Transportation, Energy & Utilities Committee

Tuesday, February 3, 2026 9:30 AM City of Jacksonville 117 W. Duval Street Jacksonville, FL 32202 Agenda - Revised Marked Council Chamber, 1st Floor, City Hall Transportation, Energy & Utilities Committee Will Lahnen, Chair Ju’Coby Pittman, Vice Chair Rahman Johnson Ken Amaro Matt Carlucci Reggie Gaffney, Jr. Tyrona Clark-Murray Legislative Assistant: Rebecca Bolton Council Auditor's Office: Edward Linsky Council Research: Brandon Russell Office of General Counsel: Carla Schell Administration: Bill Delaney

Transportation, Energy & Utilities Committee Agenda - Revised Marked February 3, 2026 COUNCIL RULE 4.505 DISRUPTION OF MEETING Any person who disrupts a regular meeting of the City Council, standing committees, special or select committees, sub-committees or any other public meeting presided over by a City Council Member may be forthwith barred, removed, or otherwise ejected, in the discretion of the presiding officer, from further attendance at that meeting. If necessary, due to the nature of the disruption, the audience may be cleared from the Council Chambers or meeting location in the discretion of the presiding officer. Any person who refuses to leave the City Council Chamber may be subject to arrest. Disruption of a meeting includes the following types of behaviors: 1) Any form of political campaigning or electioneering regarding a specific candidate or group of candidates in City elections; 2) Impeding the orderly progress of the meeting by shouting, yelling, whistling, chanting, singing, dancing, clapping, foot stomping, snapping fingers, cheering, jeering, using artificial noise makers or musical instruments, waving signs of any size, or engaging in any other display of excessive noise, sounds, or movement; 3) Displaying or waving signs of any sort, except where used to support the speaker’s presentation at the podium, and only where the sign is 21 inches by 21 inches or smaller in size and cannot be displayed in a manner which unreasonably obstructs the view of the dais for any member of the audience, regardless of message; 4) Audible noise from cellphones or other electronic devices; 5) Consumption of alcohol or controlled substances; 6) Making vulgar or offensive remarks or gestures, or using threatening language or gestures, including but not limited to pantomiming discharging a firearm, choking, or throat-cutting; 7) Refusing to stop speaking when his or her time has expired or is otherwise directed by the presiding officer to do so due to disruptive behavior as described herein; 8) Returning to the meeting after having been removed or ejected, or attempting to do so. Page 1 of 6

Transportation, Energy & Utilities Committee Agenda - Revised Marked February 3, 2026 Meeting Convened: Meeting Adjourned: Attendance: JEA presentation on Water First Project Item/File No. Title History 2026-00011. PUBLIC HEARING OPEN & CLOSE Contact: Renee Hunter ORD Closing & Abandoning &/or Disclaiming an Unopened & Unimproved Portion of the Chatham St R/W, Estab in the Replat of Everest Heights, as Recorded in Plat Bk 12, Pg 44, of the Current Public Records of Duval County, FL, Located in Council Dist. 9, at the Request of Vecellio & Grogan, Inc.; Prov for Appvl Subj to Conds (Wilson) (Req of Mayor) 1/13/26 CO Introduced: TEU 1/21/26 TEU Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/27/26 CO PH Read 2nd & Rerefer TEU PH Pursuant to Sec 336.10, F.S. - 2/3/26 Public Hearing Pursuant to Ch 166, F.S. & C.R. 3.601 - 1/27/26 • Closure requested to fence in commercial property used for storage of construction materials and equipment 2026-00022. PUBLIC HEARING OPEN & CLOSE Contact: Renee Hunter ORD Closing & Abandoning &/or Disclaiming an Opened & Improved Portion of John St, as Shown on the Plat of Simmons Addition to South Jax, as Recorded in Plat Bk 6, Pg 12, of the Current Public Records of Duval County, FL, Located in Council Dist. 5, at the Request of Laxmi Partnership, Subj Unto Reservation to City & JEA of a Non-Exclusive All-Utilities, Facilities, & Access Easement on, Over, Under, Through, & Across the Closure Area; Prov for Appvl Subj to Conds (Wilson) (Req of Mayor) 1/13/26 CO Introduced: TEU 1/21/26 TEU Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/27/26 CO PH Read 2nd & Rerefer TEU PH Pursuant to Sec 336.10, F.S. - 2/3/26 Public Hearing Pursuant to Ch 166, F.S. & C.R. 3.601 - 1/27/26 • Closure requested for the future development of the San Marco East Hotel Page 2 of 6

