City Infrastructure and Transportation Subcommittee

So how do we start the recording? She just completed. Oh, right. Well, I'll come to the City Infrastructure Transportation Subcommittee. We do have the vice mayor, Juan Gonzalez, with us this afternoon. Just go quickly around the room more for the recording, just so they know who is in the room as well. Yes. Yeah. Please don't share it right now since her pulmonologist, vice mayor of Austin, Brian Elliott, Assistant City Manager John Samuelson, Public Works director, City Engineer. Dwayne Johnson, the assistance of engineer. Sharon Records Administrative Analyst. Richard Butler, Director of Special Projects by Amato. Assistant Director of Public Works. Aaron Evans City Manager, Handed over to you. John Grant Public comment. Do we have any public comments for this meeting? The No. We'll move on from public comments and we'll go ahead and do our agenda. So good to open our communication. Just wanted to thank everyone for being here today for this subcommittee meeting. We do have a pretty good agenda for today. So first thing we wanted to discuss was road repaving projects. So on the next slide, construction of the do we have we have a few are not on the agenda. We're talking about repaving projects for 24, 20, 23 and 24. We'll also spend some time going over the measure and projects that are in public works related to infrastructure. Then we're going to present you what we are presenting as a way to prioritize our capital program, and we'll be looking for feedback on that. And then there's several agenda items that we'll be able to touch on as well. So with that, Dave Johnson, assistant city engineer, will be discussing the first two items, and so I will turn it over to him. So I know that last year we had a really great session in terms of city pavement projects. So what I what we wanted to show you here was the completed last three year project. It doesn't actually show all of them here. Just wanted to show you graphical in here. All the green areas. You can see the neighborhoods, aerials that we completed in the last three years. Richard Harding Whichever you're going to walk through some of the streets just so we can get a little bit better bearings here. Well, since I'm relatively new, Richard, if you will, in the a rubberized slurry seal. So this is just north of Buchanan Road. And the neighborhood is not Highlands, I believe is the neighborhood. It's not. But in that area, first time we used this rubberized slurry seal. The rubberized portion, it has a self-healing to it. We're thinking that if this works out, this might be something that we might be repeating next year and the year after. But we can put this or this is what we're being told in other cities have been successful with it, By the way, A one is that with the number of cracks that we have is mostly it's just surface cracks. So it's not base failure, but it's the oxidation of the actual asphalt because of that, putting this rubberized slurry seal on it will help seal that up. And what we're really trying to do is prevent water from infiltrating into our base. So it's that protective coating on the surface of the of the roadway. So that's the one I really want to highlight. But I'm not going to take all these because, Lara, you've done some research lately to our local. You can go back to here with where you're pointing to it. So it's probably been turned. Okay. So for the turn, Marine. All right, I got it. Thank you. Tremendous action for. So you also have what it's for gaining highway on there. Yeah. And this is one came out really good. This is this is a Cape SEAL project, But this is one that we did crack seal a couple of years ago. Then we came back with a cape seal over it. This was a road that was highly compromised because of all the truck traffic that's been on there, putting that Cape seal on there. That's what prevents that road failing big time. And that's what we're trying to do, is spend a dollar now instead spending $100 later. So this was a terrific project. Got it. Just in time with their heavy high school village. You know, they'll try to get our up here to highlight his. So, yeah, the north side of school street. So it's in the Caldwell neighborhood, to be precise. But yeah, so we were able to take care of quite a bit of two birds with one stone. We took care of water, sewer and pavement. And while we're out there, that's what we like to do is take advantage of any time we're digging out the roadway. Let's try to get from the gutter. Look, the gutter. That is my area. You know that area like we're veteran squares? No, that was a different project. Yes, but we did do that one as well. So that that actually was a requirement to provide enough water. I think you're up there. Okay. Yeah. So that in lost, but that was to provide enough water to the vectors for project. We had to upgrade the water and sewer along east. Again, taking advantage of water and sewer. We were able to pay as well. Look, we got a little bigger and that was an Illinois overlay right through that. That actually was a full reconstruction. Yeah. So I want to go there. So what I have to add to this is that this right here is created by our mapping group doing a wonderful job, me to see what the what procedures or rehabilitation strategy that we have on here. I didn't show the table here, but because it was just too small. But if you can see, it has completed project 67. Well, 67 just means one of these street sections and segments. But as a project, right. That whole neighborhood. Yeah. This one, it didn't have programs or programs were deficient. So in we replaced the curb grants get those up to code operations maintenance site. They go in, do all the repairs on the roadway, all the pothole repairs, and then that comes in and then we could do a surface treatment with a contractor, do that work on West Leland. This is this is your project. Have to have all different facets of maintenance, preparation and preservation treatment where we anticipate leaving for you. So this whole area, which is