Development Review Committee

and justice for all. But course, roll call, please. This here. Mister Christie. Mister this bit here. And then Mister Clermont should be on Can you hear us? >> Yes, can. And I am here. Thank you. All right. We have a request for changes to the order of the A diverse request from >> applicant. 26 ATP 0, 5, which is 18. 99 for to go first. Other than that with any requests. >> Yes, I was going to recommend that the legislative item be moved to the end of the agenda just because that's a staff only item. >> Okay. So so so would a 10 to 9 for Ville vocal hotel. And finally, the recovery residences. That's up to forget that acceptable to sure. Yes. Okay. Okay. All With are set to put a We may disagree, but we will be respectful of one another. We will direct all comments tissues. And suggested time limits for each petition, a received a request from a member of the public for extension from 3 to 4 minutes. Which I think is totally fine is it's a I would say in general we can do that. It's It was particularly for a team in an But it applied to everybody. The court set up Yes, yes. All right. And then Mister Shames it. Would you please administer the oath on the is planned to speak to them? Yes, you weep speaking from the board today. Please rise. >> And raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony evidence or factual representations you're about to give. We're presenting the play more during this hearing held this 19th day of August 2026. are truthful. Excellent. And then the explanation for causes your additional process. A quasi judicial hearing is a slightly more formal hearing that legislative public hearing there are parties to the quasi judicial hearing. The parties include the applicant, the city and anyone who has applied for a for affected person status under the criteria of the city. Zoning go a proper evidence. Testimony expert testimony in Doctor Jerry evidence parties have the opportunity to cross examine opposing parties and to present a closing rebuttal argument. The decision of the plane board and was additional hearing must be based on the confidence, substantial evidence in the record and the board must apply the standards of review in the zoning code relating to the type of approval requested. At the beginning of the public hearing. Board members will indicate if they had any ex parte communications in any of the matters that is contact with any parties outside the public hearing today. So we will now ask each board member if it had any ex parte communications on any of the questions you just matters before them today. >> No, but I formally represent the developer. One of the properties, the number 3 on our agenda, isn't there? Some members called? So I. >> Nothing worked for them. Don't really represent time. But just have represented them in the past. represent. And is that hinder your ability to consider the matter fairly and impartially. >> I I did speak Eric Arroyo, but other than not know. >> I spoke with off an officer the boulevard condominium. And the conversation was limited to telling them how to file for affect a person's status. >> is communication into your ability to consider the matter fairly and impartially to know? Thank you. No, I have not. Thank Mister up. Any >> consider its was but also afternoon have a couple questions about 1000 words. So from that now, OK, thank you. >> An infected person status. Affected There's sorry there, too. I believe both on the 1000 north matters. Let's. 26 a SP 0, 6, And so when a matter is, is that first Sorry about that? So that matters called Caldwell will call them there. There were 2 people that signed up >> And with that will kick off cause. Additional public hearing for 80 per se yet. 26 ATP 0, 5, So could the applicant please come down? I think it serves or 6 old. My apologizes. Their sons. Afternoon play Please state your name for the record My name is Phillip Di Maria certified planner with Kimley-horn and the agent for the Applicant. Personal Development. >> Perfoming certified planner with Kimley-horn and the agent for the outcome. >> sticker on Eastern with a car Merrill here on behalf of the applicant. Thank you very much. And thank you for your time this afternoon. Were here before you to to planning board of adjustments, request for 18. 99 for Bill Road we represent a larger team led by the contract purchaser and developer Bristol Development Group based out of Nashville, Tennessee. The architect for the project support for Texture. They're based in Richmond, Virginia. I'm Patrick introduced himself and course, I'm Brooke and Work with Kimley-horn. we do have other members of the team here, architects, landscape, architects civil engineers. If it matters come up today that you wish to discuss. So the 2 before you are first related to access So there's a code requirement in the city zoning code that states that there's a requirement for parking the access from secondary streets or alleys when possible parting is access from us U.S. primary street. There shall only be one point of access. We are requesting 2 points of access for the project and both would be on secondary streets and all going to why that's necessary. From our perspective shortly. The second adjustments for parking in the second layer the code requirement is that within the downtown that garages be located 3rd layer, which is a nuance zoning, termed basically mean must be set back 20 feet from the facade of the building. And our judgment when, of course, provide relief from that requirement in a very small section of our part, Raj, which will review in greater detail to begin. I would like to provide just overall contacts for why we've in this place. Where before you today, you know, the site was initially in front of us is a design team a little over 8 months ago and we reviewed the site was owning code and all the all the aspects of that to come up with a design that's in front of you today. And that's the question of what right? What occurs on the site. And then adjustments are really the how. So this is the really the culmination of a longer timeline. And I want to be clear also that there is a site plan that has partial sign on from DRC. But these planning board adjustments. It's good context, but that those obviously are the subject of a hearing today. So little bit about the You all probably very familiar with the located between Fruitville and 4th street Spring Gillespie Avenue and for road. The site has a future land use of urban edge. As it transitions from downtown core. On the South side, we consider our traditional downtown to the urban neighborhood located to the North. This has been the zoning for close to 25 years, of course, with the 20 plan and the ideas that you would provide a transition from court moving into neighborhoods to the North. That same future land use category is implemented through zoning districts. We have a downtown at zone district for the site once again transitioning from downtown core to the south to downtown neighborhood, which is located to the north, the traditional Park neighborhood. I'm also in the zoning code is the requirement for primary streets. And this one is interesting because of our our parcel of this project has the contacts of having primary streets on 3 sides of that Gillespie avenues, the only secondary street and the code would say, hey, look, you've got to take access off of Gillespie Avenue. There are 2 grand juries that are located off in an area where that access point would be taken care of. And that's really the crux of why these adjustments are in front of you today. I hope that wasn't lost on you in the staff report. Okay. A little bit about the site itself, right over all contacts. Looking at what what exists out there today looking at existing conditions when thinking about how to how to design a site. So we recognize that parking areas were fragmented. The kind of and many different places. The infrastructure was really lacking on 4th street and other areas. There's no sidewalks. There's underground pipes. You can see that in the picture in the bottom right that are partially exposed. There's a lot of on the property parking material. That's not a that's not permitted in code today. This cannot be constructed today, but it exists in its current conditions. Those grand trees are beautiful. 