Jan 23, 2024 4:00 PM - Redding Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, I have 4 o'clock and you're ready to go director. I will call to order for January 23, 2024. The Redding Planning Commission Meeting. Can we do a roll call please? >>[ CALLING ROLL ] >> All right, thank you. Moving onto number 2, we have the minutes from the meeting of December 12, 2023. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes? >> So moved. >> I have a correction, it is reference with 4 B2. There is the correct spelling of the name for Tim. >> All right, with the change would you like to still keep the motion? >> Second. >> All in favor say, aye? >>Aye >> Oppose? >> Minutes pass. >>I would like to welcome the city attorney for quick introduction. >> Christian, City Attorney of the city of Redding and I previously I was the County council of Mendocino. I'm very happy to be assisting the City Council's Department. >>Thank you for being here. Any Announcement? >> Just 1 of the matter of logistics. Our mics are not as sensitive as they once were, and they also don't move anymore. I know were continuing to work on that. In fact, I think tomorrow they're going to be trying to find tune Better when I was in the audience for the City Council last week. It was hard to hear me? Thank you, but I have really be intentional about leaning in and getting pretty close. To our commissioners and staff, if you could do that for me this afternoon that would be much appreciated. Will have them detailing a little better. >>This case. Thank you. All right, moving on number 4, there are no planning commission items today. So, we will move on to number 5 and today were discussing the 3 management ordinance update. This is in a workshop format. Maybe kind of preamble maybe I want to talk a little bit about this process or maybe process this in general. As they refer to the planning commission and ordinances. >> I'm happy with that, Chair. This afternoon, Mr. Manuel and myself will be sort of tagteam With this presentation for the commission. I just want to remind the commission also let our audience understand how we got to this point. The City Council appointed what we call the 3 management ordinance update committee. Back up towards the end of 2022. It was a whole Brown act committee. What that means is that the City Council appointed 10 members of the city committed to Work councilmember. And that we had 3 of our planning commissioners on the committee as well. In addition to the 2 members of our community service, Advisory commission and the importance of some of that background is that this was the Council initiated efforts through the committee format. So, that committee met as well and I'll give you details later on under Item 4. But the committee Met 8 separate times for December to May 2022. And it's important to note that the committee recommendations were going to start. Were going to start working through this afternoon. But this is the workshop format. So, tonight were not asking the planning commission to weigh in or take votes on ordinance language or changes to the law. Right now, were our work shopping Still talk through ideas, concepts and issues. I started getting into this more. We discovered this money And there's a lot of different ways that the ordinance could be change or not change and if you don't tackle Some of the foundational issues. 1st, snowball, and carries over in the subsequent issues and topics and were hoping tonight to just walk through some of the major foundational topics and get feedback from the commission and get public input as well. Then will come back in a subsequent workshop To start the fine-tuning. And then really changing the language of the law. Were going to workshop at the same tonight and subsequent meetings. Were going to follow the lead of the 3 committee that was appointed by the Council and then we'll Take ordinance language changes in the future to the planning commission. Then the obligation to act as the advising body to the City Council. They will recommend those changes to the ordinance of the city Council. Ultimately the City Council termination will change and change the very end of the process. Hopefully, that's not much detail. The takeaways were really early in the process were worshiping. And the work bringing audience modification the future. With that were going through the history of the ordinance a little bit for the planning commission . Reviewing the original organize and it's updated in 2006. Were going to walk through the development. Examples that might help me. The For what were talking about. I'm going to provide some recap of the 3 management organize committee and work that they did that and the end of the presentation. Were going to try to talk about the 3 major topics tonight. The candidate 3. Definition, the PR adoption and then Arthur topic is as opposed to the processor later in terms of So with that. I'm going to pass it over to can. Will process with representation. 1 thing to note if you would like to speak on this item, there are blue cards in the back. Feel free to fill that out. Gaitan is 5 a and you can bring it up here to the friend that I call you up for 3 minute time slot. >> And will discuss some questions and We can pause as we hit those major topics. At your discretion, allow for public comment and then continue the discussion. >> I think public comment probably All at once. >> Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, members of the audience. I want to say that about the process. We are just starting it's as Long as 1 can see. Upon the slide, the regional ordinance that I work on back in 1990 well before that to 2 years. The permutation a lot of direction. This can go anywhere Gonna be turn it over to the course on the next several months. We will no to that. I've been doing Organon's work for the city writing for over 35 years. By far, this will be the 4th We ordinance that I work on with the city of writing, by far. It's the most difficult and the most time-consuming organize that really the city has to deal with because of all the permutations because of the community involvement, community concern, and some that There's environmental issues that are always to be forefront. There's also authentic issues, this community identity issues, engineering concerns, property cost, housing costs and it's all wrapped up. So, I way to start this off, I want to give you a real world example. It may be a little hard if you want to take down those slides a little bit. This is a current development, this is oasis Road. This is called 7 bridges subdivision up on the right hand side of the oasis Road. The Northwest if you will see it's already been built but the poor plus Esther probably reproduce here a bit later in the topic of different discussion. Hopefully, you can see all the lateral lines here. Hopefully you can see all the trees were not going to worry about the Canada trees. Those are in red. We'll talk about those a bit later on. This is intended to meet general plan density as expected by the city is expected of course by the property owner who purchased the property. The combating interest in providing the lots, providing euros, providing degraded and if you can see those a lot of ways virtually every lot has trees on it. Every lot will have a house on it. Every lot will have driveway, ever that needs to be graded. That is, the drainage goes away From the house and not onto the properties. So