General Plan Committee

offers science and.. Nature of the musical .. >> of davis standing by. City of davis captions by. City of davis by. City of davis standing by. >> all right, we are back we're now record welcome to the general committee. Everyone. We're going to do a approval of the agenda calendar. We'll continue our general plan update and after that point we'll welcome public okay. So that roll call, I think we're missing sarah moore no. Oh, sorry. Got you. Tony and alan okay. Ellen .. >> okay >> among approve the consent calendar. >>.. >> can I get a motion to approve the agenda? >> to approve the agenda? >> thank you. A second, second. In favor >> aye. >> next, we move on to calendar. >> move to approve.. >> all in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> all right. Now we will hear.. I from dara dunworth about meeting administration and procedures. Thank you, MADAM Chair. Actually, that consent items so that document before you is for your reference. That is the consent you use in the future. We're on item number three. So we can to item four here. Right. Moving to item four. Now we're going to continue our conversation from JULY 22nd on the general plan update yes thank you MADAM Chair. I'd like to introduce eric jurkovich with all and she is here again with us tonight to present some additional information that's outlined in the staff report. The slides are similar, but there's again, additional information that the general plan committee and the planning commission. For on JULY 2nd. So we'll be new information out to the discussion that commenced on JULY 20th will continue. I would just like to make for the audience that public will be based on the new material will not be able to accept. Comment. General public comment. Or comment. Anything that was previously presented JULY 20. Okay. Thank you so much. I'll turn it over to eric >> evening everyone. Nice to see you and thanks for having us back here. This evening. I'm going to do a presentation. I'm sarah said some of the materials that were requested a the previous meeting. I'm going to talk a little bit about housing trends in the city trends on MR. Davis campus. We're going to talk a little bit about targeted population and housing. City, and then a little bit of conversation around utility capacity with itself. This all in addition to the materials that you all heard a couple of weeks ago when we were here. Then a little of the feet that we received a community members as well as the who also have the same item in the evening after they committee meeting going to start with. How trends start here within the city of davis. So these two graphs show the population trends backand for the city you can see on the on the left hand side, both the population and housing trends by gade and you can see the population housing both grew pretty rapidly from the 1970s and even earlier than that through 2000. And then you can see after 2000, a leveling off of both population and housing units with but particularly population. So 15 years or so in molested in the city on the right hand side, you can see the housing units that were constructed a decade within the city. So from you can kind of see a left hand side of that graphic that cream. 2000, the city was producing a significant units each decade. In the 4 to 4 to 5 to 6000 range. And then after that, you can see drops off after the page just the passage of measures, but changes in conditions. The build out of the city. Right? So all of those things are happening kind of simultaneously. And you can see how these 2000 kind of per decade.. The city oh, by resolution tracks the number of permits units. Occur in the city. And city staff presented the council earlier this year. And this graphic comes from that presentation. And staff report number of issued by year city for the total number of housing units and the total number of restricted housing units as well. By so affordable housing, moderate income units now those restricted units are part of the total number here. So they're not added so when it says in 2025 units and two of them were restricted, that means that 773 on 2%. Also asked about housing trends at uc davis this earlier this year. In council earlier this year received a presentation from uc davis on the of the 18 long range development plan lrdp as it's known colloquially when that was approved, there was a city or county and davis. About of housing and urban just over time is a great resource and want to learn more about what's happening on campus, and that's listed as well the lrt projected out an increase of about 9000 beds on campus on its base. 16 to a build out year in 2031. Since that past I built about 6200 beds. Campus since that time, the remaining about 2800 beds on under that plan as you hear in te. Presentation from a lot of those projects are in planning works. With the growth in on campus beds for housing student. The also present on student enrollment at uc davis. So since the baseline 2016 2017 school year, we're the baseline for the development plan. They've added about 2100 2200 students to the student body. Population. About 6200 beds on campus so the net effect of that has been a much, much greater portion of the population. Living on campus on from 29. To 1617 now up to about 42% from 2526, with the goal of, I think, 47, 48%. On on so you can kind of see that increase over also asked about about future housing and population needs on the city and how to think about that in context of the general plan land use map. I'll just start saying no. Single source for to go to and say, this is the how many jobs will be planning for this is exactly how many housing units we should be planning on so what we ty and do some triangulate a little bit of these differences of information, which all built used for different purposes and are a little bit apples to aples and a little bit apples to oranges in some so we've got three specific data sets here.. The first is how department o plans for us these for every county in the state to look at future population growth over time. They think to 2080. I think in state at these are projections based on the economic conditions. The county and they're really reflective of those conditions. They're more a call it the set of projections the sacramento area council will governments regional transportation plan and sustainable community strategy. Also has a forecast regionally bsed use forecasts to help plan for where population housing, jobs go with around the statue statutory chateau region. Forecast a little bit different than the sort of. The socioeconomic driven forecast. It's really on some policy considerations. So where do they want located? Their transit la ask emissions. But based on available limited time when they lose projections. So that affects the projection and that davis will have in the allocation forecast and the final one is h or the housing the state of california's housing department's regional housing needs allocation those less knowledgeable about those forecasts on every eight years for different housing cycle, the allocation, the estimates done at the state level first and then state level for those terminations are then passed down to