CM Boylan Noticed Meeting E-Bike regulation bill 2026-0570

>> All right. I think we're ready to get started. I'm going to call on. >> To order the meeting of this notice meeting with respect to the e-bike legislation we're proposing invite my colleagues introduced themselves. Can our City Council District One, Ron Salem group that large and I thank all those who participated in this conversation and those who are here and Mr. Councilmember Palou so is joining us. If you grab a copy of the U.S. and that's OK, you know who you are. I did that just by way of and this bill, was it something I've been talking about since October of last year, constituent and many, my bills and my last bill, an invasive species was initiated by concern, raised by constituent. And so I think you need to be responsible and their specific actions of concerns raised credit during the course of time since October. We've seen quite a number of folks speaking to this issue of your bike safety. And so we kind of put a pause on a start to work with a mile. Corey Perry, Milo, hear me that I keep on making Milo Korean like it better Corey Miles by the office of General Counsel. And so we do a lot, Allan, him speak a little bit to the homework we did. We took a look at other legislation around the state and as well as whatever's available through the Florida statute and how that would play it out. We put a pause on it when the state legislature, Senate bill 382, I believe it was was introduced that ultimately vetoed by the governor for concern over enforcement. And apparently there was supposed to be a statewide documentation issues that seem to be little bit owners for him to to accept. So with that veto, we view leaves, picked up our pace. And in terms of introducing this bill as we push it out there, I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of active interest in this in this conversation. So from there, the bill as drafted we received this morning over here, a beautiful evening emailed report letter let lineout some suggestions from the bike walk folks and then reached out to Matt Fall in the planning Department and terms of their comments. So we see the hearing involving Bill so last week after multiple iterations, our last conversation with Ella propellant, a pro pro line that fall. The current iteration you see before you is what is proposed at this point in time. It may ultimately be a substitute because it's a far cry from what we initially had introduced developed from there. I met with JSO Chief Franco and Commander Damone last week and we'll get to their concerns here. Largely for the most part. The bill as per their understanding is a duplicate of existing Florida statutes. But that being said, it's not uncommon for us to have local bills that mirror Florida statutes. I don't have any pain with that. And I think it's fine. And and if nothing else it through this process, if we're able to make families, parents, guardians, children aware of their responsibility, as you know, in terms of e-bike safety, I will feel that we've accomplished what we needed to do. So what I thought we would do today is the bite. I'm going to light Corey here. Take a few minutes to walk you through the bill. We'll look at who was additional comment and then I'll talk a little bit about what JSO concerns are and my thoughts on what we may do to make sure that this bill, it is acceptable to my colleagues as we move it forward for. We've that that's my one definition. >> Thank you. Chair the a ferocious meeting. So it obviously a lot of electric bikes. What about electric scooters? >> Well, you know, there was a lot of conversation about and we want to broaden this. I want to stay singular in this process to make sure it gets done. We can certainly come back and deal with those who abuse. This is a temple to say to what we do. How does this parallel with other yakult mobility vehicles? I mean, I just feel like they're so similar. I get it. But I want to get this done for so we could we could talk about that. We get to that conversation. Okay. >> Let me back up a second electric bike is our regular bike. That's got this kind of power to correct that scooter being smaller pipe to absolutely. So it's not exactly similar him, OK? So your legislation addresses electric by strictly peddling and not pedaling the bike corrective camp have. But you can get extra power if you hit a switch or correct for correct. Okay. Do we have councilmember boiling? Amy statistics on injuries for Powell. The settlement with the ink will always vice. >> Obviously, it's not significant at this point in time, but we are seeing is a significant increase. Percentage wise as to the number of occurrences are happening. So we're trying to do is too minimize those incidents going forward through this legislation. >> Boehner. >> Through the chair, I just want to point out we have this conversation just a few seconds ago that scooters have now been move on to the jurisprudence of the public park in the vision. So I think whatever enforcement for scooters is on their public parking right now to the best of my recollection. And and