Historic Preservation Board

>> Historic Preservation To state the summer 9 2025. Susan, what you'd like to? >> Chair Frank J. Vice Chair Gonzalez here. Joyce Hart here, thank you. And Melanie Harris, they're very good. Thank you. >> like to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. If everyone face the pledge allegiance to the flag. United of America and to the public which stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Susan, you rate pledge of >> we may disagree, but we will be respectful to one another. We will direct all comments to issues. We will avoid personal attacks and chair. If I may remind everyone he speaks today to speak very clearly into the microphone for the close captioning system. >> there any changes to the order of the day? >> There are 3 changes that do not recall why are a vote? But that I would like to readings the record number one item. 26 3, 4, 908, mellow, which was noticed publicly to be part of this meeting has been withdrawn. Item 9 AF originally to be intended to be presented by Kimberly Kirby will be presented by Kyle Gaylor and Miranda Clay. I have incorrectly represented the items 4 F and GE Arc was a judicial hearing items. They're only public hearing items and you're not meet the question, right? Judicial standards. A chance The previous minutes. Yes, yes. The comments. motion to approve those moments. I move to approve the minutes from since September. >> Our October 14th 2025 is there a second by second. Thank you. >> All in favor say Aye. Aye. All opposed. Okay. Is there any that are going on to citizen Susan, what you like to to find for everyone the appropriate amount of time. >> input. Yes, that it's acceptable to the board. Everyone will be given 3 minutes to speak after which will hear a time are going off. And respectfully request that you and your comments then and that the next person speak. >> First, I'd like to invite up more in county. >> For the record, my name is Lauren Muldowney. It's nice to see everybody. I'm here today to talk to you a little bit about the U.S. garage located at 3.30, South Pineapple Avenue. I know it was discussed briefly by the board former meeting. I want to provide you with some historical and architectural background on the significance of view of the U.S. garage. This is information that I don't believe has been previously provided, nor is it reflected in the application for demolition of this Florida master site file building. Most of the research was conducted by architecture, Sarasota. We know that the U.S. garage was built in 1924. And renovated 60 years later and put a little something. Elmo here. See if we can focusing on the photograph, It was designed by an architect named Herbert Johnson. And it was called the most modern car showroom in the self. The ownership change frequently, but the puncture remained consistent as an automobile showroom. It's simple for us on. Could you enlarge that a little features expansive storefront typical for early 20th Century commercial design trends, the building's configuration permitted automobiles to be stored on the second floor. And if you've ever looked around at the building, you can still see the wooden floor elevators that still exists. The building was first identified a significant in 1982. When the City of Sarasota authorize the completion of their First 10 Trull survey. The survey criteria used to this review in this report are those that are used for listing in the National Register. So in fact, in that first serving it was identified as being eligible. In 1984, architect Frank Fulsome Smith and his wife and adaptive Lee. Reuse the building. By converting it from the showroom used office and retail photograph of pretty much looks today. These changes were made to keep up with redevelopment that was going on in the area. Many of you are probably familiar with Frankel, some Smith's work. He was a skilled architect who died this year. He was recognized as a fellow of the American Institute of Architects later in his career. And if memory serves, he was a member of this historic Preservation Board a number of years ago. Us in my professional opinion. Smith's adaptive reuse of the building was done in a manner that is consistent with the secretary of the interior standards. You can see that the storefront configuration was maintained the second floor window openings were retained as well. And the original Cornice line still exists. A small ball was added to create kind of an enclosed patio area at the ground floor. But it is detached from the building as we would look at if we looking at the standards and the small entry way as well. I'd like to close with a quote from Smith that informs his work and I hope will encourage you to require review of this new information. To quote, he said to look at the past after the president and plan for the future. That was his thank you very much. ? Lynn. anywhere anywhere. For saying I'm going miss heaven. >> If you'll hold your remarks until you're in front of microphone Thank you. >> I'll do it I'm Jay and and I am a downtown condominium owner. I have a condominium in the 101 building which some of you old-timers is there are on the board may know is Dalton Tower. I'm also a member of Sarasota Alliance for Historic Preservation. I have walked 5 us garage. million times I've gone in. It is a wonderful building. I think based on what already told you that hopefully. You will feel that you need to start the demolition process over the application. I believe we've read and what I've heard, that it should it should be eligible for listing both times it was originally done and the wonderful, wonderful adaptive reuse. It is has been meticulously. Maintained. So as opposed to some of our historic buildings, which stanchion work in order BT's unsafe. Unsanitary. This building is wonderful and occupy and occupied. So to demolish it, I won't even get into what the intended uses after they demolished because it's not in front of you, it's a wonderful building. And I very much hope you will start this process over someone who said it better than I have said is the editorial that was in a and that was yesterday's Herald just so I am going to pass ? >> And if know you're pretty well for the record. My name is Dave neighbor. I'm here today speaking. Kind of it in general what's going to be in the next presentation. The 6 to save program. As you'll hear this. It's an important program that was started 6 years ago. Initially by the U.S. are sort of coalition of history and preservation organizations in 4 years ago. The Alliance Preservation took that over and every year that we do that we're diligently died. Identify buildings, resources, objects that are threatened. And this year there's there's 6 like every year. 5 of those are in the city of Sarasota and 2 are actively under threat because of redevelopment. Right now. You just heard about the U.S. garage, which is one of those that we had. identified the 6 to save lists really critical building. I believe it's likely the first multi-story parking garage in the city and it was the second floor was used to store cars for Pieper Snowbirds who one of their car protected during hurricane season. And it's a critical building. You'll be hearing a lot about this the days go on. The other one that's actively threatened is the Turner House, which is on Fruitville right at the roundabout with the Tamiami Trail. And that's a phenomenal building. Same