Downtown Master Plan Update Ad-Hoc Committee

he does. ? He's a huge downs ? >> Hey, Bill Ryan, Chaps just check right here yet we have you here on connected here at the meeting. Perfect. You can hear you loud and clear. Thank you. >> The bill, can you hear me? I can you. Jerry Jones is here to talk to you before the meeting starts. >> Gary and Jamie >> All right. So we're going for until we get started at 5.30. Okay. And we >> I call the meeting to order for the November 5th. >> Meaning of the downtown Master plan update ad hoc committee. Can we call the roll? Please? Lee. Chair bill would deal. Member Chris Poker. Member, Alana, Paul, your mayor and member Aaron, to Fazio here member Jamie, still. She did call to say that she may not make it tonight. Remember, just dollar Air vice chair can Xi Lun you're? Member Melissa Laughlin here member Richard Russell here. Remember, Sarah Lyons, your member, Tiffany She also called in. It's not going to be here with us night and member will era here. Thank you very much. Could we please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? to the flag? The United States? And to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible. and justice for all. I want to read the pledge of conduct for us and anybody else attending the meeting. >> We may disagree, but we will be respectful of one another. We will direct all comments to issues and we will not engage in personal attacks. Are there any changes to the order of the day? Hearing none. We'll move on to the next item. Let's does anybody have any changes additions or corrections to the minutes for the last meeting? September 29th? Hearing? None can I have a motion to approve the minutes we approve the minutes. Second second. Okay. All those in favor. Please say Aye. Aye. Any opposed. Okay. The motion passes unanimously. Do we have anybody signed up for public comment? >> I have received no. Comment cards. >> Solis, okay. Then we will move along. >> And to item number 5, a which is comments by the interim city manager on the evaluation committee, mister Bullock. Thank you, Mister Day full of interim city manager. First, I want to thank everybody for the hours and hours and hours that you put in so far and you haven't even got to the really fun stuff yet. But you're close. So thank you all very much. I looked over evaluation committee from your last meeting and thank you for pointing Melissa, although and I'm not sure she's going to thank you. When it's all over, there's a going to be a lot of work there she will be an excellent choice. I I thought this evaluation committee needed a little stronger community presence than what was originally proposed with 4 staff members. And Melissa what I suggest what I'm suggesting we do is add 2 more community members and drop one of the staff persons my suggestions made from the planning board a local architect has a good knowledge what's been happening in the city. And Wayne Rubin from the downtown improvement district. Also, you know, sort of in the heart of downtown and then on the staff side, we have Steve Kovar and Nick Patel Lucy, a So you have 6 people. I know it's an even number, but I'm confident that they'll be able to work to a consensus recommendation. I think it brings a good community voice and a good staff voice from a variety of places. I'm kind of saying that's what I want to do. And I'm hoping all nod and say, OK, so do you need a motion? Would you prefer a motion would if they could if committee would feel better about a motion? That would be great because then you have a right. Let's make it easy. That would be good. And I have a motion to. The 2 named Steve Lemay. And when Rubin on the evaluation Committee. A motion for the okay. I'll second. Okay. All those in favor of the motion. Please say Aye. >> I I I. >> Any opposed. Okay. That passed unanimously. Thank you for you. Are. And I'm happy answer any questions you might have. But you're going to have your hands full over the coming meetings. So does anybody have any questions for Mister Bullock before he steps away? >> Well, I'm just curious. We've made the motion now, but what your thinking was behind that? >> I just think the community needs. A heavier hand in the evaluation committee and a little less staff because in my mind as this master plan, revision moves forward to be successful. It has to by the community of all elements of the community. So we need to start right in the beginning. I think strengthening the community's presence. If we could hire the great expert in the world and here she could come in and write a master plan and gifted to us. And if the community wasn't a part of it or didn't have an ownership in it, its likelihood of success. Starts to get pretty small. So right from the get-go, I just thought it was important to have that voice. I know I applaud the decision. I just wondered about the thinking that that also that you wouldn't include one of the committee members. >> Another committee member would because we are from the community my only reason there, as you all Unfortunately, I left last meeting before you finished, but you all have an extensive discussion But how you want this to occur with the sunshine and so on. I just kept my hands off of that discussion and respected the decision that you all made at the last meeting and thought of who in the can cook what community members have a good knowledge and are willing to put the time in and perhaps, you know, hopefully bring value. No question that I just wondered about They shared sorry, Chris, an jobs. >> Norris. >> it all went and was just underscore, which is said date me she'll remember we had healthy discussion last meeting and we voted. >> 93 to have only one committee member, but I appreciate. >> The city >> I reckon mission of that discussion that we have went to the community. And I Change in Wayne to the mix, I think is a really good addition. So anyway Day, thank you very much for that. I couldn't agree more with that. >> Communities have a bigger say in the process. >> Any other questions for Mister Bullock? Just one additional comment. I think this to the conversations we've had. We're limited by sunshine and having one person in the way we want to do the procurement. But it brings to the table what we wanted anyway, which is more community input and voices. So. I think it's a brilliant idea. Thank you. Mister Bullock. >> Let's move on to item 5. Be an update on the invitation to negotiate our Jennifer and Renee going to make that presentation. >> Okay. High procurement official. So we did not receive 30 proposals like we were thinking really, we receive 7 and I just wanted to distribute what has been published on which is the solicitation software those firms are some of I know you have expressed concern. What if you have a conflict with one of the company should be look at the names of who submitted to see if you do have a conflict. Cannot. The other thing that was published or the list of the timeline of events. So, for example, you know, obviously we had open today. I'm here to let you know how many we received this week, not knowing how many proposals we're going to receive. We 2 days for training. Today's for evaluations. Today's for interviews in 2 days for negotiations. >> Since we have 7, those would be, you know, right down to probably one. prior to this meeting, we had November 5th, the slow station, a violation training distribution of proposals. I canceled that. So that's