67 inch grant reason a 70 inch grant located centrally. But in the northeastern portion of the site, we think they might be some of the older ones They're really, really important. Environmental and placemaking structures on site that we felt what were important to preserve from a development standpoint, as well as from the site design standpoint. There's that for pedestrian infrastructure that I mentioned earlier in the sort of relates to drainage as well. But that oftentimes washes out in rain events. And that's why it's a substandard material. It's identifying the zoning code. It's not like that's why you're not able to use it generally is because it's it does provide poor production infrastructure. There are utilities on site. We found the so we're looking at the say that there's a water line that runs along the south side of the >> provides provides water to the site that would prevent the application of street trees on the southern boundary on for Bill Road. So looking at optimal site design, we recognize that that water line needed to be moved. And that's located in our site plan to propose relocation. So just over all those existing conditions, right, these are things that we kind of formulate and think about when we get into design. Right. So these all inform what the design looks like. So when we went into our interactions to PA for important actor, we looked at this first generation right? How to treat the site. We recognize that there were structures on site that we thought could be really important to the community. We focused on preserving them in this in this first application and taking access off of Gillespie Avenue as the code recommends through this primary street and secondary Street hierarchy. So that's potential iteration. This was one of our first ones. The second iteration looked OK, let's say those structures go away. Well, let's look at preserving the trees, but still maintaining off of Gillespie Avenue as as the primary requirements detail. This rain really close. Arbors Phil Smith said maybe this isn't the ideal way to treat these trees with the driveway running underneath. It also only provided one long skinny method of accessing a parking garage with over 300 spaces that we didn't think that was ideal for. So next we looked at really what is the best from a transportation perspective and that separation 3. So that's lining up an access point with links Avenue north south, providing access to a garage, providing really great streetscape on Fruitville road by offering the road with street trees moving that utility lines south. And that's ration 3 that you see in front of you. Obviously not preserving trees, obviously know preserving structures, but this would be optimal from a fruitville road and transportation hierarchy. Perspective in terms of maintaining a grid and providing access to a garage to save her money matter what the neighborhood. And last we where we land on integration for which really what the basis of the plan was signed off a signed off by DRC and our plan that's in front of you today and that balances, all of these things. So balancing the tree preservation, providing this courtyard on the northeast of the northeast providing 2 access points to a garage for safe. And easy access that provides distribution of traffic and setting the building back in a way that Fruitville road really got to plus type of streetscape that isn't out there today. with consistency with the new CDC M. So this requires adjustments, right, which is an optimal from the developer standpoint, but it is the what we see as designers as being the optimal site plan. And that's really why we're before you today. Okay. So we took site plan and we met Gillespie Park several times, 3 part 3 times. In fact, the first was a small neighborhood meeting with leadership where we there's development occurring. What sort of things are important engage with your neighborhood. We have a second smaller meeting at can we horn where folks that lived on 4th and 5th Street came in and provided guidance and feedback on both the plan and also some things that were important to them as neighbors just to the north. That was that was critical in some of our discussions. And then lastly, we held a almost like a neighborhood a glass be park neighborhood meeting where we had 15 minutes. Give a presentation received comments that sort of thing. So heavy engagement that resulted in some real meaningful change, just a plan. So the first thing I'm realizing I'm going to come up on TIME, chairman, is there any way I could get a few minutes more. thank you. the probably the most substantial change was out of the 4th street Fishery neighbors meeting was discussion about concerns of trash and loading operations and how that might impact them to the north. And so we brought that back to them. Design team. And the scheme that we came up with was almost a shell on the exterior of the garage on the north side. And I'll show this in more detail later that provides trash like a trash collection area in the loading area inside a wall. So there's almost like a vestibule on the north side where trash and loading occurs. That is open air to the street like you might see in some of the other apartment buildings downtown. There's money that. Also resulted to a need for that resulted in the need to shift the parking Gray's parking garage southward to allow for for that to occur. Additionally, there were concerns about cut through traffic. There's an alleyway that we didn't know about that cuts between 5th Street and 4th street on the north side of our project. Original garage design have lined up the throat of the access to the garage. With that alleyway. And there are a lot of concerns about how that might result in an issue where folks would come down. 5th Street turn left into the alley and then access the garage directly from the alley rather than coming down for Bill Turner and taken to rights to access the garage. We're right in the left to access the garage from 4th Street. So just wanted to cover those those points. Okay. So back to the adjustments I hand. I think that context is important. You know, it's part of the reason why we're before you today, but specifically to the adjustments themselves. The access points. So the first one is providing access primary streets on for a bill in 4th. This allows us to preserve the 2 grand juries which currently prevent secondary street access. It improves the fire life safety conditions, opinion of our engineer improves to distribute distribution of trips on to both 4th and