air as McAlpin House. Same type of out CAS rest. Okay to block it's a remarkable building and that the owners were prominent in the community and it's. Also threatened an active development proposal that's moving forward through A process. Another important building that's not currently threatened, but is a likely candidate is presser from the courthouse. Lawyers Yeah. Sorry. Getting old so that building is remarkable building that was built first building designed Frank Fulsome Smith. We went on his own and it truly is an amazing building with the open courtyard. And it's it's. Falling into significant disrepair. And we're very concerned about that. And we believe it's, you know, it's going to be we're going to be actively pursuing seeing that believes preserved. They certainly can take advantage of the TR program that's about to launch to build it. Save the one story building and reuse those their rights another building. So that's I just wanted to talk about that today will be hearing a lot more about the Sixers say from Aaron. But I wanted to reiterate the importance of that program and those building center and structures that are threatened currently or will be in the future. Thank you. >> Next up taken some. folks. >> My name is great because and I hope he can under the right quite sure on the form. But I just wanted to I'll start with on the president of the storm. side We had a meeting last. We have a presentation last Sunday is part of our conversations. Crocker. And that's what present. There was John from here one of our new members. And I just wanted to reiterate that when John told the gathering they're about probably 80 folks there. This in the presentation. He got a huge round of applause. So this is side. You were definitely I'm in favor. Having the house. We moved. favorite. Both of the need. We were this pub part of the group trying to save it from the get-go. so many of the structures. We have a save. Your coming in too. To say that. We are behind it. We think that this is a very good idea like and he's good job. So this And seen to forge. balancing coming down very well. >> I'm Nancy to And I'm a board member of the Sarasota for Historic Preservation. Much has been written about the McAlpin House with a great deal of public support for saving this 1912, structure built by the man who did curving and seawalls in the early 20th Century. Sarasota. How fortunate for local citizens. And also the state of Florida history that Mister Vick Maren wants to move them a cow and house those saving it from demolition. I and my board strongly recommend to approve a certificate of appropriateness for relocation to the Ethan Allen neighborhood. And to make this happen. We also highly recommend. Mister Air and be approved for a variance to relocate McAlpin House onto a parcel of land less than 5,000 Square feet. The support you and the city commission give to saving and bit of September. So does early history will be appreciated by generations to come. Thank you. >> we have John. >> And the hero of the week. All and My name is John from Aaron. Pursue trying to get help and house moved to a lot that I have anything to help him. In addition to that, I wanted to mention of ball about my history that I don't think. I work for the city's a vacate the right of way for Seed Avenue with Mike Ferrin. It like her >> I'm trying I'm so sorry for interrupting, Mister for mayor or the star Mark. So you'll be making during your presentation later on in the agenda. These are the open citizen remarks led to believe that that was for >> Was more specific to the variance and question we are, we'll have you speak during your agenda. Items will be further down and you'll be given on a lot more time in 3 minutes. >> So you may want to. skews me If you don't mind the again, we'll have the ask it in the. >> I signed a speakers card and I put the agenda item. Why was I called out for public citizen time? >> I apologize. We thought they open comments and it wasn't until I heard heard years that I realize that you're not doing says she did paper. When you read the sheet of paper, we will see the item number that we write down to speak to. And that's the agenda I do. >> Yes, that's that's my fault for not catching it. When I gave it to him, I apologize. I thought all the comments were on one topic. So my apologies. they're still heard and recorded. It was absolutely yes, it's just that Mister are nice. what effects? No, you're you're on the record. Thank you. My apologies. Juror. As a Robert like him. I actually have comments about. >> The garage with a reporter, if you would, rather have seen made those comments after the me the present poor and happy to do it. Then. But if you didn't want to let me have public comment on that again. >> I just clarify very quickly. So there's a presentation today on the 6 to save any comments that are about that can happen during open public comment right now. There are then 4 subsequent agenda items. The McAlpin how 16 68 Oak in 18, 40 oak. If you're speaking to those items, we ask that you wait for that agenda item So I think Mister Lincoln, it's appropriate make your comments now. Members. My name is Robert attorney. I'm here representing Tea >> Sarasota development, the owner of the Adagio straight site and the U.S. Speaking today because obviously applications become an issue and it's it's been today. There's currently a to demo permit. It's been applied for and that will be subject because the property is on the master site to the initial staff. Evaluation. here say today's that evaluation is already done by Doctor Smith. Before the property was purchased before the current plans were put forward. The Saint was evaluated put the results on the record. And this is from the city's GIs and given the historic preservation and the city's database for how the different sites on the floor, the master their within the city are represented. And if you look at the document and the database that our show, you it clearly says demo, yes, local eligible no national know. >> So we have a screen. So Mister Doctor Smith, he's done evaluation already and a determined previously. After the request for Submittal on an evaluation that he did not meet the criteria. Let me note obviously, the boards of the lead to a a submit. property local designation, where's the property owner's consent released the property owner Jess. That can't go forward. I would suggest that trying to impose that retroactively through the building permit process. It's highly problematic and especially in a situation where the owners have already received and relied on a determination from the city. It would be a significant issue with with respect to this building. >> That's time. Mister McAlpin excuse me, Mister I said that's time is us. My commission. >> Look I would say the city has started to try to use incentives rather than regulation as a tool for addressing. Concerns about that. Just about of losing a older buildings, whether or not. They need to form right criteria for listing or not. I would. Encourage the board too little too press the city commission to find more ways to provide incentives for preserving older buildings. Rather, looking for regulatory actions and trying to in that fashion. I think this is an area where you will get more flies with honey. Then with the. Thank you very much. Thank you. >> Are speaking out to topics? Are just want the public >> so we can say those