regional governments who then allocate those from regional governments to local jurisdictions within their region. That regional government of course those housing determination are done for all different things. Sur.. Affordable housing. Moderate income housing market rate housing and the region. So these are not just a projection of future need. These are also a project of current so the conditions that people need housing and don't have enough housing in those jurisdictions. They're all a little bit different. And they all have different purposes. Tried to do on this slide is kind of compare our you would fall on that spectrum housing by 23 for the city of davis. So this housing projections. So there's about 2000 a year. Currently in the city we stack three different sets of kind of forecast as to understand what they might like in the future. So the bottom line, the kind of line is sacog forecast. That's the lowest. And that's it again, because there's very little available land in the city lower city of davis you can see the more demand based forecasts from the state of california kind of middle of going into the future is a little bit higher forecast because that's looking more at the graphic shifts across the overall and then the tar is the regional housing allocation trend we did there and the six cycle housing element update 2000 housing units that housing so over the plan will look at at least two and a half, four cycles of regional housing needs and cycles in this. Beyond that cycle. So we looked at the total total amount of housing based on the extrapolating number just to give us kind of a home for us understand how how needed. We then kind of converted the population. 5000 into this range of estimated population of 70,000, high end low end a sense of that range that we're that we're looking at right?. Now as the recommend as staff report mentioned, and as suggested to the council back in JULY recommended for about 6200 additional units. Beyond the the six cycle housing elements, 2000 units, really to try to accommodate that future need over time and make sure there's enough capacity. So that city has capacity for those housing one of the other discussion items that came up with here. Committee and the commission was really focused on, well, does really have the capacity for translation system to utilities to meet serve both existing residents was are jobs. As well this is just a really simple. Graph utility infrastructure, city. There's a lot of different kinds of infrastructure. In particular, we're going to be talking about transportation. The effects of the land use pattern on transportation, and building that, how it can evolve and adapt over time to meet current and future needs. We'll be talking about the so water sanitary sewer, water treatment, right to understand what kinds of limitations that MAY be city. City additional needs for those services in the community and to make sure like big enough wastewater treatment and hand all the assets that moves through the ends of the system. And so that staff has been working on is really understand where some of those restraints be in the system thresholds MAY be in the system to how much has to their current system. And so one of the, one of the key points in the system is the wastewater treatment facility, right? That's your end point of effluent out of your city. To capture. So based on some work that was done for the farms and the willow grove projects, the city worked and did some analysis to really understand how much existing capacity at the plant itself that initial kind of back of the envelope kind of calculation. That there's about a 8000 additional units beyond kind of well as some other that were in the pipeline. That would also accommodate additional jobs growth so it could housing, right. See, jobs and housing this is kind of an analysis to help us really just understand parameters. And then once we kind of lock in and know better, have to do more detailed analysis not just the the wastewater treatment the system, rights or water. General resources little bit of background on some of the issues that te committee members commission members brought up last time going to do a reminder of the revised draft. Before I get started in describing it I'm going to go through a quick fix. So the first is we haven't changed these last front of we wanted to have the same discussion using the same information that would provide last time as well a the commission. On a is see that the village farms is still on the map. There are a lot. Comment and. Commissioner comment about that during the meeting. We have not changed the map. These maps were in progress. Well before the. Of the voter initiative and we know the response from the voter on that project. We want to commissioners tonight, is what you think about that project. Well how what you think we should do with it on the mp. The third thing is we heard a lot of comments about space easements and not converting those to urban uses plan that we're going to make changes to the base network or to any of those conservation easements then finally, we heard a lot of comment about folks wanting to see the transportation the same time as the land use working on the network. So streets, the transit infrastructure, the bike ped infrastructure, and even truck route. Sortation is to, as we refine the map defines that network. It out to community discussion in the fall. So with all that to start, this is the part of the land use map. You'll recall that it includes a changes in town of downtown area to increase densities. But entire downtown plan so include the area south along the fall of which is extend the downtown south see across the map a handful of neighborhood centers on some of the transit routes in the cty, which we have increased the heights of the density increasing heights and densities for and then all along. Corridor to increase. The opportunities to allow higher intensity... We also looked at some existing space and institutional lands as well as some of the family neighborhood. So this includes some changes to existing faith based lands to allow them to increase their height greater than under allowed under law same for dj used sites that they've identified as possible candidates and then also, as we talked about last time in increase in residential neighborhoods up to about eight units per acre of a mix of housing units housing types within those also, as you'll recall, looked at concept for the areas and outside of city limits. That we through this includes those three different projects. So the project will grow project to village farming projects are all on their well as areas areas to the north of the city and north along the this map. As we we met with you all JULY 2010. We took comment we all were commission. The same from our share a little about that comment. Heard a lot of very similar comments. Some comment period in the planning commission. Her. Here. With you all in the general plan commission meeting these are of the comments. La redrawing of farms or adjusting that limit line to a containing those sure transportation plan so that height and density as well as to house more students lot of other things too, but