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>> Sherman's in saying. >> The City Council meeting your elected officials are mayor Rick kriseman this one chair turn league or days this trick too. Randy Gabbert. Council vice chair Edmonton Mary. Gina Driscoll this just 7 Lisa Wheeler Bowman. And district 8 Amy Foster. >> Noon we'll call the that number 21,019 meeting of the St. Petersburg City Council to order Mister Corker Madam Clerk if I could have a roll call police for now. You're this poll here will obama on their Foster here. You know as I close in on on my term limits my departure from City And reflecting a lot on the time I've spent tandems. The good the bad the ugly all that, certainly among the good is all the all of the St. Petersburg community faith leaders that I've been able to interact with spend time with learned from be inspired by. And we have another one of those community faith leaders with us today to lead us an indication to open our meeting. This is a man who is the and body meant of gentle humility. Reverence true believe. In a God that loves all and wants peace and serenity are also would welcome mam up to Ali to lead this an indication followed by the pledge of allegiance please. Thank you. Well they're going to land. And that are translated. Talk peace be with you. What's got to Maine. Commercial poll. Benefactor the merciful redeemer. You as our Lord created. To create a football world. The creator of the human family. And to create a poll system from others. But there's but one 1 along. The praise belong to our Lord. And we are thankful. But Bowles, you were sent to this world to be an example for the human We are thankful for this day. And we big for you mercy and we better put your forgiveness. Our prayers that you continue to God. The heart and mind a bomb near. This part of the body. This administration. Betterment but that's one of the city. Cricket to span and to fight. But of those but then what is right. But then hoot who love and care. This warmer percent of its one of the nation the world in which we live. Let us thanet support them and that up. A little support all peoples of all Bay. And real who what about a minute all people throughout the world. A lot of not being mocked those who fight and the by the wonderful world in which we live Bayer's along that was created by our creator. The rule for all who want to live in peace and harmony and this one up a world in which we live. And lastly let us think the one of whom were women and men who served the city that's counting of the state. That country. The world in which we live. Best of all and the it's about prayers. We pray in your holy name we all say all men are. One nation under God and the >> Our colleagues we have an agenda and I know about one addition we're adding the layer report from our letter meeting. Last Thu. Any other revisions changes so that the discussion. And look we have a motion a second to approve the agenda with the addition of the later report, as g 4. Holly you with us motion to approve the agenda. We'll check your okays. Touchdown thank you all can you if you please. He announced to her. Because the chair the motion to approve the agenda passes unanimously. Thank you. We have a consent agenda colleagues any discussion motions changes. We do have one part on the I believe it's about the first items. Money for Grant or wait how. And I just wanted to. Which one is the point home. They want they k so just. My question is so. It just seems like this is an opportunity to understand how this does or does not really too. Amendment I mean that's going to be on the ballot in November. Regarding voting, yes, or no to allow the city to accept grants for ecological purpose says. But the that is for waterfront Park property but because Boyd hello. It is not and waterfront Park property, this is an example of the kind that k. This is an example of the types of grants to the Fed also cut for waterfront Park systems but we can't unless that a charter referendum. I don't passes. You're absolutely right. This is the item this is the grant how does create the charter amendment. So the charter amendment is for more than just waterfront parkland it's for all of our charter protected which Boyd Hill to preserve is a charter parkland so basically we have this agreement before you this is the swift but grant that we used in our committee meetings as an example that we have met with swift but to move forward ending the results of of the charter amendment that's coming. In November. Okay that it took this this is what started this is what triggered the need for the minute we actually work for us with mud for about a year year and a half trying to come up with an alternative that they would accept and we just couldn't get there so that's why we we started the process of the charter amendment. Afternoon Josh off. In afternoon. Questions about. >> The amounts of money that are. They're listed in the item, I'm looking at $550,000 from one thing and then $350,000 for another and I was just very confused about the way that was written. But in Novi but having the answers on that. Which item you're talking about the same item c a want. Michael you want same thing about that. You understand the question. The 2 different amount. This is a matching grant. So basically that is the city's portion to help leverage. The dollars us with mothers bring to the table just to go right quick quick synopsis of the grant. Back in the 50's we used to do of the ski tow ditching to help with water runoff and watershed but obviously change the hydrology of the preserve we have issues with wildlife being able to move throughout the reserve it creates a lot of environmental issues. This is a way for us to kind of remove manmade watershed items in return the property back to a more natural state. And more cars must cope. Sir. Colleagues and entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. With approval, second. Mister Cook we have a motion in second to approve the consent agenda. Yes, we do. The open machine for boating. Also members if you don't you're both on the consent agenda a secure. Let me I think the wrong button. All the all the income free. It was a practice round. Ok council members please enter your vote on the consent agenda. Check your okay buttons. The clerk of the police telling announce the vote. >> Share the motion to approve the consent agenda passes unanimously. Thank you open for him to have the cards Mister Court. >> If you wish to address City Council budgets. That Kerry won by condition, I was on the agenda. The sign up for the part on the individual pushing to see a sign that open forum sheet the only thing residents owners of properties, this is the state for their poise me speech all issues discussed the hunt must be limited 2 issues related to the city of thing is for government. If you are speaking to item on the agenda. You May only feet once during the open form when when the time comes up with a jet the order to provide an opportunity for all citizens to address Council. Each individual be given 3 minutes to speak. The first one is Greg, the afternoon. >> And here I have a special delivery for you kayakers from your fellow council members they want to wish you happy birthday overall the great that you do for our sunshine already thank you very much. Thank you thank you. >> Usually all for a happy birthday song and so we're going to do that. But you now my eye on