Transportation, Energy & Utilities Committee Agenda - Revised Marked February 3, 2026 2026-00033. AMEND Contact: Lurise Bannister / Helena Parola ORD Approp $350,000.00 from the Concurrency Mgmt System Acct to Transportation Planning - Concurrency Mgmt - Other Professional Svcs Acct to Fund a Comp Update to the City of Jax Mobility System Plan (B.T. 26-024) (Smith) (Req of Mayor) 1/13/26 CO Introduced: TEU, F 1/21/26 TEU Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/21/26 F Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/27/26 CO PH Read 2nd & Rerefer Public Hearing Pursuant to Ch 166, F.S. & C.R. 3.601 - 1/27/26 AMENDMENT Clarify funding source as Concurrency Management System Fund Balance 2026-00054. PUBLIC HEARING OPEN & CONTINUE DEFER Due to noticing requirements ORD re Ch 745 (Addressing & Street Naming Regulations), Ord Code; Estab an Honorary Street Desig & Associated Roadway Markers for Cedric Burrell; Estab an Honorary Street Desig on 16th St E Extending btwn Main St & Hubbard St in Council Dist. 7 for Cedric Burrell; Prov for the Installation of 2 Honorary Roadway Markers to Be Located in Appropriate Locations on the Desig Road in Council Dist. 7; Waiving the Requirement of Subsec 745.105(i) (2), Ord Code, that the Honoree to Be Deceased for at Least 5 Yrs; Waiving the Requirement of Subsec 745.105(i)(3), Ord Code, that the Honoree Reside in the Community within 5 Miles of the Street Being Desig for at Least 10 Yrs; Directing the Legislative Svcs Div to Forward a Copy of this Ord, Once Enacted, to the Public Works Dept, Traffic Engineering & Addressing Divs, for Processing, Implementation & Coordination with the Applicant & Other Affected Agencies & Orgs (Pollock) (Introduced by CM Peluso) 1/13/26 CO Introduced: NCSPHS, R, TEU 1/20/26 NCSPHS Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/20/26 R Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/21/26 TEU Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/27/26 CO PH Read 2nd & Rerefer TEU PH Pursuant to Sec 336.10, F.S. - 2/3/26 Public Hearing Pursuant to Ch 166, F.S. & C.R. 3.601 - 1/27/26 Page 3 of 6

Transportation, Energy & Utilities Committee Agenda - Revised Marked February 3, 2026 2026-00335. AMEND Contact: Chris LeDew 2/3 vote required by Council ORD Approp $2,096,681.71, Including $1,110,573.00 from the Countywide Traffic Signalization - Fiber Optic Proj, $700,000.00 from the Countywide Intersection Improvements Proj, & $286,108.71 from the Countywide Rdwy Sign Stripe & Signal Proj, to Various Projs Including: (1) $150,325.50 to the Monument Rd Pedestrian Crossing Proj; (2) $135,783.21 to the St. Johns Bluff Rd & Lost Pine Dr Signalized U-Turn Proj; (3) $350,000.00 to the Golfair Blvd & APR Academy Pedestrian Crossing Proj; (4) $350,000.00 to the Overhead Pedestrian Signal - Soutel Dr at Morris Manor Proj; (5) $634,863.00 to the Fort Caroline Rd Fiber Optic Proj; & (6) $475,710.00 to the St. Augustine Rd Fiber Optic Proj; Amend the 26-30 5-Yr CIP Appvd by Ord 2025-505-E to Reflect this Approp of Funds to the Proj (B.T. 26-029) (Dillard) (Req of Mayor) 1/13/26 CO Introduced: NCSPHS, TEU, F 1/20/26 NCSPHS Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/21/26 TEU Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/21/26 F Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/27/26 CO PH Read 2nd & Rerefer 2/2/26 NCSPHS Amend/Approve 5-0 Public Hearing Pursuant to Ch 166, F.S. & CR 3.601 - 1/27/26 AMENDMENT Attach Revised Exhibit 2 (CIP) to correct appropriation and prior funding amounts • Projects Being Reduced - Traffic Signalization – Fiber Optic ($1,110,573) - Roadway Sign Stripe and Signal ($286,109) - Countywide Intersection Improvements ($700,000) • Projects Being Increased - Monument Rd. Pedestrian Crossing ($150,326) - St. Johns Bluff/Lost Pine Dr. Signalized U-Turn ($135,783) • New Projects Being Created - Golfair Blvd. & APR Academy Pedestrian Crossing ($350,000) - Overhead Pedestrian Signal – Soutel Drive at Morris Manor ($350,000) - Fort Caroline Road Fiber Optic ($634,863) - St. Augustine Road Fiber Optic ($475,710) Page 4 of 6

Transportation, Energy & Utilities Committee Agenda - Revised Marked February 3, 2026 2026-00356. Contact: Scott Carter / Nina Sickler 2/3 vote required by Council ORD Approp $1,370,000 from the Widening of Lane Ave N - DM Other Construction Costs Acct to the Jax Fair Grounds Relocation - DM Other Construction Costs Acct, to Provide Add’l Funds for Relocation of the Jax Fairgrounds to the Jax Equestrian Center Site; Amend the 26-30 5-Yr CIP Appvd by Ord 2025-505-E to Reflect the Transfer of Funds from the Widening of Lane Ave N Proj to the Jax Fairgrounds Relocation Proj; Prov for Oversight by the Public Works Dept (Staffopoulos) (Introduced by CM White) 1/13/26 CO Introduced: TEU, F 1/21/26 TEU Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/21/26 F Read 2nd & Rerefer 1/27/26 CO PH Read 2nd & Rerefer Public Hearing Pursuant to Ch 166, F.S. & C.R. 3.601 - 1/27/26 • Fairgrounds project anticipated to be completed in July 2026 • Increases total Fairground project budget to $45,270,000 • Widening of Lane Avenue North project may require additional funding in the future following completion of the design phase 2026-00647. 2nd ORD Approp $180,341.00 in Air Pollution Tag Fee Fund Bal to Replace Aging Ambient Air Monitoring Equipment (B.T. 26-037) (Dillard) (Req of Mayor) 1/27/26 CO Introduced: TEU, F Public Hearing Pursuant to Ch 166, F.S. & CR 3.601 - 2/10/26 2026-00668. 