Parks, Recreation and Environmental Protection Advisory Board Regular Meeting

I'd like to this a meeting of the Parks, Recreation, Environmental Protection Board. >> On October 6, Thursday, 2025. I hope join with me in the Pledge of Allegiance. Your area. ? >> States of America. For which it stands. One nation. ? >> I've been reminded by several people that listen to us on our international broadcast. 2. Across the country around the the ships at sea to please speak into the microphone. they can hear are gems of wisdom. With that. We start with a roll call. Rachel Brodsky. >> Also Jimmy Glover. David plot can and I'm Leo Fitzgerald, thank you. Like to remind everyone of our Pledge of conduct. We may disagree, but we will be respective respectful of one another. We will direct all comments to issues. We will not engage in any personal attacks. >> I would be happy to read the minutes of the September 18th meeting unless someone makes a motion to approve them. moved. And second. Moved by Mister Neeson. Second by a missed a shot stuff. All in favor. Thank you. Mister Hamilton. Do we have any input from the public? We do not, Sir. Okay. Thank you. And then on to new Lido Beach Renourishment Project. ? Good afternoon. Please introduce yourself to. >> Good afternoon, Lisa Thomas, assistant city engineer and I managed the Lido Beach projects so I will be on Lido Beach new pass in the projects that we're working on here. So I'll give a brief outlining the scope of each project. Our current schedule dive into some of the details and highlight our coordination efforts. We have for construction projects that will discuss. The first is the navigational dredge of new pass. The second is nourishment of Lido Beach. The 3rd is the project and the 4th is that dune Walkovers that are being replaced. You pass is a federally authorized channel. The U.S. Army Corps judging you pass for navigation purposes. You can see here the soundings and feet from the latest survey. And you can see where it's less than about 8 feet shown in red. The dredge material will be placed on Lido Beach has a beneficial disposal. To everyone enjoying our beaches. This project to look like a nurse meant project providing critical erosion protection. Current estimates forecasts 200,300 1000 Cubic Yards of Sand will be placed on the beach. This will be the horizontal placement of the sand extending out into the water. The dune project will be the vertical placement of sand. This project started about 5 years ago and was permitted in 2023, you can see the path of the dunes in the lower image. The image on the right help show the 6 foot 6 elevation or 6.6 foot elevation of the dune is really only about 2 and a half feet above the beach. Templet. This image shows the standard planting Templet and we also have a low planting templet. Also we're working on replacing some dune walkovers at 3 locations. For schedule. We're excited to share that. The Army Corps received 3 bids on September 22nd course forecasting to where the project at the end of October with a notice to proceed in November. This puts us into the winter for their preconstruction meeting in starting work on site. But the work progressing into the spring of 2026. Once the beach chair Schmidt is complete, will be coming in to complete the dunes. So looking at summer of 2026 to start that effort finishing up with the dune Walkovers 2027. The cover page for the dredge project here shows the areas of new pass where it will be dredged. So we've got cuts, 1, 3, 5, there on the left. And then on the right along the beach showing seeing will be placed. And the San starts at approximately in the city's Lido Beach Pavilion parking lot and continues to the south to the Sarasota County Park. And again, this nourishment is the horizontal placement of sand into the water. So let's look at some of the benefits of the beneficial disposal of sand on Toledo Beach. So the city of Sarasota works with the Army Corps to provide beach nourishment to help protect our infrastructure from storms. These projects also provide nesting habitat for plants and animals. Additionally, our residents and visitors enjoy this recreational space. As you can see in this picture when the heat was severely road in 2019, a nurse meant provide protection to the structures. With the storms. Last year we saw substantial shifts in our shoreline. The Army Corps provides monitoring the beach shown on the left which help show how specific events affect the beach. You can see the storms shape the shoreline and we lost significant up to beach up to about 90 feet in the middle. Mother Nature gave us tunes on half of our beach the recovery efforts, adding to the height of the sand on the beach shown on the right. So the city plan for Duenes is about 6.6 foot elevation in DVD 8 and that's about 2 and a half feet above where the Army Corps will be nursing the beach, too, on the drawing on the left, the existing topography exceeds the 6.6 foot elevation and for these locations where the existing sand exceed 6.6 foot elevation, there won't be any additional sand placed here, which is kind of the northern half of the project site. For the locations of the southern half of the where the 6.6 foot elevation is not met yet. We estimate to be approximately 3200 cubic needed to finish the do construction. To help show the height of the students. We have a rendering I'm going to real quick. So to know on these drawings, the scale for the course on its not the same as the skill for the vertical. So we're not building sand mountains like shown in red or the pictures from the disaster recovery. It's going to be much milder than that will be about 2 and a half feet tall and 30 foot wide. So we have a rendering to help show. Here's the before. And then if I flip over to the after he missed hook back and forth, so you can