Miami-Dade Zoning Board

than cdmp today? >>county attorney: if you do zoning first you will have to take a rest but vulnerable of the agenda is the zoning items. >>chair: let's do zoning. If there are single-family applications we can take in zoning that are easier we can get those folks in and out. >>county attorney: I will bring them up. Once the zoning director gets settled now would be the time for him to read the introductory statement. >> in accordance with the code of miami-dade county all items have been legally advertised and notices have been mailed and properties posted. Copies are available in the chambers. The record and file for the hearing on each application will include documents from the public agencies, department of economic resources and where there is an appeal, the appeals board will also have the transcript of the hearings. All documents are available and members board of county commissioners who MAY examine the records during the hearing . This statement along with the fact all witnesses have been sworn she will be included in any transcript of this hearing . There is the official transcript for individuals requiring such assistance. Clerk would use where in bonuses . >>clerk: anyone giving testimony raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you give is the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you GOD. Do you swear or affirm that you will make a true interpretation of the questions asked and testimony given? >> MISTER Chair, the first item I would like to call is 3e, z 2023, no protests, no waivers. >>chair: come on up . I guess the applicant is here. Whose district is this in? All right , commissioner, you are recognized. >> I guess we can hear from the applicant. >>chair: give your name and address please . >> thank you for hearing this matter. I represent bayshore drive llc. Tully rafaelli. There is two matters before of the board today. One is just allowing a variance of where the swimming pool is located. I bought this house not knowing that the pool was in a certain place so going through all this process, here we are today and there's also I guess the zoning departments, I guess they were involved in improving this until we got here . I think there were four inches of a setback that also needs to be approved for the building. What I've done so far is in the meantime I got letters from neighbors. I got a letter from my neighbor next door and two letters from neighbors across the street it's a friendly neighborhood and we all know each other. I have these letters if you would like to see them. They did bring letters signed and ready to present them if it was needed . >>chair: qestion, is this a public hearing? Is anyone here to speak on 3e besides the applicant ? The item is closed. Commissioner, you are in support of this item? >> I move to support it with favorable recommendation. >>chair: I second. Moved and seconded. This is a resolution of four minutes 3e. Call the role on this. >>clerk: [Roll call vote]... [Roll call vote] >>chair: I'm going to vote yes and then I will say the academy goes to . Thank you . Congratulations . >> thank you everybody. You board. Thank you commissioners . It's a pleasure to be up in front of you today. >>chair: next . >> item 3f, no protests, no waivers. This is district 11 . >>chair: come on down. You're in support of this item? >> yes sir, I do. Public hearing on this item is open . >> my name is parvin plasencia. Miami 33193. >>chair: one second. Public hearing on these items is open. Are you prepared to move the . >>commissioner gonzalez: I would like to move the item MISTER Commissioner. >>chair: call the role on. >> is first recognition . >>commissioner gonzalez: yes . >>clerk: [Roll call vote] The motion passes . >> thank you. >> next is 3h, 300 42, no protests, no waivers, MISTER District 11 . >>chair: commissioner gonzalez, are you in support of this item ? is this urine? Public hearing is open . Anyone wishing to be heard on 3h public hearing is close. You are the? >> we are seeking approval to keep , 134 southwest 136 terrace, miami. >>commissioner gonzalez: I am supporting this item and I would like to move the item forward. >>chair: moved forward, seconded by the chair. Call the role. >>clerk: [Roll call vote] The motion passes . >> I would like to move to item 3c, z 2022 236. This is district 6 . >>chair: public hearing on this item is open. I don't have anyone registered to see a hearing is closed. You represent the applicants? >> yes sir . >>chair: had injuries yourself . >> my name is paul savage, miami the law firm of birkhau riddell here on item 3c and this application concerns a set of variances that we require for a sign on top of one of those hours in the blue now referred to as the water business district. >>chair: are you supporting the item? It's been moved and seconded, all te role. >>clerk: [Roll call vote] Motion passes . >> thank you MISTER Sharon and thank you ladies and gentlemen . >> I will now go down in order, going to skip item 1a because bislot and dependent on the cdmp winn-dixie supermarket, 1177 . >> public hearing picks up on board discussion. >>chair: that's right commissioner bastien, you are recognized. >>commissioner bastien: thank you MISTER Chair. I don't know what he's smiling about. I would love to know as you recall I had some reservation about this item because of the proximity to the schools and churches. However I do have a question because I remember the last time you came in front of us here I did ask for using me with the community I want to know what. >> I have a brief presentation to show you the letters of support we got from the neighborhood in particular there are three churches right nearby and it I get that hold up . Next slide please. The distance requirements is 2500. We actually expand 3000 feet we sent a letter to every school in it. Next slide please that's a division of the schools that we reach out to you see there's three churches right across the street so we wanted to emphasize our outreach. Next slide. That's just a list of all the churches and schools we had our outreach campaign to. Research is nearby are the new jerusalem church of GOD, faithful deliverance campbell and unity at the hospital church of GOD. We met with each of those churches and their responses were similar and that what happens with this winn dixie is not ging to affect what happens to our church each of them felt comfortable signing this statement of no objection essentially saying you have concerns or objections our application. Next slide please. I think we might have skipped over you. Next slide. Each of those churches signed one of these statements of no objections . As it relates to the schools, we were able to actually get a similar statement of no objection from one of the schools nearby there's really no schools are very close closest tool is an element walk across I-95 I wouldn't consider this within reasonable walking distance so next slide . This is a statement of no objection from the university there is a school of their campus so that is included . Next slide we also talked about our last hearing that this is a common use south florida winn dixie's this region are adding this because this is what customers want shopping experience where they can buy everything in one place. You can see and peace there are nine of these this is just winn-dixie is not including other grocery stores and similar stores they have. Package