Economic Development Committee

LOGITECH: I KNEW SHE DID THE PLEDGE FIRST. MEMBER FORCHARD IS CURRENTLY ABSENT. MEMBER FURIA. YOU SAID IT RIGHT, YES, ANYHOW. LOGITECH: MEMBER HILTON. PRESENT. LOGITECH: VICE CHAIR MAHMOOD IS CURRENTLY ABSENT. LOGITECH: MEMBER PRICE, CURRENTLY ABSENT. CHAIRPERSON RICCATELLO. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): WHAT'S STAN? STAN AND, MARCIA? LOGITECH: THE PLEASURE OF WEARING GLOVES. LOGITECH: PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. LOGITECH: OKAY, SO ITEM 4, ASSISTANCE. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): IS ADDRESSING THE COMMITTEE? LOGITECH: I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO… SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): ON SUBJECT MATTERS THAT WE HAVE JURISDICTION OVER, WHICH IS VERY FEW. LOGITECH: ANYONE ON ZOOM? LOGITECH: NO ONE ON ZOOM WITH THEIR HANDS RAISED. OH, THAT TAKES CARE OF ITEM 4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES, WE'LL HOLD OFF ON THAT. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): WE'LL QUORUM IN A FEW MINUTES, AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO STAFF UPDATES, STARTING WITH ROMMEL ON THE SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): ESPECIALLY YOUTH DISTRICT A. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): GOOD MORNING, I'M MEL PAVALINAS, TURNING THE NOSE HERE. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): OF A BRIEF POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, THIS OVERVIEW OF THIS DAY FOR SPURS USE DISTRICT AREA A. I'M SURE, SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): NITA, OR SEAN. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): I SHARED WITH THIS BEFORE. THIS IS, IT'S A BRAND NEW, PLAN THAT WE'RE, THAT THE CITY IS LOOKING INTO INITIATING. DIFFERENT FROM THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEING IN VILLAGE VILLAGE 1, VILLAGE 5, VILLAGE 7. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): 7B, WHICH I'LL COVER AS WELL, BUT THIS WILL BE THE WAY WE'RE PLANNING IT RIGHT NOW, IS TO BE A CITY-LED, CITY-INITIATED EFFORT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND THEN THAT HAS A LOT OF BENEFITS TO IT, BECAUSE WE HAVE CONTROL OF THE PLAN, OVERALL PLAN, AS OPPOSED TO A DEVELOPER BEING UNDER CONTROL OF THAT PLAN, SO… SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO, I'LL DO AN OVERVIEW, AS IT RELATES TO THE GENERAL PLAN, GO INTO THE SITE A DETAILS, KIND OF THE INITIAL STEPS OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO CREATE A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR SITE A, AND THE NEXT STEPS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO, THE GENESIS OF THESE BRIDGES THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS FROM THE 2008, ADOPTED GENERAL PLAN. THAT WAS ALMOST 18 YEARS AGO. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO, IN WHICH IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE LOAN-ISH PLAN. IT'S A… THE ZRA PLAN IS BASICALLY THE CITY, CONSTITUTION, YOU COULD SAY, IN TERMS OF LAND USES, FOR THE PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF, OF, OF THE CITY. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, AS SHOWN HERE, CONTAINS MANY ELEMENTS. IT'S ABOUT 200 PAGES LONG, CONTAINS GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES THAT, THAT THE CITY ARE REQUIRED TO, TO, TO FRAME THEIR DECISIONS ON, AS FAR AS THE BOND. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SECTIONS OF THE DRAW PLAN INCLUDES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION, AND OPEN SPACE, AMONG OTHERS. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): ALONG WITH A SPECIFIC DOCUMENT IS, THE MAPPING. SO THIS IS THE MAP THAT'S, THAT'S ONLINE, THAT WAS ADOPTED FOR THIS, FOR THIS GENERAL PLAN. I'M FOCUSED ON SUN A, BECAUSE THIS IS THE TOPIC OF THIS DISCUSSION. IT'S THIS PINK SALMON COLOR AREA RIGHT THERE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND THEN, THE GENERAL PLAN, OF COURSE, HAS, MANY LAND USES DESIGNATED BY DIFFERENT COLORS. YOU HAVE THE AIRPORT RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE, CITY AIRPORT, AND THE YACHT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): CID IS SOMEWHERE AROUND THEM. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO, CIRCULATION ALSO IS SHOWN HERE, BUT MOST PROMINENTLY, WHAT'S SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): WHAT THIS MAP IS FOR IS TO SHOW THE VILLAGES THAT WERE ADOPTED AS PART OF THIS OHR PLAN, AND THIS IS CURRENTLY THE SPUR INFLUENCE, AS WELL AS THE CITY BOUNDARY. SPUR INFLUENCE OF THE CITY EXTENDS OUT SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): TO HERE, BASICALLY, AS FAR AS THESE LINES GO. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND DURING THE, THE 08 GENERAL PLAN, THE CONTEMPLATED AMOUNT OF BUILD-OUT IS ABOUT 125,000 PEOPLE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND WITHIN THOSE, THE PREDOMINANT OF THE… THE PREDOMINANT OF THE, OF THE GROWTH IS, CONTAINED WITHIN 10 VILLAGES. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO, 7 GORGES, BUT THEN ALSO 3 SUN AREAS, AND… AND THERE'S… IT GOES FROM VILLAGE 1 THROUGH 7. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND THEN SUN A, SON B, AND SUN C. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO HERE ARE THE BULGES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ADOPTED, AND AS WELL AS THE ONES THAT ARE NOT YET ADOPTED. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): VILLAGE 1, OF COURSE, IS RIGHT ALONG, WOULD BE IN PARK DRIVE 193. THERE'S DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THERE. YOU HAVE, TURKEY CREEK, ESPLANADE, AND TO THE SOUTH, YOU HAVE CENTURY HOMES, HIDDEN HILLS. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): YOU HAVE, CID B IS ONE OF THE SPECIAL USE DISTRICTS, THAT YOU HAVE LESS DEVELOPMENT ALONG NELSON LANE, AND OBVIOUSLY 5. OOPS. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND, THERE'S DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THERE WITH PULTE HOMES, BUILDING THEIR HOMES ALONG 65 THERE, WITHIN SUB B. AND RECENTLY, THERE WAS AN APPROVED, 245,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL AT THE CORNER OF 65 AND NELSON LANE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): YEAH, VILLAGE 7. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): THAT'S FOR, OWNED BY, PLANNED BY, LEWIS COMMUNITIES. YOU HAVE, WHAT DO WE HAVE? MERITAGE HOMES, WE HAVE DEANNA FORTIN. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): WE HAVE THE NEW, CLUBHOUSE THERE, SO THAT'S ONGOING RIGHT NOW. LUNCH 7, FOR THAT TWO METHODS, CONTEMPLATES 3,200 FLOWING UNITS, ABOUT 4.9 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AREA. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): VILLAGE 1 IS ABOUT 5,000 DWELLING UNITS. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND ABOUT, ALMOST OVER 150 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): YOU KNOW, VOLAGE 5, WHICH WAS RECENTLY, ADOPTED, AND PART OF IT WAS VINAMICS. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): IT'S ABOUT 8,200, DWELLING UNITS AND ABOUT ALMOST 5 MILLION SQUARE FEET COMMERCIAL. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND CED B, OVER HERE, IS ABOUT 429 DWELLING UNITS, AND ABOUT ALMOST 100 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): PROJECTED AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE ALREADY HAPPENING NOW, AS YOU CAN TELL. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): BUT THERE ARE OTHER VILLAGES IN THE CITY, WITHIN SECURITY MOVEMENTS THAT ARE NOT YET ADOPTED. SUNSEA. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SOUTH OF FIDAMENT. VERGE 6 OVER HERE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): JUST WEST OF SUNSEA, MUDGE 4, EVEN FURTHER OUT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SUN A, WE'LL DISCUSS HERE IN A FEW MINUTES, HAS NOT YET ADOPTED. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): BUDGE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): VILLAGE 3 IS OVER HERE, COVERED BY THIS THING. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): BOOP. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): IT'S COVERED BY MY, MY, MY CALL-OUT. VILLAGE 3 IS RIGHT HERE, ALSO NOT ADOPTED, OR NOT PLANNED OUT. VOYAGE 2 AS WELL, NOT PLANNED OUT AS WELL. SO WE HAVE AT LEAST, 6 MORE VILLAGES THAT ARE DONE AND BEEN, PLANNED FOR ANYTHING. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND VOYAGE 1, VOYAGE 5, VOYAGE 7, AND SAGI ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE… THAT HAVEN'T ADOPTED A SPECIFIC MAN. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO WE HAVE MANY HOMES TO COME WITHIN THE CURRENT ADOPTED PLANS, BUT MANY MORE DOWN THE ROAD. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): WHICH LINE SHOWS THE CITY LIMITS? SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): IT'S… IT'S A DARK HASH. IT'S A DARK HASHTAG CURRENCY. SUNDAY IS NOT IN THE CITY. I GUESS. I GUESS. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO, GOING INTO SUNDAY, SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): JUST FOR CONTEXT, 65 IS… RUNS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. THIS IS WHERE THE BEND IS, RIGHT HERE, AND THEN IT GOES STRAIGHT UP TO WHEELAND AND BEYOND. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AIRPORT IS RIGHT HERE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): THE ACTUAL LAND, IT HOVERS ON BOTH SIDES OF 65, AND IT WRAPS AROUND TO SHERIDAN, LINCOLN BOULEVARD, TO THE EAST. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND THESE ARE ALL ON THE COUNTY LANDS AT THE MOMENT, AND… BUT THERE'S ABOUT 2,000 ACRES IN SIZE, 40 DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND… AND AS I SAID, IT'S WITHIN THE PASH COUNTY, JURISDICTION, BUT WITHIN OUR CITY OF, LINCOLN'S SPHERE OF INFLUENCE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): IN THE JOURNAL PLAN, WE HAVE THESE ENTRIES THAT REFERENCES WHAT SADA IS CONTEMPLATED. IT'S SUPPOSED TO PROTECT, LINCOLN REGIONAL AIRPORT AND PROVIDE FOR IDENTIFIED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): BY LIMITING LAND USES IN THE AREA THAT'S ENCUMBERED BY THE AIRPORT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND IT'S ALSO ENVISIONED TO PROVIDE SOME ECONOMICALLY STABLE COMMUNITIES IN THAT AREA. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): IT'S ALSO, IN ADDITION TO HAVE COMMERCIAL AREA FOR ACTIVITIES, SO REQUIRE A LARGE AREA FOR FACILITIES OPERATIONS. AND WE HAVE THESE AIRPORTS RIGHT THERE, AND THERE'S SOME LIMITATIONS BY THE AIRPORT, GIVEN SAFETY ZONES AND NOISE ZONES, SO INHERENTLY, THERE WILL BE SOME LIMITATIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE, BUT… SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AT LEAST IN THE SADE A, IT'S IDENTIFIED FOR AUTOMOBILE, TRUCK SALES. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): BUT NOT LIMITED TO, OF COURSE, ANYTHING THAT SUPPORTS, PRIMARILY THE AIRPORT AS WELL, BUT ALSO PROVIDES SOME, SOME, SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INTO THE CITY. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): ANOTHER ENTRY IN THE GENERAL PLAN, AS I SAID, THESE ARE SOME OF THE POINTS OF WHAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN PLANNING OUT STUDY, INCLUDING MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T, CONFLICT WITH THE LANGUAGE PLAN. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AS WELL AS, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE INTERCHANGES ALONG 65, WEISS ROAD IS RIGHT HERE, NICHOLAS ROAD IS RIGHT THERE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR WHICH THE CITY CAN, PLAN, THIS, THIS SUNDAY, SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, OF OPPORTUNITIES COMMERCIALLY, AS WELL AS, PROVIDING SUPPORT TO THE AIRPORT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): IT'LL BE A… SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ADOPTED PLANS. IT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIFIC PLAN. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): SO, TO IMPLEMENT THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE GENERAL PLAN. IT'S ALSO WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC PLAN. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND, IN FOCUS, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PART OF THIS IS THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ITS OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF, THIS TIMELESS AREA ALONG HIGHWAY 65, AS WELL AS SUPPORTING THE AIRPORT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): WE HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN MIND THERE RIGHT NOW. I'VE ALREADY BEEN IN TOUCH WITH AT LEAST 3 OF THEM. ONE OF THEM, I THINK, STANDS OUT. THEY WILL BE DOING, LAND PLANNING, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, CEQA, FISCAL ANALYSIS, INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): WE HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH MANY PROPERTY OWNERS. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): WITHIN THE AREA, AS WELL AS AFFECTED AGENCIES, PLACER COUNTY, THE AIRPORT, CALTRANS, SO THOSE… SO THE HANDFUL OF AGENCIES WILL BE… WILL BE INVOLVED IN PLANNING OUT THIS AREA. FUNDING WOULD BE, OF COURSE, WOULD BE COMING FROM THE CITY, SINCE THIS WILL BE A CITY EFFORT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): IF THERE'S ANY GRANTS OUT THERE, WE'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHATEVER GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): BUT IT'LL BE A LONG-TERM EFFORT. WE WANT THIS TO BE A SUCCESSFUL, PROJECT, BECAUSE WE WILL TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE PLANNING, AND THE PLAN IS JUST, FROM SOUP TO NUTS, IS WHAT WE'LL BE THE LEAD IN DOING THIS. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): AND AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER DEVELOPERS WHO CAN DO IT. OF COURSE, ANY OPPORTUNITIES WHO WOULD BE AVAILABLE AS WELL, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PARTNER WITH THEM, BUT AT THE MOMENT, THE PLAN IS FOR US TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS PROJECT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE FOR NOW, UNLESS NITA OR SHAH WANTS TO ADD ANY MORE ON… ONTO THIS. WELL, JUST TO KIND OF PROVIDE A LITTLE CONTEXT, MEL, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE, ALL VILLAGES SLIDE? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO… LOGITECH: IF YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT STARTS WITH V, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): ALL OF THOSE LITTLE PLAN AREAS ARE REALLY BUILT TO BE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE UNDER THE GENERAL PLAN, WITH, LIKE, SOME AREAS, LIKE VILLAGE 5 HAVE, LIKE, BIG COMMERCIAL SECTIONS, BUT THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH PLACES TO LIVE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND SO, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE BROADLY, AND I KNOW, LIKE, ONE THING I'VE LEARNED BEING PART OF THIS GROUP IS THAT EVERYBODY SORT OF DEFINES THAT TERM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, DEPENDING ON YOUR FRAME OF REFERENCE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BUT, LIKE, MORE CLASSICALLY, WHAT IT MEANS IS SORT OF JOB-PRODUCING WORK, AND IT OCCURRED TO US THAT WE HAD SPENT ALL THIS TIME ON THESE 84 ACRES, CID S, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): NOT HAND OUT AS MUCH AS WE THOUGHT IT WILL, EVENTUALLY WILL. AND I GOT TO THINKING ONE DAY THAT THIS IS SILLY. 84 ACRES REALLY ISN'T VERY MUCH LAND, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE KIND OF BUILT AROUND IT, AND A MUCH LARGER VIEW OF SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHERE WE WANT TO GROW FROM A JOB PRODUCER. SO WHEN WE STARTED TO TALK TO THEM ALL, WE STARTED KIND OF LOOKING AT SUD A, AS YOU SEE, KIND OF WRAPS AROUND THE AIRPORT. AND, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE GET TONS OF ANNEXATION INTEREST FROM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS, LIKE, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM HERE. THAT STORE IS ALWAYS OPEN AND BUSY. BUT WE DON'T HAVE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT, SEE A MASTER-PLANNED, YOU KNOW, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR KIND OF JOB-PRODUCING AREA WHERE WE CAN REALLY PLAN FOR FUTURE SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): GROWTH, AND HAVING THAT PLAN STRADDLE HIGHWAY 65 ON BOTH SIDES MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BECAUSE SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THERE'S… IT'S AN ACCURATE HIGHWAY THERE, AND SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXITS AND ENTRANCES. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IT ALSO GETS WISE ROAD INTO THE CITY LIMITS, WHICH IS KIND OF A STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE FOR US, TO REROUTE TRUCK TRAFFIC AT SOME POINT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IN A BETTER WAY. AND THEN, AS MEL SAID, WHAT WE REALLY LIKE ABOUT THE IDEA IS, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN FUND IT, BUT IF WE… WE, THE CITY, SLASH EDC, BEING PRETTY INVOLVED IN THIS, WE THINK. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): TO PLAN AND DESIGN WHAT WE THINK WOULD SELL IN TERMS OF NEW BUSINESS COMING TO LINCOLN. WE CAN DEFINE EXACTLY HOW THAT PLAN AREA LOOKS, HOW IT WORKS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE'VE ALREADY HAD A COUPLE OF LITTLE PRELIMINARY MEETINGS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE IN SUD A THAT ARE INTERESTED. AND IT'S… SO, LIKE, TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT'S SO DIFFERENT, LIKE, IN VILLAGE 5, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH COMPLETELY RUN BY ESSENTIALLY ONE REALLY LARGE SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): COMPANY THAT PAID ALL OF THE MONEY TO GET IT INTO CITY LIMITS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND SO THERE IS SOME DEFERENCE THAT THEY RECEIVE AS A RESULT OF THAT. THEY ARE ABLE TO KIND OF TAKE A LEAD ON HOW THINGS LOOK IN THE PLAN AREA ON SOME LEVEL. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHICH IS FINE. THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THIS GROUP COULD DECIDE AND SAY OF, LIKE, WHAT MAKES SENSE HERE? WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE? IS HOUSING A COMPONENT AT ALL IN THIS PLAN AREA? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): HOW CAN WE START TO COLLECT FEES SO WE CAN KIND OF PUT EVERYTHING IN PLACE FOR NEW BUSINESS TO RELOCATE HERE? WHAT ADVANTAGES DO WE HAVE? COULD BE A REAL SALES DOCUMENT, AND WE GO FROM HAVING A MEASLY 84 ACRES SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): PLUS MAYBE ANOTHER 50 ON TOP OF THAT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): ALL OF WHICH HAVE NO INFRASTRUCTURE TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE ACREAGE FOR CID A IS? 2000? 2000? TO, YOU KNOW… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): TRIPLING OUR, YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE PORTFOLIO, SO TO SPEAK, FOR BUSINESS GROWTH, WHICH IS SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IF YOU LOOK AT LINCOLN'S PLAN COMPARED TO, LIKE, MOST OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN PRODUCING JOBS, THEY DON'T JUST BUILD RESIDENTIAL. THEY SAY, OKAY, WELL, RESIDENTIAL GOES HERE, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT ALL OUR BUSINESSES AND JOB GROWTH HERE, AND WE JUST NEVER REALLY GOT TO THAT PLACE. SO WE'RE SUPER EXCITED. THIS, TO ME, IS… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE KIND OF TRANSFORMATIONAL IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. YOU MAY NOT SEE IT, YOU KNOW, DURING HARD TIMES HERE, BUT… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): VERY COOL IDEA. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF… MEL, IS THERE ANYTHING I'M MISSING? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): OH, AND ONE OTHER THING, JUST ON THE FINANCIAL PART. THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE PROCESS, AND SO… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE… WE WANT TO FUND IT INTERNALLY, BUT THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT BACK IS… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THAT WE'LL DO ALL THE WORK TO GET PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN ANNEX IN AND DO THEIR PROJECTS, BUT WHEN THEY DO THEIR PROJECTS, WE'LL ATTACH A FEE TO THEIR PROJECT THAT PAYS BACK A LITTLE PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF WHATEVER WE SPENT ON THE PLAN, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'VE GOT TO COME OUT MANDATORY. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO, ANYWAY, THAT'S THE CONCEPT, THAT'S THE PITCH. IT DIDN'T… IT DID JUST BARELY SQUEAK ITS WAY ONTO THE COUNCIL STRATEGIC PLAN, SO, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IT'S… IT'S IN THE WORKFLOW NOW. WHAT… WHAT RESISTANCE DO YOU THINK THERE MIGHT BE FOR 40 PROPERTY OWNERS? THERE MIGHT BE SOME, LIKE, SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY YOU SEE IS, IF YOU LOOK AT, LIKE, THE PARTIAL VIEW OF SUT A, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ABOUT 70% OF IT ARE LARGE LANDOWNERS. LIKE, IF YOU'RE DRIVING NICHOLAS AND YOU SEE THOSE HUGE, LIKE, WALNUT ORCHARDS, THOSE ARE THE BIG LANDOWNERS. WE'VE MET WITH A FEW OF THEM, THEY'RE SUPER INTERESTED. THE ONES THAT I THINK MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SKEPTICAL, ALL YEAR AWESOME, ARE THE ONES… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THAT SIT ALONG… SMALLER ONES. SMALLER ONES, YEAH. AND THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT HAVE LITTLE RANCHETTES, AND WE PROBABLY APPROACH IT THE SAME WAY WE DID PORTIONS OF VILLAGE 5, WHERE… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAS TO CHANGE FOR YOU ON YOUR PROPERTY. YOU CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE OUT YOUR… AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LONG-TERM THING ANYWAY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE OVERNIGHT. BUT OVER TIME, USUALLY WHEN A PROPERTY OWNER REALLY LOOKS AT THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY AFTER SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): OPTIONS, THEN. THEY COULD SELL IT FOR FAR MORE THAN IT WAS PROBABLY WORTH JUST AS A RANCHETTE, IF THEY WANT, OR NOT. SO IT COULD CONTINUE TO BE DEVELOPED FOR THEM, SO… I DON'T KNOW. YEP. WELL, THAT HELPS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SOME FOLKS AREN'T GONNA LIKE THAT EITHER, TO BE CLEAR. LIKE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LIKE THE IDEA OF A CHANGE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF DEVELOPMENT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BUT IF YOU TALK TO THE MAJOR LANDOWNERS THAT ARE AROUND THERE, SOME OF THEM LIVE ON THOSE PARCELS, THEIR PERSPECTIVE IS, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE SPOKE TO A GENTLEMAN THAT OWNS THE REALLY LARGE PARCEL ON THE SOUTHERN, SOUTHWESTERN PORTION THERE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND, HE SAID, LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MAKE MONEY, REALLY. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): FARMING IN PLACER COUNTY WITH LESS THAN SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): LIKE, A LOT OF ACRES, YOU KNOW, 500 OR 1,000 ACRES. YEAH, HUNDREDS OF ACRES. AND SO, HE'S LIKE, HE'S BASICALLY SAID, LOOK, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT I CAN TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THIS LAND, BUT AT SOME POINT, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, CASH OUT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO, AND THE SAME KIND OF APPLIES TO EVERYONE, BECAUSE WHAT PROBABLY ENDS UP HAPPENING, IF THERE'S A REALLY BIG COMPANY THAT WANTS TO COME IN, THEY'LL GO BUY UP EVERY LITTLE PIECE AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE SWEETHEART DEALS TO PEOPLE. BUT PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS WILL BE ALSO TO KIND OF TRY TO RESPECT SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THE FOLKS THAT PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING FOR A WHILE. WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT IN VILLAGE 5, TOO. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THOSE LITTLE ISLAND SECTIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR GENERAL PLAN THERE. THOSE… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): OR INTENTIONAL CUTOUTS, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE FOLKS DIDN'T WANT IN, AND SO WE SAID, OKAY. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): DON'T COME IN THEN. AND NOW, WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THEM COME IN. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO… SO YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING HUGE. I MEAN, WE WENT FROM 8 BIKERS TO OVER 2,000 RIGHT ALONG THE. SPEAKER 4 (LOGITECH): 65 CORRIDOR. THIS IS A HUGE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IT ALSO, IT ALMOST SERIOUSLY ANNOYS ME WHEN I… WHEN WE REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH THIS, AND, LIKE, I WAS… IT WAS ONE OF THOSE, LIKE, WHY HAVE WE BEEN SPENDING ALL THIS TIME ON SMALL THINGS WHEN WE HAVE THIS BIG THING OUT HERE? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO, ARE WE WITHDRAWING THE MARKETING OF THE 84 ACRES? NO, NO, NO, NO, WE'VE CONTINUED FORWARD ON THAT. WE'VE, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE SIDE UPDATE ON THAT, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHAT WE KIND OF LEARNED IS THAT THE, LOGITECH: GEOMETRY OF THAT PARCEL IS ODD. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND AS SUCH, IT MAKES… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IT DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE IT ALL DOWN AT ONCE, LIKE, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME WETLANDS IN THERE THAT MAKE IT TONS, AND SO IT'S JUST NOT GREAT IN TERMS OF, LIKE, SOMEONE GET IT ALL AND GO DO SOMETHING BIG, AND SO WE'VE KIND OF RETREATED FROM THAT, AND THE CITY, YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO, DID THIS LITTLE SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): MOCK PARCEL MAP WHERE THEY SPLIT… THEY BASICALLY TOOK THE NORTHERN HALF AND SAID, JUST SET THAT ASIDE FOR NOW, LET'S NOT WORRY ABOUT THAT. LET'S JUST DO THE SOUTHERN HALF, AND LET'S SPLIT IT INTO ONE-ACRE, ONE AND A HALF ACRE PARCELS, AND… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): PEOPLE CAN BUILD SMALLER-SCALE BUSINESS LOCATIONS, AND THAT ACTUALLY SEEMS TO HAVE SOME LEGS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU FIGURE… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH, DEPENDS ON WHERE, BUT RAW LAND, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $100,000 AND $200,000 AN ACRE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THAT'S A PRETTY LOW ENTRY POINT FOR SOMEONE THAT MIGHT WANT TO COME IN. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YOU COULD BUILD SOMETHING FOR $5 MILLION ON THAT, VERSUS AN 84 ACRE IS PROBABLY GOING TO COST YOU SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): 100, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, I THINK WE KEEP PLUGGING AWAY AT THAT, AND IT'S ACTUALLY STARTING TO REALLY MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE THAT IT'D BE AIRPORT-RELATED STUFF. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): LIKE, THAT STARTS TO INCREASE QUITE A BIT. BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE US THE… LIKE, WHEN AARON GETS PINGS FROM GSEC OR OTHER SITE SELECTORS, THEY'RE ASKED, LIKE, THESE BROAD QUESTIONS, LIKE, DO YOU HAVE 100 ACRES SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WITH BLAH BLAH. AND WE HAVE TO SAY, WELL, NO, BUT WE DO HAVE BABYFORER, WITHOUT ANY OF THOSE OTHER THINGS, SO WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE PORTFOLIO OFFERED. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BUT WE WOULDN'T. THAT'S… SO… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHEN YOU SAY AIRPORT-RELATED, I MEAN, THIS IS A LOT OF ACREAGE, RIGHT? SPEAKER 4 (LOGITECH): AND RIGHT ALONG THE 65, WE'RE STILL BLEEDING TAX MONEY TO LOCAL CITIES, LIKE… SPEAKER 4 (LOGITECH): WHAT WOULD WE PUT IN BESIDES JOB-PRODUCING, AIRPORT-RELATED THINGS THAT WOULD BRING SOME ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE TO OUR CITY? WELL, ACTUALLY… WHAT ARE WE THINKING? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): I'M GONNA ANSWER THAT TWO WAYS. AFTER THIS ITEM, I'M GONNA… I THINK IT IS, RIGHT? YEP, YEP. YEAH. AFTER THIS ITEM, I'M GONNA TELL YOU ABOUT OUR REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX PROJECT, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. BUT… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT. SHOULD IT BE ALL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): INDUSTRIAL KIND OF WAR. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): STUFF, OR SHOULD YOU CLUSTER SOME COMMERCIAL STUFF ALONG THE SIDE CORRIDOR SO THAT PEOPLE CAN KIND OF GET OUT? I MEAN, MAYBE THERE'S A COUPLE SHOPPING CENTERS UP THERE, AND ALL THE… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): OFFICES AND JOB-PRODUCING STUFF BEHIND IT. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S SORT OF… WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME TO THE COMMITTEE QUITE A BIT HERE, AND SORT OF… WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT, SORT OF. WE'RE GONNA PULL A BUNCH OF OTHER SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): KIND OF INDUSTRIAL-SPECIFIC PLANTS FROM OTHER AREAS AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD COPY SOME IDEAS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IT'S… IT'S AN ODD ANNEX SHAPE, AND I… FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER THAN SUD A. ALL OF THE TERMS IN OUR GENERAL PLAN ARE THE MOST RIDICULOUS, SANITIZED GOVERNMENT SPEECH. LIKE… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHAT… WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHAT IS CED A OR SED B, I HAVE TO SAY, OH, IT'S SPECIAL USE DISTRICT A. AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I DON'T KNOW. SPEAKER 4 (LOGITECH): IT MEANS LINCOLN'S HIDDEN, MISSING, GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S OUR FIRST SPECIAL USE OF THE WEEK. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): EXCUSE ME, AMAZON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TO SUD A? SO I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF SLICK MATERIALS THAT REALLY ATTRACT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COME UP WITH A CATCHY TAGLINE NAME FOR WHAT THE PLAN AREA IS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THAT'S… HOPEFULLY NOT SOMETHING BORING, LIKE THE LINCOLN INDUSTRIAL. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): COMPLEX OR SOMETHING. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WE EITHER… MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT YOU EITHER KIND OF START DOING THIS NOW, OR YOU LANGUISH FOREVER. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): FOR ME. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IS THE PLAN TO DO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING? STREETS, AND… YEP. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): DO YOU HAVE TO GO… WHAT LEVEL. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE HAVE TO GO IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ANNEX THIS? WE GOTTA GO AT LEAST TO THE LEVEL OF HAVING A PROGRAMMATIC EIR, SO NOT PROJECT-SPECIFIC, BUT AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT COVERS EVERYTHING. THAT'S THE BIG LIFT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE'LL DO AN INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING PLAN, WE'LL DO LAYOUTS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE'LL DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY AND LINCOLN AND OUT THERE KIND OF MEETINGS WHERE WE GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM FOLKS ABOUT WHAT IT IS THEY WANT. WE'LL NEED TO DO… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT KIND OF MITIGATIONS EXIST OUT THERE. I'M GONNA GUESS THAT THESE AREAS THAT ARE ALONG, THE RAVINE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE ARE GONNA BE VERY UNDEVELOPABLE FOR THE MOST PART. SO, LIKE, WE PROBABLY, IN THE PLANT AREA, YOU PROBABLY LOSE… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WAIT, SAY, WHAT, PROBABLY ANOTHER 100 FEET OR SO PAST THE RAVINE, WHERE IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE VERY TOUCHABLE. AND THEN THERE'S OTHER DESIGN THINGS, LIKE, THAT THE PLANNERS WOULD CARE ABOUT, LIKE, HOW DO WE MAKE IT LOOK NICE SO IT DOESN'T FEEL… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): LIKE, DAVE, WHAT'S THAT CITY IN LA THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY INDUSTRIAL? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): OH, INDUSTRY. INDUSTRY, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SEPARATE STUDIO. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YEAH, THERE'S, LIKE, TWO PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE BOTH ON THE CITY COUNCIL EVERY YEAR. AND THEN THERE'S… THERE'S OTHER ADVANTAGES, TOO, WHICH MEL KIND OF TOUCHED ON, IS IF WE COULD GET Y'S… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THAT ALLOWS US EVENTUALLY TO LOOK AT SERIOUS BYPASS OPTIONS NORTH OF TOWN. WE CAN DO SOME OF THOSE, AT SOME POINT, SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO WISE AND LINCOLN BOULEVARD TO ADDRESS TRUCK TRAFFIC. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YOU… THE OTHER THING THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW JOANNE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT A LOT, IS IF YOU COULD… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IF MOST OF YOUR INDUSTRY IS HERE, ASIDE FROM SPI, THESE FOLKS NEVER GET OFF IN LINCOLN. THEY JUST GET OFF UP HERE, AND THEY GET RIGHT BACK ON THE HIGHWAY. SO… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THERE'S JUST A LOT OF INTERESTING… AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PART THAT'S KIND OF COOL IS IT CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO THE BOUNDARIES OF THE AIRPORT, AND AT SOME POINT, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE AIRPORT DEVELOP ON THIS SIDE, WITH KIND OF, LIKE, COMMERCIAL SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): DEAD CENTER KIND OF THING. SO, ARE YOU GOING TO GO AS FAR AS RECORDING MAPS? SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): STRENGTHS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THERE'S LOTS OF. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): IT'S PERFECT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE'LL PRESCRIBE WHAT THEY SHOULD LOOK LIKE, AND THEN PEOPLE CAN PULL THEIR OWN TENTATIVE MAPS WHEN THEY'RE READY TO GO. I GUESS MY ONLY SUGGESTION IS. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): I WANT TO KEEP IT AS FLEXIBLE AS YOU CAN, BECAUSE… WE DO HAVE TO GET TO A CERTAIN POINT IN ORDER TO BUILD ANX, BECAUSE WE NEED TO SHIFT. RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. LOGITECH: IN GLASGOW THAT THEY'. SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): OR… SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): WE HAVE AN IDEA, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU ANNEX IN TO LAFCO, TYPICALLY THE DEVELOPER COMES WITH EVERYTHING, LIKE, HERE'S IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, THESE ARE THE HOUSES… SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): I WAS ASKING? SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): RIGHT. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): BUT WE ALSO… SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): WE ALSO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT GOING FORWARD TO LABCO FOR A RESIDENTIAL PARCEL, ACTUALLY IN ONE OF THE ISLANDS THAT… WHERE HE… HE DOESN'T HAVE IT ALL PLANNED OUT. I MEAN, HE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, LIKE, THE GENERAL ZONING. SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SONY NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE YOU ANNEX. BUT BESIDES THAT, HE DOESN'T HAVE, LIKE. SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): STREETS AND ALL THAT PLANNED OUT, SO… WE DO HAVE TO GET TO A CERTAIN POINT. I'M JUST SAYING. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): THAT ANY DEVELOPER THAT'S GOING TO COME IN IS GOING TO WANT TO… THEY MAY BE DRAWN TO IT BASED ON YOUR VISION, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN WAY OF DEVELOPING IT. YEAH. IF YOU HAVE RECORDED MAPS AND RECORDED EASEMENTS ALREADY RECORDED AGAINST THE PROPERTY, THEN YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND ADJUST ALL THAT STUFF. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): SO IF YOU CAN GO UP TO THAT POINT, BUT NOT ACTUALLY DO IT, PROBABLY BE BETTER FOR YOU IN TERMS OF ATTRACTING AN INVESTOR. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE'LL PROBABLY… YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE IN THE PLAN AREA IS INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): CONCEPTUALLY LAID OUT, AND THEY CAN EDIT THAT IF THEY LIKE. SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): YOU KNOW, WE DO AMENDMENTS TO PLANS. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): ANNEX. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): PROPERTY THAT'S JUST AGRICULTURALLY ZONED, FOR EXAMPLE. SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): AND HERE'S THE THING YOU NEED TO CONSIDER, THOUGH. WHEN YOU ANNEX IN AT A ZONING TYPE, YOU CANNOT REZONE FOR 2 YEARS. SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): SO, IF WE WANT TO… IF SOME OF THIS NEEDS TO BE ZONED COMMERCIAL OR REZONED IN ANOTHER MANNER, DO THAT BEFORE YOU ANNEX, BECAUSE ONCE YOU ANNEX, NO CHANGES IN ZONING FOR 2 YEARS. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS GOES BY PRETTY FAST, BUT YOU CAN SELL THE WHOLE THING INDUSTRIAL, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEN BRING IT IN INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH HOW YOU ALSO WENT OUT LATER, ONCE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN GOING TO INVEST THE… WE'RE TALKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS JUST THROUGH THE PLANNING. YES. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YEAH, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT, OTHER KINDS OF SIMILAR ONES IS TOO, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): KEEP THE PLAN, AS I SAID, SO FLEXIBLE AND BROAD, SO THAT YOU DON'T ICE ANYTHING OUT, AND THEN GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO, YOU KNOW, GENERAL DEVELOPABLE PLANS, WHICH IS OUR, KIND OF. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): TERM FOR PLANT DEVELOPMENT, SO THEY CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT SPECIAL JUST UNTO THEM IF THEY NEED TO. WE GOT A REALLY SPECIAL USER OF SOME KIND. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): WITH THE AIRPORT, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL EAST-WEST MAJOR ROADS THAT YOU PLAN TO GO TO, RIGHT? SO IT WOULD JUST BE MYES AND NICHOLAS, AND THEN THE 65. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): SO ALL THE OTHER STREETS WOULD BE INTERNAL? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE END UP GETTING PROBABLY A LOT OF, APPROVED CALTRANS EXITS OFF OF 65 IN THE MIDDLE THERE, BUT YOU CAN GET ONE OR TWO, I THINK, BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE. AND ANOTHER BIG QUESTION IS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT NICHOLAS AND 65, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AN OVERPASS, AN OLD OVERPASS? AND THAT WON'T BE GOOD ENOUGH. WELL, TURNER WILL HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AN EXIT THERE. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): IS CALFRESH PLANNING TO MAKE THAT A STANDARD? SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): FREEWAY WITH INTER… INTERCHANGES? IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE OUTGRADE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WELL, THE CLOSEST INTERCHANGE THEY'VE KIND OF CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED IS NELSON AND 65. NORTH OF THAT, NOTHING. WISE, MAYBE, BUT I DON'T SEE THEM ACTUALLY GOING ABOVE, LIKE, ABOVE GRADE 65, THOUGH. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): I HAVE A QUESTION. SPEAKER 4 (LOGITECH): I SHARED WITH SEAN, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS WITH ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I WAS DOING, LIKE, A DEEP DIVE, OVER A MONTH AGO ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT, LIKE, THE AIRPORT AS A… SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): AS AN INNOVATION TECH HUB, AND… SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): LIKE, HOLISTICALLY, WHAT THE REGIONAL ASSETS ARE AND WHAT SPARKED SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): MY DIVE THAT DAY WAS THE, THE… WHAT'S THE BATTERY, SOLAR BATTERY PART THAT JUST CAME? THE SODIUM ION COMPANY THAT JUST CAME TO, SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): WAS IT SACRAMENTO THAT YOU JUST ANNOUNCED? ANYWAY, IT'S LIKE ANOTHER REALLY BIG, MOVER AND SHAKER IN, IN ENERGY, AND I JUST STARTED THINKING ABOUT ALL THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE AROUND US, PLUS PLACER ONE WITH EDUCATION, AND… SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): JUST MENTALLY, AND THEN, SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): AND THEN, DIGITALLY, I'VE PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER THAT WE HAVE FOR… AS CLUSTERS, AND IT SORT OF JUST STARTED TO, LIKE, MANIFEST SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): AND MY MIND IS, LIKE, FOR THE TECH PART, HAVING DISTRICTS WHERE WE COULD, SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): WE COULD TAP INTO ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ASSETS, BUT THEN HAVE SOMETHING REALLY… SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): INNOVATIVE AND CAPTURE ALL OF THAT HERE. SO, IT'S COMPLEMENTARY, BUT IT'S NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, AS ALL THOSE REGIONAL ASSETS ARE AN ATTRACTION, ECONOMICALLY. SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): AND… AND THEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE OUR AIRPORT AS, LIKE, A CORE GEM TO BE OUR, OUR, SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): OUR ASSET. I SORT OF SAW IT AS, LIKE, DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AROUND IN OUR TECH PARK, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE, SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): FROM OUR CONVERSATION, IS IT… IS IT TOO SPECIFIC TO EVEN… THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING FOR THE PLANNERS TO DECIDE WHEN THEY START WORKING AND COMING UP WITH THEIR PLAN, BUT IS IT TOO SPECIFIC TO HAVE AN IDEA OF DISTRICTS? DOES THAT BOX THEM IN TOO MUCH, OR DOES THAT HELP THEM SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): ORGANIZE AND MARKET THIS. SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): SO THAT IT ENDS UP BEING THOUGHTFUL, AND IT DOESN'T END UP BEING… I WORRY IT'S GONNA END UP SOMEHOW BEING THIS, LIKE, PATCHWORK. SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): THINGS THAT DON'T FLOW, AND WE TALK ABOUT, LIKE, WALKABILITY, AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE WANT, LIKE, RESIDENTIAL, WE WANT IT TO LOOK PRETTY, BUT ALSO HAVE JOBS, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WORRY ABOUT, IS THAT SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): AND IT MIGHT JUST NOT BE A POSSIBILITY TO HAVE THIS BE REALLY ORGANIZED WHERE WE'VE GOT ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT, DISTRICTS, LIKE FLIGHT DISTRICT, ENERGY DISTRICT, AUTONOMOUS DISTRICT, PUBLIC SAFETY INNOVATION. SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): NATURAL RESOURCES, AIRPORT VILLAGE. SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): IF THAT CAN HAPPEN, OR IF WE JUST END UP GETTING THIS, LIKE, PATCHWORK THING AND WE JUST TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WELL, I MEAN, SO… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IN AN AREA THAT IS ALREADY SUPER SOUGHT AFTER, YOU HAVE SOME POWERS AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO SORT OF PRESCRIBE WHAT IT SHALL BE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS YOU WANT… THE GROUP HERE NEEDS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, LIKE, WHAT REASONABLY MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL ACREAGE, WHICH PORTION OF THAT IS FOR, LIKE, THE BIG-TIME REEL. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WINS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN YOU NEED OFFICE SPACE BEYOND THAT. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, YOU WANT A LITTLE BIT OF, LIKE, SERVICEABLE RETAIL IN THE AREA. DOES ANY RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL? I DON'T KNOW. PROBABLY NOT. JUST THE CONCEPT OF THIS KIND OF SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): LIKE, RESIDENTIAL INTERSPERSED WITH JOB-PRODUCING STUFF, WHICH HAS BEEN KIND OF COOL IN THE PLANNING WORLD, MAKES SENSE IN LINCOLN? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. PROBABLY MORE PESSIMISTIC ABOUT THAT THAN MOST, BUT… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO SHE SELLS. SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT SOME… SOME MIGHT BE BIOMEDICAL. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): OR IT MIGHT BE, AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTS. SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): AND BASICALLY, IF YOU NAME IT, THEY'LL COME. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): YEAH, INSTEAD OF… SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS OR HURTS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THEY'LL, LIKE, LOOK AT… BUT THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT PART OF THE STUDY WILL BE, IS, LIKE, WHAT… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): A SORT OF, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YOU KNOW, WE CAN SURVEY ALL OF THE NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE SITED IN OUR AREA AND NORTH OF US IN, YOU KNOW, THE LAST 20 YEARS, LET'S SAY, AND… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): OKAY, WELL, IF WE KNOW… AT ONE TIME, IF WE HAD DONE THIS 35 YEARS AGO, THE ANSWER WOULD HAVE BEEN PSEUDO-AG USES. HAULERS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YOU KNOW, THE PLACES THAT GET ALL OF THE NUTS AND DO ALL THAT STUFF, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN KIND OF LIKE… COLD STORAGE. YEAH, RIGHT, EXACTLY. NOW… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): PROBABLY NOT. I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA WANT PROBLEMS WITH SOME LOGISTIC COMPANIES THAT WANT TO BE IN THIS CORRIDOR, THERE'S GONNA… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT IN THAT YOU SHOULD PUT ON THERE WHAT YOU HOPE TO GET. AND THEN MAYBE THERE'S EVEN WAYS TO SORT OF PROVIDE A BONUS OF TYPES OF USES THAT YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN. THEY GET EXTRA GOODIES, KIND OF LIKE HOUSE PROPENSITY BONUSES. AUTUMN ALL. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): WELL, THAT'S COME UP, TOO. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): FINALLY, FINAL COMMENT WOULD BE, THINK A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE THE LINES THERE. WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING THE SUG A, ALSO THINK ABOUT WHAT ADJACENCY, ADJACENT AREAS MIGHT. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): BOOKCALL. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): TIED INTO THAT. THE AREA NORTH OF THE AIRPORT, IS THAT CITY PROPERTY? SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): THE SQUARE NORTH OF THE RENTALS. THIS RIGHT HERE? YEAH, THAT SQUARE THERE. IT'S CITY PROPERTIES. THAT'S CITY PROPERTY. SPEAKER 4 (LOGITECH): WE DON'T. SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): OWN IT. ARE YOU ASKING IF WE OWN IT? SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): WELL, THAT'S WHAT CITY PROPERTY MEANS TO ME, WHAT'S… I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ASKING. SPEAKER 6 (LOGITECH): IT ASSUMES THE LIMITS WERE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): NO, OH NO, OH NO. SPEAKER 4 (LOGITECH): WE'RE ON 25 ACRES NORTH OF THE AIRPORT. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): AND THEN IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONE. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): WHY? SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): THE REASON WHY THAT'S NOT INCLUDED? SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): THAT'S ALREADY IN THE CITY. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): REGRETT. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): BUT IN YOUR PLANNING, IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN YOUR… IT'S IN A PLAN AREA. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): THE TRIANGLE TO THE… TO THE RIGHT THERE? YEAH. RIGHT THERE. THAT AREA IN THERE. THAT VILLAGE. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): AND THEN… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND BUZZO OWNS A LOT OF THAT LAND ON THE NORTH. SPEAKER 4 (LOGITECH): IS THAT TRIANGLE NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS, OR IN THE CITY LIMITS? NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. I'M SORRY, WHAT? WHAT IS THAT? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO, IT'S 3. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): OKAY, COULDN'T HEAR THAT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YEAH, SO BUZZO OWNS MOST OF THAT THAT'S NORTH OF THE AIRPORT, AND THEY'VE KIND OF TOLD US, LOOK, WE REALLY LIKE BUILDING STUFF IN LINCOLN, BUT THERE'S NO ROADS, THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE, IT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE FOR US TO DO ANYTHING, SO WE'RE PROBABLY JUST GONNA HOLD IT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THIS PROBABLY MOVES PEOPLE ALONG A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW, YOU RUN WATER LINES ALONG ROAD-WISE. DO YOU OWN THAT STUFF ON THE NORTH? A LOT OF IT, NOT ALL OF IT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): NOT NORTH OF WHERE THEY ARE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IN PORT VILLAGE 3 IS, BUT… YEAH, YEAH, THE NORTH AIRPORT, IN THE SIOUX. YEAH, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO GET THERE. YEP. BECAUSE OUR ROAD THEN IS AT THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD, REALLY. RIGHT. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): OKAY, THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM 6… MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, 6B, THE RFPR AGAIN, SEAN. OH, YEAH. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): ALL THE SCORES. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SURE. DO ME A FAVOR AND JUST PULL UP THAT CITYWIDE MAP, I'M NOT AS ORGANIZED AS YOU ARE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): INTERLOSED. SO, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE'RE GONNA BRING SOME MORE DETAIL TO CHEW ON FOR YOU, AND TO GET SOME FEEDBACK, BUT, THIS IS DEFINITELY AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THING AS MUCH AS IT IS A… IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THING THAN IT IS A REC THING, BUT IN VILLAGE 5, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHEN IT WAS FIRST PUT TOGETHER, THERE WAS THIS IDEA ABOUT HOW LINCOLN DOESN'T HAVE A REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX, SO WE CAN'T REALLY ATTRACT… WE DO A LOT WITH THE FIELD OF SCOTT, BUT REALLY, IT'S PRIMARILY FOSS CID FOR, LIKE, TOURNAMENTS, AND IT'S… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): FOUR FIELDS IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE CLOSE TO ENOUGH, RIGHT? SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): BMX, HUH? YEAH, WE GOT THAT, SO THAT'S TURNING OUT PRETTY COOL. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO, IN VILLAGE 5, OH, SWEET. OKAY, SO IN VILLAGE 5… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHEN THEY DESIGNED THE PLAN, THEY THOUGHT, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS OUR CHANCE, WE'VE GOT, LIKE, A REALLY HUGE ANNEXATION COMING, AND… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WOULDN'T IT BE SUPER COOL IF WE USED THIS TO BUILD A REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX ALONG 65 AND REALLY GET THE KIND OF SPORTS TOURISM WE WANTED? AND THEN VILLAGE 5 TAKES A REALLY LONG TIME TO HAPPEN. LAWSUITS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): ENVIRONMENTAL, MORE LAWSUITS, LAFCO FAILS, LAFCO SUCCEEDS A SECOND TIME. NOW, MOST OF… A LOT OF IT IS IN, A LITTLE BIT ISN'T. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): 20 YEARS WAS. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): NOT. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): IT'S ABOUT 20. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YEAH, 20 AND COUNTLESS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND DURING THAT TIME, WHAT HAPPENS IS, INITIALLY, THEY HAVE THIS KIND OF… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THE MOU WITH THE SOCCER CLUB, TO… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): KIND OF BE THE KEYSTONE OF THE REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX. AND OVER TIME, THAT SORT OF JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE IT TAKES TOO LONG, AND THEY END UP FINDING OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND WHAT HAD HAPPENED INITIALLY WAS THE DEVELOPERS, ONCE THEY FINALLY GOT THIS ANNEXED IN, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR MOTIVATION IS, LOOK, WE JUST SPENT A TON OF MONEY TO GET THIS INTO CITY LIMITS, WE NEED TO AT LEAST GET ONE SUBDIVISION OUT OF THE GROUND SO WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE SOMETHING TO DO THE REST OF THE PROJECT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND SO REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX WAS NOT NECESSARILY, LIKE, A PRIORITY TO THEM AT THE MOMENT. AND OUR CONCERN WAS THAT WHAT HAPPENS OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME IN PLAN AREAS IS YOU GET SOLD ONE THING, AND ANOTHER THING HAPPENS, BECAUSE TIME PASSES, PEOPLE LEAVE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): DEVELOPERS WERE LIKE, GOSH, THIS IS A BIG PROJECT, IT'D JUST BE BETTER IF WE SPLIT IT UP INTO SMALL PARKS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE PLAN AREA AND DON'T REALLY DO THAT THING. AND THAT WAS SORT OF STARTING TO HAPPEN. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO, HE'S NOT HERE TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT YOU ALL KNOW ROGER UELTSIN. SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): HE IS ONLINE, HE'S JUST… HOW'S HE GOING? HE'S HAVING A LITTLE AUDIO WHERE HE CAN HEAR US, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE HE CAN COME. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): OH, OKAY. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WELL, WE'LL CHAT WITH HIM. SO HE… HE'S SORT OF OUR MAIN COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT HAS REALLY KIND OF ADVOCATED FOR MORE RECREATION AND SPORTS TOURISM, AND HAS DONE A TON OF HIS OWN RESEARCH, AND… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE WERE TALKING ONE DAY JUST ABOUT THAT, HEY, THIS… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? AND THE ANSWER WAS NOTHING, REALLY, RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT ENDS. AND SO THEN WE GOT TO THINKING KIND OF LIKE SIDE A, YOU KNOW, LEFT IN THE HANDS OF ANYONE ELSE, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS PLACE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS THINK ABOUT, PUSHING THE NEEDLE TO HAVE THEM ACCELERATED A LITTLE BIT. SO, A SMALL GROUP OF FOLKS HAVE MET A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW WITH US ABOUT SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THIS, LET ME GET INTO THE DETAILS FIRST. THIS IS ROUGHLY 70 ACRES. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): RIGHT ALONG 65, HERE IS NELSON, SO IT'S JUST UP FROM NELSON. RIGHT ALONG THE, THE, THE HIGHWAY, SUPER GOOD VISIBILITY, AND SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): 50-ISH ACRES OF IT WERE CONCEIVED TO BE SORT OF A PRIVATE, PRIVATELY DEVELOPED SPORTS COMPLEX, AND THEN 20 ACRES OF CITY PARK THAT KIND OF SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BELTS IN THERE. AND, SO… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THE IDEA WAS, HOW DO WE GET THIS ACCELERATED? WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DEVELOP IT OURSELVES, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THE DEVELOPER IS BUSY TRYING TO SORT OUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE CORE OF THEIR PROJECT GET OFF THE GROUND. THEY'RE INVESTING SOMEWHERE… THE FIRST PHASE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS, WHAT, SOMEWHERE IN THE $40 TO $50 MILLION RANGE FOR THEM TO JUST GET THE FIRST SUBDIVISION BUILT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUT IN SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): MAJOR WATER TRUNK LINES THAT RUN ALL THE WAY DOWN, SEWER LINES THAT RUN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR WASTEWATER PLANT, ROADS, I MEAN, IT'S ALL REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE, RIGHT? THAT'S SORT OF THEIR FOCUS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO THEN WE GOT TO THINKING, WELL, YOU KNOW, SPORTS TOURISM AND JUST YOUTH SPORTS IN GENERAL HAS BECOME THIS HUGE THING. AND THERE NOW ARE A BUNCH OF PRIVATE EQUITY COMPANIES THAT LITERALLY DO THIS. THEY DEVELOP ORIGINAL SPORTS COMPLEXES, AND THEY… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): ON THEM AS THEIR BUSINESS. AND THERE'S SO MUCH DEMAND FOR TOURNAMENT SPACE AND ALL THE LITTLE EXTRACURRICULARS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT, THAT IT'S NOW BECOME A REAL BUSINESS, AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF BILLIONAIRES THAT HAVE DECIDED TO SORT OF PIVOT INTO THIS SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BUSINESS. SO OUR IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE JUST NOW WORKING ON, AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH PBT QUITE A BIT ABOUT THIS. THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED AND EXCITED. I THINK WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY GET TO A PLACE WHERE THEY'RE SERIOUS CONTRIBUTORS TO THIS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THE QUESTION FOR THEM WAS, WHAT DO WE NEED HERE? LIKE, WHAT DO WE NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF? AND, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): ONE OF OUR SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS WILL HAVE, EITHER KIM SUMMERS OR DONNA COME AND TALK ABOUT THEIR PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THERE… THERE'S NOBODY IN THIS COUNTY THAT'S KIND OF A BIGGER EXPERT ABOUT WHAT THE MARKET IS OF SPORTS TOURISM AROUND HERE. AND THEY'RE PRETTY FLEXIBLE. GENERALLY, THEIR… THEIR FEELING AT THE MOMENT IS THAT SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): A LARGE, BASEBALL, SOFTBALL COMPLEX. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IS THE ABSOLUTE NUMBER ONE NEED IN TERMS OF DEMAND. THERE JUST ISN'T THOSE, ASIDE OF A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES HERE. AND THEN THEY ALSO SAID LONG FIELDS AS THEY RELATE TO, YOU KNOW, SOCCER AND OTHER SPORTS THAT PLAY ON LONG FIELDS ARE IMPORTANT, TOO. THEY… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO PULL TOGETHER A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS THAT WE COULD BRING AND TALK TO THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WOULD WE SEND OUT TO THE PRIVATE MARKETPLACE AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THIS LAND, IT'S OWNED FOR THIS USE, THE CITY'S SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF IT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN COMING INTO A PARTNER AND ACCELERATING THIS PROJECT? BECAUSE IF WE DO, AND WE GET SOMEBODY THAT'S INTERESTED, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS NOT ONLY DO WE GET THIS COOL THING THAT BRINGS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE A YEAR A YEAR, BUT HERE'S YOUR COMMERCIAL IN VILLAGE 5, THESE LITTLE SECTIONS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO NELSON. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU HAVE SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS GO, OH, WOW, SO YOU HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE VISITING THERE EVERY WEEKEND, AND THEY ALL GOTTA GO EAT, AND A LONG TIME AGO, I WORKED IN A CITY THAT WAS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A HUGE CITY, AND THE HUGE CITY BUILT SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): A LARGE SOCCER COMPLEX. THEY MADE A HUGE MISTAKE. THEY BUILT IT NOWHERE NEAR ANY COMMERCIAL. SO THE CLOSEST PLACE FOR THEM TO GO WAS OUR SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH WAS A NEAR HALF A MILE DRIVE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, OUR RED ROBINS AND ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS WERE JUST SLAMMED EVERY DAY, RIGHT? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING RIGHT NOW. SO, HOW WOULD IT WORK IN A SCENARIO WHERE IT'S KIND OF LIKE A PUBLIC-PRIVATE? SO, THE CITY MAY NOT OWN LARGE PORTIONS OF THIS, BUT… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IS GONNA SEE A HUGE, BEAUTIFUL PARK WITH ALL OF THIS COOL STUFF, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, WELL, WHY CAN'T I JUST GO PLAY WITH THAT WHENEVER I WANT? AND SO, THERE'S SOME MODELS OUT THERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, DURING WEEKDAYS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AFTER CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME, IT'S JUST OPEN TO EVERYBODY, BUT THE WEEKENDS ARE THEIR MONEY-MAKING TIME, AND SO THOSE ARE ROUGH BY RESERVATION ONLY, OR MAYBE THERE'S DEALS THEY CAN OFFER LOCAL SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): GROUPS TO GET IN FOR CHEAPER. MAYBE THE 20 ACRES THAT IS THE CITY'S IS A LITTLE BIT MORE… ANYBODY USES IT, EXCEPT FOR DURING TOURNAMENT TIME. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE QUESTIONS ABOUT, LIKE, HOW CAN WE STAND THIS UP BEFORE WE REALLY HAVE WATER AND SEWER HERE, SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WHETHER THERE'S TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BUT IT'S… THIS IS VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE TO SET A, WHICH IS THAT SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE I KIND OF FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T PUSH THE NEEDLE HERE A LITTLE BIT AND, LIKE, GET IT OUT, THEN IT PROBABLY DOESN'T HAPPEN NATURALLY. IT'S NOT… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IT'S A BIG INVESTMENT TO GET TO THE MONEY YOU MAKE, AND SO WE KIND OF WANT TO GO SEE IF THERE'S SOME OF THOSE LARGER COMPANIES. THERE'S A BUNCH IN TEXAS WE'VE FOUND THAT HAVE DEVELOPED THESE HUGE SPORTS COMPLEXES, AND THEY RUN THEM, AND SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FLY IN FROM ALL OVER TO GO TO THEIR TOURNAMENTS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND THE OTHER COOL THING… SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): HOW DID ROSEVILLE DO IT FOR THE, THE SOCCER COMPLEX THEY JUST DID IN WEST ROSEVILLE? I MEAN, THAT'S HUGE. YEAH, THEY… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO, THE CITY FUNDED A LOT OF THAT. PVT ACTUALLY JUMPED IN FOR NAMING RIGHTS. I THINK THEY PUT IN $7 MILLION FOR THAT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO, THAT WAS A… THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE, KIND OF VISIONS THAT TOOK A REALLY LONG TIME TO… A KEY COLLECTION TO GET TO. WE ARE KIND OF TRYING TO SHORTCUT THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT BY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD COLLECT FEES AND JUST HAVE CITY COUNCIL SAY, HEY, NO ONE TOUCHES THAT PROPERTY UNTIL WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DEVELOP IT, BUT, I MEAN… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THAT'S… WE WON'T BE HERE. I DON'T PUT IT THAT WAY. WELL, SOME OF YOU ARE… YOU'RE YOUNGER AT WAVES, YOU'LL BE HERE, BUT… SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): SEE, THAT'S STILL THE ANSWER PART. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE HAVE RIGHTS TO ONLY 20 OF THE 70. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): BUT YOU COULD ROUND THESE TO 20 FOR THE BUCK, RIGHT? SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH THE DOLLARS TO BUILD IT OUT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IN RICHLAND, THE MAJOR DEVELOPER IN VILLAGE 5 FOR THE LEAD, OWNS THE OTHER 50, AND WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM AND SORT OF SAID, HEY, WE'RE REALLY MOTIVATED TO SEE THIS HAPPEN, WE DON'T WANT YOU SPLITTING THIS PARK UP INTO LITTLE TINY CHUNKS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE PLAN AREA. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND THEY… I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE UPSET, BUT THEY WERE PRETTY, PRETTY COOL. THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, GOOD. YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T FIND A PARTNER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO, THAT'S THE GENERALIZED CONCEPT. IT'S VERY EARLY STAGES, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH DOCUMENT KIND OF REVIEW, AND ROGER, HAS KIND OF BEEN NICE ENOUGH TO COME A COUPLE TIMES AND MEET WITH OUR LITTLE SUBCOMMITTEE, TO… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): DO SOME RESEARCH. AND PBT, WE HOPE, IS GOING TO BE MAJOR BURGERS IN HELPING US KIND OF CHOOSE… SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): AT A HOTEL IN. WELL, THAT'S THE… YEAH. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S THE OTHER PAIN POINT. LIKE, YOU COULD IMAGINE IT'D BE DUMB FOR SOMEONE NOT TO JUST BUILD A HOTEL, RIGHT? SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): THAT'LL SEAL IT WITH PVT. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): AND THEN. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THAT'S THE OTHER THING, WHEN THEY COME, THEY CAN SHOW YOU AND SHARE WITH YOU. THEY HAVE SOME REALLY INTERESTING DATA ABOUT, WHO'S COMING FROM WHERE AND HOW LONG THEY'RE STAYING. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): YEAH, YOU GET THAT FROM NICK, YES. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): AND THEY EVEN GO. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): DO, LIKE, THESE LITTLE SURVEYS OF, LIKE, OTHER SPORTS COMPLEXES THAT AREN'T IN PLACER COUNTY, AND THEY ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT, LIKE, HEY, LIKE, WHY HERE? AND IF YOU STAY HERE, LIKE, WHERE DO YOU… WHERE DO YOU STAY, AND WHERE DO YOU… WHERE DO YOU GO? SO THEY KNOW… THEY KNOW WHAT THE NEED IS, AND… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT IF WE COULD GET THIS GOING NOW, WE'D LIMIT THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OTHER PLACE THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW OF AT THE MOMENT COMES UP WITH THE EXACT SAME IDEA. SO THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THIS SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): OF MISSED OPPORTUNITY THAT I SHARE A LOT IS, FOREVER AGO, DOWN IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY, I WAS, WORKING FOR A PLACE, AND, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): STORY GOES THAT THIS COMPANY THAT I'M SIMILAR TO THE ONE I'M EXPLAINING, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES PRIVATE EQUITY, KIND OF SPORTS COMPLEX, COMES AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO BUILD THIS THING CALLED FIELD OF DREAMS. AND IT'S GOING TO BE THIS BASEBALL COMPLEX THAT IS LIKE A COPY, IT'S LIKE, I THINK THERE'S 6 DIAMONDS? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND EACH ONE IS LIKE A RIP-OFF OF A FAMOUS PARK, LIKE FENWAY. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): MENTICATION. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): FANTASTIC. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND THE PLACE… THIS WAS NOT IN ANTIGUA IN THE INITIAL STAGE, AND THEY CAME TO THE CITY, AND THEY WANTED THE LAND FOR FREE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): LONG STORY, SO MY MEMORY IS A LITTLE BIT FADED ON THIS. PLAN FOR FREE AND A BUNCH OF CONCESSIONS, AND THE CITY, AT THAT TIME, OR MAYBE IT WAS PASSED ON IT. THAT'S CRAZY. SO THEY WALK UP THE STREET TO MANTECA. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND NOW, IF YOU GO THERE, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIO. AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THIS. IT'S ON THE CORNER OF TWO HIGHWAYS, NOW THERE'S… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): ALL KINDS OF RETAIL THAT'S SURROUNDED, IT'S BUSY ALL THE TIME. GREEN WOLF LODGE CAME, THAT'S RIGHT. AND IT PROBABLY SEEMED LIKE A COMPLETELY SILLY AND ABSURD IDEA, BUT… SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): STOP IT. I SPENT MANY HOURS THERE. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): YEAH, I MEAN, THEY KIND OF… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THING, OR YOU COULD HAVE DINNER. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): WATCHED ALL THE. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): DISPLAY, AND… SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): WHAT WAS THAT? SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): THEY'VE GOT NEW OWNERS, THEY FINALLY REPLACED THE ASTROTURF. SPEAKER 1 (LOGITECH): WHICH RFP WOULD BE FOR THE FULL 70 ACRES? YEAH. THE RRP WOULD BE FOR THE FULL 70 ACRES. YEP. SO THE DEVELOPER'S ON BOARD, BUT THE CITY TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT? YEP. COOL. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): YOU NEED SOME SHADE TREES. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WELL, I MEAN, THE INVESTMENT'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT. BUT WE LEARNED SOME OTHER STUFF, LIKE, THIS IS WHY PBT IS SO USEFUL, LIKE, WE WERE ASKING THEM, LIKE, WHAT THINGS ARE WE NOT THINKING ABOUT IN DESIGN? THEY'RE LIKE, WELL. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): PARKING. GONNA HAVE A LOT OF IT. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): YES. WHAT ELSE? SPEAKER 4 (LOGITECH): MORE THAN ONE EXIT FROM THE LOCK. YEAH, SORRY. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WHO WAS IN THAT MEETING BETWEEN? WERE YOU AN EVENING BETWEEN? SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): I WAS A PART OF IT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BECAUSE THEY SAID… WHAT ELSE DID THEY SAY? THEY SAID THERE WERE SOME OTHER LITTLE DESIGN FEATURES THAT THEY SAID ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): SO IT'S NOT HOOKUPS? SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YEAH, THAT… THINK OF, LIKE, WHERE YOUR LITTLE BODEGAS OR PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET THEIR FOOD ARE GONNA BE, BECAUSE IT'S NEVER REALLY THOUGHT OF. SHANE WAS A BIG THING. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): THEY'RE THE WESTERN NATIONALS. YEAH. AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW. SPEAKER 5 (LOGITECH): WE HAD TO PARK. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): WAY FAR FROM BY THE BMX, AND YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): YEAH, SHANE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THERE WAS A LOT OF KIND OF FENCING AND SECURITY STUFF THEY SAID YOU'VE GOT TO KIND OF THINK THROUGH, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND I'M FORGETTING NOW, BUT THERE WAS A BUNCH OF JUST, LIKE, LITTLE MINOR DESIGN THINGS YOU WOULDN'T THINK OF THAT ARE LIKE, HEY, WE SEE THESE IN OTHER PARKS, AND WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THEM, IT JUST MAKES THE EXPERIENCE STINK. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND I DON'T KNOW IF ROGER IS ON AND WANTS TO TALK, BUT, HE'S… HE HAS, SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THIS FOR MANY YEARS, AND SO IT'S BEEN… AND IT'S BEEN NICE ENOUGH TO DONATE HIS TIME. SO, I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO FORMULATE A… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): THE IDEA AND PLAN, AND WE'RE GONNA GET A BUNCH OF DRAFT RFPS FOR THIS GROUP TO REVIEW, AND… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): KIND OF LIKE WE'VE DONE AT AN AIRPORT WITH A SERIES OF RFPS, ONE OF WHICH WAS JUST APPROVED LAST NIGHT, HAVE THE COMMITTEE KIND OF SLICE AND DICE IT, AND THEN WE PUT IT OUT THERE, AND PERHAPS WE CREATED A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE'LL PROBABLY INCLUDE… WE'LL INCLUDE PARKS AND REC, TOO, AND, HAVE… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP KIND OF SCORE IT TO SEE IF WE CAN'T GET A PARTNER CHOSEN. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): SO YEAH, THAT'S THE GENERALIZED IDEA, AND… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE ONE SUGGESTION. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): WE'VE MADE IT OFTEN TO YOU OFFLINE. THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE IN VILLAGE 5 THAT THEY CAN'T PUT. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): HOUSING IN THAT THEY CAN PUT SPORTS IN, AND I WOULD ALMOST SAY TO DOUBLE DOWN, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'VE GOT TWO… SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): TYPES OF FACILITIES THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE FOR INTERCHANGE. SO, 78 ACRES IS WHAT YOU NEED FOR 8 BALL DIAMONDS AND OR 10 FIELDS. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): BUT YOU NEED EITHER ONE, YOU CAN'T COMBINE IT, OR YOU'RE GONNA LOSE YOUR TOURNAMENT POTENTIAL. YEAH. AND IF THEY HAVE ALL THIS OPEN SPACE THAT THEY CAN PUT BASEBALL LENS OR LONG FIELDS IN, I WOULD ALMOST DOUBLE DOWN. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): CUTE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): 140 ACRES? SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): NOT TOGETHER, NECESSARILY, BUT TWO. ONE THAT CAN BE LONG FIELDS, AND ONE THAT CAN BE BASEBALL VIOLENCE. SPEAKER 4 (LOGITECH): THERE'S ROOM IN VILLAGE 5. YES, THEY HAVE A TON. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): OPEN SPACE. THE OPEN SPACE CAN BE EITHER PARKED OR UNDEVELOPED. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): AND SOME OF THAT OPEN SPACE IS DESIGNATED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PUT HOUSING IN IT, BUT YOU CAN PUT FIELDS IN IT, BECAUSE FIELDS ARE FLOOD. SPEAKER 7 (LOGITECH): WE NEED BOTH SOCCER. YEAH, AND THERE'S SECTIONS, TOO, THAT… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WITH THE OPEN SPACE, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT, LIKE, AIRPORT LAND USE PLAN WORKS, THERE'S SECTIONS OF THOSE 5 THAT JUST AREN'T GREAT FOR DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE TO BE VERY RURAL, AND SO IT MIGHT BE THAT THERE'S SOME AREAS… WE'RE ALREADY DEALING WITH FOLKS THAT HAVE… BUT THE AIRPORT… SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH):- SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): OVERFLIGHT. OVERFLIGHT KIND OF GOES LIKE THIS, SORT OF. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): AND SO A LOT OF THIS LAND HERE IS PRETTY CONSTRAINED, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY CAN DO. SO THERE'S… THERE'S CERTAIN OPPORTUNITIES, BECAUSE, YEAH, I MEAN. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): HE'S RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE, AND WE JUST SO HAPPEN TO SAY PARKS ARE OPEN SPACE HERE IN LINCOLN. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): I MEAN, I THINK YOU COULD DO BOTH. AND YOU'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A RACE CONDITION WITH ROCKLEDGE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MASTER PLANNED FOR ONE OF THEIR PARTS TO DOING ANY DIAMOND. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): IS THAT THE ONE, HAPPY ONE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEP. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): BUT, AND I DON'T KNOW THEIR MODEL. THEIR MODEL MAY BE THIEVES, THE COLLECTION. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): THEIR MODEL IS PASSIVE SALES TAX. OH, OKAY, WELL… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YEAH, THAT WAS NOT ON OUR LIST, BUT, SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): BUT, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THEIR MODEL, BUT THE SALES TAX IS PARTIALLY GOING TO REOCCURRING, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SEVERAL YEARS WHERE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO INVEST IN CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THEY JUST ARE ABOUT TO APPROVE THIS MASTER PLAN. AND THERE'S 3 PARKS ON IT, AND THE SECOND PART IS PARKIS LONDON. IT'S BASICALLY… SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): TAKING, I THINK THERE'S 4 OR 5 THERE AND TURNING IT INTO 8. IT'S KIND OF WIDE. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): I LIKE THE… I MEAN, WE'LL SEE IF IT WORKS OUT, BUT IT'S KIND OF WHY I LIKE THE PRIVATE EQUITY MODEL A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE… SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL MAY SUPER DISAGREE WITH ME, IN WHICH CASE I'LL CHANGE EXACTLY HOW I FEEL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO. SPEAKER 2 (LOGITECH): COLUMBUS. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): I DON'T WANT TO RUN IT. IT'S A LOT… THAT'S A FULL-TIME BUSINESS, AND… I AGREE WITH YOU. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): I'M NOT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): WE'RE NOT BUILT TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, OR DOUG DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF… DOUG DOES NOT WANT THAT. SPEAKER 8 (LOGITECH): TRY THAT. SPEAKER 3 (LOGITECH): EVERYBODY HAPPY ALL THE TIME, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE… I MEAN, THAT WOULD TAKE A WHOLE TEAM OF PEOPLE,