2nd ORD Making Certain Findings, & Apv & Auth the Execution of an Amended & Restated Water Well Permitting Delegation Agrmt btwn the City & the St. Johns River Water Mgmt Dist; Prov for Oversight by the Office of Admin Svcs, Environmental Quality Div (Pollock) (Req of Mayor) 1/27/26 CO Introduced: NCSPHS, TEU 2/2/26 NCSPHS Read 2nd & Rerefer Public Hearing Pursuant to Ch 166, F.S. & CR 3.601 - 2/10/26 2026-00739. RULES EMERGENCY RULES AMEND Contact: CM White RESO Concerning the Vacation of Portions of the Plat of Jax Heights Subdiv, Pursuant to Sec 177.101(3), F.S.; Returning a Portion of the Lands Shown on Said Jax Heights Subdiv Plat to Acreage; Making Findings; Abandoning Certain Unopened Roads within the Boundaries of the Jax Heights Subdiv Plat that Have Not Been Opened & Have Not Become Roads Suitable & Necessary for the Traveling Public; & Ensuring Legal Access to Abutting Properties (Harvey) (Introduced by CM White) 1/27/26 CO Introduced: R, TEU 2/2/26 R Emergency/Amend/Approve 6-0 Page 5 of 6

Transportation, Energy & Utilities Committee Agenda - Revised Marked February 3, 2026 RULES AMENDMENT Add one-cycle emergency language • The property owner requested an emergency to accommodate the timeline for closing on the subject property NOTE: The next regular meeting will be held Wednesday, February 18, 2026. *****Note: Items may be added at the discretion of the Chair.***** Pursuant to the American with Disabilities Act, accommodations for persons with disabilities are available upon request. Please allow 1-2 business days notification to process; last minute requests will be accepted; but may not be possible to fulfill. Please contact Disabled Services Division at: V 904-255-5466, TTY-904-255-5476, or email your request to KaraT@coj.net. Page 6 of 6

>> Good morning. Everyone will get start with the Tuesday FEBRUARY 3rd meeting of the transportation, Energy and Utilities Committee will start with introductions. MISTER Going. >> Morning Bill Delaney, mayor's office. Ryan Russell Council research Carla Schauer Office of General Counsel Edward Linskey Council auditors office. Tomorrow City Council district one Reggie District 8 well district 3. That Carlucci at-large group for. Morning Rockland Johnson District 14, the West Side. All right. Good morning, everyone. >> So today we do have a presentation by jta. We're going to take that up right after public comment. And then I'll go over the agenda. We with public comment and the presentation, but not too long of the agenda today says should have plenty of time. We do have to be out of here by 11. I did not see that being an issue as a reminder, if you did fill out a speaker card, I got 2 of them, Travis Williams and John, any please speak to a bill that is on our agenda. I see Eastside cba is one of the comments here that Bill is not in this committee. So that's what you planned on. Speaking Still call you up. But that Bill is not in this committee. So it speaker cards, Travis Williams and John, Travis Williams, you can go first. Travis yes. Travis Williams address on file still wanted to take a moment to speak. It'll be before you. >> Before you guys next to talk about a topic with the cba being the tif. 2024, we've advocated for a long-term funding strategy with the cba and that if he's really been removed from all the recommendations going forward and so wanted to discuss with this or bring forth to this group. I do think it was on the juice of banks for that with that we continue to have that discussion. And that is it was supported by this spring cba 2 point. Oh, committee really did support that in the spring of 2025. Before break. It was really in full support of that committee that we should explore tough. And it's really been removed discussion. This neighborhood is really in need of deep public infrastructure investment. And while the 40 million dollars is a great start, the infrastructure investment of the neighborhoods still needs. Is Israeli really clear? And so we've provided significant recommendations cra's you which is another state legislation told that Jax was never use to a tif district created by the City Council to compliment the investments that will happen to make sure that road streets, public space accent updated that have been updated in quite a long time. So want to put it on the record that this council continues to discuss that going forward. Thank you. Thank you, MR. Williams has a little mini of there, but I was told you also our Stan Grant sustain grads, get more leniency in my committee. >> John, any non state grad coming up? >> The low I am John philanthropic. 