comments until that agenda item. That's right. You're Thank you. Yes, we'll call you up at that time. Thank you. That's the and the are. comments. >> We have a presentation from the Sarasota Alliance for Historic Preservation, 6 to say 2025 air and the FAA's. You know what, you might come up. ? >> as you I'm the managing director, the Saracens lines for Preservation. did. Now it happened Dave gave a little introduction about the. >> 6 to save as deep >> program. it is now in its 6th year. we have I am very happy to report that we've had a lot of building community involvement in this program, which is what we always envisioned. And we're now really starting to to realize so first, I would like to thank everybody for their service on this board. I know how much time and commitment and energy it takes. And I really appreciate you taking the time to. Fight the good fight with us to keep some of our history alive. And thank you, Susan, for inviting us to make this presentation because it's a fantastic opportunity for you guys to maybe get a little bit more information about these properties, which hopefully will. Well, hopefully will come before you. But but least not for bad reasons. The I also need to think the 6 to save committee, which is a group of incredibly talented people. beyond our Members of the community and other organizations and they really dedicated a lot of time to selecting the properties that are on this list from the nominations that came in from the community. And I'd like to also thank the community for going the extra step in nominating these properties and lastly, I need to think Virginia Hoffman, she took the photos for us. Many of the photos that you'll see today. So for the 6 to save, you're familiar with tears and alliance. That's our mission. Our first property today we're going to start with the oldest JB Turner House, which was built by George W Parker in 1912. He was a Mason and this was the home of Sarasota's first aldermen and a successful downtown merchant who ran the GB Turner Company on Main Street, which was first known as Highsmith and Turner, a general merchandise store that had everything from dry goods to know Narita shoes to furniture, to groceries. In 19. 0, 9, JB Turner built the first parking lot. We're talking about garages. This was the first parking lot and Sarasota. It was a covered space behind his store Main Street. But this house he built in 1912. It's one of the last remaining rustic hated block structures. And one of the last remaining buildings from that period. After Turner retired from politics and his store. He focused on gardening. He used to own several of the adjacent parcels historically and had extensive gardens through those. And in 1924, his daughter Agnes and her husband, Je battle, built their home across the street, which is the the Purple House. I'm sure you've seen it when you've driven by. The JB Turner House is now owned by developer and it sits empty and isolated the former residential neighborhood is now a very busy traffic circle and high-rise condos. But the alliance would very much like to see it preserved ideally in its location. But if not if not, there, then moved somewhere close by. So we are hopeful and have established a pretty dialogue with the developer so far. So. Hopefully we keep moving in that direction. The U.S. garage. heard a little bit about this before. As Lori stated, the U.S. Garage building was built in 1924. by architect, J Herbert Johnson as an automobile showroom and service facility for Sea and pain and WL Pearson, the original owners. This was part of Sarasota's early embrace of car culture. We went all in on that and as she mentioned, they stored cars on the second floor. And after this is that historic photo that she showed you actually also. After serving as a facility for car dealerships, the building was converted in the 80's into an art gallery in office. Space. And it isn't excellent example of adaptive reuse. The project architect for the project was Frank Fulsome. Smith. And it continues. This building continues to house. Multiple businesses, including and fulsome Smith. And it is in very good condition. We're all familiar with to development but we would like to see this historic building country continue to contribute to our community with retail and office space. can see the mechanism that brought the vehicles up to the second floor. property owner, our list is the Black for La Blackburn Point Swing bridge which was constructed in 1925. It one of the last remaining swing bridges in the state of Florida people on Casey Key are very much a fan of this bridge as it works really well to slow the progress of traffic onto the key. The bridge because it's one It does swing completely sideways to allow for votes to pass. sure of it open and it was built as part of the first infrastructure blitz that the newly formed Sarasota County did during an early that 20's land boom. The county had just split off from and manatee and taxpayers. Approved a bond issue for those infrastructure projects. There were several swing bridges built at that time. And this is the only survivor. In 20 in 2001, there was a vigorous public debate at that time about whether to replace or rebuild the bridge. And after advocacy by local residents and preservationists, the bridge was saved and went through major rehabilitation to extends life by 25 years. And the cost of that was about a quarter of the price of replacing it. And we're now at the end of that 25 year period. And now the debate is going again about whether to replace the bridge. And not surprisingly count, the engineers that have been hired by the county prefer building a new bridge, which will be 3 times the cost of rehabilitation, which is still an option. So the swing bridge is an important reminder of our early Sarasota County experience and life on the Keys. And that is quickly disappearing. So we're hoping that the county can decide to take the cost saving and history saving approach. And rehabilitate the bridge so that it may live another 25 years. Next on our list is the war in your residence? This was built in 1961. It's one of 2 privately owned properties that were listed this year. It's on High Park Street and was does it was designed in 1961. By husband and wife, Architects. Joan and Kenneth Warner. Who worked at the Office of Ralph Twitchell. They created this masterpiece for their own family and it stayed in their family for many, many years in 1961, it was recognized as the record house of 1961. by architectural record, 90 Zein. We actually have some photos from that. The longtime owners. So the Warners owned it and then it was purchased by other long-term owners who wanted for several decades when they passed away, came on the market and then was purchased recently. Held but not touched. And now he's yet again back on the market. So we are hoping to work with someone who would like to do, the work that is needed to restore the building. It does have some deferred maintenance because well, no one's touched it for a year. And before that, it did have a little bit of deferred maintenance The owners have gotten elderly, but the home is still very much an original inside and out. This would be a very good candidate for an easement. You can see here. There's beautiful oak canopy in the back and the interior layout also has not changed. Next on our list is the lawyers professional building. It was also built in 1961. And