Historic Preservation Board

for the Pledge of Allegiance. led states of America. To parents. you justice for all. >> Probably the pledge of conduct. We may disagree, but we will be respectful to one another. We will direct all comments to issues and we will avoid personal attacks. there any changes to the order of the day? No, ma'am. Show we make a movement for of the draft minutes. >> We'll make a motion to approve the draft and Tuesday, June 9th 2026. second, you. can do it by consensus. Agreement. Thank you that. So we have citizen input. We do. I was a roads. He's come forward. >> Thanks to be back. Elizabeth Rose on the city resident with a keen interest in historic preservation I want to thank the Sur Sur satellites for store preservation. They're doing upcoming candidate forum solely focused on historic preservation course. I'm interested in that. I hope you all are. If they would allow it, I think would be great opportunity to find a target, rich environment, interest in the subject to talk about our city's programs with the QR code or a handout or 2 minutes at the mic for Susan issues. There. So just thought I'd pass along. Maybe you all want to go to and I'm sure will talk about taking this muldowney. We'll talk about it. So since my visits here, I've started doing a little bit of research. I I try not to just come up and complain that try to come up with the king. What are what are some solutions? What are other communities doing? So I I Dana, deep dive into a few communities and thought I'd share some of that with you. Sarasota is special, but we're not unique. Their call struggling with demolitions and how to. Get the community understand what's historic. What is the process? What does it mean? What are their obligations? What are the benefits? So you're not alone in endeavor. Some common themes are market pressures to redevelop because oftentimes these are in very desirable locations, a lack of awareness of what properties are designated, especially when someone is buying it. A lack of understanding of the benefits and obligations and the need for ongoing outreach to the community because just because you do it once 1000 new people move in, you know, in the next few months after that. So Coral Gables is one of the ones I wanted to submit was established in 1925, it was one of the first master-planned communities in Florida by George Merrick. One of the things he did was integrated workforce housing into the communities that they would always have people that could work there. Well, those buildings are now under pressure because they're in great locations. They want to become a million dollar condo or house or something. One thing that I've seen there is 2 older properties side by side are combining them joining them at the back because, OK, this person needs a bigger house. And this house is right there. So it saves to potential demolitions and gives that property owner some variances and things like that. But really interesting concept. And I don't think we've had that here. Titusville, which is on the East Coast near Cape Canaveral. Actually came across an announcement on architecture, Sarasota that Marty Hilton did a presentation there. And the presentations on YouTube completely different in Sarasota. It's a lot of midcentury modern houses that we're built as that space program and aerodynamics and all of that came into play. A Q and A from the audience. Even there showed a great need to educate them. They they had some success utilizing yard signs on designated properties. I think it was in conjunction with Historic Preservation Month. Also they have recognition without designation program and I apologize. I probably watched that video 3 months ago that surgery since that. I mean, I just I know that they talked about it local designations, voluntary and depend on the property and agreeing to the designation. As you can imagine. I think that's a fabulous idea. And my last one is Winter Park, which is my husband and I were married there. I lived there for many years and a historic, you know, bungalow House that was established in late 18 80's and after they did a public awareness campaign in 2021, they're designations doubled. They averaged about one a year the year before they had 6, which is like a wind fall and it was old school. They mailed a letter to 40 40 property owners that had properties that look like they have potential to be designated they got a response from 12, which is a pretty good return on direct mail at the 28 they re cent those letters and the got another 3. And how many those ultimately decimated. But least they got the information out there into the community. They have some unique incentives. I think Winter Park owns there. Electric utility. They will pay to underground utilities if someone designates they have a matching funds program for we're moving because not every house in Winter Park. It's going to set it as it is is mansion where the and I mean, there's a lot of people that could use that help they held the program for Realtors. Just explain to them designation, gave them some resources, gave them some information. My favorite thing is not only to property or have to agree to designate only the property owner or their designated represented can make application local designation again, I think that's a fabulous idea. rose to 3 minutes want her to continue. almost done. Like everyone else. They're under exceeding pressure for demolitions. They're reevaluating historic designation process. Now they're updating the Florida, my master site file serving now. And that should be completed this year. But if you've ever been to