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Had the outcome produced what we wanted them to produce when we initially set this forward? That way we make the change based on that data. And aligning it with what director lou is doing because I think we all agree we need affordable housing but we should have a comprehensive countywide perspective and plan for that. Thank you . >> thank you commissioner. Mr. Vice chair? >> think you Chairman. A couple of notes on this and i will not belabor the point. I'm going to support those items excited research and finally with the company. I'm going to support the item. When all those properties actually allocated and we did watch mortified that all the properties were allocated. As we sit here, remember we have to have choices also. I know what I that my district is ask my staff to assemble all the properties and what their statuses are . If you are not building what you're supposed to be building, I am asking b excavation process. Though we are spectators through it. We have the ability to actually take them back. People aren't building to take the properties back. We have the ability to do due diligence right now. We could also just refer this to the committee and asked the committee to come back with an evaluation for a policy recommendation on how we complete the process. Maybe the community that does housing is a committee bill or ordinance on this housing matter. Also when you're allocating properties we aligned with our policies but also align it with student policies . I can allocated essentially for housing . That is not zone for housing. No one ever counted the city and ask them about that. if the county the city asked him about that b leave there. What appropriate for the area and in the musicality from the future land use perspective . All those things actually need to be evaluated. Then I would just say the affordable housing stuff b getting those properties. There's not a lot of room for profit margin in there. We want to develop housing. They cannot develop housing for free . They need to say I'm going to b this much comprehension. They need to be able to do that. How do we address the formula? Of actually putting people who need housing and housing. All those things we consider what actually evaluate this. Thank you Mr. Chairman . >> thank you Mr. Vice Chairman. With that I believe that the next order exceeding one second , commissioner garcia . >> thank you Mr. Chairman. Commissioner monestime I hope you understand they were never personal. They come from but a lot of us witnessed to no fault of yours anyone here . When I did my own research what we've the red flag for me was the fact that it was a two-year been around for two years. He did make a valid point yesterday where you are right . Why do we only count the votes of the big guy? We should allow the opportunity for the smaller guy . I agree with that point. But we do have to always keep in mind to commissioner point I think we should coordinate our efforts and stick within the county's priorities wen it comes to public housing and workforce housing. By doing this workshop maybe we can do that. I hope you understand that is where my concern came from. I happy to support the item today but as you move forward and what gives me comfort the two years of version clause. Detailed build. Maybe the you can answer this question with in the process , I'm sure they cannot sell the property but what happens if the property can be subcontracted out , what can't they d for the individual they get this property as it relates to the contracting . Those are the issues that we have and as you move forward get to know each other I hope you do not take any offense to me raising those questions . >> thank you commissioner garcia . >> yes I just want to once again make everyone aware of the land-based legislation we have had because it goes to the core a lot of the issues vertically with the vice chair was talking about. i know the mnistries and is working very hard on that report to analyze where the county land fit, where the city land fit , unused land where the institutional lands for the school board could be helping institutions to find out if you can take these tiny parcels and make them to larger parcels that the vice chair mentioned are actually big enough to be developed. I do hope Mr. Chair as you work your items please and I'm happy to take you to the process of that in the data we are but I think these two measures work on at the same time can really bring the county forward with a rational policy about what we do with these small info b they are not easy right? Perhaps collaborate across jurisdictions to create larger parcels and you can make a real difference. You had a good question I don't know if cara is down there is what the definition has to be built in two years ? >> terrace maternal services. B do not prepare this item, it is a commission sponsored item. What I read is that the river requires the development in two years and it automatically reverts to the county b again. Board at the time to develop request an extension or has a justifiable reason why it has not started that something the board up decide at tat time. >> maybe this question needed for the county attorney's office then. Do we have definition for what underdevelopment means to make I park the truck on the lot and dig a hole, do have my permit? Do I have my financial? What is the definition of development from the county attorney's office? >> there isn't a definition of development but what is required by the way, karen smith is an county attorney . In the deed and says that the developer must develop the property with a sngle-family home. Single-family home , they have to obtain a certificate within the two years . The reporter just to correct the director is not automatic. The reason for that is often times , if it automatically reverts there May be liens on the property or other encumbrance we May not want the property coming back. Case in point. Property where there was a multimillion dollar judgment against the developer . The county did not want to inherit that. The way the deed is crafted is to give the county mayor the option to exercise the interests. The resolution also provides before she does that , she would have to do due diligence and environmental review to determine whether or not there are encumbrances that the county would inherit as they come across the property . >> it sounds like we have work to do on when and how the reverter clause would kick in and also the protections we would put in place so we would not if you exercise the reverter clause taking on any misdeeds of the person that has been sitting on the property for two years. Thank you Mr. Chair. Commissioner martin do you plan on supporting item today because there b how it was when I came on . I did work on that lnd-based thing. We can get our handle on what we have and how to make sense out of it . I think you have worked hard to make sure this will work in your district and I'm happy to support the item. Thank you . >> thank you commissioner higgins . >> thank you Mr. Chairman. At this moment I'm of the motion to remove te discussion . The caller question . >> I will not accept that at this moment and I have to speak on it. I will take the motion as soon as possible because have