and I think it's kind of restricted because of the Most Amendment being utilized within the urban core. And there were plans to expand into other areas like Arlington and things like that. And if I remember correctly, I think we move that on their public parking. So this will ensure that. >> Started to go ahead. As part of my concern is that a lot of these companies use both scooters and bikes. So it's that we are putting more enforcement on one device when you could run either of them. And that just isn't true to me. And obviously my district has a lot of what neighborhoods where a ton of scooter Piet Keizer on scooters. And so I would like to kind of do one bill. But if that's not what the ice, you have a good reason. You never not liked. Trust you. >> Thank you. I appreciate that. You know, certainly as part of the conversation, if if the body. >> As a whole likes the idea of a broadening the scope of this, why I was just trying to stay singer because that's where the focus has been taken months. Mike Scituate with them and turn them over the court to get the kind of walk us through the bill and in addition to its pointing out where Florida statutes already speak to this issue. Thank you, Councilman Board Moreland. >> Good morning. My name is Corey Milo. I'm with the Office of General Counsel and I Echo what the council member just said. We certainly don't want to discourage bike usage and this ordinance. We just wanted to set up an ordinance that establish reasonable rules for e-bike users, pedestrians, motorists to know kind of what the rules and the guidelines are and to operate in harmony with one another. >> So we also didn't write this in a vacuum. We looked at other ordinances from other jurisdictions, including Palm Coast. >> Fernandina Beach, Atlantic Beach and several other jurisdictions as well as Florida statute. So the first thing we did is established definitions. >> And most of the definitions section, if not all. >> We got from >> definitions that are in the Jacksonville ordinance code already as well as Florida statute. One of the things that we have proposed and I know Councilmember Warland spoke of this. We got a wonderful list of suggestions from bike walk. Jacksonville. They pointed out that, you know, obviously Jacksonville has many shared use multi use the Emerald trail, et cetera. We really in the original ordinance didn't address that. So we have proposed in the amendment a definition of shared use path. And I think that that strengthens the ordinance a great deal. So going on to the actual regulations in the ordinance, the first is electric bicycles may be operated on bicycle lanes, bicycle past Mike Walks right away. Roadways shared use path and sidewalks and then it talks about regulations regarding those areas in specifically with regard to sidewalks and shared use paths on the that, you know, electric, bicycles and pedestrians might interact more frequently. The regulations are little more stringent. And one of the things that we did it is we're proposing speed limit not to exceed 10 miles per hour. And I will say that that is not in the Florida statutes and one of the things that maybe it I'm not gonna say conflicts because it doesn't, but the Florida statute doesn't put a speed restriction with regard to sidewalks and shared use paths. And this ordinance does limit 10 miles per hour. And we thought that that was a reasonable speed. >> And that that. >> Present a good tap where electric bicycles can still power their vehicles sufficiently and still keep the public and other pedestrians safe. They're also to yield to the right-of-way to pedestrians. That is consistent with Florida statutes as well as provide inaudible signal when passing pedestrians on a in those areas. Again, consistent with Florida statutes. And the next thing that we addressed is the operation not only on sidewalks and shared use paths but also in the other areas. Again, the bicycle lanes, a bicycle past, the bikeways, the right of ways, the roadways and it's very, very simple operate in a manner that is reasonable. It can't be reckless. And we we included some some some definitions. Some suggestions, obviously weaving through traffic, not permissible, failing to yield to pedestrians when required not permissible amendment. We also included other definitions and suggestions again to maybe strength that unsafe passing operating contrary to post it operational restrictions, performing stunts are maneuvers that reduce rider control. All of these things very much consistent with Florida statutes. One of the other regulations that we included is that no person under 11 years of age may operate electric electric bicycle. That is, again, not in Florida statutes, but we did feel that this was a reasonable age and that, you know, quite frankly, no one under 11 years of age should operate elect Trump electric bicycle. We also put in their passengers are prohibited on electronic electric bicycles unless the electric bicycle is specifically equipped with a designated passenger seat. Again, consistent with Florida statutes and operator under the age of 16 must wear