it is very involved, very difficult and there's a lot of things involved. The next couple of months, the ordinance was 1991 and the primary intent was to design the project to minimize destruction and damage to protect trees, which was defined as any living So it is to establish permit requirements. Whether it is to establish . It has a number of exception. Were going to talk about this more as we get on but for commercial, industrial project, I don't want And I don't need to go through them all . These 3 arguments of the committee has recommended a couple changes the exception of the ordinance. Largely it says that if you're less than an acre in size and nonresidential, development your exam. If you're not a parcel that development to the maximum density allowed by the general plan. You're also exam. So your single-family house would be exempt under the current organizer in 1991, as well as the current there is to permit process set up on 1 administrative. This is where development service director receives a permit application from a property owner to remove the wrist On his love for whatever particular purposes. There are the findings that allow the directors to say that you can take down Those 1 or more trees. Some of them as public and if you set aside additional land that compensate for the trees you want to take off. That's a good But you can call attention the middle. It is want to relay most often. And it's not difficult plan. The 19th removal of the tree when unreasonably restrict the economic potential of the property. I will just sort... This judgment economic, financial, Sorry economic potential of the property or just perhaps I will say something wrong or less. Perhaps a property owner. The value of that. She may be Then we move on to the discretionary project which are use permit tentative subdivision maps. Clearly, the point was the design of the subdivision. This case should preserve the most desirable of significant trees. There was no definition up other desirable significant trees are. This is just you should do this and practicality. It was difficult particularly without a definition. But everybody has a different idea of what a desirable significantly is. Light of the idea of our well set aside some area in the subdivision. In this case, beyond what's required, be understaffed slow. It has stressed that's a good compensating measure. It's interesting. This alteration in 91, said that removal should be limited to streets and utility corridors, stormwater facilities, unless otherwise approved by the planning commission. I recall maybe there was 2 tentative maps were the planning commission said no waiting, no tree removal only in the street and only in the corridors. It was a nightmare because it meant afterword is that the number of it and it's probably Decreasing. You take them on place, you move them to another so you don't have to track off so important soil. Every House get built faster, and its own grading and that gets the nightmare. So after those initial report, The potential tree removal planned. There were certain construction requirements that remain today. They try to protect the drip lines, don't talk our park underneath the trees that are supposed to be saved. Staff developed back in 1990 and we got called recent construction . It's a hand out of the commission. I think in your pocket but it's also available online. For those of you who want to take a look at it is also establish penalty dollars and 3 if You just willingly Nearly Wound down. It also had a requirement that you can prohibit further development for up to 2 years. That remains today. That tree ordinance update to the review committee basically has suggested changes to the panel to say. We will discuss that later in the meeting. It also included treeplanting requirements. Once for every 500 ft. of our your single-family house. You can see that There is a commercial and industrial. And if you save a tree. It transport 2. That's a good thing. And in my opinion it is that preserving the trees are grounds for approving variance for building. Allow, whether reduction in parking are some of other things. But again, that's the discussion for another date. So, the main points of that organized is to recognize the trade-off between infill development. The 2006 amendments, it was a committee not a Brown act committee drive and effort. It is an effort to say how can you make better sense of this ordinance. They committee members will look at several things. Particularly, we have policies in our general Plan for infill development. The we have primary grad areas as well as secondary grad areas. We say were not going to grow as much as we thought we could. In the pre-90 phase so that rather than sticking to the old course. I will just try to save some trees. It came up with the concept of It is a very subjective term and will talk about it later. It prohibits removal of trees, 6 inches in diameter, height and vacant properties in the city. So, before if you had a vacant property and it was excellent because it was under an acre. It no more, and had penalties and were increased to $2000 a tree. I think the biggest point of those 2006 amendments had to do with focus on landscape scale protection of trees on the committee . Professor prom you see where Kelly who worked in the forestry program took note of the huge amount relative to most cities in California of the amount of Greenway or open space and we Have protected in the city. The point being made that for ecological values, it's important that may be more important than saving Individual trees with redevelopment projects. Certainly, he is not Saying the city could not do it but he was a big proponent of recognizing the land and redo set-aside. As you can see on the slide over 11,000 acres are classified as Greenway in the city limits and our primary and secondary growth areas That significant amount of land within that about 4000 acres Are actually soon. Lots like up in the West riding where they were. The topography is asleep and you also have significant setbacks on the river and stream corridor. So to give you a sense of what the Greenway looks like, hopefully you can all see that the dark Green is the Greenway readiness. It is proposed planning area. Particularly significant on the west, but weather Love over 20% of the floodplains. There also the Greenway, they are restricted, Large ship underdevelopment. You can get a minor nor encouragement and hard to see The zone area. Then So, some of the considerations because obviously the forester had 1 opinion. Members of the committee thought that we can do some staff about saving the recent development. How does this all work? And some of the questions that came up were will the ecological values of the tree in the middle of the parking lot be maintained? Is it helpful?? I don't know if there's a standard answer for that. There's probably different opinions. How does the Oaktree statically? Work in with the project in landscaping or in the part of the writing identity. We should just have this native Oaks R commercial development because they used to be there. Then of course there's the construction issue that can drip lines by Reasonably protected when you're building dance project. There's a couple of examples. Most of you might know that the realist project across the river, the old release. These are some trees that were saved during the development process. The question I have