiration to all of us. So thank you, thank you to the city and thank you to the whole folsom community for supporting lukas, especially those at folsom high school. >> [Applause] >> okay, and our next item is business from the floor, and I believe I have six requests to speak. The first is kevin whalen, next is darren bello, then kiki akers, then kathleen kinsey, justin johnson and peter murray own -- maroon. >> my name is kevin whalen, I'm not the individual that called for matters to the floor, I was hoping to speak later if I May. >> okay, whoever from your group would like to speak first. Have them come on down. >> as they are coming down, listen up. We cannot comment on what you are speaking about because they're not on the agenda so we can only listen so I want to make sure if you're expecting feedback from the city council, it's illegal for us to do that this evening because it is not on the agenda. >> you can't comment and let the opinions go on and on. It is almost deliberating. >> yes, that is correct. >> and it's okay, we want to hear what people have to say. >> I just want to make sure they don't think we are a bunch of here in headlights and don't care, we are just constrained by law. >> so I'm thinking you are either kathleen or kiki? Oh. >> okay, we are not going to have people yelling from the floor. Are you collected? Come on up. Just talk into the microphone at the podium. It is probably easier if you talk into that one. >> I am colette anderson and my husband is randy and my girls went to the olympics in 2012 and we have been on the [ Indiscernible] Marlins for 10 years and sorry, I'm very nervous. my daughter goes around the country talking to swim clubs about proper ways of parenting and I'm really happy to say that she is my husband and I's role models and she just got back from miami, talking to them, has been in boston the week before them, and we are very fortunate to have our two girls bring home to california gold and silver medals and they were part of the marlins a swim team for over eight years. We had a coach with the team for 15 years who decided to leave him retire after the olympics and the new coach was brought in. I had a conference call yesterday with the city, we were brought into the mediators, because there is a lot of turmoil going on with our team and a handful of people that want to destroy the team and the team has been going for over 20 years and we don't want to see that happen. And it is upsetting to me, my family and girls who are part of this team, and we just want to have it end and I thought we had an agreement yesterday that we were going to mediated and keep the city out of it somehow, we heard that a couple of people that were disgruntled were coming here and want to be here to support our side and that's it. I have no agenda, we're just very happy with the team and when it is running. >> I'm going to ask if the city manager could clarify what actually happened at that conference call yesterday, I don't want there to be confusion about whether or not the city is mediating them. >> actually, thank you, Madam. mayor, I can add a little bit. I did call on a well-respected member of the community, a good friend of mine who has experience in these types of things, and I asked him if he wouldn't be willing to step in and meet with both sides of issuing the marlins and help this very story organization in the city of folsom work together at a grassroots level to figure out what they have in common, to figure out ways in which they would identify and support this, all of their differences, and of course that effort is in its infancy, and motions are running hiring him, certainly opinions vary with regard to the level of -- if any, if it difficult mission but we feel in the past opportunity for the marlins to hear and continues along and storied history that this organization has had is to solve their problems from the inside. And so, to this extent, we have listened to any number of complaints and issues from various members of the marlins team and leadership and have worked, justice and using my rolodex to try to help them help themselves. >> thank you. >> we appreciate that and we think that is what it needs to be. We think the city needs to be left out of this and we need to solve our own problems. >> thank you. >> if I have called your name, whoever wants to come up next and just let us know who you are. >> good evening, my name is peter and I'm a member of the marlins, my son is on the team and my wife is a treasure on the board. And I would like to talk about the issue with the marlins. So if you will indulge me. I'm here to speak to you about the current discontent that has grown within the marlins family, currently the team is broken. We have people here tonight to show the council that all of us are here to help. We have the best intentions to provide our children with the best opportunities to excel and swimming. Our children's dreams and goals is what drives every parent to motivate us to support their sport and the marlins family is no different. We have members in the audience dressed in blue, if you guys would not mind standing up. What has taken place in the last two years is indicative