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901 Ponce de Leon Blvd. Belleair, FL 33756 Town of Belleair Meeting Minutes Public Meeting 2:00 PMMonday, April 10, 2023 Finance and Infrastructure Boards Joint Meeting Meeting was called to order at 2 PM with Shon Flaharty presiding. Finance Board: Lawrence Copp Patrick Maguire Kathleen Perrott John Hail Infrastructure Board: Shon Flaharty George Mariani Gayle Grady Joe Oder CITIZENS COMMENTS No citizens comments GENERAL AGENDA 23-0052 Indian Rocks Road Discussion and Determination of Recommendation Gay Lancaster, Town Manager, introduced Adam Klinstiver who is the consulting engineer from Consor. Jay Daigneault, Town Attorney spoke on right-of-way, previous plans on golf course were approved but constructed outside of approved plans; will need to determine what to do in area; Belleair Country Club will need to vacate or town can enter into an agreement for row use. Mr. Oder questioned row encroachment; Ms. Lancaster addressed. Mr. Mariani questioned if conflict with current path and utilities/construction; Mr. Klinstiver addressed, will discuss options fully. Page 1Town of Belleair Printed on 3/4/2025

April 10, 2023Public Meeting Meeting Minutes Ms. Lancaster provided information regarding Belleair Country Club meeting; concerns from club regarding effects to course; staff has reviewed, project at a standstill as all items are related; Commission special session tomorrow, then a decision on the 18th. Mr. Mariani requested clarification on the right-of-way; Ms. Lancaster addressed. Mr. Klinstiver spoke on phase 1 of the project; options are to keep the 10ft path or revise plans to 5ft sidewalk; keeping path fully conforms and funding can be kept; if going to 5ft plan, would need additional funding by EOR to revise plans, contractor pricing negotiations, will lose all state funding, EOR would additionally request a hold harmless agreement if not providing for cyclists. Ms. Perrott questioned if 10ft path is required for state funding; Mr, Klinstiver affirmed. Ms. Lancaster spoke on need to provide safe passage in both directions. Mr. Hail questioned if golf carts could use; Lancaster stated they could not. Mr. Copp spoke on funding with shared use; no shared use, then there is no funding; Mr. Klinstiver affirmed. Discussion ensued regarding 10ft being standard; funding will be lost in all phases if removed. Mr. Oder questioned status; Lancaster spoke on previous Commission decision, ability to modify now. Mr. Klinstiver spoke on phase 3; provided image of area showing 12ft from roadway; spoke on options; keep as designed; shifting to East side of road would require an estimate of 9 million in costs, right-of-way agreement existing with many current homes, would not be able to have sidewalk on west side as required. Board discussion regarding path; crossing areas; Mr. Klinstiver stated that if on east side, it would cross 7 side streets; option with 5ft sidewalks on both sides, costs $7 million no impacts, loss of funding due to removal of multi modal path. Mr. Mariani questioned ordinance; new construction vs reconstruction; Ms. Lancaster clarified. Gayle Grady questioned if moving to two 5ft sections; as in phase 1 would EOR want and indemnity statement; Mr. Klinstiver affirmed. Mr. Klinstiver spoke on phase 2 options; 1. keep 10ft path, no impacts to residents, slight roadway shift near Sunny Ln, right-of-way acquisition may be required or may need to realign, keep funding. Option 2, if try to move East, no current costs but based on current numbers, estimate of $5.5 million, path to go though Hunter or down Gardenia; keep state funding, Ms. Grady provided comment; Mr. Klinstiver stated East side phase 1 crossing at 4-way stop then continuing West for remainder. Mr. Klinstiver stated Phase 2 also requires roundabout reconstruction; any modification to path will lose funding. Ms. Lancaster spoke on receipt of commitments for funding phase 1 & 3 and anticipates phase 2. Page 2Town of Belleair Printed on 3/4/2025