no answer. I'm not a biologist. I don't know if the ecological value is. I know what people think of the landscape compatibly with the center That is very subjective. But we taken step in this case, to preserve the trees. This is Bed Bath & Beyond the planning commission is specifically at the time, we wanted to save some trees. If you look at closely beside a tree up from there. There's another tree behind that Has been saved. There used to be 1 in the little island of the driveway. And again, the question is how does the the street does appear to be driving to me? How does it fit with the Ordinance? This is the former Columbia Bank or Redding Bank of the commerce at Mistletoe and concrete.This Ezekiel is you went there today see in our land use to have a 24 inch blue oak tree That had the staff required to be saved. It was not in a large enough planter, we really want to protect the drip line of the tree. It would have been taking out approximately 8 spaces.That would mean 8 2 and you have to take out 200 ft. of the building to every 3. This is fairly new project. It's under construction. Right now it's on the Land and Lane. It is in your apartment, senior housing project. If you care to drive and see this is what it looks like. Before the development started as you can see there's a lot of 3, were there. This is a high density, multifamily project. We of course when you're not on the housing element, but we Required by state law to provide housing opportunities at high density. This happens to be 1 of The sites that were identified and here's what we plan show. You saw those trees before that the areas in the green or the trees, they are able to say. Most of them are in So, this is a typical example and far easier to save trees and premature death in the middle. You may say why couldn't you even say more? You could reduce the building footprint by going up 3 or 4 stories. That increase the cost. There's a trade-off for everything. This is actually 1 of that came to the commission, not for S but you saw this project, a couple of weeks ago or so. There are 3 Please in the proposed storage yard beyond the old was planning. They say save a coupleOf them in the far north, but there are3 trees. In fact, I in the South and 22 inches to reiterate that 4/5 Up be in good shape. The question is typically you might look at it and well should be candidate 3.I mean it can't be seen in the street or it can be seen anywhere but the storage lot. For that I will trade it over to Jeremy. >> Okay, I'm just going to spend a few minutes giving us a recap of the committee's work. I see a number of our committee members in the audience tonight. Just express my thanks to them. What about the 6 month? Long process through 8 meetings. We still hang out together on Monday evenings here next to the Council Chambers talking about 3 arguments. This committee was appointed by the City Council In September 2022. That's an important distinction because it wasn't a director appointed committee. It was an ad hoc committee. It was Brown act and recall a Brown act committee, which meant it as an extension to the City Council and the subject to Brown act regulation requirements. It was, by myself and other staff members and planning department as well as the city attorney. And it was chosen by the City Council and our commission. So 15 members were initially appointed and you end up with 13 by committee and I just dropped. Were on the committee as well as the 2 CA AC members. Just want to point out that as part of this process, the City Clerk Application Process Set up and Flew on the Application for This Committee. Her at That Time, I Want to Say It Was a Couple of Weeks. I Don't Quote on That but We Are. After the Community Wanted to Be on This Committee. The City Council Received Those Application and Went through Them. That Show They Made Their Choice an Appointment to This Committee. Ultimately, We Had 8 Meetings . From December until May. So the goals was the City Council laid out for the committee. Were this 4 bullet points are primarily looking at the organization laid out on a stretcher. Then there's a bullet point in the staff report that went to the City Council just a general review. This committee identity, and eternal deficiencies of the organize. Then this to last. Bullets are little more specific. The Council was interested in the committee opinion on whether or not to require This for removal of the native Jeeves process. And some tonight because we definitely Want foundational topic that we need to get sorted out before we proceed further with ordinance. So, the meeting topics here, you can see our 1st couple of meetings are application based. I want to get on the details on that here. It's sort of outside the scope of my presentation. Then we review Then we went through a presentation education forum from liberal perspective. What really licenses the committee that was on many committee members didn't understand existing organize. It's very multiple complex pages. A lot of different items in there. Blood representation, publicity, staff, and representation from the shore. Dunlap Sawyer gave a presentation for prospective land development engineer. The representation from 1 or more committee members and as representing sort of liberal purpose:the loan and then you went through list topics. The applicability exemption, enforcement, treeplanting, mitigation and 30 loss and organization. I think after the 1st meeting, after other education, the 1st idea was we would just go through the organize line by line. And he went back very quickly and found that it wasn't the work as a committee because we just weren't organizing up. What deficiencies they identify disorganize? A lot of committee members got back to me individually. Then I tried to take all the deficiencies that everyone had and group them into major subtopics. We came up here with 6 topics on the committee ultimately ended up discussing and making the recommendations. So the recommendation they came up with is briefly to do this tonight and Were going to talk about which is the main foundational topics. So ultimately recommended to remain by the committee. They wanted to revise some exceptions. Our private property meaning for single-family lot, if you have in our country over 6 inches, the committee is recommending that is not an exam from a permit. That's pretty significant change from what we are now. Additionally, the committee recommended reducing exemption From 1 acre to about half an acre. In other words, single-family let's have 1/2 acre 3 about or less would be not exam for a permit and would need to obtain 1 if they wanted to remove trees on their private property. The greater than 6 inches , Then a couple of things about insurance and invasive trees will get into the details. Later, the violation enforcement inquiries 3 years to 5 years of maintenance. We recommend removing the development prohibition attached earlier and increasing the fine from 2000 to 3000. When you violate that reorganize and remove the tree without a permit. Other recommendations are treeplanting, the committee recommends that And approved the prohibited tree list. & Requirement Man for large form trees. So that's getting the most benefit out of the shade trees that are planted. And then single-family dwelling instead of 1 per 500 ft. . The committee recommended to a 15 gallon trees Were single-family dwellings. The reason being that were losing lot