of a program that has enjoyed a stable leadership for 18 years and now that stability is not present. The number of factors that have come into play with creating this discontent and turmoil, the team is at a pivotal place in the actions that need to be taken are difficult at best. Sports families are very passionate and emotionally driven. The city must take an active role in providing stability and support. I truly am grateful for the current involvement with [ Indiscernible name], robert goss, [Indiscernible name], that have become basically a sounding board and beacon of hope. The city needs to take a more active role. Children are being hurt, emotionally and socially, at least five kids have been forced off the team. 54 swimmers have left the program in the last year alone. The city taxpayers are subsidizing a third of the cost in order to provide the best facilities in the sacramento region for the marlins. Parents who have simply asked questions have been ridiculed, verbally attacks, blamed, harassed, and bullied into leaving the program. That is not acceptable. The current leadership is not capable of addressing the issues. there is a lack of trust. Folsom is a city that boasts great recreational facilities, programs, and opportunities for the kids, hosting numerous youth programs, high school state tbg programs and international events. This type of issue within the sport is not uncommon. The city has stepped in before to address similar issues. =` b Qdalf of the parents that are here tonight, thank you for supporting and I asked that the,h- city asked questions of the marlins leadership=j. We need support in addressing our issues and we need accountability. I do have a couple of presents for you. If you wanted or if Mr. Palmer would like it. This is anything and everything that I have gathered in the last month in regards to things going on. I'm sure that Mr. Holden who is involved in the mediation would love to read it. I don't think he wants to spend as much time and I would be happy to share anything else I have at my disposal to you or anything else would like to clarify these issues and get these problems resolved. >> okay, thank you. Ms. Anderson will take that. And I did have another card from deborah goss. So whoever is coming up next. M first of all, my name is kevin whalen and I am the former President Of the board of directors. My term was up in December. So I have not been involved in leadership for several months. I apologize first for the way that I am dressed. This is not normally how I address city council, I was just called my son's baseball game. >> we are casual. we call it casual tuesdays. Sometimes I stress that way, too. >> I can tell you from experience working on the board, the marlins do have some parents that are not pleased with the way the organization is running. I think that is always the case and the search May the case with my term as in the case with every company or business I have ever been involved with. I have worked with the trustees as I have been involved with many disputes and resolutions over 28 years of work nationwide. And so I don't find these issues so critical. I have addressed some of the specifics within, I assume, the documents that have been provided, the piece nails, portions of the facts and not wholly truthful, quite frankly. I am concerned about some disputes that are raised and in light of the fact that this is financially a very healthy business, that is doing very well, there is a fair amount of money in the company. I am concerned about people trying to take control of an organization asked what their motives truly are. Is it a matter of financial interest? Is it a matter of control interest? What made it back to be? During my term as President, I had to deal with a couple of disgruntled parents. They are few and far between. I would suggest it is not dissimilar from some development projects. >> oh, no one is ever unhappy about that. >> there is a way that does were whatever the case May be. We have the same issues. Regarding personnel issues that May or May not be addressed today. These are private matters been addressed in the company and I don't know that this city needs to be involved in those types of things. my understanding since I helped to negotiate the pool agreement, if it is a rental agreement and we pay a significant amount per month in rent which is a negotiated term. What the funding is or what the cost arrangements are on the other side, on the folsom side, we really aren't familiar with it. We negotiated the price to rent a pool, but in essence, I wanted to bring to light, you May hear another of negative things about the team, we had another emergency meeting of the team approximately 3 or four weeks ago. There was about 50 to 75 families present and a call was made regarding support for the current leadership of the team. As far as I'm aware, I think there was one individual that was not pleased with the way we are going, and so what you May hear today is not representative of the team as a whole. I think this is perhaps. That's representative of disgruntled parents it May have issues or agendas, I don't know, they can do that themselves. >> thank you. >> you