park, I mean, so so so many wonderful homes there. And I think our master site file has about 11,000 properties on it just in the city. This affects so many owners. I hope that the zoning text a member will address some of this that that we can do more proactive outreach, maybe in conjunction with the Allies for historic preservation just so people can understand the benefits of allegations. And that's my story. Thank you. Thank Thank you very Appreciate your research. I feel like an intern okay. We have reached the discussion phase. >> So we're going to have a discussion with representatives of 507, complex court regarding start time and place. you >> And if you say your names before you speak into the microphone, >> But it you >> My name is a Mason airs and I'm the director development for Resurrection. House. I'm Joe Root. The executive director of resurrection of what is so its architecture with picks. Jean Alexander of a project manager with his words and actions. Just to set the Resurrection were nonprofit that serves our community. Why help in the course of the 4 walls? Looking to right around the corner walk about sweating today, which is abnormal we help about 1000 different people. year, about 300 We provide essential services to people experiencing homelessness and hoping for those who are willing step out of giving people a sense. We don't receive any government funding funding those city County state or federal funding are where we operate is to private funding through individuals and We've been our current since 1993. The reason we're here today is that the historical wooden that front's are comfort court is writing this and you prepare. During heavy rains. There's gaps within the structure. Your water comes to the building. I can't even power wash the sidewalk as troops come out of the structure. So as you can imagine, with all as we wait on the sidewalk in the morning, our duty to our west, but can't even do that because the structure. These helped one of the challenges that we face is due to limited funding. We always have to make that choice. Do we help what programs homeless? Or do we invest in the building? And if you do one, others hurt. So that's a challenge. And fortunately, the even our communities very generous. It's hard raise money to help the homeless. Trust me. We do development. It's not Back in 2012, the historical preservation were approved. The replacement of the windows in the transom wouldn't want those present at our building. But due to costs ensure part shows not to move forward. So they have that decision and they chose to do program instead. The kick the can down the road. And that's what we're here so many years later that the wooden structures in the worst condition now. The reason we're here today is that we want to walk you through all approach a historical preservation of the facade that balances cost with restoration. We know it's not the perfect way of doing that. That's how we can make your workplace or finances and what we're asking towards your help and making this project one that we can't afford, that we can continue serve the community. and to go into the by the turn of year. If I can use the yes, how it is. For the Friday circuit picture. >> So here's a little bit of The property 1935. For a of that, which is the fresh from the top. In 1989. See good to see it before or after the center. The whole from fish rots right away. He did. So that's the good C it really replace. And the bottom for athletes looks now. Here is close-up of one of the base that gives you an idea what it looks like. the I still pointed out the issue here is how the we get the he started. Character of the building. My pain. Well, at the same time being able to for them, the floor it. So we have a look at this from your perspective. One, obviously the story they should all of it. But then cost. Maintenance and then he officials see us well, because for them, it's not only the initial cost, it's the cost of maintenance, which is the environment which have to live. And then on top of that is the energy consumption, which he said they are part of their expenses well. So this is the way that the one of the base look right now. It's look falling apart. The thing. So what we're proposing to do is to use of a little bit system that let me see if I can site but said, I can. So could see that. The red trying to maintain that exact the element of framed this system that we're using is very similar to the one that lets us and says that I school when they get the window replacements. We'll So it has been done before and we feel that given the circumstances there, we have similar circumstances. And in our case to justify this one of the things, as I is that if we were to, by the way, this is impact. Which they need to protect the investment that they're doing and renovating the interiors at this point, the property inside, if we were to do this, the store front in impact and wood. It would really possible because the sections of the wood, I'm not going to give us that send. Look of those grates that are existing there. So the only way out would be it, not impact resistant in wood and that case we might be able to do something Even with that. The cost of that would be much higher. It would have the issue of the cost main difference that we were talking about us. Well. The fact of that the blast was proposing to which is, in fact, but it's also in some it. have to assemble You can see. As you can see, that's an last this next and we So if we're trying to do this and would again, the weight of it, it starts creating situation with trying to get. The look. All of So