see the height is gradual and the plantings blend in with what's there locally. And then also our dunes to the north of the park. So with the dune. I'm looking at how this fits together. Will have the Army Corps placing sand horizontally to make the beach deeper. And then after that, the city will come in and finish constructing the dunes and the planting and these hope give another layer of protection for infrastructure, guns, storms. We're grateful for all the entities that have been working with us to help make these projects reality in a success. So since new pass is a federally authorized channel, the Army court entered into an agreement Sarasota County in 1963. Sarasota County's the local sponsor for the new past church projects. We've been working with the county to complete documentation needed for them to complete their obligation to the core. New passed as part of an interlocal agreement. Fun but keen. So we alternate who received the sand from the dredging projects and this time it's our turn to receive the sand. Next time of the long boats turn. And then the previous Lido Beach nourishment project to use big passes us and source and after this project will be using big pass again. We have a Web site with our schedule and more information or you can stay up state to please check it out for the latest information. And then thank you for allowing me the opportunity to share some information and let me know if you have any questions. Thank you very much. Chris. Any questions? >> No, no, it's interesting. glad to see it happening in love. The look at the >> I have some questions. So for man, I know it's happened on a cycle. We don't have previously. Was there a different timeline of that cycle for nourishment compared to like the recent past? So generally it looks at about a 5 year obviously with storms and stuff. We can see it the need for it sooner. >> about every 5 years. And then the photo you sent you're showing there's that wall that backs up to the dunes. Yeah, for this property. So they've got a lot consistent on most properties and it backs up to that kind of a wall. It's a so we have some that some that don't. And some that used to have a water that now have a mountain of sand there. So. As that ad, too. Holding the sand in places there any is that more aesthetic? That would be just with the Army Corps using an ftp also using the beach nourishment as the Russian protection. I was like this are French Bull. So they're designed to be blown away. So it's not as he was just retaining wall or cut. >> Patio garden wall. >> Thank you. >> More familiar with the North Carolina Is there a time period that you have to quiet in terms of this work? Turtles are some like them. >> So we are coordinating with Mote marine for the So are expecting to be getting done right whenever the turtle season starting up. So we already work with Maureen for yearly monitoring of the beach and we have we are working with them to get them queued up for again for next year is a typically in the like the winter, we do work up there for us. It's the summer. So it's I can't remember if it's March 31st. Through November 15, some okay. >> I just one thing on that GOMESA. Are they going to Trump? That's and that's we ended up coming up with as far as the billing in the dunes and they're going to leave. >> As president doing the our judgment, that just going to pilot error and you can come back and rework it when everything when you get all sand out and get down the beach. >> Our goal is to get it with the renourishment and then we also since we didn't know when the nourishment was going to go through, we also have an option for trucking and we prefer not to use that option available, but it is there. >> Discretion as far as funding. How how the House's project funded. >> So we have local tdt dollars that we use the tourist development We also have grants with FDP and then with make has done. And we've also had a lot of conversations are senators representatives through the word a bill. My understanding is that this is fully through the Army Corps for the nourishment with the Drudge. And so for the dunes part, that's something that we work with FDP for a grant for that. It's about 50, 50. >> No questions. Thank you for the presentation. And I just have a little. It's still not clear in my mind. Would any of this have been happening? Is Milton had not broken through are hurling. And not broken through. >> Yeah. So this has so I started last August and I was to Lido Beach because Army Corps already and they're going to have a contract or they're going to stand on. The beach tells that sounds great. And that's a little different than what has So, yes, it was well in the works before those storms. Okay? >> So the storm student. Then moving thing along or did did delay anything. >> It didn't do anything. It. >> Did help with additional support and say from other entities for help in getting this move forward. So you can see some of the beach erosion there, it really like we were able to do, walks down the beach part of Representative Staffan help show them how critical this is to the infrastructure. one else. Thank you very much. Thank you. ? ? ? ? ? ? >> Okay. Are we ready for or update Saint Armands Circle? He's introduce yourself. Good afternoon. Mister Chair members of the John, to Pazos Parks and recreation general manager. So today, just want to an update on what is taking place in the last and Saint Armands. As you guys probably know some of the improvements and will go through that. So in October. You can see some of these images show the conditions of. Of the Saint Armands circle and some of the medians. find it ironic that the statue has a child sort of covering one of the anyway. So you can see some of these images are pretty. Debbie healing in Milton. Quite a number. In this area. So