are either darren or justin. >> I am justin jones, parent of a two-year marlins to swim your team and two more on the way. It's a very small thing here but I just wanted to say right off of the bat that my family loves the marlins. We are a marlins family all in and have been up until very recently. and there is nothing in my family's views about what is happening on the team as far as wanting to seize control of the team will want to fix it and make it healthy for our kids and from my family's perspective, that time has come and gone. So that being said, the city of folsom is subsidizing the cr marlins and significantly reduced our rates for their program. The cost is 1/3 to 1/2 of the rate for non-city sponsored groups. The marlins swim team is currently the only team that is sponsored by the city of folsom in this way. Until now, this taxpayer subsidy has been acceptable but given the current actions on the marlins, you, the city council need to reevaluate who you will fire. Any family that is bringing up any questions or concerns is told where the door is and where they can go. We are asking questions that any concerned parent to. I want my kids to some. I know that my kids are not the best swimmers, I'm not worried about them moving up to the competitive track. I noticed some of my kids will not be competitive swimmers, I don't care. I care about the internal structure and leadership of the team itself. My family will be leaving the marlins swim team very soon. We will take our money outside of the city. We will no longer support the city and put our dollars here. If you want to swimmers to stay here, if you want that healthy company and money coming into it, something has to happen. the city is funding the marlins swim team through taxpayer subsidies and I do not feel that is correct. >> thank you. >> I need to clarify something because I have heard that a couple of times and I along with steve up here, ernie sheldon were very involved in getting that aquatic center built probably 14 years ago. When we talk about a subsidy, in a way that is correct but in a way that's not. If we run a little over $1 million and it cost us more than that to operate every single program in a facility. But we don't look at it as we subsidize the marlins were the sea otters or any of the other programs, and there are so many up to him including all of the open swimming birthday parties and everything there, so as far as the way we operate a facility, it is nothing specific as far as a subsidy for the marlins and no one else. It is a combined operation and it cost a little bit to keep that operation running, but everybody who enjoys the use of the pool gets a little piece of that subsidy. So, I just want to make it very clear to everyone out there. >> do we still have kathleen, kiki, darren and deborah? >> hi. My name is kiki, an ime folsom resident and we are members of the sierra marlins swim team and I'm a little bit nervous so hang in there. >> we promise not to bite. >> I know that. I'm not here today to talk to you about what some people, other people might talk to you about, although I know that she is a very beloved coach and great person but my daughter swims for another coach and I'm not here to talk about coach adam, I don't know him and my daughter does not swim in his group. Should we best seasons were another group that I own a home and paul springs and we have very good friends that swim for the promise down there, but this is not the time to talk about that. I am here to talk to you today about my daughter and the sierra marlins swim team. Kaitlyn is 14 years old and adopted. She was born entity to methamphetamine and alcohol, and because of this, nobody wanted her and she is a beautiful girl. She has a severe learning disabilities. She struggles with everything in life, she can't count money, she can't tell time because you teacher and she forgets. Her mind just does not work like everybody else does. She is entering high school and reads at the fourth grade level. She left school and is very bright, but mind just does not work like yours and mine. She is to use all the time, but in the pool, it is just a happy time for her because she feels it is the one place she feels good about herself. She hears good job, she hears great race from the she loves to swim and has been on the marlins for three and half years. We came here because we researched teens when we are ready to move up and they have a great reputation here they have the anderson girls, she came from a team that was coached by an olympic swimming where -- summer and cold river. Caitlin attended private school, but we always knew she would have to go to a public high school and when we were researching the school district could best serve as a special needs child, elk grove folsom the two school districts that came up. That is a lot for you guys, and says a lot for oak grove. She was already a marlins would with a very easy decision, and we sold our home that we have lived in for 16 years and cold river and brought a home in folsom because it was the right thing to do for her. Then we lost our head coach, and then I started noticing that people were getting angry and starting to talk. Around 