this was another. This is actually, as Steve mentioned, the first project that Frankel, some Smith after he opened his own practice when he was 35. The building helped to define the modern look at downtown. And it was commissioned by the lawyer, Nelson and his client, Hugo Peters. As a rental space for lawyers wanting to be close to the courthouse, which is across the street. The building is organized around a central open air courtyard. From which the beach rental space is accessed. And the rental spaces consist of a reception area conference room and then private and private offices. The building is situated right up to the main street sidewalk with the rear parking lot assessed accessed by Wallace Avenue. The main structure isn't exposed. Steel frame with steel roof trusses holding up the roof. The walls are non load bearing exposed concrete block for Lee staffed 8 feet high with clear story glass between the top the ceiling. And private walled gardens surround the perimeter of the building, which are accessed from each of the rental spaces. You can't you can kind of see dot. You see in the photo here. A companion building was designed and built for I Kurt Merrill by Frank Wilson. Smith in 1962. But that one was demolished in 1980, in the 80's. This building here, you can see. But the central area there of the courtyard used to be a fountain. We're now it is couples. It's currently vacant and in need of repairs and it is extremely vulnerable because it does sit on land that is on for 10 stories. So we we are encouraging. Future owner to utilize that who you are. Luke would park and the Mable Ringling Fountain. The liquid park. Was donated all 12 acres were donated in 1931. To the City of Sarasota by Luke and and Wood and the woods home was to the east where McDonald's and the Ford dealership are although my office is in it in its current location. In Pioneer Park. This used to be a launch pedestrian park. And you can see here is an old. Postcard depiction of it. It had a lagoon at reflecting Pool, a bird sanctuary and walking paths. The Sarasota Garden Club helped to establish a with more than 1000 trees and shrubs. The fountain was constructed and 36 by the founder's Circle in the Garden Club, Sarasota Garden Club to honor their first president Mable Ringling who had passed away in 1929. But in 1998, the park was divided by Mount Street to make way for more traffic. The fountain was filled in and the marble lions that had been commissioned by John Ringling. Removed the ones that you see in the photo now are replacements. Recast. In 2011, the alliance began restoration of the fountain with support from many partners. Unfortunately, the effort stalled when the city utility department to climb to maintain the fountain. As you can see, it is dry. And we. We think that the park could be restored to be much more of a focal point and a community asset here at and southern entrance really to the city. A group of volunteers have come together around this topic and they have created E website called Miracle on Mound. So one of the app exceed projects that the 6 to save committees kind of giving birth to is this group that is working. Brings other stakeholders from the city into the project to hopefully. Get some. Some more engagement and excitement about that. So I appreciate your time here today. And just. Want thank you and as members of the community, we take very seriously. Our need to advocate for those places that are special to us and gives meaning. So thank you for helping us to protect owns. ? ? ? >> to dish hearing items. Susan, what you like to describe that process for everyone? Absolutely. there are 4 public hearings on today of theirs. 4 items for agenda items for today's public hearings, 2 of which are caused judicial hearings by his own in code in Florida law. These judicial proceedings are more formal than legislative hearings. Parties assigned the applicant and the City of Sarasota and people who've applied for qualified for effect person's status. We do not have anyone who's applied for qualified for affected person status the parties have an opportunity. That is the applicant in the city to prevent evidence is in the form of documentary evidence testimony, an expert testimony. There's an opportunity to cross examine witnesses and present rebuttal. Closing arguments. The decision of start position port needs to based on confidence. Stanchion evidence in the record and consequently. The historic preservation port members need indicate if they've had any ex parte communication with any of that parties as regards to the McAlpin House, have any of the board members had any ex parte communications? Not thank you. Mister Chairman. If you'd like me to suggest time limits, I would that Mister Mayor and he's the applicant both the public hearing agenda items. A maximum of 10 minutes to speak and the city will respond in 5 minutes. 3 minute time limit for citizens to make public comment. I'm sorry. That's that. And anyone who will participating in any of the public hearings. I need to stand and raise your right hand and taken me. That includes parties in the back. Thank you. And Mister Yoder. Please stand and raise your right hand to take the oath. Do you swear or affirm that the evidence or factual representations, which you're about to give our percent of historic preservation board. >> At the public hearing help this 9th day of December 2025 or truthful. Thank you. The Thank you. First up >> 26 past Dash 0, 2, proposal to mount House from 15, 30 Cross Street. 23, 15 market street. >> Susan cast for clarification. Are we going discuss review and and vote on or take action on the move first and then and then do the whole thing over again for the variants. Are we doing them together? Yes. Thank you so much, Miss Harris. That is correct. You'll be doing your motion and vote for each of the items separately. >> And if the first item does not pass, we will not be hearing the second item. Okay. If I may introduce this item. In 2023, the owner of the McAlpin House. Strictly designated 1985. Ruble to demolish the locally designated structure. The historic Preservation Board subsequently denied that those demolition 4, 0, The applicant appealed that decision to the city commission and the City Commission on April first 2024. approved the demolition contingent upon conditions recorded in a certificate of appropriateness. 