1ST BUDGET HEARING FY 25-26

FINAL MINUTES

CITY OF DORAL

1ST BUDGET HEARING FY 25-26

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2025 06:00 P.M.

CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS

8401 N.W. 53rd TERRACE, 3rd FLOOR

DORAL, FL 33166

1)

Call to Order / Roll Call of Members

Meeting was called to order at 6:06 p.m. All members were present. (00:00:01)

Mayor Christi Fraga

Present

Vice Mayor Maureen Porras

Present

Councilwoman Digna Cabral

Present

Councilman Rafael Pineyro

Present

Councilwoman Nicole Reinoso

Present

Also present were:

Zeida C. Sardiñas, City Manager

Connie Diaz, City Clerk

Gastesi, Lopez, Mestre & Cobiella, PLLC., City Attorney

2)

Pledge of Allegiance

3)

Agenda / Order of Business

4)

Public Comments (00:00:03)

A resident addressed the Council and spoke about DOGE.

A resident addressed the Council and spoke about the millage rate.

A resident addressed the Council and spoke about lowering the millage rate.

A resident addressed the Council and spoke about lowering the millage rate.

A resident addressed the Council and spoke about lowering the millage rate.

A resident addressed the Council and spoke about property tax relief.

A resident addressed the Council and spoke about property taxes.

5)

Consent Agenda (00:16:01)

Motion to approve item 5A on Consent made by Councilman Pineyro and seconded by Councilwoman Reinoso. By consensus, motion passes unanimously.

Special Council Meeting CITY OF DORAL Meeting Agenda - Final (Revised) DORAL GOVERNMENT CENTER 8401 NW 53 TERRACE DORAL, FLORIDA 33166 Mayor Christi Fraga Vice Mayor Maureen Porras Councilwoman Digna Cabral Councilman Rafael Pineyro Councilwoman Nicole Reinoso Charter Officials Zeida C. Sardiñas, City Manager Connie Diaz, City Clerk Gastesi, Lopez, Mestre & Cobiella, PLLC., City Attorney Council Chambers6:00 PMWednesday, September 3, 2025 1st Budget Hearing FY 25-26 Revision Date 8/28/25 1) Call to Order / Roll Call of Members 2) Pledge of Allegiance 3) Agenda / Order of Business 4) Public Comments 5) Consent Agenda Page 1CITY OF DORAL

September 3, 2025Special Council Meeting Meeting Agenda - Final (Revised) 5A 25-6312 A RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DORAL FLORIDA, APPROVING AETNA AS THE CITY’S HEALTH AND DENTAL CARE INSURANCE PROVIDER, MUTUAL OF OMAHA FOR LIFE, SHORT-TERM, AND LONG-TERM DISABILITY INSURANCE; AND HUMANA FOR VISION INSURANCE AND ANCILLARY BENEFITS EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 2025; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY ATTORNEY AS TO FORM AND LEGAL SUFFICIENCY, AND TO EXPEND BUDGETED FUNDS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY IN FURTHERANCE HEREOF; PROVIDING FOR IMPLEMENTATION; PROVIDING FOR INCORPORATION OF RECITALS; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE Sponsors: Human Resources Memo Exhibit A - Letter of Recommendation Exhibit B - Aetna Insurance Worksheet Exhibit B - Aetna Dental Renewal Package Exhibit B - Humana Vision Renewal Res. No. 25-Approval of Health Insurance FY 25-26 Attachments: 6) Public Hearings Page 2CITY OF DORAL

September 3, 2025Special Council Meeting Meeting Agenda - Final (Revised) 6A 25-6323 A RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DORAL, FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING AND ADOPTING A TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE AND LEVY OF AD VALOREM TAXES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 IN THE AMOUNT OF 1.7166 MILLS, WHICH IS 8.13% GREATER THAN THE ROLLED-BACK RATE, TO BALANCE THE GENERAL FUND FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026; ESTABLISHING THE ROLLED BACK RATE TO BE 1.5875 MILLS; ESTABLISHING AND ADOPTING THE DEBT SERVICE MILLAGE RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 IN THE AMOUNT OF .4810 MILLS FOR THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS PARKS AND RECREATION PROJECTS, SERIES 2019 AND SERIES 2021; PROVIDING FOR IMPLEMENTATION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE Sponsors: Finance Memo Exhibit A - LTC No. 008-2025 - TRIM (July) Exhibit B - 2025 Certification of Taxable Value July 1st Estimate Exhibit C - Assessment Roll 2025 June 1st Estimate Exhibit D - Millage Alternatives provided to Council FY 2026 Res. No. 25-Adopting a Tentative Millage Rate FY 25-26 Attachments: Page 3CITY OF DORAL