to gve a chance to make a motion to have a chance to speak. i understand why you're trying to move it with respect b with that said , to the maker of this motion and also the chair of the committee will fall under, I will tell you directly there is a reason why you are sitting there and a part of this committee and the Chairman Of that particular committee b I was on the stood up and said this is wrong. It should not happen and I also stated to record what I said clearly because it will be up there in the future if I tried to do anything in my district I will be treated differently and sure enough I would have to do smething . As soon as look into one property I was treated differently. I want you to understand that I understand your frustration and understand the full frustration of this board . Thank is this cannot continue . I am waiting for numbers is not the intent of this body to giveaway properties in the mass form that has been done. Know it's not the intent of any of the people today . I want to be really clear about this and precise . We need take care and I'll commissioner b stated it and every person appear stated it that we need to think of the future and affordable housing for everybody with that , if you could cope close really fast we can move forward I will move forward with you in my colleagues and workshop on this but I will get facts and figures but director lou are you here? It is the wish of his body from everybody that is commented at this point that the information requested from yesterday be given to every member as I get it because we always to start looking at this and I'll be b through a workshop. Going to do it as soon as possible but I want as much information over the last 10 years of the amount of properties, transactions and to whom these properties moving forward. Any other ideas that anyone of you come up with and I am moving to give it to ours commissioner monestime to move , please contact director lou and make sure that information with the time that is needed. Commissioner monestime, this will fall under your chairmanship on your committee but I want you to be very clear always respect you and understand your position is right now but please respect everybody else is moving forward as he tried to do for the good of the county. With that you the floor . >> thank you Mr. Chair. It's going to be hard to fill in commissioner morris shoes but I welcome the challenge. I recall my staff we will make some very , bring some serious discussion with the colleagues we have in the committee to make sure that your vision. I remember your comment yesterday when commissioner b supported the item . He remembered how strongly defended this future colleague . I look forward to working with commissioner garcia, commissioner higgins , the vice chair and commissioner martinez and the committee to make sure we deliver results to the county. Because initially we're discussing here because I welcome this kind of discussion . How we better use of the county's asset and not put them in the wrong hands . Commissioner and the minority among the minorities on this board. Sometimes I see red flags and understand it because they have to be keeping an eye out for the little guy. Nobody expected me to be here because I am a little guy. I have to keep an eye out for the little guy and that's exactly why I'm going to ask your policy and budgetary affairs to do more research on these items if they come forward this is on the policy we would put forth and also the commission's office because we need to resolve onto these things. with that I think I colleagues who consider supporting this item and I move on this item . >> we have a motion and a second by the vice chair . Do you have to speak in this item? And I will say a brief word . >> thank you. With that all in favor say I . Any opposed? Let the record show none. >> thank you Mr. Chair. I want to assure the board I am in agreement with the discussion. It was something important to me that I talked about in my run to be mayor and then committed to helping resolve these issues . >> thank you. Please ensure your staff provide us with all the information and I will be very appreciated by all of us. >> next item. I believe you will go to , actually want to do is Mr. Monestime can we be brief? >> Mr. Chair if you give me one second I will find my notes. >> while you look I will bring up six be too and call security executive session to discuss this with the attorney and I will be looking into this item in the future . I'm not could to comment on this particular issue at this time . are you ready commissioner-19 ? Do you want me to come back to you a little later ? >> Mr. Chair , on December 7 in the housing committee we had a presentation with regards to setting standard fees for daily service asked. Entity such as huber eats, door b and grub hub and others are used constantly by restaurants or community to offer the services for the clientele that needs food delivered to their door. It is my understanding based on studies that have been conducted that most of these apps charge between 30 and 40% up to the bill the clientele pays and basically put these restaurants and a very bad position during the pandemic. Resources that we otherwise would have been available to help the small businesses in our community make a little bit more money and up hurting the industry based on a number of individuals and restaurants that reach out to us. Those entities control about 90% of the delivery services in our county . Again they charge between 30 and 40% in hidden fees on every single transaction . Drivers themselves are paid as little as $1.45 per hour on those transactions. Also noted 2/3 of restaurant that are close because of the expenses from the services. Additionally, 41% of black on restaurants nationwide close in the first month of the pandemic . I said that the county should help restaurants recover and take a position to make sure a is placed on the delivery fees. Unfortunately we are not able to do what other states such as new york, los angeles, seattle and other principalities nw york, los angeles, seattle have done passing legislation to fees between 10 and 20%. Because of the preemption by the state. In the meantime, I remember commissioner higgins noted some restaurant owners complain about the large fees as well but they do not offer any suggestion in part because the delivery what is essential during covid-19 for the services. Accordingly higgins was the chair of the committee also noted that florida government would not be pleased with the revelation if you place the cat. The purpose of the discussion item is to bring this issue before the board and see how we can work together . We would request your support for a resolution was sent to the state requiring that they lift and help alleviate the burden that are small businesses and small restaurant currently face. I'm sure some of you May have heard of this issue as well but speaking to many restaurant owners that have suffered through this issue, I believe if you would allow Mr. Chair because this is a discussion item there are some owners that want to speak on this item but are not able to do so. If you accept one made the trip yesterday to be here and also today if you would allow him a minute or two I think a gentleman should be here . Mr. Jeremy nomar I believe his name is it somewhere downstairs if you like him as a business owner . >> I'm with him this item to the side for a second and give that person time to show up . As soon as I'm done with some items we will make the finish. K. . I wanted to get out of here as fast as possible . B an amendment and I'll take probably the rest of the four Madam Chair you want to read item for the record ? >> I'm happy to read them. Before I do if I could quickly put two things on the record . I was told on item 11 812 commissioner higgins did not release item that is item 11 812 commissioner Mcgee listed be sponsored as a cosponsor. Your first three items are for a , ordinance extending the sunset date of the coronavirus 2019 economic recovery task force created by resolution number are 350 20 and 7320 . providing for membership, composition, organization and procedures and meetings before exemption provision exclusion from the code and an effective date. 4b is an ordinance relating to the home buyer loan program amending section 17 160 and 151 of the code. Providing for cmpetitive selection with income certification of applicants of closing agents establishing loan position of home buyer loan with repayment loan and resale term, providing inclusion in the code and the effective date . Generally bounded on the north b theoretical southwest 75th avenue and the southwest theoretical 11 street and west b 75 place . B authorizing and directing the mayor operated public improvements b bounded on the north by southwest 56 street and south west b 262 street and on the west southwest 135 avenue. Known and described as paradise one and street lighting district. Identifying services to be provided authorizing and directing the mayor to maintain operated , various public improvements and inflation of streetlights. B waving print versions of our one 3006. Writing for susan from the code and effective date. The defined services to be provided . Inflation of streetlights including a street lighting agreement with florida power and light and authorizing the need to execute the agreement . B on the west by southeast 23rd avenue . What the purpose district. Identifying services to be provided authorizing and directing the mayor to be maintained and operated very public improvements in providing solution from the code and effective date. That ratify improving implanted orders for fees that unincorporated areas and amending article 6 of chapter 33 of the code of miami-dade county florida authorizing science and industrial zoning and regional entertainment venues subject doing criteria and incorporated areas providing inclusion in the code and an effective date. >> thank you Madam Attorney. To do the amendment suggested a moment? A separate motion not an amendment is a procedural motion and a separate standalone motion. We can do it after. >> thank you. I'll take all items except for a. To have a motion? Motion by commissioner sosa second by higgins. all in favor say aye? Any opposed? Madam Clerk . >> commission higgins? Commissioner Mcgee? Commissioner monestime? Commissioner b commissioner sosa? Commissioner higgins? Commissioner garcia? Commissioner heyman? Chairman Diaz? Passes with motion .- >> thank you. Madam Attorney , item for a? >> we need a separate vote on for a . >> I took all items except b separate and apart from 4a . >> sponsored by commissioner sosa, second by commissioner Mcgee . >> commissioner Mcgee? Commissioner monestime? Commissioner b commissioner sosa? Commissioner hagan? Commissioner garcia? Commissioner heyman? Commissioner higgins? Vice Chairman Gilbert? Chairman Diaz? Motion passes . Resolution r3 2520, creating covid-19 economic recovery task force . Due to the ongoing nature of the pandemic, the task force will not be able to complete its work in under one year . Therefore commissioner martinez has sponsored b given the task force is scheduled for sunset on January 28 , commissioner martinez is requesting this board move the current sunset date for the covid-19 economic task force be extended until March 31 2021 . Commissioner martinez pulled item number 15 b1 to address the procedural matter with respect to item 4a. Commissioner martinez is moving the board to spend the b committee review to further amend to reflect at the public hearing and second reading of the ordinance will be held February 2 county commission meeting. . >> items understanding. I want to make sure you're trying to cmbine them both together? Because the procedure matter? >> Mr. Chair, the motion commissioner martinez is requesting that on the colleagues made has two parts to it. One is to amend the prior resolution that created the covid-19 economic recovery task force until March. The second part of the motion to waive committee review of item 4a that was just approved. Instead of having a public hearing of the item for committee because of the need to extend it to have the public hearing at the February 2 meeting after the motion does. >> with that will have a motion ? Motion by commissioner higgins, second by te vice chair . All in favor say I . None opposed ? Okay . >> Mr. Chair the text of item 15 b1 that would be approved as amended . >> thank you. Commissioner monestime let's finish the item up please . >> Mr. Chair I like to recognize Mr. Miller from south beach was here to address the board. Mr. Miller, please come forward . >> hello, sorry about the microphone. I am jeremy miller 1200 w. Avenue number 1201 miami beach 33139 . Thank you for the opportunity to speak Mr. Chair. South beach has been around almost a decade , we have a loyal customer base t go in delivery when the pandemic hit in March. It is our best chance to attempt a breakeven scenario. There's an incredible distaste around the third party delivery service model. In the restaurant business if you are making 20% on the dollar you are doing well . Many restaurants operate much larger than that. Basically were paying that or even doubled in the delivery platform such as uber eats and that is not sustainable. Our entire livelihood and world has been changed forever to the pandemic as many industries have faced the same challenges. Operators to continually adapt during the global crisis which is hit the restaurant industry harder than most. It's nearly impossible to do so when companies have backed this up against the wall . 