23 of 2 these conditions included direction to continue to pursue relocation of the structure rather than demolition and identified a monetary contribution to be made. But the current property owner towards the effort of relocation, the item you're about to hear is the request for permission to carry out that relocation. >> I'd like to do reading time. I'm afraid that could find bowls issues and this one statement. I hope you will suffice. So in 2009, I think was I worked with the city to vacate the right way for Seed Avenue. It was between 2 houses today on it was landlocked also on one side and an apartment complex on the other side, I had people coming through my yard. Looking in the windows. I trying to get sense. The city said, oh, no, that's not your land. You can do on offense. I said how about making it my land. I can pay taxes. All take responsibility. I saw Mike Fear an card. Merrill and then Dan Bailey Williams, Parker, the NBA. He said, if you do your own taxes and I suggest he said, you know, you can't afford me. Why don't you do this yourself and work your way through the process? So I did 3 years, 5 years, 10,000 hours later, the vacation of Seed Avenue was affected and I ended up with a lot. That was little bit short of the 5,000 Square feet to make it do double. But at that point, I invested $10,000 and I still hope that I could some time recoup my my expenses. that later in article in newspaper. in the coffin, house or friend called me and I contacted still Harbor. Was orange pineapple at time and said that I had a lot that might be feasible. But you get some some help, but because it was historic house, I thought there might be a chance for historic variance to make not acceptable. So I met with Susan guys. I'm Suzanne see a cut and David to start the petition to the city commission to expand the zoning code so that my lot of 9,781 Square feet could be split down to 5,000 square feet for the house. Where sense and 4,791 Square feet for the at the right of way. I kind of Saint John, what happens and still harbor. He's been a very supportive partner. We went looking for a House mover. We contacted 6 house movers in only one responded to us. He said, I'm sorry, I can't move the house roundabouts made. There are a tree plantings along mediums and it. I can't move to the other side of the city. Unity with demolition John, what happens when searching for? Johnson brothers moving? I talked to them a year ago, but they wouldn't return calls and that subsequent year and they said we can cut the house in half. Take the roof off, moved 3 pieces across town, put t back together again on this, the new location and we can do it that way. So that's what only happens. Proceeded to talk Johnson brothers about happens just has to 20 minutes ago to ask if the House can be split in half and removed. Can House have a new move at its new location based on the same specifications of how it is now and up a whole new idea of move block by block. And reassemble by block, which. somebody suggested that could be done I'm I'm deeply thankful for this opportunity. I mean, I I end up with the House from it, my resources are limited in. keeps getting more difficult. The split in half and porch on the back being taken off and having to be reassembled. Also the the city fees for setting up sewer and electricity and whatever. Has me challenged at the moment. I applied for restoration loan with alliance and hoping that that will come through my personal funds beyond that are limited rehabilitated dozens of homes over the years, including 4.19, 50's houses in Sarasota. Want to 23. 42 Margaret wanted. 23 58, Margaret Street and I have worked diligently to. Beautify those homes. raise them to their highest invest. One was was a a in process and are being slated for demolition as well. I moved to a 23. 42, Margaret, in 2008 and I want to share and that screen, which is block with the debt and off of one Avenue is has been primarily rental houses since I'm getting there. I think there were maybe 4 of us, maybe 6 of the most. owners occupy on that lot. Has been one Snowbird that is moved in. Do the since then. I believe his guy for me, the statement coming up about now wanting call from House move there. But I want to emphasize it was mostly rental properties before that house was built and continues to be. I'm requesting the historic variance. I'm hoping for relief, I guess not here, somewhere City did. Make it even harder for me to afford to support the move. So thank you. This question right? >> I'm actually I'm specific presentation. Then the citizen comments, then we get too. Yes, >> all of these various quick only to say everything that you read in the memo and to continue to confirm everything that Mister for mayor has said this is been a very long process for him and it does not in any way. And here this is the beginning of the number of steps, all of which are very tricky and very expensive. But they all follow the direction of the city Commission for 2024, their hope to relocate the property. And with regard to citizen comments, I know we have Mister Baber. I also received a letter to read into the record from a citizen. gentleman lives on Market Street Street. He's a part-time resident and this was his a message to the port. We do not feel the lot on Market Street is an appropriate location for historic how such as this one we do not want additional renters on Market Street. We already have too many current individuals who rent and the property owners themselves do not maintain their house and property on Market Street. We feel property values, resale, will be negatively impacted if this historic house relocation is approved. There is no benefit to the current property owners on Market Street only to the owner of a lot described as 23. 58 Market Street. The reason stated above we object to the movement of this story lot described as 23. 58 Market Street as requested by the owner. Is there citizen comment. I believe Mister Weber's signed up to speak. >> Thank you for the record. I'm Dave Favor. I'm actually speaking as president of the Sarasota Lines for Start Preservation on this matter so the McAlpin House was is in fact, under 6 to save lives from. To 3 years ago. And it's such an important building in the community. It's it's absolutely a critical building to save low to modest House size doesn't determine its value to the community. This is an important building. It's reflective of that building type using cast block, in fact, make out the news. One who brought the molds to Sarasota to be able to create that building material here in Sarasota and it's in remarkably good condition. So it's it's we've been the alliance has been working for years now on trying to figure out a way to save the building, testifying at the public hearings for the development so on. And we're very excited that the current applicant, John from Iran so excited about moving forward with this project. We have worked with him quite a bit and we will continue. I let him know. Certainly I'm available to help them any way to try to figure out the issues that arise and I was dubious about cutting building half. But then we walk through it and it actually cutting it in half will have really minor impact on the building. There's just the rear wall is not block. It was originally a wood. There is a wood. Section that was original to the building and there's not that back. Wall does not have cast block. So would be easy to read. Cut it front to back over the front door. There's only 2 courses of the block above the doors. So be easy to cut it in half and move it. Today was the first time I heard about movie dismantling a block by block and putting together. I'm could undo piece of that because the block is old and that's pretty fragile. I'm concerned that much of it will be damage and we're always working to try to protect historic fabric as much as we can as opposed to replicating it. I I. And I just mentioned John today that I'm certainly I'm still here to. Continue or who's in the figure out a resolution is the so I hardly encourage you to approve the relocation application as well as zone, the zoning amendment or whatever it is to allow for the lot that slightly smaller. I mean, it's really a tiny amount smaller than the minimum required. So it's I would absolutely encourage that to happen. I think that breeze, historic building like this into that neighborhood will certainly encourage enhance. The property values of that neighborhood. I'm not