Planning Commission Regular Meeting

COUNCIL: GOOD EVENING. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER COUNCIL: THE MAY 21ST 2025 CITY OF LINCOLN. REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. COUNCIL: ITEM 2. SECRETARY. COUNCIL: PLEASE HAVE A ROLL CALL. COUNCIL: COMMISSIONER HERZOG HERE, COMMISSIONER HUTCHINSON, HERE COMMISSIONER JACKSON, HERE COMMISSIONER JERRY JOHNSON, HERE COMMISSIONER MANNING HERE. COUNCIL: VICE CHAIR JOHNSON HERE, AND CHAIRMAN GILBERT PRESENT. COUNCIL: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL: ITEM NUMBER 3 IS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AND I'VE ASKED OUR VICE CHAIRMAN, ERIC JOHNSON TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE THIS EVENING COUNCIL: THE PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO REPLY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA COUNCIL: AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS COUNCIL: ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. COUNCIL: ITEM NUMBER 4 IS AGENDA MODIFICATIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY AGENDA MODIFICATIONS THIS EVENING? STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY, YOUR HONOR, THANK YOU. COUNCIL: ITEM 5 IS PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY NON AGENDA ITEM WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER. JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION. COUNCIL: CITIZENS MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHEN THE ITEM IS CONSIDERED. COUNCIL: CITIZENS, CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK, MAY REQUEST TO SPEAK BY RAISING YOUR HAND WHEN REQUESTED TO DO SO. COUNCIL: THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. COUNCIL: PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO 3 MIN, SECRETARY. DO WE HAVE ANY HANDS RAISED, OR ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK. COUNCIL: CHAIRMAN GILBERT. I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY CARDS. THERE WERE NO HANDS RAISED ONLINE, AND I DO NOT SEE ANY HANDS RAISED HERE IN THE ROOM. COUNCIL: VICE CHAIR. COUNCIL: CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? COUNCIL: SURE? EXCELLENT. OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOME GOOD NEWS. I KNOW SOME IN THE COMMUNITY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THIS AS WELL. A RECENTLY COMPLETED PROJECT BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT I WAS NOTIFIED OF THIS MONDAY MORNING, AS SOME KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN HELPING THE CITY GET A FITNESS COURT. COUNCIL: YOU KNOW, HERE IN THE CITY, AND SO DID SOME WORK. BEEN WORKING LAST YEAR AND A HALF ON IT, BUT JUST HAPPY TO SAY THAT IT COMPLETED. IT'S ALL COMPLETED AS OF MONDAY MORNING AT FOSCOTT PARK. COUNCIL: YEAH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SITE. SO I ENCOURAGE THE THE COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC TO GO OUT AND CHECK IT OUT. YOU KNOW IT'S AN EFFORT TO HELP GIVE SOME MORE COUNCIL: OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROMOTING PUBLIC HEALTH COMMUNITY HEALTH OUT THERE. COUNCIL: IT'S A FREE APP BASED PROGRAM WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN DO DIFFERENT EXERCISE PROGRAMS USING IT. AND COMMUNITY GROUPS CAN GO USE IT. SO JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO START USING IT. COUNCIL: I'M ALSO WANT TO, YOU KNOW. GIVE A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR PARKS COMMITTEE OR PARKS DEPARTMENT. DOUG BROWN, DID A LOT OF WORK WITH IT, AND SAME WITH SCOTT, BOYNTON. COUNCIL: AND ALSO THE SUPPORT OF HOLLY, ANDREA, ANDRETTA AND SHAWN SCULLY. SO IT'S IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT COME TO COMPLETION. AND JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE A HEADS UP AS WELL. IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 WEEKS. WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE A LAUNCH EVENT FOR THE COMMUNITY WITH THAT. SO WE'LL DO A PRESS RELEASE AND GET THE INFORMATION OUT. SO WANT TO INVITE THE COMMUNITY. COME OUT AND CELEBRATE THAT WITH ALL OF US. BUT I'LL BE WORKING WITH SEAN COUNCIL: AND SOME OF THE CITY STAFF TO PUT THAT TOGETHER. COUNCIL: THANK YOU. COUNCIL: HEY? THANK YOU. COUNCIL: ITEM, 6 INFORMATION ITEMS FROM STAFF STEPHANIE. HAVE ANY INFORMATION ITEMS. COUNCIL: COMMISSION THIS EVENING ON TONIGHT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. COUNCIL: ITEM 7. DISCLOSURE OF EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. DO ANY OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE? WE'LL START DOWN THIS END. COUNCIL: I'M HERE. NOPE, NONE. COUNCIL: I DO. I MET WITH THE FOLKS FROM RICHLAND. THEY ASKED TO MEET WITH ME JUST TO GIVE ME A UPDATE, BECAUSE I'M NEW TO THE COMMITTEE THIS YEAR ON WHERE THINGS ARE AT WITH THEIR PROJECT OUT AT VILLAGE. COUNCIL: THE BIG PROJECT VILLAGE? 5. YEAH. YEAH. COUNCIL: WELL, I TOOK A LITTLE BREAK. SECOND SECOND ENLISTMENT. YEAH. THEY BROUGHT ME BACK UP TO SPEED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TONY. COUNCIL: I HAVE NONE TO REPORT EITHER. COUNCIL: ITEM 8 IS A CONSENT. CALENDAR. COUNCIL: THERE IS ONE ITEM REVIEW AND APPROVE THE MARCH 19, TH 2025 MEETING MINUTES. COUNCIL: THE DRAFT MINUTES ARE, WE'RE IN OUR PACKET ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS FROM A COMMISSIONER COUNCIL: I MOVE APPROVAL, AS WRITTEN, I SECOND HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. COUNCIL: YOU'D LIKE A ROLL CALL. COUNCIL: VOICE CALL IS FINE, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE, AYE, OPPOSED ABSTENTIONS, MOTION. COUNCIL: THANK YOU BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES 6 0 1. COUNCIL: WELL, BRIDGES. WHICH IS THE MEAT OF THE EVENING TONIGHT. COUNCIL: ITEM, 9. PUBLIC HEARING 12 BRIDGES RETAIL CENTER. COUNCIL: A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DEVELOPMENT, PERMIT MASTER PLAN, CONDITIONAL USE, PERMIT FINDINGS OF CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN COUNCIL: FOR VACATION OF LANDSCAPE EASEMENT AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP, APPLICATION STAFF FLOOR IS YOURS. COUNCIL: AWESOME. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. EFREN SANCHEZ, SENIOR PLANNER WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. COUNCIL: THE PROJECT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DEVELOPMENT, PERMIT MASTER PLAN, CONDITIONAL USE, PERMIT FINDINGS OF CONSISTENCY TO VACATE A LANDSCAPE EASEMENT AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP APPLICATION KNOWN AS THE 12 BRIDGES RETAIL CENTER. COUNCIL: THE PROJECT IS A PROPOSED 29.7 ACRE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 12 BRIDGES, DRIVE AND COLONY DRIVE. COUNCIL: THE PROJECT INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 245,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE, DISTRIBUTED ACROSS 14 BUILDINGS, INCLUDING MAJOR AND JUNIOR ANCHORS. COUNCIL: MULTI-TENANT PADS, AND 4 DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES. COUNCIL: THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 12 BRIDGES DRIVE AND COLONY DRIVE WITHIN THE 12 BRIDGES. SPECIFIC PLAN AND GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AREA. COUNCIL: THE PROJECT SITE HAS A GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE, DESIGNATION OF EMPLOYMENT CENTER, EC. WITH MATCHING ZONING OF EC. ONE. COUNCIL: THE PROJECT IS SURROUNDED BY GILWIND. DRIVE TO THE NORTH. OPEN SPACE AND STATE ROUTE 65 TO THE WEST COUNCIL: COLONY, DRIVE TO THE EAST, AND 12 BRIDGES DRIVE TO THE SOUTH. COUNCIL: NEARBY LAND USES INCLUDE THE KAISER PERMANENTE MEDICAL FACILITY, AND JOHN ADAMS ACADEMY TO THE NORTH COUNCIL: TERRACOTTA VILLAGE TO THE EAST PUBLIC LIBRARY AND 12 BRIDGES HIGH SCHOOL TO THE SOUTH, AND A 49 ACRE OPEN SPACE CONSERVATION LAND ADJACENT TO STATE ROUTE 65 TO THE WEST. COUNCIL: THE CHARLES BRIDGES RETAIL CENTER MASTER PLAN CONTEMPLATES 14 BUILDINGS OF VARIOUS SIZES. COUNCIL: THESE PROPOSED BUILDINGS CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS MAJOR RETAIL, WHICH IS LARGER THAN 25,000 SQUARE FEET. COUNCIL: JUNIOR RETAIL BETWEEN 15 TO 25,000 SQUARE FEET. COUNCIL: MULTI-TENANT PADS, 4,000 TO 12,000 SQUARE FEET, AND SINGLE TENANT PADS, WHICH ARE UNDER 5,000 SQUARE FEET. COUNCIL: PATHS. P. 1, P. 3, P. 5, AND P. 7, ARE DESIGNED WITH DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES. COUNCIL: THEREFORE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED AND IS BEING PROCESSED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION COUNCIL: THE PROJECT'S MASTER PLAN SETS UP THE FRAMEWORK TO EXPEDITE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY BY ADOPTING THE SITE, PLANNING, INFRASTRUCTURE, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, LANDSCAPING, SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING STANDARDS AT A MASTER PLAN LEVEL. COUNCIL: THE FUTURE BUILDINGS PERMITS WILL BE EVALUATED