Folsom City Council Regular Meeting

>> I'm going to reconvene the special meeting of the city council. Any final action to report MR. City attorney? >> good evening, MR. Mayor. No final action. >> we'll adjourn the special meeting and call to order the regular meeting of the folsom city council for tuesday, JULY 13, 2021. Will the clerk call the roll. >> council members chalmcherla. Here. Howell here. Rodriguez here. Aquino. Here. >> please stand to join me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. One nation under GOD with liberty and justice for all. >> are there any agenda updates. >> one update. Item 11 has presented information available to the council and on the back table. >> we start every meeting off with business from the floor. This is an opportunity to have any member of the public speak on topics not on the agenda. If there is anybody that would like to bring something up, now is the time to come to the podium. Okay. We'll move on to the consent calendar. Before I do that, just wanted to point out that we have decided to resume normal places on the dais here, having been vaccinated and feeling comfortable that most of covid is behind us. Please call the first item. >> the next item is the consent calendar. You have no requests to pull items at this time. >> I'd like to pull up 3, 4, and 5. Really quick questions that I did not get a chance to call staff over. These are questions for staff. >> are there any other requests? >> I move on to 6 and 7. >> second. >> we have a motion to second. >> council members chalmcherla, yes. Howell yes. Rodriguez. Yes. And aquino. Yes. >> resolution 101662. Sorry, I meant to call you earlier today and got tied up. >> good evening. Environmental water resources director. We did have to do repairs to the rabo bridge a year or two ago. There were areas that did have cold tar lining inside a potable pipe, which is why we haven't put that pipe back into service and why we're rehabing more of that pipe than originally thought. >> that shouldn't have been there in the first place. I read it twice. Okay. You know why. >> yes. >> okay. We're going to lose too much volume with any kind of lining? >> yes. It would probably shrink it down to 16 inch and I believe it is 21 right now. >> that should have been probably a larger diameter in the first place and should have been mortar lined. Okay. >> we were shocked when we found it. >> I will move resolution 10662. >> I'll second. >> call the roll. >> council member chalmcherla, yes. Howell, yes. Aquino yes. And kozlowski. Yes. >> this has nothing to do with the fire department, on 4 and 5. Steve, my question to you is why do we have that waiver of bid? These are professional services. There is no reason to have -- in fact, I'm just concerned because I brought this question up I don't know how many time in the last 23 years. These are professional services. we are not required to bid for them. We are precluded from bidding for professional services by state law. I don't see the reason for having the waiver bid attached to this. It's misleading to the public thinking that we are putting these services out to bid when we do not put services out to bid for attorneys, for engineers, for cpa's, for medical, for any of those things that require professional licenses. I would recommend in the future that we not make a reference to that. >> I would not -- I do not disagree with you, council member howell. The only response I have to offer to you, MR. Mayor and members of the city council is this is a belt and suspender -- which is an upstanding director. It is not in any way, shape or form any attempt to mislead the public. He's trying to be more cautious. >> okay. But if anything, I think that it does because then there are people that think wait a minute, that's supposed to go out to bid. Not people with professional licenses. They understand that. But I don't want other people thinking, wait a minute, they're somehow hiding the ball here. You cannot do bids on these kind of projects. in the future, I think we shouldn't even make a reference to it. >> I don't disagree with you at all. >> in which case I'll move resolution 10664 and 10665. >> second. >> please the clerk will call the roll. >> chalmcherla yes. Howell yes. Aquino yes. And kozlowski. Yes. >> the next item. >> the one public hearing this evening, resolution 10666, approving the final engineers report confirming diagram and assessments for maintains and service of improvements within the city of folsom landscaping and lighting districts as identified on the agenda. >> good evening. >> good evening, MR. Mayor, members of city council. My name is zachary paris, the landscape manager here in the city of folsom. Before you is the final report for fiscal years 21-22 that encompasses landscaping districts within the city of folsom. The final report presented is identical to the preliminary report brought before you guys on MAY 11, our meeting earlier this year. The assessments proposed this year are the same as the ones we had last year with the exception of three districts utilizing their C.P.I. Those are willow creek number 2, broad stone 4 and prospect ridge. Beyond those districts we had nine other districts that had C.P.I.'s built into them that we did not use. Some of the notable projects will be finishing the renovation of a few of the moment signs for willow creek estates event. We're going to be doing tree planting projects in broad stone 4 and planting replaymates in the ridge. We'll be doing retro fits as well as ongoing tree inventory work. Lastly we'll be continuing to focus on water efficient irrigations as well as utilization of drought tolerant plant material. That pretty much concludes my presentation for this evening. We have our assessment engineer on the line if there are questions for our consultant. >> any questions for MR. Paris? Okay. Hearing none I'll open the public comment. Is there anybody that would like to speak on this item? >> you have no requests to speak on this item. >> okay. Bring it back to the council. Is there any final commentary anybody would like to make on this one. Otherwise I will entertain a motion. >> don't we have to close the public hearing first. >> the public hearing is open. Is anybody in the audience found it in their heart that they want to come tell us something about this? >> I'll move resolution 10666. >> second it. >> we have a motion and a second. The clerk will call the roll. >> catch yes. Howell yes. Rodriguez yes. Aquino yes. And kozlowski yes. >> that takes you to item number 9, ordinance number 1315, an ordinance repealing and reenacting chapter 13.22 of the folsom municipal code pertaining to water system cross connection control. This will be introduction and first reading of the ordinance. >> hello again, sir. >> good evening mayor kozlowski and members of the council. Environmental and water resources director. I've got a quick couple of slides on this ordinance mosques. I want to give back grand grand -- background. Cross connection control is identified in the california safe drinking water act. This was instituted in 1987 and again revised in 2002. Assembly bells 1671 and 1180 passed in 2017 authorized state water resources control board to identify what cross control connection is required for in the state of california. And so the state board is currently developing what they call a cross connection control policy handbook which will be used