Village Community Development District No. 8

Development District eight. I see we have three supervisors present. Supervisor Anderson. Yes. And, uh, supervisor? Is it LAIs? I think LAIs. I, I don't know. LAIs and myself. Larry McMurray. Two sson. Um, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, followed by a brief moment of silence for those past and present who've honorably served our community and nation. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, invisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. One moment, Mr. He probably already have. Oh, okay. Okay. Welcome to meeting attendees. I don't think we're gonna have any audience comments, but this is the time. Uh, we have a consent agenda. A motion to approve. There's a motion to approve all the recommended actions. It includes three items. Uh, I approve to approve the consent agenda. Okay. All three items. No discussion, Wayne. Any discussion? No discussion, Mr. Chairman. Alright. We have a motion. Uh, do we have a second? I can't do a second. I second. I can't do a motion or a second, Mr. Chair. Not enough power. I'll second. All, all in favor? Aye. Motion's carried. We're at the public hearing portion of the, uh, agenda. The District eight fiscal year 20 25, 26. Final budget will be presented by budget director Brandi Cook. Good afternoon, Brandy Cook, budget Director. I'm here today to request adoption of resolution 2025 dash zero nine to prove your fiscal year 20 25, 26 final budget. The board of supervisors had their budget workshop on May, May 16th, at which point you reviewed the line item, detailed budget, the five year capital improvement plan, the maintenance assessment schedule, and the working capital and reserve balances. After much discussion, the board of supervisors provided direction to staff to prepare a balanced budget for the June meeting with no change to the maintenance assessment rates. Staff continued to work on the attached budget over the past several months, and the fiscal year 20 25, 26. Final operating budget is $3,884,073, which is an increase of $167,944 from the current year amended budget, which is due mostly to the CCO pool rental rate increase. The final budget is a decrease of $3,176 from the proposed budget in June due to final cost allocation decreased for the deed compliance services. Also, during your May budget workshop, you did review the five year capital improvement plan for fiscal year's 20 25, 26 through 20 29 30. And adoption of the final budget would include adoption of this capital improvement plan as well. So at this time, staff would recommend adoption of resolution 20 25 0 9, approving your fiscal year 25, 26, final budget in the amount of general fund $3,884,073, your phase one debt service fund in the amount of $2,127,449. Your phase two debt service fund in the amount of $1,868,991 and your phase three debt service fund in the amount of $1,518,525. And I'm here if there's any questions. Otherwise, I would request that you open the public hearing. We'll now open the public hearing for the district eight fiscal year 20, 25, 26, final budget and maintenance assessment rates. Uh, any comments from the public hearing? No public comments. We'll now close the public hearing. Um, any discussion from the board? If none, uh, let's entertain a motion And if the motion maker could read in the motion as provided on number seven, including all the figures, um, allocated to each one of the funds. Yeah. Do you have that data so that you can do that? No. You gave it Number seven. I'll move to adopt resolution 20 25 0 9 to approve fiscal year 20 25, 20, uh, six. Final budget in the amount of the general fund. 200, uh, 2018 phase one debt service fund, 2020 phase two debt service fund, 2020 phase three debt service fund of, I'm sorry, I forget the amount. 2020 phase one of 2,127,449. Phase two 1,868,991 and phase three 1,518,525. Okay. And did he say the, uh, general fund amount? Yes. And the, the general fund amount, the 3,884,073. Right. Uh, do we have a second? I'll go ahead and second. Sure. We have a second all in. Uh, well, any discussion before we vote? A lot of money? Yeah. Well, I'd like to apply for a loan. Alright. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion's carried. Thank You. All right. We can move, I think, to new business. Correct. Mr. Chairman, my name is Sean Boyle. I'm with the finance department and I'm here to present agenda item four A. With that said, I'll proceed Per Florida statute 1 97 dash 36 32 dash five A. A local government shall certify a non valor assessment role by September 15th of each year, whereas the board has, has adopted budget resolution 25 dash oh nine for fiscal year 26, providing for maintenance, special assessment and benefit special assessments. The board shall certify the non-ad roles. So with that said, you have just passed, uh, the rate that will be applied. This is the number of parcels which has not changed from last year, that, that, that rate will be assessed to. Um, at the conclusion of the discussion, uh, staff is seeking a motion to adopt resolution 25 dash 10, certifying a non-ad warm assessment rules for fiscal year 26. So I'm here for any questions that you may have. Okay. We're gonna need a motion a second and a vote for that, I think. Yeah, correct. Uh, it's, it's kind of coded if, if you remember the list from your homework. It was a long list identified all the individuals in our district Yeah. That have to pay the bill. But it is, it doesn't, we don't list names. It's coded that they can translate it. Right? Yeah. All right. Do we have a motion to adopt the resolution? I'll make a motion to adopt the resolution number 2025 dash 10 certified non avalor assessment role. And a second, I will go ahead and second Yes. Okay. And a second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Motions carried. Thank you. Thank you, Sean. Then there's the topic of goals and objectives for the new fiscal fiscal year. Yes. Good afternoon. Board members. Um, what is presented to you is the adoption of your goals and objectives for fiscal year 25 26. This is in accordance with the, uh, statute change