those are some of the things we heard.. And then this is a little bit of a summary of what we heard planning commissioners that you deliberated on the same items as you all had some comments about making sure we're planning for an infrastructure. At the time as planning making sure that we're still at the same time, there's a on making some retail within the neighborhood centers, which question we asked, which I'll share again, you all this this afternoon, the and then was work considering south of the existing city limits but also looking at improvements that term about was toronto. Borders. To the south. So maybe that's next the next and then north limits. Looking at course, which was match up there sure that all the areas are walkable and people can do news within neighborhood. We also heard desire to increase density to to those uses.. Was a summary of planning and public comment. Just of next steps here take from all of you all and our job is going to be then to take all that comment from you and do a version of this land use map. The goal will then be to bring for community members in the so I would workshops have surveys. Have council presentation council so the goal is again, we're here to get feedback. This is not a item right. So we're here to get feedback and then we'll come back with that revised those motion also just a reminder for the questions that we asked last time we actually took one off to make it a little simpler but first, just impressions about the symptoms and housing in the future. And then if you had specific recommended changes to more also want to make sure you let us know what you think about the trainings south of the city and then finally , one of the questions that we have for you all today is in these neighborhood centers and transit, or lower allowing higher heights. A lot of those have existed commercial uses be okay for some time and not to have commercial uses just to move forward as a.. Session, we in those can be influence. The feasibility of residential projects and not as feasible as others could thank you for joining us again. Now hearing your.. >> right. Thank you. Next we have comment. Opportunity. For public comments are limited to three. And just as a reminder thank you for everybody who sent in messages. We receive them. Principal them to us. Public comments tonight need to be focused on the housing press of the city of davis and the target population. And or the utility capacity just to keep us this conversation on with that, I welcome public comment. >> hi, my name is susan. I'm a california licensed architect and and I live in future. Question I'll try to I that since 1909 and I - have seen a big change in the leadership of davis seems to be a lot more developer than it is to have a to the stellar bike community that can be highways all the way to sacramento. Maybe even wouldn't that be nice? I mean, we could go famous for that. And to be more like village was there's more and living haven't heard much about any of those targeting you energy and I think that should be something that's put into the mostly I want to say that not to see more respect for voters role certainly don't want to see the. J don't think we should build on any davis I think we need to hve protection of easements, habitat, and open space think the transportation infrastructure plan must be planned before major we don't want to just be known for gridlock in davis think there's a greater responsibility for uc davis to how their students, faculty, staff and that higher density housing on university owned such as park, which could be a net zero energy. Very nice would call for no more dorm develops because they're basically closets with the and so these mega have massive flushings say our ridiculous. The development of patterns that prior to safety. Sustainability and resilience. And excellent infrastructure I'll just close that boundary of us could well be shown that designate village farms as a future development. The general plan should show the boundaries, not the. The not pre-approved, the project I'll take the design of it off. Just show us that could be causing city must not use the general process as a ploy.. Rejected the village farms is again in the future. It should have to stand on its own merits. Address the concerns that led to addiction and measure. J and go through the appropriate public democratic process. >> thank. Susan next comment. Thank you for doing the job. >> difficult job. Appreciate each one of you. My name is beth. This program. >> that's called resident scholar program is a program for >> students with intellectual disabilities at uc & davis. I'm also a parent a young adult with down syndrome and the. Am here to plead for real intentionality for the with disabilities and transportation. Specifically protected lanes. Did bike lanes are mobility. Lanes and we. We should be able to have access in that way. And as a general plan that should be a priority for. Especially advent of e-bikes are damaging for the disability community really need to prioritize mobility of these people. So thanks for your time. Have a good day. >> thank you. Beth. Next comment. >> yeah, my name is miller davis a reason that there's a railroad that runs with town to keep downtown out neighborhood. This year. G. Jumping over the downtown these davis all these davis sends it to railroad tracks and just you.. Now, I've been waiting years for this meeting for the general bnd i do.. >> oh >>.... We downtown plan and a few years later they wanted to this thing that they had ss and they had a vision of exactly what the developer. Had wanted. Number one. When they had number two, which was gigantic. And then they had number three, which was huge. >> to interrupt your flow. Please keep it to the talking points to discussion. >> points are well, >> they are housing trends population. >> housing they so they decided, of course, number one, which was exactly what the developer wanted then they wanted trackside. Also then transition housing trend from larger in downtown east then we said, hey, you trackside is too big well, you know, our said that was just a suggestion and so there's this overlay. Thing. It turned out to be a suggestion you know, this town that has holes enough to swallow a bike and then has and actually say reward for being a town right so I know y'all gotta check boxes. Season. I've been looking forward to coming to this meeting. Don't be coming anymore because I want to tell all the behind me. I I'm old and I've been through this before. And you all are wasting your time. This is just about checking a box we had public meetings. And then when the future comes plan will be obsolete. Did he find a way to change it? It's already cards going to go drink some ale. And I don't even >> drink >> next comment please. On >> the revised >> land a. >> name is mark and I'm 30 year a resident and acting chair of the central. What neighborhood association? I want to point out that when asked that general plan that out if you are last said. You're invited. Share your ideas concerns and feedback directly with and everyone's voice matters. We hope to see you there. So that's kind of we're not exactly getting that vibe here. From you guys I want to I came to the meeting. Surprised upset even before to talk about many things recently. I thought the general plan of doing a good job affecting conservation easements. I know but I appreciated that the recent adjustment to the southern annexation area to done to avoid land. So the land use map was changed it's there's a conservation easement down at the bottom right. And you changed it to avoid that. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. >> okay. >> but there's something you didn't was shock to discover that this is revised draft maps low residential low housing on the north davis conservation easement. It's a 13 acre conservation easement along road 113. Okay. Right above mla shown as yellow, which is rsidential housing. That's 13 acres, right there. Okay. This error. That land is permanently not available to build a residential neighborhood. Placeholders have permanent and I make the same point. About the village farm. And people have made that point place home placeholders have a way of becoming permanent. If you worked in any kind of bureaucratic like davis, ever, which I did that happening. About placeholders so i'm also concerned as far as housing trends that whole big one. 13. Epansion up there, which I call the death star because it almost no obvious green or brown base. Especially for major water infrastructure. And it almost completely blocks wildlife corridor in your natural resource report >> I know not understand how a land use maps can evaluate them before flood control parks and connectivity will actually work. So in closing correct the maps and reaffirm that all existing conservation easements are permanent. And that all of these things need analyzed at the same time okay. >> thank you. >> thank you.. Comment. >> good evening dear commissioner. City staff and consultants in I have been a long term. Davis years. I'm greatly concerned that the general pan is being backed and appears to an overhaul of our current excellent citizen based plan, the issues that concern me, the most include the following. The old certification and potential to eliminate single family housing and allowing only high family housing does not work on one size fits all solution to our housing challenges. While there is a need to increase the density. Some extent, it needs to be reasonable and not detrimentally on our existing neighborhood. In the case of high density 5 to 7 story housing does not provide flexibility in families want for the kids and city needs to mix of low, medium and high density housing and developments. Different residential needs. Next point increasing housing density does not work without. First public transport transit system is designed primarily to davis. The entire community. Leading to many of the. On proposed housing underserved, especially during school breaks and. Increasing the traffic congestion. Conversely, trying to increase significant language is needed in the to pressure yeast far more high density housing on campus for students and staff. Being the largest uc campus with huge amount of government land for housing such as the west village, there is no reason why cannot also contain at least 50% of campus housing like a except for land use already, uc irvine and san diego, uc san diego. Successfully build in high student housing. So is no excuse do so well. Finally, davis is one of the current citizen. General preserved and not it needs some updating that does not mean discarding some policies and principles must be no changes or amending of measure j. Date jrd the citizens right to vote on uses of open space and agricultural land. Davis do not want to measure jrd weaken exemptions and vulnerable to being overturned. Thank you >> thank you sir. Next comment. >> high >> my name is I'm a resident and I've been here served the five years as management commission and was for the city so first I want to remind te commission is a designated trick. It's not by single houses. So to make change. >> just to interrupt the comments are limited to the three topics. Okay, wonderful. >> thank you. Okay. And so when you make change to downtown. To be approved by the. State level of historical resources management. Commission. Second, I want to emphasize the that's how I feel. I'm a real woman. I believe in I cn. Subject to a lot of opinions, but ai only has one month. You know looks like a woman. And pretending to be women. And so women's rights should keep to women and ai machine learning robots. Always clearly identify themselves as artificial system and the third one is, you know, we're talking about the city planning I'm watching a lot. I just to break down on my push and the european court very I walk around a lot. I don't see the had before the pandemic if you go around the city, the bicycles anymore. And the two days ago I went to, you know, a ace hardware I happen to notice the down the building. I want to make aware that the is built by by the chinese empire. And when I see seeing the ruins of cable wire being, you know, and the switches and I work for davis, as an it manager for 18 years at the institute for transportation studies and that building was data center for america for the city davis. I don't think, you know, the planning commission knows about that. About historical I didn't know the didn't know how how much and I believe that was making. Robots. Ad another thing about this I don't see the growth of the and the pandemic. Take a lot of people lives. I don't know why we need to expand and to take farmland without taking online. And the third one, just opening. I bought a house and rancho 192. La la year. We will keep that as ranch, yolo and I back >> thank you. Thank you. Next comment. >> I live in rancho yolo. I would just like to request that you MAY. A renewable energy in this plan. That any of the new utilities and buildings really focus on getting us. 100% renewable energy efficient possible. Thank you. >> thank you. Next comment. I marianne and >> I live off of lane and I wanted to as a encourage an encourage you to remove the letter to be village farms land probably should so that rejected any above channel eight also to jr and that in mind that the voted on by the citizens should and then thirdly, you see davis as mentioned earlier to house staff, faculty. So we should put, you know, some not. On this you. >> thank you. Marianne. Comment. Is comments refer. >> to last meeting. This tell us if the meeting >> date >> so we can be.. >> to represent the people >> so please do not revise the mission statement and also do understand the question about personal opinion experiences. Bring back to that committee. We need to travel engage in and that the world's majority of people in davis will vote map to premature as there should be after multiple comments last time and be taken out by now. Is a to time rejection by voters in your was it details of actions and types and brought back here. Not. I'm sorry you guys. All the consultants please remove include a reduced. La also the most not acceptable. So they can issue by voters as on some, but not others. The map does not enlarge the map similar color, so it's hard to figure out what everything is threatened species. I site and esewhere