I guess. But we are. Here to present to you is went on to lose the best we can produce. What's there? The driver led. He started early and wood. It would be dramatically difficult for them to do anything that would be similar. So with that, I want to you with more details. I'm willing to hear your when the These are not the skill. The one on the right is not to the scale. By the way, that the different scales. But but at least you can see the proportions were trying to get the proportion sun. Making that The one certainty. I'm sure that. >> investigation to see the masonry. They base reopening is has been called for a certain goal recent storms what shape is. They are able to be a good option that you could go into coating to in the system. Yes, have a not factor working on. was They have moved into it. >> As a matter of fact, they will probably have to do some of Obviously that would not be visible. But yes, it would need to be improve are a force in some areas because it is even the break. It's soft. This it's it's really not in good So we are counting on the fact that we're going besides the going. We have a big glass. I'm praying. We don't know, have to do additional work, which they're aware. But it's a good question. You're absolutely right. >> Considering how thick the new glazing system is. Are you able to still setback the storefront system from the the main yes. >> Yes, we are. And we've got to work on that. Yeah, let me show you here. So If you see here with joined the same setbacks. >> So Warriors team >> yeah, those will be replaced well. in the north with the Green Month. The U.S. would be applied on both sides. So obviously the have to be applied because the big problem in today's world and impact is that all those little battles holding on of the month. Things that are I'm not holding. So it is pane of glass that both sides. So it looks as close as to the real thing. would be element of the whole system would be the is that the maintenance that for them is because with the rain saw them everything fact a couple of close by would do is that we have seen we actually have photographs of those and there it is a for-profit business and it's looking terror. very difficult in our climate. The Monday that their brain to us. us are a really limit that I see. You've got to sure. >> I know you mentioned the windows at Sarasota it said place twice. >> Yeah. The the last 3 correct? Yes. Stay If it yes. And to be clear, the the windows and doors are there now are not actually original to the building. They just look the same. >> Yes, that's correct. It's not like we're losing original wood in the process. >> I want ask you could say for about 4 or if I show is a bit that building was in such bad shape. The city allow us to go into the building So we into the neighborhood. I put So think about. So that tells, you know, the condition of I actually it. It was. So some of that structure time. I'm feeling And that's ballot. It's kind of you in you pointed out, many cases not in very good shape. going to like the lawyers, I don't I don't know what alternative would be on the sleeve food fight had been test with the same. >> The school. I think this is that's good. looks very nice. It comes to proportions the original one. It's an improvement to keep the building for you. What I'm seeing, any objection to compatible design. >> Yeah. By the way and destroying they are both at the same scale. So you could see while the left is existing. Well, the right The proposed and you've got to see, Dana, how close it is. It's not identical, but it's close. >> And you mentioned will be the >> The but the mountains and would be on both sides as because their profile. >> placement. All right. of course, we'll bring that application to you guys. The review comment on They were just trying to to if we're going in the right direction you have a mayoral position. What turned to for this to see yeah, that time we can bring samples not only of the glass pit of the met all month in 7 on that. So. Towns been, looking good. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you for your time. as >> just for the sake of time chair, I might ask he's at the board's position will. This is Mike Mike Perry. >> The way >> are Any change in material to the The side requires the board's approval, but it's a change out of doors and windows. That the same dimension can be done administratively. And since the windows doors and Tran sums are replacement. There is an opportunity potentially to approve in street of Lee. I just in, you know, with thoughts to timing and Is that something that the board would want? For Syria? >> I I think that if it's exactly the same as what we saw here today is a deviation from that, then that would raise a flag. Okay to get back here. But, you know, I'm so comfortable ministry. >> I can think about is that. If it during investigations, you find that wall is That's going to take extensive, have you know, the parts of the store fund. We're actually replacing the tyranny wall. The new laws would. And it's also that we provided no details correct with that. Like a And some stuck on the outside. >> Yeah, the whole system would have now the sides would have show bear. To be able to come back to be able get the resistance. Yeah, they're drawing shows. >> So I'm all right to proceed potentially with a misread of unless there are some grandiose change. very much. >> Thank Appreciate it. Okay. We reach the topics by word section. thanks to discuss. Well, I can't let you know about candidates >> we want to make sure everything you on Saturday and thank you for bringing that up. Sarasota lines