to chapter 180 9 that occurred and went into effect for this current fiscal year. So right now, the goals and objectives that you have in place will be reported on in December of 2025. The ones that we're presenting for you to adopt today are identical in context, um, but to be in effect for your upcoming fiscal year and reported on in December, 2026. The statute is very vague in the context and structure of the goals other than they need to be adopted. Um, we wanted to ensure that they are achievable so that you can report successfully on them. Um, we did look around at other special districts throughout the state of Florida, and honestly, these are probably more comprehensive than the majority of them that we found. I would bet. Yeah. Well, we, I mean, it's your opportunity to kind of let people know what it is you, what it is you do. Yes. Which is a lot in a year. Um, it's not too vague that you can't tell us. Oh, they, they, they have 'em written out and, uh, they then report out in December. Yes, they're included in your agenda. Package. The goals and objectives. Um, there are four, five categories. Um, financial management and budget oversight, long-term planning and resource allocation, vendor and contract management, board governance and accountability, and community engagement and communication objective. And those are all included as backup in your agenda package? Yeah. On several occasions we've had the district manager come in and report, you know, these have been my goals and objectives and these are my accomplishments, including staff, you know, for the year. And it's always pretty impressive now. Kay. Do, do we need to take any action on that? Yes. You will need a motion to adopt these as presented. Okay. Need a motion to adopt the goals and objectives for the fiscal year. I'm going to adopt the goal of the adoption of goals and objectives for fiscal year 2025. 2026. And a second. I second. You don't want a second? I can't. Oh, you cannot. I cannot. Then I can, yes, and I do. Alright. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion's carried. This is why three's the minimum. We gotta have one to make the motion one to second and, uh, then vote. Why are you excluded, Mr. Chairman? A as The chair? Yeah. Roberts r of order. Um, a chair. You can't make a motion unless they pass to someone else, but there's no one to pass it to. Yeah. When you think the chair's a good job, that one will slow you right down. I'll, I'll help you out. Yeah. Yeah. I need your help. Okay, Mr. Chair, the next item is consideration to adopt resolution 2025 dash 11 establishing the board meeting cancellation policy. So currently your general procedural rules state that your board meeting cancellation policy will be adopted, uh, via resolution. We did it in that manner so that if you ever wanted to adjust it, you didn't need to go through the full rulemaking process with a public hearing to make the change. Um, currently you have an effect that no board meetings will be canceled due to lack of actionable items. Um, so what we are checking with you today is that, do you, do you want to keep that in effect or do you want to look at the other two options that some of the boards have elected to put in place? Um, one option is that, um, staff would contact the chair to make a determination on whether or not to proceed with a, um, a meeting. And then the other option is that staff would contact the chair and inquire with each supervisor, um, not to pull them on whether or not they think that a meeting should be held, but to identify if there were any pending issues that we may not have been aware of that we we could share that would make a, a essentially result in the meeting being held. Um, so this is more of a check-in, which would require, um, a motion from the board on which option to proceed with. Alright. I, I'm gonna make sure I understand. The, uh, no actionable items has fed the basis to this point, right? And, and, and, correct. Typically we say that to the chairman and, and the chairman says, great, no meeting. Well, right now it states that we will not even contact you. We won't contact the chair because the policy right now is that no board meetings will be canceled due to lack of actionable items. Okay. That the meeting would be held. So we just get told, we just get told there are no actionable items you're not gonna meet. No. The opposite you would meet regardless. Well, when the chair hears no actionable items, he should say, unless somebody's got some reason to meet, we're not gonna meet. Right. That's what we're asking today, is that we staff defers to the board on which option you want to go with. It's just essentially setting the rule book for us that in the event there's no items, it's two weeks, the meeting's two weeks out, there's no items that need action. Do you want to still hold the meeting or not? Right now it's that we wouldn't even contact you because your policy is that, um, no board meetings will be canceled. The other two options are that we could contact the chair to ultimately make the determination that the board would provide the chair the authority on whether to hold to cancel the meeting or not. And then the first option would be under that same context that the chair would ultimately make the decision, but staff would also inquire with each supervisor to determine if they had items they wanted on the agenda. Yeah. Discussion. Yeah. Uh, Mr. Chairman, that would give us a, a heads up and maybe a convenience, but if there are people in the audience that comes and want to present something to the board, the meeting should be going on to give the homeowners a chance to address their concerns. So staff would not know about that. Right. If there was a That's correct. We Public group. Right. Unless one of the board members was aware and had heard that a group was coming. Um, otherwise we have to post meeting cancellations in the same manner that we notice board meetings. There's no reason to meet, we shouldn't meet. Well, there may be a reason to meet the homeowners. Now we Right. We don't know that for sure. But we're paid to be here and we should be here. Most