conservationists should really offer to development the last discussion was confusing as I thought all conservation easements were so clarified the areas and the different types of easement. If any, for discussing consolidated anything solutions, including better transit to meet our council historic preserved and on the the limit line is problematic because the public was no questions. Information or cons to think about. Now seems and applies within. It as a priority this effects with no plan for this reason, we should instead be careful. Potential element. This supporting measure j as it is, a mix of housing types do not include loss number with several recycles within the duration of the general plan. Setting a target number now wont be accurate. We already have accountability by targets. Each cycle. We need to make sure that these are transparent, accurate consistent community and just a maximum estimate sounds like my as a content. On campus has taken to the to be more connection annexation ccd my comment. Absolutely did not have the city has no control over uc growth and ucd is physically & disconnected from city housing. It is university who needs to continue being a on campus student and staff housing students on campus asucd but it is appropriate for those o campus to vote. The city of protecting on term conditions and taxes. We after a few years, those who do live off campus are. Due is a general plan should be for the city of davis city thank. You next comment. Hi, my name is elizabeth ray. I 76. A very long time. It's really disheartened. Upset to see the old version I'm still being included as possible you and I'm. Speakers said that if you entered as a possibility, it becomes a something that just all of a sudden have this is a from have voted on this this really that we do not want this project moving forward a set of very unique. Circumstances as to why we don't want to regards to our general plan. 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And cities so in order to please keep measure g, d te la thank you. Elizabeth. Next.. >> professional scientist and director of the transformation. Of not here. To talk about environment, environmental science. I'm here to talk more about democracy because more than more realizing that all levels democracy is for people have enough money they can get their way. They regardless of the people from been on by the davis twice as a place for and I'm really appalled that the it's. Filter. And if we have any kind of effect for democracy, we respect the will of the voters of davis. Who do twice. The same area. As earlier the. The same area that was sensitive many reasons to vote in the.. Then. This really important to have that voice have control the boundaries of davis of urbanization. We have that attack. People feel like they can get their way and they'll go to the people. The people that we're middle class and anybody else have a baby anymore. But i democracy and I'm here to speak for democracy voters farms down twice thank you. >> thank you. Next comment. >> good evening brad sutton from the city of davis is regarding the utility infrastructure and discussed.. Capacity in our current flood control system. Based on the existing conservation easements easements are section eight, 15.2, section b needed for the health, safety and well-being of the community regional housing needs do not project housing conservation easements when determining how element allocations are easement is needed where it is to prevent increased flooding to increased greenhouse gas emissions and increased depth frequency, depth and duration of flood events already have area flooding. And if we take out the conservation easement and put more surfaces, it's only going to increase that the future. The planning is that the city should plan for housing, economic utilizing land for their available for not land statutorily protected in perpetuity for conservation easements. General plan. Plan expressly preserve all conservation easements in not U.S. Language and to reject any policy updates that would call consolidation swap or extinguishment existing conservation keep measured. For democracy and removed village farms from the general plan. Thank you. >> thank you. Next comment. I well I served on the the current general plan so. Familiar with the general also coordinator of this.. Concerns about the general plan update central letter artery current next in progressive general plan appears to comprise over 15 committees, 100 citizens appears to had commissioner and cost of $1 million. And it's a it's a model of general planning uses a template of cities. So it just neds to be supplemented. Does not need a major overhaul of gutted. So that's one point we do not want to amended or to be exempted questions. So the general plan need to subject so need to leave alone is reasons for that importantly needs a critical change regarding the village farms so voted twice. It's been rejected for many reasons, including the toxics issues, unsafe access impact, the list goes on. So needs to be done is this urban limit line do an urban line drop it. So that it is down to the lake channel. A so that no development above the channel. A explained the reasons why that critical building are floodplains. I mean that is like a fundamental. You know ,, planning one. And yet this map has all kinds of dvelopment and proposed for on these huge. La one mentioned by margie about the request quadrant. No, the conservation and like the golf course. Come on. Another fundamental there are interrupted perpetuity into perpetuity. So should be no city should not accept any kind of a attempt to to on on that three. Much stronger in the general plan impression. We need to build far more and far higher density housing on campus. You over 500,300, a lot more 0009 acre, campus with a huge amount of land and village and park can accommodate far more housing for the students. And then also to commit to building at least 50% on campus like other places you see irvine. And san diego had those high density I sent you images of this and love it and it works very well. So thank you for >> thank you I see you. One more public comment. >> name is jeffrey I live town. The vice chair of the davis senior citizens commission the yolo county. La services lost by 276 votes. Had full commission support counsel and later this.. Those 276 votes were cast by nonprofit. Funded the davis. They la 100% of one male. Look point, old average hme price of war members over $1 million. Now j. The lot of development. The is approved.. What's going on is the passed by the state of california. Killed.. 