90% of the delivery share with the necessary evil so to speak. Te delivery service fee is not there simply no way most of the restaurants in miami-dade county can possibly survive and I would add the argument the counterpoint is the easiest platform but at the end of the day , with the trepidation around going out to eat with the pandemic with a lot of people choosing to stay in their home , sales are down 80 to 90% in the restaurant industry versus prior years . It's absolutely a requirement to have this as an option . Not only with the help small businesses to further enable the restaurants to be an attractive option to open new restaurants during this pandemic. Thank you very much for your time . >> but that we are good? >> yes Mr. Chair. Thank you Mr. Miller . >> Mr. Modest income on this item we will be discussing this in the future . I appreciate you bringing it up there friday and we have a public hearing that we are discussing the resume . Not a public hearing, basically a meeting with the mayor to discuss the resume a lot of the issues we have in the pandemic and so on. This is one of the items we need to further when we are discussing this trough sunshine and resume. Just bring it up at that point again. Are we good? >> we are good Mr. Chair. I just want to bring to the board's attention that we are not alone in the situation. They are municipalities on the country past resolution to support this. Unfortunately we cannot do the same because we are preempted by the state. Again with their help we can send a message the state to do something to support idividual entities like Mr. Miller who higher our people with an opportunity to stay in our county. Without that, many of them will go out of business . >> I appreciate that now make a public great conversation last night with the governor staff in discussing the issues moving forward of some of the things that are important to us . I will be bringing the information tomorrow. with that but thank you for this report in the discussion on this . I will move on to the seventh. If anyone has one particular one let me know. If not I will take them all together . Madame Attorney, do you want to read them briefly? >> yes Mr. Chair unfortunately these are titles . I will try to read them quickly. Ordinance relating to small business enterprise programs amending section three b 1.1.1 , two b 8.5 , two b 8.5.2, and 1033 b 02 of the code requiring the county mayor to confirm any b eligibility as part of the responsibility test prior to an award recommendation. Providing b in the code . Unincorporated area amending section 33 -- 20 of the code . Any self-service car vacuum in connection with multifamily residential development in certain zoning districts in certain conditions. Season ordinance b one of the code. Conforming provisions in state law b conference of plan amendment . Concurrent modification of approved development of rgional impact. Amending article 36 of chapter 33 lead to substantial deviation and termination. Making conforming changes to process , repealing procedure and requesting amendment of zoning code . Amending sections 33 h 14 and 33 I seven and 33 ja . Provides exemptions relating to regional impact, making technical changes with inclusion in the code and the effective date. 7b is an ordinance amending section 2 b 532 of the code , revising the composition in terms of office members of the hispanic affairs advisory board. Making technical changes in providing inclusion code and effective date. Amending section 33 b page one of the code. Notice and hearing requirements before zoning action , requiring additional information be provided in notices, requirements for a layman's notice providing the notice as a courtesy rather than a required notice , reducing time to publication , reducing notice, providing criteria for director relating to notices, revising requirements for department staff to check compliance. Deleting obsolete provisions regarding judicial review based on technical changes the effective date. Antonio george amending b shall be under the county commissioners rather than the mayor fiscal year 2020 b table of organization of the county commissioners. Providing inclusion in the code and the effective date. Those are the items Mr. Chair . >> thank you Madam. By the vice chair 's on the at times Madame Attorney roll call , Madame Clark? >> Mr. Monestime . >> all the items together? >> commissioner b commissioner sosa? Commissioner soto? Commissioner copenhagen ? Commissioner garcia? Commissioner heyman ? Commissioner higgins ? Commissioner Mcgee ? Vice Chairman Gilbert? Chairman Deas ? >> one second. Commissioner heyman, he were talking to us but your microphone was ot . With that, the vote is recorded . Thank you Madam Clark. >> I want to clarify for the record that on this boat on 70 I want to be recorded no . >> okay. For the record I know on seven d . >> seven ee as an elephant . >> thank you. Thank you so much. Madame Attorney , anybody have relief at this time? I have two releases 802 and 11 816. All in favor say I . And you post? I have commissioner martinez was not present. He has an amendment on 53 and two other items I will release. But the amendment o I3? >> yes Mr. Chair. The amendment is to strike the amount of $15,000 in the title and throughout the resolution and to replace the amount with $18,649. That would be item 853 as amended . >> to have a motion on these three? Commissioner sosa seconded by commissioner higgins. All in favor say aye? None opposed. Madame Attorney, start taking me down the rest of the items that are left please . >> yes, sir. Did you want to pick the ones where commissioner martinez was only pulling commissioner first? I am sorry, eight I3 was as amended the other items were item 804 and 802 . >> I am sorry I thought they were included . Madame Clerk, the record as such or no? >> I can't yes . >> okay then it is. Thank you. >> the next item is 806. >> are to be here for the record eight I3 past but you also include other items in a motion . >> there is item 804 and 802. Those other two items were Mr. Martinez the only pulling commissioner . >> he put a letter stating he was not going to be here so we moved on the items. Thank you sir. The first item is a fast six. I believe I have higgins on the floor. Commissioner higgins? >> thank you Mr. Chair. We can express budgetary concerns moving into what we know will eventually become a challenging time for this board on budgetary issues. I pulled a f-6 and 8f 11 . Speaking on the expenditure of furniture for the county, 8f 11 speaking on expenditures for fleet items for the county. B asking the board to approve an expense of $54 million for the county and asked I had to be $54 million the next five years or 54 about the next 10 years. His paintings $54 million for this year and last year it was a similar expense anticipated next year could be similar expense . Where I come from $54 million is a trans amount of money now to put on the record that we May need to look at these items and this is not a business as usual year , we would inevitably enter challenging economic times. We take a close look at expenses largest department dollars a year and $98 million every single year on vehicles and ask ourselves the question county sit in the same chairs we have been sitting in a little bit longer. >>> can we use the same vehicles we have been using a little bit longer? Maybe save on $50 million maybe a faction there are make sure we are not faced with a difficult question of having to let county employee go as an example . To express my concern for the rather large numbers talking to the very large numbers to make sure we are saving every dollar conceivable to make sure we are being fiscally responsible. Thank you very much Mr. Chair >> thank you. Commissioner heyman followed by commissioner sosa and garcia . >> if they got there b ahead of time I asked we can move on it but if needed at your prerogative. Commissioner heyman you are recognized. Chair. Thank you b eloquent combining section 9 what you want to consider looking at 8f 11 also for an additional vehicle purchase of 98 million . Last year we did this and I pulled it because it was office furniture. Tat was more than a year ago ahead of the virus . The keep looking at things and saying we don't want