the count of 3 to a 1, 2, 3, happy a to you thank you thank you. Courtesy us while so are a Asked the yes local bakeries, yes office in our city and they brought enough for everybody on Scare around. Thank you so much. Scruggs welcome. The Chairman Girders. Good afternoon council members mayor and deputy mayor. My name is Maria scribes that I'm the President Of the St. Petersburg branch in double acp. And I'm here to ask the support of the council. Well first of all let me do this let me thank Councilwoman Lisa Bowman for her leadership on bringing the item of the courageous 12 on the agenda as a new business item today. It was certainly well for those of us that have walked in the shoes of those 12 great man. It was certainly a fitting to be able to see this city. Take hold of that contribution particularly while one of those members that was the only living member but there's only one living remaining member, Mister Leon Jackson who is also in the audience with that today. While those gentleman took 7 and a hits in the 1960's. Those of us that came behind them in the 1980's had a somewhat easier wall because of the courage that they took to stand up on an issue that was very important to them. Many of them late in were later mentors of mine as I was entered into law enforcement and down certainly would hope that each one of the council members today, what c the significance of creating a commemorative art project that recognize the foot hole that these gentlemen made into this community. Thank you. Thank you. Afternoon this Brown Good council members and to the mayor and. >> ok my name is day-themed Brown and I've been a resident of the same care for over 25 years. I want to address the promise by the city to the ear act a memorial in the lobby of the new police station that what on of the courageous 12. Some should know in some May not know that the courageous 12 were african-american officers in the St. Petersburg Police Department who sued the city in the 60's to get equal treatment. The suit was necessary in order to bring equality to the department this suit was one on an appeal. It changed the platform policing in the city to allow the department to be as great as it is today. Without it this city would that be able to celebrate that diversity it benefits from today. As I did not grow up in the city of St. Petersburg nor in the state of Florida. I have done research on its history from african-american perspective. I did this because one would Miss The richness of the city's history. Has that story is not obvious or showcase. I now consider it a privilege to live in a city with such a rich african-american history. I live work it's than in a city with great sacrifices were made. So I can do so. I found out that the appeals court was clear in the liver it in his ruling in the case of the courageous 12. Adam Baker versus the city of St. Petersburg noting the religion in no way suggest the officers should be given pressed preferential treatment the court Hill. They deserved only what they saw and that was equality. The offices deserve a monument worthy of the sacrifices they and their families made for justice civil rights in the betterment of law enforcement. Well all officers regardless of race gender or ethnicity. They deserve what was promised. So I say to you ca so my name is Delphine Brown and I support the city of Petersburg or funding a commemorative art project so Lee honoring the courageous 12. Thank you. This felt good afternoon that afternoon. Hello I'm cheryn council members. Deputy mayor and Mayor. I am here first of all I was alerted of this agenda item and I would like to express support. For Councilwoman, I'm Lisa Wheeler Bowman's requests for funding for the art commemorative as you heard before. Honoring the courageous 12. I have to state for the record that I was alerted of this agenda item by the President Of the n double acp Miss Lory us road too asked for those of us who are into sports. Actually you know make a President In one way or the other me knowing that I would be in attendance today what I did was I went. It asked various St. Petersburg residents. Both within the African American community and outside of the African American community. Just what did they think about this. I had no doubt that I would receive an overwhelming amount of support for this particular item. So I was not surprised by that one of the things however I was surprised by was the number of people who are not aware of the history of the courageous 12. I did not expect for it to have from my stuff to have an emotional reaction to the 2. So many people not actually knowing it. Particularly because of the large the larger population of the people that I asked actually were born here. I did cover a spectrum. So I teams up to my grandparents age so I had a wide range of people that I actually targeted because I knew that they would not be present today and I wanted to not only express my support for it, but I wanted to stand as a symbol for the amount of people who are in the city who support this particular funding. So I wanted to relay that. Caught the common answer that I received from people we're either that they didn't know so it allowed me an opportunity to give them some background on this item and the courageous 12 in what they were able to do. The common response I got was wasn't those the man or what those the man who first became police officers within the city of St. Petersburg no mention of the lawsuit, no mention of you know the civil rights movement and the effect that it actually had not only here locally but at a national level. So it allowed me an opportunity again to try to educate various people which I appreciate bill it also brought to my consciousness, an awareness that although my grandparents could easily talk about it in right now I only have one living it made me highly aware that I'm that age group they're dying out. And so a lot of people you know my mom's age it May or May not have heard of them they definitely on the ones that I asked not go into great detail about that the sum the symbolic. Steps that this particular these particular men did. I didn't ahead, I'm sorry. You get the point I am here. Thanks for support and I am a symbol for a large number of people it. Thank you thank you for being here. >> The more speakers start no more speeches. Mister Yes, if I May make a a Just to put this on everyone's a radar. We will be installing a memorial in the news station. To the courageous We are currently working on the program around that installation a invitations will be going out. We obviously want thank the courageous 12. For their service and contributions to making this a better city. More diversity, a more tolerant city. And working toward spreading equity throughout the city. And we will be getting that information out to the community and the public as soon as we've got the program put together and we can announce the date. Did you want to say something about yes Scotland will This Every now I don't think I can hear myself, they cut me a. >> Chair if it's if you don't mind out like the last of the greatest well the please stand up and be recognized. Mister Jackson. Thank you so much and I did ask him if he wanted to say a few it okay if you know if it's not >> I doing hi everybody financially on Jackson and I'm one of the last surviving member the courage just to wear. The city of St. Petersburg cost more when all all of you. What