in April. Our in-house design Kevin Greene and >> myself put put a plan together. To completely re landscape. Saint Armands. So in June we started with. Clearing cleaning up. The beds. Electrical work. You can see some of those images. And these areas you do some being cleared in the back. Some irrigation lines. remove some of the dead trees. And then in July. started with the plantings public works assisted providing us the light ballers and our contractor install light Pollard's. We install them some trees. Some shrubs. New rules in the medians. And then in August, we. Commence with the center park. Restoring a new trees shrubs. Electrical. These are some manuals. And then we completed the work in in September. And these are some images of the completed work. It's kind of gives you an overview of what we did. completely reconstructed the irrigation system. Timers and zones. We install 30 new trees. With species noted here. 4600 new shrubs and ground covers manuals. New turf in some areas. Most the we we play some broken sidewalks, install some traffic ballers to prevent cars. Vehicles from coming in hours. And access. And we can and we worked with the with our. Public Works Department, too, to renovate the electrical system out there. These are some bullet points on. Sort of the what we wanted to accomplish years is to change. We looked at what worked out there. What survived after the storm? We replicated a lot of the native material. Some of the salt are tolerant plants, some of the plans that did well. Provided low maintenance design. A mix of flowering trees and shrubs to give it a real. Colorful year out of here appearance. ? You have any questions. I'd be happy to answer. >> Since I live out and I'm watching it and I love that thing for 20 plus years. I think you people that I love the job. Put that back the ways looks beautiful. Thank you. how is funded? >> But was funded through Parks and Recs. General We're hoping to get reimbursed at least through FEMA has. And looks good. Really does. ? I was going to say was good to see that. You've looked at sort of the salt tolerant Friday's. I was going to ask you about that. That's >> Hopefully, you know, you it's not so bad next time you get what next time. Well, yeah, well, we were not planning for an X-ray. >> But no, we did. We did. You know, I might ask Kevin to to take a look at what did well out there. After the storm and there were some plant varieties that team to come back really well and others did not. And so we did not back in the ones that did not. Want to keep it native salt, tolerant. And just hearty, question off lot of conversation with gardeners that the meeting in 1, 4, >> His ability follow up on that deserve more discussion scheduled with them Orange Avenue apartment. You talk about the community garden or just the we're planning on having additional meetings with the with the community Garden folks. >> I know when I was working out there that and especially seeing the signs for the car show that center, the very center part of the my understanding is the city does not own it. Be that it's simply a and an area where water should be collecting. It is a retention area. Retention is during the dry season. It stays dry. We can have events and so forth. It is sort of a depressed area. So you? And he plans to do anything out there would essentially. Yeah, I don't I don't anticipate doing anything different out there just I don't know if there's any plans in the works for any different >> approach. But right now that that is going maintain. ? >> The plants that were but obviously not destroyed in the storms. Was it mainly driven by the salt or that just the general storm water and other materials that were causing damage? >> I'm not sure. I mean, we had such 3 different storms. We had primarily, you know, the salt driven. I think probably that was the most of it. But there are some when, you know, that's obviously. But I think was primarily the salt. >> There are enough to do that again. So that they're well prepared for next time. Anyone else? cool. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. We have monthly review >> selected parks. This is going to be our quick hits one today because of the six-part, something 5 are just >> Nature's, if you some of convert from former utility neighborhood. So. Without concern, we've 3 that are on Siesta Key and the other 3 close to him. We're still getting some from are signs that the parks were averaging about one comment per park. I think we made top the one today. So the first is just a small Nice looking of it's on Siesta Key. It's the triangle, if you well maintained all these parks are in good shape with the one clones. The clone just truly small triangles cut a statue. No amenities in these and the Scott, a. found that 100 years old this year. Not sure that's operational. But these are all nice. Smaller is typically on the edge of residential areas, not in the middle Gavin. Again. Roundabout around this one. And then the one I got confused on the Michelin. This as I've learned, Patterson really is owned by the county. But there's a part of that that's owned by the city. that's the one of the city's portion is called Patterson Bay Island Park North. It is closed at the moment due to the storm. So that's part of Ones gotten some funding for repair over the next year. Not a whole whole lot on this next month. I think Rachel's Group is CA when the downtown area, but again, more than again, the city parks. These are. >> In probably the most affluent section of our city and they certainly They get great attention. And the grass is beautiful on You know, the know swings to breaker. Hard surfaces for kids to fall on or anything. It seems like. >> Nora need to use >> as long as the doggie bag. Feeders or soon, the neighborhood is happy. Do you have