no longer because we really don't need it. And on November 6, 2, originally, we blocked off the entire day from 10 to 5 and now it's like 10 to 12. So those evaluation members, calendars, have been for those. And so as you see the other dates. So it's all published in the Sunshine. It's all posted. You know what, honestly, for the public to see. So nothing I am saying is against the code of Just one of that. >> Say that as well. Let's see the other thing is we are I know they're the last meeting. There was an expression of how the involvement of the committee and we scheduled on the December 8th your ad hoc master plan committee. That date will be inviting short listed companies for firms to come so that you could have a meet and greet dialogue with them. It can't necessarily be about their proposal because that's obviously against the sunshine. You guys don't have the proposal since those. I mean, public records. So you'll be able to see meet talk who they are. What do they do? What that sort of thing but not necessarily specific to the master plan. So you will have that opportunity. That would be after. So we'll have evaluations. We'll have that meeting. And then of those the committee will have the interviews. So have that come by at that. You will want any questions for Renee. Yeah, I can just get clarification so year you're doing the about you've obviously receive their proposals. >> You have the evaluation. You distribute proposal proposals to all the committee members. Then you have an evaluation meeting where you're short listing and that's on 11, 19. Is that correct? >> right this these are place holders on the calendars. On 11, 1981 11, 20 85. I'm not sure we're going to be both of those states and both of those times. But these are all the place orders that put on the calendar just so that calendars wouldn't get book that with the committee members perfect and on that the short listing. >> You won't know until that time. How many firms you're likely to shortlist? Is that correct? >> Yeah, I mean it because if you have I think we discussed previously depending on the scores. If somebody comes in at 95 points and somebody comes in at 90 point to the next one to 70 points, for example, why would you call in the 3rd? >> So it's basically how the scores are aligned. If everybody scores the same and everybody has a 95 points, it looks like we're bringing all 7 and >> okay so is its kind of at the onus of each of the evaluation committee members. >> On how they score each of the categories to determine, you know what that total score would be to see the spread. I should, you know, call it the spread. And then the committee, we determined okay. How from that? Okay. And so whatever that amount is, 2, 3, 4, then those 3 or 4 would come and meet us. Ed are on the 12 8 meeting and then afterwards on 12 9, you would begin interviewing those 3 or 4, 5 or however many firms. >> And then you would go potentially into negotiations negotiates shuns with whichever. >> Firms or firm's. If you're if you're kind of doing too at the same time or would you eat? That's a possibility. Still correct. Okay. Okay. Just wanted to clarify. So I can understand. Thank you. Welcome any other questions. >> I just kind of. >> I'm sorry, I some. So what sure the sense of what the to be on December 8th for the run, they were action committee recognizing year. I want be careful attention. >> Well, you did. Questions could be asked as far as hey, would you submit your proposal? For example? You know, I mean, anything's related to what they offered wouldn't Perhaps, you know, you know, great who are they going to bring to the table? What what the bill does the committee. want to ask them. >> Well, I know is it isn't still appropriate that talk about. >> History and experience. And I spoke with some questions. But then we have any feedback of our main reason. We have shared offline to you. Is that right or am I not? >> know, those where if you guys had specific questions, you want ask as far as part of what we do the interviews, those those would be the questions that you would sent to me for the purpose of the interview. So this meet and greet isn't the interview for the firms, right? Yeah. State to be careful like eat, can't. I mean if we're going to ask a question during the interview, it's not the same platform. 4, meet and greet. >> The goal for us to learn making sure listen, firms and educate ourselves on who it is. >> I'm not not include his the selection process will take place after. >> Correct. And it's also, you know, whenever you meet, you know, you might feel their vibe. You know, this is somebody potentially you're going to be working with, you know, whenever you're moving forward with the project. So, you know, how do you feel what you got feel, you know, with members of the firm whenever they come. >> And then that back would go to you. Yes, okay. Directly. >> It seems like it might make sense. And, Bill, I'm curious if you're going this direction to what would it make sense for you just to sort of have some framework for them like, hey, this is what we'd like to hear about so that we don't end up creating a Last thing we want to do is create it. Protest opportunity or anything like that. So how do we how do we steer clear of of that? >> Well, I guess my question to what would you want to You know, I mean, there are you going review stuff? >> That's what we would want to ask >> Hi, how are you? I mean, is we can't really that I think for me and you and am getting a little stuck with what can I say? Because what I probably want to ask is what you would be asking the interview. So I think it's good idea gets I some idea of we don't want to get into any kind of. ? >> The county if we if we create a framework where we're saying can, you give us information about you, your firm's history, your experience and masterful. You know, just general overview of kind of, you know, master planning projects, or is that like? Because you've asked for that the proposal they can't even go into, right? That's that's kind of the point. Whatever's in the proposal, you know, that's kind of the part of the inner point of the interview right now. I I figured I'm just >> trying to dig a little deeper to dialogue. Questions to sorry. >> Yeah, question, but it's not quite related to this. You train of thought. So if you want to come back Russell, did you want to add to this? >> I had another question. I can answer this. What's what's the point of a speeding if we can? Get any background at 6. >> Or I'm going to jump in really quick. Jennifer Jorgensen, director of governmental affairs. So the point of having them come here again is make sure that you can put a face with a name. You can ask them questions. I'm definitely about what is your background, Jen, to your point, we can put some some direction for you guys to help you kind of lay that out. So you don't go into that territory. The way that I look at it and keeping out of trouble, Renee, but it would be no different than if you're talking to somebody just on the street, right? And you're just asking them about themselves. I know to run as point. We have to be careful that we don't cross the lines of of specific questions that we put in the interview. But we do want to give this committee an opportunity to see who the evaluation committee has shortlisted. We want to give this this committee an opportunity again to just. Look what from there coming from where they