you doing for the courageous tour. In 1965 we filed that lawsuit. I never dream that we would be on it like we are today. And believe me we went to a lot of adversity but the man in wearing of African American descent. To be recognized from already and so forward. But the city of St. Petersburg and I can't thank you. On the bottom of my heart of you wanting to courageous to you. And I'm the last surviving members of the greatest we have I've got no now. Had a brief the Sept. 10. You I'm 79 years old. It would be a good idea for you to start questioning me finding out more about the courageous to you. Anytime you wish for me to speak because I had to speak up I speak all the time and I'm in the process of writing a book about the courageous to wear under people and thank you from the bottom of my heart, what people like you. The courageous to you and I want to asked. Welcome to Crawford. The family that span. Office across with the leader of the pack. If it weren't for free to cross, but we would not file a lawsuit because for a profit was the one. That came up with the idea of filing a lawsuit. And I want to thank you again for what you doing for the courageous to you. Thank you for thank you. If you. I just want to Acknowledge and recognize you are sitting in the lobby together and agree to eu as welders and all citizens to come and to our facilities but I did not know who you were and I think that underscores the need to tell the story in our community. I was just looking at a picture of you today, we are young at the time of that lawsuit. But I don't have the pleasure in honor of knowing you today. As our elder and I think that you should walk through our city as a celebrity honored. For that contributions and sacrifice and commitment and trails that you placed we will do what we can to make sure that is the case is the last surviving member of the courageous 12 all young children black and white and other who live in this city should grow up knowing who you are and understanding the face and stature of a hero. So thank you for being here today. >> You look to me like you could still put a badge and belt on And that does not look I think you get our own. All right, we're catch me. Thank you so much for being here. I council members next on our agenda we're going to take the psni community work which is gee to on the agenda. The mayor and fire command staff are here so we want to get that done well we and if I could make a comment before the committee report if I May Mister George put it. Thank you. Thank you council members I. When this matter was a in front of a view all last night. I did make some comments about administration's position in I'm not supporting a the in the amendment as it was written with the concerns we had. You what you all been provided a copy of and I understand there were some issues with the copy machine but I know that they have gotten a to you is a memo that we had received late yesterday from. Craig hair. The director of ems and fire expressing the county's position on other proposed to original agreement and I think there's a couple pieces of it that are very significant first is does the county except the new language and they answer to that is a county cannot accept the language is proposed the section 4 o 2 languages been in the agreement since 97. It's the language in the 2019 agreements that have been approved by 13 other cities. And for fire districts but what's really critical Paragraph that says through the growth management proposal the county is taking the position that we will not unilaterally implement growth management. It will only implement the improvements if the city ops in and that position remains unchanged. Is the county willing to remove section 4 oh 2. Indicated no they would not be willing to see that portion of the agreement be removed either is there's many complexities related to priority dispatch. That are not related to growth management and lastly what is the county's position should this proceed without a contract if this contract. Passes as amended and the county rejects it. They indicated there are improvements and enhancements that cannot be implemented without a new agreement. Council members a commitment that I will make to you today is that I know there's concern about party dispatch and what I I said previously and I want to reiterate is a it's always been my policy that I want to look at all sides of issues, not just sides present about one side but there's another side want to look at that so that when we are making a decision or making is informed decision as we possibly can. And to date the information that I've seen has been present on one side which the peers to to to show the priority dispatch works and that there are issues if there are if there is other data that reflects contrary to that position. I would like to see that because I think that's an important piece of the decision-making process. And so my commitment to you is is that if the if you all were to move forward on the original agreement. So that we can continue to have an agreement in place with the county. We will we as a city will not implement party dispatch for at least 3 months. I want to make sure that if there's information out there that you are getting from your constituents or from anywhere else or that you've come across to your research of this issue. You have an opportunity to present it to me share with me talk about it with me so that I have a better understanding if there's a of the other side and that ultimately if the decision is made the fire chief that he would like to pursue that. I have as much information before I could say yes you can go ahead or no we're not going to go ahead for this reason. And so I am making that commitment to you all today. This will not be the type of situation where if you all. Approve the original agreement. The next week we flip the switch in party dispatch starts that will not happen. And that is my commitment to you all as we sit here today the lot the last thing I will mention is that I know that the union has expressed some concerns about the city. Moving forward with potentially with priority dispatch. This is the same union that represented loughman who has approved priority dispatch. And it's a little can I have some questions as to why they wouldn't object to Loman moving forward with with pro to dispatch, but there are objections raised to the city moving forward with that but having said that I just wanted to put that on the table before you all get into your report discussion about this. Thank you Mister Chair, you Mister Mayor Councilman Cornell chair psa night. Okay that was the discussion the contract came to get us tonight from the previous counsel 100. Concerns were raised legal drafted a new language as requested by City Council. There is a vigorous discussion of it and and it was approved in committee by 3 to one to move forward with that new language in place. And so that's where we are and I would presume we need to have Mr. Teret presume we need to have some discussion with the whole Council. In regard to that right so I went and we were ready all make the motion as was made in the committee or we could teams that motion or somebody else can make a motion. But as it stands right now it comes from committee with an approval of 3 to one from the committee. But the mayor has just you know made some point so. I would say And what I would suggest says as the foundation