of our days are kind of like this. Our meetings are kind of like this 'cause we're doing so well. I understand. But, uh, there's always that outside chance and, and things that we're being paid, we should do our duty. That's my feeling. Yeah. Ray, you have that, the current policy, right? Yes. Yes. And I will state that supervisors are paid only based on meetings that occur. There's no automatic pay. The pay is based on meeting, meeting attendance. It's canceled, correct? Yeah. Typically there are, well, December right. Is often a meeting that we don't hold because of travel. Uh, December, historically is a very slow month in that your, you know, your fiscal, your budget has just gone into effect. Yeah. There's just not normally a lot of actionable items in December. And there are a couple other months, but we, we don't look to frequently cancel meetings. That's My experience with spending meet like 10 out of the 12, there'll be two months where we just don't have any, anything, any actionable item on the agenda. Not aware of it. So the choice is leave it the same. Right. The other one we have, you have to contact all of us. Correct. And we'd have to agree. The third one is that you just contact the chair. Correct. And the chair says cancel It. Yes. So the, I we have to discuss it that come up with one of those alternatives. Yeah. Typically, if somebody has something on their mind, one of us is gonna know and would probably contact staff to say, Hey, there's gonna be a group that's gonna want to talk about a particular topic. They'd be aware of it. So then you're saying they need to contact all of us before you could cancel it. So if I had, I knew a group was coming, I could say, you need to make contact. Correct. That's the type of situation where, why we would reach out to the supervisors individually, that if you were aware that, hey, my neighborhood group said they have an issue, and there, there might be approximately 40 people in attendance. That would most likely be an item that would impact the meeting being held. Yeah. Great. What do you want to do? Well, there's a reason that you made the policy last year. Was it Ms. Brittany? Was it last year? They voted on, Uh, 2018. Okay. Well, in 2018, there was a reason why you guys voted to continue on every month. That reason still valid. So how is it we decide when there's no actionable items, you know, that we're not gonna be, So from staff's perspective, actionable items are agreements, policies, right. Budget adoption, business item, um, contract renewals. Yeah. And those are all based on a sequence of events that occur and then leading up to that meeting. But if we, I'm gonna say in August, we don't have any renewals that are coming up. They're still being worked on. They'll be ready for the October meeting and we don't have any items on the agenda. That's when we would reach out. I don't know. It's, I it just seemed to me that what they do is call the chair, whoever the chair is, say, Hey, we don't have any actionable items. Chair says, fine. No reason to meet. Well, yeah. From the board's perspective, but there could be an actionable item out here in the audience. Could be. I I I, I don't want to belabor this. I've, I think I've already made my position. I'm gonna vote. We just continue on the way we're doing. Works out good. Gives everybody an opportunity. Even if it's a theoretical opportunity. Be a quick meeting. We all show up. It would be a quick meeting Mr. Chairman. Yeah. That would not be objectionable to this board. Well, it costs, costs. Staff's gotta come in. They gotta pay us and we don't do anything. Well, we don't know that for certain. There might be a percentage wise that leaning your way, but we don't know for certain. I'm leaning toward wing anything to do. We stay home. Yeah, we Can do that. Mr. Chairman, the other item that was just brought up, you do have your, your chair and, um, supervisor Johnson that are not here at this meeting. Would you like to wait until there's a four full board to discuss this? I, I was just gonna mention that. Okay. I think it's a table. Just so we have all Okay. Because you need a quorum. Don't, is it three? We have a three. Yeah. Is it three? It is. It just doesn't sound like you each agree on a, a particular method. And if we have a motion without a second, it's just gonna fail. I don't know that you have enough people here to actually Right ash through it. We'll, we'll, let's defer we'll bring it up when we got the board Right. So we'll move this to your October meeting. Yeah. Yeah. I, I just, I don't want to come. You wanna wait for allies? Alright. Little bit further. Okay. Uh, do we need to vote on the department or what? No, We'll just put it on, we'll just move It. Alright. Okay. Old business. Um, yes. The old business items are complete with the exception of the consideration of enforcement of age restrict age related deed restrictions with, um, so staff is continuing to work with legal counsel and we, we expect that that will come either at your October or November board meeting for additional information on that. Okay. And those, that concludes old business. Alright. Informational items, financial statements, monthly. I, If you have any questions on those, we're happy to address them. There's the financial statements, your DPM monthly reports and your public hearing case updates. No word on public hearing updates. Okay. District manager reports. What would be the update in public hearing? They're on the agenda. They're included on the agenda. Um, just if there's any outstanding fines, if liens have been filed and any cases that have an open, um, order of enforcement. Okay. Alright. Any no questions. We'll go to district manager reports. The first item is just a reminder that, uh, beginning in October, you do have your adjusted board meeting schedule. Um, so your meetings will be held on the Tuesday before the second Friday at 10:00 AM And the clerk's office is working diligently to get all of the calendar invites out for all of the meetings so that you will automatically have them on your calendar and know where to be and when. Um, I would just make note that