throughout the state of california. But that is the party now that oversees cross control connection in the state of california. What is cross connection? It's basically an interconnection or a disconnection between a potable water supply source and nonpottable source. It separates the private system versus the public system. The back flow is something that actually sounds like it is named, flow that goes in the opposite direction which we do not want to occur in our potable water system. This can occur anywhere in the distribution system. It can include any contaminants or pollutants that are on the customer side or private side. These are pictures of what you might see if you're driving around town. Some, the top picture is something on a larger commercial building. You might see the one on the bottom that's specific to maybe an irrigation service that you might find at a park or in a landscape area. That's what these look like as you're going around town. If you see these, that's what we're talking about. And then we are required to have a cross connection control program which we currently do, and it is identified in the current ordinance as it's previously written. We're not changing anything in the program itself. These are just the items that a cross control connection program must include. You can do that as a water agency or you can hire that out to a state agency or public health agency that would do that for you. We have the program in house. We have the staff in house to be able to do this. Basically we adopt the rules and regulations within the ordinance. We identify what any potential cross control connection hazards MAY be within the distribution system. We have a person or a staff that's certified, which we have, I believe at least two sert -- certified in cross connection control and others that are testing or getting certifications to have that license as well. Establishing the procedures for back flow testing and maintaining the records locations, the test and any repairs made to these devices within the distribution system. So the main updates in 13.2 of the folsom municipal code is correcting the agency name from california department of public health to the state water resources control board division or drinking water. We're making that change throughout. But we are including certain single-family residential requirements for the installation of back flow device that were not all currently there. I haven't seen this in the city of folsom. If for some reason somebody did have a well connected to their property we don't want the potential for well water that's untreated coming back into our system. Any waste water pumps -- >> I know there were properties on albees lane that were claimed to be operating on wells. Specifically jack kemp's former house. >> I have it on good authority that is no longer the case. >> jack used to say it's a well. I was like it's directionally drilled into the lake, jack. >> if anybody has potable water pumps in some cases with the new fire flow requirements for single family residential homes above a certain size, in some instances there's not enough system pressure to provide for the spring letter system so -- sprinkler system. obviously we don't want anything potentially coming back into our system. In those locations we added that which wasn't included. Obviously if somebody has a waste water pump at their house to get flow from their waste water collection system into the city system, we obviously don't want any homeowners doing their own plumbing that don't necessarily know that they shouldn't plum that into the potable system. We just are being extra cautious there. The last item -- >> it happened in toronto with the reclaim water system. >> yes. The last item is a submission of the test results. Currently the tag on the right is placed on all the devices. The testers physically have to come into, it was the water treatment plant. Now it's city hall to physically pick up the tags and go out and put the tags on all the locations. We have now an online portal that allows our staff and the testers to go in, submit test results and identify locations and see everything associated with that specific device. We're adding that as a way where our testers can input that information as well as our staff having access to all that information without having to go visit every single device. Then there's minor grammatical and spelling changes. That's what this consists of. Tonight is the first reading and inter -- introduction. I'll take questions or feedback. >> questions from the council? >> I don't have any questions. >> it's a comment. Thank you for using the technology. Thank you. >> good job. >> I don't think there are any questions. This one, we don't need to take action right now. It's going to come back. >> need a motion to introduce. >> public comment? No. I'll entertain a motion to accept the first reading. >> moved. >> second. >> we have a motion and second. The clerk will call the roll. >> council member chalmcherla yes. Howell yes. Rodriguez yes. Aquino yes. And kozlowski yes. >> next item is item number 10 consideration of fiscal year 21-22, funding allocation for homelessness support and direction to staff on expenditure of funds. >> good evening everyone. The item before you is to seek your direction as to how best use the $25,000 additional line-item for issues related to homelessness that was included in the city's budget for the fiscal year that just began on JULY 1. The item was a place holder because I heard from each of you in different ways throughout the budget planning process that this was an area of concern for you. But I did not yet obtain clear consensus or direction as to how to best use the funds. I do want to make very clear to everyone that's assembled here, and I think the city council is very clear on this point that we spend as a city far more than just this $25,000 line-item on issues related to homelessness currently. This is just an additional. Last fiscal year alone we spent close to $900,000 on issues related to this concern. Although this $25,000 amount is relatively small, we as staff do seek to be as intentional as possible in deploying these precious funds to the highest and best use possible as determined by the city council tonight. I know that we have some speakers who are going to come before you tonight, including some representing organizations that are doing the hard work every day in the trenches in the community on this issue. Thank you for being here and thank you for serving. I know that some stakeholders have already also e-mailed all of you proposals as to the potential use of the funds. In terms of city staff's perspective, we are not wed to any one direction. Areas of need that I would point to as a city are having a fund of approximately $5,000 available for use at the discretion of the police chief and/or the city manager, myself, to help bridge those experiencing homelessness to services or housing, including things like paying for overnight hotel stays, travel vouchers or emergency needs that might come up. We also think $5,000 to help augment a pilot incentive program already in place in the police department to encourage those in encampments to keep their areas clean. Finally, it occurred to us that it would be helpful to have about $1500 or so to provide a budget for our cooling center which we host in the library which to date have been used in large part