going to speak again if that's okay. But I that my comments are for the next one as well as this one. Okay. I mean, all come out full of another car if you want me to. But I'm OK, thank you very much. >> Questions from the board are well, are there any other? So the comments? Questions from the board? >> What does not want to answer questions? OK, a lot of questions. >> First, I just wanted to clarify, are you the owner of the but the property where it currently exists? >> You that's still hard for the developer Okay. >> So as far as the moving of the House goes, I think one thing that would be good if we could actually get a narrative of of the process of moving the house because it is a, you know, a predominantly load bearing masonry structure. And as you cited there, are there still items and play? So, you know, I was going to ask you, how are they going to move it? And and but I think what we really need is is an actual the professionals narrative of how they're going to move at the process. >> It's real difficult to get Johnson brothers. The only House mover to to communicate with us. I know that he had. Years ago. He's a good OL boy. He's like suspicion just likes to in business. So I I don't know how soon we can get a response from John, sir. Still her get a response from Trump's brother. I have been talking to them still harbors, writing the check. So they're talking to each other without. Maybe in that conversation. But I wanted to mention to bring tension is eventually to live in this house. I may have to read it for a couple years to get a cash flow to pay for the repairs. Could I need to to make it house again? Right now it has no bathroom has new kitchen. porches. And whenever anyone that your questions. >> Yeah. So that was one the questions was what is going to be the use the house. But so it's going to be residential some renovation work. Yes, no doubt that will happen to it. >> And then we take it a map on >> That was supposed to show the travel route. But there wasn't actually in line work on it to show the travel around. >> That that's correct. I thought I did include the map. That was because it hasn't been determined yet. But asked me first, it was there for an appreciation of the complexity cost >> Yeah. Haha. Let's go do it. I think that that's that's all the questions I have for Mister Viniar in there. I it. And everything shun like gave did if it's moved brick by brick. It's likely that a lot of few regional group will done in may be get the soft left that. That's nothing historic house that it's going. >> We're a couple quick questions. The first one as it and maybe you're not the one. It somebody else that's here. Kind of sir. I have this in mind that for some reason before when when the topic of this whole have come up, but not all of it was original. That was a portion of those that some point later. Also, there's a of controversy about the ports. There's as insurance of the city from 2013, Susan seen the one from 2000. I'm sorry, 1925. But I've seen the one from 1913, and shows clearly that there's something on the back and there's on the front. It doesn't go into that detail. But it shows that structure was there of some sort which we've got to assume is to win structure of the current views on the The photo of too. coughing or just leaving the. And House members already said that he can preserve that in the move. Because it's and actually it's in some 2 posts. So was evidently a porch that was in closed over the years. And it's not part of original foundation. ? I have more to do. Once final. If there is one main to relocate home. portion of love you because it seemed to be fairly dense. then some there. So so pretty major so canopy tree. Did your your canopy referring to? If you look at pictures of that lock Earth. was total trees except 2 years ago. Remember, we had a freak tornado. Tornado dropped 2 places. My wife was the second place. It took out 10 trees for make benefit in the end. But that changed the canopy of of that plot significantly. There are 3 trees in. I. >> The or trees between the house and some 23. 58 empty lot next to And I hope to meet with the arborist next week or 2 as to the ramifications of those 3 trees. There. Just just the tree. 3. >> This truck chirs masonry. They're solid right? >> They're hollow. I'm hearing from the audience. The rest, a gated book. It says a lot. They typically any have. steal by that time right? It's mainly the strength of the border. And part of the House. Means and method. You have to be submitted to the city. >> Yes, that's a separate construction, if you will permit for moving the house and then also the permit to relocate and reestablish it separately. So it is. If you will, this administrative decision is. Proceeds will be eventually very technical approval. I don't want to ever come back No, ma'am. >> The E if the if it's accepted today. I could certainly update you and keep you apprised of everything. When with the Johnson Brothers each year ago, they did. >> Fuel any concern about splitting it in half 2 halves effectively. work. Comments. Many. >> I have question. Just discussion comments that you have any additional no, sir. If I may, Mister favorite, would you like me to ask Mister River to join an okay if you wouldn't mind coming and speaking on the microphone. Thank you. Thank you, John. Thank you. Thank. knows is not normal. But Dave Baver for the record, I was working for the county when the doctor Wilson houses relocated right around the corner from this with the same block, I was probably built by Galpin Ford Doctor Wilson and around the same era and that it does not have any stealing it and was moved up to Honore the ridge. And there was no issues with the relocation of that. Moving to there. It was somebody Johnson and rivers. So. That helps if your question think, okay, sure. ? I'm not ready to make a motion you yes. We have to make a motion. the motion V. I believe your craft students office. >> Give us the rundown on what the things we can do. Our you can approved it. You can't deny you can request more time. I'm for it to come back. That affect this. Theoretically, we could still have discussion on the second item and with the understanding that this would be coming back to you. >> I move that we that take more time. To review the application. Perhaps get additional information. I'm not sure if this spring. >> For the secretary to make this comment. I was going to say you approve it contingent upon receiving more information or you know, completed acceptable building permit. But if your concerns are specific chief, how the House would be separated, which is what I'm sensing and I wonder if discussion is an appropriate so that you could determine which means you would feel would be acceptable so that mister from Iran. And financial parties know how to move forward if you're going to be vehemently opposed to block by block moving, that would be helpful to know and so on. If you're prepared to have that kind of conversation. >> My concern is that they start to move in. They destroy it. And is. And it's irreparable. What happens to it? In which case wasn't, was it better to leave it there and continue to find other solutions? >> And I own and that only reminding you that the commission has given approval to demolish it. So that and I believe developing parties are advancing stage where they I presume be more inclined to demolish it them to person. Hasn't there