size ring and I can tell you that the building side when we have a small lot, So, this is more practical matter that the committee has to discuss. And This particular change is a big 1. This 1 can get tricky to describe. And I do my best here and will touch on more later. What the committee ultimately recommended Was for an approval body to give To an application instead of preserving a tree We have our 3 recommendations a protected tree, the tree and episode 3. So, protected tree is anything over 6 inches. Then a candidate tree has to meet the definition that would touch a little bit Get into more details. And ultimately the discretionary approval from the approval body size indicates which 3 must be preserved as a part of the discretionary permit. What the committee voted on was to add an option. They could pay a fee in lieu of preserving the tree in discretionary body approval. So it would give another tool in the toolbox to speak for any approval body to say and would like this transfers reserve in the applicants as I'd like this centrist reserve in the applicant and they would pay a fee And preserving battery. It is important distinction because will get in the discussion later. That's what the ultimate recommendation was from the committee. It was for removing a preserved 3. So will catch it more later. So, finally, organize organization And structure more objective standard that the 3 definition. Our candidate 3. Definition at this point is Very subjective, and it can result in difficulty and be inconsistent how to implement it. As well as determining it. Were looking to arborist report Does this meet the definition of the calendar tree? The committee recommended a more objective definition and they also encourage City Council to find a staff position is specifically for the 3 related issues and topics. So with that, I'm just going to finish on this and will pass it back over to Mr. Manuel. This earlier discussion topic for tonight. Let's get that sorted. There's many other topics to consider, but we thought that I mean you could argue and it started with a protected tree definition, but the committee recommended to leave that alone. So, the candidate 3. Definition is what we need Thoughts, opinions discussion on. Then moving from there Talking about the process of it. How we document this result that the staff can consider them during the development review proposal and how that should be done. And finally the In little for discussion. The committee recommended and wanting to hear thoughts from the commission as well. So I'll pass it back to Mr. Manuel to wrap up the presentation. Water. After this initial discussion items and then will open up for commission feedback and public comment. >> For the commissioners. If you have any question as we go through this. Free to ask and you don't have to wait Very and because they might be a little while. So to put up everything in perspective, educators, there are 3 types of trees dealt with this ordinance protected tree. The candidate trees, this is the subject the definition. There are and Outstanding specimen and they are the largest and oldest and during the listing can day provide a land-use bopper. You have essentially staff and commissioners looking at development cycle trying to determine If this is the largest and oldest tree out there. In the CT particularly outstanding. It is difficult to work with. We would like to say that were working on the project from the planning level or the planner levered to the 3 and this is what we call retaliatory. It is not The wound that is perfect. So, typically you started out the candidate trees. Now, I really want to see this 3 or 4 to be saved. They had been term preserved trees. The development plan are supposed to be made around those trees To protect them. These are really subjective judgment for quality trees and I guess the question depends on how you want to ask it. It could be cytosolic. The current definition when it's got to be the oldest. It got to be the best. It got to be all this things. It is to restrict them. Would there be more trees? Identified for preservation? It wasn't the subject that at least those terms of ordinance us today. So, wanting to keep in back at your mind, if you like the candidate 3 concept with the commission, the committee is not recommended. We got away with this point. How could subjective criteria be developed that would perhaps do a better job than what You have defined so far. The number of districts that are shown in the candidate trees are developer may have to work around. You may have a whole lot of number of preserved is by beforeYour soul. But the question is, how do you go about it? You are? You're probably look at all the ordinance elsewhere virtually. Every ordinance has its 6 inch and it's an 8 inch 3 and its 12 inch 3 Whataburger. Generally " " and, of course, there are other concerns and considerations that you may want to add into the discussion as we get to it. >> So, there's a definition up section of our city code. Which I believe is 18 6101 04020. Which is why this definition of the candidate tree and other definition fall. Could this definition be amended without amending the over all 3 management arguments? >> It could. It is interesting that you have to protect the 3. It is a startup body in the ordinance itself. The 6 inch division but the Colonel that redefined Is just in. The definition section section of the: City Council, independently of this. And I think I've seen 3 reports gone through. On this test is really look at what the candidate treatments is our definition. Mostly it's back in the definition that it's not the ordinance and we don't point to it. So I seen biologists, and other arborist provide us and provide the city at 3 reports. So I think it's most likely answer to you. >> Depending upon the nature of the commission, it may still be considered to be a substantial change the zoning code? We even thought it may be just amendment of these separate part of the original 12 separate chapter. It likely would need to go through the same hearing process R forgetting in the things. >>In terms of taking these topics one by one, can we go through them all now and that you would like to hear public comment before discussion by the commission. This topics? >>, However if commissioners are questioned along the way that they can just feel free to ask. >> So, we will be moving on to another topic. If there's any other questions and thus we did. Now is the time to do it because otherwise were going to move other documentation. >>It is related to the definition up on the trees. Given that we do not put protected tree and preserved 3 separate in the definition section, but we called them out here.I'm just wondering why we have gone inconsistency?Would it be better to have everything be defined or everything be called out directly in our hands? >> Well, everything should be fine. Particularly, the 3 types of trees. Only 2 of them are defined currently in the ordinance. But some of itI question it would take up perspective in the whole zoning ordinance whether they agree or not and I sort of disagree with you at times. The way it's set up, all of the definitions are in the black of the zoning 3 ordinance. I would be considerate with the rest of the zoning code.Certainly, it would be helpful if the county lancets countries pointed to the definition. So, you can know the people and know where exactly Go or look at chapter 