by those experiencing homelessness. Right now opening that center, we are drawing on a tiny budget line-item in our library's budget and we're going to exhaust that pretty quickly if we continue to staff t. It would be helpful to have money set aside for that purpose. I do have our police chief, our C.F.O., and scott young from sacramento self help housing, the organization that provides us with a homelessness navigator. They are here tonight for any questions that might come up. I have laurie easterwood, who is our library director who I recently asked to also take on the responsibility of serving as the city's homelessness liaison. With that I'll turn it back over to you. >> thank you very much. Does anybody have any questions from the council just about what we're doing or what we're endeavoring to do? Then maybe we go to public comment. >> I have a question. I have a question about -- well, one, my comment about the center. It is a center for everyone. That was made very clear to me at the beginning. I think to ask for $1,500 out of that $25,000 doesn't seem right when the cooling center is not just for homeless. It's for everyone. The other one is the $5,000 to augment incentive program. How did that come about? >> again I want to emphasize these are just suggestions from the city perspective. I'm not saying spend the money that way. I'm saying these are things that came up with my comment with the chief and others. >> good evening, MR. Mayor. Rick hillman, your police chief. About those incentive programs, we learned from other agencies that one of the things that some agency in our region are trying is to use incentives to offer to homeless individuals to help keep areas clean. So especially during the pandemic when we could not abate camps, we offered incentives to individuals if they were to keep their areas clean. Those incentives that we looked at, we started with devices that were solar-powered batteries because we see that they often need something to power up their cell phones. We offered solar power batteries to do that. We took the money, we took $5,000 out of a police asset forfeiture fund to get the program going. And then we're talking to those individuals in our community that are experiencing homelessness to see what other types of incentives we can help provide them for doing things that will keep the community nicer and their areas nicer because that's one of the biggest complaints that we get interest others, is that the areas that they're in is just pretty bad. >> what is the success rate at the incentive program? >> I was going to try to meet with sergeant liah who runs our community crime suppression unit and deals a lot with the homeless but he's on vacation. He had the nerve to do that. He's been on vacation for the past week or so. He's not due back until, I believe, thursday. I haven't been able to talk to him directly as to exact numbers, but I have spoken with him about it in the past. He said it's been successful for those times that he's offered it, where he says he's very cautious with it and just doesn't give the devices out because he wants to have meaning to those things. But when he has used it, he said it's been successful. >> the incentive, is it a gift card or what is the incentive? >> for us, we just bought the solar powered batteries. Other agencies are using gift cards. We thought of some other things, maybe gift cards to some businesses. We want to talk to the businesses and make sure it's okay with them. We thought of pet bowls for feeding, giving water, leashes, that type of thing, something that individuals that are experiencing homelessness could say, yeah, I want this and basically give them a menu of if you take care of your area, this is what you will get in return for that. >> when you say take care of your area, does that mean that you stay within the parameters of your tent or does it mean no garbage or does it mean -- like what is the guidelines to be able to say this person qualifies for incentive? >> it is just, we'll go there and talk to them about something. It MAY be a trash pile that we want them to pick up and we'll bring garbage cans over. If you can do this over the next couple of days, we'll be back and that might be the incentive. Another incentive might just be that we received a report of a dog running loose from the site. Leash up your pet. That could be an incentive. >> okay. >> we often find the individuals are looking for power, and that's why we chose those batteries because we found them at our library, at our police station and other places where there's outdoor power. >> thank you. >> other questions, yk? >> no, good, chief. Thank you. For the chief I'm good. >> well, then, other questions in general. >> in general. Recommendations from city manager, I know we put a disclaimer that city is already spending close to $900,000 on homeless and associated activities. This $25,000 is first time we are bringing to directly impact homelessness. Direct not indirect of 900,000. I highly recommend this should be directly going to them for them. That is a comment I want to make. >> kerri questions? >> no I do not. >> sarah? Why don't we do public comment. >> okay. You have several requests to speak tonight first request from jean schuman and heather riley and beth croteau have yielded their time to jean. Jean come on down give you extra time. >> good evening. >> good evening, council, jean shoeman here and my daughter nicole. >> good evening nicole shoeman. >> jean, could you get a bit closer to the mic or lean it toward you? >> is that better? >> yes. >> okay. Who would have thought that a cup of coffee at star diagnosis bucks and three-day conference would create folsom alliance for the unhoused. During these meetings we talked about what the problems facing us regarding homelessness were and if you look at the slide there, folsom's unhoused population is growing daily and lack of affordable housing. City appointed homeless navigator is on person to serve population of 100 plus, folsom lacks necessary services to help unhoused community members struggling with mental health and addiction issues, few opportunities for job skills training and life skills to help these individuals out of homelessness. Failure to address these issues affects the quality of life for housed and unhoused. Who are we? An umbrella is lay partnership joined together to assist in working with and prevention of homelessness for the folsom community members. If you read the list, these are all of the people that were involved in this three-day conference, we have finally agreed to work together and see what we can do. Scott young, made a comment at one of our meetings, said no other city has this kind of support. We discussed what everybody brings to the table. If you look at the list here, this, mind you disclaimer is, this is only a small portion of what each of us does bring to the table. So this is, we have working with powerhouse ministry, heart of folsom, jake adjourny home, has hope, these are the non profits. This is nicole's portion, what she is developing. >> so I'm kind of a techie here and I'm -- I enjoy doing condensing of things and we discussed at these meetings that we felt like we were all working in silos. meaning that no one knew what the other person was doing, right hand left hand, both separate from each other. There was a lot of overlap and a lot of miscommunication when certain individuals might