Neighborhoods, Community Services, Public Health and Safety Committee

>> Good morning. It is 9.31 Will go ahead and call the neighborhoods Monday, NOVEMBER. 3rd meeting to order. We'll go ahead and start with introductions to my live. Dennis, good morning, Daryn. This administration, Russell Council research. >> Very Plus Office General Counsel Villa Peterson counselor's office. Our City Council district one. Randi, what district? Well, my gay district, 2, good morning. Chris Miller at large group Fine. Ron Salem Group 2 at large. The running time. 1 o'clock, Mary District, 9. Goodmorning District 11. Well district 3. Good morning. Matt Carlucci, a large group for all right. Thank you. Go sworn Good morning to our visit council members. >> Before we get started will go ahead in open up for public comment that speaker cards here. You'll be given 3 minutes to speak on a bill that we will be So please make it relative to first item will be Stanley Pipes and regards. To 2025. U n. State. Your name and you can say address on record and you will be afforded 3 minutes, sir. >> Family pipes on the district manager for Harbor Waterway, special district than for Bill 7.27 I'm just here to answer any questions. And my address is Thank you, sir. Next is Karnow all over. You got 3 minutes, sir. Yes, my name is gone. Now. Say it is. >> One of the things I did in this community done a lot of d. In do research on my family. And I found out that I am at this and of Nicholas and Nicklas Andrews Mayor de woman. By the name occur. With Well, I found out in old city limits before they burn down all of the records monterey's arenas in regards to a specific bill. >> Is the area's bill okay. When I talk about investments. Every black American communities. If they then and balls, black American communities. We've been overlooked. The lack of respect. Well, black Americans. >> deep rules. Going back to the freedmen's bureau. Has never been did not all respect. You're taking initial steps. And the right direction. But overarching goal and will ask. As I want to have a conversation, what the Department of Interior. The Indian affairs. Because, well, law. American Friedman. As a recognized protected class of in the in the face. You talk about investing in this county as a whole. But when the truth comes out, mostly y'all are immigrant. Because when it comes down to 14th Amendment. The embodiment up. Iss of that Andrews. Bam. The documentation in this community. Everybody that comes at the me agree. There are 2 Supreme Court case that are moved. One is putting it to the broken immigration system. And the problem is we let too many Ellis Island generations. It's in this country. And the biggest headache, if the community. We're well. And money. That came from that generation. You told so many On this. So many true. You never recognize the U.S. You never respected American free MAY it everything in the old city limit. Even built. The That's the kind of stuff John. Don't talk about when it comes to the 19 0, one great fi. >> All right. Thank you, Next we've got to John Jay New knee. Please reference stay all of Bill. You 3 minutes. >> The low I am. >> John Jay new Jacksonville City Council resolution Twenty-twenty 3, 0, 8, 1, 9, City Council district, 4 cpac, 3 school board district 3 Kelby touching on agenda items. And I just need take a breath for this one. Okay. We're going agenda items. 1, 2, 3, 2025, 0, 6, 100, go from 3 to 5 bucks. Make it 10. All right. Number for 2025, 0, 7, 2, 7 bbb, big, Beautiful. But Allen, that's jpa jta Redial no, it's not waterways. Agenda item 6 number 7, 2025, 0, 7, 6, 7, We've got some will joke legislation city at that Taishan Plant Park on Pottsburg Creek next to a no or a fema house. 2025, 0, 0, 1, ni. Number 10, 2025, 0, 7, 7, 2, d I a drugs including alcohol you know, another round maybe this sign. Agenda item 15, 16, 2025, 0. 71. 15 million bucks direct contracts. 17, 2025, 0. 72 public hearing Spot j Launch j 18 Tia Stuff. And maybe need another round on that site. All right, 2025, 0, 7, 9, 5 Jay said. Okay, here we go. All right. Jacksonville journey forward now we've got a at Randolph. We got Gregory Grant Todd Red carpet Rubin. Okay. Got plenty of time here. You got richer. Sparky Reichard know we're making a movie. This Jay said going to be big. It's going to be worldwide international. Good stuff. All right. Okay. We're all we got 21. 2025, 0, 7, 9, 7 Kids Hope Alliance check sternly Journey forward. Youth empowerment. You got Terrance Freeman, John Everett, Charles Grange. You know, one thing I just want to share with all of you know, here is the 2001, a new report, northeast Florida Regional Council. Over 20 years ago. Here. We've got to find stuff. And here we just have. This special committee on the future of downtown. Can go see the lights coming on. That's And then here, northeast Florida Regional Council. Here's a here's a favorite river dance. I mean, this thing. To summer, 2005. Okay. Countdown. Jta Board meeting. Cip. Councils and Passport. Thank you is Thank you. We do have one more speaker. >> Danielle Van Morning Council. My name is Danielle Van Sickle and I'm here on behalf of the Jacksonville General Apprenticeship Association. >> Our prayers programs are made up of registered apprenticeship programs that cover northeast Florida. >> We employ as well as train the future workforce of our community. The trays include carpentry, electrical hvac operating engineers. Sheet metal working pipe, welding and plumbers. We have 949 registered apprentices as well as 156 registered apprentices. In addition, our contractors employ 3500 craftsmen and women throughout the city and are some of the largest contractors in Florida. Our programs are experiencing unprecedented growth and his nonprofit. Our resources have been stretched to meet this demand. We would like to be included in any conversation surrounded Bill 2025, that's 7.81 with funding to help out our apprenticeship. These funds will be used for many things. Examples would be textbooks certifications such as osha first aid cpr, entry level driving training for CEOs peters overhead projectors tools like us Abels. Personally. I'm the apprenticeship, the renter for the alleged training loss of Jacksonville. We've been here since 1945? So we have deep roots in our community. The Jacks will General Apprenticeship Association represents some of our largest contractors needs are pillars of this community companies such as Miller Letter Re sheet metal, ww gay for Jay Wayans, Coghlan brothers. These are companies that are building the city and all of these companies that I just mentioned get their apprentices from us. And with the way how resources and the way how financing is today, we feel like money spent on us that's made from this council any of these bills would be in media at return on investment back to this community. These are people that live in community and these are going to be the future workforce, the people that are going to build this community. Most people think about just the stadium because this to the big project that everybody sees. But if you drive around this town, there's a lot of other construction work besides just the stadium. You see cranes everywhere and in order and these jobs in the put hardworking men and women on the jobs, apprenticeship programs like ours is what's going to be needed. We respectfully request that you consider our general a general apprenticeship association, funding that might help out the future workforce of Jacksonville, Florida. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. With takes us back to >> agenda. Action items. >> One change that I want to do a 2. Help out with the council land go ahead and move his bill too, to the fraud and will take up is item first. >> So can I get in motion on the 2020 item? Number 15, 2025? 0, 7, 8, I've got a motion a second on the bill. And council in and you're recognized. Thank chair and thank you chair for moving me up. I think this will go faster than the other areas, bill. That will be up next. >> So real quick going back to Bill 2023. 807, which was the mayor's transition committee recommendation. Bill. There's a million dollars for the mayor's task force, small business Capital Access Program within that 50,000 is designated for the Veterans Entrepreneurship Grant program. I worked with that Gregory Grant and Randolph's office on this. It finally got launched in SEPTEMBER. I know a number of you were there at the Veterans Day thing. We had a last Wednesday in the atrium where I briefly spoke about it. A great program just took us a while to get it out. There. There was a bill, 2025, 7, 1, 5, that provided carrier will carry over of remaining funding for that million Councilmember Johnson introduced it. I co sponsored it and for my finance France, if you recall, I did specifically ask when that Bill was up. If it included the money, the remaining money, which is 48,000 because we've only paid out one today since it did take a while to get it up and running. But the thought was, yes, that bill covered the money and that fast forward. A few weeks later, we found out we'll know the bill as written 7, 5, did not actually cover cover the and comfort shun of that bill. So this is taking 48,000 out of the operating reserves, moving it back. If I if we got the legislation right to begin with, I'm sure this would have been unanimously but passed unanimously. But since we have past 9, 30 25 it did fall the reserves. So I'm asking to bring this back up and fund this and this will allow for 24 additional grants to veteran entrepreneurs out there. Thank you, sir. >> No other speakers and a q I've got a motion, a second group of developed record your vote. >> 7 yeas, 0 nays. >> All right. By your action. You the past 2025, 0, 7, 8, 0, All right. We'll go ahead and go back to First item will do will go ahead open up the the floor too. The for the presentation of one airs. If you want to introduce the PRESIDENT, your presentation. >> All right. Thank you. MISTER Chair. Just to kind of go or what we're working on today. It's bill number 2025, 0 71, which is 50 million dollars towards workforce initiatives and also education component. We have 5 entities here today that I've identified as the benefactors for this 15 million dollars since I've had this conversation for multiple months, not only public notice meetings last week, we have to be unknown. We've also had multiple conversations with all the entities ogc in the auditors. There have been a lot of moving parts as expected with the bill this size. So I will be presenting out how all the entities percent today and then also again, tomorrow, I'll just let you know for the record just from here on out today. I will be deferring this bill. One more cycle because I want to make sure that we get all the questions answered from you all. And I'm pretty sure that whatever questions you guys might have, they will be able to answer them within a day. So they'll probably need a couple weeks to get things squared away as was ogc. I know that they're working on a couple technicalities as well, too. So I will be deferring this for another cycle. However, today and tomorrow will be the only days will have presentations. So I urge you guys, if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to their office in the next couple weeks. With that being said, I will open up the floor today to out So I have just kind of go over the quick synopsis of this. It's 50 million dollars u n f 6 million dollars fscj for 5 million dollars. E w for 2.6, 7, 5 million net. But for 1 million, an workforce induction industrial Training Center for $325,000. So those are that equals 15 million dollars one of the things I'm working on now, which is why also need some more time is I'm working with Ttc right now to see how we can identify some funding sources through their fund to offset some of the 15. So I that way. I could open up 15 and we had down and look for 3 million dollars from tc. So really it's going to be 12 million dollars that we're going to using here because 3 minutes from tc, which means we're going to have 3 million dollars that are going to be opened up. And I'm going just relinquish And then you guys can figure that part out. I know that MISTER Michael Chi had conversations with me. The puck notice meaning that week as well as MISTER So that's up to you, gentlemen, to talk about that some point. But I will be opening up 3 million dollars if tc board members vote up to 3 million dollar question. I will be requesting from t d c. All right. So with that being said, I'm going to first call up, threw a chair. MAY I call them up or do you want to call them up? >> You can go ahead. If you've already got an order center. >> All right. To do So I'm going to call up will be allowed 15. >> 15 minutes. Total total yet. So everybody that comes up does have 3 minutes on them on the qps for them. And I'll start off with first. Any representatives from Unf followed by Fscj and then w and then workforce Industrial Training Center and they'll be 3 minutes on the clock for each of you all. And what I decide. Council members is it's a total of 15 minutes that we have a presentation. So let them present and then we'll the next one and the next one, the next one. And then we're done. If you guys have questions, feel Some questions want to show we did a 15 minute on So not right. Before we get MR. Carlo during the q, did you want to speak now? Ok? Thank you. All right. The floors are sir. >> thank you very much, Nick Morrow, athletic director at the University of North Florida. I do have a handout for this project as well for you. One pager, but how stadium's become a great asset to the city. We've started hosting track meets about 13 years ago at a higher level generating over 200,000 room nights in over 260 million dollars during that time span. That's just the track meets that are taking Just stadium over the past 5 years alone. We've really become more and more attractive as a destination. We're averaging 17,000 room nights and 15 million dollars per year. But due to the age of the facility, we do need to co compliance and lifecycle project issues that we have. So not only can we maintain the current level of impact we're having, but let's continue to grow this. Let's host of a more national and international events matter of fact, ncaa bid cycle for the to the 2031 ncaa championships for all sports across ncaa that starts in FEBRUARY. But without into serious investment into Hodges Stadium, the facility will not be in condition to continue to host and that one ncaa East. Pretty one that we host for half the country comes to Jacksonville generates 12,000 room nights and 10 million dollars alone. Furthermore, this investment allow us to build 2 and a half press practice field that will help us increase public access to the city are to the campus, but also position you enough to host of in more events, including potentially being a World Cup training site for international team. Request is actually a match. 