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One, 2026, 0, 0, 0, one number to 2026, 0, 0, 0, 2, >> Number 6.20, 20's, 6, 0, 0, 3, 5 2026, 0, 0, 6, 6, the execution of an amended and restated water will permitting delegation agreement. >> Between the city and the Saint Johns River, Water Management District provide for oversight by the office of the Administrative Services eqt Division p# # request of the mayor neighborhoods t e. But you know what? It's not waterways or finance. Where's Doug? Cocky? How much is a will permit? I mean, this is huge. Okay. Now, you know, mowing down to 20 some seconds. But, you know, I'll be going. Does. And there's disability, you know, the wheelchair, gay, you know, right after this, you know, counts on elder affairs. You know, 10 seconds. Why is so juicy the Office of General Counsel not represented at these meetings? Thank you for listening visit Jacksonville. >> Thank you. I'd like to recognize council in Clark, Mary and also COUNCILWOMAN Pittman. You're arriving. All right with Next on the agenda, we have a presentation by jta. So come on down and colleagues, you can press presentation and the presentation pop up on your computer. My name is Rob Samatar chief Operating Officer k a. >> On the water side of the House graduated University of Florida about 30 years ago. And I've been working in North Florida ever since I've been with jta 10 years. And I want to thank the board for allowing me to come up and present on this project. So the water first project was a project that has recently come to light. And it's really to look start looking at utility projects. More from a regional perspective, not just a local perspective and all kind of go into more how the project came to be. And then I'll give you a brief update description of what the project isn't. Basically what it entails back in JUNE of 21 2021. Senate Bill 64 was signed. Senate Bill. 64 basically had the pulling all the effluent from all the wastewater plants throughout the state out of the surface water for Jacksonville. That was going to be a 2 billion dollar initiative. It was an unfunded mandate as don't have to explain significant impact. 2 billion dollars would be to the local economy. So we started tackling that problem and we started coming up with a plan how we were going to handle Senate Bill. 64. But on the horizon, I'm going to jump to the other side of that currently in legislation in Tallahassee. There's a thing called an mfl, a minimum flows and levels. And what that is is when any water drops below a certain minimum flow. It's considered in danger and need to be fixed. So. The nfl's that are being currently looked at it in the Senate and the House this year. Our own. If you're talking in Santa Fe so both those water bodies are considered to be in recovery and there would be legislation passed and a water body is basically in recovery like that. The impact to us is no more groundwater. No more wells. So that nfl would have a significant impact to all the economies in North Florida. So knowing that this was coming back, I'm going to jump to the middle there in APRIL of 23, we created a partnership when I say we was a lot of folks together. But I'll go through a second, but really to get that group of folks together, which included all the utilities in the water management districts. You really had to agree that 2 things were true. North Florida is really at a crossroad where we could no longer just infinitely pump groundwater. And once you recognize that is as being true, you also have to recognize that no individual community could solve the problem kind of on their own. These problems are very regional. Like I said, we are talking about it. You took the springs. I'm sure that a lot of folks have been there. It's a tough new springs. Our wills do affect it. You're talking springs and really all throughout North Florida. So once had all the entities recognize that those 2 troops were existed, we got together. So the initial group that got together worthy both water management districts to Suwannee Water Management District, Saint Johns River Water Management District. And some of the local utility is Clay County, gru, from Gainesville, Saint Johns County and ourselves, j. And we really work done for 2 years. We reviewed over 1000 projects and different solutions to help the nfl's out 20 and the project that I'm going to kind of go through is going to kind of outline the solution that the team came up with. First that instead of me trying to explain the water management districts and fdp put together this video. It's about a minute and a half of like to play. The video does a much better job explaining it than I could so well. Go ahead and run that. >> With Florida port and crossroads. >> Our focus is on protecting the long-term viability of the natural water resources that service our primary water supply. >> Are springs and Rivers Park just environmental treasures, their engines, sport agriculture, tourism, small businesses and economic development. Florida law requires the protection of our water resources to establish the minimum flows and water levels. The Florida Department of Environmental Protection has adopted a rule for the lower Santa Fe and pitch took the rivers a river and spring system that is not currently meeting those required levels. A comprehensive, sustainable solution is needed to recharge our aquifer. We store the flows of