1864.I don't answer that question and I justTo clarify can and and off and the definition section of the code. It's not in the definition section, but is clear that it is from the implied text. So, we could define protected tree, as anything greater than 6 inches. As a zoning code already finds it and then across theReference if we wanted to be consistent. I would think that it would be. That after big problem. >> Is there any other question before we move on? >> Moving on to 3 documentation, so you should have the ordinance be more specific regarding the proposed removal of the Canada tree? So you can go to the school and typical developer welcome to the city sometimes prior to the formal application. Often with the application they have to support and map from the arborist, astrobiologist that shows that there were trees that the help Is. Some other 3 sides. There are trees and its location and its health and its size will be For instance the wound. You just saw up there for 7 bridges. The city did not require a survey of surveyLike items on the residence. Many of those would have been removed. So, the decision was made to go find an finally better tree. If you will, the candidate 3 is similar to bring up. Maybe assets are subject >>Your realize theGoing to 200 ft. of retail. The parking that goes within it. What makes the science of the dance living oh forest inThe maintenance again. Will look through the whole Forrest, if you will to find the best example. They typically had the foundation come to staff. That would have a lot of judgment put friends, and going to be. We sawYour parking lots are going to be or whatever else. We see an implication of it but critically have to get any documentation.The Air Force made to sign the process to conserve the trees. If you look at the ordinance it says that 1 of the 1st step in the process isYou should design your project to protectAnd most healthy whatever trees. However, it was wonderful.We really had not seen the documentation regularly on and we tried to move this building around or if we just get ridOr if you just let us get rid of 6 parking lots, we are parking space.Before a formal application is submitted,The planners can developIn some sort of agreementAnd you see what you're doing and that's okay.And I would Be a little uneasy about it because by the time then if when it goes to the planning commission is sort of like the deal is done. Staff has already agreed. The commission may not agree with the stop has come up with. So, the application process can be little difficult. It's always good to have those discussion withinThe developer and it's got a downside as well. Another thing, with those around in your staff report. Perhaps if anything you try to preserve the candidate trees, however they are defined.We did Do anything. The reason why nothing can be done that way. The commission would have it, but have it to do that >>Do we have not have pre-meetings for other results? >>Currently, we do not require pre-applications. We haveThe application process. Where a developer that can place.What president of the application be and submit a list of questions " "And it gets credit for that. AndAgainst the full application fee, but we currently do that do not require it. The pre-application for development projects. Got it >> Can it be that the pre-application meeting that you might have any time, you may reach out a consensus with the application and later on an ultimate Back and it getsCredit of that.The pre-application for development projects thatYou and my travel time to reach the consensus with the applicant and it would always be a subject for approval by the planning commission and the City Council. Perhaps ultimately the city Council. >> Sometimes when we had applications like that,They come to before say it would beIn the pre-application meeting and the submission of the application, the applicant has come to the planning commission and got to feel for how the planning commission might go. >>There is no requirementThey do that. I don't know when those particular cases referring to have a staff just requested it andOr >>But you do agree ultimately and is always a subject to approval or recommendation by the planning commission? >> Going back to the pre-application process, typicallyThere are 3 studies Done before the pre-application. >> Well the only way that it would work. Is it that they hadThe3. Study done. 1st, the proposed site plan of the development plan. If it's subdivision and weHave something to talk about, At as a commercial have to go to the staff.And we understand you need this buildingAt this location. Are you want it, but we were dead likeThe Remove and the only way you can really make this judgment. If you have the 3 survey or if youWell done up front. >> So other jurisdiction that you're aware of. They have free study in advance. >> So, a couple of questions, What topics are be able to discuss at some pre-application? Meaning they wouldn't have to be solely about it. If this were the case. It wouldn't have to be solelyAbout3 reservation.It could have Mary the question and you needHave a separate ones. I >> We go back to lobbyAnd other parts to WhichHi, I wondered as well. Is there a kind of permission for this in the current code? It's not dealing with a product or development projects? If you're doing that right now, I'm not mistaken to be admitted to permit already. You are doing things that have covered and I think there's a number of barriers permit applications in general use. Unless it's a discretionary project. 1 of them is we can doNumber likeLocation and size pieces, location of the proposed structure, a previous commitment of the reason for removal, And I mean if we just made the development project or the subject at the same criteria. As a normal ATP,With that then because we already asked for that. Some kind of restaurant or some kind of process in writing for a normal pre-permit but will know in this theory, but I know we suggest that were talking about the development. >> We might be talking about talent trees or minorities. Want more and just 1Or just 3 talking about 10 trees or 100 trees. >>I just wonder what I mean that sort of wound trust hold that you already have industry in the current ordinance regarding recommendations are part we plan to try this. Whether it works or not. Whether we prepared 3 or just wondering if that would beApply as well. Our friendEvery " "And there's a current example that we use. I see a difference and you're not going to do it for every single 3. I think it's in >>In terms of the administrative permit to remove the 3 or 2 to remove the 3 or 23 versus development project, this is 1 would just say that clarify, it's not more than of/And so as far as the applicationOur design the project to conservatories, our ordinance does encourage that. The difference being when we bring it onApproval body, staff had to work with the public information to really look at whether the parking arrangement or look what the landscape arrangement, for more and that happened pretty particularly at the staff >> So do you want that documentation. I say thatHow we work with the staff to arrive at a design that the University preserve more than trees and then are initialed by the Apple. So it's not just change, I don't think in the early non-Cialis. OfThe ordinance, or was requiring any changes how to implement the process to the ultimately provide hearing body with enough