Folsom City Council Regular Meeting

> okay. Good evening. I'll call the order the regular lack meeting of folsom city council April 11, 2017. >> [Calling roll] >> thank you. And would everyone rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> okay. So with that azend da updates. >> there are two additional agenda update items for item number 8c. >> and copies of -- >> for the public in the back and each of the council members have received each. >> thank you. Okay so with that we'll jump right into schedule presentations. So starting off we have a couple of this them. Proclamation proclaiming April 21 through the #29d as creek week in the city of folsom. If I could have glenn hermanson join me. >> okay. So creek week. For those familiar with our meetings and this time of year we do this every year. And every year we're important to have glenn here and was asked by our public works director to share a little bit of information about glenn, and because he's been a special part of the creek week activities here in folsom. glenn has been the folsom area coordinator for 15 years. We're nar with glenn this time of year as we introduce this proclamation. In addition to creek week he's been a volunteer with the friends of folsom park ways mon projects including planting trees and building trail bridges over the creeks. Glenn is a long-term resident of folsom moving here 25 years ago. His wife and two daughters enjoy bike riding on the trails and looking forward to the next space of the johnny cash trail and most of you probe see that activity on the prison road. We're not volunteering -- when not volunteering. We always introduce glenn but he doesn't talk about himself business he's a -- but he's a valuable member and volunteer. Happy to read the proclamation. Whereas sacramento area creeks council is a nonprofit organization working to preserve, protect and restore urban streams. Whereas urban creeks including many are an important amenity in our community providing recreation wildlife habitat and other benefits. The creeks flow into the american river and important source of drinking water, fishery and resources where actions as we take promote creek health benefit our rivers and whereas citizens are being called upon to be a part of an air-wide effort to improve and enhance our urban water ways by cleaning trash and debris and removing invasive exotic plants where the city is plant m sponsor of the air creek week. providing staff to guide citizens with the April 29, 2017, clean up of folsom area creeks collecting and disposing debris and providing other materials and receiveses as needed. Whereas the creek council designated April 21 through 29 as creek week in the sacramento region. I mayor of the city on behalf of the city council do do hear biproclaim the week upon sense to acquaint themselves with the activities during the special week and set aside time to benefit our creeks and rivers with volunteerism. Proclaim this 11th day of April 2017. Give glenn a nice hand for leading the charge. [Applause]. >> thank you very much. The quality of life here in folsom is very high. We're all aware and one of the reasons I think for that and I like to think everyone else would agree is the quality of our creeks and trails we have in the city. I -- that wouldn't be possible without the leadership of the council and mayor and the long-term planning that makes these happen. They don't happen by accident. I'm preesh tiff of that. The sacramento creek council has a variety of activities this week. The one I want to focus on is saturday April 29 where we have a massive clean up day where we dispurse around -- around vary creeks. And this year is the same. April 2, '99:00 to 12:00 google creek week and you'll get more information there on how to sign up or the city has trails days and they're looking for volunteers. Come out April 29 and thank you very much. [Applause]. >> a great segue into asher day. >> next on the scheduled presentations as vice mayor mentioned is a the recognition of ar better day. [Indiscernible] And whereas arbor day is [Indiscernible] Celebrated saturday October 29 whereas 1907 President Roosevelt proclaimed this as a time to plant trees and [Indiscernible] >> and whereas trees are renewable resource. Giving us [Indiscernible] Soil born carbon. Whereas trees in our city increase carbon value [Indiscernible] Where trees are a source of joy and renewal and whereas planting 105 drought tolerant trees along natomas street. We hear by proclaim April 29 as arbor day and encourage others to celebrate by planting a tree of their own and further enjoy sense to enjoy the shade [Indiscernible] We become a tree city usa for the 11th year in a row. [Applause]. >> [Indiscernible] April 29 you can plant trees with us. East natomas and 105 trees planted and we're looking for volunteers for that. Thank you. [Applause]. >> thank you for that. Okay. That concludes or scheduled presentation. >> the next item is business from the floor. We have one speaker card for john combs. >> good to see you again. >> timing is good with creek week and arbor day. That was nice. I'm john combs and I represent the citizens of folsom who oppose the road built to allow trucks to access through lines and manholes to vacuum out waste. We had two requests to meet with two council members and we met with sheldon and look forward to meeting with the rest of you before this issue comes to the city council. Our second request was to sponsor a community meeting to discuss the city's plan to build a road. We've not heard from anyone on the subject. We will host a community meeting and we would like to invite the staff and city council members to attend. The met meeting will be held monday April 24 in the reportry club building at [Indiscernible] Park. At 6:00. Low hard park. We encourage you to come early and take a walk through the beautiful area. Our recommendation has four elements. Number one complete the necessary upgrades on the sewer line, number two use a qualified contractor to clean and camera inspect the lines annually. and install flow monitors. And number four is to clear up line blockages using industry standard baskets. >> point four is our primary area of disagreement. They feel they need vector truck. To get a truck to a manhole requires a road. We spoke to others locally to help us with an alternative. Local leader recognize the potential negative impact and their business if they were to publicly oppose staff reck men dpapgs I reached out to provac. They have been in the business for over 25 years. Has over 100 employees. 