fruitville. So it reduces the amount of trips entering the neighborhood per se on 4th street but it also provides a secondary means of access in the event that there is an emergency and someone needs to get out a different way. And we do want to recognize those currently 20 access points on site. >> so passed. >> here it is on yet. Came yourself. This agreement. There's 20 access points today on 17 of those occur on primary street. So I just think it's important to recognize that there's a huge reduction in the amount of access points on this primary streets. There's the location of those 17 access points. Here are those options that take access off of Gillespie Avenue that could result or that we think would result to the detriment of those trees. And here's the proposal. You can see more clearly the best of you on the North separate access points. And then you can also clearly see that alleyway that I mentioned between 5th and 4th street just to the West and north of that left, most arrow pointing downwards. Okay. We have to provide compliance criteria is your criteria? We're better meet the purpose of the regulation will not detract from with ability or appearance. The commute of effect is consistent with the purpose of the zone city designated historic resource to preserve impacts resulting from the adjustment or mitigated. We've got a full analysis and our applications stops houses and their staff report won't spend too much time on this recognize that application of the the application of the regulation, the regulation itself for Secondary Street access is to manage traffic in a really logical way. We think what we are definitely doing through our provision and we're improving pedestrian safety traffic operation treats get continuity with the application of of these 2 access points that are requested. Second adjustment parking in the second layer this is specifically on the South This once again is because of that SUV. On the north side, the garage shifted southward. Green is the location of the garage extending into the second layer, the purple that you see at the base of your screen is the location of actual parking spaces with there in that second layer. You also have a clear view of the pedestrian corridor, the corridor in the interior of the building. That wraps the garage and provides that that layer human activity in casing the garage, which, of course, is the purpose of habitable space. This is rendering of the exterior of the garage. You can see it doesn't look like a garage with the exception of the the driveway throat on Fruitville. But you can see very clearly there are windows that mask the garage. They do a good job representing this has happened space. And it truly is because it is a pedestrian corridor corridor linking the units to the West as well as the east. Once again, compliance with criteria. All this is within your staff but we're better meet the purpose of the right regulation. The purpose of the habitable space require the purpose of setting back the garage is to provide to make sure that garages were concealed screened and have human activity. We're accomplishing that. These requests to adjustments are not intended to increased development, intensity or reduce regulatory compliance. >> It's about the optimal site plan providing flexibility to locate the parking system in transportation facilities where they should be the safe. 2 grand juries. Thank you. Thank you. So questions. >> I don't have any questions yet. Mystery House. Not this time next. Yeah, Mister Clement. There are a few questions. >> in the during the effect that it mentions the table. A formal and dropped the work before doubled in there. That's a different level. For ability for richer or are you intending to put actual for we units? was a 60% >> You know that we are utilizing the city's program. So there will be affordable units incorporated by the city's definition. 36 affordable units to be exact 12 of which will be rented to those earning 80% or less of the area. Median income. 12 of those will be ready to those making between 80% and 112 of those will be ready to those making between 10120% of area median income. So 36 total 12, 12 12 or the charge is consistent with the city's program. would you clarify? >> The white and is there. Are you doing something beyond what is required? Yes. >> Great question. I have a slide that I can pull up here. That probably does the. That's job here. If I could get the overhead and I'm not sure there you go. So this is this. Is it from planned view? So what we're doing and this is relatively new and that, you know, the ECM we're in this period. Engineering design criteria manual. We're in this period where the all the Dcm and the new D C M there's a transition period that's occurring. We chose to comply with the New The CM because it provided Fruitville road with we what we thought as being the optimal streetscape and so on through Ville Road. That's a pedestrian zone of a minimum of 8 feet of sidewalk going up to 10 feet of sidewalk in some locations where available. The manatee zone. That's like the street rezone where there are benches where there will be a bus stop that that's a minimum of 3 and a half feet. Up to 4 feet in some locations where the space available. So we're getting 14 feet of distance the face of our building out a minimum to the edge of curve. Which is pretty substantial. I it exceptional for for Bill Road. You're probably familiar with Arcos. That's a 5 foot butting right up against a This would be a completely different streetscape that we're talking about here. Thank you >> the coach of the trees that you show on here. The tree line. I'm kind of the question. What are you providing? Purse is what is required. Specifically for street trees, member country treasonous. >> Yeah, that's a good question. I would have to bring down my landscape architect to speak specifically on that. So if you don't maybe just give us a to compare and we'll get back to you on specifically what's required and what's being you probably back up there So we can do that, >> Look at the building. I do appreciate the are there for it, actually, to make it different materials different architectural approach. Stupid person would do it. We'll take Also. Is it along building? It could have been very much what the kid you not done that. But even in passing that would have been so actual interest of the corners where we rise up and make some type of because I think in the code your love to go up. Some feat was something interesting at the quarters are mostly in middle on such a lot going. considered it too, was why didn't that happen? Because it's kind of all. It's a very long road to the same light. >> It is a long run. Our architect when people saw that long run from the very beginning when we started rating as part of the discussion about, you know, these trees on the north side adding tremendous, tremendous benefit because they break up the massing of the building itself, right? Reduces the amount of >> Polk on the site and it ended up resulting in a much better street design. For fruitville itself. That's right. Our plan is to provide varied architecture. The use of balconies heavily when we can because of our location on for Ville Road. You know, the garage helps and the variability of being able to bring that hallway and being able to push the massing in and out certainly helps a lot. I can ask the architect to provide maybe some more