input from the neighbors on these Mister Hamilton? >> You know, I was just going through the mails half of them are actually from the and circle, which was was so just So you did a great job, John Circle they're breaking the law and want to celebrate the how that works. But there's sense Thank you for the updates and there giving kudos to the staff are working site. That's kind just of the feedback. A few minor things that we can use to to enhance and broken items. But that's going to know because we can just go to work order and take care of it. So good food, good feedback. Positive. On to some of them for the master plan. Those parks. >> On the quick question look, I'm looking at the images. I know these are mostly small passage ways which in not as major, some of the other ones are essential for residential. Some of them have spaces to sit or walking paths. Not all of them is that Rick, is masterplan item? Is that I guess dictated by the demands of the residents themselves to just to utilize those spaces more. >> That's correct. So we'll take the feedback directly from the surrounding neighbors and then formulate a plan and execute a yeah. >> My sense again, some of turnover from just kind of the sword into the park anything else and it. >> And Mellow Park, that kind of spring from. None nowhere. And all of a sudden there's surrounding homes which are very nice and a very nice little or they walk their dogs and doggy bags always there. Speaking input. We I know I believe all of us got a 2 letters resident that was questioning our commitment to Mary Dean Park. he. Was arguing he represented the stewards of the neighborhood. neighborhoods stewards of the Park. thought that this board was a somewhat dismissive of their complaints. Of his complaints. Which was there foul language being used by some of our younger citizens when they're playing on that shortened basketball. You know, I'm just going to my own opinion. I think we listen to all the input and I think we judge that. Having little kids screaming and yelling and playing basketball as a as a positive end. You know, if bothers the I'm sorry, you know, I think it's more important that that part be in that capacity. To remove that hoop, I think would be a great injustice. And I would be opposed to that. But that's just my $0.2. One thing, anybody else, 70 comments on. Mark. Is there any anything that they can do? again, kids are going to be kids and plan and I don't want this gentleman. It. >> Wrote House e-mails and think that we were dismissed because I didn't think we were. But again, it's a it's a smaller home for our highs and everything for the smaller kids. again, I can understand their side. And then as far as you person and all and goes on with it. But is anything that we can do, you know, maybe have them police go by there every once in a while or something just to. I know it's it's not going to go away completely. But, you to. If I appease the neighbors, they may never really have. You know, a legitimate beef if they're screaming and yelling and the Ellen and playing the games is one thing. But the cursing and everything is all to me is the home of thing. And so I don't know. >> You know, we can certainly recall some patrols kind of. drive through and take a peek. >> I think that we should do that. I think that that would mean at least showing on that. We're trying to do something. But as far as removing it, I am not in favor of that at all. What to watch your language sign up. It's a that network from it your neighborhood. You know. never worked for I just think that probably in the original design maybe had the basketball court, bin. >> On the other side as opposed to right next to her house. Maybe they wouldn't hear as much of the noise of the year. The design, that design is the design as it is right now. So I don't think we're going to. Switch switch to it's actually further from the house that >> Well, that the complaints on the And some okay. I thought it was a the original something weird, you know, because okay. I just do that. If you go down the street a little bit, there's another facility that's over there. That makes it if the basketball court. So we are sure if. There are other components as opposed to where it is. Someone, you know, the whole court Hochul here again, center where the playground and lots of news that the court was over there and then the playground areas switch. But that's a whole the other situation over there. But yeah. I think we can do that. Okay. >> moving kind of an open discussion parks, recreation, environmental protection. Anybody have any burning issues. They'd like to bring up. would. >> next month. from what? The last time I was a little on my e-mail yesterday. got to give me with the city because I can't get into my emails meant. >> Brianna is coming over and the way it sounds that she's going to come over and we're going to talk to her in person. She also is I would like everybody to get in contact all the commissioners. I know they can get involved with the conversation, but I would like a mummy here and whoever would for the commissioners to come in and listen to this. And also I would like to city attorney here if we could get the mayor. Because I've been having some conversation with him on some other stuff. I'm asked him about this to get the set up. thing that I'm going to mention now that one. Ken Sperling Park has become a real problem with noise the moats a jet skis running up on the shore. And there's some discussion going on about what the city with the county commission that we might. It would be in my would be in favor of that. Take it back or somehow. We taking over and again, if we're going to do this and we're going to make this the next step for the next 25 to 50 years. We need to get this party streak in place and get funding for. It makes