have been cared for and somebody is handling that. So, rather than using program that is proprietary or paid for, like most of the systems that are being used by our police force or our other non profits, we are going to be using an open source tremendouslyo serving as virtual navigator and using this, this is a brief example when we were getting started allows us to document the various non profits, what they offer, services, contact information, and then we can document our folsom residents, folsom non residents, those that are here permanently, those just passing by and on each of those cards for example, ira, top one there, you will hear about ira soon but any information that would be necessary to understand ira as an individual what he is doing, disposition, things that the police use as identifiers that would be safe and no violations. But it is an all one board allows us to have resources for each member, medical, mental health, rehab, you name it and just get all of our resources together so there is an open line of communication amongst all of the non profits. So we continue to work together. >> and so to preface this, one of the biggest problems is that we all have different specialties. And what was happening is we were like double booking and overworking and you know, who is where, so we finally found out what everybody is good at and we have divided that down. We have people that can locate them, people that can talk to them, people that can get them housing, people that can do various things. That is why we established this so that all of us entities in this alliance are able to go in here and check and see what is going on with a specific person. The second solution that we came up with was the mobile day center. Mobile day center, we realized that the folks could go to powerhouse for basic daily needs we realized that we had an issue getting folks to service for treatment, assessments and other needs. So jake's journey home opted to finance a mobile day center for folsom. There will be a group of us going around, certified in first aid, have narcan training, all of the basics that we need. Will be equipped with compute soars that we are able to access on-line necessary ties that we need, mental health, drug and alcohol treatment, transitional housing and this is incorporating all of our non profits in this. So that is for the mobile day center. It allows us to do assessments with these people and get them into for long-term support. So, this is I he ra. A little background on ira. I met him at feeding fellows on thursday evenings. Ira, an angry old guy sitting there try to talk to him and he didn't want to talk and one evening he took his jacket off and help wings, navying withs on his arm. I went up to him and said you are a vet. He said yeah. I said, so we sat down and talked. And since then, we have learned that he has been as you can see, he says my story is powerful. This is after he has been in treatment. He is now an in patient. He will come back to folsom, go into transitional housing but it will not stop there. Wrap around services for these people. It is not enough just to get them clean and sober we have to change their life path and life path is changed by getting him into in-patient then bringing him back, in transitional housing, will still go to day treatment and still go to mental health and get him in job skills he wants to become a drug and alcohol councillor. Through the mobile day center we will bring him, sign him up and get him into a certificate program so he can do that. I would like y'all to take a moment to read these things. These are things he texted myself and heather and beth. Take a moment in silence to read that. It is really powerful. So, today, we had another gentleman go into in-patient. Same place as ira. And ira said I get to be a mentor before I leave. He is going to help MR. Ronning over all of the hurdles. And MR. Ron has been on the streets for a very long time. And now he is going to this path and he is finally seeing that there is you know, light at the end of this tunnel. So this is our proposal to the council. From the alliance. I know that there is other proposals and that is -- those are gooded to have. Alliance together, we sat all of husband sat down 5,000 towards mobile day center to equip with it the computers and all of the needs that we need in there. 5,000 to support folsom police department for emergency funds as has already been stated. And then 15,000 we felt for heart of folsom to assist with transitional housing and permanent housing to help to fund that. Because the real problem is that once you take all of these people and the people we are dealing with are folsom residents, they just don't have a residence. And getting them clean and sober is one part of it, but when you bring them back, you can't put them back on the streets. We have to have a place to put these people and the way to do it is to get housing, some form of housing or some form of property where they can become housed and train them and educate them and get them the mental health, wrap around services so that they can become housed and change their life path. Otherwise we are throwing so much money, so much money in to nothing. it really, a bottomless pit until you start to get at root cause and the root sauce changing their life path. That's it. >> for correction I did not have a conversation when it came down to how they were going to allot it. I just said I did not want funds used for down payment on people's apartments or homes. And then also at one of the conversations, at a previous council meeting, there was a sergeant to give input on -- and he had -- weighed heavily in on this proposal. >> he felt that we were talking about you knee, the gas and the driving around and the equipment. I mean right now I bring a computer and hot spot in my phone, business phone and we sit out there with these guys. But to have a mobile day centre where we can go into the back end of the park or go into these places and bring them in and get them taken care of. The sergeant felt that 5,000 was a good amount to take care of that because we are figuring all of the expenses and felt that 5,000 for supporting their emergency needs out in the field was good. So we all came up with this together. I appreciate your time. And if there are any questions, otherwise thank you for listening and that's it. >> turn my mic back on. I have a question, if you could back up in your slides to the five member groups or agencies, theyed that just -- i personally am very familiar with powerhouse and with hart maybe jump forward to jake's journey home and has hope. And take a minute and walk us through the key part of this blanket of services that you are talking about, that they are providing? >> so, so first we have hart who does housing specialty and powerhouse does drop-in day center that is their specialty. My specialty is working with my friends beth and heather and we go out to these people physically. And what we do is providing wrap around service where we get them assessed, we make appointments for assessments for mental health and in treatment and that kind of thing. So we do all of that legwork, that we don't have the hoops to jump through, that county or say sac self help, they have to go through a lot to get done what -- I mean I'm successful in like three days I have a guy in patient. Last week he needed physical, tb test, made calls