Jan 10, 2023 4:00 PM - Redding Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

>> THAT IS SEPARATING THAT NEIGHBOR. THE NEXT LOCATION IS PROHIBITED ADU ANY PROPERTY THAT PERMIT ADU BASED ON THE NEW LAW CAME IN EFFECTIVE 120 WOULD NOT OPERATE A RENTAL. WITH REGARDS TO PUBLIC HEARING PARTY NOTIFICATION HEARING ONE OR MORE THE APPLICATION WE WOULD REQUIRE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING. AS FAR AS OWNER CRITERIA WE WILL REQUIRE ONE YEAR OWNERSHIP PRIOR TO -- O I HAVE TO DELETE THAT. THE NEXT BULLET HAS TO BE PERSON. ONE PERSON TWO FINANCIAL INTEREST. SORRY. SHOULD NOT FINANCIAL INTEREST IN TWO VACATION RENTALS. WE WANT IT CURRENT AT ALL TIMES. WE ADVISE OCCUPANCY IS TWO ADULTS. WE WILL CHANGE THAT TO TWO PERSONS. I'M SORRY TWO PERSONS TO TWO ADULTS. MAXIMUM HOMES FOR PERMIT. FOUR BEDROOM HOME YOU COULD NOT APPLY FOR SHORT-TERM. 16 PERSON AT ONE TIME THAT ALIGNS THE AIR BB STANDARDS THE LEADING COMPANY. WE MANY ADDITION PARKING THAT IS REQUIRED TODAY. BEFORE WE ISSUE A PERMIT WE WILL ON SITE CITY STAFF. WE WILL FULL PLAN LISTED. A LOG OF LICENSE PLATES OF PLATES MAKE MODEL. THE SITE MANAGEMENT THEY HAVE TO RESPONSE IN 60 MINUTES TO THE SITE WE WILL REDUCE THAT TO 45 MINUTES. ALL REQUIRED PARKING SPACES WILL BE AVAILABLE AND ASSESSABLE TO THE TENANTS AT RENTAL PERIODS. ADVERTISING SHOULD NOT VIOLATED THE VRC. THE STANDARD IS 300 FEET SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WILL BE EXPAND TO 1000 FEET. WE WILL STANDARD APPEAL TO 10 DAYS TO 15 DAYS. WE WILL LIMIT TO THE VACATION TO MAXIMUM OF 400 AT ANY ONE TIME. WE ADDING TERMINATION AND GRANDFATHER AND LEGAL CONFIRMING. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING THERE IS A THREE YEAR KIND OF GRANDFATHER RIGHT FOR ALL SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR THE DENSITY WILL INCLUDE PARKING THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THOSE THE STANDARDS FOR THE VACATION RENTALS. THE HOME PLAN AND AFTER WE WILL REQUIRE ANNUAL BUSINESS WHICH IS THE BUSINESS LICENSE AND SIGN THE AFFIDAVIT AS WELL AND HOME STATES. WITH THE NEXT STEPS BASICALLY WE WOULD A DOCUMENT ANY PROPOSE AMENDMENTS WITH RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU TO CITY COUNCIL AND WITH THAT WE WILL ADOPT A BUDGET RESOLUTION FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF WHICH WILL INCLUDE ONE ADDITION PLANNING AND ONE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND DO A FEED ADJUSTMENT TO COVER THE COST IF WE ARE IMPLEMENTING THE STANDARDS. IF THAT I AM, I COULD WRAP THIS UP WITH QUESTIONS AND THEN WE PULL UP THAT THE STRIKE OUT ORDINANCE TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL. RIGHT NOW IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH ANYTHING THAT IS PRESENTED BEFORE WE PULL UP THE? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PRESENTATION. VERY GOOD. BEFORE WE BRING IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE WILL ARE STAYING AHEAD OF THE CURVE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE QUESTIONS OF STAFF. WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK GRAB ONE OF THE BLUE CARDS IN THE BACK AND BRING IN FRONT AND HAND TO THE CLERK AND WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK. PLEASE SILENCE THE CELL PHONE AND WE WILL KEEP 3 MINUTES. SO I BROUGHT A BAG OF MARBLES. PLEASE KEEP TO THE THREE. WE WANT TO BE CAUTION OF THAT. IF WE COULD FOR QUESTIONS WE HAVE FIVE OF US TODAY. LEFT TO RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MINER IF YOU WANT TO GO FIRST. >> JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING MISS TOLL IT SAID NO MORE THAN FIVE BEDROOMS. IT SAYS DWELLING MAY NOT CONTAIN MORE THAN FIVE? ARE AIM IS FIVE IS THAT CORRECT? >> YEAH, I WAS GOING TO OFFER THAT PART OF VARIATION IS FIVE. >> I THINK THAT IS MY ONLY QUESTION. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR IS IT MAXIMUM FOUR BEDROOMS OR FIVE BEDROOMS? >> MAXIMUM OF FIVE. >> SO MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY IS 16 ADULT OR 16 PERSONS? IF YOU ONLY HAVE FIVE ROOMS THAT IS 10 PERSONS MAX. HOW ARE YOU GETTING TO THE 16? >> AT TIMES YOU HAVE GUESTS. >> SO THAT DOES INCLUDE ANY ONE TIME PEOPLE ON SITE CANNOT EXCEED 16 OVERNIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> IN REGARD TO THE DENSITY REQUIREMENT THAT'S IS THE VACATION RENTALS OR THE SHORT -- OR NOT THE HOME STAY? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WHAT IS THE THINKING BEHIND THAT? >> WE DON'T HAVE ON SITE BECAUSE THEY ARE ON SITE. THOSE ISSUES ARE THOSE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE OWNERS ON THE PROPERTY. SO WHEN WE DO HAVE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOSTS WE DON'T HAVE COMPLAINTS. >> DURING YOUR PRESENTATION YOU DID NOT MAKE REGARD TO VACATION RENTALS THAT ARE OPERATING NOW? >> THERE IS ABOUT 236 OPERATING PERMITTED BY OUR REGULATION. HOWEVER, THERE IS PROBABLY 150. THOSE ARE PERMITTED AND BEING TROLLED BY OUR SOFTWARE WHETHER THEY ARE OPERATING. THEY CAN TURN THIS ON AND OFF SO THE NUMBER CHANGES EVERY DAY. >> SO ROUGHLY 350 IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I MEAN, THERE HAS BEEN COMPLAINTS AND WE ARE TRYING TO HANDLE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THAT. THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION OF LETTERS THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS IS COMING FROM THE GUESTS. THERE WAS A PRESENTATION IN AUGUST AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT IS STILL THE CASE. THERE IS A SMALL AND NOT EXCESSIVE OF CALLS FOR SERVICE AND MOST OF THOSE COMING FROM GRASS. >> YES, WE REQUIRE ABOUT THAT SOME OF THE CALLS ARE COMING FROM GAS. WE DO GET NONE CALLS THAT ARE NONE GUEST AS WELL. >> IN ENFORCEMENT TODAY IS THERE ANY EFFORT, I MEAN THE CITY HIRED OUT SIDE CONTRACTOR TO MONITOR PERMIT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND VACATION RENTALS THAT ARE ADVERTISING. IS THAT BEING ENFORCED? IS THERE RAMIFICATION? IF I OPERATE SHORT-TERM RENTAL WHAT CAN I EXPECT? >> THERE IS A PROCESS AND WE HAVE THAT ON CONTRACT WITH THE SOFTWARE COMPANY. THEY SENT OUT A LETTER IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORY VIOLATING ANYTIME. WE SENT OUT A LETTER. WE SET OUT TWO LETTERS. IF WE DON'T GET APPLICATION THEY ARE STILL OPERATING THEN WE SEND GOOD BYE. >> DO THEY STILL OPERATE? >> SOME DO AND THAT IS WHY THERE IS A BIG FLUX. IT BROUGHT A NUMBER OF 100 TO 200. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. ONE LAST QUESTION IS THERE ANY FINES WOULD VIOLATE THE PERMITTING? >> ONE THEY GET CODE TO ENFORCEMENT THEY CAN HAVE A FEE. >> IS IT TYPICALLY THAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT? >> NOT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> IN FINE, WHAT IS THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW. I DIDN'T AN ANTICIPATE THAT THE CALL IS $100 A DAY. EVERYDAY IS A NEW VIOLATION SHORT-TERM I DO NOT KNOW THE DAILY FINE. IT COULD BE MORE. >> THERE IS T IN THE REGULATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS WITH THE STRIKE OUT PORTION. >> COMMISSIONER HATCH. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE IS DO WE HAVE A SENSE HOW MANY STAY IN SHORT-TERM OR THE NUMBER OF 236? >> IT'S EXCUSE TO THAT. >> PARKING AND PLUS ONE I HAVE A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE I HAVE FOUR PARKING SPACE OFF SPACE? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WITH THE COMMON COMPLAINTS WHAT BROUGHT THIS UP AND WHAT ARE THE COMMON COMPLAINTS THAT NONE OR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN CITING? >> A LOT OF THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL HOME NEIGHBOR LIVING INSTEAD I HAVE A BUSINESS RUNNING NEXT TO ME. I HAVE DIFFERENT TERNATE COMING IN. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE SAFE. MY FAMILY IS AT STAKE HERE. THEY ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERN AS WE HAVE THE FAMILY. MAINLY BECAUSE IT'S BUSINESS RUNNING IN RESIDENTIAL AREA. >> I HEARD THERE IS A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN CALIFORNIA ESPECIALLY SINCE THE FIRE. DO WE HAVE A SENSE HOW MUCH MEDIUM RENT HAS GONE UP TWO BEDROOM IN THE LAST SIX YEARS? AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE INCOME HERE? >> I DON'T HAVE THE STATISTIC BUT THE GENERAL KNOWLEDGE TWO BEDROOM TWO BATHROOM YOU FIND ANYTHING THAN 18 HUNDRED NICE PLACE. >> MORE HOUSES PUT INTO THE SUPPLY THE PRICE MIGHT GO DOWN? >> WITH THE COST OF LIVING? I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT A REALTOR. >> I HAVE QUESTIONS WITH THE STRIKE OUT WHEN WE GET TO THAT. >> WE HAD A FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DRAFT. DO WE WANT TO TOUCH ON THE ADU OR WAIT TO THE STRIKE OUT ON THAT. ONE OF THE ITEMS ON HERE THAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THERE IS A FLOORPLAN REQUIREMENT. AND BOTH THE DIRECTOR AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WANTING TO GET VERIFICATION OR CRAYONS. >> BETTER THAN CRANES A SKETCH OF THE BEDROOM. IT DOESN'T NEED SCALE DRAWING IN MY OPINION. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT SIGHT EXPECTATION WILL BE COMPLETED BY THE PERMIT. IT WILL OBSERVE THE BEDROOMS SO A SKETCH IS SUFFICIENT. >> OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF THE OPERATING WITHOUT A PERMIT AND WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE WE GET STARTED. SOMEONE TURNED THEM IN WE GOT SOMEONE OPERATING WITHOUT A PERMIT HERE. IN TERMS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY IN TERMS AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S CORRECT. IF THEY FILED AN APPLICANT AND IT GETS APPEAL. WHILE IT'S IN PROCESS AND THERE IS APPEAL ARE THERE FINES LEVIED UNTIL THE APPEAL IS DETERMINED? >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION BUT I CAN ANSWER THEY WILL SUBJECT TO FINE AND PENALTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE PERMIT YET. YOU APPLY AND IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE PROCESS THAT DOES NOT IMMUNE FROM THE CITATION. >> THAT IS MY QUESTION. SO WITH THAT THE DIRECTORS THERE DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE STRIKE OUT FIRST AND GO THROUGH THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS PRIOR TO OPENING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> I BELIEVE WE COULD. IT'S AT YOUR PLEASURE. >> LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS WITH THE STRIKE OUT ITEMS. I THINK THE NEW PROVISION IS SUBSTANTIAL. I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN GO THROUGH BY CHAPTER. WE WANT TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND GO TO THE TYPES AND GENTLEMAN REQUIREMENTS AND DO IT ONE AT A TIME. AS WE HAVE QUESTIONS AS COMMISSIONERS WE CAN GO THROUGH OUR QUESTIONS AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. IF WE WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO DOWN BY NOT PARAGRAPH BUT SUBSECTION. WE COVER A BIT OF GROUND ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND COVER GROUND AND GO FROM THERE. >> ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO SUGGEST SOMETHING OTHER THAN OTHERWISE CLARIFY WHAT IS EXISTING. >> QUESTIONS WE HAVE THROUGH THE ORDINANCE. ASK STAFF AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING BACK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OWN THE PUBLIC SECTION? >> PURPOSE UNDER ITEM A AND ITEMS B ONE TWO AND THREE WHICH ARE COVERING THE DEFECATION THOSE DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE STAFF? NO. PERFECT. ON TO THE NEXT. POST HOME STAY DEFINITION RENTAL. SEEING NONE SPEAK UP AS WE GO DOWN. DISTRICT PERMITTED. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS. ANY QUESTIONS UNDER THE HOMESTEAD REQUIREMENTS 1-10? >> ITEM 9 WHICH READS SHORT-TERM READ ALL APPLICABLE BUILDING HEALTH SAFETY CODES OF WORKING SMOKE AND CARBON DIOXIDE. MY QUESTION ARE THESE RESIDENTS WILL BE WITH HANDICAP? >> NO. >> I KNOW SISKIYOUS DOES REQUIRE HOME RENTALS THAT IS WHY I ASKED. >> ON THAT SAME NOTE LIKE FIRE SPRINKLERS OF A HOME ARE NOT INTENTION. >> YEAH. I THINK THE INTENTION IT'S A GOOD QUESTION IN TERMS AS FAR DRAFTED LANGUAGE NOT ON MY RAIDER. IT WILL CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY. THE LANGUAGE WORKING SMOKE AND CARBON DIOXIDE. THAT IS BE WITH THE EXPECT. IT'S NOT MEETING THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING CODE WHEN IT WAS BUILT. I DON'T THINK WE WILL EXCEPT TO MAKE SURE THEY MEET THE GREATEST BUILDINGS REQUIREMENTS. SO NOT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH REQUIREMENTS. I HAVE A QUESTION WITH NEW ITEM 4. HOME STAY THE OWNER SHALL BE APPLICANT AND DAILY ROUTINES MUST BE OCCUPIED AT ALL TIMES. CLARIFICATION ON DAILY ROUTINE? >> THIS CAME UP WITH CITY COUNCIL WE HAVE PROPOSAL CERTAIN TIME THE OWNER BE THERE BUT WE WANTED MORE LANGUAGE OF LATITUDE. IF THEY WORK THEY CANNOT BE ON VACATION. THAT IS NOT DAILY ROUTINE. WE ADDED LANGUAGE TO LOCK TIME. THERE MAY BE WORKING DURING THE EVENINGS. >> OKAY. AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS NUMBER 8 THIS IS THE HOME STAY. ALL REQUIRE PARKING SPACE AND GARBAGE PARKING IF IDENTIFY IF APPROVAL SHORT-TERM TENANTS DURING THE TIMES WHEN MIRRORS THE RENTAL PORTION. WHAT ABOUT THE VEHICLES OF OWNER? THERE IS HOME STAY THEY HAVE TWO OR THREE VEHICLES HOW MANY. DO THOSE PUT ON SITE ON STREET? IT CHANGES THE MATH IN TERMS THAT PARKING ISSUE. >> RIGHT. SO BASICALLY SO USUALLY IT'S THE YOU KNOW, THE TENANTS DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PARK. THEY ARE PARKING IN FRONT OF SOMEONE 'S HOUSE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE TENANTS HAVE PARKING ON SITE. WE DON'T MAKE SURE PARKING ON THE HOUSE FOR THE OWNER. AS LONG THE ON SITE FOR THE TENANTS. IF THE OWNER HAS A BOAT, HE WILL FIND SOME PLACE FOR THAT. CANNOT PARK ON THE STREET AGAINST CITY REGULATION. IF HE HAS ON THE SITE HE WILL PARK IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. >> OKAY. THOSE WERE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS TO HOST HOME STAYS. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. LET'S MOVE TO F. GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR VACATION RENTALS. NEW BREAKDOWN. GOING TO QUESTIONS UP TO G BEFORE REQUIRED. >> IF I MAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER FOR GENERAL REQUIREMENTS 2A1 THE ABA PORTION. THE GOVERNMENT PORTION ONLY RESTRICTS THE OPERATING VACATION RENTAL IN THE ADU NOT THE PRIOR RESIDENCE. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. BUT THE INTENSE OF STAFF AT THIS POINT IS RESTRICT IN BOTH. TWO PARTS. THAT SECTION ONLY SPEAKS TO THE ACTUAL ADU. 656.2? >> RIGHT. >> WE ARE TRYING TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT? >> TWO PART YOU TAKE ONE BY ITSELF IT'S SPEAKING THE AVU BUILT WITH THAT SECTION. YOU HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IN WHICH YOU GOT A BUILDING PERMIT TO BUILD ABU ON THAT PROPERTY AND MAIN UNIT WE ARE SAYING YOU CANNOT OPERATE IN MY MAIN UNITY. BY LAW YOU CANNOT OPERATE SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THE MAIN HOUSE. SOME BACKGROUND IT'S DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. WE HAVE SOMEBODY NOT EVERYBODY THERE IS A FEW THAT RUINS IT'S FOR US. THEY SWAP ON THE HOUSE THEY RENT THE HOUSE AND ADU ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. WE GET COMPLAINTS AND WE HAVE DIG DEEP AND PLAY MOUSE AND CAT GAME. THAT IS THE HISTORY. >> IF I MAY FOLLOW-UP THAT THIS IS ISSUE WITH THE ORDINANCE AND ADU. THE GENERAL ADU 'S INCLUDED IN THAT AS WELL? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER GOEDERT. >> YOU ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH A PERSON APPLYING FOR PERMIT IS A SASH TA COUNTRY. I'M NOT SURE THAT CALIFORNIA DRIVER'S LICENSE IS NOT EASY TO GET AROUND. I HAD CALIFORNIA DRIVER'S LICENSE IN FLORIDA BUT I WAS NOT LIVING HERE. I HAD FOUR YEARS ON RENEWAL. I'M WONDERING IF YOU SHOULD NOT GET A UTILITY BILL SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT IS JUST A COMMENT. AND THEN UNDER THE FINANCIAL INTEREST I CAN SEE A GET AROUND ABOUT THAT TOO. WHY CAN'T SOMEONE HAVE THEIR 18 YEAR SON OR DAUGHTER APPLY FOR THE PERMIT? AT A RESIDENCE OR A COUSIN OR FOLLOW MY THINKING HERE? IT SEEMS THAT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT TO GET AROUND. AND THEN LET'S SEE IF IT'S THE SAME SECTION STILL. I THINK IT'S UNDER REQUIREMENT WHICH IS MY NEXT QUESTION WE ARE NOT GOING INTO THAT. >> YEAH JUST THOSE QUESTIONS. TWO QUICK, FIRST ONE IS REGARDS TO THE RADIUS. YOU HAVE TWO APPLICANTS TO THAT RADIUS. ONE APPLIES AND ONE APPLIES LATER. THEY ARE NOT KNOWING THERE IS APPENDING APPLICATION. ONE IS APPROVE BEFORE OR AFTER THE OTHER. SOMEONE GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS EVERYTHING ELSE COULD TAKE WEEKS OR GO THROUGH MONTHS AND FINDS OUT SORRY SO AND SO ON THE BLOCK GOT A WEEK AGO YOU ARE NOT ALLOW TO APPLY. WHATEVER THE RADIUS IF THERE IS ONE. HOW WILL THAT BE HANDLED? >> IT WILL BE SIMILAR HANDLE IT TODAY FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. IF YOU COME IN WITH PERMIT. A WEEK LATER SOMEONE COMES IN AND WE KNOW MR. SMITH WILL PROCESS THAT PERMIT WE SAY WE WILL NOT TAKE IT APPLICATION YET. YOU CAN APPLY ONCE WE MAKE A DECISION IF YOU DENY THE PERMIT YOU CAN APPLY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. LAST ONE I HAD I THINK THIS WILL BE CITY ATTORNEY. THE FINANCIAL INTEREST PORTION. SO THE PROPOSAL IS NO PERSON SHOW INTEREST IN MORE TWO RENTALS BOUNDARIES ONE TIME. IT'S MORE FINANCIAL INTEREST I WAS WONDERING