40 vakt -- vactor trucks. We wanted to -- you to know that none of our team has any prior leadership with him. He wrote a let tore us. Using a vactor truck to jet clean the line and containment systems can work as a way to clean them out. We use a 1200 foot jet hoesz hose from the truck to clean sewer lines that are difficult to access. We approached -- we were approached to clean a long line that ran through a golf course. I've seen the baskets and other containment systems on the trucks were not accessible and they worked successfully. In my opinion if you perform regular video cleaning inspections then you can maintain the functionality of this system without a truck access to each manhole. We're looking forward to meeting with the council members in a positive constructive manner. You'll be convinced of our alternative is a superior solution. If you want more information go to savehingalcreek.Com. [Applause] >> I want to comment. I did neat mete today with the committee from there and they're my neighbors because I live close to that area. I'm very familiar with hingal creek. I was the park commissioner at the time we built that park. The funding we got from the state to do it I remember it distinctly. It was an accomplishment. One of the main -- the park commission and city council at the time approved. I'm making it a disclosure that I go every time citizens ask me to come, I come because that's how I view my job as a council person. I want to let you know that I was there today and I'm part of it. And I do have a sign in my yard if anybody is curious. Now that the election is over there's no conflict. I have a sign. >> thank you. >> okay. Anything else on business floor? Next item. >> next item consent calendar. 7:a ordnance 1261 adding section 10.20.280 and 10.20.208 to the code pertaining to parking and storage vehicles. Second reading and adoption. >> I'll move the item but I want to make a comment. We got an e-mail from chuck colson a couple days ago. He's commentary I think maybe we need to explain to chuck that this ordnance is noted intended to prevent people from parking boats and RVs or whatever in their driveway. I think that was the tone of his letter based on the 35 photos of the -- he attached. He had a photo of a boat parked on the lawn. We need to let him know that's not what we're intending to ard. And is this code enforcement responsibility solely? >> allow me to address that. I will respond to Mr. Colson personally. I did not get his e-mail but I will reach out to him. I will reach out to him. And structure by city staff exactly as you described. Code enforcement officer will be responsible to help facilitate the education part and enforcement part of this new ordnance. >> okay. And the other thing I think is going difficult. There was a lot of effort put in this to get this together. I think based on experience in my neighborhood we are -- we have now location where is significant additional pavement has been put on rez decisional lots that there's no way that some of these locations will need that rierlt for 40% land caping. >> and those issues -- I will discuss those issues as well. >> I will second that. >> call the roll. >> [Calling roll]>> all right. That includes -- concludes consent calendar. >> next item is public hearing. Item 8a. Resolution 9900. a resolution approving vesting small lot subdivision map. Inclusionary housing plans for development of the broadstone es states project. >> thank you. >> good evening. >> yes mayor and city council. While it's nice these titles are long it give us a time to start the projector. I will start the presentation. This is another one of the subdivision south of 50. This is one that went through a general plan amendment from commercial to residential. One of the issues were the ill side were so steep that the commercial development wasn't practical. And another issue is we have issues with noise and location of the rez decisional units relative to the freeway. We're using a couple of techniques within the specific plan to bring to you the best incentive map. The land has changed and what -- there were two major issues to deal with. One was to coordinate -- should be on. One was to coordinate subdivision with the adjacent. This is the freeway and to the south is the new home project russell ranch there were throats needed to be -- lots that needed to be coordinated. We needed to provide access to and from and one went through the project and we needed to coordinate the maps. In the process of bringing elliott homes is the developer and applicant. They brought the subdivision with 81 single rez decisional families -- residential family homes in 81 single family lots and they're similar to the lots you approved to the -- in the adjacent project. Very similar. What they did is used the minor administrative procedure. We foresaw there would be changes in the planning of the area and so minor administrative modification can be accommodated and in this case it was done very well to preserve the open space. To put it as a buffer between freeway and units to mitigate the noise issues. The plan 245 you see today -- the plan that you see today, it's working. The plan that you can see today will be the subdivision itself. The broadstone es states is adjacent. And as you can see it, it integrates well with the russell ranch project south of it and in terms of the ingress, egress and in term of the lots it acome dates a water tank in the -- accommodates a water tank and places open space between