narrative as it relates to, you know, inspiration behind design. But it certainly factored into, you know, our decision-making are are designed from the get-go. >> going wrap pretty quick question the very important that I'm bringing the parking the second second level. Okay. Well screened but why was it necessary to do this like I don't like every room had a counter. Really forget this considerably more parking than what is required. And then there's a comment pack it saying that. Well, we had a good for all for us again, sufficient parking. That's insufficient could have done with that. Can you explain Absolutely. So once again. Very observant question. So. We. >> We're trying to strike a balance. That a lot of discussion very early you know, from the builders of the developers program, as far as incorporating enough parking as and using it as you know, part of their program when we you know, we discussed how less parking may be favorable because it would reduce spoke when we started looking at the streets around the site, we realized that there was almost no opportunity for on-street parking like you see in other places downtown. And you'll see on this planet in our plans there's no on-street parking provided. 4th Street is a very narrow street Osprey Avenue is a narrow street. maybe could fit some on-street parking, but it's not up to more and certainly not for a bill providing on-street parking. So naturally the park, the additional parking that is normally present in downtown areas that you see for other buildings. This site doesn't have that natural advantage. So we needed to incorporate more parking into our program because about secondly. We heard from the neighborhood that one of their concerns was intrusion of parking into their neighborhood. There being a ton of, you know, guest parking on some of the side streets, that sort of thing. And so from a transportation and from an overall. You know, program and what made sense for the site over parking court, unquote made sense because it came with all these benefits and alleviate a lot of concerns. I hope that answers your question. >> The state regard the buildings are standing here. Now you have a shown some of the buildings to retain top He's nervous the score, isn't It then they were gone. And you may have mentioned this was sorry. But is there a reason why those the spirit of unable to be moved I know some of them have been moved before. And so maybe they're just not able to take What was the thank you. Mister Clermont, a Patterson sticker for the record. >> We started this process with the city for potentially structures on the site even before the design started because we knew that was potentially historic structures on the site. Those structures on Gillespie Avenue that were originally part of. Remaining as part of the design have been flagged a few decades ago as potentially historically relevant and work with the and current property owner. It was determined that in fact, they were not number one historically relevant and number 2 on able to be outside of the site. So I think the of the earlier Asians were anticipating that maybe those are going to have to be retained through research and work with the city was determined, in fact, that we're not a historic resources, according to staff and our research. >> This story one last question and promises that. So much that sometime early is critical as this that I think this is the most important one the selling points or 2, this only points are the so public a green space in the back of the building. And then also the 2 grand trees are those proffers because we can talk about them that you're from. You know, the other of those things have happened would be much more comfortable of those were too into this. A plan. >> Yeah, understood. They're not currently proffers as part of the adjustment. Part of the site plan that's been partially signed off. I think we could have a discussion about how to memorialize some of those things that you've used. Public benefits. >> OK, thank you. Thank you. Mister Clement, Trustee. I had one of the same concerns the stand, which was the parking. So I want to get into a little bit more granular detail. I know what over parking certainly considered, but rough numbers. Tell me your exceeding requirement by like 45%. So. What actual basis the number, for example, would you need or would you expected an additional 133 parking spaces, which is the difference between year proposed 4.39. And your 306, required on the street on spray or 4th or fruitville because if I'm just curious. And here's my second question. To what extent did you try to? Exceed the required parking to accomplish what you need but also potentially avoid some of these adjustments. For example, the parking in the second level because again, to the extent all your parking is concentrate in the garage and you've. Blown out of the water. From my perspective, required parking by 40 to 45%. I'm just curious like how you could pushed back and avoided the need for the second adjustment or even potentially. Many for the first adjustment. To the extent you could have had alternative access that might have also avoid the need to make the first adjustment. I know you. I appreciate the iterations of the project over the considerations. But I just it didn't come out. Where that might be concerned. I'm wondering if it was or wasn't and why not? If it wasn't right like the basically the the parking count itself. At what point did you say, you know, we're not going to adjust this up or down right? Yeah. Are just more more specifically. Could you have adjusted this down accomplished? What you're telling me? You. Believe you or what you heard from the neighbor to the north, but then not have needed water. We're both of these adjustments potentially. I don't know if that was considered or not. I'm just curious. That certainly was considered OK, I understand question completely. And it was I think one of our for suggestions, it became very clear after conversations, one of those situations where it's almost of of win, win. You know, our client, their program, write her first 2, have some additional parking internal to the building. Sure. That's absolutely part of the program. The neighborhood wanted it as well. So that helped as well as well. It seems like a win-win there, but results and us having to come before you and asking for an adjustment. That being said, the placement of the parking as the other piece, right? And we could we could study, you and we did study removing a portion of the garage, but it was it was an optimal because of circulation needs. It wasn't optimal from a footprint standpoint was not tomorrow from the size of the unit standpoint, and so ultimately the preference from from a from a geometric, an architectural perspective as well as considering program and the neighborhood. That's why the decision was made to to proceed with what's before you today. Okay. No further questions. Thank you. >> Was a little unclear on the minimum or maximum required from the secondary You kind of laid Yeah, have one access point. Is it true that one access point would would be all that's required by code and it would have to be on Gillespie Avenue if you weren't going to get any relief on Yes, so the could. That's a good question. So the code requires and the way it reads parking is required to be accessed from secondary streets or alleys when possible. >> Let's be accessed. A