probably the oldest section of that area and even into that area and around was small project to Ryan and replace on this section. And also here on Leland to the water plans that we did it in Bailey Road that was in conjunction there but there was some repairs that were beyond our scope and all the striping work. It's very repair, right? So that's going around for, well, a type of but this actually extends all the way down to the city limits so that that green we can almost double look at that very well actually we are in beautiful that's kind of you know getting for rainy day because know this is actually farther south. Yeah it so that's I think we just went through that's that's a neighborhood that's a newer neighborhood. So in order to preserve and extend the life of the whole, the ideal thing is, you know, whenever we have a road that's the campground and the clock starts picking there, we try to get the pillar cracked ceiling and the slurry seal within the next 7 to 10 years before the pavement oxidizes, before it starts to water penetrate. That's what really starts to deteriorate your roadway, very much like a wood deck that you have got to keep it sealed every year or else water is going to ruin it and it will send a visitor. And Suzanne, all the way to the ground just to show you that we have completed projects in the city of Pittsburgh. So current projects right now that we have on the books is the Pavement Improvement project. We show that that the funding sources here, as all of you know, you're in six here of some significant project costs to them and you're in the we Love acronyms. Explain the acronyms or you want to explain it. So we are more. Right. That's the Road Maintenance and Recovery Act. That's a special gas tax from passage of SB one, a maintenance. That's what RMR stands for. And it and all those mining funds go towards our roadways. The WHO the that's the standard gas tax that people are used to pay at the pump. And then G stands for general fund and measure and the special sales tax within the city of Pittsburgh. So we just have the current map here that shows those what we just saw on the screen in terms of materials in the neighborhoods that we're looking at providing for our current project. But that's something that we're going to get into later on in the area where these and so general speak speak to that. Currently, this is what looks like a significant focus is Leland Road. Yes. So with the OpEx you project, there's significant amount of work that will be done on Leland. And then with the Armory funds, we're picking up the remaining portions of Leland, which is really in bad need, particularly in the outside lanes in several locations. So it's going to be a lot of dig outs and locations. And then we also see a lot of investment on Loveridge Road as well, where we had some areas that are critical. Need a smart spot repair on the leverage. You're right that's the most key piece. Yeah. We'll also see there Cursive Creek. That's where we're doing a another joint project with the county contractor getting to do a micro surface. And then we do have the one neighbor. So moving forward, we'd like to see more work in neighborhoods and less local funds on our main arterials and really focusing on trying to get state and federal grants for our major arterials and using our local dollars in neighborhoods. So that's something that we are working on prioritizing, moving forward. Sure, the question might come up later, but the point of this also is that obviously every two years we have grant funding that is utilized to give what's called a TAP report, which is basically a report that comes in. And I'm sure you all know that comes in and analyzes the pavement condition index for our city. And so we take that information and make it real. So we actually have this report that we take streets and actually analyze it ourselves and make a determination of if it's if it's real or if it's a need for a particular rehabilitation strategy, then we will analyze that and come back to this prioritization method that we're going to explain later that will take that and move forward with. So a lot of this currently right here on the books. But see something like leverage where we know just real bad and I'd be happy to report right as being that significant. But, you know, we're here to analyze that and come to you and I'm sure we can have that discussion later on. But on that report, why is there the tab, whether it's looking for different things so that I understand that as a part of that. But if we're paying for this, it should be representative. And I don't know where on the priority list. So we were just awarded another project grant. So we'll be doing the survey again, I can't speak on behalf of happened in the past, but going forward is you need to spot check the work of the consultant to make sure that the data they're giving is good. And so in most cases their data good. Find a couple of areas where maybe you don't quite, quite agree and you work with and any revised PCI as a result of that. But that'll give you a good solid. Right. If you do that, that verification and you work with the consultant to determine what the piece should be, then you can truly use that data to help you then create your payment management program and in the long term, look ahead. And so when we work with this next consultant on this this evaluation, we'll be working very closely by going out in the field and doing that verification so we can feel confident in the report that we get. And it should match up very closely with the work that we're doing. And how long does the the consultant to do it? It varies. It takes there's a few months in the summer time to drive around, look at the streets, collect the data. So generally they use a van or a truck that has a lot of sensors and cameras on it and they drive every street and creates a pavement condition index based on readability, based on tracking, based on rating trenching. All these different factors creates different conditions in that. And then they are