the freeway and units to mitigate the sound issues. This is a better view where you can see it more clearly. As you see here this is the right way for the freeway and highway 50. This is the water tank. All of these green areas are the open space areas. And these are the lay youts of the lots. -- lay outs of the lots. All the street interface was coordinated. It was a continuous and con tig would you say development. i think we've done a fairly good job in looking at this the proponents coordinated well on this. It's been through the environmental review. You have the recommendation and findings here. There's a resolution attached. That would be approving the vesting small lot tentative subdivision map t project guideline and the inclusionary housing project. It fills out the last piece up against the freeway. So we think this was well done. We ended up with a project that coordinated well. Some of the actual subdivision map some of the street kro-x secs. The grading and draining is here. When you have a hillside area that is a critical piece of information and the preliminary utility plan part of the map and that's critical because we've started the installation of improvement south of 50 this last week. >> what happens to this -- to the cul-de-sac on the right where they are being [Indiscernible] Because of the where the appropriate line goes along the bottom>> there are agreements between the two parties with respect to the lot here. So that you have a -- if there's a quick claim or any kind of a exchange of property to allow for all of these to remain within the existing subdivision. Those particular arrangements have been talked through by the parties and they're in agreement. >> shouldn't they be showing on this map? >> well, the map itself we can have the proponents speak to this. And I think the engineer is here. I think the idea was to do this via whatever kinds of instruments were necessary to make the clean up rather than to have maps that were -- that were go around the appropriate lines. -- property lines. The prospoent here and if you like to talk about what the arrangements are and how to work that out. >> and the short answer is fine. >> so this did get approved by the planning commissions. You are the final approving body and we're rement recommending approval. >> thank you. Any questions? >> this is a public hearing. I'll open the public hearing. I have no requests to speak -- okay we see price running to the podium. Good evening. >> mayor, thank you. I just wanted to answer the questions. Basically we've already entered into a series of lot line adjustments and boundary line adjustments and easement agreements with new homes in the event we didn't go first or they -- >> looks like the two lots I'm talking about that looks like it's going into open space anyway. >> that's correct. I think -- exactly which ones>> on the far right one. >> just -- >> those things that cross the -- >> those are the areas the cross hatched areas are the areas that are subject to this swap or lot line adjustment with elliott homes. And so it doesn't affect their open space requirements or ours. >> I didn't think it wouldn't when it would come into play would be the surveys of the vigil lots and I don't want a homeowner come back and get a lot adjustment later. >> it was complicated and we think we've gotten through it where now going forward it shouldn't be. Engineers spent a lot of time on this small lot to make sure those complications are taken care of. >> the-years must have just gotten it right. >> you know engineers they're very proud. >> any questions? Thanks. No further requests to speak. I'll close public hearing. >> if I May. It I peers that it might be an error in condition of approval number three on page 163. That pertains to the life of the map. I think and I'm curious about the council's thought on this as well. -- >> which snaj 163. -- page? 163. >> condition approval number three. >> condition approval number 3. As many of you know generally the council approves maps for a life of two years subject to extension as requested from time to time by the developer. In this case the slang written [Indiscernible] Language is written to [Indiscernible] In 2044. That's another 20 something years from now. I think that's an error. I could be wrong. I'm interested to hear -- >> seems funny it could an error but I could be wrong. >> whatever the council wants to do. I think there's a huge difference between the two numbers and generally speaking the council arooufl for sub -- approval of map [Indiscernible] The initial lines to be two years. >> that's always been our habit. >> so we're not going to the end of the da which is 20 plus years out. >> correct. So if kelso would like to continue with the existing practice of initial two year time frame for the map I would recommend modifying the language in this condition. Basically strike out the term specified [Indiscernible]>> is elliott okay with this? >> I could be wrong but [Laughter] >> I think that is the intent of the amendment. Was for the maps to have the life of the da. Am I not correct? >> if that was the intent it was not specifically stated in the order. The provision in the order provides for [Indiscernible] Specifically does not talk about the life of the map. And also talk about entitlements and there are five specified in the order including the general plan, the specific plan, the design and so on. And that does not include the map either. I don't think that's intent of the order but have to hear council's thought on this. >> well, it's been our habit for a long, long time to set these at two years and then, you know, I can't really think of too many times where -- when we're asked for an exif he thinks nothing has changed. It -- is there -- >> I'm not argue with your practice. I'm just questioning on the order, all of them what they specifically say. I didn't bring it with me. I thought they specifically stated that the life of the maps were the same as the DAs. >> I appreciate that, price. I have reviewed the terms of