15, and then the letter came, the unsigned letter. And a frantic meeting was called by the board. The meeting said we had to attend because adam might be leaving. I had to go only because I had to see if anything in the letter was true. All I got that night was becoming totally issue of being a marlins parent. And that was only because we were expect you to believe that things weren't true because we were told they were not, and because if your child was happy, that was the only thing that was important. Then there was another meeting, more yelling, city council, I'm asking you to do something very tough. I'm asking you to help us save our team. Nobody wants to check it over come that is not what it is about. We are sick, we are broken, and kaitlyn loves 15. Kaitlyn leads this team but we are also aware we May have no choice but to find another team, thank you. >> thank you, and I have one more request from mercedes [ Indiscernible last name]. I've still got kathleen, there, never cost. >> good evening, city council members, my name is kathleen and I'm a resident of folsom. I spoke to this counselor about two years ago when there was a proposed rate hike for the baseball field and it was a unification, jeff pierson and councilmember ernie sheldon and when I came up two years ago, I explained why ime folsom resident. After a long and distinguished military career for my husband we chose folsom over any city in the world. As the place where we wanted to raise our three girls who I will now have to in high school and one that middle school. Two of them are folsom high school. The parks and recreation were a huge part of its choosing it. Most people and over again because of a job, because intel and all of those employers hire them. We chose your city and came here with unemployment. We love folsom and will always be resident of folsom. We've lived all over the world and picked our forever home so we are a unique case. I am a coach that is no longer with the marlins as of a week ago. Two weeks ago I would have begged you to fix my team. I'm an outsider now, and my three daughters to our competitive swimmers are looking for a new swim team. And we are making that decision as a family. I would agree that anybody who has asked a question has been [ Indiscernible]. I was asked by my parents what do we say, what do we do? I asked them to go to a board meeting and ask questions. And for that I am no longer with the team. My plan is to move forward with the city of folsom. I just heard Mr. Jones say he is done. his time has come and gone. He has never made a peep or said anything, he's been a happy marlins member. There are others like him, sadly. So he's leaving. Is he going to stay in folsom or have a program here in folsom for his children or not? Time is of the essence when and his family. These parents want to help the environment. A positive coaching environment. So I'm here to ask you, city council, to consider a plan to build a city team. The marlins, and hopefully they will fix themselves, but I'm not part of that organization anymore. I believe very firmly and positive coaching we heard from lukas novak, an amazing talent pool -- scholar talk about love and support and the way that I believe that a child to grow through integrity and become a leader for tomorrow is my love and support. i'm all about building integrity in young men and women and swimming happens to be my vehicle for that. Positive coaching is one where a child feels that they are an important member of a team, regardless of their performance. We heard from kiki, thought anderson, I was very proud to call myself a marlins because her daughters are very successful and she will be just as if not more successful than her sisters. But, not every kid in the pool can be that and do that. And when I step back and look at a program that a year ago had 250 kids in it, I see one of two olympians. But, what I do see in addition to that is 250 parents, teachers, doctors, lawyers, future councilmembers, people who really will have an impact in our society and that is where the positive coaching comes in here that is for nurturing a child and getting them to love something with so much passion that they believe their teammates and believe in what they're doing and they will , you know, really react positively to a coach. It is then that you can get the child to do things that they did nothing they could do. It is through the positive coaching. My plan is to put a proposal through and I'm here tonight to tell you that I'm very sorry of what has happened with marlins. It was a great organization when jeff pierson hired me. It has been a difficult year, and I'm looking to solve a problem. We have been presented with a problem tonight and move forward. Thank you. >> thank you, kathleen. Darren bello? >> good evening, we've been a part of the marlins for two years. I have to swimmers on the team in the senior elite group, a boy and girl. We have been a part of swim teams all over the street for the last 15 years with my three children and we could pick any team he wanted. And to move to. We have been a part of different teams, different drama and experience this, and this is not unlike a lot of other