our springs and rivers and ensure a sustainable water supply for our region. Recognizing that no single entity or community can solve this challenge alone. Stakeholders across North Florida have united behind most effective and cost-efficient solution to park checked our water systems. The solution. What are first North Florida? This project will use reclaimed water that will be highly treated at a water reclamation facility before being filtered in a wetland to further clean the water. What are the meat high quality standards will then be used to recharge the aquifers. We store in natural flows to springs and rivers. Infrastructure will be built to bring the water from the wetland too. Multiple recharge locations provide the maximum environmental benefit. This project will provide over 40 billion gallons of water per day. And work in conjunction with conservation and other efforts to recharge the aquifer to support the hydrology of the lower Santa Fe and its took the rivers and springs. Similar projects like the Sweet Water Wetlands Project in Alachua County and the Black Creek Water Resource Development Project in Clay County demonstrate help this type of approach can enhance offer for recharge while meeting high quality water standards. These projects are recovering water resources that support wildlife and have created recreational opportunities that residents and visitors now enjoy what are first North, Florida delivers a comprehensive, sustainable solution. The greatest environmental benefit. Other alternatives like desalination, we're considered that proved to be too expensive, costing 2 or 3 times more reclaimed water. In conjunction with additional conservation efforts. This project will protect the springs and rivers that make our region unique and support our long-term water supply and economic growth through the water. First North Florida project, we are helping secure a sustainable water supply for the region now and into the future. What are first North Florida? >> Some of the folks, you know. Don't realize that our wells, when we pump here in Jacksonville affect things out Lake City talk me the diagram you see on the screen is is kind of a schematic diagram. But it does show that on the right-hand side is the Atlantic Ocean on the left is the Gulf. We have about 40 million gallons currently going to tide. The concept was that if we were to take that 40 gallons and put it on the ground here, it would not recharge our local aquifer. If you notice there is a dark brown layer in that scene can confining aqua for. Pretty much any water that you put on the ground here goes down. It's a very thick layer layer and it moves horizontally out to either the springs or out to the river. So if we were to use this water here locally and 3 charge on the ground, we really wouldn't get any drinking water benefit out of that. As you move west across the state it starts as soon as there's some areas in Baker and then it continues on out as you get out west toward Lake That confining layer disappears. So a lot of the natural rainfall that occurs in the middle of the state recharges our drinking water. So the concept is to move water from Jacksonville to Duval County area and move it west. The exact location has not been determined. This is kind of a concept at this time. The water management district has hired a firm to do the feasibility and preliminary designs of the water management district is working on firming up the scope. But the concept is pretty much the same. One of the things we're looking at is moving that water where where look where we're located out to out west with that yellow cone is. And we're looking at pumping about 40 million gallons of water. Where that rain drop is on the That would be a treatment wetlands. So one of the key components that affects us here locally as we would look at building a 3,000 2000 to 3,000 Acre Wetland Park. What that it would entail as the water would be pumped would run through the natural wetlands and then continue to be pumped out West. Why that's important for us is we do have a peep art. Parcel. That is a little bit west of Cecil Field. That parcel is called the Peterson tract and it would be a key piece that would go connect the emerald necklace, part of that green Greenway that we have around Duval, it would also be included in part of the city's parks and recs there trails that go for continuity of their trails. So we are looking at it from a multiple environmental standpoint. Water supply Also economic growth we have similar parks, wetland parks. If anybody's been to Gainesville, London visited the sweet water it's a fantastic. It is a waste water treatment, eflin treatment. But it also. Great tourist draw. There's a lot of Wildlife that moves in and what not. Been a great economic gain for the for Painesville. There's also down in Orlando called the Orlando Wetlands and Christmas, Florida, which is also has national attention. So having the wetlands be incorporated here locally will