ABOUT. INDICATE OWNERSHIP OR FEE TITLE OR OWNERSHIP INTEREST TO RECEIVE INCOME. HAVING THE RIGHT TO RECEIVE INCOME RESULTING FROM A LOAN. SO REPAYMENT OR INTEREST. THE SECOND PART WELLS FARGO HOLDS ON TWO RENTALS. SOMEONE GETS WELLS FARGO ON THE THIRD? WE ARE TALKING PRIVATE NOTES? >> NO. THE ISSUE IS WHO CAN BE APPLICANT WELLS FARGO WILL NOT ASK FOR IT. IT CAN HAVE MANY AS IT WANTS. THE DEFINITION WHO CAN BE APPROVED APPLICANT. >> OKAY. I WAS NOT SURE REGARDING FROM A LOAN. >> THE ISSUE IS THIS. LET'S SAY I'M GOING TO GAIN IT. I OWN TWO DIFFERENT HOMES. FOR ALL INTENSE AND PURPOSES ALL IS WELL WITH THE ORDINANCE. THE SECOND TIME LIKE COMMISSIONER GOEDERT POINTED OUT. I HAVE A BROTHER-IN-LAW I WILL ISSUE TO THAT IS FINANCIAL INTEREST. TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER GOEDERT QUESTION IS TO ADDRESSING IS PEOPLE ARE GAINING. I OWN TOO BUT I'M GETTING KICK-BACK FROM BROTHER-IN-LAW. >> OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T MY BROTHER-IN-LAW WOULD NOT LOAN ANY MONEY. MY PORTION THE SECOND PORTION MONITORY COMPETITION SERVICES TO THE OWNER. TO CONCERN IS ARE WE GETTING TO THE CATOSA. >> THE ANSWER IS YES. I HAD A CONVERSATION THIS MORNING THAT ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S FAIR COMMENT TO BE CRITICAL OF THAT PART OF DEFINITION BECAUSE IT CAN HAVE CONSEQUENCES. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO ELIMINATE SOMEBODY BUSINESSES THAT WILL CLEAN POOLS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR YOU MANAGE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IT WILL NOT IMPACT THEM UNLESS THEY ARE APPROVED SHORT-TERM RENTALS. YOU CAN HAVE BUSINESS RUNNING 20 OF THESE BUT AS SOON AS YOU PERMIT ON SERVICES AND OTHERS THAT IS FALL OF DEFINITION. I THINK IT'S FAIR GAME TO BE CRITICAL OF THAT MAYBE THAT IS NOT WHAT THE CITY WANTS. THAT IS FAIR. IT TENDS TO CAPTURE WHO IS GAINING IT. >> I UNDERSTAND ESPECIALLY FROM MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. I SPENT GOOD TIME WORKING ON. YES COMMISSIONER GOEDERT. >> SO TO LABOR THE POINT THE BROTHER-IN-LAW IS DOING THAT HOW DO YOU DISCOVER THAT? YOU CAN DO A TITLE CHOICE YOU CAN SEE A PAYMENT. HOW DO YOU DISCOVER PEOPLE GAINING IN THIS INCIDENCE. >> IT WILL FOLLOW IN YOUR LAP. IT HAPPENS THERE AND THE OWNER SEES NEIGHBOR SEEING THEM DOING XY AND Z. OH YEAH THEY OWN MORE DOWN THE STREET. THEN GOT YOU. BUT ADMITTING IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT INDEPENDENTLY TO GO OUT AND FIND THIS INFORMATION. THAT BEING SAID IT'S ALSO DIFFICULT TO PROVE FELONIES. >> ISN'T THAT MONEY LAUNDERING? >> YES. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR G? WITH THAT ITEM G APPLICATION REQUIRED. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GOEDERT? >> ON G2 IN THE... WHERE YOU ARE THE DETERMINATION IS BEING MADE TO APPROVE OR DENY AN APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL THERE IS FACTORS YOU ARE CONSIDERED. THIRD SENTENCE FROM THE BOTTOM OTHER VACATION RENTALS IS STRUCK. BECAUSE ISN'T THAT A DENSITY REQUIREMENT? >> I THINK THE INTENT WITH THE NEW REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL BE MOVED. >> WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS ELIMINATE CONFUSING LANGUAGE. YOU HAVE ON STREETS IT'S BLACK AND WHITE IT'S FORCED. YOU LEAVE IN LANGUAGE PROXIMITY TO PROPERTY. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO ESTABLISH. >> SO IT'S REDUNDANT. >> IT'S REDUNDANT AND LEAVING IT IN THERE MAYBE IT'S OTHER DENSITY. WE DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT. WE WANTED TO PARTICULAR AND REMOVE VAGUE LANGUAGE TO REVIEW THAT STANDARD. >> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON APPLICATION REQUIRED? >> VERIFICATION ON G1A. IS THAT 15 BUSINESS DAYS OR 15 CALENDAR DAYS? >> IT'S IN THE CODE 15 DAYS. I MEAN 10 CALENDARS SO WE CARRY OVER TO 15 CALENDARS. >> GOT IT THANK YOU. >> HOWEVER I WANT TO NOTE THE PEAL DAYS ENDS ON SUNDAY OR SATURDAY WE BUMP IT TO A NEXT BUSINESS DAY. >> THANK YOU. GOOD CATCH I WILL INCLUDE THE WORD CALENDAR TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION. >> I HAD A QUESTION ON G2 THIS HAS TO DO APPROXIMATE PROPERTY GROUP HOMES AND NEIGHBOR ET CETERA. ALSO THIS IS REGARD ANY TYPE DISTANCE OR RADIO REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE. THIS IS APPLIED DIFFERENTLY WITH DIFFERENT ORDINANCE. ARE WE TALKING PARCEL LINE TO PARCEL LINE? ARE WE GOING BUILDING TO BUILDING MORE LIKE THE EMERGENCY HOMELESS ORDINANCE? >> NOR NOTIFICATION IT'S NOTIFY. >> UNDER G2 IS MORE OF THE APPROXIMATION TO GROUP HOMES CARE FACILITIES ET CETERA. WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC DISTANCE ON THAT YET. LAST ONE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THIS BECAUSE THE APPEALS ARE CONFUSING ON THAT PROCESS. SO MANY PEALS THE DIRECTORS DECISION COMES TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE LANGUAGE SAYS BASICALLY PLANNING COMMISSION OF SERVICE OF DIRECTOR 'S SERVICE AND THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 10 DAYS OF THE SERVICE OF THE DETERMINATION. IT NEEDS TO BE A SECOND APPEAL, CORRECT? IT'S NOT AUTOMATICALLY APPEAL TO COUNCIL? >> CORRECT. >> SOMEONE READ THAT PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT GO MY WAY AND IT'S GOING TO COUNCIL WHICH IS NOT ACTUALLY THE CASE. IT WILL REQUIRE ACTION ON THEIR PART. >> CORRECT. >> ANY QUESTIONS UNDER J ENFORCEMENT AND REMEDIES? NO? OKAY. YES PLEASE. >> I DO ONE UNDER I4 THE LEGAL NONE CONFORMING TIME PERIOD. IS THERE ANY... I THINK WHAT IS HARD FOR ME ON THAT THERE HAS BEEN VACATION RENTALS RUNNING IN OUR TOWN FOR 10 YEARS OR HOW LONG AIR BB. WE CAN HAVE LOW COMPLAINTS AND SOMEONE LAST MONTH CAN START ONE IN THREE YEARS. WE GO INTO THE LOTTERY AND WE UP STANDING GREAT BUSINESS AND SOMEONE WHO IS GETTING IN THE GAME AND TRY TO START OUT. THEY KICK THE GAME THROUGH RANDOM LOTTERY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE BEST INTEREST OF THE GUEST. IS THERE ANY WAY TO ADD TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE, A LITTLE SMART. THAT STATEMENT A LITTLE TO THE BEST INTEREST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? >> I WILL GIVE YOU BACKGROUND AND MAYBE POSSIBILITY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY. THE REASON OF GOING BACK TO THE LOTTERY. IN THIS PARTICULAR SUB DIVISION IN TOTAL. THE GOAL IS ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED AND WE DO A LOTTERY AND THEY MAY SHORT-TERM OR MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT. IT STOP SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WHILE AT THE SAME TIME LESSEN THE HARDSHIP MAY CAUSE TO THE INDIVIDUAL. THAT IS THE UNDERLINE GOAL. THERE IS A CASE THAT IS SIMILAR IT'S SIMILAR TO AN ARGUMENT MIGHT DO HERE. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 10 YEARS AND IT'S BASE BY BASE. I'VE BEEN DOING IT 10 YEARS AND I HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF DOING IT 10 YEARS AND THE CITY SAYS YOU CAN'T. I'M EXUDED. THE FIRST ATTACK IS YOU CANNOT DO THAT. THE COURT SAYS YEAH YOU CAN. THE PERMITS ARE GOOD FOR A YEAR. YOU ARE GIVING ONE YEAR DOESN'T GIVE THE EXPECTATION IT'S RENEWED. SPECIFIC GROVE USED TO LACK OF BETTER PHASE WINNERS AND USERS YOU SEE LOTTERY HERE. THE COURT CONCLUDED YEAH IT'S A FACT THAT RANDOM PROCESS IS USED COMPARED TO SOMEONE LIKE LILY OR TROY I LIKE THIS. THIS IS A GOOD OPERATOR THAT OPERATE HAS NO PROBLEM. THAT ONE HAD PROBLEM I WILL ELIMINATE ONE TO ONE. THE COURT SAYS THEY WERE NOT DO THAT THEY USING A RANDOM PROCESS WHICH MADE IT SUCCESSFUL. THUS THE LOTTERY. THERE IS ELIMINATION ON THE PART OF STAFF OF WINNERS AND LOSERS AND WE DON'T WANT THAT. THE RENTAL THE POSSIBILITY TO CONTINUE. WE DON'T WANT THAT. NOW, TO THE POSSIBLE SITUATION THAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED WHERE YOU HAVE 10 YEAR LONG HYPER FORMING LEGAL COMPLY INDIVIDUAL AND SOMEONE DOING DO IT FOR TWO YEARS. CAN WE DISCRIMINATE BETWEEN THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHEN THE LOTTERY OCCURS? ONE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A LOTTERY WE CAN MY COLLISION OR THE COUNCIL COMMISSION. IT HAS TO BE A NATURAL PROCESS. HOWEVER, IF I'M THINKING CREATIVELY I DON'T SEE THAT THERE IS NECESSARILY A PROBLEM ABSTRACT WITH A WAITED LOTTERY. YOU WANT TO THINK OF A LOTTERY WITH A BUNCH OF BALLS AND OUT POPS A BALL. MAYBE THERE IS A BUSINESS 10 YEARS AND GETS PUT IN THE MOPPER AND 3 YEARS POPPER. THE LONGER PARTY WILL HAVE STATISTICAL ADVANTAGE BUT IT WILL STILL ELIMINATE CRITERIA WHICH WILL FOLLOW THE LAW. THAT IS ME THINKING OUT LOUD I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM OR OCCUR. I'M RAISING BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES IT. >> WHAT I'M HEARING WE CANNOT HAVE SUBJECTIVE IT HAS TO BE OBJECTIVE? >> YES. AS LONG AS YOU KEEP IT OBJECTIVE. >> THERE IS OTHER LOTTERY TYPE SYSTEMS. >> OH REALLY? >> YEAH. I BELIEVE CITY OF SAN DIEGO IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I THINK IT WILL SAVE TIME TO PERCEIVE THAT ROUTE. I KNOW LARGE JURISDICTION PUT A CAP ON THAT. THEY TOOK AWAY THE LOTTERY SYSTEM. ONE IS COMPLIANCE TIME PERMITTED AND THEY HAVE A MATRIX TO THE PERMIT AND THAT IS HOW THEY STARTED. >> I'M NOT AS SMART AS I THOUGHT I WAS. >> GOOD GUEST. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> I'M GOING BACK TO H. THESE ARE 12 MONTH PERMITS WOULD SURROUND PROPERTY OWNERS APPEAL ON 12 MONTH BASIS OR ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITY SHORT-TERM RENTAL GETS A VALID PERMIT AND THERE SIGNIFICANT COMPLAINTS THAT ARE NOT RESOLVED IN TIMELY FASHION AND WHAT IS TIME FOR THE RESOURCE? >> THAT IS WHY IT'S ANNUAL THAT IS WHY THEY WILL RENEW. THE WHOLE PROCESS STARTS OVER. THEY CAN SUBMIT THEIR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. >> EVERY 12 MONTHS WILL BE SENT OUT TO 1000 FEET? >> YES. IF THEY APPLY. >> THE SECOND ONE IS SECTION I NONE CONFIRMING USES NUMBER 3. IT LOOKS LIKE THESE AMORTIZATION IT'S SAYING 1E7-8 WHICH IS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. 180HD AND E IS THE CAP. 180F-2F WHICH IS APPEALS NO MORE THAN TWO PROPERTIES OWNED BY ONE PERSON. IS THAT THE INTENTION OF THE CITY TO AMORTIZATION THOSE REQUIREMENTS UNTIL 2026? >> THE ANSWER IS YES BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE UNTIMELY HARDSHIP ON INDIVIDUALS. IT'S GIVING YOU A THREE YEAR PERIOD. AS YOU CALLED ONE IS ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT. THAT IS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. IF YOU HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID ANYBODY HOLDING YOU HOSTAGE FOR CONTRACTOR TO LAY CEMENT. YOU GET 3 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT THAT COST. THAT WAS THE INTENTION THERE AND IT'S A PILL. IT'S HARD TO GET CONTRACTORS THERE AND IT'S EXPENSIVE WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE REQUIREMENT ON THIS ORDINANCE. >> THERE IS SOME COMPLIANCE? >> YEAH EVERYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE TO COMPLAIN WITH. >> IN PARAGRAPH 4 WHICH MENTIONS THE LOTTERY IT ONLY MENTIONED THE DENSITY THE ONLY NONE COMPLIANCE IS SITE DISTANCE. ALL DENSITY WILL BE PUT IN THE LOTTERY. IT DOESN'T MENTION IF NOT COMPLIANCE IN THE PARKING OR THREE OR FOUR RENTALS. >> EVERYTHING STOPS. YOU'RE RIGHT. ALL NONE CONFIRMING STOPS. WE ARE NOT GRANDFATHER ANYTHING BEYOND THAT AND THAT IS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. BY APRIL 1, 2026 THE CITY DOES THE LOTTERY AND YOU ARE A WINNER. GUESS WHAT YOU CAN CONTINUE ON BUT YOU NEED THAT EXTRA PARKING PASS. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ACCOMPLISHING THERE. >> I DON'T THINK THAT IS CLEAR BECAUSE YOU CAN DISTANCE AND THE PARKING IS NOT MESSAGED THERE. OR NOT HAVING AN INVESTMENT WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THOSE ARE COMPLIANCE INTEREST. >> IT WILL APPLY IMMEDIATE. YOU ONLY GET THROWN INTO THE LOTTERY IF YOU ARE NOT COMPLAIN WITH THE DENSITY. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON YOU GO INTO THE LOTTERY OF THE EVERYTHING ELSE YOU COMPLY WITH. >> I BELIEVE THE SITE RESIDENCE OUTSIDE YOUR CONTROL NEIGHBORS. BY 3 YEARS YOU CAN SATISFY THE REQUIREMENT. BUT THE LOTTERY IS THERE TOO BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF SHORT-TERM ACROSS FROM YOU. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? >> YEAH. >> I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HELPS CLARIFY IT COMMISSIONER. >> IF I WAS NOT ALLOWED INTO THIS LOTTERY I MEAN THE WAY I'M READING IT I HAVE THE PARKING SPACE AND I HAVE ALL THE DENSITY AND SITE DISTANCE I MEET ALL THOSE THEN I'M IN COMPLIANCE THEN I CAN CONTINUE ON 2026 IF I DON'T HAVE ALL THE NECESSARY PARKING? THAT IS HOW I'M READING IT BUT I'M NOT A LAWYER WHAT DO I KNOW. THAT IS HOW I'M INTERPRETING. >> THAT IS FAIR PLAY. THIS IS INCREDIBLE HARD TO DRAFT IT WAS NOT EASY. LIKE I SAID YOU WILL ONLY GET INTO THE LOTTERY IF YOU ARE NONCOMPLIANCE OF SITE AND DENSITY. IT'S NOT PARKING REQUIREMENT TO 2021 TO THE CONTRARY. I CAN LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE NO ONE CAN CONSTRUE THAT LANGUAGE. FAIR POINT I WILL LOOK AT THAT. >> THAT FOLLOW-UP. I CAN MAKE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR PARKING BUT NO GUARANTEE HAVE PERMIT BASED ON DENSITY? >> CORRECT. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN UNTIL WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WITH THAT WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY BACKGROUND BECAUSE I'VE HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS A COUPLE OF WEEKS. I WANT TO COVER THE OVERALL PROCESS. QUICKLY ON THIS PORTION YOU WANT TO SPEAK GET THE BLUE CARD. THREE MINUTES WE WILL BE PRETTY STRICT ON IT. WE HAVE 14 CARDS. JUST TO CLARIFY WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF DETAIL. FROM THE PROCEDURAL STAND POINT THE CITY COUNCIL FIRST TOOK THIS ON AND WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF PROVISION AND LINE ITEMS. GENERALLY SPEAKING WE GET BROADER FROM COUNCIL WORK ON DETAILS AND GET UP OR DOWN. IN THIS CASE THE COUNCIL GOT INTO A LOT OF THESE DETAILS. WE RECEIVED DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AND WE WILL GO THROUGH OUR DETAILS. I WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK AND PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE RECOMMENDATION YOU MAKE AND WE MAKE WILL STILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE. THEY WILL MAKE THE DECISION AND GO THROUGH THE OPERATION SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS. IF THAT WE WILL START THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CELL PHONES SILENT. WE WILL START OFF WITH JEFF BUYERS FOLLOWED BY CINDY YOUNG. FOLLOWED BY ANDREW LEDUM. >> HELLO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M JEFF BUYERS I MANAGE LLC I HAVE PROPERTIES HERE IN REDDINGS SHASTA COUNTRY. THE REGULATION HERE IS FOUR TIMES WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. WE WILL TRY TO TRIPLE THAT. I HEAR A COMPLAINT A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT SAN FRANCISCO ABOUT WASHINGTON DC REGULATE THINGS THAT IS WHAT I'M SEEING HERE. THE COMMON THEME IS THAT IS HARD TO ENFORCE. THERE IS 236 PERMITS AND 2 350 AIR AND BB 'S. WE ARE NOT ADDRESS 100 AIR BB BUT WE WILL ADD REGULATION TO THE 236 THAT ARE DOING IT PROPERLY. [CLAPPING] LET'S TAKE THE TRASH OUT FIRST. THERE ARE OPERATORS LET'S GET RID OF THE ONES THAT ARE NOT GOOD PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THEN WE GET INTO ALL THE PARTICULAR. WHY ONLY TWO PROPERTIES PER PERSON? IS THAT THE SAME RULES FOR REAL RENTALS? FOR MOTELS? HOTELS? RENTALS? NO. WE ARE PICKING ON PERSON CLASS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING AND INCREASE THEIR RETIREMENT. ALONG WITH THAT YOU HAVE TO NATURAL PERSON. I'M RETIRED I HAVE MY PROPERTY IN A TRUST. I CANNOT RUN AN AIR BB. MY PROPERTY IS IN THE TRUST TO HAVE LEGAL RIGHTS AND PASS DOWN TO MY CHILDREN BUT I CANNOT HAVE AN AIR BB. ENFORCEMENT IS CRITICAL BEFORE WE ADD MORE REGULATION PLAIN AND SIMPLE. [CLAPPING] YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. UNTIL WE WILLING TO ENFORCE I HAVE MANAGE AIR BB WITH 36 FOOT BEEN THERE TWO MONTHS. THE OTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE HAS 4 TRUCKS AND TRAILERS MY AIR BB NEVER HAS PARKING BUT I'M THE BAD GUY. THANK YOU. >> NEXT UP CINDY YOUNG. IF WE CAN WAIT TO APPLAUD UNTIL THE END. >> I'M CINDY YOUNG FOR REAL ESTATE AND I'M ALSO AN AIR BB OWNER. I WANT TO TALK TO THE FACT AS REALTOR I HAVE PREDOMINANT WHO ARE INVESTORS. THEY WANT TO USE THOSE PROPERTIES AS SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I HAVE CLIENTS OUT OF THE AREA AND WANT TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY EXCEPT THEY HAVE TO BE RESIDENT OF SHASTA COUNTRY SO NOW MY BUSINESS IS SEIZED. OR REGULATED. AS AN AIR BB OWNER QUITE FRANKLY I WANT TO SAY MANY OF MY CLIENTS WE TAKE MUCH PROPERTY AND CONCERN WHAT GUESTS WE ARE ALLOWING IN YOUR HOMES. OUR PROPERTIES ARE VENTED WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK INTO INDIVIDUAL PROFILE. WHETHER IT'S AIR BB OR CROSS TO SOCIAL MEDIA. WE HAVE DENIED GUEST FROM STAYING AT OUR HOMES BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN BAD REVIEWS OR THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. WE ARE VERY STRICT ON THAT. I HAVE DONE MY PROPERTY SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAVE LOST MY SHORTS ON THAT 12 THOUSAND DAMAGES. AIR BB PROTECTS US. WE HAVE PEOPLE COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY WE ARE FUND MONEY. I HAVE FRIENDS I GREW UP HERE. I HAVE FRIENDS HERE TO RESTAURANT I REFER GUESTS THERE. WE ARE BRINGING MORE TAXES INTO OUR CITY AND TO HAVE ALL THE REGULATIONS IS ABSOLUTELY UNHEARD OF. THERE IS TOO MUCH REACH AND REGULATION. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO WHAT YOU ARE DOING. JUST THE FACT AS WELL THINK ABOUT IT. IF YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS ALSO OF VENTING YOUR NEIGHBORED. THERE WAS TALK IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IT WILL TAKE MONTHS. I HAVE TO STOP MY AIR BB UNTIL WE GET THE OPINION AROUND MY PROPERTY. I THINK THAT IS WRONG. >> THANK YOU MISS YOUNG. ANDREW NEDUM. FOLLOWED BY MARK GIZLE. >> HELLO I'M ANDREW I'M TERRIFIED I DID NOT WANT TO BE THIRD. FIRST COMMISSION THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY. I AM GRATEFUL FOR EACH OF YOU AND I KNOW THIS IS A TOUGH JOB AND I KNOW YOU ARE TASK WITH PLEASING THE OWNERS AND BUSINESSES IT'S A LOT OF WORK. FIRST OF ALL I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK YOU DO HERE. I'VE BEEN RUNNING VACATION RENTALS IN THE AREA FOR 7 YEARS. FOR CINDY SAID I WANT TO ECHO HERE WHO WE LET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SPECIFIC PEOPLE. HONESTLY I TARGET FAMILY. 10 ADULTS THAT IS A NO. I DON'T WANT A PARTY. WHAT CINDY SAID AND JEFF SAID WE TAKE GOOD CARE OF PROPERTIES. THEY ARE CLEAN FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A WEEK. WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE PARK ON THE STREET. I CAN'T TELL HOW MANY HOURS TALKING TO EVERY NEIGHBOR ON THE STREET. I'VE GONE ON THE EXTRA MILE. I'M ECHOING WHAT EVERYBODY WILL SAY. WE WANT TO ENFORCE THE REGULATION. THOSE PEOPLE RUNNING IL LEGAL GET THEM OUT. EVERYTHING WHO IS DOING THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY DO NOT PUNISH THEM. PEOPLE BUY HERE BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE AREA. I WORK WITH INVESTORS THEY JUST WANT A PROPERTY HERE BECAUSE THEY VACATION HERE. PEOPLE ARE NOT COMING HERE TO MAKE A TON OF MONEY. PEOPLE I WORK WITH THEY LOVE THIS AREA AND ALL THAT MONEY IS BEING FUND INTO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE FAMILIES AND THEY ARE ASKING REFERRALS. I DON'T REFER CHICK FILL LAY. I REFER STORES -- THANK YOU. I REFER STORES THAT ARE LOCAL RUINED BUSINESS. MY MANAGEMENT COMPANY WE HAVE PEOPLE ANSWERED QUESTIONS WITHIN FIVE MINUTES. I HAD QUESTION WITH AN ISSUE WITHIN 5 MINUTES. ALL TO THIS SAY THOSE IN COMPLIANCE ARE WORKING SUPER HARD WE DON'T WANT MORE RESTRICTION IMPOSED ON US BECAUSE IT MAKES IT HARDER. >> WE HAVE MR. MARK KAZIL. WITH THAT ADAM CRAY. >> TALKING AWAY FROM THE MIC. >> I'LL PUT IT THROUGH. DENNIS MORGAN. BRUCE ROSS. MOVING PRETTY QUICKLY HERE. DOUG JAKE FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIAN TAILOR. >> THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. COMMUNISM IS IN THIS COUNTRY. YOU ARE ABOUT TO PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS. A LONG TERM LONG TERM RENTAL A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY? YES. IS A BAFFLE HOUSE WITH OPPORTUNITY? YES. IS A GROUP HOME IS AN OPPORTUNITY? AND YET THOSE ENTITIES ARE NOT WITH THE CRAP LAW A BINDING PEOPLE. THAT IS TAKING AWAY CONSTITUTION RIGHT. YOU ARE GOVERNMENT YOU GET PAID WHETHER YOU DO GOOD JOB OR NOT. BUSINESS OWNER JOE WONG THEY MAKE ONE, THREE AND FIVE 10 YEAR PLANS AND THEY ARE LOSING THEIR BUSINESS. YET, YOU WANT TO DO THAT TO AIR BB. I CANNOT TELL YOU STUPID YOU CAN TAKE SOMEONE 'S BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY FROM THEM BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE POWER OF THE GOVERNMENT. A BETTER OPTION IS DON'T USE HAMMER ON PICK PROBLEM. YOU ARE TRYING TO OPERATE WHAT MISS TOY SAID A FEW PEOPLE. HAMMER THE HELL OF THOSE PEOPLE. FIRST STRIKE $250 ON NOTICE. SECOND STRIKE $300 ON NOTICE. THIRD STRIKE YOU ARE OUT. YOU PUT IT ON AIR BB PUT IT ON RESTAURANT. PUT IT ON LONG TERM RENTALS. I HAVE A ONE YEAR LEASE BUT NEXT YEAR WE WILL NOT GIVE IT TO YOU. IF YOU APPLY THIS APPLY TO EVERYBODY. DON'T APPLY WINNERS AND LOSERS. YOU HAVE THE GREATER GAL TO SAY TWO RESIDENTS IS STUPID. YOU KNOW IT'S VANGUARD AND GUARD. THE OWNERS DON'T KNOW THEY ARE THE OWNERS. THESE FOLKS AS MISS TOY SAID ARE DOING A HELL OF A JOB. THE PROPERTIES ARE MORE MAINTAIN THEY HAVE BETTER VALUES. I CAN SHOW EVERY NEIGHBOR THAT ARE BAD. DO NOT TRY TO CONTRADICT THESE PEOPLE THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING. THANK YOU. [APPLAUD] >> THANK YOU THERE TYLOR. CHRISTIAN TAILOR FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINE. >> MY NAME IS CHRISTINE TALER I'VE RENT FOR YEARS BEFORE ORDINANCE. I BROUGHT MY PROPERTY WITH EVERY ORDINANCE THAT IS IN PLACE. THE PERMIT TO APPLY IS NOW OVER $1000. I PAY APPROXIMATELY $8000 PLUS THE PERMIT FEE EVERY YEAR IN TOT TAXES. I HAVE THREE PROPERTIES IN REDDING AMONG MIC CLOUD. I HAVE $27.000 TO THE CITY OF REDDING. WHEN THE COVID HAPPENED MY W-2 DISAPPEAR FROM MY FAMILY. WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THE BUSINESS AND IT SUSTAINED OUR FAMILY. THESE NEW ORDINANCE WHICH DID NOT EXIST BEFORE. THINGS LIKE YOU NEED ONE PARKING SPACE BUT NOW YOU NEED AN EXTRA PARKING SPACE JUST BECAUSE. I HAVEN'T A REASON FOR THE PARKING SPOT. YOU NEED FOR THE ROOM BUT WHY THE BONUS ONE? NOW YOU ARE ALSO SAYING IF YOU HAVE AN ADU WHICH THE RULE HAS BEEN THAT YOU CAN'T SHORT-TERM THE ADU. I CREATE LONG TERM HOUSING TO ADDRESS THE REDDING ISSUE FOR HOUSING. NOW YOU WILL PUNISH FOR LONG TERM HOUSING TO SHORT-TERM THE HOUSE THERE. MISS TOY SAID BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO REGULATE. THAT IS NOT A REASON. HAVING ANOTHER TERNATE ON THE PROPERTY IS A BETTER REGULATION. THERE WILL NOT BE A PARTY IF I HAVE LONG TERM TERNATE AND RESIDENT. IF YOUR ORDINANCE PASSES I LOSE MY PROPERTIES. ALL OF THEM. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 9 YEARS AND I HAVE NOT ONE COMPLAINT. YOU WILL PUT MY FAMILY 'S HEALTH AT RISK BECAUSE OF THIS. I THINK THAT IS BAD GOVERNANCE. THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE. YOU ARE PICKING ON CERTAIN CLASS AND NOT ANYBODY ELSE. THERE IS A BUNCH OF BAD APPLES LET'S DO IT. GET RID OF THEM. DO NOT ELIMINATE ALL OF US. THAT IS NOT WHY WE LIVE HERE IN REDDING. [APPLAUD] >> THANK YOU. STACY LEE. >> I HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION I HAVE TO GET THROUGH. I WILL READ IN FAST PACE. FIRST OFF WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THE CITY TO PLANNING AND ACCOMMODATE THE RESIDENCY KNOW SHORT-TERM ARE NEW AND LEARNING CURVE. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THE CONCERNS ORDINANCE. ANY SHORT-TERM CURRENT ORDINANCE I WOULD LIKE PROPOSE FIRST COMPLIANCE AND THE CITY ASSESS THE EFFECTIVE UNDER THIS ENVIRONMENT PRIOR TO DECISION WHAT MODIFICATION FOR WELL FUNCTION RESIDENCES AREAS AS STATED EARLIER SHORT-TERM GETTING FINE NOR CLEAR GOVERNANCE HAS BEEN VIOLATED. AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL ANY GIVEN TIME 200 LEGAL AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS THE THIRD OF UNITS ILLEGAL BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE CONTRIBUTED BEING ENFORCED. WHAT IS THE SHORT-TERM NOT COMPLIANCE OF THE 230 SHORT-TERM RENTALS HOW MANY COMPLAINTS IN THE FIVE UNITS. HOW MANY PARKING COMPLAINTS AND ILLEGAL UNITS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. NO CONCRETE DATA HAS BEEN GIVEN. I THINK CHANGES IN POLICY GIVEN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME I WILL NOT GET INTO IT. THERE IS A LOT OF IN~ CONSIST WITH THE ORDINANCE. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IN COMMUNITY BE BROUGHT FORTH BEFORE IT'S VOTED ON. ONE PARKING SPOT PLUS THREE BEDROOM BY THESE RULES. THEY WILL NEED FOUR PARKING SPOT. ADU OWNERS SHOULD BE RENT OUT THEIR HOUSES SHOULD NOT BE DISCRIMINATED OUT WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THE FEW. I HAVE A WHOLE LIST I CAN SUBMIT TO YOU GUYS. IN CONCLUSION RATHER TO MOVE FORWARD CURRENT ORDINANCE FOUR TO SIX REPORT ANALYSIS MOVING FORWARD ISSUES OR CODE COMMITTEE ALTERNATE PUT TOGETHER CODE ENFORCEMENT TOURISM AND INTEREST PRIVATE PARTIES TO BEST ADDRESS THE ISSUE MOVING FORWARD. JUST TO LEAVE CONFUSION ON CURRENT OWNERS CAN YOU PROVIDE OWNERS VIOLATION WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND CAN YOU PROVIDE ANALYSIS HOW WILL THIS AFFECT THE CITY WITH TOURISM? >> THANK YOU STACY. BEEN PLANNING THE COMMISSION 7 YEARS YOU SENT THE WORDS IN ONE PUBLIC COMMENT. SHANNON GILES. >> HELLO I'M SHANNON I'VE BEEN A RENTAL I WAS PROBABLY YOUR FIRST ONE. I ECHO EVERYBODY HERE IT'S FRUSTRATING HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO RENT IT OUT BUT YOU ARE MAKING IT HARDER AND HARDER. MOST OF MY RENTERS ARE DOCTORS, IMAGE TEACHES. ALL STAFF WE CAN GET STAFF IN REDDING. IF YOU PUT THE REGULATION AND I SHUT DOWN YOUR WAIT WILL BE LONGER. I HAVE CONTRACTS NOW THAT COME FOR 18 YEARS. I JUST WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE PERMIT PROCESS. EVERYTHING YOU GUYS CAN SAY I CAN REITERATE AGAIN AND AGAIN. THE LIMIT ON THE PERMITS IS A LITTLE HARSH. I THINK THE TIMEFRAME IS A LITTLE HARSH. I DON'T HAVE THE PARKING PROBLEM BUT I CANNOT IMAGINE PUT ANOTHER 10 GRAND. EVERYBODY NEEDING TO REGULATED. I CAME IN HERE WITH CITATION ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. ACCIDENTALLY I PUT 29 DAYS INSTEAD OF 30 DAYS. THE FINE WAS $10.000 JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. I DIDN'T PAY IT. THEY WAVED IT BECAUSE THEY SAW MY GOOD STANDING. THE FEE IS STUFF. YOU CAN PAY COUPLE OF YEARS THAT ARE NOT COMPLAIN AND NOT PAYING THE TAXES. >> THANK YOU SHANNON. ANGELA. >> HI. SO I'VE BEEN IN THE COMMERCIAL RESIDENT MARKET FOR OVER 30 YEARS. EYE LIVED MOST OF MY LIFE IN THIS TOWN. I LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY. NOTHING WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED THIS EVENING SEEMS ADDRESS THE COMPLAINT. YOU HAVE A HOUSE YOU HAVE SIX TO EIGHT STUDENTS IN THE HOUSE AND YOU HAVE PARKING. THIS IS ESTABLISH BUSINESS OWNER AND CONDUCTING THEMSELVES ACCORDING. WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE VACATION RENTALS. THEY ARE ALL IN THE SAME SUB DECISION. WHY DEAL WITH THIS? I HAVE THREE BEDROOM HOME I CAN RENT IT OUT 6 STUDENTS. MR. HATCH, TO ANSWER ABOUT THE RENTS THEY HAVE DOUBLED. IN 2021 WAS RAISED TO $90 THEY ARE $1595 ALMOST 16. YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. YOU OPEN YOUR HOUSING AND YOU PROVIDE THE HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE THEY TAKE OVER THE MARKETS. JUST BEFORE THE PANDEMICS I WOULD RENTING TO LOCAL HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE THEY CAN RENT THEIR BEDROOM PER STUDENT $600 A HEAD. THEY ARE MAKING ENOUGH FOR HOUSE PAYMENT AND RENTAL PAYMENT AND MAKE MONEY. REALLY? SO PEOPLE CAN DEAL WITH OR MAKE A HECK OF LONG TERM MONEY AT A LOST. WHERE IS THE BALANCE? THERE WILL STILL BE A BALANCE IN THE SUB DIVISION. WHERE IS THE BALANCE? MORE REGULATION MORE FEES? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD ABOUT THIS MARKET. MR. HATCH, I WAS RENTING TO LOCAL HOMEOWNERS WITH THE PANDEMIC. GUESS WHAT? EVERYBODY HAD THESE UNITS THEY SOLD. WHAT DRIVES MARKET RATES? WHAT IS EVERYBODY ELSE PAYING? MY HOMEOWNERS WERE SELLING THE HOMES FOR INCOME. THREE BEDROOMS $600 A HEAD. THERE IS NO LOW INCOME ANYMORE. IT'S JUST BEING BUILT. >> EXCUSE ME. I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> LIND. >> BEN BIDER, BUILDER BY CHRISTINE. >> HELLO AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'VE LIVED HERE IN REDDING FOR 10 YEARS. I'M NEW TO THE SHORT-TERM MARKET I GOT MY HOME PAID $12 HUNDRED TO GET THE PERMIT. RATHER ECHO WHAT EVERYTHING HAS SAID. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IF YOU THINGS. IN MY SITUATION I PLAN TO RENT OUT THAN COVER HOME STAY AFTER. UNDER THE TWO BEDROOMS UNDER THE HOMESTEAD I COULDN'T GO 180 DAYS. ANOTHER ONE THAT IS GENERAL MY BASIC PHILOSOPHY I DON'T WANT WIN WIN IF IT'S BAD FOR THE COMMUNITY. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE WIN WIN. WHO IS THE OTHER SIDE? IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE RENTAL THAT IS HELPFUL IT ALLOWS TO RUN THE BUSINESS AND NOT WORRY ABOUT COMING WITH CONFORMITY WITH NEW REQUIREMENTS. WHO IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WIN? I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYONE SAY WE NEED MORE REGULATIONS. EVERYONE SAYS WE ARE DOING THE BEST WE CAN. WE ARE COMING INTO CONFORMITY. I WOULD SAY AT LEAST HANDFUL OF REPRESENTATIVES. MAYBE THEY WILL STILL SPEAK. I WANT THIS TO BE A WIN WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I'M PART OF COMMUNITY TOO. I WANT TO KNOW THE OTHER SIDE OF WIN WIN WITH WHAT WE WILL SPEND TIME AND ENERGY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> NEXT IS CARL BROUGHT, FOLLOWING CHRISTINE AND ELISA YOUNG. >> MY NAME IS CARL BOUGHT AND HERE IS THE OTHER SIDE. I LISTENED TONIGHT PEOPLE ARE MAKING GOOD POINTS. I MOVED HERE 15 YEARS AGO. MY LONG TERM PLAN WAS BUY IN SINGLE FAMILY HOME. WE WORK HARD WE GOT RID OF TWEKERS AND PEOPLE STEAL WILLING OUT OF YOUR CAR. I GOT A LETTER FROM TEXAS WE WILL BE YOUR NEIGHBORS THE STREET IS CLEAN. IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IT WILL BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL I WENT TO MISS TOY. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT. I SAID MISS TOY IF THERE IS 16 HOUSES ON THE STREET AND 15 HOMEOWNERS AGAINST IT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SHE SAID NOTHING. WE DON'T HAVE A SAY WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD NO. THOSE ARE HERS EXACT WORDS. WE DON'T HAVE A SAY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS OKAY ON A STREET? ONE? THREE? FIVE? THERE IS NO REGULATIONS. HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET IS UP FOR SALE RIGHT NOW? CAN THAT BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL? THREE DOORS DOWN. WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE I DIDN'T EXPECT A MOTEL NEXT TO ME. I KNOW YOU WORK HARD. WE HAVE HAD PROBLEMS. THEY RENT IT THREE TIMES. I BELIEVE YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR PROPERTIES. I BELIEVE YOU KEEP THEM UP BUT WE AS HOMEOWNERS HAVE A RIGHT. THERE SHOULD BE A RESTRICTION ON HOW MANY ON YOUR STREET. THAT WAS THE BIG THING A THOUSAND FEET. THAT IS NOT SHORT-TERM RENTAL. WE SHOULD HAVE A SAY ON WHO IS THERE. WE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS TOO. WE LIVE THERE. WE HAVE KEPT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD UP. LISTEN TO THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S NOT MONEY FOR US IT'S ABOUT HOW WE LIVE AND WHERE WE LIVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. KRISPY MERFY. FOLLOWED BY ANALISA YOUNG. >> OKAY. HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF REDDING OPERATE A BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR HOME? THAT IS A MAJOR CONCERN. A MASSAGE THERAPIST WILL PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT IS LEGAL. THAT IS NOT PART OF MY ARGUMENT. THERE IS PEOPLE WITH BUSINESSES OUT OF THEIR HOME THEY DO NOT HAVE THIS REGULATION. THE CURRENT REGULATION WILL SOLVE EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM YOU HAVE HEARD IF IT WAS ENFORCED. LET'S TALK WHY IT'S NOT BEING ENFORCED. MY COMPANY I MANAGE 18 SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN REDDING. WE PAID $16.000 IN 2022. THAT IS ENOUGH NOT JUST THE REST 360. HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY COULD BE PUT TOWARDS THE SALARY TO MANAGE THAT. SHASTA USES THIRD PARTY COMPANY SO THEY GET THE COMPLAINT I GET AUTOMATIC PHONE CALL YOU HAVE ONE HOUR TO GET THERE. I GO AND THERE IS NOT A PARTY THERE. THAT TIP ME OFF THERE IS THIRD PARTY THAT CAN MANAGE THE REGULATIONS WE HAVE IN PLACE. THE ONLY ARGUMENT IS I DON'T WANT THEM MY NEIGHBOR BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THEM AND I'M OWNER. SHORT-TERM RENTALS YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE. PEOPLE RENTING OUT TO TWEAKERS WHOEVER THE CASE MAY BE YOU DON'T DECIDE YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT IS NOT A RIGHT AS PROPERTY OWNER. WE NEED TO BE ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE POLICY IN PLACE. YOU GUYS SHOULD NOT KNOW THERE IS 350 SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR TOWN AND SAY THAT FLIP UP HERE. THERE IS 230 OF THEM THAT ARE LEGAL. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? [LAUGHING] CAN WE PLEASE TALK ABOUT THAT. THAT SHOULD NOT BE FLIP DISCREPANCY THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THE ONES THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED. >> ANALISA YOUNG. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M ANALISA IN THE REAL ESTATE WITH MY MOTHER AND I'M WITH JEFF BUYERS SO WE MANAGE THE RENTALS TOGETHER. MY FIRST POINT WITH THE TWO SPEAKERS UP HERE REGARDING ALSO ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS BEING RECEIVED. NEIGHBORS DON'T GET TO USE WHETHER AIR BB IS PERMITTED. THEY DO. I HAVE THE DOCUMENT FROM CITY 18.180 IT DOES SAY A LETTER MAILED TO NEIGHBORS WITHIN 300 AIR BB. THEY HAVE 10 BUSINESS DAYS TO APPEAL OR NOT. NO APPEALS THEY GO FORWARD. NEIGHBORS YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO. AS YOUNGER GENERATION I'M MILLION I'VE MOVED BACK I WAS IN NEW YORK CITY. YOUNGER PEOPLE WANT TO INVEST IN THE CITY. DOING SHORT-TERM THEY GET TO MAKE MORE REVENUE. THEY GET TO PAY THE MORTGAGE AND GET A PROFIT. IT BRINGS YOUNGER FAMILIES TO REDDING AND GROW THE COMMUNITY. THAT IS MY POINT COMING FROM MY AGE. ANOTHER THING TO SAY WITH THE LOTTERY WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBOR WITHIN 1000 FEET AND LOTTERY THIS ONE GETS THAT ONES IT IS TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE AWAY MONEY IN THE CITY. MAYBE ONE OF THE PROPERTY CAN HAVE HIGHER RATE YOU ARE INCREASE THE TOT TAXES. ALL OF THEM SHOULD HAVE THE PROPERTY TO STAY AIR BB AND STAY IN THE REGULATION. YOU ARE TAKING AWAY THE CITY REVENUE I DON'T THINK THAT IS A SMART OPINION. THAT IS CONCLUSION MY OPINION AND WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAID TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE A SCOTT LOUIS. FOLLOWED MY SUSANNE MURRY. >> HELLO I'M SCOTT LOUIS MANY OF YOU KNOW ME. I DON'T HAVE A DOG I JUST DEAL WITH THE PEOPLE. YOU HAVE A COMMENT IN THERE A NATURAL PERSON THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY. I COME AT IT FROM PERSPECTIVE SIDE AND ALONG WITH THE IRS NATURAL PERSON YOU NEED TO BE CAUTION WITH BECAUSE COULD BE FAMILY TRUST OR LLC. ALL OF WHICH REQUEST BE ESTABLISH IN ORDER TO PRO TECH THE OWNER AGAINST LAWSUITS IT'S ALSO AN INDIVIDUAL. IT'S NOT OPPORTUNITY THEY ARE TREATED BY TAX BOARD AS INDIVIDUAL WHEN THEY ARE RECORD. K1 AGAINST THE TAXES I WOULD BE CAUTION LOOKING AT VERBIAGE CAM MENTAL OR SINGLE OWNED BY CAM MEN AL. IT'S NOT A CORPORATION. THAT IS THE TWO CENTS ALTHOUGH I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT. I DEAL WITH THE LONG TERM RENTALS THAT IS OTHER DOG TO DEAL WITH MY TENANTS AROUND ME. >> THANK YOU. SUSAN MURRY. >> MY NAME IS SUSAN MURRY I LIVE THE GARDEN TRACK. A FEW YEARS AGO I RECEIVED THREE NOTIFICATION THERE WILL BE SHORT-TERM AROUND ME. I LIVE IN HOUSE THAT ALLEY WAY AND GOLD STREET. AT THAT TIME I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE YOU HEAR A LOT OF BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENED. ALL THE PARTIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BECAUSE I'VE LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS I WAS NOT HAPPY WITH IT. I CAN UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THINGS THAT BROUGHT TO LIGHT. I'M TRYING TO GATHER A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR MYSELF FOR EDUCATION. A LOT OF PEOPLE EARN SHORT-TERM RENTERS I UNDERSTAND. I AGREE WITH THE RULES THEY WANT TO PRESENT SOME I DON'T UNDERSTAND QUITE BUT I'M TRYING TO EDUCATE MYSELF. BEING A HOMEOWNER AND I RECEIVE THE NOTIFICATIONS BECAUSE I WAS NOTIFIED 300 SQUARE FEET IT GAVE ME PAUSED BECAUSE IT'S 300 FEET. THE AREA IN WHICH THE SOUTH OF GOLD STREET THERE IS ONLY 15 HOUSES THERE. WHEN YOU PUT THREE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THERE AND 300 SQUARE FEET THERE IS NOT PEOPLE TO OBJECTION TO THAT. I SENT OBJECTION BY E-MAIL AND MY NEIGHBORS DID TOO. THEY ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS NOTHING CAME TO THAT. I WAS CONFUSED TO THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. WHERE DOES IT GO? IT GETS PAST. WE HAVE NOT ISSUE FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THE HOUSE ACROSS FROM ME WAS SHORT-TERM AND TURNED INTO A RENTAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A LOT OF REGULATION THAT WANT TO BE PASSED BUT SOME REGULATIONS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE. I DO HOPE WE CAN COME UP WITH UNDERSTANDING. THE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET I ABOVE OF BECAUSE THE FACT MORE NEIGHBORS NEED TO KNOW. YOU HAVE PEOPLE 15 HOUSES ON THAT ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND ONLY FEW FIND OUT ABOUT THAT. WHEN I TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS THEY DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT THEY WOULD OBJECTION TOO. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TALK TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. OUR LAST SPEAKER IS SCOTT. >> THANK YOU GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I'M SCOTT AND I'VE BEEN SCOTT BROKER HERE FOR 72 YEARS. I GREW UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN WITH SHASTA HOUSE WAS BUILT. THERE WAS COLLEGE STUDENTS AND THERE WAS NO ISSUES. I TOTAL AGREE WITH TOD AND GOVERNMENT OVER REACHED. THIS COUNTRY IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT OUTREACH. DOUG AND I USED TO REAL ESTATE. DOUG WOULD STAND UP AND INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND SCOTT. HE WOULD GO ON WITH IT. I'VE HAD TWO VRB ONE IN REDDING AND ONE DOWN IN THE ANDERSON I NEVER HAD ISSUES. I WAS ON THE COMMUNITY WITH REDDING. AT THE TIME IT WAS MOTIVATING BECAUSE SO MANY CARS ON THE STREET. BETH WAS ON THE COMMUNITY WITH US. IT WORKED WELL AND JIM ACCEPTED. THE COUNTRY ADOPTED IT. IT SEEMED SMOOTHED. I NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS EXCEPT BREAKING IN AND SPENDING THE EVENING. YOU LOOK POINT OF VIEW REDDING TO STAY THEY LIVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THEY ARE RETURN BUSINESS AND THEY GET TO KNOW THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF ME. I MEET EVERYONE THERE. I SEND THEM TO THE LOCAL ESTABLISHMENT. I ARROW WITH KEN 'S ON MARKET ROAD. CENT DOES IT ALL. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY IN 2006 MODESTO AND SCOTLAND WE ARE GOING TO JACK. GO AHEAD. WE PASS THEM THROUGH. EVERYTHING IN THE CITY INCLUDING REDDING THOSE GOVERNMENT OVER RATE AND THEY ARE STILL HERE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GET RID OF IT ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED. THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT. FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CAN'T FIGURE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU KNOW THE OTHER ONE HUNDRED GO AFTER THEM. DON'T ESTABLISH SOMETHING THAT GOOD LEGAL POINT OF VIEW AND LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER. THANK YOU. >> AND WE HAD PREVIOUS CALL SPEAKER WHO HAS CONCERNED. MR. CRAIG. MR. SWIG SIGN AFFIDAVIT ON HIS H. >> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME BACK. YOU KNOW IN SHORT TIME I HAVE TO SKIP OVER WE CAN GO AND LIST THE NUMBER PEOPLE AFFECTED CURRENT REGULATIONS AND EACH ONE MIGHT TAKE THREE MINUTES. I WANTED TO SAY ALL THE STUFF THAT IS BEING RAISED ABOUT WHAT WILL DO OR WHAT IS HAPPENING? MAYBE BIG PICTURE ITEMS AS WELL. WHO IS IT AFFECTING? I'VE SEEN THE RENTAL WITH LONG TERM AND SHORT-TERM A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WHAT GETS LOST IN DISCUSSION A LOT OF TIMES EVERYONE HERE IS A PERSON. MOSTLY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND EVERY HOMEOWNER AND RUNNING A BUSINESS. LET'S NOT FORGET PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING JOBS WITH SIDE HUSTLES DOING SO BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO MAKE A LIVING. I CAN TELL PEOPLE RUNNING SHORT-TERM RENTALS THEY PUT IN A LOT OF WORK IN THAN AVENUES. YOU SEE A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE SAYING WE DID NOT DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S EASY WE DID IT BECAUSE WE CAN. SO WHO BENEFITS WHAT WE ARE DOING? I ASSUME THE NET RESULT WILL BE FEWER SHORT-TERM RENTALS FEWER PEOPLE COMING IN. THESE ARE VACATION RENTALS THEY WILL NOT MORE AFFORDABLE MORE AFFORDABLE IT WILL MAKE VACATION HOMES IF THEY SELL THEM OFF. IT WILL HELP WITH SELLING HOME. FEWER PEOPLE WILL COME IN. FEWER PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING INTO RESTAURANTS. WHAT AFFECT WILL HAVE? IT'S 250 OR 230 OR THE LOCAL MARKETS. THEY ARE ALL INVOLVED. MAYBE SOME BIGGER HOTELS MIGHT BENEFIT. WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORS. I'VE LIVED A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES AND MY NEIGHBORS DO THINGS I DON'T WANT THEN TO DO. I DON'T NECESSARY BELIEVE THEY CAN OR CANNOT DO. WE HAVE LAWS AND I HOPE THEY ARE ENFORCED. A LOT OF ISSUES THAT ARE NOT BREAKING THE LAWS. THE PEOPLE IN QUESTION BREAKING THE LAWS MAYBE ENFORCED THINGS ET CETERA. YOU CANNOT SAY I DON'T WANT THIS AND MAKE FORCE COMPLIANCE MIGHT BE BETTER LIVES. REMEMBER MORTGAGES ARE 30 YEARS LONG. EACH PERSON IS A PERSON MOSTLY IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE IS NO BUSINESS THAT IS ONLY OWNED THEY ARE MIXES. THAT I IMPACTS EVERYBODY. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR SPEAKING. THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC PORTION. WHAT WE WILL DO IS TAKE THREE MINUTE RECESS. MY WIFE WILL TELL YOU THAT MEANS FIVE. WE WILL BRING BACK TO THE COMMISSION REGARDING THE ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD. WE WILL GIVE YOU A THREE MINUTE RECESS BE BACK IN FIVE. [RECESS] >> WE CAN APPROACH THIS WE HAVE FIVE OF US TODAY. I THINK WHAT MAYBE FIRST IS GO THROUGH FIRST IN TERMS OF AND I'D LIKE TO PULL THE COMMISSIONERS WHETHER WE WILL BE BETTER OFF TO GO THROUGH SIMILAR FASHIONS WITH THE QUESTIONS WHICH WILL BE YOU ULTIMATELY AND GET SOME CONCERNS AND THOUGHTS BY COMMISSIONER. I'M SURE WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE ORDINANCE? COMMISSIONER BY COMMISSIONER AND GENERAL THOUGHTS AN IDEA WHAT WE GET BACK TO? >> MY THOUGHT IS COMMISSIONER BY COMMISSIONER HIGH LEVEL STAFF AND WE GET NITTY GRITTY IT'S UNDOUBTABLE. >> LET'S GO AHEAD AND START. SO AGAIN IN GENERAL WE GOT IN DRAFT RESOLUTION WITH THIS ORDINANCE THIS AMENDMENT GIVEN TO COUNCIL. I CERTAINLY MY SPECIFIC ISSUES WITH THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. I DO BELIEVE THE FUNDAMENTAL PORTION OF THIS IS ENFORCEMENT. WE NEED THAT MECHANISM. TO BE CLEAR THEY ARE NOT THE COUNCIL PREVAIL. WE WANT TO HIRE TWO EXTRA PEOPLE TO DO THIS. THAT IS NOT OUR ROLE. OUR ROLE IS THE ORDINANCE. TO SEE COUNCIL THE EVEN ENFORCEMENT WILL TAKE PART OF ORDINANCE. I'M IN FAVOR IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I'VE SEEN SOUTH TAHOE AND BLACKS. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO USE HAMMER. GOING THROUGH THEM QUICKLY. ON THE ADU ORDINANCE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WELL. IT'S BY THE STATE YOU HAVE PRIMARY HOUSE YOU CAN CONVERT YOUR GARBAGE AND BUILD ADU IN THE BACK. YOU CAN RENT ALL THREE BUT YOU CANNOT GO IN AND MAKE INTO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THERE IS A PURPOSE THERE BUT IN TERMS MAIN STRUCTURE THE ADU THAT IS ONE THING BUT MAIN I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE. ONE OF THE SPEAKER LLC AND CLARIFY. SINCE THE ORIGINAL DRAFT WENT OUT AND WHAT WE RECEIVED TRUST HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. THE COMMISSIONER BROUGHT THAT UP SOMETIME AGO THAT WAS ADDRESSED. EVEN THE DRAFT HAS TRUST. IN MY OPINION I'M IN REAL ESTATE I DON'T THINK IT'S MAKES A DIFFERENCE LLC OR PARTNERSHIP OR ANYTHING ELSE. THAT IS A TAX AVENUE THAT IS SOMEONE PERSONAL COMMISSIONER ISSUE. ARE THEY THE BETTER OPERATOR? I KNOW LANDLORDS WITH HUNDRED UNITS OR ONE WITH ONE. THERE IS NOT DIFFERENCE. ONE WITH LLC WITH THEIR NAMES ON IT. WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE HAD BAD ACTORS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THOSE BAD ACTORS. WHAT WE HEARING CONSISTING IS PARKING AND NOISE. I THINK THERE IS PORTION OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESS PARKING AND NOISE. IN TERMS OF MAKING IT FROM TWO ADULTS TO TWO PERSONS. SMALL CHILDREN I HAVE FIVE HE IS NOT SMALL ANYMORE. I THINK YOU DON'T HAVE TO PENALIZE THOSE KIDS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. SOME CAME WITH FIVE TRUCKS FIVE PEOPLE EACH. THEY PARK ON THE SIDEWALK. WE HAVE SEEN PHOTOS IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM. YOU KEEP THE PORTION OR ADDITIONAL. YOU HAVE FOUR ROOMS FOUR SPACES THREE ROOMS THREE SPACES WHAT DO YOU NEED ADDITION FOUR? I THINK THE ANSWER IS THE GUESTS. AIR BB BEFORE YOU DO GET THE GUEST YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU WANT ALLOCATION. THIS WILL GO TO COUNCIL. I THINK THE OTHER ONES FOR ME I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF ELIMINATING THE GRANDFATHER. IF YOU ARE THERE YOU ARE GOOD OPERATOR GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. I DO BELIEVE THE GRANDFATHER NEEDS TO BE THERE. NOT IN FAVOR OF LOTTERY. I'M IN FAVOR THE EXTRA NOTICING. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THEY ARE APPLIED FOR. THEY ARE BEING RENEWED. THIS IS THE BODY AND THE REFORM FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THAT. THIS IS THEIR CASE. LET'S GET THE NOTICE OUT THERE EVERYBODY COME UP TO A FAIR PUBLIC HEARING AND COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION I'M IN FAVOR OF. ONE THING WE HAVE SEEN A TON OF IS PEOPLE OPERATE WITHOUT THE PERMIT. FOR ME THAT IS A MAYER PROBLEM. WHEN YOU GOT CAUGHT. I THINK THAT IS A MAJOR FACTOR. A REAL CONSIDERATION. I DON'T SEE WHY WE NEED 180 DAY IN THE HOME STAY. I KNOW THAT IS THE EXISTING I THINK... AGAIN THE NOISE STANDARDS ARE ON THERE. THE KNOW THAT IS THE STRONGEST. AFTER 10 P.M. SOMEONE ON CALL TO TAKE CARE OF THE NOISE PROBLEM. WE HAVE SEEN THAT COMPLAINT COMMON FROM THAT PROBLEM. NOISE OVERNIGHT. WE REACH A FEW DAYS IT'S A LOT TOUGHER THAN SOMEONE YOU LIVE WITH NEXT STORE. I THINK SOME OF THE ADVERTISING LANGUAGE IS VERY GOOD. PEOPLE ADVERTISING WAY OVER WHAT IS ALLOWED. YOU'RE NOT BEING TRANSFERRING AVAILABLE. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE NATURAL PERSON. I ALSO THINK... I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS IF THERE IS TWO. IF YOU ARE LIMITED TO TWO. WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF THESE IN TOWN. WE HAVE ENTRIES BLACK ROCK COMES IN AND BUYS HOME AND THE MARKET WILL SUSTAIN THAT. I THINK WE NIP THAT IN THE BUTT WHEN IT COMES. WE HAVE 30 THOUSAND UNITS IN REDDING. THE 230 THE 260 ONE PERCENT. I'M BIG COMPONENT OF MORE HOUSING. I DON'T THINK THAT IS AFFECTING THAT ONE PERCENT. I NEEDS TO COME WITH EXTRA SUPPLY. I ALSO THAT AGAIN FOR THE LOGS I THINK THAT IS FINE. I THINK THE APPEAL PROCESS IS SUFFICIENT. AS WE COVER THAT ISSUE WITH THE SECOND APPEAL OR APPEAL THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN DO THAT. THOSE ARE MY MAIN ONES. IN TERMS OF RADIUS WE CAN HAVE THE DENSITY. THE ONES WE HAD CAN OCCUR. I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TWO ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THREE ADDRESS THE STREET. I THINK A DENSITY CAN COME INTO THE PLAY WHATEVER WE COME WITH AND I WILL BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THOSE DENSITY. I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE AGAIN, WE FIND THAT BALANCE THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT. WE WANT MAKE SURE THAT THE GOOD OPERATOR CAN OPERATOR CAN DO THIS. I THINK IT'S CRITICAL WE SET THE STANDARD TO THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SOMEONE IS NOT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR WE HAVE TEETH IN THE CODE AND THEY DON'T GO ON AND ON WHICH IS ALLOW WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE. THE ONLY OTHER THING IS THE REINFORCEMENT OF REMEDIES. THEY HAVE TO SEIZED OPERATION WITH NOTICE OF VIOLATION. THAT CAN COME EARLY IN THE PROCESS. I'VE SEEN AT TIMES WHERE WE HAD SOMEONE CAN HAVE GOOD INTENTION TRYING TO GET IT DONE. TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT NOTICE OF VIOLATION STILLS COME. THEY ARE NOT BEING FINED YET BUT THE FINE IS THERE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT HAVE THE DUE PROCESS. IF THEY HAVE MULTIPLY AND MAKE SURE THAT IS THERE FOR THE APPLICANT. I THINK WE HAVE GOOD THINGS IN HERE. ONE THING AGREE AND WE WILL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. COMMISSIONER MINER. >> THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING. MY COMMENTS WILL BE BRIEFER. I'M NOT... I CAN'T HOLD AS MANY THINGS IN MY HEAD. I WILL WORK ON THAT. ONE, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING IN. WHAT I THINK LAND ON AS PROPOSE TO BEGINNING MUCH THE MEETING AND THE END OF THE MEETING. THE COMMENTS THAT YOU ALL MADE HAVE INFLUENCE ME SO I APPRECIATE THAT. SECONDLY I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR STAFF THIS IS A TOUGH CHALLENGE WHAT IS PRIOR CITY COUNCIL TO TWO NEW CITY COUNCILMEMBERS TO BUILD REGULAR TOPICS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING A STAB AT IT. MY HIGH LEVEL THOUGHTS I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE INTENTION BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO RUN THIS WITH THESE REGULATIONS. I CAN'T SEE. THE REASON THIS SOPHISTICATE EXPERIENCE IS FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND THE GUESTS THAT ALLOW SOMEONE TO INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE RESPONSE TIME. HAVE DEDICATED TIME AND BE IN THE HOUSE OF 60 MINUTES. THEY DON'T HAVE A JOB. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE WITH I THINK A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS. I DO THINK ON HIGH LEVEL REGULATION WITH THE COMMUNITY. THERE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS I DO LIKE. I DO LIKE THE MAX OF 400. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER IT'S STARTING SPOT. I DO LIKE THE DENSITY GUIDELINES. I THINK WE AVOID THE COMPLAINTS WITH DENSITY GUIDELINES. AFTER THAT I THINK GREAT NOTICE IS IMPORTANT. THAT IS IT FOR ME. IF I MADE A PROPOSAL TODAY IT WILL MAX 400 I THINK SELF-CONSCIOUS WILL COMPLAIN RENTAL GET THE PERMIT BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T GET IT IN TIME THEY MISS OUT. THAT WILL ENFORCE COMPLIANCE. I WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH 400 AND DO THE DENSITY SAME STREET. INCREASE THE PUBLIC NOTICE. WE STRIKE THE LANGU