September 3, 2025Special Council Meeting Meeting Agenda - Final (Revised) First Reading 6B 25-6324 Ordinance #2025-36 “Adopting the Budget for FY 25-26” AN ORDINANCE OF THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DORAL, FLORIDA, FINALIZING AND ADOPTING THE BUDGETS FOR THE GENERAL FUND; THE TRANSPORTATION FUND; THE PEOPLE’S TRANSPORTATION PLAN FUND; THE PARK IMPACT FEE FUND; THE POLICE IMPACT FEE FUND; THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TECHNOLOGY FEE FUND; THE BUILDING FUND; THE PUBLIC ARTS PROGRAM FUND; THE DEBT SERVICE FUND; THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND; THE CAPITAL ASSET RESERVE FUND; THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND; THE PARKS GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND - SERIES 2021 CAPITAL PROJECT FUND; THE STORMWATER FUND; THE OTHER POST EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FUND; ESTABLISHING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS DIVISION AND RETITLING THE OFFICE OF CHARTER ENFORCEMENT TO THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE CITY OF DORAL, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2026, AS REVIEWED, MODIFIED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE MEETINGS HELD ON SEPTEMBER 3, 2025 AND SEPTEMBER 17, 2025; AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS APPROPRIATED IN THE BUDGET; AUTHORIZING THE LEVY AND COLLECTION OF TAXES ON REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY AND OTHER REVENUES NECESSARY TO MEET THE EXPENDITURES PROVIDED IN THE BUDGET; SPECIFYING THE METHOD BY WHICH GRANTS AND GIFTS ARE ADDRESSED IN THE BUDGET, PROVIDING FOR TRANSMITTAL BY THE CITY CLERK; PROVIDING FOR IMPLEMENTATION; PROVIDING FOR INCORPORATION OF RECITALS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE Sponsors: Finance Memo Exhibit A - Summary of Changes to FY 2026 Proposed Budget Updated Proposed Line Item Budget FY 25-26 Ord. No. 2025-36 Adopting the Budget for FY 25-26 Attachments: 7) Adjournment Page 4CITY OF DORAL

September 3, 2025Special Council Meeting Meeting Agenda - Final (Revised) Notice to the Public Any person who acts as a lobbyist pursuant to City of Doral Resolution No. 2007-31 and Section 2-11.1(s) of the Miami-Dade County Conflict of Interest and Code of Ethics Ordinance, must register with the City Clerk prior to engaging in lobbying activities before city staff, boards, committees, commissions and/or the City Council. Pursuant to Florida Statute 286.0105, anyone wishing to appeal any decision made by the City Council with respect to any matter considered at this meeting or hearing shall need a record of the proceedings and, for such purpose, may need to ensure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made, which record includes the testimony and evidence upon which the appeal is to be based. Page 5CITY OF DORAL