for that discussion a motion should be made. Regarding what occurred at the committee meeting on Sun. Council and then based on that motion and we can have a discussion about merits. Ok so the motion from the committee meeting was a 33 to one to pass on the commotion that we pass a language the new language has written by legal has approved by ps not committee by a vote of 3 to one. The only thing at stake House member for now it would be it proving the agreement with the new language is not just approved. President And that's what you meant. It's a pretty angry met with the language from psa night. That is reflected in those amendments but the action today, we need the approval of of an injury. The motion is to approve the agreement with the new language as discussed in psni. And thank you and. Pressman thank you for your offer just want to make sure I understand if we pass original proposal that there's no flipping of this which we would have 3 months to lease the benefit to that is there will be presumably. Information news articles about was spent on more people May be or will be paying attention to it now that it that's something that seems like it's happening. And that gives us 3 months 2. Here from our constituents, their concerns. 3 months of experiment in was priority dispatch and then looking at the data and then figuring ok we want to that will make a decision at that point. Not I will not authorize a opting in. Until at least 3 months have passed. That summer mongering. Thank you mayor for. Being here and for talking about. I do have to say on the outset I once again I don't like getting. Emails just before our meeting begins on on a topic like like this doesn't give City Council any is sort of opportunity to. Address what's what's in e-mail but my question for and my question is a legal question. If we've worked too. Pass this agreement. Without the changes to the language it's still an agreement a 5 year agreement correct. The only the only stipulation is is that the mayor. Commits to a 3 month delay. And implementing this but I'm City Council wouldn't be able to unwind. Revisit this agreement because agreements already been passed. >> Mister Chair packed them into one other comment just kind of in response to to your your questions. But if there is no agreement let's let's say if you all were to pass the agreement is as the motion has been made with the amended language and the county does not execute and I do not execute that we we have no agreement. The city potentially still could in that position. Go in do prior to dispatch that that wouldn't have an impact on whether we did it or not because it's still an opt-in and so I just want to make sure that's that's that that point it is clear what what and and I am not committed at this point that we would in either case do priority dispatch I I do want to have as much information as possible because we want with whatever we want to do we want to make sure we're we're looking out for the residents of this community and that they're safe. No thank you for that and I've made it clear. Beef before and I let my colleague speak for themselves, but from from my. Observation of the discussions that we've had on this issue. The City Council seems to me like. We have made it clear that we don't care for. Any changes of the way that we've been dispatching. And. You know that's that's why we are in this position that we we are today and I know work. We're coming up on a on a deadline. We're at a take it or leave that type situation which it's a Senate. In a place I don't like to be. >> I'm seeing another discussion on to share with my colleagues that weren't at the committee meeting in that are not on the psni committee that I was the I was the one negative vote in committee. And I'll just I. I'm trying to figure out what the right word is I I I'm against. I'm pretty strongly inserting. a policy making. Body into operational Especially in public safety. >> Were all. >> Very passionate very Responsive pay attention our constituents and their desires and their When it comes operational decisions and public safety. I I can't imagine having any better come and stop any better rank and file I can imagine having. Any better Fire Department in the city of Petersburg has I think the city of Petersburg is looked at as the leader. The fire profession in Pinellas County. And as goes Petersburg I think I'm a lot of others go in terms of operational decisions and I know I know from a 35,000 foot view. Doing everything we can from a regulatory standpoint to make sure that a person with a St. Petersburg fire and rescue uniform response to every single St. Petersburg call. I I get the desire to do that. But from an operational implementation standpoint. First of all we have experts who again I I I just can't imagine having better second of all especially in this world. The the real world practicalities of what happens on any given ca. But for us to overlay a policy on top of. That unit is Artie out on a call the closest unit, next is out of jurisdiction, but they're also out on the call so guess what it's the 3rd closes jurisdiction. That's going to answer that call. And that's what happens in real world as we sit here Knowles and and rains are going off in stations in having to make decisions about who and what is going to respond and I don't want to stick my fingers in that at all we've gotten to where we are because of the command staff and the firefighter professionals and emts and paramedics that we have in so I'm I'm going to ask that you consider this. To be an operational decision I you know look I'm not an expert in this field by any means, but you know. I get complaints from constituents and I bet you do too. Somebody calls you are emails you in the morning and says my car was broken into last night. Or something was vandalized were somebody Latin might hire last night I called the police. They they'd send somebody out it's been 3 hours, nobody's been here. And my response to them is look. Our Police Department is deciding what's priority. They will be there. And uh you know that is a decision for them to make about what to do how to respond to to respond with. They sent a forensic Tech today, not cent I'm not getting into that I'm just not all I try to do is convince our constituents that our public safety professionals you couldn't ask for any better. And so I'm sorry to take up. So much time explaining why I'm going to vote no again. But I I really think that we need to stay out of. I think while we make it clear that in a perfect world in a world that we could control where calls come from and when they come in. We would like a Saint Pete fire rescue uniform to answer every one of those calls. We can't do that we just can't do that given the realities of things I'm going to vote to the administration and the command steps decisions about the best way to run the Fire Department. Okay we have a motion in a second to approve the language that was approved that psni so Mister Yesterday just to be clear approving this language. Is saying that that the new language around priority dispatch will be inserted into the agreement that the marriage is to the county would likely not accept correct correct ok I just want make sure that yes vote a no vote is going back to the original contractors will make sure everybody is clear on that. You actually have the new language in the contract which is part of the backup for psa