the only meeting that has been adjusted is November. Um, originally your meeting date fell on the Veteran's Day holiday, which we were closed during. Um, so that meeting was adjusted to November 18th. Okay. Uh, the next item is a save the date for a night with DPM District Property Management. That will be held on Wednesday, September 17th at the EL Recreation Center, uh, from five to 6:30 PM That's a good opportunity to interact with the divisions within DPM and all the different functions that they oversee to support the maintenance in the community. Uh, the next item is National Night Out. That will be held October 7th from five to 7:00 PM at Eisenhower Recreation Center. That's being hosted by Community Watch. Um, all of the local law enforcement agencies will be in attendance as well as the, uh, fire departments from the Tri-County area. Um, so we would certainly encourage the public to come out and join us for that. The last item is, uh, the save the date for government day. It will be held, held on Saturday, November 1st from 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM. Um, there is a signup sheet circulating. Okay. Um, so we would request that supervisors consider taking a 30 minute time slot, um, to come and represent District eight and the opportunity to interact with all of your residents. Um, and then I would just like to extend a thank you to, um, the budget team. They've worked diligently on putting all of the budget together for this fiscal year. Typically, you're the last board meeting to occur to adopt the final budget. But due to, uh, the statutory deadline, you were moved up. So you're, you're one of the first, um, that they, they've put in a lot of time and effort, um, to get all of that information and everything finalized. Um, and then the last item would be for Ms. Boyd to present the new, um, repainting paint palette portfolio. Good Afternoon board. Shannon Boyd. Community Standards, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the current paint pallets we have been utilizing over the past 10 years, but they have been on boards and there are swats of the different paint samples. What we now have is we now have a paint pallet booklet, so it has all those colors and a nice booklet form so residents can come to any one of our offices, sit down and go through the book and look at the colors. Nice. Also, under each color, it, uh, tells you what district that color is allowed in. So if it's a color that's not allowed in a particular district, and that district will not be listed there. So this will be located at our Brownwood, our Lake Sumter Landing Office, and also at Lacie, where we have a de compliance officer. Um, also this is available on our website. If you go on the community standards webpage and you scroll to the bottom to where it says paint palette, um, you can view this online on our website. So we just wanted to show you our new Paint Pal look like. Yes, sir. How many, uh, color palettes do you have available in total? There's six color palettes in total. That book contains only six colors. Mm-hmm. Correct. That book is thick. There's quite a few colors on each palette. There's lots of colors. Six. What? There's six books? No, this is, it's all in one. Oh. We have multiple copies of it, but it includes each book includes all of the colors. I see that. Yeah, sure. I can't believe that. It is interesting that we can do it with that book and not without the, uh, your, you know, the way you look at painting in a paint store, you know the little swatches mm-hmm. Oh, number one, right? Yes. What am I wondering if, if that's really adequate? If, can you really tell the shades Yeah. With that when you don't have the scotches like you do in a paint store? Well, most of the, the repainting is done based on hue range Within That. That About 14. Yeah. It's not a pallet per pager. Okay. Okay. And, and, uh, how many of these are available in District eight? Um, uh, Most of them are, except when it comes to some of a dark color, they have it to where that can be a spring call only and not a bank Color. Oh, I see. The contract. Mm-hmm. Okay. I don't plan with any time soon. I was just curious. Ready? You want to see this? No, ma'am. I seen it. Thank you. Thank you. And that concludes district management report. Do we, when folks come in to look at that, Shannon, do we remind them about painting doors and avoiding, what were the three categories? Something that was Bright electric or neon colors? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah. All right. District counsel, Just one report. We have another ethics and public records training date scheduled. October 27th at one 30. And that will be at the district office. You still need hours you can attend. Sign up through the clerk's Office. Alright. Counsel, will you be conducting that? Yes. Yeah. All right. Supervisor comments, Ray. Okay. I probably attended the shortest PWAC meeting in history the other day. Um, um, the, like us, they approved the final budget for 20 25, 25, 26. Uh, good news. There's no change from the allocations to the districts that that state the same. So it doesn't belong. Probably the longest discussion had to do with aquatic weed control. Yeah. Um, the, the current vendor is not going to be up again. Uh, and the price was because it went up 75%. The his cost, I was asked about 75%. So they're not gonna renew with the current vendor. Okay. Correct. The project was solicited into three different, it was broken up into three different zones, um, for north of 4 66. And then the, the project wide area. And then, um, the southern portion south of State Road 44. So our, our area. Mm-hmm. PWAC, they're not gonna renew the contract with the current vendor 'cause of the pricing freeze. They're going to go back to the vendor that we had two years ago. Solitude. Um, and the decision, you know, they went through this whole thing, and the issue with Brittany just brought up, village has grown so much that it was almost impossible for a single vendor to deal with all the different ponds and everything. Uh, there's like 1500, something like that, 1500 different ponds as part