coming from. As far again, just as more of an introduction, we did talk this with the city manager as well to make sure it was something that he was comfortable with because this is unusual in a public procurement. I know it's very for those of you that are familiar with public procurement and the rules that surround it we can't apologize enough, but we don't write the rules. We just have to make sure we protect the city in this process because we just want to make sure that the process goes very, very smoothly. And we do have restrictions that were tied to. But with that, we still want to make sure that this committee has an opportunity to at least meet those. But I think when you have a great point of putting together some guidelines and we can absolutely do that for this committee to make sure that we we stay out of trouble and you do that before the next meeting so that we don't get it as we walk in the door. You're absolutely yes, we are prepared. We can do that. Yeah. And will work with Tammy to to get it sent out. Everybody. And on that note, if you all have like Chris, you I want to certain questions. If you have questions, you think you want to ask send them to Tammy descent to be to see if it's an appropriate question. You know, working with you ahead of time. Yeah. >> And the bitters on the other side should also be aware of the limitations are like, you know, so that it's everybody's aware airlines for, right? Yeah. >> And I think the intent of this from last meeting was to give some visibility to the full board, not just go into a vacuum and then use that spit out a winner. >> So this gives some visibility of of where it is. >> For the home or face on. >> Renee, do you have any 8? >> which lost me. >> got Sorry. >> We have a few weight on the floor to just lay. I after do you have any suggestions about how long this will take? I know it. You don't know the number yet, but >> one of the the the last topic for tonight's meeting agenda is potential topics for next meeting. If this is going to take a an hour and a half or so, I a I would think we don't need another topic for the next meeting. But what what do you think? I know this is new. >> Right in. So for the interviews, typically their 30 minute, like not the energy not here, but like the proposal interview is typically about 30 minutes. So I don't know that you would need that long per from. I mean, you think a half an hour, maybe for 3 or 4? >> Oh, no, no. I'm saying like individually, 30 minutes per from on the tip of funding for. If you brought for people here now at the December 8 meeting too, to talk to us. >> I mean, Green could be fun. 15, the month. But I think instead of trying to to to break it down by time, I do think it would be smart to not have anything else on the agenda and the purpose for that would be because depending on the shortlist it could be 2. It could be all 7. >> So I think just to be safe, we just keep this is the one item on the agenda and then go from there. Thanks. Thanks. You answered my question. >> Or member Oh, sorry that the other Bill. Russell, I'm okay. then member Lions. >> I just wanted to say now that we've got this short of 7 or whoever all the proposals were. I think our committee did a great job of trying make sure that we had absolutely no. identity conflict of interest. And I would just ask the 2 people that were just added to selection committee also go through some kind of signature. Yes, something because I am concerned. >> They have actually received the conflict of interest forms. They they probably unseen list yet, but they've received the conflict of interest forms that they had to sign off on. So they have to review that with the list. The chain also is on the planning board me would have had that training and >> when Rubin has been on the did right, he's on he's on the dead now. And so he's had that same. >> They would have the training for the sunshine, the procurement conflict of interest might be something new to them. And they said Renee has shared the conflict of interest form with both of them. But they will have to assess the conflict of interest they signed against the firms are on the list as well. And Sarah's Point, the other evaluation committee members have not seen this list. Yeah, unless they went online on to bid at to see it. But that will be shared with them as well. Any other questions or comments for the bill? >> You know what the are you And just opened the thing. I was going to add a given. >> You know, the conversation we just had about the next meeting and what we're going to do, it would to me system with the city manager's. desire to have more community input. Can we get the word you know, a little bit extra through may be discussed. The CNA did others that this is going to be going on. Even if public doesn't get to speak you know, could attend or attend virtually you know, just seems like further engage the community. >> So, bill, the list of all the states are posted on business so they would received you know, electronically if they had been listed as one of the companies that we added or they're under the commodity list. But once we get another posting specific to that meeting would also be published as well. >> And it will be on the Web site. the city website. Yes, the procurement people in. >> A lot of people envision get the word out through all the organizations and be next. Just sort just finished. But again, just one >> Bill, I can e-mail these 2 or if you're online a put it on the projector. No, I think Renee, what he's saying and we can take care of that bill. Basically what he's saying is these days is maybe get it out to some of our organizations. >> Discuss like our condo association you know, or see CNA is our neighborhood association just making sure they're aware of all the public meetings, bill, that could be this meeting. But it can also be the evaluation committee meetings as that are open to the public. We could do that as well. >> I'm Jennifer. Thank you. That's perfect. >> Thank you for the clarification. That was kind of seller the the evaluations, the shortlist evaluations are public. The interviews are not public. >> There are public except for the negotiations. The interviews are as well. I thought the interviews were also not public at the about. I thought that the interview discussion like once you're done afterwards after you're done is public. But the interviews themselves are not public because that's when you're competitive are sent. Exactly. The last person has here. heard and just want to clarify. So it's just the the original short listing that would be public interviews would be closed door with the evaluations portion public and then same thing for negotiations would be also closed door, correct? So basically, whenever we have interviews and a procurement processes, you know, the firm's art. >> Her of whoever is presenting and then at the end, they all can come back together to hear evaluations of the interviews of the rankings of the interviews. Thank you, Thank you. >> Okay. Any other questions or comments? Thank you very much. Welcome both of you. ? 