night. Ok that's been done. Ok very good. >> Mister Cook if you please open machine for boating. Council members please and your votes. Mister Kirk seeing that all council members have voted with police telling an out vote. The boat. Mister Chair, the motion to approve the the item regarding the psni motion passes 62 with council members. Curtis price, voting no. Mr. Coyle the rest of the psni report ok so that was our single topic. And I'm so with that I will move to receive in pile. Check it. We second to receive and pile the psni report was to work the woman's chest. You know punishing for voting. Thank you Mister Court police telling announce the vote. Mister Chair, the motion to receive an faa the psni report passed unanimously. Thank you Mister Court. We're going to move to d one new ordinances first reading an ordinance approving the designation of Theresa Lutheran Church as a local historic landmark. He was going to kill him places they want to set 16 point 3, 0, And we have a motion in second any discussion council members. The head of the House 100 Santa out I just I have commented that this is a really positive I had to answer, I'm sorry because I think that I never mind. I we have a motion a second Mister Court. Yes we do comes through first reading councilmember rice with the second being Cornell. Council members please any votes. Mister Kirk single council members have voted which police telling announce the vote. Should the motion to approve agenda item the one passes unanimously. Thank you. Mister Clark. Reports the 2 and the Denham to the Ajax building contract for the police station. Mister Quint Ana. It happened in May. Good afternoon Council broken 10 a city engineering department. The site and again the number 3 is uh in in order to close out the contractual portion of the project with Ajax it will enable us to up close out the project in its entirety. This is a part of this will be. Incorporated into the gmp under the 6th Amendment. With your At this point. We're here to answer any questions that the council might have. Thank you. Council members questions. Motions Mister Cornell but I I would just like to get when you have a chance it won't stop me from voting yes because I think it's a reasonable. Amount of money on a project that was well managed. But I'd like to just get a detailed list of the the project the projects that make up the about $224,000 total absolutely I can get within the ok, thank you. >> Mister Cook, we have a motion in second to approve this an amendment to the Ajax corporation contract and Police Department construction. Council members if you please of the votes. Mister Clerk seeing that all council members have voted would you please telling announce the vote. >> This is your the motion to approve agenda item the 2 passes unanimously. Chief catered to throw a red dot yesterday still have growth. Still a lot of that. Next is the sewer report. The 3. Mister Tankers leap. Let's go ahead and start with a the 3 a. This is a approving a renewal of a blanket purchase agreement with Odyssey manufacturing company for sodium hydrochloride an estimated cost annual cost. The $492,000 for a total contract cost of 1131 thousand we asked for approval move approval. Thank you. This work, we have a motion a second on the 3 a so we do. Council members of unity boats. Seeing no council members that voted Miss Clerk at the police telling announce the vote. Still the motion to approve agenda item the 3. Passes unanimously thank you Mister Clerk 83 be Mister Tankers Lee thank you Mister Chair, this is we're asking for approval of an amendment to an agreement with tlc diversified for a special extended warranty. A warranty and maintenance pond. In the amount of $250,000 for the Northeast and Northwest's largest transfer force main pump station and odor control project. What this is when when the contractor installed the force main. There were some parts of the force main where the change in elevation was different than what had been designed. And when you have a change in elevation news at the peak were workers from going up going down but what we called air release valve. And so we believe there are some points on our line that May in the future require an error least 1000 so this warrant, he puts them on notice that they are going to have to pay for their release files if necessary to install. Never prove a second Mr. Cornell so it I just want we're far. When I read it I took away that. Unlikely the wrong one. The year, but um when I read it I took away that some of the piping wasn't put in is that is that wrong. Know that not not that's not my understanding my understanding is that the piping was put in we have designed a pipe to go at certain slopes in elevations and at times they did not install it has designed that certain slope elevation is designed which can cause air to to to gather at a high point the line. And we believe that some of those high points that were not designed in but that they installed might cause that air binding and so we want to be able to go in and add what we call release valve if necessary and for them to pay for it if necessary. Okay. Who who who designed it was it known that designed no they did not design know they were just the contractor who installed it was another company. Yes, it was a it was a consulting firm that designed it and they installed it and it had an obligation I guess my question is are we sure. >> They use for our citizens because to me I know its a 3 year. Warranty. But to me it sounds like adding 13 valves that you didn't have before. Those sounds like that sounds like 13 additional locations where something could go wrong. Right and they're not going to go wrong in 3 years made a wrong in 3 years. So what they're like where they're going to be there for 50 or 60 years. Yes, that yes, they will and we actually have and air release valve maintenance program that our our staff does when they go out on a regular basis and check these valves. So I don't think the risk is is on that the risk really is if for some reason these high points that were not designed and constructed in if they do cause that air binding it can cause the system not operate properly. So we just want to make sure that if we need to add as they're released 1000 we can and we will have to pay for it. We do we have an option of a Again not meeting the worst but dry just wanted to make sure that we are we consider that I hear old all the information. Do we have an option will not will not tell them to just fix what they didn't do right. Well because and for these kind of things. When the designer makes a design assumption is making an assumption based off of the diameter of the pipe, the flows the pipe how quickly the flows are going. There's a lot of assumptions that go into the design when the system is actually operating sometimes you might find that some of this is designed assumptions don't actually pan out. And so even though we might have these high points they might not be enough to cause that air binding so after 3 years of operation we should have been operating it often enough to know whether or not we have to add that valve at that point or not if during that three-year period, we're finding are not getting the air binding at that location in it's a pretty good indication that we won't in the future. I get that part that option of after the point of the mistake. But when the state was made I mean does doesn't doesn't