April 10, 2023Public Meeting Meeting Minutes Mr. Klinstiver showed photos of multimodal path constructed in Largo, Also showed sidewalks bordering BCC on most sides, showed photos of cart paths and tees in those areas. Mr. Flaharty recapped location proposed as most functional and receiving of funds. John Hail questioned if Mehlenbacher will have same pathway; Lancaster unsure as it is a county project; Town is funding water lines not roadway. Mr. Mariani not opposed to losing funding. Andy Neiswonger-resident-Director of Facilities and Operation for BCC-spoke on property line; stakes during construction, able to move cart path; golf course safety setbacks based on center-points of greens, tees, etc.; 14 green center-point and moving pathway closer. Mr. Mariani spoke on if roadway shifts east, additional costs and roadway stabilization concerns; keeping on west would not disturb additional right-of-way and funding. Mr. Hail questioned new walkway on bridge; Mr. Klinestiver addressed. Ms. Perrott spoke on sidewalks on Druid being within fairway range; Mr. Neiswonger affirmed it is in area; spoke on 14 green area being smallest. Mr. Flaharty questioned if club is at greater risk; Mr. Neiswonger affirmed, club is responsible. Mike Kase-VP of BCC-spoke on volume of traffic on road; proximity to green; safety concerns; golf statistics; installing a net. Mr. Maguire spoke on timing and construction; Mr. Kase spoke on permit timeline and state application timeline; Mr. Daigneault spoke on right-of-way line didn't move, fixed line; club made assumptions what was in right-of-way would never change; no requirement for the Town to put up a net; course constructed; primary liability lies with golfer, based on circumstances; Town not building into property that is not owned by Town. Mr. Flaharty and Mr. Mariani in support of keeping where it is. Mr. Kase provided comment regarding construction of course; Mr. Flahary questioned what he is proposing; Mr. Kase would like phase 3 to not be constructed. Mr. Shaughnessey-General Manager BCC- questioned if it will connect with trail in Largo; Mr. Flaharty stated it will not; questioned if board has seen application or study. Mr. Copp questioned if consistent with Strategic Plan; Mr. Lancaster stated it is; Mr. Copp read part of community survey, pedestrian options, multi modal, etc.; and how relates to Strategic Plan; Ms. Lancaster spoke on previous support for project, responsibility to make a recommendation for safety. Tom DuPont-resident and BCC member-spoke on focus should be on safety; risk of being hit on course as well; think of safety and usability for the town people, making roadway safer. Mr. Flaharty and Mr. Maguire are in support of safer transit. Page 3Town of Belleair Printed on 3/4/2025

April 10, 2023Public Meeting Meeting Minutes Shon Flaharty moved to go along with what we have see so far with the I, II, and III east side and west side using state funding and provide to the Commissioners. No second. No vote taken. Diane Campbell-resident-spoke on addition of a barrier to protect path users; would like to see picture as project progresses; keep it on west side. Discussion: Mr. Copp asked to address Phase III; reference the fact that they proceed on the west side. Mr. Flaharty provided clarification for the phases. Shon Flaharty moved that we send to the commissioners that we follow the current course of what aligns with state funding. Seconded by George Mariani. Aye: Flaharty, Hail, Perrott, Mariani, Copp, Maguire, Oder, and Grady8 - 23-0053 Water Discussion Outline Ms. Lancaster spoke on history and what the Commission tasked her with; Black and Veech Consultants and Stantek hired by county to analyze and provide a proposal; introduced Pick Talley who formally ran Pinellas County Utilities, handled all acquisitions by county since 1970. Mr. Flaharty requested a recap for audience. Mr. Talley spoke on wells, water plant aging and unable to remove all chemicals TTHMS; plant water meets regulations currently but TTHMS in water are on borderline and something needs done, water is safe to drink; currently doing a pilot study and; looking at options to have county take over system; county is asking $4.2 million in addition to water system for them to accept system and customers; nowhere in the county has a utility sold a system and also had to pay additional money; piping issue; spoke on cast iron pipe and galvanized steel pipe, industry has moved to a new material; county wants to replace all cast iron and galvanized steel upfront which is how they calculated cost proposed; looked at various pipe locations and it is still good; spoke on situations where pipe would be removed, none apply in this case; pipe generally gets replaced during a renewal project; county estimates $13 million to replace all now vs overtime replacement; not best management practices, one more meeting is scheduled with county to discuss this further; spoke on volume of county owned pipe. Mr. Copp spoke on data being two-years-old and pipe has been replaced that is not included in percentages; Mr. Tally affirmed. Mr. Tally states all numbers will be trued up if they would like to look into a contract; also things like reader system which we have. Ms. Lancaster spoke on costs we would be liable for if going into their system; we would be taking on their forward moving expenses; feels they are not wanting us to be part of system; other options are available. Mr. Tally stated one more meeting is needed; should not be charging the Town to take over system. Mr. Flaharty spoke on need to hear short or intermediate term solutions. Page 4Town of Belleair Printed on 3/4/2025