to increase taxes, we don't want to cut out or eliminate underfunded programs that are essential in recent looking at future expenditures and saying what is the deficit we are looking at now, $44 million and how we move forward . I can appreciate the research but I will tell you all welcome to miami-dade county especially the team and chef you are billed for moving in , changing your office and everything else in but the county charges versus what you could've done we stopped to shop yourself as a prudent shopper. That is an eye-opener. I'm seeing the head nods , that is how we do business . Mr. Lou I asked please stay here because he was set to pay $99,000 per month for his housing department in a commercial building when he was being charged at a county facility in overtown with increases. That was we negotiated without a moving cost and a couple hundred thousand dollars a year left . If there taxpayers money I can appreciate this, I voted against the last time and it's the sum total that need to be corrected. I don't think it's every year, it's the sum total for the purchase buying it now . Some of us to live through but was not known to us but still is on our watch the embarrassment of the 200 previous is sitting in a parking garage that we paid space for an I believe people start them because he brought them in blocks and we waited to distribute it , even some over a year. That made the headlines. It makes me as a taxpayer sick let alone the lawmakers when we rely on the professionalism of people following the rules and going with the legislation . I believe these three items need to be revisited even on the holdup . Some of it is even retroactive which I always hate because here's the thing, there's a difference between including us that one thing I need things . Commissioner social we keep going out there but they have been shut down a different cruise operations but it's fully funding furniture. I will give you one, I have an eight-year-old truck on surplus because the department did not like rollup windows versus auto power ones. It is in my district truck for over eight years. I think the time has come, I agree with some of my colleagues who have spoken other issues to watch our deficit, not increase our taxes and today's conversation the only two that pulled it initially. There is a difference between want and need and we need to start looking at who need to get an updated car starting with the top down, have a lot of administration that gets the car and lets it sit in the parking lot and the service delivery people are using other ones. One person's need , I'm not voting b I will be voting for 8f9 and will be working for 8f 11 so you can mark my wrds . I think 54,000,004 8f6 , 88,000,004 eight f9 and 90 million 48f 11 is a little hard to swallow . I am not seeing the best deal for the money being done in purchasing for the want list . Not don't need list thank you . >> okay, before I continue on any demonstration to discuss these items before us before the person in charge of this, get ready I want to allow my colleagues to say what they're going to say because they get a little frustrated and those that had all offices and had to move . I hear from all directions so I'm going to let them speak . I gather you have to do three items together basically because they are similar to what they do but hold off matta mayor I will let them speak commissioner sosa? >> thank you Mr. Chair and let me verify for the record, from this list we have in front of us only 560,000 come from the general fund. When you see all the property refunds, for example commissioner heyman when the terminals are done, the port buys the furniture but the cuise lines pay for it. What they do is they are buying furniture for the different airlines , for the federal government protections but they pay for it. It's not coming from the general fund. If you look at only the department of corrections and we habilitation, medical examiner's, parks, recreation and open spaces and a very small part from the police are coming from the general fund. Everything else is coming from the other fund. That is just for clarification purposes because the way it's listed here confuses everybody. After a few years here I learned how to look forward the funding is coming from and make it easier. most of the departments you see is they have to buy it but the terminals, the airlines the department of border protection in the area they pay for it. Remember, the airport is self-sufficient. Doesn't receive anything from the public from general funds. I wanted to bring that to the attention for clarification because it's very important for us to know. You have a point commissioner and the fact need to review our bureaucracy in our system. Because of all the rules we have we pay more money can be paying less and following ethical conflict . Thank you very much . >> Mr. Chair? Hello Mr. Chair . Can I say a couple of words? >> I need this mike checked . As soon as we know it is meeting please . Commissioner garcia, one second I'm sorry did not hear me . I will make sure I come around to you . The list is the following. Commissioner garcia , commissioner higgins and the vice chair . And commissioner soto. All right, we will get these new apps hopefully work out for the next meeting. With that, commissioner garcia you are recognized .- >> thank you Mr. Cairman I do echo this sent b it is true. We have been hearing will have budget shortfalls. We are going to expect budget shortfalls yet even b $500,000 more in the budget cycle is going to be a very tough one. We are asking residents to hold back and not to work. We are asking residents to apply for unemployment . It is a tough pill to swallow. I do appreciate the fact we now looking at these items and making sure I agree . I don't think it's a big deal b think they are doing their job because it's our job as commission of the board to review this and look at what's hppening in our community . How does this one item even if it's $5000 less , I understand there are different revenue streams and people in the dpartments and rules and regulations to abide by with the furniture , it just doesn't look right. It does not look right to ask the taxpayers of the community to pay an additional $500,000 ad have budget shortfalls. I am going to follow commissioner heyman's lead in voting no on six, nine and 11. I appreciate the comments . >> thank you very much Mr. Chair did really quickly i think this is an opportunity for us to retool how the agenda items are brought to us. Mr. Sosa bought a good point about procurement requirements for other entities in terms of them having to buy through our procurement system . One of the things ist should consider is taken's agenda item back and providing us an item that has greater detail . Not just on the required purchase , how long they've been waiting for that purchase and the funding. If you look at the fiscal impact source, the other issue is the support the allocation. Many of us were not here for the budget. They are saying we are within our budgetary line and if we are going to scale back on that need to have a conversation and I mentioned several times we should go back to that budget and do what we can to ensure we are being as efficient as possible . In terms of the furniture is a tough one because the