he'll see have an obligation to build to the lawn. It's a I mean you said they didn't build it at certain height and frightened they did certain things that were not in the design correct right. So when you're building these things underground says sometimes it's not you're not able to actually build it to the slopes that you thought you're going to be able to sometimes you May run into obstructions that you wanted to spend to be there. The sometimes you might just put it in at the slope that you weren't expecting since this is a pressurized line that slope is not as important as it would be if this is the gravity line so undergrad the line we we would have been more concerned about actually getting the slope. We wanted. This is a pressurized line. And the fact that it actually might not cause the problem is it's just better to go ahead and leave it like it is if we determine a promise cause and the easy solution is to add the air least out. Ok so my final question is for legal to Any conditions on this or did you did you obviously I'm sure you review that. >> It's really a business decision but it ultimately comes down to from my understanding of what staff can day redoing the entire project didn't really seem like a feasible option. And that to the extent that there were issues that they've identified as potential issues they would come to light within this warranty period, okay. I think it was because of that that they recommended they were certainly comfortable that the language accomplishes that protection okay, okay. Thank you Mister Chair. >> The lines that we're talking there in operation now. Yes, Sir and how long they've been in operation. But a month or so so who they were in operation. A couple 3 weeks ago when we were having 60 million gallons a Yeah city is Sir. Any indication that there's issues are no so there was this not that I'm aware of any indications that the not operate with these these the possibility that the elevation differences will cause a problem are they affected by volume or or is this a line that. On any given day on dry weather volume that 25 million gallons a day. Might have an air binding. They they are affected by how much flow goes through the system. And it which is how they are So but but because they're a pressurized system they're not going to really be affected that much by wet weather flows ok. >> In my point there is that every day is a dry weather flow whether to what they are not we're going to have at least 25 million gallons in the problem's going to show up at 25 million gallon flows then. 3 years is playing time the us says so in these situations, the problems will actually show up when you have the lower flows that's when you tend to have the air by low that you less volume that only doesn't rumors the air to go through a guest like a good kid. Okay. I thing else. No way too much more about sewers and I like that. We have a motion a second Mister Court this week to approve each 3 b. Members of the venue but on the 3 be please. Seeing that all present council members of both of Mister Clerk with police telling them out. This just a motion to approve agenda item the 3 the pass a 7 to well a cast member corn Thank you Mister Tankersley general update general up they like to ask Mr. Pallant are to come up and give that teacher thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you counsel, John Potter water resource that just giving up a quick update and dropped. >> On the charges that have occurred sense. Very detailed presentation that Clark Gable I'm on the destruction that occurred on Aug. 17th. That so just going down the list since the 17th. A discharge occurred on Aug. 26. It 2 gallons and this occurred at a private lift station. Private Lis station that served one restaurant that lift station failed and the grease trap at the restaurant overflowed and our staff went out responded, backing down that grease trap and that her taking the appropriate actions with the property owner in the restaurant owner to make sure that that system is maintained properly. Than on a a Sept. 8th, we had a 50 gallon discharge of reclaimed water broken reclaimed water line at the Southwest water reclamation facility. Then on Sept. 9th, I'm at the 8400 block of Toby road. We had a 8,600 gallons of reclaimed water from a broken the reclaimed water service line. That was a line split. At the service going irrigation customer and then on Sept. 10th at the Northwest water reclamation facility. We had a a 100 gallon discharge up of digested solid solids sludge. From one of the digester is at the Northwest facility. As Claude had mentioned, there can build up at the top of the pipe. We have old Digest ers there that our in the process of being eliminated as all of let's go to the Southwest plant. But that old pipe started to corrode at at a fitting right by where the digester was and sprung a little leak. I'm at the top of it little leak of under pressure adds up to quite a over a very short amount of time. And so we had 800 gallons of that solids sludge spill we clean that up effect truck supplied disinfected the area and put a couple ing a repair on that. Sludge line state on property. That is that our Northwest facility so as right right there by the Northwest or t a within 10 foot of the digester. >> a building know that's what I was asking at state on property. Did you know in the jungle Lake now now it's state on property. I thought is that state owned But no snow stayed on it. But yeah it stayed on the property of salience and it wasn't a really a liquid form it was making. We didn't go anywhere. And then on Sept. 11th. The 5100 block of the nation. I'll we had a discharge of 9,500 gallons or reclaimed water. I'm from a reclaim pipe failure. And then. Just yesterday on the 18th. We have 5,000 reclaimed water. At the Southwest plant. Where one of our landscape contractors that's right there along 54th put up a palm tree and. Ripped up reclaimed water. Service line that providing irrigation water to to to the landscape area. So that the air gets contract but that line and result in a 5,000 gallon discharge reclaim. That that's the sum total of up to discharge is that have happened. Cent since clots a detailed report on the fence from 70. Thank you much An airy. Thank you. I don't know if this would be for huge honor for you club. I was at a neighborhood Association meeting on Tue. Night and it was the edge more neighborhood. And apparently we're doing some smoke testing. And in that area in some said that their toilets were some of their toilets were bubbling up. Kind of review for for us. How do we notify residents that smoke testing is being done and some of the ramifications that that May have absolutely absolutely. So we kind of multimedia approach to notifying residents were never smoked testing is occurring if. It is I'm being done by city staff The city system. What we start with is identifying the area and then a week to 2 weeks before the smoke testing is going to will taken place door hangers on all of the residents and businesses in the area the smoke testing is planned take place, we'll send that Both to our code enforcement group and to our our marketing Nina and her group get a notification will then take that notification will put it out on next door to the specific That's going to be impacted by the smoke testing. So that usually happens within a week to 2 weeks before. Smoke testing occurs. And then when the smoke