5 D says other existing plans and policies for potential discussion. And you have a separate she in your agenda packet. Listing other existing plans and policies for discussion and hopefully have it chance to look at that. can I have some? Input from the committee members about what? Plans and policies you would like to have discussed at a future meeting. And I guess once we have a expression of interest and what's the priority and we could. Yeah, In those out. And we can talk let me do this. How about if I just read through them and who's interested about number one, the 2019 parks plan anybody interested in. Hearing about that? Bill will tell you interested. >> And we going. I'm I'm a event. Ms. >> Okay. All right. All right. So sounds like zip for that. Was that one? Number to bayfront connectivity plan. I have an interest in that. Okay. I think that's a good one myself because let's circle it. It's been an issue before the commission since I was on the commission, which is centuries number 3, capital improvement projects. Now is this for this year or prior years or any year or what? Because that's part of the city budget. >> Yeah, that would be for upcoming years and could potentially look at projections even further out. How would it? Impact what we're going to be talking about downtown? A couple things. One, you would know what's in the pipeline. You know, in terms of of city projects. he eventually over time you might come up with new ones are new recommendations you know. So I mean, it's it's really at both ends. Anybody interested in that one. >> I think interesting data have, as we're looking we're looking at to change now, revised now, how it might fit into things that are already in the works. If I'm reading your right >> Aaron, you see is issue here. And yeah, anybody else on the side? Yes. Okay. All right. So that looks like several people. But maybe that's a lower priority. Streetscape design. It mentioned specifically 10 straight boulevard. The arts, which I know is that big issue for downtown residents. does it include any other? Streetscape design like Main Street or other streets. You well, this one is just 10 tumble over the arts. There is a main street project. You know, that's in the works, which I everybody's interest to them. and that's certainly a possibility. If you want to discuss it further. >> Okay. How about anybody interested? I would be. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Press. Jennifer. Yes, Elana. Okay. That sounds like a good one. >> In feels like it's the top one so far. Okay. The downtown improvement district. Does everybody know what the downtown improvement district is? Okay. Seems to be okay. I don't know what it is. You don't know what it is. Okay. So you would like to have some discussion of it. I assume someone could give me a. The sentence on it than that. Yeah. Be fine, OK? I'm happy to. She heard the history of the DEA did and where we are today and >> we shouldn't take more than 15 minutes. Frankly. And it's good for people to know because there's a lot of I think there's a lot of confusion about what we know. We do it. How were funded all that? >> And so that there's some interest. But yeah, that Number attainable housing density bonus program. This is being used a lot these days. us. And I think it can have a major impact downtown and is having a major impact downtown. And they disagree. Yeah, I trust here. I know. But yes, yeah. Okay. >> That's coming from meant to be more about our our housing initiative in general, because I don't think it's just the pain of a housing density bonus. I think in Steve, it struck me and my right. I mean, we've got a housing and we've got it's more than affordable housing in terms of the. You know, we could housing. We could cover all the things to keep mind him. I was on a downtown. Yeah. >> For double attainable in city bonuses. During preservation, right how many categories and >> I think looking at all all of the categories because I think that's really important for me to understand the differences between us to understand the differences because we need to focus on some moving forward. >> And then the dish >> and the local definition and local and yeah, well, I can. And the terms attainable and affordable, you get used interchangeably and they are different different definitions. So we need to understand that. Okay. That sounds like a big one. Number 7. Downtown zone districts and standards. And which is a separate thing. Engineering design criteria, manual. Any interest in that? Yeah, yeah. Especially the zoning downtown. Yes, yeah. And I would think the impact of state Preemption. Live local the concert a as well. My favorite pieces of >> okay. So that sounds like another big tend number 8 green space policy multi-modal connection plan. I would like to know that. That's what I'm not here will say yes yeah. Anybody else. Okay. Yes, that's there's some interest but not major interests. Sarasota Bay Park master plan. We could have a g common. Talk to us about that. Because there are wet through 2 more phases to be that be implemented, designed and implemented. OK, how much interest is there for that? That's an isolated area of downtown. Yeah. I think it's worth okay. It's we can we can put it lower down on the list. And number 11, the no. Number 10, the Sarasota City plan. What is the Sarasota City plan? ha. >> There we 20 plan which is a subset of right >> Yeah, that's the the predicate to what we're trying to do. >> That deal a plan. >> You talk about the comprehensive plan. >> And that's you need to not I don't know what that means actually. Is it the 2020? the company plans a plan for the city comp plan. >> It's not the downtown. We went all 29 chapters point. We don't want all 29 know we just focus. Yeah. Okay. >> All on the downtown. But regardless, I think that. I normally taking the lead 2020 match some sat. That. But we're in the 2020. The plan to go through the chapters. We talk about the last and the last meeting on how likely a consensus that want to come home. Tired. >> We go through that together. You know, maybe chapter by chapter that that. >> In point. >> Yeah. The the downtown master plan is separate from the comprehensive plan. Comprehensive plan is the city's documented really? Guides to the recommendations in the future we should. We should cover that. At least the components that are applicable. Down Okay. Good just on that. >> Yes, yes. Yeah. I I think it's important because we need to know It's it's not the Constitution, but it's a major strategic document and we're yeah. City charters, the Constitution. But this is a major strategic plan. OK? Number 11 vulnerability assessment and adaptation plan. Could you explain to us, Steve, what that means? You know, really it's really kind of like on the sustainability resilience side of things. >> plans have been adopted by the city that address. Deal with future environmental impacts storms and that kind of >> how about that? Anybody? Yes, yes, they do. All right. Sounds like that's a medium media. Yeah. OK, now there's some previously presented plans and policies listed here. >> Are there any of them that anybody feels we need that? Additional information on our clarification on. >> Are there >> 3rd party like whether it's from the chamber. That's done in conjunction with the city or through business associations like Argus. Is there any other like studies specially like economic development related that have been published or, you know, done. They gathered information from the city staff are from the city data that, you know, we would want to add to this list that's maybe not city policy. >> Or city published but would be relevant like. You know, just thinking affordable housing, how the community Foundation Gulf Coast nation and the chamber work together, put