--When I announced that these public comments is open for reasonable opportunity. Please see the clerk after to make sure you fill out a common card or register with her. You have three minutes to speak in a respectful manner to this council on anything that is on this agenda or germane to our city. So I will go ahead and start with Amelia Douglas or I'm sorry, I think it says Douglas here. Delgado. Sorry, Delgado. Name and address for the record, please. >> Hello, Good evening. I once said I have been living here in Doral for 25 years and pretend to stay here. Thank you Major for everything that you did. But I have some concern lately because I want to know why City of Doral don't join the Florida Department of Efficiency Dodge or why that was included in the April 25 meeting. Also it was included in June four council meeting. And what Dodge came to this country is to help off to be more efficiency. And we are talking now about the taxes. So I want to know when city of dollar is going to join voluntarily to go with Dodge. Because if we're going to have everything move better. The efficiency with the money is one of the most important thing for everybody here. Because everybody here is because the taxes is to see how you. You they are our representative and we trust you put it the money. But the money have to be efficiency. Not in like silly scenes because now we have to be efficiency. All the government, all the world now want to be efficiency. So I want to know when you us you know as the city going to join voluntarily to Dutch. >> So just to clarify, we do not have a table discussion during public comments. This is not a debate opportunity. We don't answer from here. So you can absolutely put all your comments on the record. The next person will come and then we'll have either someone from staff or our staff address the situation or maybe it'll be clarified during the council meeting. >> So, this open is not for just any. So why now I have to came here to talk if I want to have any answer to you guys. Because we both for you. You know, I vote for all of you and you don't gave me answer that is you know concern everybody here. Because the efficiency of the city is the most important thing. >> So we have rules of decorum and unfortunately public comments is to put your comments on the record. We may answer it, but it's not going to be in this format. You have three minutes to speak. I would suggest you finish all your comments and then stay for the meeting so you can hear. And I'm sure your items will be addressed when we. We have to. When I have going to have the answer. >> We are going to have. I would stay and watch the meeting. I'm sure you're going to have all your answers during the meeting. I'm certain of that. So you're going to send me an email or something? No, no, no. Stay for the meeting and you're going to have your answers during the meeting, but we cannot have a debate. >> Okay. Thank you very much for your comments. We appreciate it. The next person is Jose. >> Good evening Mayor Fraga and council members. My name is Jose Donis, president of Doral for some years. I'm here also. My address is 3861 Alcantara Avenue. I'm here in favor of the rollback the city of Doral property tax millage to 1.5875 from the current and proposed property tax millage. The rollback property tax millage of 1.5875 has been proposed by the county property appraisal office and is listed in my trim notice. My trim notice reflects paying less property taxes with the rollback than the proposed and current property tax millage which in fact the city would have an increase in revenues. Homeowners the rollback property tax millage of 1.578 important services such as public safe, public safety, parks and recreation, city services and transportation, among others will not be affected. City employees I know deserve good salaries and benefits. But please don't make over accommodations with any group with our tax money. Between property taxes, homeowners association fees, home insurance, I'm getting shafted. We are getting by all those expenses. It's time to roll back to 1.5875 property tax millage and give us at least some tax relief as any budget, even a household budget. My house it has goals but also has waste. The proposed 2025, 2026 total budget is not the exemption. If you all have concerns and want to prioritize fiscal responsibility, start with all the fact in all 17 city department. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Donis. Rachel Maor. >> Good evening Mayor and city council members. Rachel Maser from 7,957 Northwest 54th Street. I wanted to thank you for having us tonight. I'm here also like many other speakers to ask you to please roll back the millage. Our property values have increased tremendously on paper, but our income has not. So our taxes have pretty much doubled. in the last few years. Our property insurance is not affordable. We literally can't carry windstorm. So I am begging you to please consider the people and the businesses that have supported Doral and support us by rolling back the millage to a rate. that maintains your budget but doesn't kill us in the process. We'll be leaving after speaking, but we'll be tuning in remotely. Thank you for considering our ask. >> Thank you very much. >> Mayor, Vice mayor and council members. My name is Tall Mazur. My company is the place for tile. I'm at 7,957 Northwest 54th Street. My family business was established in 1979. A child of immigrants, my family moved here, opened a business by the falls, and in 1992, bought our building in Doral. We've seen everything. We've seen cows across the street changed. to a beautiful school. We were even given the honor to provide the stone for the lobby you. see every single day when you come to work. But the burden of the taxes has become such that my status quo can't be maintained. I'm not a wealthy landowner or property owner. My. I can't raise rent on myself to match what is now, over the last decade, a 300% increase in my taxes. 