testing is occurring. It's it's. Kind of an interim process you block off one Manhole and block off the other sewer manhole with a plug. And you will put in a blow around of anybody seen how smoke a cigarette butts, a blow like a giant fan. And it and it Burns and oil that goes in there and creates the smoke. And that smoke pressure rises the system so that fans in their pressurizing the system and it can. Sometimes if you do not have correct vents or a a p trap. In in your planning. It can bubble through through the plumbing fixtures if you're House is not then it correctly so we what typically. Be there. I'm in the area when this is occurring or will get a call afterwards we will going we call if there's any That happens when this will get them cleaned up over for them to It is a very rare. Occurrence when this happens it's usually occurs when. Houses plumbed incorrectly. We have we do everything we can to to mitigate the situation. We can't go back and repair their their plumbing. We try and clean it up as as best we can, but this is a and necessary part of identifying the defects in the system. And so well we we do our best. Correct one issues happen. But they they do happen. All right well, thank you thank you for the explanation councilmember Cornell thank you Mister Chair and and John Mica is incorrect. But there's also there's no testing and there's also a line cleaning with. 2 separate processes that they could also have some of the same offense. >> Possibly to a lesser degree I mean there that all of all of the work that we do on the sewer system. Has the potential to result and a possible backup at a a business or residence, the whining that we do the that we do the smoke testing that we do. That's why we work so hard. You know to try and the President's they're going to be impacted by this maintenance work that's why we have the door hangers we go out and try and knock on every door we we we do the next door. And we try to work with our contractors to to do everything that we can to mitigate the impacts from this this maintenance activities. So so one of the things and just fought for for you know for what it's worth. One of the issues that might be helpful. I think to talk to our public about like I don't know like if I turn on the water in Iran tonight. All that during the time it rains. Plus under goes away. I don't I don't have any reason to think why plumbing is wrong. Rates until until from that happens it is backing up and then well there's a problem. One of the things that might be helpful is on to to tell maybe clarify a little bit of what you said maybe put something down that we can share with folks because some Realtors but I know at least one that I know has started when they do inspections without us requiring it or forcing it when they do inspections, they request to They're inspector also look at the private lot of rules and they're doing that because they become more educated about it and they think that's a good idea and they're doing it completely voluntarily. So we have more information people might store light like when I had a plumber on my taken to check and make sure that that you know this is connected right around plunder 8. So if you have any thoughts on that I don't know if that's and I we have lots of thoughts on that, but I'm not. Really ready to share them right now I'd like to organize a little bit and get with our marketing department. I think we could really come up with a strategy, especially as we start talking about you know. A requirement to to have some sort of private lateral ordinance on this part of a consent order I think all of that communication needs to be. The great. Thank you thank you Mr. And the House where does my a I have 3 and a half months left. Updated ordinance on grease traps and that is right after the private letter or we haven't had a draft to have a draft right now that I'm revealing. >> So all we're very lucky and privileged actually that with us today, the county ministry Barry Burton wants to talk to us about transportation funding opportunities, he's a busy guy so we're going to we're going to let him cut line, wow and go out of alphabetical order. >> I appreciate that to happen. Thank you, thanks. Why I'm proud to be back on. >> Barbour gets bail set up here for on the one colleagues you want. So what I come down to talk about the day was transportation and really this is where I've been kind of a fact-finding mission right now and let me explain a little background. You know are a lot of the stuff that I want to present you've seen if you've been tracking watching for Pinellas and some of their activities looking at the long range plans. Look in some of the challenges that we face. So we what really come about as a as a series of things that said. We've got some issues we have to start looking at the sun that come out of for Pinellas and so we come together between psta forward Pinellas and us to say to start putting that offer a community conversation because well as what we saw it's going to be here before you know we you know we do have time. So one of this is what come out of our original presentation currently these the county's portion of the gas tax on our transportation trust fund that's what we used to maintain our roads, our rights away things like that. It's currently split 60% County 40% cities. I'm sure if you put up a chart for what you're using your your money for it would look some early and that at some point we're going to be spending more than we're taking we're spending more were taken in our reserves are going to be gone that's all we have an issue that we have to address that occurs in about 2022. But what you also saw earlier this year with psta say we have a problem where we're spending our reserves and they were looking at service cuts and they were looking within the limited service that they have what options they have to address what will be a negative situation, a deficit situation by 2022. So it was kind of those factors that drove us to say, let's let's really start planning talking about options and how would we address it, but what we also really said is are we looking to put a band-aid on this and keep status quo and keep our roads gone and the buses going as is or is a real need to do more. And that's how this conversation kind of come about. We did a survey of our You know about everything I'm sure like you do, and you know this a word. Whatever Barber calls it. But each time each time resident says that the work gets bigger. Well you can see what our resident said traffic is the number one concern on on the minds in all of our residents. And what we really come around as we are dealing with so many other issues jobs. Housing that's affordable workforce. Training, safe travels and then our infrastructure our roads. It and we said transportation such such a key to all of them. You know as as you know, I've been here 11 months now, and one of the things I get is a good a good perspective on things because I have nothing that you know based on. So I've talked to our businesses one thing our businesses told us very clearly is workforce is the number one driver that's impacting them. That said we've got positions that we simply cannot bill and so then I go to St. Petersburg college she shows I can get people into the class. If I can get him into the class. I've got a job for him. All right and then turn you know we we know that. Of the congestion on our roads