supposed to send staff into the field in spot, check a few locations to make sure that the data they're getting from their software and their equipment is accurate, then they would send that to us in a draft form. We based on our knowledge of the city, we then spot check these streets and say, see if there's anything that we think maybe needs to be reevaluated. And then they come up. So the entire process will take about a year. But the actual amount of time they're serving the streets was a couple months and you get access to all the sensor data or is it already compiled for you? You don't get access to the already it's already compiled. We don't get that the full data download. Okay, Explain what the method is in the report, what let's do with that when you can go back into whatever their data is to try and match. Right. You know, we think this feels like you're saying it's perfect. How do we rectify that? Yes. So if there is a discrepancy, that's where they can look at their data and they can tell you how they came with their calculations. And then we can see for seeing how it compares and have that level of discussion. And the important thing is doing that quickly because the apps every two years, right? So 2 to 3 years, a years. But what happens is the funding gap potentially for some five or six years so that data could be open. So to get to your comment there, one is that sometimes it's old data that they have to come back and redo. And so you on early enough, we can see that what projects that we want to come back to the table were to match up to what our findings what was 11,000 into the long district. So MTC pays the vast majority of it but then our contribution is 11 12,000. And what's the total cost? It's like I think it's 77. It took 11% to run. 11%? Yeah. Okay. And that we've been using every year it's not. So the MTC has a group of consultants that they use on a regular basis and they will assign a consultant to us so we can request a particular one. But generally they rotate it. So every time we work it's a different consultant, but they all use the same data, they all use the same program, they all use the same criteria. No, it's all Blu ray, but it could be something different. Yes. So what we're showing Wieland as one project, it's actually two separate projects. Okay, Wesley, here is our oh back, the Grant project that we have and we'll be doing spot here. Dig out where we'll go down to four inches, remove the bed, bad asphalt, put it back and then do a surface treatment over the top. And that same surface treated apple whole thing. So the whole thing will look like a new room. So it'll be very similar to Bailey. Understanding what the surface will look a little bit different. What it will look better is a Bailey was a double chip operation. Oh, I didn't know that. I thought it was a okay, it'll look better. So this is the section which is newer that we're not doing any dig outs. And so I'm not sure the entire stretch is resurfaced. There may be a gap in the middle. This is where we're still learning the full scope of project. So for that section, right, that long spring break to be able to set the expectation for what this section you can expect X, Y and Z. And so what we're done, they can expect and I think that we're on the same page. And so so some of these areas that we actually went back out like we were discussing is boots on the ground. We're out there making sure that we're providing the right amount of dig out, for example, and then the circuitry treatment would be and we'll start on and I was going to say something else. I've heard the counselor in the community, and I'm sure you've heard just hopefully we don't have a checkerboard where you go to blocks nice and then you've got hold on to block it. If there is a way to make it work, we want it to look nice and then we agree. So the back to grab that was the first one on the list is here from Bailey to railroad. And then we have a separate project from railroad to sentry. Thank you. And Sentry auto dig out spot repair again, primarily in the outside lanes where we have failure and then we're still deciding what final surface treatment to do. Over the top, we're leaning towards dealing with the micro, which would be the and the intent is to repair the failed portions of pavement and have a complete finished look. That's nice and quick and this project will be completed when these both these products should be this summer or when do we go out to dinner like this that happen? So we're in the process of finalizing the design, We're getting really close. And so we want a deal. We would have bidding them all in one place to get them out to visit in a couple of months so that we can awarded and have them do the work. We don't want to start pushing too far into the season because you really don't want to do a micro when it's been cost on our end or what's our estimated cost. You have to be going to go back one. So this is total project cost that includes the cost to design, construct and oversee the construction. And so 1.9 for that, go back, that's from Bailey to railroad. And then these two projects are actually combined at the different sources. So about 1.2 for railroad century, we may look to add more funding. They know what that final surface treatment is. And then Rossmore, this really is leverage the name if we want to go back to the map. So to 25 is that's what's currently in there. But that's not what it's going to cost. It's going to cost quite a bit more that's repairing this section of leverage or we just little bit more. So I apologize. This section of leverage is combined with this project and it's in that 1.9 over it. So much more is over there, right this one there in the same project. So again, okay, that question is combined with this this section, provide with that. Okay. And then the last one on the list is for pass, which we're doing in combination with the county that won the funding. Go back. Sure. So good. 325 They came back and said it's actually going to cost the law 500,000 by 5550. So we're in