assessment happened he didn't have a phone. I had to go out to find him, we had assessment. That is what we do, get them into the in-patient and while they are there we are doing background of getting transitional to make sure that they are in-patient, outpatient and that kind of thing. >> the super short answer is jeanne and nicole are jake's journey home. >> I knew that part. I wanted to hear the story. >> I'm just saying, I don't want to lead in and clothe unhoused people the rest of my life. I want to see their life path change so they can be productive people. >> fantastic. >> that is my goal. And then has hope heather would have to speak to that, that is her non profit. She is the lady in the bush and she knows all of these people. She is the only reason why any of us can find these people. I can find them now, she taught me well. But I'm telling you, she is our go-to. >> fantastic. Thanks very much for this. Does anybody else have any questions. Okay, great. Thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. Other requests to speak? >> yes, the next request is from jan ingraham and jan will be -- john I'm sorry, by MS. Kelly. >> come on down jan. >> make it jan. >> call me whatever you want. Hello. >> good evening. >> good evening, I'm john ingram director of community care at powerhouse ministries, powerhouse has been working with the under resourced and unhoused members of our community for the last 29 years in folsom, next year is our 30th anniversary. Women and children's center has success rate of 91% through our case management and focus on prevention and care. So we are currently hosting the only drop-in center in folsom, focus on triage referrals and medical. Hub for organizations including hart and sshh. In 2019 saw 151 unique unhoused individuals, in 2020 went to 172. And in 2021 we have already seen 121 unique unhoused individuals. In 2020 that looks like 1117 instances of care. For them coming into our offers and this year we have been visited close to 700 times. The unhoused residents of folsom are coming to our drop-in center, have volunteers working in case management with these funds we can increase efficacy. We are strategic in what we offer and how often we duplicate a resource, working hard not to contribute to increasing homelessness camps in folsom and asking for 25,000 to put towards part time case management position at powerhouse. Why is case managment the best use of funds and investment back into folsom? Because we assess each person, track, and follow through the resources. We have federal funding already. In place to provide housing, hotels and food. Assistance with mental health and addiction our unhoused need a level of follow-up which we can provide through our resources. Organizations and individuals are trying this on their own, but under the leadership of powerhouse, can have cohesive and successful management over client's cases. Funded from churches in folsom, civic organization and private donors, board members are strong civic leaders in the community, over 1,000 volunteers work with us each year. Not a small organization but we are robust and strong. We have the space, capacity, reputation, knowledge and skills to make a significant impact towards homelessness in folsom. Thank you. >> questions for john? I have one. >> yes. >> how does your experience and sort of expertise in case management intake and guiding people to services differ from the presentation that we just heard in terms of what -- you are here and also part of this other presentation. So how do you -- what are you actually asking for? Because we have a request from powerhouse ministries as part of the group and you're asking us. >> we as powerhouse. >> entirety. >> we are playing that hart will come up and give their owns a well. >> okay. >> we are part of alliance but we have our own goals and organization to work towards as alliance member, I'm an alliance member we also came up with a separate one that I think is worthwhile. I think with case management, I can not speak necessarily to how jeanne does case management, alliance is new for me, I will not speak on her behalf. I think with us we focus on care and prevention and we have a long history of doing that with success and so we found that we are not just looking for quick fixes. we might have to meet an immediate need to gain trust, to gain the ability for things to work but we have trust and reputation of a lot of members of folsom and so we also just kind of walk through them with that process. >> okay. You realize the unusual position you have put us all in to try to understand how to distinguish between what services you would provide as part of the alliance, that was just described and what you would do independently. >> yes, I would say big difference between the last proposal and this one is like that is like mobile day center which is we are brick and mortar and we have a bit more capacity within our space to have resources on-site. Not saying they don't offer resources or anything like that. Not trying to speak -- >> I'm not trying to -- >> I thought jeanne would be less awkward for me and more awkward for her jeanne got put first things elaine. >> no matter what order you went in I was going to ask the same question. >> as powerhouse this is what we see as the best solution. If not us then them. >> well, I mean the good and bad of this conversation is that we have these problems to try to address. >> definitely. >> but lots of people interested in doing the work. >> yes. >> we are sort of winning. >> is hart going to come up and ask for 25, too? >> for different reasons but yes. >> thanks very much. >> this is kind of an unholy alliance apparently. >> we are not all church members just a couple of us. >> is that it for me? I will probably get a text from nancy. >> I do have questions but I don't want to ask tough questions. >> you can ask me something? >> good thank you. You are part of alliance and they are making a proposal and you probably might have said something is that reasonable, the previous proposal what they said as an alliance rights? >> did I give input? Is that what you were asking. I was in that meeting it was not a lie. >> okay. >> that helps us. >> thanks very much. >> MR. Kelly. >> go ahead, ed, ask for 50. >> I'm ed kelly hi council and mayor. Ed kelly, past PRESIDENT And I'm speaking on judy alexander's behalf. She is up in seattle, escaping the heat. But cooled down today. So that is good! Hart's presentation is not far from what the alliance presentation is. Hart came in to city of folsom in 2017 and there was a big vacancy of resources available to the homeless people. Powerhouse has been here for 29 years as you have heard. They are the center that everybody knows. The ones that are giving out laundry vouchers and helping people get to meetings and all like that. I volunteer there as well. What we do at hart is we try to lift people out of homelessness and get them to the resources so they can be productive members of society we don't want to make them comfortable in homelessness our desire is to get them to next step, one of the big steps that is need said transitional housing. We get somebody off the street, work through their issues, get them into a job training or mentorship program and get them so they start to earn money and hopefully into housing. Low income housing if there is any, get them off the street, that is our goal and objective. And I