places. But, I'm here to support the team, the leadership of the team, the longtime families that have been a part of this team. I'm very impressed with them, my kids are very happy, here with the team, we swim with the team, the coach is an environment that they are in is very positive. thank you. >> we are not going to have yelling from the audience. And do you have anybody else that wants to submit a blue card on this? Going to ask that you do it now, and I'm also going to ask, because we have other business this evening, and as councilmember miklos has told you, we have gotten your e- mails with some of the background, so if the speaker before you has said what you agree with in your happy to hear you say ditto, but going to ask that you limit comments to 3 min. Per person and I'm going to give you about 3 min. To get the rest of the cards it weird so, darren bello would be the next speaker. Oh, sorry. Debra. And then mercedes, then scott medford, it looks like. >> my name is deborah and I'm a long-time folsom resident and I am also a member of the board of the sierra marlins. I have been receiving a lot of calls a very unhappy parents and they are very concerned about the culture of our team. Unfortunately, there has been retaliation and there is proof of it and it makes me really sad because we are all people and we all have a stake in the sierra marlins. It's not him against her, and our meeting to work together. And I did call usa swimming and spoke with [Indiscernible name ] And he really does think that we need a mediator to actually mediate this because there are so many high emotions and people are just so mean to each other, it's disgusting. i've even had people come to my face and yell at me and it really causes me heartache because my daughter is 11 years old and loves this team. She took her first two steps at the aquatic center in this place means everything to us and unfortunately, some people, they make decisions about you without even asking who you are or what you believe in and if we could all sit down and communicate and talk instead of attacking each other, that would be a first start. And again, I'm asking city council, I have been before you before, to please help us because I've tried and people are just so stuck in their ways, they can't even hear you. And, anyways, I've said enough and thank you for listening. >> thank you. Back while the next speaker purchase, maybe I can add. I was not purposefully quoit when I did not expose a very good friend of mine, the former army jag officer and former mayor of the city of folsom and generally all-around good guy that I have called upon to help mediate this issue, but he is in the audience here and that is robert [Indiscernible last name] And I wanted to be sure that we at least allowed him to work. The stages of the process with some anonymity and they did not want to create a rush of people from one side of the councilmembers acquire him over there, council chambers, rather, to corner him over there, but you have heard a call for some objective source to come in and help the marlins heel, and they could not agree with you more. And we are very fortunate to have a member of our community with that skill set and nasa personal favor to me that I will name back for the rest of my life. He has agreed to at least take a run at this so, I just didn't want to be too quiet about what we're doing here and let everybody know that there is actually a process. >> good evening, my name is mercedes and I am marlins parent. My son is seven. And actually did not plan on speaking but after listening to a couple of people speak, I want to point out a few things about the conversation as well. That the company is a vital (C) , a nonprofit, and I don't understand why anybody would ever a nonprofit as a source of income and is after somebody's money. I don't think anybody that brings their children to a sporting event as far as was on an everyday basis is after money. Everybody is here for the best interest of their families and children. And I myself am not a resident of folsom. I'm a resident of roosevelt and as you know, roosevelt has several teams that I could have chosen to go to. What I did is in August, when it moved back to the area, I researched and was part of the palo alto stanford aquatics, very well known, we moved back to the area and asked the coach, I have several teams, which one do you think is the best? By far, sierra marlins. We went there, 12 miles from my house each day, five times a week, coming and going because of the fact that they had a great reputation, just like the lady said, my daughters were olympic swimmers, we can and I'm so disappointed because there is no leadership within the organization and I, myself, was clueless. I had no idea what was going on behind the scenes. I was bringing my child in and out every day, smiling, going home. But you know, after knowing the things that have happened, it's kind of shameful, embarrassing, professional, whatever you want to call it and I don't feel comfortable anymore leaving my child of the deck and going to trader joe's for 5 min. And coming back. i'm uncomfortable. 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