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All right. >> about how.. Festival or make it put it somewhere else. Thank you. >> even when I try to enlarge it enlarge to the screen size. But then I'm flipping between the math and the key, and then I can't see the streets to see exactly where things are put I don't know if there can be a bigger one and paper that we can look at or something like that. >> yeah, actually, I don't think that I >> to be in the library like you have the there could be like a big map and maybe the binder in the library that we could actually look at when you guys are closed. When I work, it's hard to to your office, but if it's at the library, like the ayers have been, that's really helpful. >> okay.. >> nice of you to listen to me. Thank you. I appreciate it. >> yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Those are good suggestions. We'll take a. >> look >> thing, we could talk about doing too is in the packets. Like you said, you can't see the legend and blow up the edges where you. >> can.. >> actually separated into four chunks. Have the overall. But then show like cut lines and then you blow like blow up quarters of it. So then you have just like the corner and so it's more >> with the legend next to it. >> yes. With the legend, maybe down the or something. So when you enlarge the whole thing. Here would be nice rather than down to the bottom. Maybe that's something we can do as well because that's, that's just a matter of manipulating graphics and.. Then we've got versions >> great. Whatever works will be lovely >> well, yeah, thank you for the suggestions people to be able to see. Really good.. Critical decisions. Without the information public give you a sneak preview of public workshop. Is coming up on OCTOBER 14th. So that that outreach will be going >> out >> okay. Thank you >> to >> all right. I'm going to call us back to order.. Okay. Thank you all. Thank you all for showing up for the public comment for the rich discussion. It's really exciting to have this work before us on the general plan. I am filling up a little bit o time. Why people quiet down and get in their seats. So the next step is we're going to start with clarifying questions. Questions not comments. For presentation. And then we will, after the clarifying questions, get into comments. So I'm going to start on my left down here with sarah. We'll work our way down with a questions and then we'll start with eric on the comments and work our way back. At the comments. After the questions. So take it away. >> thank you my question is just is there any timeline, any clarification at all about when the mobility element will be available for us to look at you've said things that are like, it's in progress, but I don't know. Does that mean. 2027 or does that mean next month or anything? >> great question. We plan to, as we're making changes to the land use map, continue to update the mobility maps that are in progress that we're that we're making those again, are related to streets, bike as well as truck routes as per state law. Is to get that out with the revised land use map in the fall. When we do those net next round of community conversations. So that's the goal of of of releasing those at the same time. So people can talk about them in tandem >> good evening. Thank you everybody who came out tonight. Thank you to everyone who sent emails. I really appreciate the opportunity to learn more from what you all bring in have a couple clarifying questions following up on commissioner moore's question. Will we have an opportunity to reconcile between the land use map and the feedback we're giving now and the mobility map? Will there be a moment where we can look at them together, overlay them and say yes, the transit corridors as the mobility plan, you know, safe routes to school, all of that. Can we look at that with this and make further cmments >> be in the fall again, that'll be released all together in the fall when we come out with a push through community conversations as well as commission and council conversations on the map and the mobility network >> I have another & question about a couple of the terms that we have in the map as it stands right now. One of your prompts for us to think about excuse me. Is if we should be allowed to move forward commercial space is it what is the most expansive definition of commercial that we could have in that? Could it be? How could you say a little bit more about that? >> a lot of opportunity. Sites for land use change within city limits are on existing commercial properties. So those tend to be shopping centers or sometimes smaller business spaces that are maybe older and maybe and needed some tlc so one of the questions we asked is if a like a housing project came in for that site, would it be okay to move forward without any commercial component? So any retail or commercial services or dry cleaners, right, like the kinds of goods and services that we use for our daily businesses and the reason we ask that question is that often those are make projects a little less feasible. Tey become kind of a drag. So to speak, on a pro forma for a project that moves forward. So that's it's a question that we often ask and that often relates to retail space vacancies. And a lot of cities. So where we've required retail in the past, like there's a lot o vacancies due to changes in e-commerce, how we shop, where we travel to those kinds of things. >> I'm sensitive to that. I know we have stories within our community of spaces that we've had difficulty filling because they were designated in a certain way. So the sirit of my question is how flexible can we be with that definition when it's a requirement in order to make it maximally flexible for potential use over time and I think what I've heard you say is that this is based on most of the places we're targeting, have existing commercial zoning but we could potentially be flexible in the way we look at that. >> yeah, absolutely. And that's actually more of a zoning question than a & general plan question. We can right policy for flexibility in those uses. But ultimately it comes down to things like use tables and conditional uses and uses. Okay. Sites >> does far or far. And forgive me for not being sure what the correct way is. That also, under the same category as zoning, we wouldn't touch that here. I see sherry nodding. Yeah, okay. >> well, we do have to general plan requires us state law requires us to identify a density or an intensity for every parcel of land within the community. Okay. So in florida, ratio or far is a measure of intensity for commercial businesses. >> and for residential to right no, only for commercial >> we use dwelling units per acre as the measure for residential density, although sometimes in mixed use projects, you can use a combination of the two. >> okay, okay. Thank you for that. Have another question for you. What what would would we place future energy needs under these maps? Would that land under industrial or public space or city owned land and I'm thinking about we're looking towards 2050. We're in the middle of an energy revolution right now in terms of battery use, net zero sustainable living and we don't. entirely know what kind of land use needs we're going to have today is there? What category on these maps would that fall under at this time? >> absolutely. Great question. So that could be a thing that you all comment on it would be again general plan policy that would direct how you would update the zoning code to allow those types of uses in certain specific zoning districts within the community. Right. Those would probably more likely be in commercial and parking types of districts where those are the allowed and permitted uses >> all right, hold on. Let me just take one second on my