April 10, 2023Public Meeting Meeting Minutes Ms. Lancaster stated best option is doing a wholesale purchase of water through Pinellas County. Mr. Copp requested clarification on system; component pieces of well, plant and distribution; Mr. Tally addressed; plant can't keep up with things increasing, nothing wrong with distribution system, no need to replace pipes; Mr. Copp spoke on their analysis of 30 years. Mr. Tally spoke on pilot study, if works, have time to review further options; option to buy on wholesale basis and keep distribution system while looking at other options; if keeping plant, you would need to rebuild significant portions; spoke on source of Tampa Bay Water, Pinellas receives from them and adds rates; spoke on new treatment technologies and what can be done today with wells and water quality; potential to blend water as in Dunedin and Clearwater. Discussion ensued regarding prior RO system quotes. Ms. Lancaster stated her recommendation for wholesale agreement with the county and look into alternatives; consent order will be gone, have a stable supply of potable water, potential to look to Clearwater for an agreement with blended water; State of Florida and SWFWMD has funds available and they support local resources; fund interconnects with an estimate 150,000 then can pursue other options or revise county proposal; wholesale will buy time, more pipes will be replaces as capital projects continue; county is comfortable with entering into a continuing open-ended wholesale agreement. Discussion ensued regarding ability to terminate agreement when needed; potential for perpetuity of purchasing water; taking time to look for other potentials. Ms. Lancaster spoke on costs of wholesale water; would need to absorb a 54% increase in costs to purchase the water; spoke on typical bills, would see approximately 50% increase to bill; potential to use water reserves to supplement bill and lower impact to homeowners. Mr. Flaharty spoke on potential for future increase and setting precedent; Ms. Lancaster addressed, feels this is the prudent approach. Ms. Lancaster spoke on option to sell to private, but would lose control; also a Florida government system, FGUS, which would allow us to buy back after a time. Ms. Grady spoke in support of proposed recommendation; purchasing wholesale gives flexibility to do option analysis on best long term solution. Mr. Maguire questioned if reduction in expenses for wholesale option; Ms. Lancaster addressed. Diane Campbell-resident-spoke on water quality report; long-term resident; questioned consent decree; questioned if water needs to be boiled; questioned company. Ms. Lancaster stated TTHM level is not harmful, currently doing pilot test with DEP to remediate TTHMS; no boil water order; results expected within 90 days of chemicals. Mr. Maguire questioned how soon interconnects can be put in place; Ms. Lancaster awaiting response from county. Shon Flaharty moved to enter into a wholesale agreement with Pinellas County, pay for the Page 5Town of Belleair Printed on 3/4/2025

April 10, 2023Public Meeting Meeting Minutes interconnects from reserves, and continue to explore future options. Seconded by George Mariani. Aye: Flaharty, Hail, Perrott, Mariani, Copp, Maguire, Oder, and Grady8 - ADJOURNMENT No. Further business; meeting adjourned in due form at 4:08 PM. George Mariani moved to adjourn; Seconded by Kathleen Perrott. Aye: Flaharty, Hail, Perrott, Mariani, Copp, Maguire, Oder, and Grady8 - SUBMITTED: _________________________________ Town Clerk Page 6Town of Belleair Printed on 3/4/2025

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