6 million dollars for a total 12 million dollar project. This project has a very strong r a y that will attract major national and international events bringing a significant economic impact into our community while enhancing a proven commodity, not stadium. All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you for that. Up next, I do have a fscj. >> such air. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is John Wall had the honor serving as provost and vice PRESIDENT Of academic affairs for state College at Jacksonville. Begin with the word about return on investment last year. In addition to a couple of 1000 degrees and technical certificates, Fscj 1312 third-party industry certifications, ranking 3rd among all colleges in the Florida College system despite being the 6th largest in the system, we punch above our weight because we are deeply committed to workforce development that is driven by economic development data and our responsiveness to the needs of our employers across the region. So today I'm standing before you on behalf of the college PRESIDENT Doctor John Avendano seeking your support to expand the kind of high impact workforce training that we do. The workforce funding in this bill combined with millions Fscj has saved to put towards this project will enable the acquisition of 45,000 Square feet of training space at the Cecil Commerce Center. This expansion will allow us to increase both the quantity and quality of students. We train in welding hvac, advanced manufacturing and logistics. Phase, one of this expansion will focus on welding. Our welding program is currently operating at full capacity with full time cohorts running throughout the day, all day, every day during the week and part time cohorts running year-round in the evening. Our downtown welding site is landlocked and we have no room to grow. The new facility would allow us to double our welding capacity from 20 to 40 stations meeting the needs of both students and employers. At a cost under $5,000 in tuition. Fscj blows away private welding school schools that cost over 4 times as much. Welding wages in Jacksonville average. $25 per hour with annual earnings exceeding $50,000. These are life-changing wages for students. Any critical talent pipeline for our region's infrastructure and manufacturing sectors. With that face complete, we look forward to expanding into other areas and we are going to be seeking funding through other sources, including industry partners and job growth Grant through the state of Florida. But Weldon is the first priority and we appreciate your support and your consideration. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you for that. Next up, we have a w. >> At water's University. >> Good Morning, MISTER Chair. My name is Dr Michael West to serve as vice PRESIDENT For operations at Edward Waters University. I'm here in reference to Bill 2025, 0. 71. Our project is a living learning community center currently underwater Sta serve both the neighborhoods and the local communities up. There are a variety of resources. 1997 through 2023, a number of resource been built on their Waters. University campus serving the Newtown. Can't community those range from mental health voting precinct food drives athletics health disparities as well as a jso substation. That includes 14 rooms, 12 which occupied a jso to occupy every waters. University. We do currently foot the bill for all of the maintenance and operations of that building. We also have the Nathaniel Glover Community Field in stadium and we also the community as well center, which is open not only to their waters campus, but it is as well to the new tell community. I would argue that education and workforce are one in the same. Waters in the last 4 years has launched academic degree programs, a graduate degree programs and service cure a t nba. Welcome Ministration as well as educational policy advocacy. We're also not only looking at classroom training instruction. We also partnering with apply based internships and externship through the Mayo Clinic. We have partnerships with University of Florida College of Nursing, as well as new partnerships with of Florida, a m University's College of Pharmacy. And in JANUARY, we are expected to announce the workforce industrial training partnership with a local organization that can serve within the workforce development area are specific project that we are seeking funding for from the community, from the council on this current cycle is a community center that's looking to be about 18,000 square feet. Comey partitioned off. It'll serve community as well as campus needs. It'll feature for community media conference rooms as well as kitchen and warming rooms. And the initial funny that we're looking for is to help with the pre design planning and preconstruction of this facility along with an underwater university community walking path and track waters will be serving as the host institution for the National Division to track and Field championships in MAY of 2028. And so we're looking to add to our campus athletic facilities with the new track. We do expect all of these projects will, in fact, have direct and indirect financial economic impact. Look, 40 million dollars over the next 3 to 5 years. Community Again, we are looking at a neighborhood revitalization, health equity, senior and youth programming as well as faith and civic leadership. And like I said before, we are expecting these projects that we're proposing today and seeking funding for will impact the local community to the tune of about 40 million dollars of the next 3 to 5 years. All right. Thank you. Not been northeast Florida Builders association. >> Good morning. My name is Christina Thomas. Thank you guys for hearing from me. From the Northeast Builders association just wait a little bit about our particular project on nafta has operated a registered apprenticeship program since 1973. And we're currently training over 540 apprentices to become carpenters electricians, hvac technicians and partners. It's important to note that all of our apprentices, our full-time employees with over 205 local employers, our graduation rate is almost 20% higher than that of the statewide for registered apprenticeship programs. And we're talking about economic development because these are workers within our community. They put 23.6 million dollars back annually into our local economy. So you're going to have a direct return on your investment where that's concerned. Our project specifically, we have purchased permanent 43,000 square-foot training facility back in will be open in spring of 2026. And will House 11 classrooms for dedicated lab spaces and we will be able to expand what we've been doing for the last 50 years to instead of just offering evening time programming. We're also gonna have daytime programming to continue. Do our outreach that we do in the local area. Cold streets, community. With this, the funds will support our construction and remodeling materials, training, equipment facilities. Bill out, 100% of these funds will be used directly impact our apprentices positively. It'll help us sustain our high quality workforce development standards. Our project a total project cost us 7 million dollars. So far. We are a little over 4 million dollars into that with nothing