notes. Okay. That's that's enough questions for me now. >> thank you.. >> hello. Thank you for the update and the additional information. My only question is about the projection up through 2050. I was wondering if you could maybe reshow that slide or just restate that number. But then also remind the commission and the audience of the the projections of housing units in the plan, in the current proposed land use plans.. >> just give me one second. >> sure thing. >> okay, so we. This. This again, this graphic shows this sort of range or of potential outcomes for housing units from 3000, which was the sacog estimate all the way up to about 35,000, which was kind of three times the future regional housing needs allocation. That's the recommendation of staff to study that to to make sure there's adequate capacity to meet those future housing needs presented this last time, and it's not in the presentation today about the number of housing units. Overall within the there's within city limits. There are about 3200 units that are in the pipeline. Currently. So those are projects that have been reviewed and or approved by the city or are moving trough the process are about a thousand units that are still in the housing element sites inventory, which haven't, which are not part of one of those pipeline projects, but are kind of capacity within the city for future housing and then the land use map itself would add about 4000 potential units. At a kind of a maximum. With these changes that we've made within these centers. And then the downtown area, so that gets you to a capacity of about 8000 units. Some of those, again, are part of that original past regional housing needs allocation that from the last housing element cycle in the sixth cycle. Outside of city limits because the areas are pretty large, it's about 10,000 housing units within that kind of whole area outside of city limits. Tat totals about 18,000 to 18,000 to about 20,000 units. Kind of a range. There >> sorry, I was trying to write as he was talking really quickly. Can I just double check? I understand what you said. The the 3200 and then a thousand. And then there was a 4k. Another 4000. That's within the current city limits. And then you were saying on top of that, if we expanded on the land use map that you're proposing is another 10,000 or so. Okay. I'm sorry, I to make sure. >> thank you. >> and I'll just I'll just add that those are a preliminary kind of back of the envelope. There's a lot of as people have mentioned, a lot of constraints in those areas. So you wouldn't expect all of those areas to build out in that kind of capacity. Right? You'd have parks and streets and other civic facilities. So you probably get a smaller numbers for both of those >> thank you. That's all for me. >> well, I just want to start by saying I am really happy at the that are showing up tonight, the people that showed up at our first meeting, the community engagement, I think, is, is fantastic. And I appreciate all the emails that we've been receiving. So we're getting input and feedback from you all there was a comment earlier that sort of alluded to the thought that maybe we're unhappy about all this. I don't think we're unhappy about this. I think this general plan process is a really good thing. And many of us have been wanting to get to this for a very long time. So if we look dour or unhappy about things, we're not, maybe it's just serious meeting. Maybe that's it. But I want to rassure that this is positive and we thank all of you for being here. And we thank you for your input. So having said that, my clarification question I you stated something, eric there being the wastewater capacity for 8000 more units. Did I understand that correctly? >> yes. That's kind of a of the envelope estimate based on the work that had been done for the village farms and, and willowgrove to just get a better sense of what capacities remaining. >> so I'm still not clear what that means. So today is our wastewater fcility stands. We could add in 8000 more units and not do any more more work to it. Is that what I understand >> little bit there's a little bit more nuance to that because there are there are already projects that have been accounted for as part of that. So niche, I think the nishi project, many other kind of projects that have been approved are already kind of into that. it's the 8000 more units. Beyond what was what was and beyond all of those projects, plus village farms and willow grove. So it's beyond that growth amount. >> so I need I'm still not real clear. That's maybe, just me. So give me a moment here if I heard you. Then I'll call it v f because village farms seems to be really unpopular. So the v f project or that site and the willow grove site are in addition to the 8000, is that correct? >> right. Okay. So let me let me try and say it a slightly different way. Thank you for clarifying. And I apologize. It's very complicated. So there's the existing what's already on the ground now. Then there's. >> baseline to correct. >> and then there's a series of proposed and pipeline projects. Some of those within city limits, some like vrf and willow grove as well. So there's that capacity and then there's about 8000 units above that number. >> okay. >> so think about as a stat, you can stack them up >> again I'm sorry, you guys, but I want to make sure I get this. Okay. So if, if willow grove were voted in, in the NOVEMBER election we have capacity for it >> correct. Yes. >> and do we have more than eough capacity >> correct. Yes. >> okay. That's what I wanted to know. >> thank you.. >> all right. I'm following up on the the unit question eric, when you get a moment. So would you recommend that we pick a target or a floating average there was there were a bunch of different. Rena cycle targets in there.. >> at this point, I would say you can work with that band in that area that you think is an appropriate amount of housing the regional housing needs allocation and then determinations for local governance for the seventh cycle is underway. Now, it's already started in the sacog region. This is a multi-year process where they take the state allocation, and then it gets pushed down to local governments don't know if that will be, but all indications are that it will be another large number for jurisdictions across the state. So I would leave yourself flexibility to recognize that that number might be higher or around the same amount that you had last time. And then thinking about going forward, how that might play out in the future as well so I guess I would say leave yourself some flexibility think staff recommends planning for the higher number, just as a planning process right now to be conservative as we start to plan out the future and we do our ultimately do environmental analysis around a specific number. >> and is that higher number, the 7300 units. >> number is 6200 e 6200 units. Yeah. >> okay. >> beyond the existing housing needs allocation. >> yeah. >> okay. All right that's good to know another question along that I was working off the the, the 7300 units. Rena cycle because that was something that had been presented earlier on as well as the population increase slide that you had. And it