the order because the landowner brought up that issue. We looked at it. If it would helped to put -- protect your interests, the developer's interest, I would recommend a, perhaps a really minor edit. To state that the approval of the vesting [Indiscernible] Subdivision map [Indiscernible] For the term if specified in amendment nurment one to the order in any amendments there to for the project or for a period of 24 months which is consistent for the council. >> it refers to 24 months earlier in the paragraph. A couple lines up. >> I would be okay with your language. >> if such as stated which I'm representing to you I have looked over the order recently a few hours ago and it's not in there. But to address price's concern that he does not have a copy. And that is why. I just noticed this condition May be problematic. >> I think that amended language would work for me. It gives both parties -- >> a comfort. >> correct. >> if stated in order. >> okay. Are you guys going to move forward on this within the next 24 months? >> no. I mean. I shouldn't say that. We can't really move forward without our neighbors to the east of us. Very easily. So maybe. I shouldn't say no. >> not the east of you is it south? >> what've this is. South. >> isn't that the work that has already started? I think the way -- >> yes. >> the way it's looking to me new homes are going to create roadways in order to get to your part of the parcel. Or your parcel. I would think that's going to happen sooner rather than later. >> what time frame were you looking at down road? >> five years? >> no. If it's there, the water and sewer and road right-of-ways there we'll go forward -- roadways are there we'll go forward. >> we've done these in the past. I don't know if that's germane to this. We have had v done things where I think we see the time line is out there a while and so maybe ernie and kerri do you understand that amendment? >> if a longer term is specified in the order that's fine because the city already agreed to the order. >> okay. I have no problem with it. >> okay. >> if I had it in front of me I probably wouldn't argue. I don't have it. >> thanks. And thanks for your attention to detail there, steve. >> so was this moved? >> no but I'll be happy to do it. Move resolution 9900. Vesting small lot subdivision map findings e through m. >> and with -- >> with the modified language to condition three. >> and Mr. Mayor, I like to ask Mr. Long to read a version of the lank so we're all clear with regard to what the new condition three. >> and I think steve you need to read that whole paragraph from the beginning because the 24 months is already in there. >> absolutely. >> condition if approval will now read validity. This approval design guidelines and inclush ordinary housing plan should be [Indiscernible] For the term if such term is specified in the order in amendment number 1 to the order. Not just the order. Amendment number one to the order. >> in any amendments there to for the project. Or for a period of 24 months which is -- when sfr longer but in no event than a rt shore period than the maximum period of time permitted by the subdivision map. The term of the project design guidelines show [Indiscernible]>> okays. -- okay. Motion by the vice mayor. So please call the roll. >> council member sheldon. Howell, and morin. >>> next item. >> the next item is public hearing item 8b. Ordnance 1274. An uncod fied ordnance approvaling amendment number 2. Between city of folsom and every green folsom land join bradville inc. >> good evening. >> yes, mayor and city council members. This particular development agreement request was made jointly by the developer evergreen and also by safe credit union. We met with both of them. It's kind of a good campbell -- example of a great partnership between city, landowner and the ten gnat and -- tenant and what safe is interested is preserving 65,000 square feet within -- within the project left to be dwomentd. They'll -- dan is here from evergreen development and what we did to accommodate that is to modify the development agreement to carve out that 56,000 square feet -- >> for clarification. You're talking about 65,000 square feet of land or office space. >> I believe office space they're wanting to preserve out of the remaining square footage available. Office space. >> it's a little bit confusing in the introduction. >> talking about 65,000 square feet on the undeveloped parcel. >> they're looking for 65 square feet of floor area. That's what they're requesting. >> horizontal floor area or vertical. >> any way you do it. One story it's horizontal. Two or three stories it's vertical. >> that's why I'm asking you. >> we have design guidelines dwopt developed for this project so it has to conform to those. Anything [Indiscernible] Whatever the building height limitation has sto to conform. >> all I'm asking is the -- that's what size of the land area because the 65,000 square feet of the single story is an acre and 1.68 acres. >> they're not coming in with a proposetology say this is what they want. They're saying we like to reserve this square footage out of the remainder that is left and allocated to the development. That's what this does. Does that clear? >> the da limits the total amount of square feet of space that can be developed on that parcel>> within the entire development. >> within the dwyer project. That's odd they would do that. >> probably based on the maximum floor area achieved they have an envelope within they could work according to those guidelines. Given that they're wanting to modify the agreement. Extends it one year further than time period that currently is available. And all the details are within the staff report. We will jump through the presentation quick mrip>> this is the development that you see along highway 50. The area that's built out here in the areas that are left to build out. So from that there's an amount of square footage we cited in the staff report. I believe that's 255,795 referred to in the background. The entire footage was 1.425 