been an agreement? >> Between the city and the developer for the developer to? >> That is correct. that will be used. We're activities related to the moving the relocation and reestablishment. >> If the house is damaged and the process and it ends up that there are placing materials needed in order to finish constructing it its new location. Does it maintain its designation? Yes, that is it very good question. I've asked that question as Does it maintain its designation after its relocated? It doesn't have the integrity of place anymore. >> And I've never gotten anything definitive. I think it's somewhat subjective after the point. So I apologize for not being able to give you a clear answer on that. You defer up. >> I apologize, but I've gotten worse if years. Experience in this for preservation field. So so it it would really depend on if it was like. It could be actually under your code and standards. It could be reconstructed as long accurately reconstruct as long as no longer existed. So anything short of that would be considered substantial rehabilitation of which if there is, let's say 50% of the block was. It could be replicated and that would be considered a substantial rehabilitation. So I think that it's I don't that's covering the scenarios. But it seems like from the most extreme you could you can rebuild it as a reconstruction and in accordance with the code if there's. Fair amount of damage would be a substantial Bill Taishan as opposed to the mine rehabilitation that if everything goes well exactly is was planted is put back together. Damage to the church. Yeah. That's how felt like if were questions, I for a normal. so the building department, I have to. So the method out the >> yes. Yes, I hesitate to say have definitively that is about the structural integrity of which I know is your concern. So I'm not sure that even you know, engineer and stamped plan about how it's going to be relocated lifted, move. We'll give you assurances that you're looking for. >> Well, and also the building department just looking at it from code right? So they're not really. I'm putting the same kind of filter on it that we are as a star Preservation board. >> All right. So building department more. safety. So let's say that they're in the process of relocating the structure. Besides that, it's too fragile. We can. I think the house just goes away. >> Yes, and I think maybe if the forgive me for an ejector myself, if the issue is a concern about what's going to happen, House wants Kudlow didn't is being transported, which is, of course, a reasonable concern. Then that concern would exist no matter where the location is. That is being relocated to. And if the alternate is that it's being demolished than essentially one choice, demolish relocate. And then where does it go? If you have no opposition to a being relocated to 23, 58 Market Street, which is the item in front of you. >> You may be able to make a move on that. your your additional concerns. Okay. >> From the owners perspective, it's a free house. ? Somebody want to try make another motion. Just what it sounds like. A motion. 26 dash CEO Wayne Dash, 0, 2 consistent with the direction of the city Commission. Their discussion. >> So we want to see the means and methods. Your hands at that point. Yeah. >> Should we call for a vote Monday? ? Right? We have right. You know, we don't know. All right. Chair Frenchie. Thank you. Vice Chair Gonzales for us. Ms Harris for very good. The motion passes 4 to 0 to move the house to 23. 58 Margaret Street first, 26 year. Way too much. >> The follow-up. Still under Judicial hearing. Item. 26 page. Historic structure variance request for. Margaret Street. And regarding the the lot size. >> Kan says and what like to give us a description. Mister from. And if you want to make your way down here, contingent upon approval of previous item, the applicant seeking approval of the historic structure variance. >> Which has been in and acted by zoning Code Section 6, 8, 10 B, 3 V which was only adopted on November, 17th 2025, which will allow the relocation of the muck happened house on a 9,781 square-foot parcel which is zoned RSF 4 currently has a single family residence on it. It's possible to divide the parcel at 23. 58 into to individual lots and placed McAlpin house in the second new lot. But the second lot will be 4,007, an 81 square feet, which does not meet the minimum RSF 4 lot size of 5,000 Square feet. The requested variance will allow a reduction in lot size from 5,000 Square feet to 4,781 square feet for the new parcel personal upon which the McAlpin House will be located and as was published in the agenda materials in addition to the staff memo and the applicant submission, this request also included a statement of comprehensive and consistency from long range David Smith. >> The statement addressing the required standards for review. Any comments you'd like to >> I want I want to thank Susan and David Smith. And to see it. They went to bat for me to to get the 2 changed. ? I also have the limitations of what I can do and they need all the help they can get to to get it done. But appreciate help as Thank you. >> Knows, I don't believe so. Only only identified that this will be the first time if the board approves this. >> your newly enacted power will be in which is that you have now powers has been expanded to allow an increase in residential density as a result of the relocation of a historic structure, which is the zoning text amendment that Mayor. Was very working towards, although in the big picture, it doesn't increase tense. >> As you'll see from audience and the plan, that's exactly right. There's no significant increase, but he does technically fall within >> Can I assume that there was a notice posted at the site are interested, interested parties considering we got a It was noticed >> in the newspaper and then by mail to all of applicants with and I think it's 500 registered mail president signed for. Thank you. >> And as far as setbacks Co, if lot sizes smaller are there are setbacks that aren't going to be able to, you know, be complied great question. >> That also falls under the east very, very close. And we think it'll be inches that we go. Mister Mayor, over the setbacks. However, the historic zoning code allows for an administrative variance. If the auction is less than 25% with a few inches will be so great question. >> I find application. 