actually putting a match of or above 1.4 million dollars themselves. We've also received funding from the Delores Barr Weaver Foundation, the state of Florida in the industry, community partners. Our commitment is that we're going to support this with our members and philanthropic organizations for the state of Florida. We do not anticipate having to come back to the city of Jacksonville for further funding should be a self-sustaining project. Once we go through with this and we do have long history of strong accountability and transparency with our outside auditing team. Last thing I want to leave you with is just a voice of impact from one of our apprentices who was actually the superintendent over our project over with Salt and Light Constructors. He said nothing as a family. They care. I wouldn't be where I am today without the apprenticeship program. As a father of 2 girls, I want to be a role model. One day I look forward to showing my daughter's the city that I helped to build. Thank you for your time. >> Right. Thank you. And the last one up will be workforce industrial training center. MR. James Coleman, thank you. Thank you. My name is James Coburn. We have doubts the PRESIDENT Workforce industry training. This will be our 3rd attempt to do funding for the operation Boost program. The company itself, we provide training for a base individuals to face problems with employment recidivism for the last 3 years, we've been able to maintain a program and continue to push south of quality student increase the workforce. Currently we're looking at about 80% completion rate. 80% placement rate. Now we're looking at 75% retention after 6 months of employment, we have many contacts and make connections with several local entities around Jacksonville. This community shareholders. We're currently looking at more than 250 people on our waiting list. Unfortunately, our funding is very low. So we're asking to be considered on this bill to receive funding. We MAY be able to continue for my last program. Our economic impact ended up being 2.5 million dollars with a ripple effect. Look at 3.7 million as I hope that if funding is a building given to work for us to continue the Operation Boost Initiative, that we can continue to grow as a unity of the city to come by this training for those individuals that desperately need the help and the assistance. All right. Well, thank you for that. >> engage in any questions you MAY have for me or for the audience this point. >> Let first COUNCILMAN Carlucci. Thank you, MISTER Chair. I just want to be added as a co-sponsor placed us all. >> Thank All right. >> Next Doctor Salem. >> Thank Thank you, chair I missed Councilmember area says last meeting I attended the first to wear apparently a discussion or Kurd about. >> Tdc contributing and 3 million dollars potentially and those dollars being a quote, available. I just want to throw an idea out there that it's very important to me as a part of this process during the budget process. Many of you recall, I tried to limit the je a contribution that 40 MAY and tried to advocate for only 10 or 20 million of that being used in this budget in trying to spread the rest of that out over the next 2 to 3 years. I was unsuccessful. As we came into the last couple of days of the budget, we had 3 million dollars set aside as a contingency for next year's budget. And that all got spent. So we're looking at a 65 million dollar deficit in the 20. 26 27 budget. And I would love to see if there's extra dollar set aside. We've got a couple of major completion grants that we have to pay out and would love to see some money put towards that. As we advocate for dollars available for that. Thank you. Chair. >> mysterious you want to comment on that. >> Sure. Threw the chair as you're saying. You definitely are not. At the last last week, but I do know that MISTER McCarty, she was there and one of the conversations we had during that meeting was to fight that we also that, you know, this bill right here is was workforce and education component and all the get some think it comes with it. I think this needs to be a bill for the community now while the 3 million dollars that if Tdc does vote on the first of all, that they have their own board. They have to approve it. The of support that 3 million dollars coming from tc than it does open up 3 million dollars if they don't approve that, we don't have that 3 million dollars from tc and I still have to proceed this way. However, I feel pretty confident that he's to bring this Nevertheless, if the 3 men dollars us get opened up. I know that MISTER Michael Chi has some ideas of how to potentially use some of those daughters. I'm not sure to what extent he needs, but I know that and I know you hear Searcy me want to do to what you're thinking about. I do know is that the full 3 men and a woman in her one dollar. But if you don't mind, just elaborate on that a little more through the chair. That's possible missing Let me keep working through the. >> Through the q here and then I get MISTER Carlucci on the cues. So I'll be coming to as court Murray. >> Thank you, chair and once again, good morning to everyone. I like them. Some of the colleagues I was unable to attend your meetings last week. I wish I had so maybe my on the questions. And when asked today. We'll we'll have been answered answered. And so they will have prepared. And I'm not necessarily going to bring anyone to the podium because there's like what 5 entities represented here. So going to pose the questions. And I will also state to which entity that question is posed. So I'm going to start first of all with the w I notice that the 2.6, 5 million is a part of a larger amount that and 2026, they're supposed to be a 6.6, a little over 6 Million. That's going to be given in 2020. 26 27 so I'm wondering what is the total cost of the project. And is there going to be a match? One thing I appreciate about the 2 other entities is that they came with additional dollars. They didn't just they're not just depending upon city dollars. They came with a match. So if we w is there going to be some kind of met? I also read that you do use going to receive 30 million dollars. I'm not sure with that in grants, whatever that MAY be from some other entity or some other How does that 30 million fit into a how does this 2.0? 