for start preservation in conjunction with the historical society and Architecture. Sarasota is hosting a candidates forum. >> As a cropper church of And so welcome everybody to join us. It is on Eventbrite and you can register if you would like. But if you don't have the opportunity to register, feel free to come anyway and we'll be talking to the candidates about issues. Yeah, both related to preservation, but also that neighborhoods and conservation things like that. I'm Thank you. Thank you. >> And information about that can be found on the Sarasota Lines for Start Preservation website. Yes. Anything else by the board? >> You said what Yes. All right. Moving on the topics. Bison. >> All right. Very quickly. So you have your draft of the annual border that will be going to the commission originally was for August 3rd, but their agenda filled up. So we will be on August, 17th and Mister Frank, you would be comfortable delivering that as the share that time again, it's for the calendar year 2025. So you're seeing previous information. We did also a summary of all the meeting so this has to go to commission. July 23rd. Maybe July 31st. Excuse me. In order to get on the August Commission schedule. So I'm not sure if everyone a chance look at it. If you'd still like little more time and let me know by email. Thoughts. >> So it's just this is the first time we've done something like that. >> No, But the last time was quite some time ago because of the timing of when they schedule each board person. even though we're into will be into August of 2026, will be doing the 25. So as I think you had an early one the previous year, I think you might have in February. 25 but Doctor Cliff did every year with the board. I don't I have to previous reports with me and I can see who signed off on them. To Mister Fan. Jeanne, I'm just >> And I. Specifically did not for those pages. I'm sorry. It's tracing My apologies. But yes, we have them for every year like the last 15 so it's standard quiet for the commission that homes. >> I think you have to do an annual report for the certified local government. >> Yes, as he well and that we did, I believe October of 2025. See be seeing one coming up pretty soon for that, too. >> So it's presentation to commission. The Historic Preservation Board was able to achieve time the previous year. >> Yes, the really accounting to some degree, but also some chairs decide to make comments. And Euna discuss larger with the commission. we start with the boilerplate a templet. >> and then you can expound from their like okay. sure, I can do that. and hats. That's going to be August 17th. And I believe it's at the top of the agenda of the meeting starts at 09:00AM. And I'll confirm all of that. board, would you like me to wait for additional comments? I okay. factory. >> The part reserve summarize don't need any for Is telling. then. >> I'm just going to say it looks like if we have an August meeting will have that before the report is given and did you will. But I have to put in the board report, right? Yes, into the system before that. But you mentioned that Ramsey could make some comments at the to absolutely so I guess that if we all have some points, we could share that with you. I feel this meeting have. >> Okay. Yeah. That's great. OK? >> Cherish. Let all of that to the agenda for the Chi continue. Is that So the next thing I want to bring everyone's attention is we have, of course, 5 Preservation Board members right now. 3 have already aged out and very kindly agreed to continue to serve. >> But we now had a request to join the board >> Doctor Christopher Wilson and that position that he would fill would be for the citizen at large, which is the position Mister Khan sell. Gonzales holds. So I just wanted to everyone know that that is in the queue, if you will, doctor Thompson, a doctor. I'm Wilson will be meeting with each of the commissioners. It will be placed on future agenda. So you may have to continue to serve this for a month or 2. Here are based on the letter. We know that that's let's look at how committed he is. I know even though I rough them up and the The next item just some quick updates for you. If I may 908, Camillo Avenue which you approved a conditional demolition at the previous meeting, they've already been coordinating with Sarasota County this division on the language for their historic marker and that draft language will be going to the Sarasota County Historical on their September agenda for preliminary review. And healthy waiting to bring conceptual design plans for the work to you when when they're completed. The U.S. Garage appeal. I believe the last thing I shared with you is that this had gone to board of Adjustment who had determined that they didn't have standing and that is now being appealed to the circuit court. So keep you updated on that as well. That will be the primary issue of standing and then it would go to the next level of standings is determined. We I have let you know previously that 18, 19 mysterious street was going to appeal inability to demolish the property. And originally was intended to go on the August. Nope, sorry, July. 20th agenda. And that has changed at the last minute. We now think it will be on the August 17th agenda. Just giving an update on that. And then if I may invite our summer interns up here again to join us, Alexander Kraus and Rent Perk to give us a impromptu update on what they've been working on this summer. >> Don't forget to introduce yourselves. My name on it you. Life goes is to shine. You >> All This to you all remember. As for what I've been working out recently, I've been