BY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ARCHITECTURE AND OVERALL SITE IMPROVEMENTS, DESIGNS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN, AND THUS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADAPTED 12 BRIDGES. SPECIFIC PLAN AND GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. COUNCIL: THE PROJECT PROPOSES TO INCLUDE RECIPROCAL INGRESS, EGRESS, PARKING, AND UTILITY EASEMENTS ACROSS THE VARIOUS PARCELS PROPOSED WITHIN THIS MASTER PLAN. COUNCIL: THE PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP APPLICATION TO DIVIDE THE APPLICANTS TO EXISTING PARCELS, AND SUBDIVIDE THEM INTO 14 COMMERCIAL PARCELS. COUNCIL: COMPLEMENTING THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF BUILDINGS WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN. COUNCIL: RANGING IN SIZE FROM APPROXIMATELY ONE TO 5 ACRES, AS PROPOSED. THE TENANT PARCEL MAP COMPLIES WITH THE LINCOLN MUNICIPAL CODE. SECTION 17.20 PARCEL MAPS AND THE 12 BRIDGES GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. COUNCIL: THE PROPOSED PARCELS ANTICIPATE INCLUSION OF EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS. WITH ACCESS OFF OF 12 BRIDGES, DRIVE COLONY, DRIVE, AND GILWIND DRIVE COUNCIL: AND CONNECTION TO EXISTING PUBLIC UTILITIES COUNCIL: AS PART OF THE TENANT PARCEL MAP. THE PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES THE ABANDONMENT OF EXISTING EASEMENTS THAT WERE RECORDED ALONG COLONY DRIVE AND GILWYN DRIVE. COUNCIL: THESE EASEMENTS, WHICH INCLUDE LANDSCAPE EASEMENTS, ARE TO BE VACATED IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE CONFLICTS IN THE FUTURE, AS THOSE LANDSCAPE FRONTAGES WILL BE PRIVATELY MAINTAINED. COUNCIL: FORMAL REMOVAL OF THESE EASEMENTS SHALL TAKE PLACE WITH THE FINAL PARCEL MAP RECORDATION. COUNCIL: THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE STRATEGICALLY STRATEGICALLY PLACED TO BE ACCESSIBLE AND VISUALLY ENGAGING TO FUTURE SHOPPERS COUNCIL: WHO WILL BE USING THE SHARED PARKING LOT. COUNCIL: AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE. COUNCIL: THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ACCESS POINTS, DRIVEWAYS, DRIVEWAYS, B, COUNCIL: CD, AND E ARE EXISTING. COUNCIL: AND DRIVEWAY A IS A NEW PROPOSED ACCESS POINT COUNCIL: THE PROJECT SITE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT MOVEMENTS. AS ILLUSTRATED ON THIS SLIDE COUNCIL: DRIVEWAY B IS AN EXISTING ACCESS POINT THAT ALLOWS RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT MOVEMENT. COUNCIL: A KEY PURPOSE OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY PREPARED BY FAIR AND PIERS INVOLVED, HOW TO BEST DESIGN AND OPERATE THIS DRIVEWAY TO ALSO ALLOW A LEFT TURN INGRESS COUNCIL: WITH A PARTIAL SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, BOTTOM COUNCIL: IMPLEMENTING THE PARTIAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL WILL ACCOMMODATE 12 BRIDGES. DRIVE EASTBOUND LEFT TURN INTO THE PROJECT. COUNCIL: AN EXAMPLE OF THIS PROPOSED PARTIAL SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION CAN BE OBSERVED AT THE SAFEWAY SHOPPING CENTER IN ROCKLAND, OFF OF PARK DRIVE AND SUNSET BOULEVARD. COUNCIL: WHICH IS DEPICTED HERE. COUNCIL: THE CIRCULATION HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUIRED TURNING RADIUS FOR VARIOUS DELIVERY TRUCKS AND CUSTOMER VEHICLES. COUNCIL: THE PROJECT INCLUDES 241,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THIS IS NOT INCLUDING THE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT COUNCIL: SQUARE FEET FROM THE P. 4 LOT COUNCIL: WHICH HAS AN EXISTING BP. ARCO GAS STATION. COUNCIL: THE PROJECT WILL HAVE RECIPROCAL PARKING AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE PARCELS. COUNCIL: THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE SITE IS 1,074 PARKING STALLS. HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED PROJECT YIELDS A SURPLUS OF 119 PARKING STALLS BEYOND THE CITY'S CITY'S REQUIREMENT. COUNCIL: THE DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES ON LOTS. P. 1, P. 3, P. 5, AND P. 7. ARE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE MINIMUM STACKING REQUIREMENTS OF 10 VEHICLE SPACES COUNCIL: AS DISCUSSED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE DIRECTORY HAS THE APPROPRIATE HAS BEEN APPROPRIATELY DESIGNED, ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S DESIGN AND IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS, TO ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY IS NOT IMPACTED. COUNCIL: THE TRAFFIC OPERATION REPORT PREPARED BY THE PROPOSED PROJECT INDICATES THAT THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES AT EACH DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENT STORAGE OF 10 VEHICLES OR 250 FEET. COUNCIL: MINIMUM! COUNCIL: ACCORDING TO THE TRAFFIC REPORT, SOME RESTAURANTS HAVE HIGH DRIVE THROUGH DEMAND THAN OTHERS, THEREFORE IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT HIGH VOLUME BRANDS SUCH AS IN-N-OUT BURGER RAISING, CANE'S, OR CHICK-FIL-A COUNCIL: ARE PROPOSED, ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THE SPECIFIC SITES. THEN A SUPPLEMENTAL ANALYSIS OF DRIVE-THROUGH LINK QUEUING WILL NEED TO BE PERFORMED. COUNCIL: THIS IS RECOMMENDED. THIS RECOMMENDATION IS OUTLINED IN CONDITION OF APPROVAL. NUMBER 29, COUNCIL: THE EXISTING 12 BRIDGES, GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DESIGN, GUIDELINES FOR THE EC. ONE ZONE DISTRICT WERE CREATED AND ADOPTED BACK IN 1998, AND ARE LIMITED IN SCOPE. THE 12 BRIDGES RETAIL CENTER MASTER PLAN PROPOSES TO SUPPLEMENT AND ENHANCE AND REPLACE THESE DATED GUIDELINES WITH DESIGN, ARCHITECTURE, LANDSCAPING, SIGNAGE, AND LIGHTING STANDARDS THAT REFLECT MODERN MATERIALS AND CURRENT PRACTICES FOR THIS PROJECT SITE. COUNCIL: THE RETAIL CENTER WILL FEATURE, A COHESIVE, MARKETABLE DESIGN, USING MODERN MATERIALS, ACCENT COLORS, AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS INSPIRED BY A CONTEMPORARY RUSTIC, AGRICULTURAL STYLE. COUNCIL: BUILDING HEIGHTS WILL VARY FROM 58 FEET FOR MAJOR RETAIL BUILDINGS, 35 FEET FOR JUNIOR RETAIL BUILDINGS, 37 FEET FOR MULTI-TENANT PATHS COUNCIL: AND 33 FEET FOR SINGLE TENANT PADS. COUNCIL: DURABLE HIGH QUALITY FINISHES, INCLUDING SOME CONCRETE ROOF TILES, REFERENCING, DOWNTOWN. LINCOLN'S GLIDING MCBEAN WILL ENHANCE THE VISUAL APPEAL AND LONGEVITY OF THE BUILDINGS. COUNCIL: THE MASTER PLAN THE MASTER SIGN PROGRAM COUNCIL: THE MASTER SIGN PROGRAM OUTLINES. THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT. COUNCIL: INCLUDING A PYLON SIGN MONUMENT SIGNS, WALL SIGNS AND STANDARDS FOR WINDOW GRAPHICS COUNCIL: CONSISTENT WITH THE 12 BRIDGES, GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES SET FORTH IN LINCOLN MUNICIPAL CODE TITLE, 16 SIGNS. COUNCIL: THE SIGN PROGRAM HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO COMPLEMENT AND ALIGN WITH THE OVERALL ARCHITECTURAL AND AESTHETIC THEME OF THE DEVELOPMENT. COUNCIL: ON AUGUST 28, TH 2024, THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD GENERALLY FAVORED THE OVERALL DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE OF THE PROJECT. COUNCIL: THE GRP ALSO RECOMMENDED MODIFYING THE PROPOSED PYLON SIGN BY RELOCATING THE CITY OF LINCOLN IDENTIFICATION FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP OF THE SIGN. COUNCIL: THIS PROPOSED MODIFICATION RESULTED IN AN INCREASE IN THE OVERALL SIGN HEIGHT FROM 75 FEET TO 81 FEET. COUNCIL: THE 12 BRIDGES. GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES NOT REGULATE PYLON SIGNS, HEIGHT AND TITLE. 16 SIGNS ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN COUNCIL: TO SET UP THEIR OWN SEPARATE REGULATIONS FOR SCIENCE WITHIN THEIR WITHIN THEIR PLAN AREA COUNCIL: FOR ADDITIONAL CONTEXT. THE LINCOLN CROSSING TARGET SIGN IS 65 FEET TALL. CITY HALL IS 75 FEET TALL. ROCKLANDS, WHITNEY RANCH, RETAIL CENTER WILL HAVE A 70 FOOT TALL PYLON SIGN AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE NEXT SOUTHERN EXIT ON STATE ROUTE 65. COUNCIL: THE DELTA OF 6 FEET, GOING FROM 75 TO 81 FEET IS LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT, CONSIDERING THE ADDED BENEFIT OF HAVING THE CITY OF LINCOLN AT THE TOP OF THE SIGN COUNCIL: PLUS THE SIGN, WILL BE 23 FEET TALLER THAN THE PROPOSED MAJOR RETAIL BUILDING. COUNCIL: OTHER SIGNS INCLUDE A CORNER, 4 FOOT 9 MONUMENT SIGN AND 1420 FOOT MONUMENT SIGNS TO BE LOCATED AT 4 OUT OF THE 5 EAGLE POINTS COUNCIL: OUR ACCESS POINTS SO, AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED 75 FOOT SIGN. COUNCIL: AND THEN, AFTER WE WENT TO TRP. THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION TO PUT THE CITY OF LINCOLN AT THE TOP VERSUS HAVING IT AT THE BOTTOM. COUNCIL: AND THE SIGNS THE PYLON SIGN WILL BE HERE. COUNCIL: AND THEN SUBSEQUENT MONUMENT SIGNS WILL BE AT DRIVEWAY A, B, COUNCIL: THE C, AND THEN E WILL BE HERE, AND THEN THE CORNER ONE, THE 5 4 FOOT 9 WILL BE AT THE RIGHT CORNER. COUNCIL: YEAH. COUNCIL: THE PROJECT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND VERIFIED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE APPLICABLE POLICIES AND STANDARDS OF THE CITY OF LINCOLN. GENERAL GENERAL PLAN. COUNCIL: THE TALL BRIDGES SPECIFIC PLAN AND GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. COUNCIL: LINCOLN MUNICIPAL CODE, TITLE, 17 SUBDIVISIONS AND TITLE. 