some affordable housing things together. So I'm just I'm just curious. I mean, that's more regional, but I didn't know if there is anything that exists say this and survey Steve, there isn't there a citizen survey? That might fit into a Jennifer's asking about? I'm trying deduce or night I don't. I don't know of any if not. That's fine. I just figured okay. >> Well, ATC. >> Plan that was put has been put together by Wayne rate that deals with the downtown area specifically. there's the economic development Really know what you're saying. Jenne a, you know, in terms of the recommendations are coming out. Those organizations has really to table housing. >> We're already doing all. Yeah. >> No. And I was using as an example of something that's more your party. So if there's any DC plan >> architecture Sarasota's doing with Harvard. They're doing a study of the resiliency of the bayfront and all of that. And I think things like that would be great. You know, coming from the subject matter, experts or even the historical elements. You know what I'm saying like there's so many pieces that I feel like. >> That are, you know, adjacent organizations, nonprofits that may have good information. And just in the effort of trying to be community engaged, that they might provide some good information. That's not our guy on this list. Like historic preservation is isn't era. >> Hasn't there been a survey of historic buildings downtown it? We've done a complete survey of actually every historic building in the entire city and we do have a witness. Tree. Preservation ordinance is adopted a number of years ago, which has been implemented that that would come out of probably years owning we can make separate peace. But probably be tightened owning that. We're talking about. I'm Erin makes a really good point. There's a there's architecture. Sarasota has been working with Herbert heard University to look at the downtown there in terms of resilience, the storms and things like that. A lot information starting to roll in on this is actually very good. And so probably, you know, when architecture, Sarasota still reviewing the file documents unknown once they once they complete said that probably would be good to bring what they've to this group from what I've seen, it's it's excellent. It's really very interesting. Where are they in terms of of finishing it? Probably about 90% there. I would say, yeah, they're very close to the timing fairly soon then. >> Would that be offered to ever is the sender? Yes. >> Well, that was that was another question I have is how do we want to time this tree want to time after? I think great once the consultant has been selected right? Yeah. So they can hear it too. Yeah. I thought so too. I just yeah. Confirm to 2 things that we've talked about previously that I think might be helpful as number one we talked about doing a demographic few of like. >> Of the downtown area looking at age and income and things like that because I think that's a useful. I don't know what the population is and, you know the facts and I think it's something that will have to wrestle with for the future because if we want a younger community or more workforce or different things like that, I think does demographics are really important. >> Does the city have anything like We do have some information, but you might want to talk to David Lowe about that. And I'm in the 7th and talking to a we do have some of that information. So. >> Would it be like could we bring it together? And you know, and I don't know if there's like benchmarks or something, but I think it's like useful to start together heads around that because it's something I think we should have the consultant looking out. >> I mean, we certainly can community system conditions. You know, as far as projections as to what's going to happen. >> mean, who knows? But existing. >> as city information, but then it's getting it down to the downtown. If you really want to get the city's easy to get, yes, number sense, it is easy to out that to be there. Access a tool that I could create an area of interest and it creates a nice demographic report that shows trend data. That's just pretty much greatness in the button. So the only thing is it does do a equal area interpretation. If you have to split any census block groups. So there's a little its order of magnitude. But, you know, if you have to say like, oh, there's this many people and it's all based on estimates. So some areas might be adjustments, adjustments, but it's it's very good data. I use it all the time. So I can bring that to you. You could. Look at it and get an I mean, something good to know your demographic from the census also to have sort of like, you know, basic stuff. >> I can assure you the developers know what the The EDC information would be good to go. >> got a report. You know, they can. >> I think that would be helpful to put on the list, the D C. Okay. So 3 additional. >> Yeah. So I >> The CDC plans make sure Sarasota, Harvard University Resilient study >> and then I have economic development plan. Is that DC as of this writing, right? And then the other thing would be the >> McCrary about the history survey historic property survey and study. And then the last one with them. demographic analysis. So those will be for additions. If you want to do like a. Get a sense of which one which of those are more. And it runs through that and see how many people are really interested in the economic Development Corporation. Strategic plan. >> I think that's important say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. High priority on that one. Tammy. The Harvard Study for resiliency downtown. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a that's a hot one. I think. Well, the resiliency issue played a role in the Van, Wezel Blue Purple Ribbon Committee discussion. Stu the demographics of downtown you about? So it's like we like that one too. And the historic property you? Yeah. All right. So plenty on the plate now. Right? >> So I guess with what we can do at the next meeting is and we're going to focus that on the meet and we could have at the end this list and then maybe you can decide which ones We're going to listen. You're going to listen to what you have a consultant on board. Yeah, you know, we think it's important compile a list and then we'll have it for future agenda creation. I ask a clarifying questions. So there's a lot that's like 15 and we're apparent consultant and the consultant's job is to sort of do the deep dive right on these items and >> our job is to understand because we all come from different backgrounds and have different, you know, knowledge, bases, read and subject matter. Expertise. So I would imagine is just to get an overview. I think it's more important that we're identifying what where these areas are and what the this list is for the consultant to say, hey, these are the things we want to make sure you're educated on. We need to be educated to. But I feel like they need to be taken that real deep dive, right. And just making sure we're identifying every possible little document and thing that we have put together so that and I'd be curious and that I this is an answer for another day, maybe in the negotiations. I know that, you know. Depending on how the contracts are written and, you know, not specific references are always good as it creates accountability. So I do think it's really important as a group we our identifying