26 H E a R one consistent second. The some section the 3 vs has adopted November 17th 2025 and the City Commission and granted historic variants from Sony has section. For 203 C. Minimum Sony lot size RSF 4 to allow relocation. On to a lot size under 5,000. Questions or comments. >> Chair Frangie. Vice chairman can solace for Ms Hart. And as Harris, for very good motion passes 4 to 0. Thank you. Thank you. Job. >> too. Class, a judicial hearing 26 Dash f asked have passed 17 request to demolish. master site file this that structure at 16, 16 Oak Street. ? He's >> Chairman, ask the board needs to take a break for a moment. Probably no one more. Very good. out. May I do an introduction? Yes, yes or okay. Before we hear about the next 2 items I'd like to redraw your attention to a document. I just ripped Previous meeting which was also shared as part of the agenda materials published for Looks like this. I understand that the board and very often the public share my experience of being somewhat uncertain about the strict section of the code at times this Tiger was created to illustrate the process is related. request to demolish structures which are listed on the Florida master site file. And it is a reminder of why the 2, think before you. >> Short, the 2 properties are going to be hearing about 16 68 Oak and 18 for Oak. >> Identified in the National Park Service Registry as contributing structures to Laurel Park National Story District. And as a contributing structures, they cannot administrative leave for demolition. want to cover and staff memo and we'll discuss each of discussions. It's my contention that their inclusion was somewhat in these in designated to stick to strict with someone and that these request for demolition are appropriate. And now just read a summary of the first item. If I may. applicant is seeking approval to a to demolish. Excuse me. Let me just that is incorrect. applicant request permission to demolish the one story House and 2 story converted garage at 16, 60. Kate, Oak Street, which is list are listed as contributing structures. Laurel Park, National Historic District. Now currently used for 5 rent. It welling units. Thank you. >> My name is Kyle Gabler. I work with Consultants Inc. And today talking about 16, 16 Oak Street. So 16, 16 Oak Street does look and Laurel Park, historic district and the these start, this turns to the National Register of Historic Places in 2008. In house at 16, 16 is listed as a country resource. And you're just going close up of its location. And there's a picture of the front of the House. So 16, 16 streets contribute. Laurel Park district, however, does not consider to be individually eligible. The National Register of Historic Places for for any sort of local designation. The house itself lacks unique design tax for materials, construction materials. And has also undergone interior changes. Also, some exterior changes as well. And there are no known historic associate current. No significant historic associations with persons or events. And although 16, 16 oak trees country to the district is not a building itself with high integrity to the ambiance of the district the police had exterior alterations. And isn't it particularly notable example of a bungalow building? Also some of these sort integrity of the setting, the neighborhood itself has been New construction within view of the building. There are new constructions million to the North South. And what's the building? And there are also multiple new constructions itself in the same block. On Oak Street. So 16 68. As an example. Early single-family detached, suburban home. The building itself is a wood frame building. The bungalow House it's one street. One story structure has written your plan on your foundation. It's quite a novelty. Citing also has a vertical would play exciting on part of the building as well. gable and have been shed roofs are covered with corrugated sheet metal. There's also chimney which is located on the east elevation. It's notable features the building itself score. He will vents and a decorative wood. Last design over the Gables. So the vote, the house itself was originally built as a single-family home. However, it was converted into 2 separate units which are being rented out. The interior of the building has been modernized. This also modernized flooring. As with limited tile and carpet. Some of the windows of their places. Well, these are seen on the south elevation and also on West elevation as well. Front porches been screened in. There's also a small shed elevations can be seen in the middle picture. I'm just used to house components. And some of the historic homes in Laurel Park replaced with new constructions, which affects the store, if you should, of the home. the building itself was built in 1936. Or earlier. The building is a one story. Wood-frame bungalow it which election the design, texture materials, construction techniques or details. The single family residence was converted into a to 2 unit apartment. It also affects the stark integrity of the building. And the interior has also been extensively remodeled. None of the previous residents or owners or anyone associated the has made for real impact on local state, national or international levels. And Laurel Park district has been altered over the years various redevelopment projects. New constructions. So these can be seen with multiple residents is seen on the Southside of Devonshire Lane. Most of these are built within the 2010 to 2020's. There's also new buildings to the North West and south of buildings. The Northwest and southeast also been demolished and their new residence is also from historic future of the House. Construction. Time by Stu, your studios architecture. Well, at a single-family home facing Oak Street where the existing houses along with an accessory dwelling and garage studio facing Devonshire Lane. So the proposed construction will also have a out was already present on the lot. The new design meets all the criteria of the Laurel a really historic district, which will preserve the residential character of the neighborhood itself and the oppose construction will be well under the 30 foot height requirements. Jon Snow movers state is not feasible the building to to the building's location size and height and its location within Sarasota. And of course, the contractor, the building no longer contain Again of all this is U.S. eligible historical features on the inside to to the extensive in tier innovations that have gone over gone over the years. And I but this is the home itself. So the stark, an honest for elements such as the windows. Storms are on the south elevation as well as the breeze blocks. Also be salvaged. Have is not known if these items are economically viable. Another in company was contracted or contacted. However, they were not able to of this. The home. and inclusion 16, 60 Oak Street does not appear to be into the jail but eligible for the National Register of Historic Places or for any sort of local designation. building itself has not been evaluated by the However, the building is being referenced as being individually ineligible for local and national listing. In the Florida master site File properties in the Syrian City of Sarasota database itself. And you see, I concurs with the findings. And just 300 building lacks unique design futures materials. He's undergone significant interior changes there. Notice a significant associations with person servants. distribution to the home has been significantly altered over the years. So some have in common. He's just I started by describing the fact that this had to come in front of you because it's on the it's a contributing structured in a national historic district. >> But as you also read agenda, backup, this property's inclusion in the national registries, contributing structure is somewhat inauspicious. It was originally characterized in 1988 in 2003 is not contributing to a possible district. However, when it came time to select properties to be included in a potential Laurel park start district the front and back house added the trip to be the result of the neighbors association themselves to understandably wish to have a dense or district. I also shared within the member of the residents at the time of designation for sure the designation have absolutely no impact on the fate of would have no impact on them. >> If they chose to demolish the property, which is no longer t