of the villages. So one single vendor was having a difficult time keeping up all. So as Brittany said, they've broken it up into three different areas. And PWAC, which is the area we live in, is going to be, uh, handled by solitude. They have a, a rep, a very positive reputation nationally. Um, so, um, and the cost was maintained, you know, it went up a bit, but not the 75% the other vendor was going to do. So, uh, they moved forward on that one. Um, there was a discussion by a resident, uh, the, and actually, it, it was probably one of the longest part of the whole meeting, um, about putting locks gates on the pickleball courts. So right now, pickleball court door can go inward or you can open it outward or, and, and it was his contention that it was dangerous to open 'em inward because, you know, you, you could interfere with the play in the court and somebody could get hurt and damage and all that. So he even had a, a solution. He brought in pictures of how to fix it and all that kind of stuff. So I think probably wreck, we'll take a look at it. You know, what he was talking about, uh, or DPM. We'll take a look at it and, and get back. And he, he, he had it down to like $6 and 50 cents to fix one of 'em. How much? $6 and 50 cents. But that was without the labor doing it, that was the three parts you needed and that, so, and that's where that one ended. Um, I think another thing that's been an issue and all, we all know it about people using the pools and all that. So new signage is going to go up. Uh, Mr. Rohan was there, and he showed us the, the new signs will go up and identifies what kind of pool it is. You'll say this is an adult pool that residents and guest residents must be 30 years of age and show their past or resident ID to use the pool. If it's a sports pool, it'll identify there's a sports pool and who can use that, or if a family pool. And so the signs will be going up over the next few weeks on each of the gates. And that totally solve the problems. Probably not totally. But at least it, it sets it up so people are looking at it and, uh, yeah, I like it. Yeah. No, and they were very professionally done. They really a nice looking sign. Yeah. Um, that was pretty much the extent of that meeting. The, uh, like I said, it, it, it lasted about 41 minutes. I started at eight 30 and I was home at 8, 9 30, so, okay. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, sir. And, um, alright. Supervisor Anderson, display of American flag. Yes, you have the floor. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, let me, uh, get this here. Oh, okay. I, this probably has to go to, I, I have a copy. Oh, okay. No, usually she comes over here and grabs it before I can get my hands on it. Oh, grab it. And counsel. Of course, he's already memorized it, so he doesn't need it. I wouldn't say that. No. All right. Alright. What this arises from an issue that I've been discussing with Ms. Brittany, and she has asked for a, an accommodation, which I hope I can make to her, that the homeowner involved with this, who brought this matter to my attention, will remain anonymous, if you don't mind, because this may be adjudicated in our, uh, deed restriction compliance procedure that happens. We, of course, you guys voted not to do this anymore. Deed compliance, hearing and, uh, conclusions. So now it goes to judge, uh, Neal for her services. Yeah. It gets done by a professional. Yeah, yeah. A judge. Yeah. Well, yeah. So if that's okay with you guys, we'll let the homeowner name remain anonymous, gentlemen. And it is my understanding, the resident is in compliance. Now, the issue is, is that the board just shouldn't be discussing cases that could potentially, even if they're going before the, um, hearing officer, we're required to provide them due process and the availability to be present if a case is being discussed. So it, we really shouldn't discuss cases outside of either the hearing officer process or if it's before you in an appeal. But my understanding is, is that this property is now, they cleared their violation, so there is no outstanding violation. Okay. Um, anyway, that's the community standards position. Uh, I take another position on that, but we'll argue about that, uh, ex parte communications and all that, a late at a later time. It's not necessary for us to go into it now. Um, anyway, the situation was that a homeowner in our district put out a, uh, a little white cross too, and an American flag, a portable American flag. This, this thing you see all over 4th of July, Memorial Day, labor Day, you see 'em all over the place. So he put one in, in his yard as well. Well, of course, someone complained and then, uh, community standards came out and affirmed it was a violation and recommend demand, and suggested whatever that he remove both items from his yard. The little white cross is being litigated. So we're not gonna talk about that right now, but the flag, we are, I've given you the statute, the state, four years ago, the state of Florida, four years ago, found it, uh, compelling to take up this issue and write up a law regarding flag displays in, within Florida, it's chapter seven 20 And Subsection 3 0 4 display of flag, which includes the American flag, veterans flags, the state flag. I think the MIA flag and POW is in there as well. So the law is not vague. This one is not vague. This is very clearly written. So, item, uh, I mean section two A, I'll read it into the record here. Any homeowner may display one portable flag, removable United States flag or official flag of the state of Florida in a respectful manner and one portable removable official flag in a respectful manner. Not larger than four and a half feet by six feet. So you're allowed to display the American flag here in America. Item B, section B, any homeowner may erect a free standing pole no more than 20 feet high on any portion of the homeowner's real property property, regardless of covenants and restrictions. Section three, this subsection applies to all community development districts, also homeowner associations of that. But the, the state saw it fit to specifically put in there CDC CDs like the