don't think that anybody behind me is disagreeing with that, that is what we want to do. We don't want to make it easy for them to be homeless. Judy has added these numbers up and asked me to present them and they do add up to a little more than $25,000. But not much. The 5,000 they are asking for support to the navigator is one of the things that we think is essential. In the past hart has been the bank for the navigator doing those things. We have been the ones that were buying tickets to get people someplace and that is -- we are making success, so that is fine. We would like navigator to at least be able to have those funds when she needs them. We are asking for 20,000 in the transitional housing program. Transitional housing is expensive. You know, not only the rent but the follow-up and things they need to get going but we do believe that is a big step to get somebody off the street so they can take a shower to get to work, they can eat and be healthy and become productive members and the other 5,000 which adds up to 30 but council gets to make the decision is our winter shelter. So we run a 12-week winter shelter, run it for four years. That is our opportunity to learn who these people are and to find out what we can do to move them forward. And that has been successful way for us to make that connection. I do believe that the mobile centre is also a good place. But if you guys really wanted to do something, we have a powerhouse brick and mortar, we would like to have a -- let them do their job as powerhouse ministries and create a bricks and mortar day center which judy asked for several times, basically similar to what powerhouse is, place they could to go use computers go to make telephone calls meet their mentors, to go training classes things like that. We can do in it the trailer in the long run it would probably be nice to have a physical place. That is really all it is. >> not sure I completely understood what it is you want $5,000 for relative to winter shelter. >> for transportation, buying cots and food, showers, miscellaneous supplies. Last year with the covid expenses it cost us a lot more to keep the place up and clean and all of that stuff. 5,000 would be to be able to let us run the winter shelter. >> what is the deal? Did hart buy cots that are used during winter shelter. >> we do. And of course they have a life. They do have to be replaced. Sleeping bags and the cots do wear out after a while. We do replace those as they go. >> okay. They don't bring their own sleeping bags. >> no, no, everything is provided. >> okay. Everybody gets same thing when they are there. >> and perhaps I missed something, but what food services are you providing? >> a lot of times we have had to, if we don't get donations of food we end up purchasing food for them. A lot of times we have gone out and got healthy breakfast foods and stuff because we did not get any donations for that. >> predominantly breakfast and asking this because two of us sitting up here do provide food in the winter shelter. >> we are grateful for that. Take away breakfast that we had a lot was just SWEETnd and -- >> my suggestion honestly sed that if you make that known -- ed is that if you make that known to folks private individuals and restaurants providing that that you are interested in breakfast stuff as well we are happy to do it and it won't be raspberry dinner. >> got a lost those. >> my partner will eat all of that. >> all right. Any questions from the council right now? Okay thanks very much. >> appreciate it. >> any other requests to speak. >> no further requests to speak on this item. >> anybody else in the audience want to provide input on this top snick. >> mayor, we do have a slide that I could ask our library director to put up that we took the liberty of kind of summarizing what we saw in the proposals ahead of time which gels with way heard and these few items I listed from the city earlier today. For purposes of discussion it might be helpful to have that up. >> thank you laurie. >> okay. I guess we are looking for commentary and yk you are immediately to my left. Call on you first. >> come on down. Sorry I did not see you there. >> good evening, mary kay williams. I have a question. You mentioned that last year you spent over $900,000 indirectly on the unhoused. Why isn't there more money in the budget this year more than the 25,000? Thank you. >> so that -- those expenses are still in the budget this year, this is above and beyond. so I expect we would again spend, you know, close to 900,000 in the current fiscal year, between -- and this includes things like our police officers time, two officers, police sergeant's time, code enforcement officers, our planners in our community development department working on affordable housing grant administration, our public works crews working on clean-ups our fire department responding to medical calls lots of staff time on behalf of our parks and rec team and also senior maintenance staff hours just in terms of personnel costs alone and those are all still ongoing in this budget. We also over the years we have the very specific direct costs like paying for the navigator that I mentioned through the sacramento self help housing, we have a contract with that organization. Clean-up contracts like got junk and junk king, those are direct costs all of that is still in the budget and will be about 900,000 again I'm guessing this fiscal year and this is above and beyond trying to do something a little more. >> and just to follow along that, that was a discussion that we had when we were doing the budget conversation as couple of months ago. There is a bunch of people that would love to see 5 million added to being able to provide more services for unhoused folks. We don't physically have the money. So there is, you know, our expected revenue stream for the city of folsom is what it is. So we have a set size much the pie and we have to figure out how that money will be spent. >> okay. Bring this back to council now for council comments and yk you are to my left, you get to go first. >> I want to sincerely thank the folsom alliance. I have been working with several non profits here and we always talk and there are so many people that want to do the things and finally they are here. I do see that one or two are missing but I'm going to sincerely encourage them to join that group rather than giving us a call. Let it be one voice. And my recommendation on the summary, as I mentioned I think before, even though mayor said do you have any questions, I gave a statement. So I'm going to repeat my statement again on the middle one. Folsom alliance. The emergency funds for the pd, I love our pd, they are so smart and innovative, and we do have the folsom police officers association where probably when they do next big event we can promote this kind of thing and get that 5,000 through that route, I would like the entire funds goes to the transitional housing because I have seen people, even though whatever we do, if we can't put them inside of a house and monitor, that is important, too. I think ed is going to shake his head if we can't do that all of the hard work goes down the drain. Recommendation, middle one mobile center yes agree and 5,000 can be moved to transitional housing to make that 20,000. I wish we had more money for the winter shelter. That is where we are. Thank you. >> okay. Thank you. Rosario? >> some of my comments are I