2024, my taxes were $78,000. That is an employee that I can't afford to hire because I have to pay for the building. The building doesn't do anything different than it did in 1992, but it costs me much, much more every year. What we're asking is not for you to cut your budget. Rolling back the millage allows you to maintain your budget. It is not going to hurt Doral, but it's going to help is business owners like myself. I'm not again asking for you guys to do anything less. Doral is a beautiful city. You done beautiful things with it. And my family's been here from the beginning to watch it happen. My parents handed down the business to me in 2001. I have two kids in college. I would love to hand down my business to my children in Doral. I do not want to have to shut my doors or move out of this beautiful city because I simply can't afford to stay in the building that I've owned for over 40 years. Thank you so much and thank you for your consideration. >> Thank you. Melina Rodriguez de Toria. >> Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. Very glad to see you all as elected officials because most of you we supported and obviously very glad that you're there right now. And you, you have made so many good decisions and the city is A beautiful city with activities, with great infrastructure. So we have a great city and obviously we want to keep it that way. I agree with the many people that have come forward here. That's another reason why I'm here. Basically the same as day to ask for lower taxes, a lower mileage rate. Basically, I think the main infrastructure of the city of already has been built so we don't really need other major expenses. I'm concerned about the 44,000 square feet facility, you know, parking, pickleball, whatever, everything that's included. Retail. What is the roi? The return on investment on that. It's very important, very delicate because we may be pouring millions of dollars into a facility that may not give us a return on investment. Investment. And we're better off not doing it. So that's something that we definitely want to follow up on and understand the council better. And then a couple of other things, minor things. The 25th street, the markings are disappearing in some sections and lighting is off at night in some sections. So there's, there's needed repairs there. And it would be awesome to add trees. Trees to the exercise pathways in 25th street and other areas of the city would be nice, you know, and I think that's in the, the bonds too. It could be included. So basically those are the concerns. And left hand turns. I think I sent an email to the council about the left hand turns. There's. Especially when there's traffic, you'll notice it. It's actually dangerous and we hope the police can do something about it. Thank you. I trust that you're going to make very good decisions about all of this and especially the taxes. We need lower taxes. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Luis Valdez. >> Good evening. My name is Luis Valdez. I'm a proud resident of the city of Doral. I am an attorney and a business owner. And I'm proud to say that both of those are located here in the city of Doral. I'm very proud of this city, but. And I want to thank you for all the great work you've done for our great city to really put us on the map. But I really want to stress just like how others have mentioned before to please give us some kind of property tax relief. We've seen increases in terms of special assessments with our HOA's. We've seen increases of insurance costs. We've seen other general cost of living expenses. And so I humbly ask that you please consider to not just keep our rates low, but to reduce them even further in a responsible Manner where even if we need a little bit more extra revenue, you. You can still do that and even lower the military just a little bit. I encourage you. It's a possible win win solution in terms of lowering taxes, receiving revenues and making everyone happy. And I encourage you to please take this opportunity to. And I know you cannot control every aspect of our lives and all the financial challenges that we're going through, but in this one aspect, with the property tax military, to please consider lower rates for all of us so that we can keep our city affordable, we can keep our city accessible, and so we can continue to raise our families in this wonderful city. Thank you so much. >> Thank you, Mr. Valtez. Vicente. >> Good evening. Vicente with address at 4455 Northwest 102 Place. Pleasure to be able to be here for all of you again. The city of Doral is not known to be a 55 and over community by no doubt. But I'm sure there are many owners, residents, but mainly owners that are over the age of 55 and maybe depend on a fixed income to be able to remain living here in the city. Maybe it is time for the council. I'm not sure if this is. You have the purview, the authority to do it, but maybe it is time for the council to consider giving the senior citizens, the people over 65 like myself, a little break on their property taxes. Thank you. Have a good evening. >> Okay. Sorry, just making a note. All right. Anyone else would like to speak on public comments? I've exhausted the comment cards that have been filled out previously. Any other public comments, now is your time. Okay, being done. Public comments is now closed. Madam Clerk, would you please help us with the instructions for today's meeting? >> Absolutely, Madam Mayor. And good evening, everybody. Today's budget hearing, the instructions are as follows. The first item on the agenda is an item on the consent agenda. Then following that, you will have two items. You would have the millage item and you would have the budget ordinance. It will be as follows. You would take the discussion on the millage rate, allow the administration to make the presentation, and then table that item. Then you will move on to the ordinance, allow the administration to make the presentation, discuss any budgetary changes, and then table the item. Then you will go back to the resolution, take from the table the resolution, discuss it, have a public hearing on the item, and then vote. Then you will go to the ordinance, take the ordinance from the table, discuss the budget, have a public hearing on the budget, and then vote. >> Okay? All right. Anybody have any questions about the Instructions? No. Okay, well, we hope you'll stay for the rest of the meeting. We're going to go ahead into our items and I'm going to go ahead and have the clerk read in item. Actually, I'm sorry. We need a motion on the consent agenda. Forgot about the consent agenda. I need a motion on consent agenda. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion to approve by councilman Pinedo. Second by Councilwoman Reynoso. Madam clerk, please call the roll. All in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Okay now, we'll go into the actual public hearing items. Madam clerk, please read into The Record Item 6A. >> Item 6A. A resolution of the mayor and the city council of the city of Doral Florida. Establishing and adopting a tentative millage rate in levy valorum taxes for fiscal year 2526 in the amount of 1.7166 mills, which is 8.13% greater than the rollback rate to balance the general fund for fiscal year 2526, establishing the rollback rate to be 1.5875 mils. Establishing and adopting the debt service millage rate for fiscal year 2526 in the amount of 0.4810 mills for the general obligation bonds Parks and recreation projects series 2019 and 2021, providing implementation and providing for an effective date. >> Okay, I'm going to go ahead and open up public comments once again for this item. Public comments is now open. Anyone would like to speak on this item and this item alone, please approach the podium. It's the military. 25. 6323. It's what you all just already spoke about. Okay, Public comments is now closed. And now we will hear from the administration. >> Good evening, mayor and council members. At the July 30, 2025 special council meeting, the city council set a preliminary operating millage rate of 1.7166 mils, keeping the same millage rate as in the prior fiscal year 2024. 2025 with a rollback rate of 1.5875. The debt service military rate was also kept at 4810 for fiscal year 2025. 2026. At this time, if there are no questions for staff, the administration is requesting a motion to table this item. >> Okay. We need a motion to table. >> Motion to table. >> Second. >> Motion to table. Councilman Veno. Second by Councilwoman Reynoso. Madam Clerk. Roll call on the motion to table. >> [ ROLL CALL ] >> Motion passes. >> Okay, so we've tabled the item. We're going to take up the budget item so that we can have a discussion on that and then we will bring back the item on the mitted rate. Madam clerk, please go ahead and read into the item 6B. >> First reading item 6B. Please bear with me. Ordinance number 2025 36. Adopting the budget for fiscal year 2526, an ordinance of the mayor of the city council of the city of Doral, Florida. Finalizing and adopting the budgets for the General fund, the Transportation fund, the people's Transportation Plan fund, the Park Impact Fee fund, the Police Impact Fee fund, the Development Services Technology Fee fund, the Building Fund, the Public Arts Program fund, the Debt Service fund, the Capital Improvements fund, the Capital Asset Reserve fund, the Vehicle Replacement Fund, the Parks General obligation bond series 2021 capital project fund, the Stormwater Fund, the other Post Employment Benefits fund. Establishing the capital Improvements project division and retitling the office of charter enforcement to the office of Inspector General of city of Doral for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2025 and ending September 30, 2026, as reviewed, modified and approved by the city council at the meetings held on September 3, 2025 and September 17, 2025. Authorizing the expenditure of funds appropriated in the budget. Authorizing the levy and collection of taxes on real and personal property and other revenues necessary to meet the expenditures provided in the budget. Specifying the methods by which grants and gifts are addressed in the budget. Providing for transmittal by the city clerk. Implementation, incorporation or recital, Severability conflicts and ineffective date. >> Okay, I'm going to go ahead and open up public comments on this item. Public comments is now open. This is our item on the actual budget. Any public comments being none. Public comments is now closed and we will hear from staff once again. >> Good evening, mayor and council members. I'm pleased to present the city of Doral's updated proposed operating and capital budget for for fiscal year 2025. 2026, beginning October 1st of 2025 and ending September 30th, 2026. The proposed FY2526 budget is guided by and is consistent with the vision, mission, core values and goals and objectives of the city of Doral. The overall budget is prepared to meet the criteria of the council's strategic priorities. It also reflects administration's commitment to sound financial and operational practices that realize our growing community's needs and expectations for exceptional services. The fiscal year 2026 updated proposed budget is presented here, is based on the proposed millage rate of 1.7166 mils. This proposed budget remains a balanced budget with the use of reserves only for capital outlay and transfers out to capital improvement funds. On August 13, 2025, the City Council conducted a public workshop to discuss the proposed budget. The recommendations made at the workshop are included in the updated proposed budget and are as a Doral Goldenheart Senior Grant program, a Doral Emergency Hardship Grant for families and Doral Seats Business Grant. Additionally, the proposed budget has been updated for changes in revenue projections and expenditures detailed in Exhibit A. As your City Manager, I