and wine and spirits stores. So next slide . There were questions about what this would look like. Would there be separate questions. This is one that is in aventura. There's a separate wine and spirits store. It's not like kids walking around the supermarket would stroll in to the liquor store . So in summary, next slide. This is the standard for the special exception. Think we meet each of those criteria. It's going to be located within an existing footprint of the winn-dixie store already sells wine and beer is about customer driven response to be more efficient . Then next slide . This is just a summary of why we think we meet each of these criteria admit that I will open it up to see if there's any questions. >>commissioner bastien: as I indicated the last time, my concerns were around the proximity of winn dixie to the different schools and libraries in the area possibly. Be willing to prove this request with conditions. Because in district 2 you said kids will not walk and enter the liquor stores in my district and especially around the area where winn dixie is located all lot of children walk around schools and I see them all the time . Consequently I would be willing to move this consequences that the applicant supports educational campaigns about underage drinking leadership development to schools, libraries and three miles distance. I would be waiting to hear what my colleagues had to say but I am gravely concerned about underage drinking. >> I second the motion. >> commissioner , a question as to the condition . Just for the applicant perhaps to comment . Do you have any particular amount in mind I will leave it to the to design the contribution from the schools. >>commissioner bastien: I would advise the applicant to work with you. To continue conversation because I don't have an amount right now. >>chair: can I hear the condition again? >> for the applicant to as I understand it to fund programs in the schools within a three-mile radius. Discourage underage drinking and to fund counseling of leadership programs related to the discouragement of underage drinking . >>chair: why don't we just say to work with the district commissioners office to effectuate such things. Is that acceptable amendment . >>commissioner bastien: I will move the item . >>chair: staff approval was by commissioner bastien, seconded by vice CHAIRMAN . >> I want to clarify this one is not for staff recommendation. Motion would be approval for one, read and for standard conditions to tie into the hearing plans and denial of request number two. Request number two was the use variance which is it necessary once you have approved the rezoning. >>chair: you are recognized commissioner mcghee . >>commissioner mcghee: my question to commissioner bastien is is there a window which you want to have this meeting where they meet with you to come up with the ideas and parameters you wish to see executed? >>commissioner bastien: thank you commissioner mcghee . As you know we are off next month except for those who wish to be here. I would say SEPTEMBER. >> understood. Thank you. >>chair: rollcall. >>clerk: [Roll call vote] The motion passes. >> thank you very much . >>chair: what's next? >> is item 2a. An appeal. Archimedes 2022 0212. Do not confuse this with the cdmp application that is also from archimedes. This is a second parcel not related to the cdmp amendment and this is an appeal of the night vision community council which means the board should they decide to overturn a two thirds majority of the members present. >> good morning MISTER Chair, members of the commission. My name is ryan adler, 1450 racquel avenue here on the archimedes 33 . >>chair: how much time are you going to need? >> I will probably need 15 minutes. It is an appeal . I do believe we have at least a resident is your guess . >>chair: this is an fuel. Is it a public hearing? You want to open public hearing first? Public hearing on this item. I don't have a sheet but there are four want to be heard on this give me your name and address . >> will I be able to seek after he gets done to? >>chair: unless we have a specific destined for you . >> my name is miguel rodriguez, southwest 24th street homestead florida directly across the street from where they are trying to build these homes I have a school principal. I've been in administration last 25 years and have been living in this on the last 20 years . My biggest concern and I'm not trying to stop people doing what they do is the language he used last time. MS. Begins, I am peading to you because this and ask my neighborhood. My rain down here from new york this was a huge opportunity to have a decent home in a place that had ample space where we could have our kids grow up. He talked about impact fees last time. The impact fees do not help schools around the area. He mentioned last time what they were going to do as far as the workforce housing which are affording any loans to workforce housing so they're not doing homes for educators or any of the workforce whatsoever . They're trying to give credit to the community which will not allow the neighborhood . They're trying to build 97 homes which is not what we have in our area. Our homes in our area minimum 72,000 square feet there are trying to use the workforce to go to 11,000 . I'm concerned about the high density in the area. So one overhaul in my area most people they're just living with them. My son is. He lived in. He had to do all day. I had a lot of issues with early in the area we are the smallest in lot, 70,000 square feet ad mine is concerned and the density he talked about that is going to be okay. They're not making the world any safer or any better it's difficult for us to grow our families in this area and be worried about all the congestion you have including the impact to the elementary school in the area. Time. I want you to take into consideration the impact . I'm not trying to stop them from building homes. All I'm asking is that they be compatible with our homes. Everybody else is 12325 acre homes. They're going from five acres per home down to 11,000 and not provide any homes for the workforce. again, educators, firefighters, teachers and nurses. Are not doing a home for them so ask them how many homes of these 97 go towards firefighters and educators and the workforce that can't even afford to live there my son is the reason and all the people in our area have our kids living with us and we have three or four cars in the area. Take this strongly into consideration because it does impact the community. You guys picked a difficult place to go ahead and get to and ask a school principal I just got an assistant principal . >>chair: I gave you all lots of extra time we're going to wrap it up here. >> thank you because he's a little shifty . >>chair: stop playing. Come on. >> how are you going to insult the jets fan like that. >>chair: everybody is created equal except for jets fans. No it wasn't. >> my name is most rodriguez, southwest 2/84 street. This will directly affect my family and that I will speak on a mother teacher perspective. I'm a teacher in the neighborhood housing is totally changed our I walk around my grandson. The streets are safe. There is minimal cars traffic . Now with the development of these 96 homes they want to build I can't walk my grandson around the block. all those construction trucks will be coming in and there are no taxes in the neighborhood is not fair to the