evidence to snow and we're likeOur best. >> Any other questions? >>Moving on, you've already seen this before.This is all a little hard to see but all those red, marketing, if you will, or the candidate trees that were identified on this particular size. If you can see it, maybe you canSo as well. But some of the lack that have been asked, the blue color in the middle of the building. Were located in them middle-of-the-road.Well, let's just say you your boyThere's still 48 inch 3 in the middle of this road. Can you just move the road.The possible times. You can try to do is that your plus need 3 or 4 lots. Derek certainRoads are engineer was you have to save distress in ordinance of the >> They specifically have made it very many years when they've done that through and you can find examples where they have been like in sunset tires. Perhaps, but it's just it's difficult. I just want to give you the essence of the holiday trees that we had on this 1. >> Let's talk about on the like, fears and again were talking about mitigation here. From the staff about the integration effects.18 indicated in this initial, the opening up the presentation was that this potential really good BFA in law offHi saving a tree on the development side. So there is a distinction that be made there. There's 2 ways to go about it again. And this goes back to the definition. Well, it's probably laptop way you go about it for the purpose of our destination. This 1st 1 is " "They are starting to do their final engineering. They do their final grading. They do their final utilities and go and it's just isn't going to work. You should be there any opinion short of coming back to the planning commission. Losing buildings or whatever else. To pay attention of saving the project protected tree, now it's the bread every afternoon as I know in the slide. It does occur, particularly. >>[ CROSSTALK ] >> There is also an option and letters 1 seconds the trees are identified. And again, how do you identify as it is. Another topic, of course, but should there be a partner, as in Lafayette? Were saying they have candidates trees. The important to the community, perhaps, that sounds being in lieu fee paid for this things, may we may not have 6 inch 3 which the committee has to work on this floor. You might have a site like you saw, and there are trees in the middle of the lack And trees in the middle of the roadway. Should there be perhaps some sort of applicant movie for the removal of Canada trees. There's also a downside that there's some unknown increase in cost to the developer. Depending what the fee amount is. It could be may be the effec of the price of the housing or let's say the fee is really high and tha loud Lane project. We s and took 50 trees and it was $10,000 a tree. Does that effectively, make up the project? For low income project? It might not be a developer but at some point. It can lead wel to say there's numerous methods. The way to do it, if we could just jump in really quick to. So this would have 2 options. I think it's important for you to just be transparent and for our old dance and the commission and the committee discussed both. They voted on both " " so I think we have an example to the experiment. Let's say hundred protected tree is over 6 interest, let's say, those hundred, 50 were outstanding example and their candidate trees. But those $50 that team preserve right? So the 1st example of those Bible, if they were going to remove 1 of those 5 Percent increase, they have to pay a fee. The 2nd example which is the committee is recommending, they have to pay a fee if they wanted to remove any 1 of the people. The candidate trees. So, if you make or let the site work they had to remove 45 or 45 candidates trees and preserve. The 45 would be removed at the cost. If you're going to go with the candidate 3 example which is not what the committee recommends. But they discussed vote. I'm trying to make a simple numbers but still be confusing. So there are committee is recommending in that example. If they approve all body cells 5 of those trees need to be preserved, they have an option. Our last range airport is if they need to remove 1 of those preserve these at a cost, that what the committee recommendation is for the candidate but that is a narrow margin in the committee ultimately didn't recommend that option. So probably more to come later and I just want a little bit of the clarification. >> I think that it was helpful. Can you explain the discretionary process when it comes to see where the staff decided. So, the discretion do you look at the subdivision and says were going to lose this. Were not going to find you were not going to review and were distressed last to go on our project not working and at this point, thus/ I think it's complicated and I guess on 7 bridges, the applicant has its own arborist to go out and look for What they determined to be candidate trees. His staff, goes out and Verifies because typical leader marked them. They put a tag on them. They have a number on it. When the cross reference of what is real is , What its size is, and that staff. In those cases, we would agree in this instance, 7 bridges. You Have met the intent of preserving for now. Identifying at-risk under the trees. So that's how that works. There are other development projects were you look at if you go and you will know I guess it's similar to 7 bridges. I won't make Much sense to survey every 3. Let's look at the Candy varies. There are other small sides. We have every tree is small a 15 acre site. Like perhaps annually holiday or holiday for Michael that the W. >> My question is, by the discretionary decision says that the stress can be removed, are those trees that example a low fee? So, I saying I would say if the envelope we as an option, certainly stop might have a little more ability to push for a preserved 3 that comes to you for approval. But ultimately the determination and the preserved 3 would be in the approval body. So, if the approval body has the option to say no, were going to stick to our guns here and we want this 10 acre preserve but We have the developer had an option to pay in goofy and that's a word that would come into play and it would be an option that they would exercise. I mean I suppose if it's codified and it might be discretionary but you will say is an approval body. This is candidate 3. When were going to make a decision as an approval bodyguard as a preservative. But then the applicant has Out of it if you could play in a little of the fee of that instance. Staff could bring projects to the commission that is way more conservatories. Previously, because now there is some flexibility in option to sort of get out or preserving those trees with an in lieu fee. It doesn't make sense? Does it happen to the staff level or the approval by the library? I mean, it's quite a process. Figure out and how it could be implemented. >> I think the 7 bridges was actually a good example. If you could just follow up on Commissioner And point out the question there. And if you could possibly go back to the slide that overheard and I think 1 had 31 candidates 35 state and 36 were there go and almost sad to Go and we get 26. So there's 31 candidatesPlease and 5 remain. At that point, for those 5 determine, was it done collaboratively? With the applicant or it was thenWith this decision by the stop that was aApproved by the commission? >> This was done in 2009, I don't know if anybody, I