glass be as possible. All If parking is access from the primary street, there shall only be one point of access. So the code already considers the U.S. as it's really considering, I think smaller buildings, right with one point of access. All right. And I think I said this. Our engineer and after discussion with fire life safety also thinking about you know, actual operations within the context of the neighborhood providing access to for go road has 4th. That juror that was really the genesis of why we decided to go with 2 access points. >> But why is it the It seems like if you read into that the purpose or the intent eliminating the option for primary street access when you have secondary street access available. Is presumed because its preferred. So if you're kind of out at odds with the zoning code, in a sense are saying, hey, it's actually better to have primary access primary street access. If the trees were in there, we would likely to be taking access off glass. I mean, that's that's the reality of it. We would likely have to access points off of Gillespie. I'm not sure what that would look like but that would be the likely scenario. And I assume that's really want to do is owning it as we do a traffic safety. But traffic safety question would be reviewed at another time. The fact that we're point, you know, several 100 vehicles in and out of for road potentially rather than any secondary People don't choose to actually make 3 laps to go into the building. Right. So traffic study was big part of the site plan that's under review. A draft study has been completed and will will need to get full sign off to get approval. So it is being studied. Was a concern of ours. I think we've managed that site triangles work the way the fro works and the fact that you do have a secondary access all held. And it is also only right in right now for a road that also helps too okay. The requirement for the second or the 3rd layer and this came up in the staff report to and are there things that were buffer? And I notice that on the plans for the garage. agree with Mister Christie that there's just more space than needed, which is driving some of this to begin with. But then there's also a conscious decision to push into the 3rd layer on the Gillespie side. So must be neighborhood side and not on the federal side. I was curious why that's the case. Yes. So and maybe I didn't explain this clearly and and or stop me if I'm not explaining this correctly. The there was a concern from the neighborhood trash and loading specifically being open to the air. And that resulting in some. Nuisance to the neighborhood cars backing in and out trash trucks. There's been some discussion and asked or blanks about the how much noise some of these dumpsters with their overhead. Let's create. And so the so Lucian that we came up with team came up with was to include in close that space. And I may have see if I have a rendering of the north side of the building. Some might be a good visual. I get that. It's the trash and you're hearing have bubble on the south side facing Fruitville. You've really a wall, which by the way, is spender of glasses. Just it's imitated are masquerading as a window as a no, it's actually a real window. It's a best of it. So it's all in the hallway. Yeah. About. >> So there's human activity and it's folks walking from the garage to their units on the West side or or between units or to the amenity. But it's a it's a hallway. It's air conditioned those are real windows, a roof aside. It's not State Street. It's a it's a true Okay. And sorry. I just want to I brought up the 4th side. If you did want to look at it. So this is what it looks like on 4th street instead of just being open air. This is the driveway where there's a loading zone and then further to the interior will be the location of the crash with enough vertical that that solid waste vehicles can pick up. And just above that, you have to unit the Five's. Those are living units correct about that. for this 5 story building for a vote road and it's touchdown for stories for sure. I noticed I more of a comment, suppose anything, the allegations and the renderings, there's a a floor to ceiling for glass along the ground floor level in those 2 feet above grade. So most imitating retail. But there's no retail. I was curious if there's ever a discussion about including retail, given them were wiping out quite a few local and I know doesn't particularly pertain to what we're talking about today. But it is. Hard not Yeah, I'm sorry. This is on for both side. Mister, on that. Well, just in general. But particularly in the Fruitvale side, the ovation suggests just by use of different a larger base line and commit hating a higher floor to ceiling, even though there isn't one that behind that larger class, they would actually be retail when, in fact, is just unit some cases. That's first of all realistic because if you do have living is behind there. quite exposed along for first of all. But it kind of just tense at the fact that, you know, yes, is supposed to in his own weather as Rita include, even I know some required all asked my architect a Mike Ford introduce himself. I do want to clarify if this discussion of the southwest corner of the building, that is the location of the amenity and the lobby. So that may more of that sort of space that happens on the 2. There's 2 different, 3 different building styles and it happens repeatedly along the South elevation along with Bill. It does like you said on the sides of corners is can you state your name for the record that you've been sworn? I have been sworn in Michael New York on the corners. It is humanity space. We take 2 units out. We get two-storey ball. You've been there and some some some stepping goes on. >> And on areas with their units. It's it's it's it's a detail that we have that we can make that open look like it's 2 stories but pull that bullet back and you get spanned rule in the middle there. But it looks from the road like it's a true story. It's it's it's a detail that we do quite often. But that's the intent, you know. yeah, the fact that you looks like it might be commercial is. Kind of the point. You know this because men make make a little want to just make a look what? What that? The mission called us those kind of question. Why not? What, what, what, what in pencil out about or why it wasn't the case that wasn't included. >> We've had several conversations with our client. And I understand is that there is a lot of vacant retail investor and lakes as well as on Main Street. And we would want to have a detrimental effect and or have vacant retail at the base of the building. going on? Thank you. >> Mister Chairman, if you want to return. To your tree question, I think Kelsey has an answer for you. >> So Kelsey Shot for the record landscape. Architect of not So the way the new NBC Emory's you have of required minimum tree spacing based on designed speed of the street. for book, roads a little And then all the other 3 streets in the neighborhood are a little bit slower. So they have all the requirements. But when you add it all up, if you were to do the bare minimum street tree spacing, it would be required to have about 50 trees we are taking the approach to cluster them to create more pockets of shade. And so we ended up with about 78. So about 28 more than what would be the bare minimum. >> And those are all that Rachel I'm sorry. Go ahead. Mister Dover larger than what standard or require just kind of eliminating some of >> There's a mix of how up are sizes. What I look at it. >> Sorry to be one When I look out the replace or the caliper sizes for the larger ones were basically meeting the minimum requirements of those were providing 9, 7, inch caliper trees. >> In order to replace trees on site. We're 2 extra 5 inch caliper trees and then for 3 inch count, the remainder are 3 inch caliper trees, which is the minimum. >> all up. 78 street trees are 78 total trees on the site street trees. Okay. How many total trees on the >> So that include the grounds that doesn't include the grands you know, 80 with the grands. And then, you know, we had we anticipate additional you. >> We had scathing in the courtyards and the pool area there, but that hasn't been designed Thank you. I just want to add maybe a member Clermont. We have already asked this, but is their way that we can make the preservation of the grand trees incorporated into this. >> We'll discuss that with our client, I think at the break. But it's good point. Well, taken. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Good afternoon. Board members hope you're doing well. My name is Jenkins. I'm a planner with staff and I have been sworn. This project is for 18 million in pre Bill. 26 80 p 0, 6, which is an adjustment for property. About 3.4 acres in size. The property has a use classification of urban edge and it downtown The proper project consists of 22 parcels addressed 13, 12 13, 20 North Osprey 18. 26 18. 34 18? 44 18? 52 18. 58 18. 62 in 18. 84 0th street. >> 3. 23. 3.29. At 3.35. To list the avenue and 18, 13, 18, 17? 18. 27 hitting. 37 18? 43 18? 53 18? 61. 18? 69. 18. 77 18 89 for Ville Road. The contract purchaser for the properties as Bristol Development The surrounding properties to the west and east are zoned downtown ends with a future land use classification of urban edge properties to the North zone downtown neighborhood with a future land use classification of urban neighborhood and properties to the south of some downtown core with a future land use classification of downtown core. He's a surrounding the property or single-family residences to the North and West. The Greater Sarasota Chamber of Commerce and Sarasota County Visitors Information Center to the East and Chase Bank and Sprouts farmers Market to the South. The applicant has proposed an administrative site plan to demolish the existing commercial slash retail structures on site and constructed 5 story multi-family apartment building containing approximately 324 multifamily dwelling units. 36 of which are attainable housing units utilizing the downtown a tenable housing density bonus about his own code Section 6, 1005, the 3 and associated structured parking. The applicant is seeking approval from the planning board for 2 adjustments. Want to allow parking access along for building 4th Street. 2 designated primary, great streets and a second to allow for a portion of structured parking along Fruitville Road to be located within the second layer. The proposed application has been reviewed against the standards for review for adjustments pursuant to Section 4.19, '03 D to a through E of the zoning code has details in Section 2 of this report. Staff finds that proposed adjustments are consistent with all required standards review. And staff recommends approval with the conditions outlined in the staff report. Thank Any questions. Christie? No questions at this time. Mister Clement. >> Just a time to do but for a cut Trump told I know we're limiting the number her cause of this proposal. What I'm curious about is the DOT or they get pretty particular cuts and these roads are the involved in this at all. They have to be involved prove all of Portal for surely process works as consultant about. >> You know, where the goal getting a traffic study pleated. But as far as the DOT is conserved was their thoughts about, you know, you don't from Potential traffic or of Brian. One point comfort vote. >> I think that with a dot is comments that those will be between traffic and currency and the traffic study in terms of the >> Because don't have anything from them at this point, And then as far as the I guess this is more for somebody that would be involved in the in traffic or foot. eliminating 17 of the Mister Di. Maria's 20 no But we're going to have quite a few quite a few less, but there will be much tense. It Is there any thought to be before the before the traffic cause traffic. A report is done. This is city given any thought given the sensitivity as to concentrating that, which is just couple things like I mean, think the set. >> Sorry, this is all a sinister I think that is generally have a design of the garages go. It's the fact that it's a structured garage now moving away from the smaller individual structures. They're all being access separately. So I think that's a that's more likely what we see and then that will be more accurately studied with the traffic study for the site plan. >> which was after we get to look at it. And this is about adjustments and to do with what do with with these source. So this is, you know, I wish we'd have to. >> Yeah, adjustments are for just whether they're allowed to be located on the primary great streets themselves and then the actual design and specific location of those access points are done with the site plan. >> Yep. There's which would have for those who are just, you know, if we have to prove it was just solidified it to have that make up the at this point. So have thank you. >> Mister. I just have one question for The logic of the the applicant's logic is based on. Preservation of 2 grand juries, correct? Yes, my question to you is, did any point during the city's a valuation of the administrative side plan, did they apply really from me? I think that's section 7, 3.10, see the grand jury adjustment or do they do they try and do anything because they said they took a look at the program. For moving the streets and just trying to gauge. Serious this, that that intent was because strikes me as a little ironic. Usually we hear the converse, which is let me get out of having to preserve these trees and here it's being used for a massive. Over park, gigantic building. So I'm just really interested in what applicant communicated to staff about these grand trees. >> Of with this be a question that would be better served by arborist. >> Yeah, I'm seeing where she is. Yeah, we can have the come up. That would be great. I will say there were many conversations staff and the applicant about the preservation of the trees. It's something that we've heard from the that they really wanted to see those trees preserved. So that was community share. will speak for themselves. thank you so often the heart the city are worse. I have not been scored. >> You swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give the planning board this time today of August. 