people who live there. I hear that complete from my parents, my students, everybody around you is going to change what the redland is . It's not fair for families that have been there is no place for our kids to go. There is one part that's always overcrowded. Places, they're just building and building and is affecting the quality of our neighborhood . Pollution, the traffic I never had to wait to come out of my streets because cars are going both ways and its effects every single day and the kids can play in the neighborhood when trucks are coming. Disregard any of the ski . It's not safe and is not pleasant . That's why people moved to the redland's we love cookies, the tranquility. To bring 96 homes, it's destroying agriculture. It's changing what the redland is which is families that love each other. Love the trees just take that into consideration because you have families that have been there a long time and it's changing who we are as a. >>chair: public hearing on this item is now give me your name and address, you two minutes. Public hearing is closed. You were saying you need 15 minutes . We've been at this long time I'm going to go ahead and say 10 it's . >> my name is brian adler, 1450 brickell avenue . I'm here on archimedes 33 joined mike my colleague and also joined by jody biggs from our knees, is a civil engineer as patterns from whitmore . I have of hesitation I want to address some of the comments that were made. There was no application nor could there be a rezoning application without a comp plan amendment to see 96 units asked by MS. Rodriguez or MISTER Rodriguez. We have to five units designated as state residential. Though bonuses can put on the property is a thought. It's not the seven units. With regard to the long car, I don't think we mentioned there is a provision for one car. Under the traffic study is 85 so that MAY have been where the one car came from because it's one hour trip essentially per unit. And I'm going to get into some of the other comments I've had one of the things to note, MS. Rodriguez said it is destroying the agriculture of the neighborhood. It is designated state density residential, not agriculture and as noted by your staff land use objective for in yur plan says the county should move towards reducing inconsistencies within the, plan and says that no new agriculture , no commercial agriculture within the udb is permitted unless it's on property designated agriculture . If we actually came to rezone this property from the un to agriculture it would be recommended for denial as being inconsistent. So I do want to thank you for your time and I will try to be brief and I do have a presentation I wanted to go ahead and address some of the statements from the front everyone knows it's 85, not 97 we are designated for a state density regulation which allows 2 and a half units per acre. If I could have my presentation come up . One of the things you will note is you have a full staff recommendation of support. This was not the first plan we submitted to the county. It was several months working through different reiterations of the plan. We have as your kid evidences from every single department that reviewed the application so from fire, police, from planning and traffic everyone has reviewed the application. In front of their home the roads are one way . How do roads get dedicated ? Roads are generally dedicated with development it's going to create three e. West and three north south additional roadways because we're going to have one 73rd, only the north half is dedicated. The south half of 1/73 on our side will be dedicated . 2/83 on the north on our side, the whole goal is these are not supposed to be one way streets . That's how you improve roads and create the circulation. The roads there thinking of will lead to 2/86 street as well as 1/73, 1/74, 1/75 and 176 and an additional sidewalk on 177. A lot of the concerns they've raised are going to be addressed with the application. If I can get to the next slide . We do have four requests before you. It's a district boundary change to eum where 12,000 is permitted if you use workforce housing. Number two is a lot frontage . One is district boundary, to its minimum lot size and four is the lot coverage. One thing to note is what is advertised is the maximum variance. While it MAY say 11,100 a larger percent comply with the minimum requirements lot sizes up to 20,000 so not every lost his seeking the reduction. The lot coverage is because while we are seeking variances we are looking to deliver state density product . That is adding a larger home and a lot coverage of 41 percent . Ru1, it's not out of character . If you can advance the screen . I'll have to remember I have this. This shows you where the property is. It is again between 284 and 286 and 174 . The perimeter streets will all contain dedications within the property. One other very important thing to turn around is this property is located within the urban development boundary. Plan promotes development adjacent to other development of this is inside the udb. This is the comprehensive plan. We are a state density residential like everything else around us. To the west of the udb is residential. Importantly, to the northeast, to the east, to the south is all so and eum so what we would be seeking is a district boundary change to eum consistent with the comprehensive plan and it is the same zoning that surrounds the property. So staff has reviewed and determined the district boundary change is consistent and they're going to try to go quicker. One of the things to address is housing affordability. We noted during the hearing you are not providing the housing on site. There are other properties we are representing with archimedes that are looking to provide housing on site. After the ordinances the beginning ordinances didn't work. They increase the incentive to provide workforce housing or affordable housing and came up with different methods. You can build it on site . You can build it offsite . You can donate lnd or donate to a affordable housing trust fund. Important and is based on the property so is this the ideal location for putting workforce housing or are there other ways to go? In order to utilize the workforce housing bonuses it would donate hundred $47,000 to the affordable housing trust fund . How does that differ? The trust fund details that in that fund 50 percent have to go to very low or extremely low income and for developing extremely low and it divides it up 50 percent have to go to very low and 40 percent have to go to extremely low why is that important? There being dealt on site is hard to develop something that can rent that rate . I'm just going to pass that . We have a conceptual site plan. 85 lots complying with this setback etc. This is the site plan. We are seeking eum zoning. The code says you can reduce , you can get additional density . Up to 25 percent. We are going up, we are allowed to and asked her acre. The code pacifically says if you live in one of these methods you can seek to increase your density to 25 percent more except for you can't get there if you are doing dedications of roads, dedications of streets because that takes up some of the area . Also I mentioned lot coverage before. Our lot coverage while we are seeking to 46 percent, we are 27, 28 percent so this is the last half, this is showing the roadways and if you look to the north you'll see the road is what runs to the street . The idea is to dedicate that roadway and build that roadway so again, our lot sizes and our lot coverage all are recommended for approval by staff . MISTER Chair, I have two extra minutes ? Thank you. Everything we are doing is within comments. With regard to workforce housing this is money to go into a fund to build the housing generally that fund was paid at permit. We've gone a step further. 