and stuff so we started looking at this as transportation be in the hub to get that would impact so many of the factors and that we're dealing with within our local economy. So we kind of bullet down into a kind of we said oh we can only do so much. But let's look at maybe a pressing the Senate and a combination of a few things one reducing road congestion 2 we know we can but we need to make our transportation system safer and want to get into that when we get into the slot and 3. Let's really look at enhancing our transit services rather than just continuing the status quo. So if we look at reducing road. Congestion we're we're very fortunate. You know the county to have advanced traffic management systems atms system. There's a not actually not a lot of counties that have a build-out system like that and while you're at what that's really talk about the time the lights you have a corridor when you you know start with a green everything flows right you can get greens all the way through I have not seen that all right, but supposedly that's the way it's supposed to work. I actually had the system are at before it's very complicated here because you got a lot of traffic going both ways North and South East West. And so it's not as easy as it sounds, but we haven't thought about the system we've been able to to improve a bite to it with 267 miles. Collectors are turtles but there's another 60 miles that are undone but more more importantly than that we spent about $4 million managing that you know in the county right now. But we're going to a new face that was you know the older phase, older technologies there's a lot more that we can do with the system to have better throughput of our roads. There's a better technology that has cameras to where they adjust the time the lights based on the volume and speed of traffic. They ping phones and they make those adjustments are all kinds of newer technology that allows you to to actually get more throughput out of our current system. That's an area we need to be looking at let's make the most out of our existing roads. And that's also build out that 60 miles that we've been I'm unable to afford to do at this point. But again you can reduce your travel times down by an estimated 15%. By completing out this network. We also know that we need to reduce road. Congestion now I've I put a hypothetical map up here these that this is where we have data we're currently working with your staff now but to build this out we didn't have a municipal data so this map this kind of in progress but we know where we take an intersection put Dole turns all the different things on one we reduce congestion and 2 we make the intersection safer. And so we need to look at those areas where we haven't been able to fund those in the past and complete that transportation system. Next we really went to so that was really about making them the most of our roads next we looked at looking at our transportation transportation system being safer. We have way too many crashes most of those occur where we have turning movement. One we've got to bundle up trail or we have several intersections overpasses that are not in so they're at great crossings you're kind of crossing 6 lanes of traffic that Sun say and as a result we have we have more crashes there's many there's many places where we can put those overpasses and to complete to make that a safer route. But we're really focusing on here is on the enhanced traffic control devices. There's a lot of places where we can put in traffic control devices that would again make that so much safer for pedestrians and that crossing safer and I use the example where up where you we've got an intersection where we put it that if you go up to it and there's people in the cross walk. Well then you get a no right turn. There's a signal that to prevent you from turning right. Well when we when you make a turning movement definitely have most of our craft that you're busy you're looking at 6 lanes of traffic where people are coming in missed them the pedestrian or the bicyclist so there's a lot of things that we can do throughout the county to make our roads safer. Next we'll focus in on street lights a longer make major corridors here we we know that we can reduce crashes a nighttime crashes by about 30% simply by making sure we light our streets where they're missing. We took the Loman area for instance and just in a heat map of where we have our crashes or nighttime crashes. And it coincides with where we don't have Street lights. It's a simple same area. We you know you can see the other part and that's not where the crashes are where Street lights. So we know we can make our roads safer. And again and are areas that we have primary jurisdiction all we have over a 100 miles of an lit. Streets and and that that needs to be a focus we need to make work in just over a build-out County were can just a county. We need to complete the street lights to make our roads safer. And then the final think. Be careful because I got a whole bunch of people we on me because their streets have more light well, their new there's always an unintended consequence and there's newer technologies a human with how we put them and she came out that sorry. And and the last thing we need we need to fill sidewalk gaps in on this is a no-brainer and I had an example recently where a cross country team least a high school they run down in our County Street. There's no sidewalks well that's fine they stay to the edge and people go around just walk when will we have flooding what happens and how it goes out halfway into the street now you got that same group going down and in a dodgem cars and everything else we we really need to complete the sidewalk gaps every city and the county we have a long list of areas we want to do we simply haven't been able to have the funny to be able to close those gaps. This is an area we need complete as part of looking at our transportation system. But the other piece that we really want to look at is making sure we have opportunities for people to get around regardless of how they are going they should be able to go and this really goes to an equity issue and and it goes to an access issue. We know that as I talked about a racially people need to be able to get to jobs. They need to be able to get the job training they need to be able to get to their home. This is I think he to make a must overall strong economy. What we started looking at is you know water we trust what areas are we would what benefit every connected in what corridors could be due to connected and then how would we prioritize that key to all this is I think it's like with anything we we have so much money we've got to decide how we do that how much money we're going to ask voters for or you know whatever we decide to do here. So we went and we did a prioritized approach, there's actually 9 primary course that we can do for enhanced transit service. We focused in on And again back to that that's an area of focus there could be more we have some others in mind but we said, let's look at where are. Job training opportunities are we looked at employment densities opportunity zones workforce, we looked at population densities minority in low income areas. We look to where is your car households are and then we look at where we already invested in housing that's affordable and that largely was over commercial areas where the value of the building or the value of