million square feet. Several are built out. We've listed them. This is an extension of the development agreement by seven years. A year beyond what the current development agreement allows. It has the aspects of this are to recognize the plan development guidelines to accommodate the future freeway over pass and additional time to complete the build out of the corporate center. Part of the reason the center hasn't built out within the term is that we experienced a poor economy for a while. So I think it's reasonable that this is being requested and we would work with them to do it. so the extension of the agreement gives them to May -- excuse me, by one year. That is incorrect. The extension of the agreement -- let me take a look President >> April 11, it would commence on April 11 tonight and go to April 25, 2017. That's typo. In the staff report you'll find that on a page 6 of 26 at the bottom of the page under the effective date. That is the portion of the ordnance itself that approves the development agreement. We're looking at the lots available for development. The planning commission did review this request as they're required to. On March 15 of this year and they did vote unanimously to support the development agreement amendment and to send it to the city council for approval. >> which lot are we talking about? Back up one slide please. Are they talking about lot six or five? >> dan is here and he can talk to you about the lot that they're working from. I would assume it's right next to the -- to their existing building and that's what we've been talking about. >> next to the existing safe credit union building. At any rate what they're wanting to do is extend the term one year and to carve out the reservation for the safe credit union and that's sum total of the request this evening. Other questions? >> all right. This a public hearing. I'll open the public hearing. I have no requests to speak. And seeing nobody moving forward. I will go ahead and close public hearing. >> I'll move ordnance 1274. >> I will second. >> moved by vice mayor howell and second by sheldon. >> council member sheldon, howell and morin. >> okay. So next item please. >> next item 8c. Resolution 9899. Resolution extending the tentative subdivision map planned development permit and conditional use permit for the village residential project located at 1108 sutter street. >> thank you. Good evening. >> I promise you I didn't come up here to do all these power points just because council member mikolas wasn't here. I had all of these to present. There's been a request today by the aply can't do continue this -- applicant to continue this item and I respectfully submit that you need to deal with that before you go into the presentation. I know that the developers here and probely like to ard you. If you want me to go forward after consideration of the request to continue I'm happy to do so. I just want to take care of that business first. >> very good. We did get that yes q via e-mail and also had a couple other comment letters in addition to the staff report stuff from neighbors there. So why don't where she the applicant -- why don't we have the applicant. If you want to state your desires for the recorded. >> good evening. I'm the developer. We would like to continue this request because of the -- in front of the full council since I find out there's only three council. We would be denied we would like to continue with a full council. >> so your preference is to continue this to a future meeting when all five are here? >> yes. >> okay. So with that. Would that be indefinite. Would we just tee that up for the next. >> I think the next will be fine, Mr. Mayor. >> okay. >> do we have to know what is on the next one? Come on, you know. The only reason I have any concern about this is that the people here -- this indicates what I hear in the form I got it's after 4:30 when the request is made and people commit to come here. >> I didn't -- I just find out there wasn't full council tonight. >> and I think that -- one of the absences was a bit of a last minute because of an emergency. This happens. So -- >> I didn't find out that there was only be three of us until 4:30. To be honest whether you made the request or not I was going to make the request to postpone it. It's only fair. This project started in 2005 and it's only fair for both sides of the issue to have five council members to make a decision. >> okay. >> and -- >> I don't knowfy agree with that. >> you don't have to. >> let me jump in here before you two start arguing. So just for the audience we get these requests to continue items relatively frequently for a whole host of reasons. And then it's up to the council to make that determination. I can't remember too many car insurances where we haven't ex -- car insurance when where we>> so let's take that first before we get into any staff report. >> my concern is that you can't get an approval with the current three of us. That's probably true. But when we grant approval for extension for some reason beyond five people being up here that's like [Indiscernible]>> you have only three now. We've been working on this project for 15 years. >> 12 years. >> first action was 2005. >> if it's not a full council it's not fair for me to -- if denied we have to start all over again. >> so just so there's a clear understanding from those in the audience and those watching, so there's three of us here. A vote to continue this would require what? >> a majority of those present. >> okay. So two. >> I'll move to continue it to the next meeting. >> I'll go ahead and second that. For purposes of explanation. I will usually accommodate those requests and I do understand ernie's comment. >> I want to make myself clear. I have good relations with you. You've been polite and professional. It's nothing personal. I think it's the wrong project and the wrong place and voted against it. There's no reason I would vote to extend. Two to one is the best. >> that was my next -- >> you're commenting on something we're not talking