means, but also that when we go into negotiations or interviews or whatever contracts that these things actually beak attached to deliverables and part of their due diligence that they're required to have deep understanding. I've seen that mistake happened before where you assume that it's happening. But like, oh, no, never got that plan. Specht. We will. >> Find that. We will want to ask for other experts be brought in as we get into these discussions side from and there just, you know, taking their word yet. Exactly. Yes, sir. >> You I just wanted to to build on what thinking it would seem like maybe >> that they can tell not of the that the siding those various plans. And then in the meeting we had consultant share here takeaways from each of those >> it would like also since we're fading, the downtown master plan, maybe even spend a little more time. The feel a little more we need perhaps with the consultant go through chapter by chapter. But I the city. Can I on a 10% is I'm not going to be not that. I'm I'm the special thing in my full and for >> One question I have in terms of just thinking about that kind of big picture view because I know there's a lot of back and forth on it. Now with fun with a performing arts center and with a lot of different things as a connection of the county to the downtown area and their engagement across seas. And I I wonder and maybe Jennifer could give us some advice that might be helpful to have someone from the county come where Steve, you know, someone from the county come in, help us understand that relationship and engage them in the U.S.. >> Relationship for what? With what? With respect to what? With respect to? Well, let's be honest funding. Haha. How do we do with that? One? Because there are other. There are multiple sources of funding. The TIF is one example. Yeah, I think it's I think it's good to have a knowledge of that. >> But keep in mind do now, downtown master plan update. >> You know, and those those involved every year, I don't know if we really need for that. The county to. To come and speak on that. >> Yeah, it It's awkward. Well, I know that's why on Yeah, I know. But we don't want to make it worse. That is true. It feels like it. That's a different relationship that the developing plan and what you want it to look like. And then the whole funding effort. >> We go to get the funding at this point. We're just developing something. And usually it's a whole separate. Discussion between City County, even organization said to do with the funding issues. Jennifer, did you have a thought? Yeah. >> So I just wanted to see Jennifer Joints and Governmental Affairs Samosas point. If we're specifically speaking about to funding which the downtown parts of the downtown may fall into the TIF district. There's a set process and what has to happen for the inner local to request a funding that involves more than just the county. So there's a process where a proposal has to be made to the Bay Park Improvement Board, which is made up of 2 county members to city members and a community member. And that's where the request for any funding that comes out of the TIF starts there. Then if it gets approved by the Bay Park Improvement Court board, then it goes in front of the county approval and it goes in front of city for approval. So there's quite a few steps involve more than just the county. If we're talking specifically about Tiffany. And so I just wanted to throw that out there. Just everybody was aware of kind of how that that TIF funding gets gets requested. I don't think it's good for for this plan to go down the path of all. The county only has 200 Million. We only have 100 Million. So this is all we can work with. >> You know, this is this is a visionary plan. And where were, you know, so I do want enter. So it's lined ERs on our set, right or or or or limit ourselves. Yeah. exactly. >> I will say that and they originally joined the committee or was in discussions with the think maybe it was you know, and Steve, I was mentioning, I do agree with that. But there are some like maybe not the county, but there is some extension like places where if you draw the line for downtown, we're kind of butting up against like other city potential zones. Like, for example, the North Trail corridor, which I feel like it's kind of a runway into downtown right from the airport. Most people do take that that route and, you know, is there a possibility to explore some of that as part of what we're doing? Don't know. But I I do. You know, not on the funding side necessarily, but more like the scope and the creep of like where of those things intersect. I would be in Jersey have boundary, Steve, for that. >> The Dow up. We're covering. >> We do. I think really the witch and you know, you know, possibly none were valuing zoning to relationships of the zonings on the perimeter of the city. And we certainly concur that okay. Any other ideas for discussion. Future just will be more. I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure there will be. Yeah. Yeah. So okay. Good. Thank you, Tammy. For put those together documenting that. Okay. Then. Now the last item under 5 is committee member reports the Sarasota Chamber delegation visit to Delray Beach. I know Jamie was supposed to go but didn't go right. Let me Jamie. Still, should did you go, Chris will win. I win. >> Melissa, when Gen when Bill. okay. >> A well, let's start with will. Yeah, we'll can you comment on what you saw and how you felt about it. >> Yes, and I've been so many conversations when I can and can't say that it's kind of all in my head right now. But there are a few things that that jumped out to be so first of a different city, right? It's I think a lot of people compared it to if I see Harmon's was its own city. That's what kind of felt like. I sort of roadway leading right up to the to the water which had its own its own charm. But taking that out of not not not letting that restrict way, when I was seeing or thinking one of the things that I really enjoyed was I really enjoyed the historic preservation aspect of it through entire. Neighborhood of preserved buildings and even the historical society I thought was was very impressed. And I really got I of course, that is my kind of feel I really got drawn into that and I some point a couple of people asking asking me and we have one of these and Sarasota people that we within our delegation of the law. That's a really I know we do because I've been there, but nothing to the to the level of what we saw. So I know that just jumping out, jumping out at me. the main street corridor was something that impressed me. There was well, I I'm a big fan of our of our Main Street. What jumping out was a. The mix of not only restaurants but also different types of stores and shops. I did get to walk it a little bit. We there was a little bit of rain that could prevented further exploration. But I thought that was a interesting little corridor, the way and also the way it another thing that really inspired me was the historic black neighborhood and how it was folded into the downtown. That's something that really that I I took note event and really spoke to me of of the various different of how neighborhoods kind of could blend unfold and leading to one another that that was a lot that was very impressive as Those are those are bite. My top 3, a couple of thoughts as well. But yeah, that my my big takeaways. And I think don't want to be I want to