helmet consistent with Florida statutes. Electric Bicycle shall Display a label which contains his classification number TA possesses speed and motor wattage consistent with Florida statutes. Electric bicycle shall not be modified to allow for a higher speed. Then what is designated by the manufacturer sticker consistent with Florida statutes and off. We also included a provision that they must contain proper lighting again, consistent with Florida statutes with regard to moving on to the enforcement section. Currently, we're making it a violation. It would include in constitute a classy offense. And we also included a provision no parent or guardian of a minor trout show authorize or knowingly permitted a minor child. So violated a provision of this part. We thought that that was a very important part that is consistent with Florida statutes. But we need to hit to hold parents accountable and make sure that they oversee their children when operating electric bicycles, chair commander Jack Nies. Some questions on a chair. >> Yeah, I'm just 11 does seem like an interesting not saying it's right or wrong. I would like to hear from some of the folks in the bike pedestrian world kind of got their impression on it. And it's just saying it's a straight up. You're under the age of 11. You shouldn't be on them. And that's both rented one and or one that's on them by the family. I'm just I'm so whether you come from. >> How would you like to speak that? Yeah, it was about what arbitrate and some respects. It wasn't in a vacuum. Some restrictions have 16. I think Palm Coast had 11. I may have stolen it from them. But frankly, I'm not sure what Fernandina Beach has. But, you know, I was I was seeing anywhere between 16 11 point lead. And it's an issue we're going to talk about a couple of minutes because there are 2 specifically the JSO can support this bill. That's one of them is the age limitation. We'll talk about that momentarily because I want to make sure they cannot supply cannot support the bill with that fermentation built into it and asked that question as and we'll talk about that a little more detail a couple of minutes, you know, because I do want to make sure we have successfully getting this bill executed. And and I suspect we're going to some challenges if it doesn't have the support of JSO in that process. We'll talk about that momentarily. I want to circle back quickly to calm question. The Councilman Salem asked which is with his back to incidents. I have personally view 3 of late number one, my wife and I like to grandchildren driving down Brady Road young man on a bike lost control. The bike went off the road into a ditch and he's been se severely injured himself, that he had some significant cause of his legs had below the bike into my car, taken to a friend's house because both of his parents are working. Number one. Number 2, heading down. Orange picker 3. Best part is against the law. Bikes going down the length of the road. The middle bike is doing with the the entire way down the road and then it stopped at the four-way stop and they start to have a conversation. And the whole idea that getting people to understand you have a responsibility to be on the roadways that you have to adhere to, you know, standard. And one of my conversation with Jess that Clay was the case, for example, heading northbound on San Jose Boulevard coming southbound in the bike lane is a development in the man on a bicycle and e-bike with vendors here. >> It's just you know, we've got a ways to level where it is to the need for this kind of responsibility, both on the pair on the on the side of the parents, as well as the the operators themselves. So I thought as much as anything else is what we're trying to do. And I'll take a couple more comments from from here. But I want to hear from folks who live in the ice as well. Now, I've had very similar direction, especially in some of the old neighborhood that I have. I sailed or I mean, those seniors primarily live in their communities. >> I've I've had 2 individual say that their car was hit by an individual. And like, you know, now their spouse has been a claim and they're just people just don't know the rules we're not allowed to do. I'm assuming council Romero and Salem there in Arlington, a lot of old roads, their deadly similar communities. I would not be surprised if there was a similar issue there. So so there's there's a need for stuff. It is another question I had we allowed to to have people know where home meant. >> You have to wear that this business specifically to indicate that are required before both of the passenger as well as that. Is that enforceable accent? I'm not mistaken on scooters. I thought the state of Florida preempted us on that fairly screws. So now we're OK, it might be different for bicycles. >> Yeah, I I mirrored it to the regulation, the bicycle Florida statute, which requires helmets for rider 16 years of age. What are your honor? I'm very supportive of that. If you're below the age of 16 nation. >> If I could not just to get a couple of folks at the do you have any more you want to offer