18 ZONING COUNCIL: INDIVIDUAL FINDINGS ARE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ATTACHED RESOLUTIONS. COUNCIL: THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM CEQA UNDER SECTION 1, 5, 1, 6, 2 COUNCIL: SUBSEQUENT EIR'S NEGATIVE DECLARATIONS BECAUSE THE SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY ANALYZED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUSLY CERTIFIED SUBSEQUENT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, THE REVISED SOIL BRIDGES SPECIFIC PLAN EIR. COUNCIL: THAT MEET SPECIFIC CRITERIA QUALIFYING COUNCIL: FOR AN EXEMPTION. THE PROPOSED PROJECT SATISFIES THE REQUIRED CRITERIA. THEREFORE NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS IS REQUIRED. COUNCIL: THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO THE APPLICABLE MITIGATION MEASURES AND COUNCIL: OF THE ADOPTED MITIGATION, MONITORING AND REPORTING PAN FOR THAT SUBSEQUENT EIR COUNCIL: SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING. CONSIDER THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE STAFF, REPORT AND TESTIMONY OF THE PUBLIC, AND TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS OUTLINED ON THE SCREEN. COUNCIL: THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT EITHER MYSELF OR THE APPLICANT TEAM CAN ANSWER. WE HAVE DAVID BERRY WITH YOU, BORA. COUNCIL: BUT DAD JOHNSON WITH PAPA'S ARIZONA, LP. COUNCIL: AND JOHN GARD WITH FREEDOM PEERS IN THE AUDIENCE. COUNCIL: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. COUNCIL: I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS I'LL START DOWN THIS END IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS, BUT COUNCIL: START DOWN THE END. OKAY, THANK YOU. COUNCIL: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. VERY WELL DONE. JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS, AND MAYBE LATER MORE. BUT THE SIGN, DO WE HAVE A SIGN THAT HIGH COUNCIL: OR A BUILDING THAT HIGH IN LINCOLN THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW? COUNCIL: NO, WE DON'T. I MEAN THE ONLY COMPARABLE WOULD BE CITY HALL. THIS IS 75 FEET TALL. COUNCIL: AND SO YOU KNOW, BUT BY GOING THAT ADDITIONAL 6 FEET WOULD ALLOW FOR CITY OF LINCOLN AT THE VERY TOP OF THE SIGN. COUNCIL: OKAY, BUT I JUST ENTER SIGN THAT HAS IN AND OUT. COUNCIL: EVERYBODY ON STAFF KNOW THE HYPE OF THAT ONE. COUNCIL: THE ONE THAT'S NEAR 65. YEAH. THE LINCOLN CROSSING SIGN THAT ONE IS WELL, NOT LINCOLN CROSSING FOR COUNCIL: OR TARGET THE TARGET, THE HOME DEPOT. ONE. YEAH, THAT ONE IS 65 FEET TALL. THAT'S 65. OKAY, THAT WAS THE TALLEST AT THE TIME WE APPROVED IT. AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE ANY SINCE THEN, SO THAT THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE HAVE COUNCIL: ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW. ALSO, WHAT? WHAT IS THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENT FOR A HEIGHT. COUNCIL: WE HAVE AN AIRPORT IN THE AREA. I JUST DO. ARE WE AWARE OF ANY LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS FOR A CERTAIN HEIGHT OF A BUILDING OR A SIGN, PERHAPS. COUNCIL: IS THERE ANY REGULATION WITH THAT? COUNCIL: YEAH, THERE IS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE AIRPORT LAND. USE COMPATIBILITY PLAN, AND THIS ONE, IT'S NOT IN A ZONE THAT'S HAZARDOUS TO THE AIRPORT, BECAUSE IT'S SOUTH FROM LINCOLN. IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP. COUNCIL: SONY AND COUNCIL: GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING MAP, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUTSIDE OF THOSE BOUNDARIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN A COUPLE OF MORE. I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF EGRES EGRESS AND INGRESS OPPORTUNITIES. ARE THERE DESIGNATED EVAS FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT THAT ARE IDENTIFIED? COUNCIL: ON THE MAP THERE, LIKE LIKE UVA'S LIKE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. COUNCIL: I MEAN, THE PROJECT WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE. LIKE COUNCIL: AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT. THEY SUBMITTED A A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE TURNING RADIUS OF THE FIRE TRUCKS. AND SO ALL OF THESE WERE REVIEWED BY FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THEY HAVE THE ENOUGH TURNING RADIUS CAPACITY COUNCIL: WITH THE WHAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY IS. COUNCIL: IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PLENTY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED. AND THEN, YEAH, COUNCIL: ANOTHER QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE A LADDER IN LINCOLN THAT CAN REACH THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. COUNCIL: DO WE HAVE A TRUCK WITH A LADDER? COUNCIL: NO, WE. WE HAD A LADDER LADDER TRUCK, AND MANY YEARS AGO. COUNCIL: WE SOLD IT AND AND INVESTED IN 2 UTILITY TRUCKS. COUNCIL: BUT THE WAY THEY FIGHT FIRES TODAY, AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY PUT INTO BILL REQUIRE THAT THEY PUT INTO THE BUILDINGS. COUNCIL: RECOMMENDED THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T NEED THAT. COUNCIL: I KNOW BUILDINGS THAT ARE 14 STORIES TALL, AND THEY DON'T HAVE COUNCIL: BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN LINCOLN SO COMMERCIAL, HERZOG, WE DO NOT HAVE A FIRE TRUCK WITH A LADDER THAT COULD EVEN REACH THE 4TH FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, BUT THE MODERN CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY DIFFERENT NOW WITH SPRINKLERS AND AND ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF PROTECTIVE BUILDING EQUIPMENT THAT LADDER TRUCKS ARE FAR LESS NECESSARY IN 3 OR 4 STORY BUILDING SITUATIONS THAN THEY ARE. IF YOU HAVE HIGH RISES. YEAH, JUST CHECKING IN ON THAT. COUNCIL: I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SOME NEEDS AROUND THAT. SO JUST WANT TO CHECK IN. AND THEN JUST ANOTHER QUESTION HERE. COUNCIL: WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPOND? AND I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT, TOO. BUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PARKING LOT? IS IS THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER, OR WILL IT BE THE ACTUAL TENANTS THAT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. COUNCIL: I CAN DEFER TO THAT. BUT OKAY, I CAN WAIT TO ASK THEM. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S IT. FOR NOW. COUNCIL: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I DO HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE I WANT COMMISSIONER HERZOG WAS TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT INGRESS AND EGRESS, AND I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THAT CHART THAT YOU HAD UP THE MAP, PLEASE. COUNCIL: THE ONE THING THAT I'M JUST CONCERNED OR ABOUT IS, OF COURSE, TRAFFIC. COUNCIL: BUT IS THERE ANY REASON WHY. COUNCIL: ESPECIALLY LIKE IN. I BELIEVE IT IS WHERE C IS RIGHT NOW, THAT INGRESS AND EGRESS INTO COUNCIL: THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE YOU HAVE EXACTLY WHERE YOU HAVE THE THE DEVELOPED COUNCIL: SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS FROM IT RIGHT NOW, WHERE LEATHER BEES AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS OVER THERE. COUNCIL: IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE'RE NOT USING MAYBE ROUNDABOUTS IN THAT AREA. COUNCIL: I WOULD HAVE TO DEFAULT TO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS FOR THAT FOR THAT QUESTION. COUNCIL: THERE'S THANK YOU. THIS IS A SP MAN. I'M A SENIOR ENGINEER AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. WE DID REVIEW COUNCIL: OPTION OF PUTTING IN A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT INSPECTION, BUT I THINK COUNCIL: BUT REMEMBER, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH RIGHT AWAY. COUNCIL: WE HAD TO ACCOMMODATE ONE. BUT IT WAS PART OF THE FACTORY. COUNCIL: THE OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS THAT FAIR AND PETER CONDUCTED WE. COUNCIL: THE CITY STAFF. WE DID REVIEW THE TRAFFIC OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS. COUNCIL: AND ALSO WE ACTUALLY HAD A PEER REVIEWER ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE SCOPE AND THEN COUNCIL: CAPACITY OF THIS REVIEW. SO YEAH, WE DID CONSIDER THAT. BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH COUNCIL: RIGHT AWAY AT INTERSECTION OF COLONY. COUNCIL: DO ONE MORE, I MEAN, JOHN, COME IN AND SPEAK. BUT COUNCIL: YEAH, AND IT'S THE QUESTION IS MOSTLY AROUND. WE KNOW THIS IS A VERY, VERY BUSY AREA. IT'S GOING TO BECOME EVEN MORE BUSY, AND ROUNDABOUTS