be additive time not to say things that you sent >> it is a different to me. It was a. An overview just a I have to say this because this is really what I felt. We're really pretty city. We Sarasota are really attractive city. So we went initially chamber thought about going there because they want it. We want to look at something. With that might be better. >> And I walked away with a feeling that wasn't all together and that feeling it was pretty we're with, but we're pretty stuff we're doing is pretty dang good but so I will leave with that. But things to know is that their tax rate is quite a bit higher than ours. There are 3.3. So it's it allows them to do some things that we don't do. They have in their downtown. They have a downtown district. That is made up of not only businesses like the did it is but businesses and residences and they all pay into it. So they all have of up stake in the city and what happens in the city. Both businesses and residents I know that's been talked about for years, but that makes it unique. More people have by and they're care about what's going on in the downtown. The CRA is very strong there very differently. Done so there are a lot of things that impact and it that made it different to me is like this long shot. Just one street that goes all the way to the beach and all that activity. Is there for the most part. So I I we were hampered moon milk. Couldn't have discourse during the during discussions. But I I did follow up with the woman who rented ETA. And I also got a phone up with the mayor with some questions that I had that I brought that I'm bringing back to the chamber for discussion. Ideas. So I'm going to shop because I can go on. And Melissa. >> I the what stands out to me a lot as the pedestrian experience, just how it felt to be a pedestrian there and how easy it was to get to walk across the street to get to the And, you know, that's something here that I think there's some things that are master plan can help us, you know, get more of their is that that feeling of safety and that the pedestrian rules, connectivity and the feel of being a pedestrian. You know, when when the crosswalks on the main street, you know, they're brecht and raise. So you feel very safe. Just going right across there. So that really stuck out to And I think the in their downtown strip, an area the way that they've Curie did a list of restaurants and stores in a way that I think is visionary. It's not just build an who will comment. Doesn't seem like it's feels like they pulled in a low, Neil and and the steakhouse and it seems very it seemed to me to be very intentional and I also agree it made me also appreciate Sarasota. I'm like the great things we have going on here in the sophistication I think of are planning and >> you know, of our local government as well, how much we do >> is really incredible. >> I'm all good things to. I will say, you know, one of the top things I was impressed with was the collaboration between organizations. I see a lot of collaboration, which I was very impressed with between the city entity itself as well as the CRA as well as the arts organization you know, that I would get is a nonprofit. So if everyone and the chamber, they were all very much, you communicating to each other. You could tell that they were in sync with one another. It was it was definitely a lot more collaborative than I I feel like I see as a citizen in our city. That was a takeaway where I felt like we could learn from that process of being more collaborative. I also, you know, they interestingly, I liked the way that they were low rise on on the on the main street corridor was very low rise and you didn't sort of feel this like, you know, tall buildings right at the edge. So that pedestrian experience that, you know, agree with that just wanted to further it by saying that low rise at the street level. Also, I saw a huge opportunity for Sarasota. You know, they host the Davis Cup. They have a huge tennis facility downtown. It's in their downtown. And I thought, oh, my gosh, how interesting we've had the challenger tournament here, the pain park. It could just be so much more than it is. And it's great now, but it could be so much more of a centerpiece for our city and an economic development. Jenner, you know, economic generator for our city. So I thought, you know, that would be a very interesting piece that we could bring into our community because we have some of those resources already here. And I feel like they're really underutilized. And then lastly, I 100% just concur with both. Well, an errand. And you know that the the historic elements were just something really unique that I feel like we have some cool projects coming online like the Miramar restoration, which is going to be very interesting and you know how how do we how do we, you know, make a bigger deal. We used to have a history The county. Did you know that you'd see? I feel like that's an element that is. So it's so cool for tourism that we should find a way to sort of bring that back in to what we're doing, not just through historical credits and things like that that actually kind of. You know, can do the opposite, unfortunately. you know, that was very impressive to me how they've really taking care at the same time, balancing it with new development, which they're doing. So, yeah, all of those those were kind of my largest take waste, their CRA separate from their city commission. >> It is separate and it is I thought, you know, it's interesting, enough. I was in Cincinnati this weekend. So I was able to see some of their their 3 CDC, which is they're they're CRE essential in Cincinnati. And so I was, you know, just kind of comparing the 2 and how they operate. And I'm like, it's it's interesting because there I thought there's they're CRA was very impressive. They had a very strong person who came private industry background as well as had experience in the public. Clearly was making, you know, investments inland and doing strategic partnerships, public private partnerships, P threes very well funded and very well organized and put together strong leadership, not just your Democratic, which I appreciated same thing in Cincinnati. Not only are you are you CA Bling land together and putting deals together. But you're you know, they have most of their series have the parking infrastructures. They ran them and they received the revenue from them. They're responsible for maintaining them which helped fund them including parking structures that were underneath with buildings on top that were run by private development. So those sort of public, private partnerships like those economic engines can be in a critical when you're trying to, you know, fun projects in the city. So definitely something we should be thinking about because the CRA is separate that that made a difference. And those collaborative. I think it's a different perspective when you have somebody who has that autonomy being being able to make light decisions ups. Of course, they still, I think have to go. I'm sure there's approvals. They have to go through. But when you have a strong leader like that, who has both public and private experience? I mean, I think you know, that allows a little stronger leadership. You know what I'm saying and and able to get things done more quickly and more stridently, more creativity, a this is a potential topic for desk for our discussion. >> Steve, do you think? Do you think the way