constructing a lot of the surrounding documentation, not for what we will give the public regarding the TD our program. >> has addressed. Make sure you talk mic out. Sorry. >> Has addressed earlier in this meeting when for bigger for historical properties is from the pressure of development, particularly in areas like downtown in the two-year program is one of our solutions to that of island. Then transfer that right. So I have been rather surly going in-depth north to try out a program guide. And he's been my crew to do list. On top of that. I've been reconstruct restructuring a lot for actual file and Stuart system for how we organize information, Better District documents and so on. I wish I could go into specifics, but it's kind of like along for processed. Very fascinating. I love getting into it and I've learned quite a bit about zoning codes, particularly our future land use plan and how that factors into the TV Yeah, the start of the summer is a shovel doing standard here. been doing a simpler use for because you've been working on. >> Yeah. So for the record, my name is Alexander across all again. I still been away at the owners and sellers Manual for historic Properties and City of Sarasota. So I've been working through lately the for the state building code, the city zoning Code Fire code FEMA code and writing and researching on the flexibilities that exist for designated properties and rewards that can we're trying to. Maintain factional toner, writing, but also make sure designation comes across as an opportunity more so than overhead. So it's been something getting as well. And also researching why historic preservation organizations that work nationally like the trust are saying and looking into the ecosystem of the of the interior money. But the bullet ends and all that thing, all those Susan has been super amazing about giving us lots of applied experience. So we have a chance recently to Tour with a really are those incidents toward property for the first time, of great plan about inspections and more and So we're looking at answering those kinds of questions, too. We've been kind of joking around every time take a step, we get new information. We got 3 more. So it's been fun to go something of a historic preservation, goose chase. >> feel like every time we get somewhere, it's likely keep getting new side quest to delve into it is it's a very mess. Did this sort of situation where things are sort it's a term for the mission, nesting dolls. Let's just keep opening >> Oh, yes, that's Thank >> a great job. Very, very lucky to have the minutes it's not improvement to the program's actually meant to address a lot of issues of inefficiency where we're having repeat conversations with people. We want to be giving everyone the same information, but also not just platitudes, meaningful information or they feel like they get it. They understand that they know what tools they have, what they can use and then Alexander, the great idea that in the guide we will reference existing properties within the program and what they did and how they improved things. it's been a lot of work in really done a great job so far. And I think the next meeting, hopefully we'll have some draft. Should you times? >> When you all go back to school. Alright I just actually don't migrate back to my last final Fatah says taking a summer today. And then I started again and and roughly 3 weeks. But my programs online, so going anywhere You're saying they are staying on but the city yes. Did you want to tell them what that class was? was taking a grant writing class, a grant proposal write us. So for my final, I road and application, that is the radical because the has passed out plan. But it was publication for an oral history project on Sarasota. framing of it was just we have one car fairly history, our commercial tours in history. But the history of the development of Sarasota as we enter a new phase. the last phase of the like. >> I graduated recently and to be rather honest, I'm fully willing to stick it as long as they'll have I'm I'm having a great time Hahaha. It's genuinely such fascinating work to get my I was born and raised in Sarasota. My dad, a vote has been volunteering at the national Park, says he was going to college and they met for his start reenactment. it's been this kind of crazy thing where there's like a lot of overlap, for example, the property we just my mother didn't know the wife of the person who did and of my father recently brought something that ended up showing up the Horn or Keys Monument, which was part of the from think that we're currently under consideration, which is its own sort of Nest beast. But it's sort of fasting to see these things and grown up around and really getting to dig into it very detail oriented work or sort of going to new wants. This is just kind exhilarating to be honest for remembering too much. But in this and it's truly been that such an exciting thing to dig into. >> Thank you guys for action. it will >> Sherry realized forgot to go over item B. What's coming up for your next agenda? you will be formally request, forced certificate of appropriateness for 45. 21 Bayshore which was the real house that you looked at previously and they've come up with a plan for help to save it and give it new life. So I think that will be an exciting one for you to see. And then there are 2 more items that I think will be coming to you. But I do want to put too much pressure on them, but it could be a very full agenda on that day. And let you know as soon as of course. Okay for me, that's it. In that case are meeting is adjourned. Thank Thank you.