SEEM TO BE THE BEST WAY TO ACTUALLY HELP WITH TRAFFIC. COUNCIL: BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CONTINUAL MOTION, A CONTINUAL FLOW INSTEAD OF STOP AND GO, OR IF THERE IS NO LIGHT, OR IT'S NOT A CONTROLLED INTERSECTION. IT MAKES IT EVEN HARDER TO TURN LEFT. COUNCIL: SO THAT THAT'S THAT WAS WHY, YOU KNOW, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. I MEAN, WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT EASIER. COUNCIL: SO WE DID. WE DID REVIEW THAT. JOHN. COUNCIL: YEAH, SURE. COUNCIL: GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, JOHN GARD, PRINCIPAL WITH FAIR AND PIERS AND PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER. YOUR QUESTION IS A GOOD ONE, AND YOU KNOW SP IS RIGHT. THAT IS, AMONGST THE VARIOUS TYPES OF TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, WE CONSIDERED AT THAT INTERSECTION. BUT WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN 3 AND 4 O'CLOCK? IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, YOU SEE THE JOHN ADAMS ACADEMY TRAFFIC, IT'S VERY, VERY BUSY, AND IT QUEUES BACK, AND IT QUEUES BACK COUNCIL: FROM 12 BRIDGES AND COLONNADE. WELL, THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION ALL THE WAY TO GALEWIND. COUNCIL: AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WANTS TO DO? COUNCIL: CALTRANS IS VERY MUCH OPEN TO ROUNDABOUTS IN THE RIGHT LOCATION UNDER THE RIGHT SITUATION, AND WHEN TRAFFIC QUEUES INTO A ROUNDABOUT SPILLS BACK INTO IT. IT KIND OF GRINDS UP. IT GRINDS TO A HALT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH IT BECAUSE THERE'S THAT TRAFFIC THERE. SO BASICALLY DURING THAT COUNCIL: IF A ROUNDABOUT WAS THERE OPERATIONALLY, UNLESS WE COULD GET THE JOHN ADAMS AND ACADEMY TRAFFIC COMPLETELY SOLVED, IT WOULD BECOME ACTUALLY MORE PROBLEMATIC AT THAT INTERSECTION, NOT JUST WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S A TIME AND PLACE FOR THEM, AND THEY'RE VERY POPULAR, AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE BENEFITS. IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT SOLUTION AT THIS LOCATION. OKAY, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANKS. COUNCIL: CHAIRMAN, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I WANT TO COME BACK TO THE FIRE TRUCK REAL QUICK, COMMISSIONER NATHAN. WE DO. IF I REMEMBER, WE DO HAVE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE ROSELLE FIRE. COUNCIL: WHERE WE ACTUALLY BORROW TOLAN MENTIONED. THEY BORROW THE FIRED LIGHTER TRUCK THAT ROSEVILLE HAS AT THE CASINO. COUNCIL: AWESOME COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT BETWEEN AUCKLAND AND ROSEVILLE COUNCIL: WHEN NECESSARY. WE ALL RESPOND FOR EACH OTHER, AND ROSEVILLE HAS A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY, EXCEPT THAT ONE TIME WHEN WE HAVE A COUNCIL: AN EMERGENCY, AND IT'S CAL FIRE THAT HAS A TRUCK OUT AT THE CASINO, AND WE HAVE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS WITH ALL OF THEM. YES. COUNCIL: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN MYSELF, AFRIN, FOR ALL OF THE DETAIL THAT YOU PROVIDED TO US, AND ESPECIALLY THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, I APPRECIATED THE SYNOPSIS THAT YOU, PROVIDED I, TOO, AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I WAS HAVING WAS WITH THE PARTIAL COUNCIL: LIGHT. COUNCIL: IF YOU WILL. I'M HAVING TROUBLE VISUALIZING HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK. COUNCIL: AND PERHAPS IT CAN BE EXPANDED ON A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME WHO'S VISUALLY IMPAIRED AND SEEING IT, HOW IT, HOW IT WORKS. COUNCIL: HOW IT'S GOING TO TO HELP ALLEVIATE. COUNCIL: THIS IS THE PARTIAL COURSE, OF COURSE. COUNCIL: AGAIN, JOHN GARD, AND THAT'S A TERRIFIC QUESTION. COUNCIL: AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, WE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FOR PROVIDING ACCESS AT DRIVEWAY B DRIVEWAY BEING B BEING THE UNSIGNALIZED OR THE EXCUSE ME, THE WELL, THE THE LEFT TURN INGRESS. WE'RE NOT ALLOWING OUTBOUND LEFT TURNS ONTO TOLL BRIDGES DRIVE, BUT AS A MOTORIST, CAN YOU PUT THIS? YEAH. COUNCIL: OKAY, PERFECT. THAT'S THE BUTTON. OKAY, THANK YOU. COUNCIL: YEAH. SO THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF OF INTEREST HERE AND THE PARTIAL SIGNAL. WHAT? WHAT THAT WILL BE IS. IF YOU'RE TRAVELING EASTBOUND ON 12 BRIDGES, DRIVE. COUNCIL: THE LIGHT WILL CONTINUOUSLY ALWAYS BE GREEN FOR YOU. COUNCIL: IT WILL NEVER BE READ, AND IF YOU'RE TRAVELING WESTBOUND ON 12 BRIDGES APPROACHING THIS PARTIAL SIGNAL COUNCIL: MOST OF THE TIME, 2 THIRDS, 3 QUARTERS OF THE TIME IT'LL BE GREEN FOR YOU. COUNCIL: IT WILL ONLY BE READ WHEN THIS LEFT TURN MOVEMENT IS BEING MADE. COUNCIL: SO IT'S SIMILAR. AS EFRON MENTIONED. IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT'S AT THE PARK DRIVE SAFEWAY IN ROCKLAND. THERE'S 1 IN FOLSOM. THERE'S 1 IN ROSEVILLE ON KIRBY WAY, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY EFFECTIVE, AND THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH IN THE WAY OF DELAY OR CORRIDOR CONGESTION. COUNCIL: THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT THAT AREA CAN BE A PARKING LOT AT CERTAIN TIMES, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND WITH JOHN COUNCIL: ADAMS ACADEMY. COUNCIL: COULD YOU ELABORATE AT ALL AS TO ANY PROSPECTIVE TENANTS? COUNCIL: DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA ON THAT? COUNCIL: NO, I KNOW HE'S NOT. BUT COUNCIL: GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THAD JOHNSON, OF PAPS INVESTMENTS. WE'RE THE PROJECT DEVELOPER, BUILDER, AND OWNER AT THIS TIME. WE CAN'T ANNOUNCE ANY TENANTS UNTIL THE PROJECTS APPROVED AND LEASES ARE FINAL. I BELIEVE ONE JUST ANNOUNCED THEMSELVES A FITNESS FACILITY ABOUT THEIR INTENT TO LOCATE AT THE SITE. AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THEM. WE'VE GOT A SIMILAR ONE IN ELK GROVE, AND THEY'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND THEN VERY WELL RECEIVED BY THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THEM DOING THE SAME HERE. COUNCIL: THANK YOU. CAN I, PIGGYBACK ON THAT? SINCE YOU'RE HERE ON THE SAME THING, JUST PIGGYBACK ON THAT, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE SOME OTHER ONES. COUNCIL: I RESPECT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T TELL US. OKAY, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF LIKE, WHAT TYPE COUNCIL: OF COUNCIL: RETAIL? SPECIFICALLY IN THE 2 LARGE ONES. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO VISUALIZE HOW BIG THAT IS AND UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT LIKE COUNCIL: SUPER SIZE, WALMART, IS IT A HOME DEPOT. IS IT A MORE LIKE A ROSS ON SCALE? WISE? IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A ROSS, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THEM COULD SERVE AS A GROCERY STORE ANCHOR WHICH WE COUNCIL: THEN WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO TRY AND BRING TO THAT CENTER. WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT. BUT WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO BRING A MIX OF DESIRABLE USES HERE THAT WILL SERVE THE COMMUNITY. BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT SCALES. SO YEAH, YOU MORE, MARSHALLS, ROSS. NOT NECESSARILY A HOME GOODS STORE, BUT IT'S A FLEXIBLE SITE PLAN. WE'RE TRYING TO BRING A MIX OF TENANTS HERE JUST FOR COUNCIL: YOUR INFORMATION. PAPA'S INVESTMENTS. ALL THE CENTERS THAT WE BUILD WE CONTINUE TO OWN AND MANAGE OUR PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THIS SITE WILL BE ASHLEY STRAIGHT, WHO MANAGES A NUMBER OF FACILITIES IN PLACER COUNTY, SO WE DON'T BUILD IT AND SELL. WE'LL BE HERE FOR FOR THE DURATION AND MANAGING AND OPERATING THIS CENTER. SO IT IS IN OUR INTEREST TO BRING THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT TO THIS COMMUNITY. COUNCIL: THANK YOU. COUNCIL: BEFORE I CONTINUE ON, I'LL JUST COUNCIL: BECAUSE I'M GETTING OLD, I FORGET THINGS. BUT COUNCIL: ABOUT A YEAR. WELL, JUST ABOUT WHEN WE HIRED OUR NEW CITY MANAGER, I HAD COFFEE WITH HIM AND TALKED ABOUT 12 BRIDGES, AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE COUNCIL: VERY OLD FASHIONED SIGNALIZATION. COUNCIL: THERE'S A PROJECT WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS THAT HE DESCRIBED FOR ME COUNCIL: THAT I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE. A LOT OF ENGINEERING HAD TO BE DONE, BUT IT'S GOING TO MAINTAIN A MUCH BETTER FLOW DOWN 12 BRIDGES THAN WE HAVE TODAY. ALL THE SIGNALS WILL BECOME TIMED AND RATHER THAN JUST ON DEMAND, AND WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED SINCE I HAD THAT CONVERSATION, IT'S A LOT WORSE THAN WHEN I SPOKE TO HIM, BECAUSE WE PUT THE COUNCIL: PUT ANOTHER SCHOOL IN, ETC, ETC, SO THAT WILL HELP. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S PROBABLY IT'S NOT GOING TO COME COUNCIL: TILL AFTER THIS IS DEVELOPED IN IN MOST OF THE TENANTS WILL BE IN THERE, BUT THAT WILL HELP TO SOME DEGREE ON 12 BRIDGES. BUT COUNCIL: WE'LL GO TO YOU. NOW, TONY. COUNCIL: OKAY, I GOT QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE TRAFFIC SITUATION. COUNCIL: BECAUSE THERE, THERE, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS. IF YOU CAN BRING UP THE COUNCIL: THE IMAGE OF THE TRAFFIC MAP. YOU KNOW, AND NO DISRESPECT ANY ENGINEER. I'M NOT AN EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC, BUT I AM AN EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO A CONSUMER THAT LIVES IN THIS TOWN AND DRIVES ON THESE ROADS EVERY DAY. COUNCIL: AND WHEN COUNCIL: JOHN ADAMS CAME IN FRONT OF THIS GROUP. THE TRAFFIC EXPERTS SAID TRAFFIC WOULD BE FINE. WHEN THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS BUILT THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY. THEY SAID IT WOULD BE FINE. WHEN THE JUNIOR HIGH THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY. THEY SAID THAT WOULD BE FINE, AND THE TRUTH IS, NONE OF THEM ARE FINE. OKAY. COUNCIL: SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN. THE TRAFFIC'S GOING TO BE FINE, AND I'M LOOKING AT IT. COUNCIL: NOT AS A TRAFFIC EXPERT, BUT AS A GUY THAT DRIVES THE ROADS AND AN EXPERT AT THAT, AND I SEE 2 LEFT TURNS. COUNCIL: 2, 1 LANE LEFT TURNS COMING OFF OF 65. COUNCIL: AM I WRONG OR RIGHT? COUNCIL: ONE LANE LEFT TURN. COUNCIL: THAT WOULD BE BI THINK. COUNCIL: AND DIRECTLY INTO THE CENTER. YOU'RE YOU'RE CORRECT HEADING EAST RIGHT? COUNCIL: RIGHT? GOOD RIGHT. COUNCIL: THERE'S THERE'S 1 OFF OF 12 BRIDGES THE LEFT TURN THAT DOESN'T HAVE A STOPLIGHT. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE BEYOND THAT A LEFT TURN THAT'LL TAKE YOU. I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE ROAD RIGHT THERE BY LEATHER BEES. COUNCIL: AND THEN IS THAT AT C IS THAT A SINGLE LEFT TURN, ALSO COUNCIL: A SINGLE LEFT TURN LANE OR A DOUBLE LEFT TURN LANE, ENTERING HEAD. COUNCIL: IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLUE ARROWS, IT SHOWS LIKE THE DIRECTIONS, RIGHT? BUT THEY'RE ALL SINGLE, RIGHT. THEY'RE ALL SINGLE. COUNCIL: I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU WHEN JOHN ADAMS IS IS DROP OFF AT JOHN ADAMS. THE TRAFFIC RUNS ALL THE WAY ONTO 12 BRIDGES. COUNCIL: RIGHT? COUNCIL: I LOOK AT C. IS GOING TO GET THE MOST TRAFFIC FROM ANYBODY COMING FROM 65 THAT'S GETTING OVER TO B IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT MERGING. THEY'RE GOING TO HEAD TO THAT LIGHT IN A SINGLE LEFT TURN LANE, WHICH MEANS THAT LEFT TURN LANE BECAUSE IT'S ONLY HOLDING A SINGLE ROW OF CARS, IS GOING TO END UP INTO THE TRAFFIC OF 12 BRIDGES COUNCIL: THAT THEN IS GOING TO TURN ONTO THE ROAD, AND THOSE FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE ENTERING IN C COUNCIL: ALSO TAKING. THAT'S THE 1ST ENTRANCE FROM CARS COMING FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE GOING TO BE. THEN TURNING RIGHT, HEADING EAST, TURNING RIGHT TO HEAD NORTH. THAT'S THE INTERSECTION COUNCIL: IS, GONNA BE. COUNCIL: I'M JUST WONDERING WHY AREN'T THERE ANY DOUBLE LANE LEFT? TURNS GOING INTO THIS SHOPPING CENTER COUNCIL: AND GOING BACK TO MY, YOU KNOW MY KNOWLEDGE WHERE EVERY OTHER MAJOR THING THAT'S BEEN IN THIS 12 BRIDGES. WE'VE HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE WHERE THEY SAY IT'S GOING TO WORK, AND LET'S ALL BE REAL. NONE OF THEM WORK COUNCIL: RIGHT? SO ONCE WE DO IT, IT'S TOO LATE, AND I'M LOOKING AT IT AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY GOING THAT AIN'T GOING TO WORK. COUNCIL: SO CONVINCE ME HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK, BECAUSE THE OTHER STUFF IN THE AREA DON'T DOESN'T WORK. COUNCIL: YEAH. SO. COUNCIL: YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION HERE IS, WHAT'S GOING ON IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION RIGHT NOW, AND HOW WILL THE PROJECT AFFECT THAT RIGHT? AND COUNCIL: YOU KNOW THE STUDY WE PUT TOGETHER. WE WERE NOT THE AUTHORS OF THOSE OTHER STUDIES YOU MENTIONED. THOSE WERE NOT US. THIS YOU KNOW, FAIR AND PIERS. WE DID THINGS STATE OF THE PRACTICE STATE OF THE ART MICRO SIMULATION, MODELING. SAME TYPE OF STUFF WE DO FOR CALTRANS. IT'S BEEN REVIEWED INDEPENDENTLY BY DKS ASSOCIATES WHO DID THE GENERAL PLAN FOR THE CITY OF COUNCIL: OF LINCOLN, AND COUNCIL: I SHARED INITIALLY YOUR POSSIBLE CONCERNS. COMMISSIONER MANNING, ABOUT IF YOU'RE COMING OFF 65. ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ACROSS THE LANES TO BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT AT THE SIGNAL COUNCIL: AT DRIVEWAY B. COUNCIL: BECAUSE THERE'S TRAFFIC ON 12 BRIDGES, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO. YOU KNOW, IT'S A FREE RIGHT COMING OFF THE FREEWAY. COUNCIL: SO THAT'S MODELED IN THE ANALYSIS WE'VE DONE. WE HAVE A SIMULATION MODEL THAT SHOWS THAT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE CARS MAKING THEIR WAY. COUNCIL: AND THERE'S LESS TRAFFIC. SO THE PARALLEL COUNCIL: ANALOGY OR COMPARISON HERE IS WHAT'S ON, FOR INSTANCE, SOUTHBOUND 65 AT CREEKSIDE, WHERE BEST BUY IS. YOU KNOW WHERE BARNES AND NOBLES IS. IT'S ON GALLERIA BOULEVARD, JUST SOUTH OF, YOU KNOW, IN CITY OF ROSEVILLE. COUNCIL: THERE'S A LEFT TURN LANE THERE, AN UNSIGNALIZED LEFT TURN LANE THERE, AND THAT TURN LANE IS COUNCIL: HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FEET SHORTER THAN THIS, THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT MORE DISTANCE BETWEEN DRIVEWAY B COUNCIL: AND THE OFF RAMP. THE OFF RAMP'S NOT EVEN SHOWN HERE. SO IT'S THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE. SO WHEN WE ANALYZE IT IN IN THE SIMULATION MODEL, WE DON'T SEE THAT KIND OF SHOCKWAVE OF TRAFFIC HAPPENING THERE. COUNCIL: ONE OTHER THING I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW THERE IS A SURGE OF TRAFFIC WITH JOHN ADAMS ACADEMY. WE ALL KNOW IT. WE SEE IT. I'VE SEEN IT MYSELF. COUNCIL: AND THERE'S A SECOND SURGE WITH 12 BRIDGES HIGH SCHOOL GETTING OUT OF SESSION RIGHT? THEY DON'T PERFECTLY ALIGN. COUNCIL: BUT THE LANES ARE NOT PERFECT EITHER. SO A RECOMMENDATION IN OUR STUDY IS TO ACTUALLY MODIFY THE SIGNAL AT 12 BRIDGES AND COLONNADE. COUNCIL: SO THAT IT WORKS BETTER BASED ON THE TRAVEL DEMANDS. SO I WON'T GET INTO THAT UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO GET INTO THE TECHNICAL DETAILS. IT'S A WAY SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ACTUALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF QUEUING. SO IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LESS TIME TO GET OUT OF TOLL BRIDGES IF YOU'VE TRIED TO GET OUT TOLL BRIDGES HIGH SCHOOL AT 3, 33, 45 PM. COUNCIL: THE LEFT TURN LANE. THERE'S NOT ANY GREEN FOR IT. SO PEOPLE ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND THEY MAKE A U-TURN AND COLONNADE AT DRIVEWAY C. THE SOLUTION WE'VE COME UP WITH IS GOING TO MAKE THAT NOT HAPPEN. COUNCIL: SO THERE ARE PEAKS AND SURGES IN TRAFFIC. COUNCIL: BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS DEVELOPED A WHOLE SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE'S NOT A DUAL LEFT AT THE SIGNAL AT DRIVEWAY B, COUNCIL: SIMPLY BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS NOT HIGH ENOUGH WHEN IT'S 300 VEHICLES PER HOUR. THAT'S WHEN WE DO A DUAL LEFT, THE DEMAND IS NOT THAT HIGH? WE HAVE A 400 FOOT LEFT, TURN POCKET, THOUGH, AND THAT PROVIDES STORAGE FOR UP TO 16 VEHICLES. SO WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS GOING TO WORK. BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S NO CONGESTION OUT THERE, BECAUSE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS, BE OUT THERE AND YOU SEE IT. COUNCIL: CAN I JUST ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, COMMISSIONER MAY. OKAY, YEAH. SO ONE THING THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW, TOO. AND I'M THINKING. COUNCIL: YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY'S RUNNING LATE, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET OVER TO THE ACADEMY. COUNCIL: THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THEY'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT. COUNCIL: SO THAT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO TO ALSO KIND OF CONTEMPLATE HERE, BECAUSE THERE IS DEFINITELY A STRAIGHT SHOT COUNCIL: FROM. I THINK IT'S EITHER A OR B ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK TOWARDS JOHN ADAMS ACADEMY. COUNCIL: YEAH, CAN I COUNCIL: JUST PIGGYBACK ON THAT? SO I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP AS WELL. BUT SINCE YOU DID, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. I THINK IT'S GOING FROM POINT A TO E FROM 12 BRIDGES STRAIGHT UP TO DRESDEN. COUNCIL: SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, THAT'S WHERE MY MIND WENT AUTOMATICALLY TO. I'M I'M NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT, BUT LIKE COMMISSIONER MANNING, I'M AN EXPERT AT THE LOCAL DRIVING AROUND HERE COUNCIL: SO EXPERIENCING THAT, YOU KNOW, STACKING THAT HAPPENS. AND BACKUP, YOU KNOW, AS AS SOMEONE I COULD SEE LIKE, HEY, THERE'S A STRAIGHT SHOT LIKE STRAIGHT TO THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CENTER THAT THEY'RE ADDING RIGHT THERE. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL TO KIND OF DISSUADE PEOPLE TO DO THAT. OR IF IT'S SET UP LIKE, IF WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GET THAT IDEA GOING THROUGH THERE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. COUNCIL: AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS FIGURE ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY. THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG THAT MAIN DRIVE AISLE. COUNCIL: AND THAT'S BASICALLY, THIS AREA THROUGH HERE INSTALL RAISED INTERSECTIONS OR CROSSWALKS. SO BASICALLY, TRAFFIC CALMING OR SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN, ESPECIALLY OUTBOUND TRAFFIC. AFTER PICKING UP YOUR STUDENT AT JOHN ADAMS ACADEMY. I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THAT COUNCIL: PEOPLE WILL DECIDE, INSTEAD OF TURNING LEFT TO GO ON TO CALL, YOU KNOW, TO GALEWIND, TO COLONNADE. THEY MAY USE THAT DRIVE AISLE, AND COUNCIL: WHETHER, NO MATTER WHAT PROJECTS BUILT THAT DRIVE OUT GETS USED. IN THAT CASE, IF IT'S ANY SORT OF DIRECT. BUT THE MITIGATIONS ARE IN PLACE. IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE. IT'S THE PAPPAS INVESTMENT PROPERTY THAT'S HAVING TO LIVE WITH IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT'S IT'S KIND OF A LIMITATION OF BEING PLACED IN THIS LOCATION. COUNCIL: BUT YOUR POINTS IT'S I MEAN, IT'S VALID. THERE. THERE COULD BE PARENTS THAT DECIDE TO WAIT THERE INSTEAD OF WAITING, YOU KNOW, ALONG COLONNA WHICH OCCURS TODAY, AND I GUESS ON THAT MAIN ARTERY KIND OF GOING, YOU KNOW, SOUTH TO NORTH THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS IT JUST SINGLE KIND OF LIKE SINGLE LANE WIDE, OR IS IT LIKE DOUBLE? IS IT PRETTY WIDE IN THERE? I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE YOU GET A LOT OF CARS GOING THROUGH THERE. IF IT'S COUNCIL: GOING TO BE LIKE A 1 LANE IN EACH DIRECTION. ONE LANE. YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT ANY WIDER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE THE WIDER IT IS, THE FASTER TRAFFIC WILL GO. YEAH. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, COMMISSIONER, THERE IS NO LEFT ON THE MIC JUST TO BE CLEAR, COMMISSIONER, THERE IS NO LEFT TURN FROM 12 BRIDGES INTO A, IT'S ONLY INTO B, SO THERE'S NO, THEY'RE NOT 2 LEFT TURNS. COUNCIL: YEAH, THANK YOU COUNCIL: EXCUSE ME, TONY. COUNCIL: IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. AND PLEASE, IF THERE'S A TOPIC AND PEOPLE WANT TO JUMP ON IT, JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S THE TOPIC. GO FOR IT. OKAY, MY, MY NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE AROUND THE SIGN. OKAY. COUNCIL: SO THROUGH THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. YOU MENTIONED THAT COUNCIL: THAT WE DO HAVE A CITY ORDINANCE ON SIGNS CORRECT COUNCIL: AND AND THE SIZE OF SIGNS. COUNCIL: SO WE DO. THIS IS EXEMPT IN SOME WAY. COUNCIL: SO WE DO HAVE A SIGN ORDINANCE TITLE 16. THAT SPECIFIES THAT ANY. BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE THIS TYPE OF SIGN. THE PYLON SIGNS. IT'S NOT ONE OF THE LISTED THINGS, BUT IT DOES SAY THAT AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH THIS PROJECT IS A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DEVELOPMENT PERMIT SLASH MASTER PLAN. YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH CREATE YOUR OWN STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO FOR THE SITE. COUNCIL: OKAY, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL: FOR FREESTANDING DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL OR HIGHWAY, COMMERCIAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THE MAXIMUM DIMENSION AREA RIGHT NOW IN OUR CITY VERSUS SIGN IS 6, COUNCIL: 64, SQUARE FOOT, AND UP TO 14 FEET HIGH. AM I WRONG ON THAT, OR IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT. THE GENERAL PLAN COUNCIL: IN OUR CITY SPECS SAY THAT A SIGN IS LIMITED TO 50 SQUARE FEET. COUNCIL: AND THEN ALSO THE BILLBOARDS ALONG HIGHWAY 65 ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE 200 SQUARE FEET, WITH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 25 FEET. COUNCIL: SO CORRECT. SO THIS IS WAY BEYOND. SO THAT SCOPE. COUNCIL: YEAH. SO THE SIGN ORDINANCE DIDN'T CONTEMPLATE LIKE IT, DIDN'T IT? SORRY? COUNCIL: THE SIGN ORDINANCE LIKE DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL DISCRETION. IF YOU DO A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. COUNCIL: YOU KNOW YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCRETION TO, YOU KNOW. SET THIS THE SIGN HEIGHT AS LONG AS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE LIKE THERE'S RATIONALE BEHIND IT. COUNCIL: AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH THIS PROJECT. AND YEAH, LIKE THAT SIGN CODE, LIKE, IT'S STATED, I FORGET WHAT YEAR IT STATED. BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT THAT PREDATES LIKE EVEN LIKE COUNCIL: HIGHWAY 65, THE SIGN ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED, I WANT TO SAY 1516 YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS AFTER MULTIPLE MONTH, MULTIPLE MONTHS, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO OF PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT I REVIEWED, AND IT WAS BECAUSE WE HAD SOME LEGAL COURT CASES THAT CAME OUT THAT TALKED ABOUT WHAT YOU COULD REGULATE, WHAT YOU COULDN'T REGULATE WHEN IT CAME TO SIGNS. COUNCIL: AND SO THE SINORNS AT THAT TIME, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE LINCOLN 15 YEARS AGO, WAS NOT CONTEMPLATING MAJOR CONSTRUCTION OF FREEWAY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON COUNCIL: OFFSIDE SIGN OFFSIDE SIGNS. IT WAS FOCUSED ON YOU KNOW, SANDWICH BOARDS AND COUNCIL: FLAGS THAT ARE THE FLAG THINGS I MEAN JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT JUST REALLY WEREN'T IN IN THE PURVIEW OR VISION OF THE CITY AT THE TIME, I THINK. COUNCIL: AND SO IT DOES HAVE THIS SORT OF OFF RAMP LANGUAGE THAT IT KIND OF SAYS. COUNCIL: YOU KNOW, IF IT'S CONTEMPLATED BY YOUR CURRENT, BY SOME CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND AND THERE IS AN EXEMPTION THAT SEEMS TO FIT THAT IT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT. SO COUNCIL: I WOULDN'T GET HUNG UP ON IT. THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE, I MEAN, WE HAD FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I'VE LOOKED AT. WE HAD EVERY NONPROFIT IN HERE THAT WAS ARGUING ABOUT. BECAUSE WE WANT TO SELL SEES CANDY. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SIGN AT THIS CORNER, AND BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE OUR CRAB FEED, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SIGN AT THIS CORNER. SO THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL: THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COMMISSIONER GILBERT, YOU MAY REMEMBER IT BETTER THAN I DO, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE REVIEWED, IT WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT OUR BINGO SIGNS UP ON THE FENCE AT GLIDING MCBEAN, AND THINGS LIKE THAT VERSUS ANY CONTEMPLATION OF MAJOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT A FREEWAY OFF RAMP. COUNCIL: SO JUST WITH THAT HISTORICAL BACKGROUND. I AGAIN. I WASN'T EVEN HERE, BUT I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE RECORDS. I WAS LOBBIED ABOUT 4 TIMES A DAY IN SHOPPING CENTERS AT A CHURCH. COUNCIL: AT AT WORK. ONE DAY I WAS WORKING, AND SOMEONE SAID, OH, YEAH, YOU YOU SERVE ON THE CITY COUNCIL. COUNCIL: LET ME TALK TO YOU ABOUT SIGNS OR THE ROTARY CLUB WAS DOING SOMETHING. COUNCIL: AND SO THERE WAS A LOT THERE WAS. COUNCIL: I DON'T WANT TO SAY THERE WAS TOO MUCH DISCUSSION, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF OVERKILL. WELL, AND YOU ARE A KIWANIAN, SO MAYBE WE CAN BLAME YOU FOR THE SEIZED CANDY. SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS IN LINCOLN HILLS AND THE CITY, AND COUNCIL: YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY ALL COUNCIL: WANTED TO GET YOUR EAR AND TELL YOU WHY THEY HAD TO BE AN EXCEPTION. COUNCIL: SO WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS MAKING THAT POINT. BECAUSE THEN THAT UNDERSCORES WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO COUNCIL: THIS IS MY MY STRUGGLE. MY 1ST JOB I EVER HAD WAS WITH ANHEUSER-BUSCH WHEN I GOT OUT OF COLLEGE. COUNCIL: AND I DIDN'T WORK AT THE PLANT COUNCIL: I WORKED OUT OF ST. LOUIS, BUT I DIDN'T WORK AT THE PLANT. WE ALL DRIVE BY DOWN 80. THAT'S IN THE VACAVILLE AREA RIGHT THERE. BUT THE ONE FACT THAT THEY WOULD ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE AT THAT BUILDING IS THAT THE BUDWEISER ON THE SIDE OF THE WALL IS AS BIG AS A SCHOOL BUS. COUNCIL: AND SO THE PROBLEM I HAVE RIGHT NOW AS SOMEBODY WHO'S TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT FROM THE FREEWAY. AND IF SOMEONE ASKS HOW BIG DO YOU THINK THOSE LETTERS ARE? MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK THEY'RE ABOUT 4 OR 5 FEET TALL? IT'S AS BIG AS A SCHOOL BUS. COUNCIL: WHAT IS 75 FEET? COUNCIL: I NEED HELP. MAYBE IT ISN'T THAT OR 81 FEET. MAYBE IT'S NOT THAT TALL, RIGHT. BUT WHEN I HEAR 81 FEET I FEEL LIKE OUR TOWN IS GOING TO BE DOMINATED BY A RETAIL SIGN AS YOU'RE ENTERING IT, AND I'M THINKING OF SOME OF THESE SIGNS GOING DOWN 880 IN THE FREMONT AREA THAT ARE JUST DOMINATING A COMMUNITY. AND I'M LOOKING BACK TO THE SPIRIT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF 12 BRIDGES. COUNCIL: SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND. WHAT'S THAT? MAYBE IT'S NOT THAT TALL. GIVE ME EXAMPLES, COMMISSIONER MANON. OUR OBJECTIVE IS NOT TO BUILD A TALL SIGN. IT'S TO BUILD AN EFFECTIVE SIGN. FAIR ENOUGH. WE WENT OUT THERE. WE WERE OUT THERE ALL DAY DOING LINE OF SIGHT SURVEYS. YOU HAVE TO. YOUR TENANTS NEED TO HAVE SIGNAGE THAT PEOPLE ON 65 CAN SEE AND ALLOW TIME FOR THEM TO GET ON THE OFFER OFF THE OFF RAMP COUNCIL: TO GO TO THE CENTER. AND IF YOU KNOW THE SITE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT PRESERVE AREA BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY AND 65, WHICH REQUIRES A SIGNIFICANT SETBACK FROM THE 65. SO WE LOOKED AT THAT. THIS IS. COUNCIL: WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET EXCESSIVE. THE TALLER SIGN, THE MORE EXPENSIVE THE SIGN. BUT WE'VE GOT TO MEET STANDARDS FOR OUR TENANTS, SO THAT THERE'S A LINE OF SIGHT FOR TRAFFIC. FOR EXAMPLE, COMING NORTHBOUND ON 65 THAT THEY HAVE TIME TO SEE THAT SIGN AND SEE THOSE TENANTS AND REACT AND GET OFF THE ROAD. AND I THINK COUNCIL: THE NUGGET CENTER SIGN IS COUNCIL: 70 FEET OR SO. SO WE'RE ADDITIONAL 5 FEET. AND THEN WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMENTS THAT WE WOULD ADD 6 TO 7 FEET TO THAT IF, IN FACT, COMMISSION ELECTED TO HAVE US PUT CITY OF LINCOLN AT THE TOP OF THE SIGN THERE. COUNCIL: SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR RIGHT THERE, GIVE ME SOME MORE EXAMPLES. THE NUGGETS CENTER. WHERE'S THAT AT COUNCIL: ROCKLAND WHICH ONE? COUNCIL: IT'S NOT BUILT? IT'S BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW SOME SIGNS THAT I DRIVE BY EVERY DAY TO GIVE ME A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT 81 FEET IS. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN GOING DOWN 5 TOWARDS SACRAMENTO OR ACTUALLY GOING UP. COUNCIL: THEY'RE DOWN 5 IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH ON 5. THERE'S DELTA SHORES RIGHT OVER THERE. SO THE DELTA SHORES HAS 3 OF THOSE SIGNS, ACTUALLY, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY THEY MIGHT BE EVEN TALLER THAN 81 FEET. I THINK THEY ARE. I HOPE THEY ARE, BECAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE HUGE. RIGHT? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THERE'S A NO GO, JACKSON, THAT THAT'S COUNCIL: WE'RE DOING ONE SIGN OF THAT HEIGHT. SO WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC COUNCIL: WITH WITH THAT SIGN. BUT DELTA SHORES IS AN EXAMPLE, AND THERE'S MULTIPLE THERE IN A MUCH SHORTER AREA, AND THEY'RE MUCH CLOSER TO THE FREEWAY THAN THIS LINE WOULD BE COUNCIL: ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEA LIKE PAST PRO SHOP SIGN? COUNCIL: BOY, I'D LOVE SOME EXAMPLES LIKE THAT TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I COUNCIL: THE POINT OF MY STORY? COUNCIL: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S MY POINT. THE PERSPECTIVE THAT I HAVE. AND I GAVE THAT STORY ABOUT THE BUDWEISER BUILDING FOR PERSPECTIVE IS, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? AND I DON'T THINK MOST DO. 75 FEET MIGHT NOT BE MUCH BUT IT WHEN I HEAR IT, IT SEEMS HUGE. COUNCIL: RIGHT? SO I WOULD LOVE. I WOULD LOVE MORE PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S THAT. AND I'LL MOVE TO MY LAST POINT UNLESS YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE LINCOLN CROSSING SIGNS, THE LINCOLN MARKET CROSSING SIGNS THE ONE THAT HAS THE TARGET AND THE HOME DEPOT THAT ONE'S 65 FEET. SO THIS ONE WOULD BE 16 FEET TALLER THAN THAT ONE. COUNCIL: JIM. OKAY, IF I COULD, IF I CAN. THEN YEAH, YEAH, TAKE ON HERE. COUNCIL: IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW, WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THIS COUNCIL: EFFECTIVELY, NEGOTIATED AN ARRANGEMENT WHERE YOU'D HAVE COUNCIL: A CITY OF LINCOLN ENTRYWAY SIGN EFFECTIVELY. COUNCIL: AND FOR THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO SACRIFICE AN ADDITIONAL 16 FEET. COUNCIL: I THINK THAT'S A VERY POOR, IMPORTANT NEGOTIATING FOR STARTERS. COUNCIL: THE IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE WELCOME TO LINCOLN. SIGN COUNCIL: A A SIGN ON THE 12 BRIDGES ON THE CITY EASEMENT. COUNCIL: I GUESS THE CITY OWNERSHIP OF THAT SIGN. THAT'S LEAST TO THE 12 BRIDGES DEVELOPER. COUNCIL: THAT SITE WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE WELCOMING SIGN TO TO LINCOLN, AND I'M SURE WHEN THE CITY CAN AFFORD IT. COUNCIL: AND THERE'S ENOUGH PRESSURE BY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT KIND OF SIGN, AND WE DON'T NEED COUNCIL: THAT EXTRA 16 FEET, AND WE HAVE AT LEAST SOME HISTORY OF OF A 65 FOOT LIMIT. COUNCIL: AND THIS ISN'T THE LAST ONE WE'RE GOING TO SEE. YOU KNOW. I CAN SEE NELSON LANE RIGHT AROUND NELSON ROAD RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. COUNCIL: SO COUNCIL: I'D MUCH PREFER, IF WE NEED TO, TO GIVE UP THE WELCOME TO CITY KIND OF SIGN AND GO BACK TO COMMERCIAL SIGN THAT COUNCIL: PEOPLE CAN SEE FROM THE FREEWAY BECAUSE IT IS A FREEWAY ORIENTED SHOPPING CENTER. COUNCIL: LET'S TONY. LET'S LET TONY FINISH UP, AND THEN, OF COURSE, I'LL GIVE YOU YOUR SHOT. JERRY. YEAH, YEAH, OKAY. AND COUNCIL: SOME OF THIS IS CLARIFICATION. SO I'LL LOOK TO TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR SOME OF THIS, BUT COUNCIL: THE AREA WAS WAS IS ORIGINALLY ZONED AS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER. RIGHT? DOES THIS MEET COUNCIL: THE ZONING FOR AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER? THIS BECAUSE THIS SEEMS TO ME LIKE RETAIL COMMERCIAL. COUNCIL: SO IN THAT TALL BUSINESS GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT DOES SAY EMPLOYMENT CENTER. BUT THEN, LIKE, IF YOU KEEP READING THE STANDARDS IN THAT SAME PARAGRAPH IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH. IF YOU KEEP LOOKING AT THE THE STANDARDS AND THE TALL BUSINESS GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT'S IT SPECIFIES THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RETAIL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO NOW OUT USED IN THE EC'S 1 ZONE. COUNCIL: OKAY, I JUST FEEL LIKE, IF THIS WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN COUNCIL: TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF CENTER. AT THAT LOCATION THERE WOULD BE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE IN THE ORIGINAL ROAD WITH WITH MORE ROBUST TRAFFIC DESIGN TO PUT PEOPLE THERE. I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THAT AREA WAS OFFICE SPACE EMPLOYMENT CENTER, NOT A MASSIVE RETAIL CENTER. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE 12 BRIDGES, MASTER PLAN. COUNCIL: THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME THAT IT'S THERE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY OPINION ON THAT. YEAH. SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TONY CHERRY. COUNCIL: OKAY, I HAVE. COUNCIL: I HAVE SOME CONNECT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS. COUNCIL: GET ACCESS TO THIS SITE. I'M WONDERING IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY FEARS. AND PIERCE DID COUNCIL: ADDRESS THOSE KIND OF ISSUES? COUNCIL: A. COUNCIL: YOUR ANSWER, YEAH. COUNCIL: WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT? COUNCIL: HAPPY TO AGAIN. JOHN GARD WITH FARRON PIERS. COUNCIL: MAYBE I MEAN, I COULD JUST AD LIB AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BICYCLE FACILITIES THAT ARE PRESENT AND PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES AND VOLUMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? ARE THERE SPECIFIC MOVEMENTS OR DIRECTIONS THAT ARE WELL COMING FROM THE NORTH, WHERE THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE OF CONCERN. COUNCIL: OKAY, I MEAN, IT ARE, ARE THERE? ARE THERE BICYCLE LANES AT THE MAIN ENTRANCES? COUNCIL: ARE THERE? COUNCIL: BICYCLES PARKING AREAS? OR WHAT DO WE HAVE? COUNCIL: AND I GUESS I CAN ANSWER THIS AS WELL. SO THERE IS A YOU KNOW, A TYPE. COUNCIL: THERE'S A CLASS 2 BIKE LANE ALL AROUND, LIKE IN THE FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL: PROJECT SITE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SIDEWALK THAT LEADS FROM THE NORTHERN, LIKE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THIS PROJECT SITE, AND ONCE YOU ENTER THE PROJECT SITE. THEN THERE'S NO MEANDERING LIKE SIDE SIDEWALKS THAT GO IN THE SHOPPING CENTER. COUNCIL: AND AND OF COURSE BIKE PARKING IS REQUIRED. AND THEN SO THIS PROJECT ONE OF THE AMENITIES IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S BIKE RACKS AND ALSO BIKE LOCKERS AS WELL. COUNCIL: PRETTY GOOD. COUNCIL: OKAY, LET'S TRANSFER TO ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING. IS THERE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS IN THE SITE? THAT WILL BE AN APPLICANT QUESTION OR EFFORT. YEP. COUNCIL: I THOUGHT WE WERE PICKING SOME UP AT THE ARCO STATION, BUT I WAS THERE YESTERDAY, AND THERE WEREN'T ANY THERE. SO THIS AGAIN. THIS IS LIKE TENTATIVE. YOU KNOW. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, LIKE, VERY LIKE, YOU KNOW FIRST.ST COUNCIL: WELL, WE'VE GONE THROUGH LIKE MULTIPLE ITERATIONS OF THE SITE PLAN. BUT YOU KNOW IT'S NOT. COUNCIL: WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS LIKE THAT WILL COME IN LATER AT THE COUNCIL: AT THE ACTUAL TECHNICAL REVIEW. BUT THERE IS LIKE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODES THAT REQUIRE EV PARKING EV CAPABLE PARKING ON THE SITE AS WELL. COUNCIL: SO THEN, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE REQUIREMENTS AT A LATER POINT. COUNCIL: WHAT WOULD? WHAT WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENT FOR EV CHARGING STATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT THIS SIZE. COUNCIL: I HATE TO QUOTE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE. OKAY? BUT BUT THAT WILL BE PART OF THE REQUIREMENT. COUNCIL: ALL RIGHT. WHO WOULD EV CAPABLE PARTNER. I MIGHT COMMENT ON THAT TILL YOU KNOW COUNCIL: WHAT USES ARE GOING TO BE IN THE VARIOUS BUILDINGS. COUNCIL: SO IF YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING THAT'S HOUSING SOMETHING WHERE THE AVERAGE CUSTOMERS THERE FOR 5 MIN COUNCIL: VERSUS A BUILDING, OR THE MAYBE A 1 H VISIT COUNCIL: THAT THAT HELPS YOU DEFINE THE KIND OF PARKING. COUNCIL: CHARGING STATIONS, ETC, THAT YOU NEED. COUNCIL: WE'LL GET A SECOND SHOT AT THIS WHEN THEY START BRINGING THE TENANTS IN COUNCIL: FOR REVIEW, AND AT THAT TIME THAT'S A VERY APPLICABLE QUESTION. COUNCIL: THEY ARE AWARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT. COUNCIL: AND WE'RE AWARE THAT WE WANT THAT AS A CITY. COUNCIL: BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN SOLVE THAT TONIGHT, BECAUSE. COUNCIL: AS THEY SAID, THEY DON'T WANT TO SHARE WHO THE TENANTS ARE, AND I I USED TO FINANCE SHOPPING CENTERS. SO I UNDERSTAND WHY. COUNCIL: BUT THAT'S GOING TO DETERMINE WHAT WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED IN THE SECOND PHASE OF THIS, AFTER THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS DONE, AND THEY'RE STARTING TO SIGN LEASES. SPEAKING OF INFRASTRUCTURE, THOUGH, ISN'T IT IMPORTANT TO KIND OF KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW MANY OF THOSE EV CHARGING STATIONS. THERE'S GOING TO BE. SO YOU CAN BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR IT TO START UNDERGROUND BEFORE YOU START DOING ANYTHING ELSE, AND WE START GETTING POSSIBLE TENANTS IN HERE. COUNCIL: YEAH. AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS COUNCIL: THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST 4 FAST FOOD COUNCIL: USES THERE WHICH ARE AN IDEAL COUPLING WITH CHARGING STATIONS, BECAUSE IT TAKES ABOUT AS LONG AS YOU CAN GET A HAMBURGER AND A COKE TO CHARGE YOUR CAR, AND COUNCIL: I WOULD THINK THAT SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN NOW RATHER THAN LATER, FOR TIM'S REASON REASONING. COUNCIL: SO GO AHEAD. OKAY, COUNCIL: THE GREEN STRIP ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROJECT. COUNCIL: I'M THINKING THAT MAY BE THE SITE OF A THE SEWER EASEMENT. COUNCIL: YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, IT PROBABLY EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH THE FORAY RANCH ROAD TRAIL COUNCIL: THAT GOES ON TOP OF A SEWER EASEMENT. COUNCIL: THIS SEEMS LIKE AN IDEAL OPPORTUNITY COUNCIL: TO PICK UP A TRAIL THAT COULD BE EXTENDED TO THE PARK COUNCIL: JUST NORTH OF HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE APARTMENT PROJECT. COUNCIL: AND I THINK WE'RE MISSING A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IF WE DON'T COUNCIL: HAVE THAT AS PART OF THIS PLAN. COUNCIL: AN ASSOCIATED ISSUE IS THAT COUNCIL: THE THE WEST END OF THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE COUNCIL: PRETTY DARN VISIBLE FROM THE FREEWAY. AND THAT'S COUNCIL: AND AND THAT'S 1 OF THE REASONS WHY THE DEVELOPER WANTS IT THERE, OF COURSE. COUNCIL: BUT THOSE TRUCK LOADING STATIONS COUNCIL: ARE NOT REALLY VERY WELL SCREENED FROM THE HIGHWAY, AND I DON'T THINK WILL LOOK ATTRACTIVE, AND COUNCIL: I THINK SOME MORE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE ON ON LANDSCAPING. COUNCIL: ON ON THAT STRIP OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. COUNCIL: MY COMMENT ON THAT ONE CAN, CAN I? I GUESS I JUST WANT TO SECOND THAT ONE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT. OKAY. COUNCIL: OKAY. COUNCIL: RATHER THAN JUMPING ALL AROUND RIGHT? AND THEN, OF COURSE, I'M I'M SECOND TONY'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN. I THINK COUNCIL: THE MAX SHOULD BE 65 FEET. COUNCIL: AND THAT REALLY IS, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL: PERFECT. YEAH. SO WITH THAT VISUAL THAT WAS JUST UP. I SHARE THE SAME THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. COUNCIL: I GUESS ON ON THE MAP, THE GREEN GREEN SPACE THERE, JUST BECAUSE IT IS VISUAL FROM COUNCIL: IT'S GOING TO BE A PROMINENT VISUAL POINT FROM THE HIGHWAY. SO I'D ENCOURAGE. COUNCIL: YOU KNOW, WHATEVER POINT STAGE THAT IS TO SEE WHAT THERE IS THAT CAN BE DONE TO COUNCIL: BEAUTIFY. THAT, I GUESS, IS A GOOD WORD TO SAY. I ALSO LIKE TO PAY ATTENTION TO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, AND YOU KNOW, BEING A USER MYSELF, A LOT FOOT TRAFFIC OUT THERE. COUNCIL: I THINK IT'S A GREAT KIND OF A MISSED OPPORTUNITY IN GENERAL CREATING A GOOD CONNECTOR FOOTPATH KIND OF ALONG THAT WAY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE REGIONAL PARK THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE. COUNCIL: BUT IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOMETHING COUNCIL: GOING UP THAT WAY WOULD BE WONDERFUL, AND EVEN IF IT CAN'T GO PAST THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT COULD GO UP AND THEN JUST HANG IT RIGHT BACK TO THAT ROAD COUNCIL: WITH SOME BEAUTIFICATION. THERE, I THINK, WOULD BE GREAT. SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. COUNCIL: ONE OF MY ONE OF MY ITEMS. COUNCIL: LET'S SEE. SO SOME OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT I'VE ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT KIND OF THE THROUGH TRAFFIC SIGN. COUNCIL: I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE THE 12 BRIDGES MONUMENT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE, THE MEDIAN COUNCIL: COMING INTO 12 BRIDGES GOING EASTBOUND. THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. NOW, IT'S JUST THAT LITTLE MONUMENT GOING UP COUNCIL: I COULDN'T TELL, AND MAYBE I MISSED IT. BUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT? WITH ADDING A TURNING LEFT LANE? DOES THAT JUST COMPLETELY GO AWAY. DOES THAT GET RELOCATED? DOES IT LOOK DIFFERENT NOW? IS THERE ANY OTHER, I GUESS? ENTRANCE KIND OF WELCOMING PEOPLE TO TOLL BRIDGES? COUNCIL: SO GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAVID BERRY. I'M WITH YOU, BORA, ENGINEERING AND PLANNING. SO LET ME ANSWER YOUR MONUMENT QUESTIONS. SO THE THE PLAN NOW AND THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS TO TAKE THAT MONUMENT THAT'S IN THE MEDIAN OF 12 BRIDGES. DRIVE AND RELOCATE IT TO THE WEST, SO IT WILL STILL BE THERE. IT'LL IT'LL JUST BE MOVED FURTHER FOR THE DIRECTION AND THE PREVIOUS QUESTION ABOUT COUNCIL: THE BEAUTIFICATION ON THE WEST SIDE. WE, TOO, SHARE THAT OBJECTIVE. WE DO HAVE A CONSTRAINT OF NOT BEING ABLE TO PLANT TREES WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THAT SEWER LINE AND SEWER EASEMENT. SO WE'RE CONSTRAINED WITH WITH TREES RELATIVE TO THE EXISTING SEWER LINE. OKAY, SO WITH THAT CONSTRAINT, THOUGH, LIKE SHRUBBERY GRASS, OR YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL: THOSE WOULD BE ALLOWED. AND AND YES, OKAY, YEAH, OKAY. COUNCIL: YEAH, THANK YOU. AND SO IF I UNDERSTAND, THE MONUMENT'S JUST GOING TO MOVE CLOSER TO THE HIGHWAY. COUNCIL: YEAH, OKAY. COUNCIL: ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, FOR NOW I'M CURIOUS. IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS. COUNCIL: I'M I'M GOING TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL: I LEARNED AT LUNCH THE OTHER DAY A FRIEND OF MINE JUST CAME BACK FROM CHINA, AND HE SHARED COUNCIL: THAT. COUNCIL: THEY ARE SO FAR AHEAD OF US WITH ELECT, WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES MAYBE DECADES AHEAD OF US. COUNCIL: HE VISUALIZED. HE SAW AN