would like to express my sincere appreciation to the members of the City Council for their continued guidance and support throughout the development of this proposed budget. At this time, I will turn the presentation over to Finance Director Solangel Perez. >> Good evening, Mayor and City Council members, Madam Clerk, City Manager and City Attorney Solangel Perez, Finance Director. The fiscal year 2026 updated proposed budget remains a balanced budget with the use of reserves only for capital outlay and transfer to capital improvement funds. The budget is balanced with an in use of fund balance in the amount of 18,970,368, which equals the total capital expenditures for fiscal year 2026. The total general fund proposed expenditures for fiscal year 2026 are 118,003,105. On August 13, 2025, City Council conducted a public workshop to discuss the proposed budget as stated by the City Manager. The recommendations made at the workshop are included in the updated proposed budget as well as changes in revenues, projections and expenditures, and they're fully detailed in exhibit A. At this time, I would like to share with you how these budget dollars are spent with a short presentation. In summary, for every dollar paid to the city in ad valorem taxes, as shown on this graph, 35 cents goes towards funding police, 14 cents goes towards parks, 7 cents towards public works, and 2 cents for planning and zoning code compliance and debt service respectively. 38 cents accounts for general government. This includes it finance, City attorney's office, Mayor and council, City manager's office, City Clerk, Human resources and public affairs. I thank you and I welcome questions that you may have at this time regarding the budget. Thank you. >> All right, so I just want to lay out a couple ground rules as we go into this. Now, I want to just say to all my colleagues that this is our time to have an open conversation. Even though we've already had a budget, we want to be sure that we move forward in the best way, in the best way possible. Let's be responsible with the information our residents deserve truth, not politics. Tonight we vote with numbers and pages and true transparency. If there are proposals for reoccurring operating cuts, now is the time to make them. So your final proposals? No, now is the time to have the conversation. >> Motion to table. >> Yeah, I think we need to have the conversation now because we're going to then vote on the millage. We can't be having proposals for budget changes later. No, we need to discuss the budget first. So right now we need to do the presentation of the budget. So once we have our discussion on the budget, once we have our discussion on the budget, then we will put vote to table. Then we will take up the millage. Vote on the millage and then vote on the budget. But if we don't have consensus on the budget, then we're going to vote on a millage with possible changes to a budget and then we'll have a millage that doesn't balance on the budget. So now is the time to have the conversation on the budget. So anybody who has proposals, and again, I think it's extremely important that we remember that we had a budget workshop. So we're not going to have a repeat of last year. We're going to talk about making proposals with page numbers and citations of this budget. So if you're coming with actual operating cuts so that we can actually fund a rollback rate, I want to know it. I need cited numbers, not one time cuts because that does not fund a rollback rate. A rollback rate is in perpetuity. We lose funding forever. So it can't be one time cuts. We cannot fund a rollback with one time costs. It must be operating. So we are here to balance, to approve a balanced budget. We cannot approve a millage rate and then make changes to the budget because then we don't have a balanced budget. So we need to do that now. We need to talk about the budget now, make our proposals now so that if there's consensus on something, they can figure it out. We do have a second reading, but now would be the time when we take the vote up for the budget, the final vote for the budget. We should have already hashed out any changes that need to be made. Is that understood? So now we need to have the discussion on the budget. Anybody that would like to have discussions about the budget. But again, let's be responsible with the information we're putting out. This is not a place to play politics. We need to have discussion with numbers and cited pages when we take up the budget item again in the next time we hear it, which will be for the vote. We should not be making changes at that time. It should be taken up only for the vote. So anybody would like to start? >> I'll start. >> Yes. Okay. Vice Mayor, of course. >> So just to clarify, we're not following the order that the clerk sent? Right. We're not discussing the proposed millage rate resolution? >> We will. After we. After we have a discussion about the budget. Right. >> So we're changing the order. I want to confirm. It says, first we're discussing the millage, then the budget. So now we're. We're discussing the budget before the millage. >> Is that correct? >> That's... >> We cannot have a conversation about the millage until we have an approved clarification. >> On whether we're switching the order that's on this paper. >> Yes. We're not going to table the item right now. We will table it after our discussion. Okay. >> [ CROSSTALK ] >> Yes, it is. It's right here. Yeah. I'm sorry I didn't have this paper in front of me, but it is discuss budget, reach a consensus and then table the tentative budget item. So I'm not changing the order. It is the exact instructions that we've always done it this way. >> So the first one says open a discussion on the proposed millage rate item. That's right above that. So we didn't have a discussion. >> We didn't have a discussion on it. It was tabled. But we still have the opportunity to have a discussion on it after this because we'r