about. >> it's -- I think it's -- I think so too. The second part of my question was is -- as far as a vote on a continuance. I just asked. So the vote on an extension that is different based on our charter. >> based upon state law. The government code. The majority of the entire body which would need three votes. >> to so that's dynamic going on here. I appreciate ernie's questions and certainly respect his opposition. So based on the way this was voted on last time that's the reason for the request for an extension. So I'll go ahead and second that motion for the extension and we do have a request to speak on this. I don't want to take that away from anybody if they still want to. I'm assuming Mr. City manager that this would be an agenda item on our meeting in the end of April? >> the next meeting. >> does that fit? >> let me answer your question this way. To be clear when you seconded the motion on -- >> on a continuance. >> yeah. >> so if the council were to continue this off calendar we would work with you the mayor as we always do to form late this for a future meeting that is undetermined today. I believe that vice mayor's motion was to continue it to the next meeting if it's the council determination we will bring it back the next meeth we will bring it back. >> we will handle this as the council PLEASEs. >> are we going to see the budget next time? >> yes. >> budget is important. I think we should go to two meetings. >> I'm okay with that. >> I don't want to say at this point this would necessarily conflict with the budget presentation. We haven't made that derjs. >> ernie brings up a good point. If the applicant doesn't have a problem with it. We don't run a risk of having an extension fail because of lack of action. >> the request for the teches tended en -- extended. It's pending before this body and it will remain pending until you deal with it. >> okay. Wanted to make shire we didn't fall into an unintended consequence. >> let's do that. If the vice mayor would like to clarify. >> I'll amendment the -- amend the motion we will continue off calendar subject to staff working out with the applicant when we can handle it. The budget could go two meetings. We don't know. >> understood. >> we will manage the agenda. >> I will second that. >> and my last request before I call for the roll call. Is can we make sure that everybody we have contact information for on this item get a clear explanation of what happened and when to expect this before -- when it's determined we will make sure they get a lot of prior notice. >> we will do that. >> great. >> with that, again, requests to speak on this is tessie. Do are you here? >> terry. I'm sorry. Do you wish to speak or you're welcome to. You can speak now and then speak again if that, if you want to do that. As you just heard this will be before us again probably in a month. >> [Indiscernible]>> I will defer my comments. I would request that I put on -- i got notification from the historic district committee meeting on this same issue. I got -- I don't know how I got got that notice. >> so we will -- >> [Indiscernible]>> okay. So for just sinisterry was not on the microphone explaining that is so terry is concerned about making sure he gets notice at our next meeting. So I'm sure we'll see his request to speak at the next meeting. We will make sure you are plugged into the next meeting time on this item. >> [Indiscernible]>> so why don't you come up. I want this on the record. >> while you're on the way up. Are you one of those people that currently gets copies of the city council agendas. There's a number of people that they're e-mailed to automatically? >> no. >> would you like to be one of those people? >> yes. >> if you could provide your e-mail address to our clerk. >> you can do that. >> after the meeting. >> after the meeting. >> and you'll get a copy of the agenda when it comes out. >> okay. >> floor is yours. >> my name is terry sorenson. I am a resident and historic district 1216 forest street since 2005. I did come here today to oppose the ex -- I think it got good grounds for doing so. Good ground for my position. A little bit amazed by what we just saw that how this continuance came about is like forum shopping. If we went tonight it would lose. So we wait until we get the right votes. I saw it go down -- I don't know what I can say. Wu I think the public should be aware of what went on. Was it legal>> guess it was. It was also political because apparently [Indiscernible] Want that to pass and they're not here. -- >> I just want to make a statement and -- in response to that. As I said earlier. Late this that afternoon council member mikolas was not going to be here. I've served on this council for 19 years and I don't think I can recall another meeting that we held with only three council members. I have no idea what Mr. Gaylord's opinion is. I have no pr pr e preconceived notion. Given the amount of time the developer has put into this as well as the opposition from the neighbors over the course of the last 12 plus years, I think it's only fair to everybody that all five council members be here. That's just my opinion. >> I heard you. >> I'll just add that I appreciate those comments, terry. That's why I try to really make sure everybody understood exactly what was going on so there would be an understanding. Whether you agree with how that proceeded, I appreciate that. so again, we want to be clear as to what was going on and it's only -- it's not really vote shopping. It's vote assumption based on the last time it was voted on. That again was a decision, a request made by the applicant and I don't know if I've ever denied a request for an extension. -- >> or postponement. >> anyway. I appreciate you coming up terry and adding to the discussion. And any other thoughts you have? >> not really. I'll be here next time. >> very good. We'll make sure you're notified and get all the -- >> I was waiting until the end of the meeting -- can I call the clerk and give her that tomorrow? >> yes. >> thank you. >> perfect. >> can