in the context of what we've had here come on to to table, please. And Lauren, also, if you've got some comments or are others will will take those as well. Thank you for just a couple of minutes as you keep that keeps on your time. 3 minutes. Also what we have an auditor here. Are we spending money on some? He was an ominous signs are going to. >> Yeah. And I think they spoke with you privately. I think the bill as is is already good. And I think we're adding value here. I think to Councilmember police's point, maybe we come back and do more of a micro mobility language at another point and I think it might be good to just take care of the e-bikes now and then come back. You could even be through Chapter 6.35, I think it is here in support of that. Then of kind of yeah for getting okay. Yeah. I'd be happy to sit down and like even drive some language for that because I just don't want residents saying what the h*** an opportunity here. You know, I think the risk out here from the law, good to know. I think there's a I think there's a place for that, too. Yeah. And you know, I like the bill. I think they own all the red additions are great. My only in addition, I think we maybe would mention the city's vision, 0 effort just as a tie and it doesn't change any of the legislation, but it might be something just to show that this does support safer transportation networks. >> One thing we didn't incorporate in this edition of it yet, I did at the conversation with Jess about the required training or and they're more than willing to take on that responsibility of creating a video. So I think we're going to put something in here that allows the discretion of the forcing officer to cite them for a mandate to tape. Watch the videos are the pay, whatever is created to educate them on what the rules are. >> Yeah. I think with that stems from from Fernandina Beach has a first offense off or worry the kid either pay $50 or take a safety class instead of having to pay that 50 bucks which is great. I like a lot of the red language in here that allows them to not have to have a speed gun that says, oh, you're going faster than 10 miles per hour. You can just see reckless driving and it gives them an opportunity to say, hey, this is a you should be writing like that. It's so I like the bill, as is the age 11. And I've seen that in other cities. That's that. Is it interesting one? It does seem kind of arbitrary little bit. But, you know, if you're in the public right away, you're on a public road. I don't know if we should allow anyone under age 11. So I think that's good. It's I think it's tougher JSO to look at writer and say are they 2 and a half or they 13? You know, it's a terrible guessing ages. So that might be a tough one. But sorry, learn to it. >> What do I agree? I think the bill is a great start. So thank you for putting this together, Councilmember Island and for allowing us the opportunity to to give comment. I think the 2 things above and beyond what is already consistent with state statute is the age restriction, which I think we have a problem with that in particular, it was pointed out to me that age 11 is kinda synonymous with like and the end of elementary school age. So I think that might be a connection there. And age 15 has also been mentioned because at that age you would be eligible to get a learner's permit. And so theoretically, you would have some knowledge of the rules of the roadway. So I think that could be an age to potentially consider as well. And then you have the 10 mile an hour speed limit. And we did mention in our letter, I think one thing to consider there and we're not opposed to a speed limit. I think that's a good idea. But one thing to consider is that there are studies that show that typically the average speed of an urban cyclists and this is not an east cyclists. This is just a regular bike rider is between 10 to 15 miles per hour. So I think 10 miles an hour, maybe a little bit slow. And you consider the fact that that e-bikes are important because they provide a competitive option to driving a car. And unfortunately in Jacksonville, we don't have a lot of safe protected bicycle infrastructure. So in places outside, especially outside the urban caught core, you are often using a bicycle sometimes as your main from a transportation and you have to read it on the sidewalk. So I would just make that point that we wouldn't be in favor of anything that would be making it more burdensome to facilitate biking as a viable form of transportation. I also want to point out that my impression is that a lot of these issues are stemming from what are known as the motorcycles rather than the bikes. So I want to be really careful that we're not sort of punishing law abiding e-bike riders because of what the motorists are doing on our roadways. So I think often when you see those kids popping wheelies, I have a couple of them in my neighborhood. Those are more often emotive those which are not actually street legal. >> So I think if not addressed in this ordinance is should be addressed. It addressed separately. And that's it's an item that JSO raise with me as well. But I kind of like just a singer in this process. I thank you both for taking a few minutes. I do have a couple of the folks who haven't some my thing meant. >> There is one word is and I know that in the definitions we put the class one class to class 3. I think a good rule of thumb is that the class, one class to are good. They're pedal assist. They stay below 20 miles per hour. Class 3 is where you get into some of those that Lauren was mentioning where it's going. 