60 days after approval we have committed to contributing those funds 60 days after final approval. Not at final permit which maybe sometime in the future . At 60 days if this is approved , to get 147,000 today. Not today, this year hopefully to start building homes. Again, it's 85. This is a total of 17 additional homes that again is supported by staff. Derm approves, every department that has reviewed this and again we have a complete staff recommendation of approval. In conclusion we are seeking a few variances that are in order to utilize the provisions of this very commission adopted with regard to the site plan and with that we are here for any questions. >>chair: commissioner cohen higgins . >>commissioner cohen higgins: i want to start by asking and again, MISTER Adler, thank you for the presentation but there were a number of things said are different than what I'm looking at so I need to gain clarity. Residents said the site is zoned agricultural, you said it's not currently zoned agriculture . >> it's designated as state density residential so we're not here with account plan amendment that is agriculture. It is designated as state density residential. It is zoned agriculture so in order to develop we rezone it from au at that's our first change is from au to eum. If we were zoned eum we wouldn't be able to seek the reverse. >>commissioner cohen higgins: you said under the plan currently you can do 65 homes on the 27 acres, is that accurate ? >> both the plan and zoning say in order to promote one of the five methods of affordable housing, the payment in this case what they do is they give you in the zoning code up to 25 percent bonus on top. Within the comp plan it says date density residential can get a 25 percent bonus which would bring it to 85 if you pay into the fund . >>commissioner cohen higgins: this applicant if they didn't file this application would be able to build the eight homes on these 27 acres? >> the board's policy is to allow up to 68 units so that applicant could submit an application for let's say eum. It would still be a zoning application they could not do it by right zoning for 68 units . They are submitting an application for eum and applying the workforce housing notices in any situation there must be rezoning to develop this property . >> I did not mean to mislead you on that. They're entitled to seek 68 plus 18 or 17 if you will, 85 . Any agriculture product can develop up to one per five acres unless it gets rezoned . >>commissioner cohen higgins: a lot of nuanced distinctions and this is to nathan . Right now it's zoned agricultural but with state density in the comp plan. What could be built from our resident standpoint as far as the number of units on this 27 acres absent this application. What are they able t build? >> one unit on five acres . >>commissioner cohen higgins: which is with the 27 acres just over five units so they are going over five units to be five units with workforce percent bonus and absent that it would be 68 units . MISTER Adler , everything you agree with on that ? >> I would note the current zoning designation is not consistent with the comprehensive plan . The goal of the plan is to try to bring consistency. Zoned au properties to the south have been zoned eum and there's no doubt that I showed you the comp plan map which is all gray. That's the distinction. The comp plan is the greenish color that's what sets we can see from a zoning standpoint. Thank you for that explanation at this is not just asking for an increase in density from the five homes on 25 acres, arguably five plus homes to 85 homes. You're asking also for our reduction in the minimum lot size. You want 11,000. You're also asking for a very on the minimum you're asking for 60. You're also asking for a minimum lot coverage variance. You're seeking 46 . What I'm highlighting for you is that this is an area that is rather unique in the county. It's agriculture all around. There's a lot of land and I appreciate that development is having their life concern is with the amount of loans that are being proposed. when you look at the aerial map what yu're losing is far more dense than te neighborhoods surrounding it. 10 nathan and our attorneys, what are our options? I don't like the amount of density that's being proposed on these 27 acres . That's what the zoning board, that's why they deny it because of the density. Can be proposed a lower density or do they have to come back and re-file the application? >> you can add additional variances but yes, you can propose for I don't measures that are less intense and that's common through the public hearing process . It could be less units that could be something that is discussed by the board and approved . >>chair: >>commissioner cohen higgins: I am concerned regarding its lack of density in the area so I don't know whether we decide this today. There is no ability to discuss this outside this public forum . >> this is +judicial. >>commissioner cohen higgins: we are not allowed to speak, I'm not allowed to residents either bcause of the loss attached to the zoning applications. I would like to see your density decrease. I'm concerned that density is simply too high and the other concern is we are all dealing with affordability crisis . Everybody wants affordable housing but nobody was in their backyard concerned in the redland is yes, there's a lot of development going on is not doing any justice for placing a dent in our affordability crisis because the prices of these homes are such that our young people or nurses are not able to afford so this would be 85 units that help a very serious problem in our county. I would like to see the density decrease. >> with regard to the density and the units . There is a balance . In order to provide products, they have a very high construction cost. It is difficult to build something for several hundred thousand. But there are different, without going higher in density than we can't do the density here. What the commission did when they amended the code for the workforce housing is they said we recognize and send it to another 16, leaving it only to the county to build workforce housing, it's not going to happen on these dying . It's got to be a joint effort and until that time, this is not working. we're not getting anything done. They said lt's increase the incentives to get that incentive is to provide identity increase but it's illusory because you can't get that density is unless you have smaller lots. We are consistent with the comp plan and the zoning. To do that we would have to increase. We have another project we're doing which is seeking to do development on site's location is not that this is we don't want to do affordable housing or provide workforce housing. It's to deliver a project that's consistent with the area. You can give me a minute to discuss regarding the density I MAY I appreciate what you're saying . I understand that the commission is has essentially said this is how we are going to promote it that in and of