I comment? >> you bet snp I agree with what terry said. I'm not a lawyer aped will not practice law. -- and I will not practice law. For the image of the public it doesn't look good. The protocol I'm ready to vote for the off calendar requests. In order to be fair to everybody. I'm not changing my vote. I can wait. >> okay. Thank you. So with that we have another request to speak. >> david, I think on -- there's an error in the staff report with regard to the vote that took place with the historic commission. It reflects there was six sfloets favor and one against. That's not true kenny was not there. I think it was 5, for and 1 against. >> I would say that having the full council vote on any measure is good government in action. >> thank you for that comment. >> any other requests to speak? We will go ahead and close public hearing on that. We have a motion and a second on the continuance off calendar. Call roll. >> council member sheldon. Howell, morin. >> and thank you for helping us fumble there that. >> so that concludes our slate of agenda items. Next item please. >> city manager reports. >> good evening. Members of the council and community. We'll have another rare instance of rain coming this thursday. That's not so remarkable in and of itself it's once again the time when we accidentaling river cutting for the lake -- schedule the river cutting for the trail. This will be -- >> my e-mail said rain or shine. >> it will be a rain anterior shine event. Thank you. We are looking forward to cutting the ribbon on this wonderful new amenity that we're delivering to the public. It will increase access for everyone down to lake natomas. We are looking -- we are dweerg up for spring and summer events and everyone's favorite the spring extrav began za egg hunt. that kicks off in a big 5,000 way. Look forward to seeing everybody out at our egg-stravaganza on riley street on April 15. >> a couple more announcements if I May. Weather depending again. Prayer city road will be closed on wednesday April 12 from 9:00 A.M. To 3:30 so we can do paistment repairs and -- pavement repairs and anybody that's driven down the road lately will welcome those repairs as we move into the summer driving season. I'm proud and I wish he were here to -- to introduce him personally. But we did hire, I did select a new folsom fire chief. Felipe rodriguez. Finishing up things in the city of ocean side and preparing his family for the trek up here. He's a local product. He attended folsom lake college some years ago before entering the fire sthaefrs has brought him through stockton to ocean side and returning here to the greater folsom area to serve as our next fire chief. We expect him to start on June 1. Looking forward to introducing him to the council and the community in person and we're excited to have him be serving us in the thu capacity. That brings me to our current fire chief dan haverty. A personal thanks for your service and you've done a lot of great good for this community in both of your stints as fire chief here, sir. Thank you. you're not quite done yet. A few more days and I appreciate all that you've done for the community, dan. Thank you. Wand that good evening. >> thank you. Well said. Ernie. >> I would -- I want to piggy back on the city manager's remarks about the -- I call it the easter egg hunt. I haven't missed one. And this afternoon I spent time putting the baskets together which is a lot of fun. And it's amazing how many people showing -- show up in the 15 to 20 minute span. I think it's materialized nowhere. And that 5,000 figure is not an imagination or exaggeration. It's packed. And it's fun because they come from all over. And park and rec people do a tremendous job because the last lot of numbers. A tremendous amount of boy scouts out there. School clubs are out there. We must have hundreds of volunteers. They put out thousands of eggs on the different fields. It's a tremendous project. I'm happy to see now there's no rain forecast. We were worried about that. I give credit to andy for that. As far as the rain on thursday it might be interesting to see how we're going to put up with the handy cap going down there thursday evening. That will be an example of what we're going to deal with. Other than that for the traffic people. I'm amazing -- amauzed and I've asked the city manager [Indiscernible] Some data and statistics on what is going on in this town. Vy seen more runners on south side. Not the -- going right through. They look to see will I get hit. No I'm down. I'm not stopping and that's wrong. It's getting worse. People say it's not as big as san francisco. I don't care. I'm not there. I could get killed in folsom if [Indiscernible] Mostly the stop sign. I think we're going to have to get tough. I know our police department is proficient and they do a tremendous job. Maybe they don't -- maybe they have to get more law enforcement. I don't know that. City manager said he could provide me information. At one time we had an analyst in the police department to do this and a person during the financial crisis. Now we have it hard back. There's -- as a Councilman I need to be able to explain to people that ask me. I can't say must be okay because I haven't heard nothing. That's not an answer that is acceptable to me. We'll get with the city manager and see what we can come up with. I think the city manager instituted what they call a quick report. it's outstanding. It gives a lot of data. I think we're going to need some of this. Other than that I think the town is doing great and a lot of vitality. >> thanks. >> a reminder to those going. The people in the room or watching us. Have friends and family that are going. Please, please park appropriately and cross ruly street at a light. I never go anywhere near that location on that saturday morning because I don't have little kids. There really is probably between 5 and 10,000 people. One morning when I found myself there I was shocked to see people with little kids toddlers in strollers crossing riley street not at the