want to scratch 1500 for the cooling center, because that is already -- it is not a homeless, not cooling center for homeless individuals. As I said earlier. I think that the encampment clean-up that 5,000, there is already money in the budget for that, so I would rather keep it there. The navigator funds, I think that could -- there are a couple of things up there that could be put together, navigator funds and then alliance made recommendation of the emergency fund which includes folsom pd and navigator. So navigator currently reports to sergeant zaliya and them two together can make recommendations about bus tickets vouchers, who tell stays, so those two can be together. But I think that having worked with the alliance the recommendation of the mobile day center, emergency funds which includes money for pd and navigator and then 15,000 to housing for hart to use is probably my pick. >> okay. Kerri, your thoughts? >> the only thing I'm going to say to start off with is that I love that everybody participated in the alliance. I am, however, going to tell all of you that I'm very disappointed that the alliance itself comes up with a recommendation and then powerhouse comes in and tries to take money and hart comes in and asks for that money and more. That disappoints me. That leads me to believe that it is a bit less of an alliance than I had hoped. Everything having said that my suggestion to hart on the winter shelter expenses, have you guys gone to dick's sporting goods or any of the retailers in town to see if they will donate those cots or sleeping bags? A suggestion rather than you guys buying them. I think that could be a really simple way to eliminate the need for that $5,000. My other inclination would basically be I really like idea of mobile day center. I know that powerhouse has done a great job for a long time. I think that part of the reason that jeanne and nicole came up with that consent everybody will not go to powerhouse. I think they will have a better opportunity to collect those people that are showing less inclination to get help and that maybe jeanne and nicole and some of the others in the group have to do a bit more coercing to get them to be willing to discuss the health thing. So I'm kind of leaning in that direction. I don't know that honestly I don't know I want to pick. I think there are other things that could be done. But, you know, if I had to go in order my number one would probably be alliance because I know that all of you participated in that. >> and kerri just to express more, ira is probably a really good example. He would not have done somewhere. They went out to get him. >> yes. >> and that is, you know, ira is probably a good example and ron coming, these are -- you have to go out to them to build that relationship. >> right. That is kind of where I am right now. And you know, frankly in the future, my personal feeling is that we have spent -- we have spent, the city has spent all of the individuals involved in this have spent an inordinate amount of time arguing over $25,000. I would really prefer not to do that in the future and really like, and you will see where the budget gets next year maybe the number is bigger hopefully the budge set in much better condition than it was coming into this current fiscal year, but I really would like to get this assigned to the city manager. It is very well below her signing authority. And I appreciate the input. And I think that we will continue to get input from the folks that help the homeless in folks in folsom throughout the course of the year. Whether that be contacting council members directly, coming to speak at council meetings, but I would prefer not to have three or four council meetings to discuss $25,000 that I think the city manager is more than qualified to make some determinations as to where this money will go. >> sarah. >> well I think you will get five different answers. First I want clarification maybe from chief hillman or the gentleman from sacramento self help housing scott? Okay. I just want clarification on navigator. I know folsom police department holds the contract. I don't believe it is correct to say that the navigator reports to the city of folsom or folsom police department. I want to get a little clarification on that. Who does the navigator report to? What if one of the non profits you know, contacts her? I just want a bit more clarification whoever wants to come to the podium. >> good evening. Scott young, I'm the assistant director of homeless outreach and navigation with sacramento self help housing. So you're correct that navigator does not respond directly to police department. She is an employee of sacramento self help housing. So she reports directly to me as her supervisor. and then we work because the city is paying for the contract we work closely with city and police department to provide services and to work collectively with hart and specifically, hart and with the police department to provide services and to help locate and then be able to have navigator provide services. But we also are an active member of the alliance and we support the work of alliance. Alliance is only a couple of months old. So I think that some of the, you know, stuff that kerri you addressed of being disappointed I think part of that is growing pains of an organization we are trying not to be sil oed and we believe strongly in the work we do. It will take sometime and come up with proposals that we can all better agree on. Sacramento self help housing is committed to working with community partners and doing this type of collaborative work in the city of folsom. >> so if somebody for example if jeanne are two call navigator and saying could you talk to this person she would respond to that? >> correct. And jeanne can call me as well. Navigator can only be in one place at one time, doing office hours at powerhouse or out with the sergeant, then jeanne could call me and we would arrange to do that. Yes, the goal is for, we see, you know, having somebody like jeanne and heather out in the field, out in the bushes doing that kind of work is amazingly helpful to us because the navigator will not be directed to some of these people that she might not otherwise be able to find or know about. >> got it. Thank you. >> any other questions. >> all the questions do I have comments. >> thank you. >> so I think it is fair to say that under the city category navigator funds for distribution 5,000 is same thing as emergency funds for fpd distribution under alliance. I'm in 100% support of that. You know, we have the contract with the navigator I don't think it is appropriate that powerhouse or hart or whomever has to be out-of-pocket it seems like that is an expense we should pick up. Yes we are only talking about 25,000 right now I think in the future it is very possible that we will be talking about a much bigger sum. Because it does not appear that the boise decision is going anywhere, doesn't appear that state has any solutions h a dozen fires in past year, dozen fires started in homeless encampments we cannot do just status quo. I think in the near future we will have to be talking about doing this on a much larger scale. It is my personal belief and first of all I want to say kudos to all of you to rosario for spearheading and everybody out there, I think that the increased cooperation and communication is fantastic. And I know that y'all do really, really great work. When