itself includes a density increase . To avail myself of increases associated with contributing, you do have to see that . If you don't here's no contribution. >>commissioner cohen higgins: I recognize that and understand the economics of the deal make a big difference when you're in the redland area, it's not ideal area workforce housing because it doesn't make sense economically which is why I was ready honest answer the a rapid transit zone and that's where we focus on placing the density. I don't know from the CHAIRMAN's perspective it would be fair for him to speak to his client on a reduction in density I don't know how you would like to MISTER German . >>chair: commissioner mcghee wanted to be recognized. >>commissioner mcghee: walked me through the historical nature of this item . From my understanding it did go to the community board . >> it went to the community council where it was denied. >> there should be seven. In this case we do have the resolution . We had six , it was a unanimous decision against . >>commissioner mcghee: and the community board is made up of community members. The names on seeing here... [Reading names] And they unanimously requested for denial of this item . This is an item , we're looking to take their decision and overturned their decision with the approval of two thirds from this particular board . >> correct, this is an appeal to this board. It's a de novo hearing. >>commissioner higgins: >>commissioner mcghee: currently owns the land? archimedes 22. >>commissioner higgins: >>commissioner mcghee: who owns archimedes 22? If you give me one second. It's the leonard family so different members of the family . >> it's leonard abness through a revocable trust . >>commissioner mcghee: so this land currently has the protection of agriculture designation, MISTER Attorney. >>county attorney: it is zoned agriculture, a state density designation. >>commissioner mcghee: here's my issue. This is why we fight for south dade. People have relocated to the south . We've been left out of the equation for economic growth for so long . We decide to place our generational wealth into our land and understand that land becomes our retirement plan for our children and then the others come in and asked us to five interlocks so that more money can be had from that one five acre lot , leaving us with deteriorating roads, less impact fees to out with the local schools, not having the park that most areas have access to and leaving us in a state of chaos. I cannot vote for this. But we ought to do is issue a moratorium in certain areas when you're dealing with agricultural land is high in theaters or above we should allow for folks to come in and subsequently change that to increase their density thereby increasing their profitability . This is probably one of the most discouraging pieces of legislation I've seen against the south dade community . This is not simply asking for density. This is an attack against the lifestyle of south dade . I'm going to ask my colleagues to vote no . Maintain what it is and what has been and what will forever be I said before and I will say it again . This county is partly responsible for creating the quagmire, reading the bible we see a flesh out our agricultural system, farmers are not able to farm their land. They hit them with fees and fines and then they expect farmers to stay there and maintain and cultural lifestyle when they can't do it because the fines and fees are being hit with her forcing them to sell their properties to dollars wants to come in and change their lifestyle I will not stand this is an insult each and every last one of us for farmworkers and those of us at the south dade community. Keep it at one house per five acres. Anything short of that is just ridiculous. >> it in a slogan to my client last to seek a deferral like to address some of your comments. It is the boards will we would like to see a deferral of the application to the SEPTEMBER hearing. I'm sorry MISTER Chair. >>commissioner mcghee: cohen higgins has reminded me she still has the floor. >>commissioner cohen higgins: our last zoning hearing there was an application by archimedes district 9. You didn't make that statement at that time. You made it today when it's in district 8 and instead you deferred that application at archimedes at a similar application in district 9. I appreciate your set . It's always our jb board to balance the interests with the obvious lifestyle that we enjoy and commissioner transit mcghee if you want to place a moratorium I encourage you to bring to do exactly that but I am happy to move to denver the item because again, there is a policy in miami day county established by this board that we need more inventory of the homes within the urban development boundary. And so obviously it's our job to balance those but this application has two great density and if you read the transcript at the end of our package, those members overlook planning board di this MISTER Adler, you were there so you know what the concerns are this is what's so wonderful the residents came and spoke today and I thank you for taking the time to drive. I know that me in the south are getting more of these applications than anyone else because we have the most valuable commodity in the county which is land and me are tasked with these difficult decisions so thank you for coming down here but was beautiful and brilliant and amazing about the residents of the south is that we are reasonable. We know these changes are happening and it's rare my residents say no development ever. We don't want anything ever. Instead as we heard from our residents we say make it compatible with what we are enjoying across the street is 17,000 square-foot lot as opposed to what's being proposed which is the line. I think this application needs a little bit more work. I'd like to see the density reduced so with that I moved to differ the class it I MAY be recognized. >>chair: I will entertain you in a second, I just want to comment on something. I paid special attention to committee counsel's action. But I don't want to MISS This moment to divorce this conversation with the general affordability conversation that we have on housing in general. If we are speaking honestly everyone talks about how we are being priced out part of the reason we are priced is because for the better part of decades we've been making decisions lots just like this is the idea of the american dream is your single-family home everyone wants housing consistent with what they have in their neighborhood if you don't have more conversations about density and it can't just be density in the urban core. We can't ever bring dwn housing prices so I deference to district commissioner she wants to defer it but at some point this is the conversation that leads to on affordability . So I want us to be all clear about the conversation that leads to on affordability. You can't build, it doesn't happen that way. You can't build density in those areas and ring down cost . When we say we are pricing teachers and government workers, we are doing that this conversation is in fact part of that. I see commissioner hardemon. We have moved and seconded a deferral so be brief. >>commissioner hardemon: this is 12,000 square feet and above, how big are those lot sizes? >> these homes will be 11,000 square feet . >>commissioner hardemon: I'm asking for the estate, what's the square footage on the estate plot? >> we