don't know if you have any direct knowledge of the world development, but I woul >>I brought it to the commission at that time but it was 15 years. I have no recollection whatsoever of what happened with that. I remember this word This whole thing look really cool on paper. >> I think the 2nd that I'd like to sell that this is procedural question. There are some procedures in terms of were the discretionary approval comes in. I'm curious as well when theyMark And explain how we came up with 31 candidates. But we get down to 5% research preserved.Were those established that way. >>We don't know those details andWe just could use example like I was trying to verbally talk through. I mean, If it was 3103. This and in lieu of file based on the candidate removal, the developer would pay for each 1 of those trees and preserve the trees. They would only have to pay if they decide to remove the trees that were approvedAs preserved trees. >>It is too early for me to know process wise. >> I think at this point we are looking for a commission feedback on. Do you agree with the committee? What are your thoughts and your " " Well, we bring it to you and were going to get down more Italy tells but at this point is looking for general feedback on the idea. >> I just kind of observed looking at that map,The trees are pretty scattered if they were perhaps located a lotAre more than sleep together. It's like a stand. Maybe the point would be Mr. developer give us some additional open space and save those 5 and skinny up your lives.To make your life like count Work, but the way this is spread out. Then the proposed property line may be We can save it. But the way this particular development work out and wanting I was going to give me to add to the puzzle there. But it wasn't 4. SeparatePHS was the topography and the site. And those 1PHS was the topography and the site. And those 100 at the top of map and see how close those 2 foot contours are together. >> I have a comment and I have a question, but in this language are lists even as the person has been dealing with this for almost a year is so, come someWhat is the process of that decision? >>I mean our early 9 says that is the approval by this decision. Now, we have in the past that those with more Experience of the city couldIndicate which street shall be preserved. Were sort of rectifying that presently. With resin project, you've seen the 3 survey and you've seen the arborist report.And despite is a part of the approval of a project and has had the trees are preserved and that it should be done. So, moving forward and moves remarkably the tree to the preserved 3 through origin. A discretionary approval. Estoppel bring forth what their work out with the developer and what they are recommending but ultimately the approval body is what determines that those now preserved trees but you can preserve a tree that doesn't at least go through the process. It classifies as protector, it is greater than 6 inches.We moved our candidate, 3 definition is at the largest, oldest and the bestGood health.What the percentages are at the end of today. >> So we had the discussion on and you know that the state of California. In the recent years, has approved a number of different laws a SB. TheSB 330 and SB 35 which is streamlined housing particularly and I understand it, and I could be misinterpreting this new loss. If you do not have object standards for deciding what is absurd 3 and it is the regression of this body developer could easily challenge that because it's not that knowledgeable by all parties at the time of application. >> I want to look thatA little bit more before I speak to that directly. I did want to say those with respect to the questions of the termsWhen you get into the actual drafting of the ordinance. I think 1 thing that we may look is are able to maybeHave the definitions? >>And then that would be great if you wouldn't mind looking into the SB 330 and 3.35. I do worry a Air Force setting ourselves up for not being able to enforce any kind of tree ordinance. >> I will have to look that more. I will have to discuss that in terms of objective design, standards, as it relates to our zoning code an objective standard with the setbacks. Massing and building heights and all the spy. I will consider it in terms of the organized annual do some homework and bring it back. >> Any other questions? >>I just had a comment because while we were working on the ordinance. The committee,We were sort of playing up and getting those arborist report. Here at the commission level, also at the board of administrative review level,I had come before me a project.The 1st reportAnd to begin with. It did reflect what you were seeing on site. So, we will start with enough information.12 objectively what was going on on the side and really work with the developer to make good decisions about what was going on with the trees.I just want to call out that I have concernsAnd I have such open definitionTo the preserved 3 category by our discretion. Primarily because a lot of what were basing onIs our observation on the side in an arborist report. We do have an urban forest or on our staff and you don't build benefit from having that force trailer To either support or decline the arborist report from the developer. I'm wanting to point out theThat living these 2 definitions very oftenHas already made approving projectsVery difficult from writing the developer that they would have said that it was very frustrating to understand What he should have done. Then from the staff, the board perspective,We didn't have to tools to work with this because we cannot rely on the arborist report. So, I am hoping that we can move the candidate 3 terminology and the conservator terminology to be as understandable as the protected terminology. It is the data. We know it is by numbers. It is not objected by many people's observation. >> And other questions so far? >> I think were closing in the end just to keep in mind as Jeremy said before, this is not the 1st of your workshop. There's going to be a lot of work through and will be talking in the future. Besides revisiting some of these topics and hopefully we get some good directionBesides revisiting some of these topics and hopefully Remove annual construction planning requirements. We qualified professionals definition you should actually be probing this reports. There's been some thoughts Of other type of professionals. We should expand the exemption for Exemption for the recommendation of the committee. There are number of other things that Jeremy discussed on this portion update that the presentation. I think it's Just for now. >> Thank you very much is just a large topic. They appreciate that. Is there any commission or orComments or questions. Report up in public comment? So, we are open the public comment here and we have 8 cards. Feel free to bring it up here in front. You will see lights on the porch room and yellow lights means that you have 30 seconds left and then the red light means your time is up. >>Let's keep up this 3 minutes and if you would please 1. Additional comments certainly whatever you prepared and I'd like to speak about that place. In regards with the candidate 3. Definition, Given that we will be having other workshop in the future, there will be plenty of opportunities to participate. So, the 1st couple speakers >> Good evening, I appreciate the presentation. I was going to say are not really