villages, so that there could be no distinction or argument. Oh, that's for homeowners associations. No. Yes, it is. But specifically, community development districts, that's us. And any homeowner, section three, any homeowner prevented from exercising rights, guaranteed by subsection one or subsection two may bring an action in the appropriate court of the county. They can sue us. So it is lastly, it is the intent of the legislature to protect the right of parcel owners to exercise their rights. This is one of our rights is to display the American flag. Now, I've asked, but I haven't gotten any, uh, response yet as to why community standards would direct this homeowner to remove his flag, his portable flag from his yard. I have not got an answer, so I can't give that to you. But we here in District eight and all the district two, we must follow the law. Hang on, hang on. I'm, I'm, I'm trying to catch up and Okay. Get my arms around the issue. All right. I mean, I, uh, we, we have a coordinator that you can go get a, an arm full of flags, you know, for Labor Day Yeah. Or a national holiday. Yeah. And, and you, you know, we stick 'em along the edge of the driveway Yes. On sidewalk. Yes. We don't put it out in the middle of the yard, but we loan it. Yes. Uh, they go, you know, they have prescribed areas on district property where they can place 'em for the holiday. And you see that they Sure. You know, they'll go down, uh, along the plants and sometimes it, you gotta come in, sometimes you can go out to the curb. I, I'm trying to understand the issue. Somebody stuck something on the middle of the yard. No. Yes. They put it in their yard and someone complained and it wasn't a holiday. Uh, no. No. So that's the issue. It was August 21st or 22nd that the community standards came out, I guess, to enforce a deed restriction. I don't know. I've asked, but I have not been told. Maybe we can get an answer today. I don't know. They're also good at what they do. Well, uh, in this case, let's consider the law, the state law. Not a private deed restriction, not a covenant. Well, this ought to go to community standards and C. Correct. And it did go through community standards. So there is a section in your current, uh, manual with respect to, to deed compliance that states that an architectural review flagpoles and flags the, the section. Yep. Number one is that one freestanding flagpole is allowed, but it shall not exceed a maximum height. 20 feet of 22 feet and shall not encroach on any easements. A RC is approval is required. Uh, number two, one flagpole attached to the dwelling is allowed, but the size must be consistent with the dwelling size and style, compatible with the aesthetic aesthetics of the neighborhood. A RC approval is not required. The design material and subject of the flag is not regulated by the developer or districts. All flags must be consistent with the size of the lot. And flagpole, all flags must be hung from a flagpole that is either freestanding or attached to the dwelling. Okay. That's not what the law says. The state law is right here before you, it doesn't matter. We can respect the deed restrictions, but those are private deed restrictions. This is state law, and the law supersedes any restrictions, covenants, uh, directives, anything. So we must follow the state law. They wrote this to protect homeowners. It's right there. It's your right. Yeah. I didn't see anything here that I didn't know before all this. I haven't figured out what the issue is, is my problem. The issue is this homeowner exercising his right under seven 20, chapter seven 20, was told to remove his portable flag in his yard. The villages, as I understand, has no authority to do that. They're overreaching on seven 20 here. Okay. This is a difference of private deed restrictions versus state law. My understanding is that back in, was it 2018, um, before I was representing the districts that this issue was brought up and researched by prior legal counsel, there are minutes, um, and I don't know if there's a memo or anything further on the issue, but this has been looked into before. And from what I understand, based on that opinion, um, what the dis what the district is doing is permissible. I haven't researched the issue myself. I'm not sure you want to direct me to do that. Um, but you know that that's up to this board. But again, you, you have an opinion from 2018, and I believe you were on the board in 2018. And district council at that time was Valerie, uh, Fox, who provided that opinion. So the question is, what are we gonna do now? Are you gonna direct me, um, to do some research and determine whether, um, what we're doing is proper in accordance with law? Or are we gonna rely on the opinion that has already been paid for? That says it is. Um, you know, I don't know. The statute is what it is. The statute says what it says. I haven't researched case law, um, on that and what that might, what effect that might have on, um, our rule. Um, but again, prior legal counsel did so. Alright. This was at 2018. Yes, sir. This chapter was written four years ago. So how could you consider this chapter in your legal opinion? And it doesn't even Exist. First of all, it's not my legal opinion. Second of all, the statute, I go back and look at 2018, and that statute is in the statutes. That particular section seven 20, lemme pull it up. It is a little different. The vari the variation of it in the version of what was in 2018. And what we have now is different, but it's there. So it's probably been amended throughout the years. Um, but I know in 2018, it's there. I don't know how far back. I just went to 2018 because that's when the opinion was provided. So, um, I'm on there now looking at 2018. Let me pull it up. 7 23 0 4. Yeah, it's there. I mean, again, it looks different. Um, in 2018, two a referenced the size. It had similar language, but rather than break down the type of flags that are permitted, um, it was all in one paragraph. It says United States Army, Navy, air Force, Marine Corps, coast Guard. So, so it was there in 2018. Um, clearly it is been revised some, right? It's been revised