have a wide range of estate categories. We have eum which is 15,000 square feet, over 2 teachers . >>commissioner hardemon: you're talking about lots of land where people say don't rebuild anything smaller than this in my neighborhood which is a sensitive issue especially when you ae talking about the districts where 35 5000 square feet . If people could move. We agree that their lifestyle choice that people have based on where they live when you're talking about not building density in areas you're talking about moving the udb as well. You can't say I want to move the udb but also build homes on 11,000 square feet of land . It's beginning to become preposterous in that sense. If we are going to move udb, no one's letting out there, great. We're going to build large buildings out there with all density every time we move it will bring in thousands of residents to ensure we have enough housing yet you want to keep it the way you want to keep it. We have to be honest about the land supply we have in miami the county and what it takes to move people into the community. Then it's interesting when you start talking about workforce housing. You don't want it. When this area that has square-foot lots and homes are 500,000 . 500,000 or more, it's tranquil and there's no development . We say we don't want to be workforce housing, but that's exactly where it should be instead eisai we have an 11,000 square-foot lot in the inner cities and wants to put as you put it when you talk about affordable housing trust fund, the loi places there. No one's you take the high but we're saying there should be more affordable options or everyone to live in all parts of miami-dade county. When you wonder why there's so much crime is because of the concentration of poverty. People don't have the options doing lots of different things . So give people the opportunity to learn more about miami day county and I think our communities will do better. I think you need a deferral because if not you have a problem on this board today. >>commissioner regalado: I am the only one that has to... Okay. I want to add something that's important because I was born and raised here when I was a kid miami-dade county ended the day land and everyone lost their minds. The whole when it was built in 1950 was part of an acre lot that was split and split . My current home is on 6000 acres . I'm sorry, 6000 square feet. >>chair: you live on north dakota ! >>commissioner regalado: 6000 square feet but the lot behind me is less than 4000 square feet . You can't even get a trashcan around the line. That was actually sold off my own home 25 years ago . When you look at certain parts of our county and you say you get a 4000 where as you go back to the plot you're going to see they didn't start with those sizes. They started much bigger over time what people did was tell their most valuable asset that was there and spit split their lots until we get to a point where the plan says you can split no more. I mention this because as we go into areas that are now starting to gow, this is painful and it's always been painful. But the comp plan is made to entice people to come into these areas and do county what we established as a priority where going to change that then we need to change the plan . We don't do it in a zoning application. So just be careful in terms of the process and what you're saying because this impacts the entire county . The rules that we have currently in our plan were designed as the CHAIRMAN Said to create more affordability and more inventory . This is not about whether you have a house or condo. It's about creating more inventory and the more inventory you have the lower prices so it's not a house on a five acre lot does not add to our inventory that's really the root problem. And to commissioner hardemon's point, if you're not going to do the housing here, where are you going to do it? If we're going to designate areas we don't want to see this development we need to do that in hallway that is in accordance with the comp plan. That is noticed so that people who buy these properties are on notice. If you want to make our radical change that change should be made at the comp plan level, not at a zoning meeting extra things from applications because we are supposed to be abiding by our comp plan. That's a conversation we need to have before we deal with these applications so that we are clear as to where we want housing and what we want it to look like. >>chair: begins on deferral . >>commissioner higgins: I want to call your comments . Have an acute affordable housing crisis. We have had every price point. Just yesterday I was having a conversation with one of our county attorneys about both for young adult professional college educated children or young adults unable to afford to live here. And it is quite straightforward . We are short hundreds of thousands of units . We stopped building in the 2008 crisis which of course of financial crisis and never caught up . And we are land constrained to glaze over here, it relates to the south and our county is blocking us to the north. But the reality is I do not have a single day where I talk to someone who's kid is moving, whose sister is moving because they are afraid they cannot afford to live here. I live in the densest district and I represent the most density of anybody and it's traumatic in my district also. Wat is this, 20 acres and you're talking about 60 houses. I have a property in brickell and I'm building 645 families with a place to live rather than a reason to leave miami dade cunty . I realized that density is completely inappropriate in redland. Their hard decisions for me to because when I put another high-rise in downtown brickell, we are building on the skin is streets on the world because way back then mary brickell did job of designing the width of the street so I am building housing but I also know I am creating traffic. If I have to say you I want a car stuck in traffic for people on the street I know how to answer that question. I love people living in housing . Do not become confused that it is hard to make these decisions about density only in the redland. It is hard in every neighborhood. I know every time I had another high-rise and putting people on the streets . I know what I am doing every day I choose homes over cars and I encourage us to do the same or I tell you, our housing crisis is going to get worse, not better. And density and living with our neighbors is how it works. I don't talk about this for other people. I also live in a condominium and wen people talk about those people live in apartments, I have one of those people lives in . I don't use a lot of electricity . And I don't drive so I don't even create hydrocarbon pollution very frequently. So there's a lot of benefits having people living in smaller units where they see their neighbors because they don't have to get in a car to always drive around to see them. Understand this is difficult because more density is difficult everywhere, not just in district eat and I am glad to see you are open to make sure housing is built and we secure miami dade county as a people can live as they are growing up, getting educated, entering the workforce and starting their families. >>chair: all those in favor of deferring the item. >> if I MAY confirm for purposes of not having to re-advertise this would be a deferral to the SEPTEMBER 20 zoning meeting. >>chair: SEPTEMBER 