6, 5 from the city and eventually an additional 6 up a little over 6 million play into that 30 million that you're going to receive. And then this is total amount that we're going to provide. And we being the city is 37.5% of the total cost. What is the total cost of the project? So that's where those of you who are representing e w. So the next thing is one of my questions. It's really to MISS The 5 pulas and maybe MR. Pugh says, well, I don't expect an answer right now, but I'm really trying to figure out these grants or these loans because I'm looking at the terms and conditions in the terms conditions for each of the entities. There is a mention of a loan like at new those last paragraph and then at very beginning, says it's a grant. You have tell me about now going to go through my list and then for Operation Boost. What is the timeframe for having those 10100 persons trained? And then I would for each of the areas where there's going to be construction. When when is the performance supposed to start? I did hear that. One of the last into news that you already have a building. And I think I read by recall in leading the terms conditions and some places they're supposed to be a choir inland to build something. So one of those cases. So once again, just putting those questions out there, and then if you're not getting the questions down, this is also videotapes. You can go back and listen to the video. Watch the video. And see my last question One thing that if the it is that is going to be self-sustaining. One of my concerns about the e w. Funding is is that going to be self self-sustaining because in the 10 to condition is is that you will continue to need funds from the city. And i think with the amount that's that's proposed to be given in addition to the 30 million that's coming to you that you should be able to sustain the life learning center that you're proposing. I don't think we're getting a whole lot in terms of the bargain, the benefit of the bargain. Pretty much what we're getting from uw and from Unf is. Access to those facilities. I'm hoping that access will include the Bob Hayes so that way they don't have to continue to pay for that portion, which is a huge event, not just with a city bus in specifically for the African-American communities. I hope that that's part of that. That benefit of the bargain and I would like to see if the city could get some other benefits of the body because this is a lot of money that we are providing to these entities and it with that to you. I'm going to conclude my question. All right. Thank list next, go to councilmember born. >> Thank you MR. Jeffery, my apologies for walking in late just for the record. I'm here. >> And did listen to the public comments. All of those I do have a couple questions. And first of kind of like to direct this to COUNCILMAN Salem. I think he spoke to briefly. But as the chair, the doge committee and concerns as you talked about eloquent lease already about using found a dollars and initiative like these. And I think many of these are worthwhile. I can certainly understand it. But i mentioned a few weeks ago, my concern with respect of us reallocating appropriated dollars to different parties. And I know doses focusing on that. So help me understand your concern. With respect to the allocation of the appropriation of these funds that could have easily gone into the reserve, that you're so very much concerned about. >> Through the I agree with you and I hope this year we will do if there are surpluses at the end of each quarter, there will be a immediate grant for those dollars and where we're looking at very challenging years ahead of us. And I think those dollars should be put in the reserves. I have a bill that I'm introducing hopefully soon that will that quarterly report that we have each one of those items need to be. I need to be balanced versus certain departments being under an over it will force the administration to balance sheets particular department with dollars. And I hope we can stop that practice that has occur both by the administration and the council as we get those. You're right, it's a it's it's not just the Absolutely. And come the areas. I do appreciate very much through the chair you putting this forward. I think we just need to balance. >> Is it important enough for us to do these kind of projects? I met with the folks from Unf and Fscj very supportive of theirs. Dr West. I would very much like to have a meeting with you to get you to stand. You're asking us to lead with our chin on our dollars here. Quite frankly. And as report pointed out, I'd love to have a better understanding where the balance is going to come from. I can certainly appreciate the use of the value of that. Don't get me wrong. But as you see, there's amendments of recommendations offered by auditors. I'd love make sure that you're comfortable what they're looking to propose as as an inclusion as amendments into this bill. We need to have a better understanding what you use confidence. He used confidence in it raising these funds to match what the city is attempting to do to support you. So that MARCH, will conclude my comments. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Next, let's go to Colonel Miller. Thank you, MR. Through the chair. I express some of these. Thoughts during the 3rd announce meeting that COUNCILMAN R Us had. And I just wanted to reiterate couple him and make a couple other comments. I don't so much, Questions of any of the individual organizations that that are recommended to benefit from from these funds. Because I don't question that these these things are for good purposes. And and the comments that have been made by COUNCILWOMAN Darren Clarke. Murray are questions I would have asked why won't go down that road. But what I will say is >> we have an opportunity here in a fiscal responsible way. 45 million dollars that was put into? I continue sea cow. 59 is being considered as part of this bill. We have a 62 million dollar known. Known solid, no solidly known deficit next year. So in the middle of the budget year. We're saying. Let's take 15 Million. I know overage that was put in the contents account. Let's spend it. And there's another 30 million from what I understand that it's been proposed. We spend that additional 30 million as well. And again, I'm sure good things, but to be fiscally responsible. Is this the right way to go? And not just because I'm a member of the toes committee. I've made these comments before. But I just really think we need to be careful about how we spend taxpayer dollars in the middle of the year that are budgeted for even if we put those dollars in the contingency account. And so my concern here is that and preference for really is that we don't spend these dollars. That we go ahead and earmark them for. That's 62 million dollar deficit next year as was stated, we have completion grants that are coming due next year for the Hyatt for Gateway for others. We have to pay for and the one time payments actually. So one of them has gone over other years in the future. So that would be my preference. However, it's a 19 member council, obviously, if that isn't the preference of the body. As I stated COUNCILMAN Arias during that last announced meeting, i try my best to be a team player and find a good way forward that everybody can live with. And so if that's the case, if there is an appetite. Good stewards in my in my opinion, fiscally responsible stewards of taxpayer dollars and looking at next year, not just that this year. If that appetite is not there to do that and someone wants to move forward with part or all of this 15 Million. I suggest we narrow it down. Skilled trades, workforce development. That's where. There is a time sensitive concern for not only our city, but also for our state and our nation. Just a quick example. The average age of a welder nationally is 55 years old. The average age of an hvac technician is 55 years old. Nationally, the average age of an electrician, certified electricians. 