38 miles per hour higher than that. So it could be something as easy as just anything class. One close to as Good Quest. 3 is out. So for now. Thanks. Thank you. >> We're gonna go ahead. Invite the very Noonan to come on up and got a couple of comments regarding a recent study that they did on the beaches. >> Good morning. Still for that. I recently completed a study for the beaches community. And although that is at the beach, I think some of the things that we found and I may be able to answer some questions about crash to sticks and some things that I really want to reiterate, especially about education for law enforcement. We understand that for law enforcement reporting this is difficult. It's difficult to police. And I've heard that speaking with JSO and throughout the course of the study, but to better understand how to, you know, make legislation going forward. We want to understand it from a scientific perspective. And for the study I hand sorted probably 500 reports of for bicycles and pedestrian crashes because I had to find individual reports of cancer officers reporting that it was an e-bike that seems difficult for them. It was difficult for me. So just education for law enforcement I find was really important. Also, I'm happy to pass on the studies. You guys. It has all of the crash statistics and that we found and a lot of them were people under the age of 18. That's really why. Thank you. >> And next we have are Earnest Smith question regarding enforcement. >> Yes, Sir. Ernest Smith, 400 East Bay Street chair. There are, of course the back. Thank you for convening this meeting on e-bikes and the legislation as needed here in the city. With that being said again, the legislation is is great. We are welcome and myself on that speaking on behalf of their Boise back. However, we will bring this before the CPAC if it were to go on to committee and city council. With that being said, the biggest situation looks like here's the teeth. You know what he does this ordinance have because JSO, you know, they're fighting crimes. You know, they're they're doing what they have to do it. I have JSO been in contact with you on how they're going to try to enforce these ordinances. And if so, could you please give like an overview? One explanation, high-level overview, if you will, on how they would plan to go for doing that. I know we have CS officers, community service officers, even though they're not sworn on the still have some sort of, you know, powers that they can use. But how how will gso be able to enforce? >> Again, these this these on this as well and a great conversation is a segue into our next piece on the in terms of my conversation with Jess where they stand on these 2 bills. I think it's a very much akin to the fact I'm in my drive down Scott Miller Road every day at 3 miles an hour, OK? People are going. 35 people are going. 38 people are going 40. If we've got the same challenge here in terms of enforcing these kind of things. And that's a concern to JSO as very much it concerned about. How do we do that? I think there are 2 thoughts really in this process, it in my mind and we'll talk about the speed limit here in just a minute as to where they landed in this process. Number one, it provides JSO the opportunity to cite someone who's involved in that situation or an incident say, hey, look, ordinance is very clear that you operated unsafely in this process because you are violating the speed limit when Graham, whatever it is, so provides them that opportunity to do that. Secondly, it also it puts a bit of a throttle on the an operator, hopefully to know that if there's a prescribed speed limit that's reasonable on a sidewalk. We're not talking about the roadway because the roadways, basically they can do what they need to be able to this 30 miles an hour and they can drive 30 miles an hour if they have the capacity to do so. So those are the 2 ways I think we're going to take a look at this. But your point is well taken. I think it was a concern that was raised, which so let me not transition quickly to the JSO concert. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate this. Myth number one. Let's talk about speed limit a line in the state statute right now. The viable speed limit allowable speed limit on a sidewalk is 28 miles per hour. That means 30 miles per hour. That means 35 miles per hour. I have a gentleman concerned with that before I speak more to that one. It's not fun with their second concern. And by the way, both of these said they could not support the bill if they were incorporated. Here is the age limit. I'm comfortable in for the second love to hear from my colleagues about the age limit issue. This thing, the first thing that's the responsibility of the parents of the garden to make a determination whether or not their son or daughter is mature enough, able enough mentally and physically to operate in a bike and that should be their decision. So I'm okay with taking the look, the age limitation out of this bill to secure the support, a JSO will talk about the speed limit. Second, let's pick to that one 0st. If I could jump in your thoughts on that because I love the senior member. It's not the most in the American Midwest. >> Yeah, I have real problems with an age personally. I just feel like that's a pro nor will spawn civility. There are very much are kids that 9 years old and there are numb that sits 16. >> You know, and the U.S. and the EU. >> I think the parents, guardians should be involved in that decision. And he I think high would take out the age personally come to my post and I'm I'm also very concerned about enforcement. Yes, no one wants to. But in the legislation that it's just going to just be there and no one's going to enforce understood that. That's a separate issue, I guess. >> From from approach counties didn't want to attend agree. And I would think that it's it's more like helmets and safety precautions that people should have under the age of 16 and more comfortable with with trying to enforce this past weekend that way. Are your 12 or 13 when you better at home and at the very least. >> My other question, though, is for the purpose of. >> And Peter, Peter, here for the for the purpose of enforcement of a river burden. The other news is you can run and the other bikes you can rent. >> I think when you download the app, it provides instructions and guides want to make sure that whatever legislation we have does get sent over to them and they know to put that into their into their app and their process ease. And because I think when I the first time you log into it, it's it gives you directions. And usually what local state laws, sure you must wear a helmet if you're into the engines to make sense make. And again, we talked about that's hard to put legislation in here to require that it and there is some documentation is more or less as want to make sure there were games and other going to fight it. But to that, they'll be able to say like get them new guys pass along. We could put that into the arms and use everything else. I do have to run. I very much am grateful for this piece. Legislation cavaco introduced just for clarity. >> I hearing you correctly that JSO which would be the authority for enforcement does not support the age bracket Sunday due did. >> 2 items on one is the age to the don't think I need to limitations is necessary can support the bill. That's part of it. What's the second? That's not going to talk about it now. Just like, are you OK with that? I'm okay. With that case, the SEC, when is the speed limit 10 miles per hour. As I said, D***, that you current statutes allows 28 miles per hour, both in the roadway and on the side for me. I think that's little owners. When I'm on, I want to my focus is on the walking on the pedestrian and that process to see by curling down the sidewalk at a speed that is at 28 miles or likely greater is is a concern. I think there's some modification tenant per become Lawrence commented, maybe too drastic, perhaps like to look at something is closer to 18 to 20. So that accommodates the bicycles. Now, whether or not, I guess is willing to support that. I just think it helps, as I said before, helps throttle back the likelihood of someone driving in what I would characterize unsafely annex excess of the prescribed the speed limit. So >> you it. >> And your legislation. You describe these vehicles as reaching 20 miles an hour, I guess, designed by manufacturer the redirect. >> When miles an hour. So why won't you be consistent with their capacity? I'm fine with 20 as well. I think it any better than 28 is better. And I'm just trying to reach a happy medium between what the president. >> How do you know if they're going? 28 of 38, you know? >> You know, and I get that. So whatever it is, that's why I want to lower its. That's a reasonable number. 20 is a reasonable number. My mind. I think that's something that I'm hopeful JSO can embrace. >> The effect of the 20 mile as would seem to me fair and equitable because that's the capacity of the vessel, the vehicle. Listen, it's modified or something. If you feel there needs to be a speed limit, I think it to be something compatible with the capacity of the vehicle. >> Councilman Sam, any thoughts on the limits? Well, I would. >> If if JSO thinks 10 is to use >> too low, then what is the speed limit that they're comfortable with? 28 28, that's the current statute. Well, on the sidewalk, Councilman Boylan, I think you're going to have a hard time getting it through the council. If >> JSO is not understood and I've not had a conversation with them. I mean, that is maybe there's room for compromise, that that's what actually that's what I'm hoping for. And I was hoping she