26 Street. >> As far as the adjustment, I cannot speak. What the applicant thought and site plan is still in review. I have not proved it yet. But that is their intent to preserve the trees. Thank you. And could you give us an update on what your professional opinion is of the state of these trees and what you're? >> Judgment might be. If you have one at this point about those 2 trees. >> Well, currently, the state of the trees to me is in good because it's not yes, not a good situation. There's a lot of traffic for decades. The parking lot compacted. And those are the 2 main issues. Any improvements will benefit the trees. I mean, they're landmarks. These 2 trees. Just make sure I understand your logic. You think it's worth it? Definitely. All right. So I just want pounding on this a little bit. So the tradeoff is a big building with lots of traffic. Huge impact on the neighborhood. That might be great. But it's worth it for those 2 I think that those 2 trees are probably the biggest oldest trees in the city and they are an important landmark. Thank you, man. Okay. Thank you. Husband. No, thank you. That was very helpful. For the says from a topic first just on the health of the tree is you are surrounding us. What they get for stories on the side on the southern side, which I presume would be more important taller building down the trees are going to be affected by. >> Totally different daylight. And what they've been used to for probably over 100 years that any concern here. >> building is far away enough. Overlapping the canopy, but he's not. On the draw. No, they just threw that. that protection area or that sure it's right up on it. Well, they have to prove some of it. But it's going to benefit. It's going to be much better than it is now. Got it I should know the answer this, but I just ask it anyway. reminders of what what is let's say that there is no recourse to do what they're doing here today and they wanted to come in and build a building. >> That did That did knocked on the trees. What what recourse does the city have to prevent them from doing that today? It would be the code and so. I guess if they make the code right, goes back to where I think is headed witches. What are we getting that and Rick, but why are we even entertaining? The negotiation? When we have we hold all the cards. I don't understand what am I and what are we giving away what we don't have to get back to we stand place. The trees have to be preserved in any event. Thank you. Simply put. So think the sense of Mister Chair Lamaze question, you can't build there and take the tree down actually with your thing, don't it doesn't. If the removals do not need the code. Yeah, I can expand on that a little bit. So you have to meet one of the 4 criteria of 7, 3, 10 in the zoning code to remove a grand jury. >> One of those criteria is loss of buildable area or parking area of 25%. Another one adding an additional. I don't remember exactly which but basically an infrastructure improvement building point Senate floor area, building area or parking area of 25%. Buildable area where parking area of 25% or another one is an infrastructure improvement or a new structure. And then they have to provide alternative designs of why. That's the only design that would work for the site. So it is possible that they could have. Justified the removal of this green trees through one of those criteria. Possible. But did it happen? No, hasn't been approved yet. This That the question is they ever seek to remove them? was mean, it know that that was the sense of my question is, is, you know, have they did they see any of those kinds of exemptions that would let them out of a 7th recap. Whether formally or informally correct. That was that was my question. Not formally for sure, not formally informally. I cannot remember. I know we did look they did show us an iteration similar to what you saw on the presentation. But it was communicated pretty early on that the city would look favorably on preserving the trees. I do also want to know, I think you mentioned you mentioned a negotiation. This really isn't a negotiation is just spewing again. I a site say, yes, I understand that. But at the same time and we're offering them a relief on to adjustments. And so in return, they are offering streetscape improvements and the preservation of 2 Grand Oaks and that might be worthwhile. I'm just trying to find out. I think like says. >> What they did in the first place, too. To kind of work around them given the constraints like. Well, as I said before, as far as the adjustment I I own without consent. Well, that the site plan has not been Still okay. Looking into it. I'm sorry for interrupting chair. No, no, no, no, I'm I'm I'm apologizing a fallen. my question that's all I Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. And Mister chair, we actually do have an effect person as well. I think they've signed a plea. So you have determined and have a 50% is that they're here. what's the process for that? Call them out and we'll just consensus. I was it OK? >> Yeah. fact person's name is Susan Collins. This isn't how as president. no, that's the president's. All right. So we'll move on members of the public with that. Wendy Goldberg and Kelly Brown. >> And just a reminder, we've got 4 minutes. Together. go And if you could just state your name for the record. have never done this. know, you're fine, but just your name in the I could speak. >> I apologize. I see some familiar faces. guys from owner of the wrecked his house there is some things that I heard what you just state your please call my name is Wendy Gober and that you've been sworn. >> Have you been sworn to do stand-up act? Yes, I did. Perfect. Thank God. All right. >> So I had my to statement. question could to as far as the structure is going for I have personally spoken with 2 different professional moving companies and both have confirmed that the existing structures are capable of being relocated while moving. The structures will certainly require planning coordination and the appropriate resources. It is not accurate to say that they cannot be moved. The current business owners who are renting these structures are simply asking the opportunity to explore the option. There are 5 structures that. We're hoping to relocate, allowing the existing businesses and the property's history to continue rather than having everything demolished and the current business owners are hoping to be able to give some time in assistance and navigating the process of moving these 5 structures. We're not asking for the development plans to be abandoned. We're just asking reasonable effort being made allowed for us to plan for preservation, relocation. The development begins. We have no idea when this is happening. 17 businesses, small local businesses. I've got to be out of business. The fact that 2 independent moving companies have already confirmed that the structures can be moved, demonstrates that relocation is a viable option worth seriously, considering at a minimum, the business owners deserve the time cooperation in assistance necessary to investigate and pursue that option, These are not simply buildings. They represent established businesses, livelihoods, years of investment in our community. There is a feasible way to moving, preserve them to our property. Just one mile east up the road. I believe everything every reasonable effort should be made to do so. We're all the way we are also asking you, missed it. As a developer. Pierce Month. Bear in mind with small businesses to allow reasonable timing for the rezoning of the property that we intend to move the structures too. So I purchased the property they need to be rezoned takes 4 to 6 months for rezoning. The guns are a community workshop. We're in our travel concurrency review applications ready to be submitted. We are waiting for that concurrency traffic preview which was submitted 2 weeks ago to come