42 years old, local am told by good folks at Miller Electric its actually 52 years-old locally. So when 5 years. We'll be having a very, very serious issue in the skilled trades, not just workforce development, which is important, but in the skilled trades, workforce development area. So are we going to get serious about that? These price ship programs are 4 to 5 years. Most of them. So we have to get the young men and women in the queue. And so again. Fiscally responsible action in my opinion would be to hold onto these dollars this 15 on the other 30 for 45 to pay down that 62 million dollar deficit next year. But but if everyone wants to move forward, I recommend we narrow this down. Let's spend time working with Jacksonville, electrical jets see and the other folks pipe Fitters, plumbers. Go across the board in skilled trades, workforce development and focus. I really targeted focus. Having a positive impact on that concern of aging out of the workforce so that our shipbuilders are builders are community developers and others have the workforce they need and our our young men and women can not only get diplomas from high school after walk across the stage, but they have a career to be able provide for their family and for themselves. There's where I believe our focus needs to be in a really targeted narrow area. So but I did want also disallowed for this conversation because you've done a lot of work Council. Nice on this. This allowed for this conversation. So regardless of where we decide as a committee and as a council. Going forward on this particular bill. And then the bigger sense, regardless how this comes out. What had a really important conversation actually more than one on helping us to focus long term to improve some very important areas that need attention that I don't quite frankly think we've really, really addressed. So I think some people are awake and now on some things. And and again, I thank you for the work you put into this and for leaning forward to be able to address some of very important issues. All right. Thank you. Colonel Miller. >> For good in the next. I just want to recognize our former council PRESIDENT, the in the MR. Sam movie. Have you here, sir. All right. So our in the queue councilmember approaching. Thank you, MR. I'm not really sure where to start here. >> I want to be a good sport. I want to be thoughtful here. So let me just I heard the deficit brought up now. We should be talking about that at budget hearings. I'm just saying. We dug hole a little deeper. We cut the mileage back. For not much savings. But it dug a hole deeper. I am for this bill. This bill. It's going to have a positive impact. On these universities on our workforce, on future generations of competition. If future citizens really throughout the country going to bringing a lot of people here is going to bring a lot of people too. A lot of money to our community as a coming visit and compete. This is a good bill. This is 50 million dollars that's been out there for a long time. It was the 45 million that. Young COUNCILMAN Carlucci. Was going to use for downtown development, which, by the way, no work contributes can contribute to our tax base, more block block, then a really good vibrant downtown. And that's where 30 that million dollars going to go. So there's a future sees that will develop a tax base. That that will put money into our community into our neighborhoods. I've been to I think at least 2, not sure how many meetings that COUNCILMAN Or isis habit of into at least 2. I started out with 9 million for affordable housing. And then it went to 3 Million. And then it went to nothing. We that 3 million towards next year. 65 million dollar deficit. But 3 Billion. It's not make a dent in that. What 3 million putting towards affordable housing in the down Payment assistance program, which is where like these dollars to go. 3 Million. We'll make a difference to a lot of people. Lot of young people trying to build their world tomorrow. We should have thought about that. 65 I I brought up to 65 billion dollar shortfall that we will see next year. I bought it up. I talked about it. Road publications to the newspaper stuck my neck out. It's been far more fun to say, hey, for the mileage. Scott. Those are the things we need to think about from budget, the budget, the budget. That's just me. That's just how I think. It MAY not be higher or anybody else think that that's how I think. I've council PRESIDENT Barry Solem. It called former Council care. Everybody's got a title up here. I'm just COUNCILMAN Carlucci. All care to be called. But I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot of budgets. I've been through a lot of deaths that's coming up in the future. I've been through so many things that this council it's just now going through. I try to share. What I think is institutional knowledge and some wisdom that will help. And I tried to do that in this last year. So we're facing we new we're facing the staff succumbing. We know it. And now to stop a bill. Has such a positive impact on our university systems here. And the people in the scholars and students athletes that it touches. The possibility of of. And I appreciate the council finance chairs understanding of how to free up 3 Million. He said he would help me. I told him I when I lost all the dollars. I was a good sport. Us a look. Okay. You have really worked to this and I gave up to 3 Billion. I didn't worry about a nice. I'll try to find it elsewhere. And in the finance chair to his credit. So I will try to help you find money for affordable housing. And I said that sounds fair to me. And I said I'll support your bill even if I don't get to 3 Million. I don't get this 3 million that. My friend Salem wants to put towards towards 65 million deaths. It still support his bill because I think it's good on its own merits. But I just want to say And I want to address this because what I heard the 3 million that I have been coming to meetings on and have had some of those 15 million for affordable housing long time ago now. So we want to get to go towards the deficit for next year. I think I paid my dues it trying to address that deficit coming up next year. And I've been staking out money for affordable housing for a long time. And I like to build accounts, Mary says, do not think we need to think about all of that. And next year and the bill that that council Salem wants to do on Corley, looking at what? Perhaps overages, we might have an in-plane up towards next year. I think makes sense. And that's something we should look at. But to suddenly take 3 million and put it towards deficit that in him to not spend the money. The council various has been working on for for months. Towards these projects out here. I I think is is a it would be so short sighted. I support his bill 100%. And I hope that you'll support the 3 million for affordable housing. And help us apart. That's that's a big issue in this community. Thank you. That's all I got to say. Hope it makes some sense to somebody. Were council PRESIDENT Carlucci. Let's go to council in areas. Yes, you know I'll have a few comments, but go go ahead. >> All right. Thank you, colleagues for your input. I'd ever have been taking notes. I know that the entities over here have been taking as well. This is one of the reasons why I decided to defer this because there's still a lot of talking points and a lot of people can make it out last week. Nevertheless, I do want to address one has has it as MISTER McCarty. She stated, you know, we're looking at 3 million dollars. They're going to be opened up. They're just going to be there to use for however, the body decides to use them. What we're looking at the 15 million dollars, a whole weather t c invest with us for our community or not. You're looking at, you know, a 2.2 billion dollar budget, 50 million dollars going up. 0, 0, 6, 8%, of the budget. It doesn't move the needle, but it does move the needle for the likeness for my pretty she said for the