be a great economic benefit as well as it water supply benefit. That those will be constructed out by Cecil and obviously move over out to a final. Recharge location. But the project has print. Tons of benefits. The photograph right there is sweet water in Gainesville. So feel free to go visit. That is a great example. But it will replenish the aquifer give us longtime long-term sustainability and continued economic growth in a helps us all the nfl's which currently under legislation. And it also brings most importantly for us, this brings together regional stakeholders and funding partners. So with that, that will include the project available. And if anybody wants there is a Web site, water first adp is put together a website for the projects of anybody want more information they can do is go out to that website listed but anybody has any questions on happiness. Thank you. I I do not see anyone accuse anyone in the queue. I don't know if it's tough. >> I want to go right to left council clerk Mary. >> Thank you. And good morning to every would braving the cold during the cold a lot better than I am because the cold is has worry and won't let it Good morning. Thank you so much for your presentation. I do recall during the summer Renee with them She also I think you were there. You guys kind of gave me the spill of presentation. Obviously does work for him during the summer. So I appreciate you sharing this information with the committee. Because one of the startling things that I was told, maybe not by you, but there's another gentleman young man who works with you, who told me and I was very surprised that there's no new water that we have all the water we have. We is all the water we're going to said. That doesn't make any sense. It rains. When it rains, are we getting new word in any explained about the aquifers and how that cycle those? And that's it. Wow, that makes our water, especially here, Floyd, that much more important. So I appreciate the project in explain the in the project in the entirety to me. And so just like I said, I appreciate that. One of the questions I have is in regards to the Peterson tracked where you need legislation for that. >> New right now, the bulk of the property. We do owns that track and it is set up for that type of land We're looking at. Working with there is some. Conservation property next to us that the city has. If we determine that that property will be needed, we will be back with some legislation, too, to be able to build and construct wetlands. There it is consistent with the use, but it still would be so we would be back if that's needed. So right now the engineers are looking at how much property they will need to reach the proper treatment levels. And so that's yet to be determined. But we are right now. The Parks Department does have some plans to do a trail that connects, you know, Normandy all the way up to the. The rails to trails, ok? And so we would include that in our project to make sure that there's connectivity and all of that. So we are working together with the Parks department to make sure that we're not just that we're not disrupting something that's already in the plan. Thank thank you for that. Thank you. Chair. Councilmember Carlucci. Thank you comes it's a great topic. Reclaimed water is that we're talking about here. Yes, sir. Reclaimed of. >> From sprinklers. Plants from treatment plant. We caught excuse me but been. Country opinion. Yes, the 2 primary facilities or Bachmann and Southwest will be moving water out there. The water would be moved. Because that water eventually moves this way for drinking water. So that's a great thing. Want to ask question. Of our chair by can real should on through the chair. My apologies, MR. CHAIRMAN. Was there a resolution that had anything to do with Robin Reservoir in before some of the other committees? Okay. But it's not on this committee. That's correct manner saying there was a resolution. I don't know what the vote was or where all requests Councilmember Mark Saunders on that committee. >> Thank you, MR. Chair the resolution was introduced an emergency. It failed. So now it's going through the cycle. Okay. All right. Here's here's my question. This is. His problem, not enough water to go around. So probably already know the answer. But but one of the questions that I've been pondering since I first came back, office in 2019 because one of the big issues I was facing as I was going through. My election and was whether the to support deepening the port. Deepening the port. Was very important to me because it's a job driver. But deepening. The port also had some environmental issues for the Saint Johns River. One of which the deeper you you dig the river. >> The more flooding and the more susceptible it is to flooding to climate change. The big issue that I wanted to work on when I came back to the council was one of resilience. That is helping our city bounce back after storms and and being in the insurance business. I keep up