depreciation comes fast and furious at you. In terms of the fleet , I think that these items should have more detail on the depreciation and on the resale because the ones that are taken out of service are sold and we need to know how much we got for that, or that money is going and if it goes back into this line or if he goes into a flush fund. It's an opportunity to get more detail and separate it by its budget allocation so that this board can really drill down on what we are doing and how we are doing it. I hope it considers that, we are happy to take it up at our next meeting. We are meeting in two days and I think it would be better to provide more information to the board and have us all vote no. Thank you . >> thank you commissioner and with that commissioner higgins . >> this is b I'm actually going to go through all of our concerns that mean to be looking at every one of these items how do we loosen our belts and there is anything we can pushoff or delay let's do that. 8f 11, can you please explain the miami-dade police department and miami-dade fire , I believe this is the last year of upgrading the miami-dade police department fleet. She hung understand that and perhaps somebody the police department understand the implications of pushing this off? Thank you. >> we have jennifer here and jennifer in the audience? >> they are still doing over there jennifer . >> yes of course think you . >> I'm sorry that this came very quickly to a lot of the commissioners and this is something we can help you with in te future but these items the previous boards have asked that these items we bought on an annual basis and tied directly to what the board has approved in the budget. The majority of what is called furnishing furniture fixtures is actually not furniture it is the interior equipment needed for these facilities. If out of fear of being replaced necessarily , the seeing that needs to be installed at the airport but it's the shelving necessary for the placement of the file system and police department . It's all of those things not necessarily chairs and desks. In terms of the fleet we got to the situation about five or six years ago where our cars were literally falling apart . We had police vehicle that over 200,000 miles and was costing us a lot more to maintain the fleet then it would be too purchase the fleet through the purchasing program we have developed which includes financing . What you are seeing in terms of the purchase price is the total price prson that was being paid on an annual basis in the budget because a lot of what is happening in the new facilities is through bond financing, debt financing and we are also financing a lot of the vehicles so we can utilize them an appropriate period of time, pay a financing payment , dispose of the vehicle , get the funding from the disposal and replace the vehicle. We created a replacement program. We are trying to do the same thing with her assets . We are going to see items like this coming forward they are funded in a very efficient and economical way in order to be able as the facilities. And able to transport our employees to provide services. I understand this ws huge items that came from one of your first meetings I look forward to spending a lot more time with you to go through these things but this is not money that can just be saved and converted into money to pay for services. A lot of it is specifically for these things because of the way we finance these . >> thank you jennifer. With that commissioner higgins got the floor . >> thank you jennifer. You brought me up to speed . I do understand the word furniture in the title is very misleading because it is everything in the title building that enables us . I want to go back to matt and his journal back to my original b probably not going to pass these items today . I remain concerned about the continuing miami-dade police department fleet replacement. I don't want that to further, we need it for several years. Also the men and women that have to drive these vehicles around . Had the same question with the fire department vehicles. If we end up deferring these items, I would like these two items to be pushed forward . >> second . >> alright hold on . I just want to make sure because first we only have one item . Let's read the record the other two items. That way we can do tis properly. >> yes Mr. Chair is items 8f6 as well as 8f9 and 8f 11. Those other three items the commission is discussing. >> for the record we are discussing these three items I'm sure b discussing the three items. Therefore, moving forward Madam Mayor I know you want to add things . >> just a point of information . >> I understand I am trying to avoid the deferral of possible . That's what I'm trying to avoid . >> it is just a solid waste vehicles I want to be sure b willing to entertain the solid waste vehicle. >> that is the issue Madam Mayor. Every part of this is important in the arlotta question for my colleagues to this is where we are at right now. I have in the lineup the vice Chairman Followed by commissioner soto . >> a point of order, do you have a motion on the table? >> was a motion cleared or no? I heard a second . >> what I said is, if this board decided to defer I will b miami-dade police vehicles and I will add solid waste vehicle . I would like those to be going forward. That would be my motion should we reach the point . >> I had a second by commissioner b we haven't decided yet what you're going to do . >> Mr. Chair I will include in a motion b >> that is what I'm trying to avoid . I've been rather long enough . So with that, let's continue the discussion and I will discuss that motion if needed at that point. With that Mr. Vice Chairman . >> thank you Mr. Chairman. I won't belabor the point and go to this very quickly. I believe there are some things , and in the nature of actually understanding from a perspective where we are . We have to tighten our belts. I also understand I think I is the charges commissioners too much but that's a completely separate issue. I think what commissioner sosa said about proprietary funds should be acknowledged and those budget should be acknowledged. The schedule should be acknowledged. They were sitting down the city manager and looking at, at that time the county's police vehicles. The county's police vehicles were in horrible condition. You can see them on the streets . That's a safety issue I thought nt just the officers but for the officers responding to our residents and businesses . I can appreciate the numbers but they also depreciate the proper time to have all of this when you actually evaluating b vehicles but also when you're deciding which probably want to bring on. If we have all the stuff out and just take police and fire and solid waste reporting the buildings on right nw, how are we going to furnish them? These are things that have to be discussed that a very dangerous stop figuring out because I'm assuming county commission that they evaluated the buildings that were coming online in them assuming the demonstration provided the amount in the budget is absolutely necessary to bring those buildings online. If we go back now and save you will push this off, we will pushoff what? Putting the cares they are? What are we going to pushoff? I understand the difficult economic times we are facing . I also understand the processes for us to not look at it in a b way. We have to look at it comprehensively from budgeted amounts to about proprietary funds . When you look at all that stuff as a whole. It might be a process issue. This really might be a process issue. The middle the process right now we are going to go into the budget and say because this amount we are not going to find this we will push it off until nxt year. I need you to tell me exactly what we are pushing off . Whether the garbage truck, fire truck, police vehicle , something those trying to get done whatever we doing at the airport, I need to know exactly what we are pushing off and the larger question has to be whether that can be pushed off. If you're bringing building online can we not bring the building online? That just has to be the conversation . >> that brings a valid point to the discussion . They also have purchasing power and that's what was put into the budget. I also respect and understand what my colleagues are saying as far as the future and funding of what we are building and everything else. Let me hear from everybody and we will take it from there. I have commissioner soto and the second round looks like. Recognizing sure . Thank you Mr. Chair. Good morning to all of you . A very good debate . First let me say we are and what some call a big war against the pandemic anybody here forgotten we are in the pandemic? We have lost over 400,000 and half million people . Have we forgotten tis is a war ? You have to take care of your resources and be conservative with the amount of those of you b enough to be able because b gasoline . You need to be aware we are in a war . Rich, war, black, white everybody. We have to have this thing clear in her mind. We do know this pandemic they will be b we don't know. We are confronted by a situation where miami-dade is a county with services . We are county were we basically b gone with the wind. Here knows the tourism b give me the number for the load off . Nobody knows. What do you do when you don't know : you try to save your money . You try to accumulate your money , you need to be in the same position. W are seeing clearly what we with the vaccines what the state is doing , all of you have seen that. To be very careful with all this because miami-dade county is a place . In this process the very interesting things happened. There is people are getting richer and the poor people are getting poorer. That is not a good combination of things. That is explosive. We the government need to be sure we have enough to take care of all the basic stuff . We need to be aware we do have enough . Miami-dade county for those of you that don't know that , the state does over 30% of the revenue from this county. Of the 67 counties in florida, we are the powerhouse . Yes the powerhouse forgotten in many cases all the things that happened in this great county of ours. Consequentially what I'm trying to say , we have to be sure we have enough resources to deal with whatever comes down the pipe. In order to have that we have to have a huge amount of money and space and property . We have to take care of the problem that we have yes. We have to create some sort of the system here . Of course we are the policymakers. We make the laws and the major who was there is the manager . She is the county manager. We need to have apartments . Need to have some sort of a committee of the same departments people like a super committee formed by these directors of what we are going into. We have nothing to do with that executive point. We need to create some sort of a super board when I say we I the major . Some sort of a super board of directors there in which they decide but is really an emergency that money owing to be used and the rest of the money's going to be saved and kept in some sort of a special savings . We do not this pandemic sent to be one year, two years , we are at a war. We have needs, we all know that. Most of the people the state come for miami-dade county . The pandemic here affects everybody . We need to be really careful with that . The economic situation of the county it looks bleak because tourism is gone . Are you talking about the cruises? What are you talking about? We talking about how the county makes a buck. Need to make sure we deal with this properly . We the people with spanish backgrounds no b . >> thank you . >> we are in the pandemic and the cows are getting thin. We need to somehow deal with this issue of the good times and the bad times. We are going to vary bad times and that is the truth. We have to be prepared for the worst. We have to be prepared . Let's not fool ourselves. Nobody knows this . Need to vaccinate 75 to the people . We have 75% of the people that stay vaccinated? Of course not. how long will that take? It might take a year, who kows? Rich people are getting richer, the poor reporting poor with the bad situation. Consequently our money has to be used frugally, carefully and me to have some sort of a special thing that will guarantee this is actually positively an emergency. We should fix the truck and get rid of the truck but it has to be like that. It has to be very carefully , this is brain surgery. You make a mistake and the guy is gone. Let's take this thing carefully and do what is right. Thank you. >> thank you commissioner soda. Hopefully we will keep everybody looking good . With that, I think there is a lot of questions on this item. Too many questions from too many people, there are a lot of issues even though b create an explanation to where we are at I don't think everyone is comfortable at this time. Now Madam Mayor , I advise everyone of you based on a motion to defer that you start with commissioner higgins . The issue on that motion is I don't think we have the votes to actually get certain parts of this done . The question to you madam mayor, can you wait two weeks to better explain the people and have a better understanding and make sure everybody is comfortable moving forward to February 2 because this is , if I start taking police and fire have solid waste and by the time the add-on we will come across the place . Madam Mayor? >> thank you Mr. Chairman I want to remember are the same issues when I was a commissioner. I also carved see the explanation jennifer provided today. Mayor was briefed to the urgency of the items. We are comfortable with the deferral except for the vehicles that apparently are very urgent and we can allow to say exactly why. For police, fire is always there is urgency and everything else . We are very happy to do a deeper brief . We should in the future present this item in a more detailed way that has been requested to these items can be broken out as to what is a capital project and the required project etc. So people understand the different categories . >> there's another commissioner that asked you to add two more independent apartments and didn't work on the norm. Those monies are not tied in here the purchasing power for those vehicles . This is the other two departments . >> yes as commissioner sosa stated . >> I accept the motion for the three departments on the three items . All those five departments with close three items. Everything else will be deferred to February 2 meeting . Have a motion and a second. Madam Attorney, you're holding her hand