light. The spliment on riley is 45 miles per hour. Please don't that do that. >> that's the thing that scarce me about the egg-stravagandza. >> I also wanted to -- ernie already given my traffic report. The difficult I think is that what you're worried about are people running stop signs that don't get tickets and the police department can't produce data on how many are -- >> the people ask me how many they're not getting tickets. They think no one is getting district tick tickets and you know that's not true. >> as far as the driving goes. It's worse when it rains and stops. When it starts raining again there's oil on the pavement that comes up and makes it slippery. Drive careful tin until the rain is over. I'm seeing a lot of speeding in every neighborhood. I'm seeing people rolling through stop signs. Who are ignoring them. I almost got hit on folsom boulevard coming out of forest leaving an event last week. A full-sized pickup truck that went most of the way through the light at natomas and folsom boulevard. It was raining. I had the pleasure of representing the mayor and the city council at the immigration and natural zags ceremony that took place place at the library. Channel 13 was there. It was lovely. There were 30 people from I think it was 12 different countries that were becoming U.S. Citizens. The library was packed. About seven or eight of those people are actually folsom residents. That was very cool. It's always a lovely event and the library staff did a great job organize noising it. Congrats to our staff and those new U.S. Citizens. They were happy and it was very heart warming to see them waving the flags. It was cool. And I think we do that every year at the beginning of library week. If you see that event if in -- in the future televised or listed, I strongly encourage you to attend. It's a lovely event to watch. >> and I will say happy easter and see you in two weeks. >> thank you. And thanks for filling in for me on that last saturday. >> two things. Last week I was in washington dc. With our director of water and waste water division visiting congressional folks and [Indiscernible] And U.S. Army corps of engineers working on water issues. And encourage good business decisions when it comes to water supplies for the residents of the city. And a good series of meetings. Folks we met with the bureau reclamation of U.S. Army corps of engineers good people that understand the issues and seem to hear our concerns as far as -- and a lot of that was what happened during our dry years and how we can do things better and keep everybody more comfortable. Great -- part of that was it was a combined city of roseville, city of folsom trip because we both depend on surface water from folsom lake. Including that was the mayor of roseville susan roan. And thank our folsom and waste water expert. Hymn drag me around -- him drag me around to the meetings with the information. And lastly an interesting letter we received from the department of clockic beverage -- alcoholic beverage control. It says about who we are and what we do as a team. Whether employees, residents, business owners and the like. This is a letter from the director of the alcoholic beverage control. I had the pleasure of being briefed on the shoulder tap operation that occurred in your city freb 8. The goal and purpose was to reduce under aged drinking and deter adults from furnishing alcoholic beverages from minors. A minor decoy was -- the under aged decoy was working on the director super vision of the folsom police officers. During operation the minor decoy asked a total of 29 people to purchase alcoholic beverage beverages. All 29 said no. This is the first time in recent history where we have seen an operation where a 100% compliance rate. And in addition the folsom police department conducted a minor decoy operation. Visiting 15 liquor stores and the clerk said all 15 businesses refwused -- refused to sell to the minor. The result of the operation speaks volumes. The ot comes of these operations were a huge success and will continue to serve as a model to other cities. The mayor's office and city council are to be commended for the outing citizenry in foals pm the police department is to be commended to its dedication and public safety in maintaining a strong presence in the field of under aged drinking enforcement. The folsom police department has made positive contributions to the state of california and you can take pride in knowing that their participation and the shoulder tap and minor decoy programs have helped educate the exhibits about the consequences of furnishing alcoholic beverage to minor. >>s something we don't see every day and feel every day as far as some of the behind the scenes things that go on. And attempt to make sure that these crimes are reduced to zero. In this case. My thanks to everybody who makes that happen. It is. It's our rez dens, police department the -- residents, police departments. As I read that letter all those folks were an important part to that. My sincere appreciation for the director of the abc to take time to recognize that fine accomplishment. So with that -- >> I think we should encourage the police department to make sure that the people are that are involved in business watch are aware of that. That's good information for them. >> I'm sure we'll make sure this gets spread around. >> one other thing. Did you look up whatever the latest award is that we got from whoever it was? >> I believe you're referring to folsom ranks within the 92nd percentile in credit ratings for citizens in the community. >> we have good credit as well. >> our residents do. [Laughter] >> seriously. That is whats the. >> and our city as well. >> and -- rated in a different gsh fico doesn't rate us. >> as you know the faa runs a snack bar at limby and we have a sign that says if you look like you're over 30 you have to id us. And they to it. And the police come check us. The decoys and they also -- people have attended the courses they put on. It's a good. >> thanks for taking part in