20, yes. Yes. That's a motion to defer this item until SEPTEMBER 20 zoning meeting. all in favor signify by saying aye show it did for all right. SEPTEMBER 20. >> west group developers llc z 20/20 zero 84, 19 protests, no waivers. >>chair: no waivers . >> this is a public hearing. When we open the public hearing. Public hearing is open. Let me call some names so you can come up and speak on item if we could have a person that does these lists. The six font isn't really working. Akbar ingram . Ernest hamilton . [Reading names] You all line up at the podiums. You have to minutes. >> northwest 107th street. I am here to oppose the development as you heard from the earlier presentation a developer wants to build on this particular lot 60+ units on a smaller acre. Now, what we have to see is in the comprehensive master plan it says conservation of land and natural resources will occur in the next 10 to 20 years. I was at a meeting learning about the flood protection level of service . Where this development is going to be be built will directly impact the everglades restoration project i have information from a doctor of the hydraulic department of south florida water management . One thing about this area is it will increase traffic in this area and they will build these thai family units where will the traffic go and the pollution it will cost to the waterway system. We have other issues that need to be addressed before we deal with the housing in this area. We have stormwater drainage issue and flooding in the area also so I wanted to know if this could be , if this motion could be caused until the south florida water management does a study to see the effects of how this development would decrease or improve water flow but we also have residents that live on the north side of 107 do not want to let it housing also the florida fish and wildlife conservation is they are trying to protect the so I'm trying to speak on behalf of not only the community also the environment . >>chair: thank you . >> I live at 1180 northwest 99th street , is a very beautiful area. Saul quiet area that I love that is having flooding issues but I'm not here to talk about that. I am vice PRESIDENT Of the twin lakes north shore homeowners association . We were never informed . We were never contacted to a point to help this developer out .- to help increase or develop our neighborhood . We want to keep our neighborhood in the character that it was actually founded in. We are looking to continue our neighborhood and our area to stay a single-family home because we believe that single-family homes are aware families really gather and come together . Apartments you know over the past even through our present has always been reduced have been reduced t a lot of things that are criminal activity and we don't want that density in our neighborhood . If this developer wants to collaborate with us, our door is open. We don't want to stop progress. We just want to be a part of it. No one contacted our board to let us know that this project even ws on the table to be done. They snuck it past us and I say no to this and I hope you guys will say no to it and let's work together. >>speaker: my name is lynette hernandez, 105th street. I totally opposed. I think building those apartments will bring crime to our neighborhood. i personally have been knocking on all the doors and I haven't found one neighborhood that is approved with the requirements. I think it's going to build traffic . We are going to have a sewer problem and only, and in the rental fee will have people coming in and out and personally I'm going to build in the future of pool. My daughters are worried . My worry is for the privacy so I'm going to have maybe apartments looking every day in my backyard. And I really don't like that. I'm almost finishing up o 5000 home square foot home . So we are new to the neighborhood . Our neighborhood is super quiet . Everybody knows each other. And I think the rental, we will have lack of privacy . Crime. Traffic . We have maybe four exits . We have four schools and it's a lot of traffic in the morning. And I am totally opposed to the construction of rental apartments. Can go at alternating podiums . >>speaker: JANUARY 12, 1930 northwest court. I am a second generation resident of miami . My mother introduced me to home ownership after my father was murdered when I was 10 years old . I am for affordable housing and housing in particular. If you go, you have homes on 105th on 104th is designated for duplexes . Duplexes are better than the six tory 55 unit housing they want to put up , apartments. And ys , commissioner begins, you say your condominium is an apartment. No, your condominium is ownership . >>chair: pause the time. First, a couple of things. If we could have more quiet the dais and we don't direct comments to board members specifically. >>speaker: I apologize, this is my first time. I am not an activist but I do want to say we are dealing with 119/800 units coming in. On 22nd , there's another hundred plus apartment units going up and if you look around the area there's no many apartments which is fine. People don't need to be on the street . Not those apartments. Thank you so much. >>speaker: my name is ella and my address is 9815 northwest 13th avenue. 33147. I have nothing against the developer who wants to develop as well , I would love the neighborhood to remain the same. Single-family homes where kids could grow up and see greenery, hear the birds sing. Maybe help their neighbor. An apartment will bring in more people and there are probably going to be more crime and we want to live in peace. Help everyone be neighborly. We don't need that high traffic coming in and out. Thank you. I hope you phoned know. >>speaker: my name is agnes, 2100 . Today I am totally puzzled because I think about three years ago I think the developers tried to build units that were then 58 units . Before that was also another number and as I see it today they're trying to build a units and all property that is no better than what it was then as I see it again today they have the ea units they want to build and in order to want to change the zoning so they can get more. My question is what is the purpose of rezoning get more and then increasing traffic, increased crime, flooding, increased crime. What is the purpose of that ? The residents in that area don't want that there. They have signatures on the first saying we don't want this so governs the developers ? At what point do you stop. Now there at 88 . When does it stop, who number ? The neighbors say we don't want that and it's going to continue growing in an area where the only thing you can do is go upstairs and make it a change in zoning so you can increase it and the neighbors have to suffer. The neighbors say no . I am hoping the commissioners will hear their neighbors say no . >>speaker: good morning , 105th street . And we live in a qiet neighborhood . And to build an apartment in the sky because that's the only way they can put one of those units there they're going to have to go up on top and it's going to be a city like new york . We don't want that in our neighborhood. Because it will cost just like the rest of the people say a lot of chaos. And also it's a flooded area and what are they going to do about that zoning ? i am totally against it so I hope all of you will turn this application down. >>chair: thank you . >>speaker: my name is ernest