scholars, pieces students are community leaders, everybody that that it will impact. So wow, it sounds like a big number. It is not a large number in the grand scheme of things. I do encourage you all to continue having more input and ultimately supporting this bill. I do have more input later on. But I just want to make sure that we you all have your answer. Your questions answered MISS Tehran talk, Mary. I know that you had a lot of questions and I have them all down. So I'm gonna be reaching out to all of them. I hope that they reach out to you regarding MR. Michael, affordable housing component. I do have a question for the auditors are owed. You seem more like the daughters is how much was it in the budget for the affordable housing component for the down payment system program? That was I guess, a port in this year's budget through the chair, Councilmember Arias. My recollection is that was $900,000 and was put towards the local stack program, not the down payment assistance program. >> I don't think any dollars are put to the down payment assistance from out of the general fund their dollars. And it was question how much was in the budget initially proposed for the down payment system program that we did not fund? Through this I don't remember that number. It was So so you say that to chair. The mayor did not put any dollars in for a down payment system program. Is that what you're saying? That's my question how was the deficit that we're looking at through the chair? I believe the mayor's budget did include dollars for down payments. This is I just don't recall the number to millions coming to mind. But I can't take any all. Golf. With you on that because I want to be sure that that's whatever number that is. That's a number that MR. Mike Mike, our teachers going to be trying to fight for and I'll be able to support him as well to to try to get those dollars for that and that's all I have. I know that we are making some last minute adjustments. I to 2 out of everybody out there were differing this bill. However, today rules I will ask the you guys show up again 2 o'clock. And then tomorrow, finance as well, too, for the individuals from the journey men's program. That rate apprenticeship program and all that. Like I said in the last meeting, this my first time conversation with you guys. And this will not be the last time. I know for a fact that i want to start working towards you guys effective immediately. So whatever happens with legislation, 0 71. Does that mean that you guys are not going to be part of this conversation in just might have to be a separate part. But I give you my word as well as well as I know, MISTER Miller, MR. Freeman, like everybody was at public notice meeting that's week. MISTER Everybody here. We all want to figure out a way to housing to you guys in the conversation. So don't let 71 bring you down a bit. If you guys don't get out into it. We're all working on it. And I'm gonna work on a new guys as well to all right. Thank you all for for coming today. And thank you, MR. Chair for indulging in this. Thank. Thank you, MR. Peterson. Through the chair. So it just I did confirm 2 million for down payment assistance was included the mayor's original budget that got zeroed out. >> Wanted to make a statement related to the tdc dollars. The proposed 3 million from tc would come out of their reserves of which they have 7 million plus in there that requires council approval regardless. So you could wait to see if the Tdc wants to weigh in on the use of dollars. But it's not required because ultimately council overseas, those were reserve dollars. So just wanted to put that on the record. >> All right, MR. As you want comment. >> thank you. MISTER Peterson. I was in the oppression that the tdc board had to first vote on it, approve it and then it comes to counsel. Are you saying that we could just take care of it ourselves? Through the chair? That's correct. I done me. There's no the conversation there. So what do we have to do then to to make sure we get those dollars? Through chair to council areas and committee said the use of tdc dollars has to be tourists related. So as long as the finding is that the investment in the u n f facility. >> The reason that you're doing is for the promotion of tourism. That's the box that has to be checked. It would just be through an amendment to the bill at some later date to bring those dollars into this bill. Okay. And just to clarify this, I will be putting that amendment in myself than those daughters to be going towards units sports complex, but not the infrastructure improvement but more the tourism component of it that way. We spend all that up. And that's it's clearly, you know. >> Line item, thank you. >> All right. Fill up again. So let's let's go to Doctor Salem for the second. >> I hear the point about thank you, chair about pdc. Ops. I served on Tdc for couple of years that 7 million Dollar Reserve is there for a mega van that MAY come to Jacksonville that we could move dollars towards and bring that event to Jacksonville. So even though we can move those dollars. I definitely want to hear from t d c personally on what dollars would be sufficient for them to keep in that reserve force and events such as that to make sure we're not strapping them by moving 3 million dollars. Thank you, chair. All right. Thank you. Colonel Miller. I'll be quick. Thank Chair through the chair. >> I just wanted to. I a couple comments about. Moving the needle 3 Million. Only moving the needle a little bit. And I know this is swinging back the other direction from my original comment of what I said, I prefer we do to be responsible physically. We py. 45 million to that. 62 million deficit. I know the otters can maybe checking out because mask always good. But that's about 72.0 5 1%. Of next year's deficit. To me, that's that's moving the needle. So just wanted to make that comment. I get I get the partial part about the 3 Million. But if that 45 million and that continues to count goes against next year's deficit. That's by 72 point. >> Or I think thank you all of Give a few comments hero and will close out the question in comments on the presentation will get to our agenda. So couple of couple of comments. And as the country's contribution to the more Florida builders I've had discussion with them in the past and about the online availability training and he's always presented back to me is once we get funded. Seeing potential funding. But I'm not here in the going to move toward on line train this day and age in the construction industry. Our in in town travel. And so when you have in the centre presence out of town and try to get them back 2 nights a week is impossible. And so we need I'd like to see something that's going really benefit the workforce because when we talk about affordable House and we and make make that a high priority? Well, you never going to get affordable housing unless we protect and in make sure our supply chains for affordable to before some affordable concrete, but also having the abundance and the the ability and projects. So one major aspect of affordable housing is our Florida is workforce being able to sustain and meet the need of the of the construction industry. So, yes, I'm a big supporter of that. Of. I graduated from Northeast Florida builders. And won't say when and through the legs go Part of contribute to sell cat, which is the overhead power line apprenticeship through the through the Union. And so I see both sides and in I want to see how we can bring in our all of our apprenticeship, all of our training and not be focused on certain certain groups. I think that would be fair. But I see this kind this bill where it gets kind of a quagmire is we've got cip projects. Ben included with our. Training and also the kind makes it a little difficult goes on just from what I've seen and no about light Unf right a hard no new initiative. Just this with what's out there. And and the taking place right now on. I don't me support and that and we can have a future about that as well. But with that, we'll go ahead conclude the presentation and a look forward to trying to be at the the public meetings that we have on that. So that will funnel up well as upper presentation. Appreciate everyone being here and we'll go ahead and move to. Our agenda. Let's run through it. Real quick, 2. Get feel on what will be doing. Item number one, 2024. 