it comes time, though, to committing city resources, taxpayer dollars, I really think that we are better off selecting one non profit and putting our money there. And there is a couple of reasons I think that is the case. Number one, I think that gives us the ability to ensure thattive with non profit we choose, their vision, their mission aligns as closely as possible with ours. Like you say you have different niches and different missions overall it is the same, but secondly, I think it provide as layer of accountability that we say hey we will give enthusiastic money. Here are our expectations for how it is spent and we want some sort of accounting and thirdly it provides clarity to the public and I know that hart folsom was formed because folsom police department reached out to faith-based community. And for the past four plus years certainly 21/2 years I have been on the council, the message that the city has delivered when the public has succeed is we work with hart. And kerri when you were the mayor, we had a group of residents meeting monthly, kind of informally it was not a formal organization but they were just interested in the topic, wanted want to do what they could, you spoke to them, I spoke to them presumably other council members did too and the message we relayed was we are working with hart. It is my understanding that that group has been folded into subcommittee of hart and is helping on the housing subcommittee. I personally think that the relationship with hart should continue and that should be your go-to. Whether it is 20,000 for traditional transitional housing or whatever number, but it just seems to me like whatever non profit it is, let's decide on one and that is if we are going to make investments that is where our money goes. Rather than a bit here, a little bit there, that is my feeling. I guess if I had to vote I would say 5,000 for the navigator/folsom pd discretion and then 20,000 to hart for transitional housing. >> okay. Excellent. Okay. For my part I want to echo the thanks that everybody has given to you guys that do this work. It is difficult that we have this problem. It it is really a testament to your spirit of service to be willing to take it on as your life's work in many of your cases. It is marvelous that we have the, you know, the number of people that are willing to step up to bat and to deal with this. And help these people that have fallen on hard times. Find a better path. And I agree completely with you kerri with respect to this amount of money for future budgets. This is, you know, it is something that should simply be a grant fund that is managed by the city manager through appropriate application process. So I do believe that you know, the -- we are going to be talking about other funding sources at some point for other programs and as we add kind of ambition to our cause, we will need to talk about that. But with respect to this part of the budget going forward, it should definitely just stay within the staff. As it relates to you know, sort of the formation of the folsom alliance for the unhoused, it is fantastic that you have found each other and found a way to kind of find where the overlaps and the skillsets matched up. So that you could collectively make this presentation that we saw and also come up with a very reasoned proposal on how to spend this money. And I don't see any reason to deviate from that. I think -- I did have -- I do have the question that I'm going to let the city manager sort out, which is okay f we actually go down this path, where we are saying 5,000 for mobile day center and 15,000 to hart is a grant to hart and subgrant from hart to whoever is operating mobile day center but ask you to sort that out so that we are not splitting things up. Because I do think the fewer hands that the money goes to is probably just simplifies things for us. But I, you know, for my part I think that is absolutely reasoned and sensible allocation of those funds. So if there is other commentary anybody would like to make happy to entertain it. Or a motion. >> I have just a last comment. Just because I want this to be very clear. When we spoke, I don't know, a couple of months ago and we wanted to hear what the sergeant zaliya he works directly with them, goes out, does ride-alongs, he knows every single one of them. Almost every single one of them. They know him. They can, I will never forget on one of the ride-alongs I was in the back seat and somebody was so mad that the police department showed up and then they saw it was sergeant zaliya the guy said oh, his demeanor went from what are you doing to oh, very warm, they have a very good relationship with him, a lot of respect. And so that was really something that came up, that was really important to know what does the sergeant have to say. And so when this came out, the soothe weighed heavily on the mobile day center, 5,000, emergency fund for pd and navigator 5,000 and housing 15,000 to hart. So I just want to share that it was heavily weighed in by sergeant zaliya. >> very good. >> I will move to move forward with the folsom alliance proposal for the time being and ideally in future years, have this be at the discretion of the city manager. >> is there a second? >> I will second it. Okay motion and two seconds. >> okay council member chalamcherla. >> yes. >> howell. >> yes. >> rodriguez. >> yes. >> aquino. >> yes. >> and kozlowski. >> yes. >> all of you guys go forth and hold hands. >> yes. All right. >> I want to see you all driving around in mobile day center together. >> okay. Call next item. >> your next item this evening is item number 11. Presentation and public workshop regarding solid waste rate studies and city council direction to staff and just reminder staff report was amended. >> okay. If anybody is not super excited about solid waste you are welcome to take off. >> not excited about solid waste? [Laughter] >> good evening mayor and members of council -- >> trying to figure out what my friends in the back are here tore tonight and thanks for staying through the meeting and connie can you give me a call tomorrow about something totally separate? Thank you. >> good evening marie Mckeith, general services manager for the public works department overseeing solid waste division and joining me this evening is ryan from r3 consulting who can help to answer any questions about the rate study and also about sb 1383 prompting the rate study that we have -- that we have recently completed. Start this evening with a quick overview of sb 1383. Know that you are familiar with it and talked about in it the past, to reiterate that is what is driving rate study. And then go into the methodology that was used which includes updating current rate model, the costs that we included in this study, utility commission meetings as well as strategies that we included to minimize increases. And then go over the specific impact to ratepayers and next steps. Sb 1383 california short lived climate pollution law the strategic that they are using to implement to reduce pollution is to keep organic waste out of the landfill. That is how it impacts solid waste. Costs unknown during prior rate study. Unfortunately in a position at that time where we had not raised rates for many years and impacted by china national sword and crash of recycling market and so we had to proceed with that rate study, without including the costs of this legislation. Even though we