some. So, um, again, it's up to this board as to how they wanna proceed. Whether they wanna look into this or rely on prior counsel's opinion, whether, you know, whatever you wanna do. Well, I would like to rely on the present law. It's very plainly written. It's ensuring the rights of our homeowners in District eight, the right to display an American flag or the other flags portable or on a pole. Either one. This homeowner should not have been told remove that flag. Okay. So you've heard, um, Mr. Anderson's position and what he'd like to have done. It's up to this board to decide whether you want to take any action or direct staff or district management counsel, anybody to do anything further. Um, Is this, is this information available to our, um, to our, um, what, what's the title of our retired judge? That Judge Neal. Judge Neal. Judge Neil. So Judge Neal wouldn't consider this unless a case was presented to her. Um, and since there's no active case, there's nothing that she would be able to rule on or look at. She must be aware of this. I'm sure she is. Or we have another alternative. You want, you can seek an attorney general opinion on this. This is right for that. Well, we've got ways to display the flag. Right? You put up a 20 foot flag pole and you, and, and you put your flag on there and, and you put light on it if you're gonna keep it up at night Yes. A respectful manner. Yes. And it, and this says you can, you can, uh, mount a flag on the side to say the side of your garage or something. Yes. Correct. And it, it does state that the flagpole and display are subject to all building codes, zoning, setbacks, and other applicable governmental regulations, including, but not limited to noise and lighting ordinance in the county or municipality in which the flagpole is erected. And all setback and locational criteria contained in the governing document, which is the, when you do the a RC uh, process, it's ensuring that it's not within an easement. Right. Where you're placing the, the flagpole, it's, it's the flagpole is permitted and the portable flagpole is permitted. So this is, this is, I would imagine something that community standards is aware of, Correct? This was, this is within the governing documents for this board. Yeah. So I'm, I, in my mind, I'm not sure what there is to do. Committee standards is aware of this. So why did they instruct the homeowner to remove the, the portable flag? That's a question. I don't know. And I would like to know that I've asked for that, but no response. So I can't tell you why, because it says, and one portable removable, there was only one, one portable flag at issue when community standards came out. Does community standards presently know the reason they can step to the podium and tell us? Well, well wait a minute. Let me see. Let me, let me see if I'm catching up with you on two A. All right. Because I'm just getting old and slow. Uh, the first flag is a US or state of Florida flag. The second flag is a service or A-P-O-W-M-I-A. So these are once US or state the other is service or P-O-W-M-I-A. Yes. The military. All the military. I don't see space boards here, but I'm sure that came later after this. Yeah. That was written. But by logic and consideration, space Force flag flew down. I mean, I, I'm, I'm not counsel, but it seems to me that the second flag is not one of those, It's not our Marine section two, air Force Marine, it's section two that let lists all the flags and then subsection B oh B, which is directly under two. Any homeowner freestanding then addresses the freestanding pole. Okay. I got one of those. Okay. I put my American flag on there. Yep. I don't have any, uh, service flags. If I did, I'd put it under my US flag on the pole. Right. So that's where a RC approval is required though, for the easement and any type of setbacks for placement of the pole. Yeah, I ran it through the A RC. They conferred with the placement of the flagpole. Well, the only requirement here for a freestanding flagpole is no more than 20 feet high. Right. It does not say you have to get approval from A A RC or something like that. Now, if you want to consider that, you want to add that to the language of the law, that's another issue, your Honor. But it, it does not require a citizen to go and get permission of where to put the flag pole unless it's infringing on line of sight, common sense, things like that, that a RC probably would consider. So just as, um, stated earlier, there's the provision two B requiring the flagpole and display being subject to all building code zoning, set setbacks. I other, I would think so. Other Applicable govern governmental regulations, including, but not limited to. And if Governing Document on an easement. So again, board, I mean, you, These are government agencies though. These are not private restrictions, private entities. Your rule that you adopted is a governing document for district eight. And your ARC manual is something that you've approved as a governing board for district eight. Right. So again, you're kind of going in circles here. It, you know, we know what the issue is. Now. Um, the question is what are we gonna do about it, if anything? And I just need board direction or we need board direction, whether you want community standards to work with me, to work with district management. What you want to do now that this information has been made available work With community standards. Right. I think we've worked with community standards. Yeah. Do you want me, do you want to pay for legal services to research this legal issue? Or do you want to try and let them work it first? Well, I'd rather let them try to work it first, right? Yeah. Let them try to work it first. And if that doesn't, we'll make a rec, you know, a secondary recommendation sometime. Okay. Yes. All right. So we'll Put this and in that just a minute. And in that we would like to know, I would like to know why you community standards went out and when they saw this, why did they ask that homeowner to remove the flag? Well, You can go and talk to 'em. You can go talk to 'em. Well, actually, uh, the other chairman asked me to talk to