0, 9, 6, 6, will be deferred at the request to council PRESIDENT Carrico. I don't number 2. >> 2025, 0, 3, 6, Want to be deferred. At the request of Council member Weight. I don't 3 will be 2025, 0, 600 and and move item number 4, 2025, 0, 7, 2, 7, We'll take action I 2025, 0, 7, 6, fa. Will a man and re refer. Item 6, 2025, 0, 7, 6, 6, 1, Amanda take action 7, 2025, 0, 7, 6, 7, will take action item 8. 2025, 0, 7, 6, 8 will men to take action 0. Number 9, 2025, 0, 7, 6, 9 will manda take action. Item 2025. 0 some some 2 men to take action and will be taken that one 0nd. On the agenda. Item number 11, 2025, 0 sum sum for we'll take action. 12, 2025, 0, 7, 7, 6, will amend and take action. Item 13, 2025, 0, 7, 7, 7, and and take action. I don't 14, 2025, 0, 7, 7, 8 will mend and take action. I don't if team we've already taken action item 16, 2025, 0, 7, a one. Will be amended in and then suffering. >> To the chair. I would recommend that at since the introduces requesting a deferral, you would not take up the amendment because that might that the amendment MAY change depending on the further discussions that occur between now and then are the recommendations MAY change. So I would just recommend you different today. >> All right. You've is Mary will differ. >> Item 16, 2025, 0, 7, 8, 2, a. Opening continue. And then it will be a tougher roll And then item 18, 2025, 0, 7, 8, 3 will men to take action. 1920, 25, 0, 7, 9, 4, will ammend. That'll be changing to a substitute and we'll take action. Item. 2020, 2025, 0, 7, 1, man and take action. Item. 21 2025, 0, 7, 9, So we will be withdrawal in. The rest on seconds except for 2024. We're 2025, 0, 8, 1, 2, will meant some urgency and will mend and take action. And then we'll go through our seconds all right. So let's go back to item number 6 team. Go ahead, Anderson. Thank you. Chair through the chair to to marry. >> If an item is withdrawn, can that be introduced by another COUNCILMAN At a future date >> through the chair to Councilmember Salem, yes, thank you. >> All right. So that takes us to let's go to item number 16, 2025, 0, 7, 8, 1, I get a motion to Rogers differ. Okay. We know motions. That one is tougher. Let's go to item number 2025, 0, 7, 7, 2 and emotional Amendment Amendment. We've got a motion a Second Amendment MR. Peters. Apologize, MR. Chair the amendment on 2025, 7, 7, 2, is to correct a spelling and then also revised the change. >> To section one. 58 1, 0, one. 54 108, b, just to reference of Chapter 2.50, as it relates to downtown sidewalks. Sidewalk cafes, apologize. >> All right. COUNCILMAN Areas on the amendment the bill. Okay. MISS Mary. >> Our chair. I just want to make you aware there MAY be a request for an additional amendment MR. Ryan goal would be able to address that to see if a council member would be or it MAY be. Star is is prepared operate. So once you vote on this amendment before you take a motion on the bill, you just MAY want to allow for that request to come through for discussion before you move on. >> All right. Thank you. All right. I've got Motion and second on the amendment, ok? I've got a motion a second on the amendment. All in favor say yea, any opposed like was. Okay by your approve the amendment. No counselors, do you want to? >> All right. Thank you, MR. Cherry just want to kind of lab or a little bit more on this. I know that the items are devolved is here to speak on this as well, too. But just in a nutshell, this is the expansion of the perimeter of the district boundaries that we had. This legislation was actually filed back in 2011 some more than a decade ago. And it hasn't been updated since obviously we're doing heavy investment in downtown, not only what growth and and dollars and restaurants and bars. But what we're also doing is now is it expanding that perimeter that restaurant bars and cap a could start serving food on the sidewalks and alcohol too. So the ice here to kind of elaborate more on this. If you guys have any further questions on this part. Thank you. >> Do you counsel years? Do you want to call Mr and gold on the amendment? Sure. Mine on this might language you don't mind. Coming up here to talk about the amendment. Thank you very much. Don't read both the Officer, John Council, as I was preparing for this meeting today. Realized although we reference part of Chapter 2.50, >> it might not be a bad idea also refered reference part 9 of Chapter 2.50, which contains downtown sidewalk, not downtown sidewalk cafes and such that the adjacent see issue addressed in the bill is consistent between the downtown area and the other areas of the city that do permit sidewalk cafes just so that there's consistent consistency and chapter 2.50, and throughout the code. Other not be happy to answer any other questions. All right. >> We have a unit >> ok, I've got a motion and a second on the amendment. All Get some speakers in the queue. Ms Murray is out on the amendment. But asylum. Thank you, chair. I just want to clarify through the chair, MISTER Ron got. Are you suggesting with what you just said that >> business has an outside seating and other parts of the city. They can also serve alcohol out there as well as that. Want to urge you to say. >> Yeah, this bill is designed to clarify that issue and it's just to make sure that that clarification goes to the other parts of the city that do allow for outside seating. So the answer is yes, yes, thank you. >> Council tomorrow. >> thank you, MR. Chair just a >> and a quick question on on logic in and culpability as we open this, the. >> This avenue to allow. Businesses to be able to provide services to their customers on the sidewalk. Do we also expose ourselves to? Liabilities? Should someone? Today's crazy environment just inside the drive on the sidewalk and run these folks over. Or do we require the businesses to also take safety precautions? To ensure that the public who's not using the sidewalks to enjoy their their bare and hot dogs or whatever also implement some sort safety protocols. And I don't like that's in our wheelhouse. But I'm sitting here thinking that we open this avenue. We also expose the city. Should something go wrong? And in today's environment. >> chair to glad you brought that up. Actually won the points that I want to mention about this bill. Is that any sidewalk cafe or downtown Sidewalk cafe or downtown sidewalk are serving. They still have to meet all of the physical requirements that we all you have in our code that are designed to help protect b