it so much easy for these people to do something. If we have something like that. And I honestly, again, I've said this about 18,000 anything 1002 times. And I think we have a commission that is. Would be in favor of this or at least receptive to the idea of getting this thing started and getting some funding for it. it's imperative that we now have the time is now. in the fire. And I think we need to strike. I'm really anxious for her to come over and explain how they set this up. And again, we're not talking one to 3 years and we're talking a 50 year plan that, you know, for funding and everything for the parks. So that's why so box. And I'm on it. Thanks. >> Can I add one thing to that? So definitely like to talk to the attorney. I know that there was a push prior to my knowledge of the parks board. It would be beneficial to all of us to understand how that happened. What didn't work? What has changed since then, more of the history of the experience of the application and talking to commission. I'm not sure if there have been laws that have been changed or what we can learn from our past. That would be really beneficial. We had Leo and I were on board and we had the park district set but we need it. We went and was set up on the 3 to vote and it was it was all done. Everything was. But through the lawyer. >> Through Bob Fortier. And when we had another commission turnover. 2 of them got in and they did not want I couldn't get the 5, we could not get the final vote. We need for that to be funded in need to be a 5, 0, vote from the commission and we could not get. That did not want to put half a mill. A year and for the ad valorem tax and when they got in and I'm hanging Brody and Erica royal may killed a recent at the Park district. So we had it. We had it from our park district has been rescinded as well. >> We had at that again. We needed a 5 vote. That's why it's imperative. And, you know, once this person turns around and comes and talks to us. She She was. We had the gentleman that actually was on one of the originators that was set on the board. He since passed away. And this from what I'm talking to Rihanna harms. She's been there since 2003 marker, 2005. This started back in the late 70's over there. But I it's just amazing if you go on Boca Raton Beach district and see what they do with the money that they have any of accumulation. It's it's amazing what they do for it. So like I said, we were one step away from getting it created that. And once. From my understanding it was going to be once the funding was in place, it was going to be in perpetuity. So He can't come in and take the money out and we give economy goes bad or something. They can dip into that money is always earmarked for the parks district and the Parks Department to be able to maintain. I know there's a gentleman, David Low with all the new buildings that are being built the path to park improvement funds with all these new developments, there's a certain amount that they have to put into the path, but that only is for enhancement and growing what you do with the park. That's not the maintenance and everything that these people have to come up with money to fix stuff. That's why it's so critical that we try to get this set up. But I totally agree that it was conversations that went back and forth about, you know. Don't for instance, has a part as a district. All our landscaping is taken care of by them. They've myself impose a tax on themselves. I just it and you go over there. I mean, I there's a lot of construction going on over there right now. But you take a look at their their landscaping and the swings and everything is in there. It's beautiful and there's no reason why we if we're going to now, I'm really a soap box made of we're going to be the city of the future and the way that everybody says about this is the everywhere everybody wants to come here. You've got to have a department that are, you know, again, I 48 million dollars. I think this year is what the city of Tampa generating for their parks department. So I mean, far far away from the size and everything that but to be a world-class city, you got to have parks. That's I'm nobody will ever tell me that that's not the way it And that's I think this is a great step moving forward with this. >> That was the reason why it didn't move for last time. Do we not have enough information or was it to somebody who was new to the system? Not The commission did not want to fund it. It was several want to commission. Did not want to earmark that money that goes to it and they. And then they just came back in Senate. >> It just running into the politics of it. You know, we had we had worked through the economics of it. And then the politics of it just. Ran into brick wall. >> All right. Top of everything learning what we need to do now, looking at what we can learn from the history be very helpful since us have the history, which I do not have absolutely. And she'll she'll be able of when she comes over. A few conversations I've had with her She's going to be able to help you out and help all this out. Understanding that. But it's critical that we get. >> The commissioners and here to listen to whether they talk or not going to be able to talk So they understand that we have. Years on the board now that are are very interested in looking at this. So Im not. >> Members we She's come. >> She's going for him just come and she is definitely coming. >> But I I think it would be best. And again. I guess you can. I mean. The parks department, but it would be. Of us individually talk to him or even new lead to them have And you >> Committee that we do look for them to come. Listen to And, you know, I think that's a great idea. ? >> Anyone else? of a couple of on the environmental Week. Last month I talked about Arlington Park and and the