hamilton, 1982 on the duplex, 104th street . I've been living there for 52 years and all of a sudden they want to pack so much stuff in your our area we don't have roads or traffic. What they're trying to do , we don't even have room to move anymore. >>chair: thank you . >>speaker: linda harris, 5790 northwest 151 street. I represent a group of women and we all own oversized parcels of land that's been handed down to us. We're all willing and ready to develop this land. Give us a chance to build on these oversized parcels is going to create generational wealth. We want to be part of the solution of affordable housing . >>chair: hold on one second. She needs to have rhythm on a specific item. It's a public hearing on this item. Are you speaking about this item because I don't have your name tested as the speaker so if you could make sure you fill out a card that would be good. Continue. >>speaker: I am CHAIRWOMAN For the miami aid chamber and is my focus to build on our land . What's the point of having all these incentives when we can't even build on the land our grandmothers left us so what we would like to say is please approve this because my other group of women will be coming in front of you to ask the same thing. We'd like to create wealth for ourselves and our family . >>chair: okay. >>speaker: I grew up in the area, walk to school every day . I propose the rezoning of that. You're talking about five hours across the street from my aunts property where we have our family gatherings. Over 60 units. There are no buildings in that area that are over two sories so this will dramatically change the entire area. There's already a traffic problem I don't understand why they can't deal with that first . That impact fee will not do anything for what's already going on with the kind now or the roads were the schools so I implore this commission to deny the resulting of this from west group. Thank you. >>speaker: my name is danny moreno , northwest 22nd court and I'm writing to express my opposition to the rezoning of the application made by west group which would classify the residence from ru1. It seeks to alter the character of the neighborhood. It was fundamental when I made my choice to purchase my home. The low density of the area were the key elements drove me into this particular neighborhood. Any change undermines these features. A change in zoning is consistent with the comprehensive plan and current ru1 zoning aligns with comprehensive master plan as pertains to low density. The proposed to rezone signifies a change to a medium density disrupting the character of our neighborhood and is inconsistent with the communities comprehensive plan and furthermore florida statute 167 section 8 indicates all development undertaken should ensure the public health safety and welfare. Increased residential density could lead to a lot more traffic, a lot more noise posing the risk of health safety and welfare of existing residents . My humble request of the board of commissioners to take into consideration these factors that are crucial to the well-being of our residents and reject the application made eye west group. I wanted to mention it was mentioned in this commission that brickell was trying to build more housing. I actually worked in brickell. i make a six figure salary and I left that area because I cannot afford it. >>speaker: I believe it's good morning. I'm here to summarize and concur with what the gentleman said. We need to look at development congruency and I understand the need for affordable housing we need to look at compatibility and we are requesting this particular proposal which I understand is all multi story apartment building on a particular site flanked by two single-family homes is not congruency within the area. It impacts the quality of life and we asked the commission rejected. >>chair: kent, did you speak? And the other name was emma Mcswain. Did you speak? Becky gilmore . >>speaker: 1875 northwest 115 street. >>chair: and your name is linda Mcswain. >>speaker: emma. I am definitely against this because number one we keep saying affordable. Workforce. But we are not saying what the price would be and there would be so many deleted from the area that we're in. Traffic is going to be so congested . It's already like that where we are. my thing is please vote against. Because it's going to be our disaster for our community . I appreciate you allowing me to speak but think of the issue it would cause if we allow this to happen. >>speaker: my name is becky, 11254 northwest 22nd avenue . I would like to see this item approved. I too am a property owner who would like to develop and there is housing crisis in miami dade county and we want affordable housing but they don't want it in their area. The assumption that apartments would automatically ring crime , please excuse me but that's not an automatic . People who live in apartments will automatically be criminals, that's not a fair assumption. There is a housing crisis. The tenants that rent my home they are veterans and there's a long waiting list. And I was turning over my property from one set of tenants to the next, the people fixing it up, I got people asking is it for rent, is it available? There is a great need in miami dade county . We have these oversized locks and we like to maximize it and provide housing for people. >>chair: the last name I have is linvall harris. Public hearing on this item, let me check this name. Evelyn chambers. Public hearing is now closed. How much time , to the district commission first. What's your preference here? >>commissioner bastien: I need some clarification because some of the residents talked about 10 stories and when I look at the pictures I see two stories . You know what I man. >> I think there's an opportunity for request for time for rebuttal and we wll try to keep it to 15 minutes . >>chair: I think you're underestimating your self. You can keep it to 10 minutes . >> my offices are at 1450 brickell avenue and I'm here item 14a and I'm accompanied by the principle of westgroup. There was another large application that took the entire time and by the time they called the application were five minutes left in the availability of that room so we were deferred . When we came back in MAY we were deferred for lack of quorum and in JUNE we were deferred at that point it triggered our option to ask our item be moved over to commission and that's why we are here . This is a 4.8 gross acre parcel located at 1927 w. 105th street historically this has been an eyesore to this community because it's been a dumping ground of sorts as are several of the vacant lots in the area. Our request is to rezone from ru1 to r13m but I also have heard medium density and I want to make sure that history of this property not only in the last three months but three years to the comprehensive plan amendment process is very clear before this commission today. In JANUARY of 2020, this commission adopted ordinance 2117. And the ordinance adopted by the commission read designated this property is designation from low density residential to low density residential with one density increase which allows for development up to 13 units per gross acre . Requested zone change is to r13m which maximizes density 12.9 units to the acre so I wanted to make sure no misunderstandings are on the record as to what this offer is trying to achieve. This developer is bringing an application that