up? >> Mr. Terry May have clarified it . My understanding was I want to make sure b discuss it with the vehicles in reference to 8f9 and 11 but understand commissioner sosa has the airport b 8f6. Action to clarify . >> it would be in all three items . We can't all the departments and get verification on the west . >> it would give time to jennifer to brief the commissioners and the mayor in departments to also brief them as needed with that, adam motion and second. All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Let the record show. Next item. >> Mr. Chair on the pull list you next item is an item you pulled item 8 and one . >> is myself and commissioner martinez . I have explanations from the item earlier. I still think most of this can be done in-house but I have some explanations best suited to take it outside . I was at the motion to move this item moving forward. To have a motion my commission sosa? Second by commissioner heyman? All in favor say I . Any opposed? Is next item . >> the next item is item 801 . >> avenue commissioner higgins 801 . >> thank you Mr. Chair. I have questions as it pertains to cash my understanding is we are under acceleration ordinance and 801 host several change orders in them . Whether accelerating it as is required. I'm not objecting to this to my see for example . There's a calendar daytime extension one for over 100 days so I'm interested in whether or not you're doing okay on the laws thank you so much . >> thank you. Together with primary speak now? >> Mr. Chair if they are here . >> 108 extensions in any way compromise . Thank you. That is on it being for this body . Commissioner b tier question b do not have an impact on your ability to meet compliance deadlines with the epa . The project moving forward well one of the three is slated for completion with the other two slated for completion in 2021 . We continue to move forward on schedule and would love to reach your office along with the offices of all the commissions that's how the project moving forward in the capital program overall . >> I keep having problems my system here. I have a motion? >> second . >> have a second. All clear say I . All opposed? Next item . >> Mr. Chair tonight moved to consider it a one to consider it as I know . If I make and I moved to re- center b registered as a no vote . It's one of the ones you pulled . >> okay, commissioner garcia wants to record on eight and one as a no vote . He is requesting to bring the item back before so he can change his vote. Commissioner garcia made the motion second by commissioner sosa . Is everybody in accordance with that? Okay, without the item is now before us. Mr. Garcia wants to be recorded as a no vote and the rest of us are good with that vote am I correct? With that said we needed motion . I have a motion by commissioner and the vice Chairman And second by commissioner b all in favor say aye. Any opposed? None. >> all in favor except commissioner b . >> thank you . >> yes, sir. You next item Mr. Chair I believe is item 11 a1 . >> thank you . I think I was waiting for commissioner b but ac stepped out or is he in the room? Are you good with this item? Okay I have a motion on this item, I have no problems with it. Motion, second by the vice chairman. Commissioner monestime I apologize it was you. All in favor say I . Any opposed? Okay, next item. >> Mr. Chair you next item is 1183 . >> on the item I have commissioner sosa and b to pull the item. Commissioner so so you are recognized . >> thank you Mr. Chair. All I want to know is what will be the cst of doing something like this? We are so concerned about things that were part of the budget already in my concern and how the areas are going to be compared with those signs that are really helping . Then when you plant trees maybe the residents , how much is going to cost to do this to be an illustration? >> administration ? >> Mr. Chair I wanted to just item before you allow commiseration to speak you don't mind. >> you want to move the item? >> I want to introduce the item . Before the demonstration sits on the item . >> this is your item you want to introduce it okay. Madam Sosa before the answer your question out of respect to the commissioner . Commissioner? >> thank you Mr. Cair. Thank you commissioner sosa. The illegal dumping of materials like tiger , construction debris, furniture, appliances is a serious issue that create a wide range of problems in many areas throughout our county. Additionally, illegal dumping for unanswered challenges and contributes for the many no dumping signs b elsewhere. Also contribute in our neighborhoods. Where there is proliferation no dumping signs in the right of ways , we instead will place them by trees or shrubs in the counties right of way . It May be more difficult to park a vehicle ad litter and waste on the county right-of-way. The planting of additional trees also can hurt the natural beauty of the county and will help the county reach its goal of a million trees planted started by the county in 2011. Every now and then I go throughout my district and see maybe an acre or 2 acres of land surrounded on every side by residents of no dumping signs with bushes around those no dumping signs . In many instances the dumping signs do not prevent individuals from illegally dumping in the area. Since coming into office, my district office has taken on the task of asking that trees be exempted in many of these areas . We have been able in most cases to curve the dumping that usually takes place on these areas. We believe that can be more enhanced if the side trees and also shrubs are added in the right of ways. Ithink this will help for a better aesthetic of our neighborhood and our right of ways , something many of us should encourage. I want to say thank you to my colleagues who offer to cosign this item after it was discussed in committee . I would like to hear from others that were not in te committee but also ask you to support this item because it will truly help enhance the aesthetic of our neighborhoods. Thank you. >> thank you. Finally it is working again. >> I have a few questions . We talked about planting trees I hope we are considering the right place, no invasive trees close to houses or businesses that can destroy those businesses and can cause the county a lot of monies and not allowing the big trees under fpl line . That's what happens if be very careful. From his commission very soon if you all approved but at the same time , if we are doing something not only to beautify but to improve the littering that exist exist in these counties. If we include all the districts then to come back to us tell us how much is going to cost and where the funding would come from? If you accept that because I think you have to be fair , we cannot say we have a littering problem in only one area miami-dade county . We have it all over our district is include everyone district come back until thomas going to cost where and the guidelines until you appreciate commissioner monestime because if you use federal funds for replacement programs and things like that I think need to do it right and for the benefit of the community. If you accept that . >> commissioner even working with parts and the new deputy director of the wonderful job assisting us and they can chime in on this issue . The item start