looks like it's almost a ratio housing unit per person increase okay. All right. Just just double checking on that and then another question on the, the land use map that you have are you anticipating reaching the reaching those figures? By annexing with the annexed land and the densities proposed there are those and those all include parks and green space and all of the oher amenities as well >> the area outside of the city would provide the entire area would provide more capacity than what would be needed to make the housing to to meet that target overall it would give a lot of flexibility in that. And then within each of those areas, you would have parks and streets and green spaces that nt all of those areas would just be housing, right? So it would be a mix of different amenities and services and most communities, that's about 30% of all those areas are those kind of public spaces, so to speak >> okay. I think I got to that with the, the cycles. >> right. I appreciate the on the wastewater capacity. That was kind of what I had. So i'm good for now. I'll pass it over to steve >> okay. Want to from the last meeting you had a potential annexation map, which did not appear in here. There it is. And it looks different. Okay. Did you avoid. Yes, you did avoid the conservation area. The easement area. That was a big question. I had there.. Going back to the units question . The are the figures accommodated by the current draft the preferred the bird land use alternative .. >> with the with the both inside of the city and outside of the city. The answer is yes. Okay. With just inside the city. Probably not. >> got it. Okay. And .. You have a lot of different little colors. You know high, medium and low density residential along that 113 corridor. One one notable problem is that it's right between the two interchanges. They're not really close. They're not really close to I transit opportunity might have to have like another interchange, which is very expensive thing. And putting high density housing so far away from an interchange kind of doesn't make sense to me. But my question is when you designate these high medium and low density, actually, I don't see any low. I just see high and medium has that affect the actual plan. So the developer looks at that and says, okay, I have x is there like an average number of units in that that correspond to that color and then they can allocate like high density here, low and, you know, like have it make it more of a mix >> right, that's right. So this is a conceptual, pretty high level, right? When a project applicant would come in, they would take this similar to this break it down into different housing types at different densities. And different scales mixed together with the streets. Public spaces and all the other amenities and services that are part of tat system. Right? So this is this is your ten zero zero zero foot scale. And they would go down, you know, much, much greater detail to provide that. >> so, so it's more or less an average number of units. And then the developers free to design in whatever densities they want not really. >> you'd want it to be within the range that you're identifying as part of the density. Right. So those are kind of medium to higher density residential tpes. So we would want them to be designing within that range of of densities. Okay. >> moving on does flood control enter the realm of this planning process? >> talked about this last time. It's one of the items that we're working on following up. And we've had discussions with county and we'll continue in the public works department. We're going to continue working on that to better understand the actual conditions in these areas. Both the real conditions of model conditions, to understand what the actual flood impacts are parts of the area .. >> okay. I'll and which element does that appear in >> that goes into the safety element. Safety element. Yeah address it though in part in the land use element as well >> I'm in my general comments. I'm going to talk a lot more about that. And it really belongs in mltiple elements you. >> thanks. Thanks, eric. Thanks. City staff for updating the packet. I think there was a lot of comments from the community asking about you know who has built what. I think having that information staff report, I think is helpful. I think to lead to a discussion as to how much more should we build and who and where should we build it. And tat's going to be in the discussion that we're going to have today. And ongoing in this process. But having at least the same information available to us and campus apparently has built about 6000 beds. Dave has built about 2000 and change units over the same time frame. I think it's helpful to just have that as a starting point for that discussion. So I appreciate that getting getting added to tonight's agenda package. I do have a you know, it's a clarifying question, but I think I noted on page seven of the report. The department of finance projections were, I think misstated as projecting a 50% increase in population growth I saw that number and it didn't look right to me because it sounded like a very high increase. This is 50% increase in yolo county between 2020 and 2050. So I pulled the numbers and it looks like that should be 26% from two 218,000 in 20 20 to 270 8000 in 2050. I think the point 8% rate increase that is in the report is otherwise correct. But just to the casual reader. They MAY wonder, like I did, where does a 50% increase projection in the state of california for yolo county come from? I think that is a mistake. And should probably be corrected even though it was after the fact. Maybe I don't know. I don't think it affects the projections you had on the screen. Oay. But it was a shockingly large number, and I think that's why it's important to correct it. And I have a clarifying question on something else entirely. We talked about wastewater capacity. I know this is all like an estimation, and it's early days, but the question that I have is, does the type of unit we built depend on wastewater capacity for example, if it's 8000 single family homes, accounting for the same capacity requirement as 8000, you know,, two bedroom condos. >> typically different uses have different demand factors for resource use, whether it's water. And then the effluent as a result of those different uses is different. So single family homes versus homes, they would have different demand factors and they would have different effluent factors. As a result of of those units. >> and that makes sense. So I guess maybe a recommendation as we just engaging in this process as we're talking about different ways to grow our city. You know, and we're talking about what we can and cannot accommodate within existing infrastructure. We all realize that building an expansion to a wastewater plant is expensive. So, you know, how we fill the unit with what type of unit is not just has an effect on affordability on a per unit basis, but aso on you know, how much capacity do we have? It sounds like we can afford ourselves building more smaller, denser houses from a wastewater capacity perspective to building all those units as single family. So thanks for confirming that. And