the CRA is structured here. >> Senate sunset. >> Yeah. I mean, we had one We have one. Yeah, you know, is that certain where we had? Had one son said it in 2018. It was right. Right. When I started here, I think. You know, I think it so. I mean, it's something the come explore in the future. I don't know. I don't know what kind of reception. You get from the city in the county on that. But it certainly can be brought up again. >> Well, I think it's all about, I think, you know, unfortunately, you know, in the past, it's it's been very crony. I think that there's been interpretations of CR is being very sort of crony driven like inside deals and like this is. >> You know, you, you know, we're using money for taxpayer money to do these things. What I saw from Delray was not that very open, very transparent, very visionary, very, you know, we've saved these houses, these houses for affordable housing. We're working with this developer to do this. We're going to we're going to get this piece of land so we can, you know, entitle it correctly and then resell it. It was very, very different than you. What I what I what I'm used to seeing in the past anyway. I've talked long enough. Thank you. >> And that to the list to Tammy. Okay. It's already there. Sarah, did you say you went no, okay. >> Yeah. A bill. Can you speak a little bit louder and you've been speaking cause we lose you occasionally. >> Sure. Sorry, house. Then that better. >> Yes, yes. >> Yeah. Yet just couple of things and agrees when everyone you know, honestly, my grab, some nations are related So they're a little bit. >> They probably follow the master plan. Maybe the plan update on the front and stage in the future execution. Think but >> you know, Jane, I agree with private partnership on the same thing. Important me to know. Important for execution lives. I agree comment about funding from the county. You you know, take it as county. So some sort of way too. It helps them. And king. And if them too fund execution of a millimeter and the updated for and then thing really stood out to me like the conversation you know, how tough the summertime the offseason is that you guys can probably will occur. And I've 50 times this last summer was and it was. And so idea of things that we can do that can support in a special in the season, whether it's for family, whether it's partnering with the the the colleges from the North Trail whatever. Again, those things are sort execution strategies that maybe they're completely the plan that can find a place for future execution happening them. So that once are my takeaway. >> Bill, thank you for bringing that up because we actually walked away from that. The chamber and we are already in meetings about summer programs. Together with the in a partnership. >> Well, I recently heard from a restaurant here in town that September was even worse than the summer. Was that? >> It was. Have you heard I have debt. >> be interesting to find out why. >> Well, I know from many real estate standpoint, September is always the slowest August and then Yeah, the hardest as all of you know, we all scratched heads and talk about what, what, Tony, on. >> But there are a lot of reasons why I think the hurricanes for sure, the people who did not return because of the hurricanes, those that were visitors and those who live here who now have their lots for sale, for example, for for downtown. Lido all lot of people didn't come back. A lot of our building and some of them hoping finish building by the end of this year. So it great. All the other. Yeah. We kind of have the post COVID bump. You know of everyone. Penn Top and I think 1, 3, 2, through 3 was kind of like an abnormality. And then everyone was like yea, let's go to Italy now. >> So I feel like we have this, you know, that we have these unrealistic crazy Wild Lake Summers. >> 2019, right. If you go back to 2019, it's probably more in line with where we were at this summer, which is more normal thing out, trying to find some measure. But but a lot there, there were just the whole conflict things in and everybody did go to Italy. I think that month. But hi to everybody. Every picture I got, I'm Facebook. They were in Italy the and and I'm hoping that it was, you know, we're we're trying to work on things now to make it better downtown for the next summer. But >> that was probably I think it would send a chill when you heard Mike won't say some were summaries, haven't 30 years? >> Well, it would be interesting to have if there's anything that the dead or the chamber has in terms of those numbers that we could look at. Even anonymous tip, bring to the consult on because I think that's really important information for them to have a chase at them. Well, Jennifer said something and I think it fits in with what you just said. And that is. >> The curing of the retail downtown and that I know has been a discussion here in town because I've been here 35 years. But I wonder if that's a topic. How do we get retail to come downtown and the kind of retail we want? Is there some we have private ownership from from begins with that. Yes, properties and they have to be willing to jump in. We didn't get a very small thing when you're everybody. 5. >> $1000 grants to fix up their front, front door specifically for that. But when you get down to it, if you look at owns most of the property is a couple people. >> When it's almost thinking about, I think in and this is where ties to that economic development being a visionary tool. You know, part of the plan has to be if we want to be this, we have to put in place the the the incentives and the support to get there. So it's worth the private owners. You know, it's actually becomes a benefit for them to incentivize them, you know, to move to this, curing experience. >> Yeah, that's that would be an interesting discussion to have with. Yeah. The private property the from the city of Pasadena. Yeah. Exactly. That changed around. >> And maybe we can bring them in because Bob Gibbs >> Did a a >> retail guy and he was very visionary. And here's the 3 and very practical. Here's the 3 things you need to do to get there. He did. That is part of the one of the lecture series and but it be great to have the as well. I would love to see that. And I think it's very yeah. I think it's a shift for the city of Sarasota to start thinking in that visionary and curative way. Yeah. >> We also put on the list in the contracts that they have to go back and watch all of these meetings. So they get all this good. >> All of >> Require a ring >> And and one point. But the bill may just to make and ties to what we just talked about in terms of the care of. But we should also find a way to summary way really talk about some of the other competitive advantages of the city that fall outside of downtown the the Ringling College because there might be elements of that that we can connect to downtown Selby, which may fall under downtown motor. Just whatever those key 10 things are just to notice because we may want to build connections to downtown with those Yeah. Well, that's >> good fodder more discussion. Yeah, I I really like that because it's been going on for years and years. I'd love to have a full service drug store downtown or a hardware store. We Yeah. We used to have one. And a department store. >> And the goal, I think. >> We used to have one Moss brothers would be set the corner. Maine and Washington. >> The goal I think would be to have these