struggled to be here today, did speak to that out of reach out to him and see if they are willing to compromise on the speed limit. Clearly, I think you can differentiate between 20 miles an hour and 30 miles an hour knowing the 28 is the statute that they want. I think 20 is not unreasonable a place to land in this process. So I know at this is the intent is meeting with of give us some background as to how we got here, what we're doing and then getting some feedback from the community and appreciate very much all the input that's gone into this. And I think I will work with the Corey to modify the bill and reintroduce it has substituted following my conversation with JSO to see where they stand on the speed limitation of 20 miles. >> Just one quick question through you to Corey, not knowing the the statute in ocean. Look it up here. What's on a and a plan? C offense? >> Yes. So it's $100 fine of 200 excuse me know that all of us up to $100 fine and a partial ration is a is a pizza pie. You asked is a possibility. We're obviously not looking to incarcerate people in the U.S. and I think it's up to up to 60 days. >> And then and JSO, frankly, didn't have an issue with that. They were comfortable with the and dissipate. We're talking. Conservation is not talking. But we're talking about the parent or guardian who allowed that. >> You know, oppression to happen and they do want to go ahead and give it some quick saying come on up to the microphone, way to do. I do want to go back and incorporate into this ordinance. The information with respect to a class opportunity for us to for tested to do is introduce yourself. >> Armaments, tender plants key the junior bike ped corner workout of Matts office. I don't necessarily have a change to submit, but I just want to add some context and maybe help some context like this. First of all, on the enforcement point, I understand the difficulty in enforcing a bill like this. But I think it's the important to note that with a new city statute, we can help educate the public on this. And I do think that a lot of the misuse of e-bikes that we see is because there's a lack of kind of a city ordinance on the sort of thing. Matt and I do a lot of work doing community outreach at JSO safety fairs, etcetera, informing people of, you know what the laws are. And I think it would help us a lot. And from the public better when there's many speed limits or, you know, the rules are enforced. Something I wanted to mention about that in particular, the speed limit is that class 3 e-bikes technically are allowed to go up to 28 miles an hour by their by their definition are or how that exist. I suppose I don't think we want to limit necessarily the upper limit of the speeds on places like bike lanes and public right of ways and in the roadway. But 20 miles and even 20 miles an hour on a sidewalk, sidewalk is very different than a shared use path, even. But yeah, I think 20 miles an hour is is it's very fast on sidewalks. So while not necessarily are changing the way that these bikes, bicycles operate, period, I think the roadway, it's important to the roadways. >> In a bike lane is different than an absolute guys. Try to make that clear. Yes, we're not precluding that the kind of speed limits it that you would have on a bike path or on a road when this process is strictly side. Want to focus. >> Okay. Great. And then just for the information of the committee, I'd also like to mention that I worked at a bike shop is a bike mechanic for many years. And as this e-bike craze kind of started to blow up, we would get lots of questions of folks coming into the shop, asking how they can unlock their e-bikes are, you know, basically removed the resented in and well, I don't think it's necessarily, you know, the purview of this bill to enforce that. Some of the biggest problems that we see, as you know, the classes of e-bikes exist and they work as they exist. There's also maybe a measure of consumer safety required or or look into or an understanding of the fact that many of these e-bikes that are being sold direct to consumers are almost intended to be changed or modified or the rules be broken so that, you know, we can go out of the space on as one of us and that contacts and say thank you for introducing this bill. >> And let me just thank you and I appreciate the comments. My conversation with chief to commend only other day. He's intimately aware with the situation. He talked about a couple of the incident, which he personally and you talked about the fact that people are throttling up, if you will, their bikes in order to do what they do. So I think this is a first good step in the process, as you said, allows an opportunity to educate, happy to create tools, to educate the parents and users out there of these operators of these bikes not to discourage the use of them, but trying to do is encourage the safe use of them pure and simple and that process. Thank you all for taking the time to be here. I appreciate the feedback from my to come out 3 colleagues and for you for the great work or hits on this and we are adjourned. >> Good works. Is it