and I know the frequency and severity and of hurricanes is getting more and more severe infrequent all the time. Thank GOD we made it through this last hurricane season with nothing. So they're just so. But one of the issues that we have, I Saint Johns River. And I guess there's not enough reclaimed water to make a difference. And this is why I wish we could hope we could pass. Rodman reservoir. And has a bass fisherman. My whole life. I have fish and Robin Reza bore. It's a great recreational facility. But I I I've been around long enough to remember when they're going. Bill Rodman reservoir all the best fishermen were against it. And then once we got built now the best fishermen are against tearing it down. But the problem is we don't have enough fresh water. In our Saint Johns River. And so the All of our yield grass for the most part has died out. And that has greatly affected. Fresh water fish population. In the Saint Johns River. So I guess there's not enough. Fresh water that that we could also share with our Saint Johns River going even flows north going south, somehow. Have y'all ever thought about that in your processes? >> excusing whenever. So our facilities are primarily surface water discharge of a distraught to the Saint Johns River. There is a thing called a Basin management action plan that dp in the water management district put together that we fall in those Basin management action plans. They look at all the constituents that our effluent impacts and the Saint John's River. So we do look at all the different things. And so one of the things that you're discussing a salinity, you know. Are flows are so low that even if we sent 100% the river that does not affect the salinity because we are. So our proximity to the ocean. So they brackish the way down to. I think the Buckman is the official brackish line. So that, unfortunately are flows, do not affect salinity. What we do have is limits on nitrogen. So we have what they call a tmdl and nitrogen credit. So removing these this water out of the river does decrease the amount of nitrogen going. From the nitrogen standpoint, it's a plus removing it. And yes, it is a little less fresh water going, but it it wouldn't a beta significant difference. >> It wouldn't. I figured that it would not. But every time I have a chance to to talk about this. I do because I have I have grown up. Waiting the shorelines of the Saint Johns River since I was a kid and I seen the effects even to this day and it is said would greatly and and that that Robin Reza Board at Dems, local make it that much longer and ntc it with your own eyes. And he's seen the the negative effects on our river with your own eyes. You know, it's it's you what you see if your elected officials, all the the fishermen that just don't want it torn down they loved fishing, Rodman, but then there's a whole nother group of fisherman in the Saint. Johns are saying. It's killing us. But it would be such great medicine if we restore the my subjects are, but I had I I just had to get on that because it's going come before the council is not before this committee I wish it was that resolution. So I'll drop mic. All right. Thing counsel them are unable to start the clock. Let's put a 5 minutes. The clock for each council member. >> Councilmember safe and drop as Mike, 30 chair to Rob Maccoll Iraq. Yes okay. Couple of quick Number one commend you guys on this water first project. Clearly it's forward thinking given the fact that 1000 people moving to Florida today with all the development taking place with desires, a manicured lawns and golf courses. The demand is there. 2 questions. What phase are we in this project? Number one? And the second question is how do how do you work on public trust? That the water we drinking is safe because when you get the explanation of reclaimed water. Water that's been treated from the waist. Management system and now you're pumping it back into aquifer that is supposed to come into my tap. Bill. The public trust that the water is safe. So I'll tackle the first >> This project is and what we call the concept phase. We went through a preliminary evaluation of all these different concepts. Us one rose to the top the water management district. Decided to accept the project to move it into what we call a feasibility. So they have an engineering firm working on feasibility, working on a lot of the details now, once we go through the feasibility and if it checks all the boxes will go right into preliminary design. So right now, I still consider it concepts. The feasibility study is underway with the water management district. So that's where we are at time line. We look at a project of this magnitude. You are looking 10 to 15 year project. This is not something you do within a year or 2. This is a generational type project. In regards to how do you gain public trust? I think it's a matter of education. You know, we've been supplying safe drinking water for. A century 100 years. We've been around over 10