wanting to understand much better of this county. Just to summarize, I think most people in in the city of Redding I really support the concept . I also recognize what is the stress tonight. That is not simple thing. It's very involved in every situation is different. So, the question that came up tonight, I think 1 thing that really struck me was the idea of pre-application meetings. I saying I would serve the city, if a pre-application not required. At least very strongly encourage. I think for a developer to come in with a plan where there hasn't been discussion, Just really start things off very badly. You really promote problem downstream. I think the concept of having regular pre-application meeting not just to look at 1st but The whole realm of utilities and all the other things certainly make sense. And in terms of some of the questions about the inland 3, to me it makes sense. When there's less possibility, I think preserving the tree is always better situation . But as pointed out in the examples, it sometimes is not just practical . But I do think it does make sense to apply the 3 to all the candy that is process. All the candidate trees. I think that goes back to the concept that those were the major categories has identified and losing those community. At least that can be put back into more trees so that the community comes closer to breaking even in the situation. And with that I have 27 seconds left. I appreciate the opportunity to speak. So, I'm going Thank you. Commissioners for allowing me to weigh on this item. As I continued to this process, I want to highlight a few things from the city's local hazard mitigation plan which I believe makes the case of Oral Roberts tree ordinance. The local hazard mitigation plan acknowledges that the city experience has an average of 50 days with temperatures above 100 , on average of 12 days with temporary sure not go above 107 Each year. The frequency and duration of this extreme hit puts human health and life address. The city also knows this because goal 8 of Your local hazard mitigation plan is to prevent that scar injuries, structural damage, environmental damage and losers from extra heat and utility disruption. The city also acknowledges key strategies to help mitigate the impact of this year. The urban tree cover Park green roofs and walls essentially are ideal solution to the urban heat island effect that Not just reduce temperature but also provide shade and improve air quality during hit events. I want to emphasize the top of the list is Orban 3 canopy. My point here is that every management organize an important opportunity to reinforce goals and action and outline other important city planning documents That recognize trees as an important community asset. For that reason, I strongly urge you to straighten the 3 organized with public health. In mind. Additionally, not all development is good development. Removing native oak trees to put in more fast food places out in the wild urban interface is for decision. Making the refined tree ordinance 1 property and protect all types of native trees, but in public and private plans Require sufficient medication. When a tree is removed during development, this could include requiring developers to use the climate smart materials such as corn, pavements, the green roofs and of course planting trees elsewhere in the community. The 3rd thing is that We have a meaningful tree replacement requirements. One-to-one ratio isn't enough. You absolutely should charge developers medication list. Lastly, please initiate device preservation for supporting property owners to actively preserve and maintain Healthy trees in the premises. >> You had up the 7 bridges subdivision. Is that NUS's role? Good afternoon planning commissioners. My name is David Leger and am presenting trust environmental alliance. We just had a short notice on this meeting, but we did receive over 90 likes on our Facebook page. I just turned down some 90s signatures and we got recovered. As far as getting a stronger tree ordinance to preserve trees. We had about 160 of signatures on our old website which was strange and . If you're in the latter, you got from California explanation, dimension 3, CT USA and they don't think that the city is following the rules to be a 3 city. Many people have came to me over the years, saying that the USA because were taking down trees and we don't plan enough of them. I was recommended by the Oak foundation to contact Arbor foundation. I don't know if I will have medication and is really getting complicated. A lot of cities just have a certain diameter of trees and Daniel to preserve it and a lot of them isn't 6 inches. Sacramento, they charge every 03 you removed. External $25 per inch.If you have a house on the 3 and a lot and And within 2 hours he said is reunited. So, it's all subjective. With having this contradictory because if you look at the 3 surveys they came in. I've seen him come in. I'm not an arborist but some of them are really like Helping a developer as far as they're just veggies there that some countries and they don't They have the protection based on the diameter of the protected tree . But anyway, the candidate 3 is just totally subjective and I've talked to some whose land consulting work for many years. The candidate 375% and I see a lot of them come through and there's no candidate to read. I think that's the definition serving trays or mitigating from based on escalators. >> I'm here to encourage a stronger tree ordinance than what is proposed. I support the recommendation made by Shasta environmental Alliance in the north state climate action. Many cities in California recognize the importance of trees and have adapted strong tree ordinances. The reasons are clear, for example, The city of Palo Alto introduction to the 3 organ states, the city recognizes that the trees are an essential part of this city infrastructure with the benefits that include promoting the health issue. Welfare and quality of the life of the resident of the city. Addressing climate change by 6 for storing carbon in providing a cooling effect, reducing air, water and noise pollution. Providing wildlife habitat and enhancing the static environment. In the preservation, the emphasis seems to be on how hard it is for the developer to work around trees. How they might lose lots of Lots and buildings? I believe that the benefits of preserving the tree outweigh potential cost per developer. >>I did serve as a member of the 3 committee and I was disappointed that we were unable to reach consensus. On several important issues, my main areas of concern that I feel were not sufficiently address Or mitigation in Lucrece and specifically protection of our native oaks. At 1.1 a realized that we didn't have any language protecting Oaks Especially. I attempted to address this in a motion. Only to be told. We discuss this. That was the advent of it. I would urge you to take all these considerations. Enter your discussion to come up with definitions that make sense to all of us. Turn activities and to protect our native oaks. Thank you. >> Members of the planning commission, my name is Bill Walker. I'm a retired planner with over 36 years experience, including with like the city of our capital city of concur, etc. I'm a member of the American planning Association and a former member of the American Institute of certified planners. I'm very concerned about the current city ordinance regarding t