condition of the pond that sun. And, you know, when unfortunate inter local situations where it's really up a storm, water pond in the middle of a city park. I've started albeit very slowly to initiate some conversations. And I need to connect county with city staff to start talking about what might we do? To improve the quality of the water quality of that pond. It's it's it's getting worse and worse. Actually, it's it's looking pretty. Pretty bad these days. And and again, we keep spring. It happened again last week, herbicides around perimeter of the of the pond, which is not. You know, really a progressive way to deal with water quality. So that's part of one of the things working on is to try to get some conversations going is what's what might be possible. Working together. There's a lot of best practices that available to you. Manage stormwater pond in an urban environment. In a better way than we're doing today. In fact, we have a resident who used to be a University of Florida professor in the whole field water quality and so on. So he's really raised his hand to be a contributor to the conversation. So hopefully next time I'll have some more details on that. And one other talked about Mable Ringling in the fountain in liquid, sir. Chris, can you speak our I've talked the Mable Ringling found >> it is now identified as a 6 to save for The Sarasota Lines for Historic Preservation is going to launch their 6 to save. Initiatives. With the press conference in Lockwood Park on November. Can't now remember, I'm not going to be and I'm gonna be out of the country. Unfortunately. And which a great way to kind of bring focus to to the stark nature of that found and to equip our quite frankly, because it's it's kind of this unfortunate spot beside mound and everybody pass and it has a beautiful history and some great potential. So keep your eyes open for. I think it's the second week in November they'll be a press conference and there's been a watch of the 6 things in in Sarasota that the alliance has identified to, quote, safe. That's an annual. Promotion that they do for buildings and spaces and someone in the fountains on the list to, you know, our hope is we listen interest and possibly some some contributors that will. Help us figure out a way to sustain, not found. >> you said last month in a forgotten is that the county that spring yes, it's the county that spring. can't we just have city again for the record, John to Chris, I just want to give you an update. I today. >> I sent an email to the county. To see if we can set up a teams meeting to go over what they do as far as maintenance and responsibilities of. Yeah, though. So we're working on that. You know, last month I've mentioned I was going to send you a deck. Are the least the photos of a historic round Lake and in St. Petersburg, that's Myrick term of It's a good example of of highly urbanized storm water pond. That is beautiful. And it's it's a combination of those residents that are involved absolute live around there and the city. And I think you can be done. It's just I know here. It's this this unusual, no man's land where we have the county and the city, right? Yes, it is because they are responsible for the maintenance of that storm water pond. But I am trying to set up a meeting with with the county and invite a great Clinton. And so we can all hear what they OK, perfect. Thank you. You know, if I this morning that out at where the county. >> Today, a dedication of one in their series of plaques reflect the history of the area. you know, I for say regionally one, just to be sure that nobody from the county stole anything from the park. I must admit there is there seems to be very improving and spirit of cooperation, at least among the parks, people in in the county and, you know, our parks department, it seems a. Some of us can find peace with that with our for others in the county. Anyone else have any issues to bring up. Mark, do we have anything on citizens input? our next regular meeting is Thursday. November. 20th. there is a the possibility we Maine, depending on the schedule of the commissioners schedule. We may want to see if it's possible to have a meeting of this group before. Their meeting on November. 17th. clubhouse design for Bobby Jones Golf course. They end. And I would like have some input and have this this snowboard. View their plans get their opinions on get our opinion on it in. You know how close we are agreement making taking the next step out of Bobby Jones. will. Well have to leave that open for the moment. But we count on a a meeting Thursday, November. 20th. Now having said all that, I'm generally in December in the past, we've not that just because it seems to conflict with Christmas schedules and everything. Holiday schedules. And so I would propose unless anybody feel strongly otherwise that we would. Escobar December meeting. Special one would be the week before possibly. Well, we have to see >> And, you you hopefully we can come up with a couple of dates and contact each of you and say what works, what doesn't work see if we can cobble something together. I unfortunately we'll miss November. be in California with a work trip. So an OK, definitely here earlier in the week. But the way, like I said, just see it all shapes out. OK, anyone wanting topics we should consider in the next meeting. Right now. None of them. >> District. And then we also park reviews. Okay. That's what's on the docket currently for know, we have call that a full docket. I would say with park review or the and taking up quite a bit of time. All right. Well, anybody else have anything else and like to bring up. >> Hearing nothing unless hear otherwise. Our next regular meeting will be Thursday, November 20th, though, right here at City Hall at 4 o'clock. And we are adjourned. Thank you. ? ?