through the application will be put in. So we just need sometime, I guess. And we want to move 5 structures and we do have to companies that are willing to move them and say they can be moved and maybe we can keep a little bit of history Sarasota in the circus. You know, a lot. Thank you. Good afternoon. My name is Kelly Brown. I am a resident of Sarasota. I have been sworn. I'm speaking to today as the president, the question Park Neighborhood Association regarding for Ville project that was is within the boundaries of our neighborhood. I can't say that all of the neighborhood supports it doesn't support it. It's a. >> Everyone has a different opinion. So I'm not here to talk about that. We learned about this development from Kim Lee Horn in January of this year, recognizing the property zoned DTE. We knew the property was eligible for development into multi use fan multifamily and the currency policy does not require the developer to hold a community workshop. Since that time, there have been 3 different meetings and many phone calls with Kim Lee Horn, the GPA board members and intimate group of immediately affected neighbors and a presentation in our neighborhood meeting with 86 people in attendance has occurred. And our January meeting, we provided Mister Di Maria with a list of 26 requests to have this trend. Could I have them? I love Thank you. 26 requests from the community as it relates to this development. In the process we asked, can the existing bungalows be saved and moved? The answer was no. The current process used by the city is to allow developers to hire and direct third-party reporting. The city gave approval to apply to demolish buildings based on a report provided by the developer. The business owners hire their own 3rd party who says the buildings can be saved moved. The city process should be removed and corrected to mirror the process used for traffic studies. What better way to give our historic buildings a chance to survive and to have the city control the process. At this time. We're not sure which of our request will be supported as a final design is not complete. We do know that there are 3 that we've been told no that are concerned for the neighborhood and the future growth for all neighborhoods that are surrounded, bowed and downtown edge. First to step down to the neighborhood from downtown edge to downtown neighborhood. Our request was for the development to be 6 stories on fruitville and 3 stories on 4th Street to maintain a transition buffer into the neighborhood. So as not to overshadow the adjacent single-family and duplex properties, this would be a city zoning code change to improve compatibility with residential neighborhoods. Second use for street as multi use with business below and living above, like Citrus Square on Orange Avenue to create a development that encourages the neighborhood to embrace and potentially give some businesses an opportunity to return. We would advocate that the city zoning code should require this for DTE just as they do for dtc. There are 3 single-family home neighborhoods in the city surrounded by this type of zoning, correct. This issue now before future development has begun. We want to ensure the city and the development community recognize our communities need to live comparatively with each other. 3rd make all affordable units 80%. And my level for more realistic affordability. The city can also make this happen with a change to their requirements. The traffic study is a major concern for us. We have requested the just lit a match to others in the neighborhood to make the alleyway immediately adjacent to their plan, garage a one-way going north and south to alleviate having this alley become a thoroughfare. We're also requesting speed tables to be installed as a foot at 4th Street is already recognized as an issue for the neighborhood for the March 12. 26 City traffic calming map. Administrative review should be adjusted to require any future development in the DTE Zone that buffers Dtn or RSF include the type of communication you can use by Kim Lee Horn. Has this type of growth occurs to give the community the opportunity for their voice to be heard. Before we get to the Planning Board and commission meeting stage. Thank you very much. And that brings us up for rebuttal. >> They were affected person. So that goes back to city staff. And then to yes, we have some questions on that come I just want to confirm know it started as a structures on site as are correct. >> That is correct. Per city designate was there. No historic. That's a Late before you leave could you clarify for me the alley situation? I think I understood it, but I just want make sure that I'm clear on that. >> I believe I can. >> And the applicant can correct me if I right second, I got a foot to the right part of the staff report on the trying to use the overhead in a second. >> I believe it might be. >> These gravel paths here up a little bit more over here. It's one 4th. Perfect. That's the AL you're asking about. They wanted to to the entrance to the garage to line up with >> Okay. Okay. I miss not okay. Got it. And thank you. Of course. Thank you. That was All right. Lets anyone else I Thank you all very much. >> Thank you, Mister Kleiman. You done any questions, She saw it. absolutely are. Okay. All right. back to applicant, please. Could applicant. Please come to. Thank you again for the opportunity to maybe finalizing some language there in terms of >> proper, etcetera. I do want to clarify a couple of things that were and maybe question first was the FDOT road stars that you're too. So for a bill off. FDOT is a list of roadways. It is a city So it's outside of FDOT jurisdiction in that stretch between 41 and 3. '01. I think that wasn't the anticipation was several years ago. This question about for Ville Road. I sort of thing. So it was the preamble to to that discussion as early the We had a discussion with the architect and I'm sorry, I wasn't prepared to answer this in more detail that and at this. But couple nuances on the garage. So for Heights. So a maximum height and Dan are vertical space and our ability to provide vertical space in the garage. So that's why the footprint is a little bit larger. Additionally, the floor of the garage, the first for the garage is elevated significantly because that's the location of our storm. Water fall. All right. So are our first floor is elevated. And then our maximum, our top floors, compressed. And then lastly, there's the inside the city zoning for the most part are relatively low from a parking staff, not saying their best practice not best practice from a planning standpoint, right? We want to encourage folks to get out of their cars to walk into downtown environment. The it it is really thoughtful about maybe lower Main Street in terms of that being a super walkable environment. This is still on the edge of downtown. It was today. Maybe that will change in 2030, years. And because of that, the program slightly different So, yeah, just just see. Understand specifically the downtown parking code is specific to the downtown zoning districts. And what provides for is one space per unit. >> Not bedroom, a per unit, a space for any obtainable units. So in Brussels, significant experience over 3 decades doing these well, they shoot for is what they think is more realistic, which is one per bedroom unit that doesn't include guest units that doesn't include staffing units. So sor