the, uh, director of community standards. Uh, Matt Armstrong. Well, Is that right? Matt Armstrong. He's the director. Shannon's the head lady here. Correct. Okay. I did ask him the question that the chairman asked me to ask him, and he refused to answer it. So, oh, what am I gonna do here? Well, I bet you Shannon would talk to you. Why don't we, why don't we just, um, as you mentioned, work with district manager management working Well, What's gets presented And Okay, Bring it back To all I trust Ms. Brittany. Yeah. We'll put the, we'll put the head on. And in the meantime, community standards until we get resolution, please don't go out to the homeowners and start removing the American flag until we get certainty. I'm certain, but please, Yeah. The, The, let's put it in the basement. If I can just state we are, we are content neutral when it comes to flags. We, it's the, it's the display of flags and making sure it is properly placed based on your current rule is what staff, staff is looking at the rule in place and applying that. Okay. What, what rule is there that says they can go out and remove a portable flag from someone's front yard? That's the question I asked earlier and never got an answer. Where is the rule? So the, the provision was emailed to you, and I read that into the record on what is currently required for a, A flag pole. But this is a portable flag. Where is the rule on portable flags? I understand the pole flag, but this, this was removed not a pole. May we know that when you deliberate, I believe we've answered the question on the record with how the rule was, was being applied with the, with the, from the de compliance standpoint, Not, not portable flags. Madam not portable. I, you know, it's 20 feet in the air. That's a pole flag. This is a little more than a foot. Where in the rule does it say you had the authority to tell that homeowner? Remove that flag, that portable flag. Okay. Okay. Now I'm, I'm still locked up and this is why I'm not an attorney. 'cause I'm too slow. Okay. I'm still locked up on, Hey, you could two A, that second flag needs to be a service flag or P-O-W-M-I-A flag. We'll research this, this statute let us take a look At it doesn't say to be context US flag removal United States flag. That's the American flag. No, well, the first one chairman, the first one is the, uh, you know, the 20 foot flag pole? Yeah. Then the second one is a service. The first one. Well, you say number one, I'm, I'm sorry, don't mean to interrupt you. Yeah. There are two affordable removables. The first one is a US or a state of Florida. Yep. The second one is, uh, service. Yep. It ain't a US flag, Mr. Chairman, any homeowner may display one portable. This is a portable, you can move it around portable. Okay. You know, move around so you wouldn't have a 20 footer. They haven't got to that language yet. They're just Okay. And then removal, American flag, Florida flag, uh, and then removal official flag, not more than four and a half feet by six. That's the maximum that did the flag. They don't want some big garrison flag out there in front of your house. Right. You know? Right. So they did put a restriction on that four and a half by six. Alright. I, I guess I'm not grasping your argument, but we have, we do have, uh, Brittany charging forward to work with community standards to, uh, yes. To verify that what we're doing is correct. Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah. I'm too slow. I'm, I'm gonna hold, I'm too slow. So we get Brittany to figure this out. Yeah. Yeah. We look forward to the report next month. Yes. As soon as additional information's available, we'll provide that to the board. Yeah. The book. Uh, but in the open meeting here. Sure. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Sure. You, you, you email us thing. So I I was just wondering, not email, but open to the public. Right. Sure. Okay. Very good, Nick. Well, that was exciting. Do we have any other topics we need to talk about? Yes. One, one quick item here, uh, regarding the little white Cross case. Uh, we're, we're, we're still working and the court has ordered us back to mediation. So I want to, uh, suggest maybe council and the board next month want to have your closed session, of which I will not attend, but, you know, talk about the compromises that you may be willing to do at the mediation. That's what this is all for. The, uh, the judge, she's not, uh, too happy about this. You know how long this has been going on. She notes in her order too long. We all agree. It's too long. I counsel his counsel right here in her first paragraph, not requested a session. Yeah. So the Reason 1000, just a minute, please. 1,974 days. This case has been going on 5.4 years. This is why I'm asking. Maybe next month you want to go into closed session? Talk to counsel. He will be at the mediation and see where you guys, you know, want to do. Well, he'll, I'm sure he'll let us know. No, you would let him know you're the board. I don't go to these meetings. You're, you're not invited to the mediation, but you are, uh, it's your lawsuit. So the way the statute works is whenever I request or need a closed session with you, I request it. Yeah. Uh, my understanding, and I guess I'm wrong, I thought Mr. Anderson, that you had said the last time that you were no longer going to sit out of the shade, shade meetings. Are you saying that you will sit out and let Yes, yes. I'll, yes I will. Okay. All right. So if, if, Mr. Correct, if Mr. Anderson stating on the record that he will not attend the shade session, I would like at this point in time, to ask for a closed session with the board. Very good. To discuss litigation Mr. Anderson's case for the October meeting. Yeah, we'd welcome that. Yeah. Good. Very Good. Okay. So we'll do that. Uh, we'll notice that and schedule that for next one. Okay. Very good. Very good. Yeah, that was a new info and made a difference. I guess. It does, Yeah. Okay. We got anything else we want to talk about? Yep. I'll make a motion to adjourn. Do we have a second? Second. All in favor? I'm your default person. Aye. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Bill.