the process of identifying the additional funds so that we can do that project. Gypsy I'll do a bike service, which is going to be a much better read minus Kirker pass roughly. Okay. As you can tell, I'm still learning these projects and so if you know, leverage that section that does what street actually. So they had a particular tree that they want to do on the entire both sides of this one side that was pretty good decent condition. So we're taking that and that's what we evaluate right from the P tab, which is what we do when we go out there and look at the road because the be tapped will just report that the entire road has a certain PCI index to it. There's a we've had there strategies that we can utilize that as the same service like of your rebuilt and you save money by not doing the same treatment on one side. But in the end it'll look the same. There was some side side of which was the northbound side, which is in really bad shape. It needs to be reconstructed. The southbound side is in pretty good shape. We can do more of a service towards the I guess the east side is better than the worse. Yeah. So they'll say it goes. Yeah. So the east side of the the hospital side is the right. That's where they did the most base fire repair lawsuits will. And that's what you're talking about earlier of the hodgepodge of what it looks like out there. We don't want that right Summer when Caltrans is approval, the design is done. It's been submitted. We're trying to get their final approval to put it out to bid. So as soon as we get that Caltrans, it'll be out on the streets. Well, actually, Caltrans been reviewing it for a while. They can have that done, but we are pushing on them because they are taking a lot longer than they should as correct. That's accurate. And that's not just for the standards for a lot of it. The colors which to the past. No, that was the one that we're supposed to have done last August, and that's what the county was scheduled to do. They ran a couple complications. Could it get done last summer? So that's why it's now 2023 with that participation that we have with them. If they delays, it's a year delay. That's great because they're doing a fantastic job for us. So if they are going to delay it and we're still participating, is that economy of scale is great. We've got a good team here with the county. So, you know, piggyback on that. And so with Chris over there at the county, it's actually going to save us some dollars because the county is actually going to do some of that work for us. Right. So that it saves us have the contract out and in so let's just say with 550 B would have cost us more than that separately. So we came up with the project. It wouldn't be a uniform service, correct. So I submit her, him or him are a some general fund, but if that is correct. So there's additional funding that's typically used on roads that are not up here currently, and that's because they are in the process of taking that longer term look at roads to determine what we want to do in 2024 and then allocate those funds. So what you're seeing up there is not all of the available funds, it's just what's currently been programed and iterations or as you point out, or have recommendations, this would be the secretary had laid that out. Oh, absolutely. So again, we plan on creating a long term pavement maintenance program and we the sales tax measure would it would be open on major or lane striping with there with every pavement project that we are doing, we're going to reevaluate the striping to make sure it meets our current standards as far as language and by so I know part of the agenda was to speak about the sales tax measure and this is just a just a historical aspect of it, just to everyone back up to speed on to 2016 sales tax measure in here, whereas rate the the ballot passed with 81%. And so I'll have Hillary come in and speak about some of the projects here. And so this is just a list of them. as I'm relatively new, I don't know the entirety of these projects are and maybe you can see the median and right away measurements to this year again and the our current crews to continue to do upgrades while they're maintaining or help with for weeds and other things. When we shut the spigot off for COVID 19 and then reinvigorated it with the council's direction. So how has the contract management side of that? It's been it's it's been and down and to one particular larger company ready to let go. We're having similar issues labor shortages not able to cover the switch. The first part of that project last year school street was the big one right Yeah. In the primaries is really around the schools, but certainly school street was that's one of the oldest routes in town to that was pretty good. But anything that we could do to reduce or eliminate any tripping hazards, we certainly do. And that was outside the scope of the utility project was happening in my school neighborhood. But it still is some money in and there as well. Once over and over. So three sections of downtown it's really they last only a certain amount of time. We okay let's go back on the success of striping with the new thermoplastic machine that two three years ago. So we've got two years ago we put more down where we got that through bussing. We feel we got it in like July or August. We put more down in two months than we usually put down a year, and that this machine is highly efficient. And the nanomaterial, they can use stock at fast enough so we can get it ordered again. So that's not much. We're refresh in the striping in town and you have an agenda item where you have a striping grant from Randall Boulevard. So it's not always metro, but projects have been ongoing and as you have highlighted for a contract that we ran to some earlier in the fall, So it's been delayed. But yeah, words and neighborhoods and the remaining portions of each is in that we'll finish up the sprint parking lots with these 340 marina parking lot where more street maintenance will be repairs road maintenance preparation will pass on our crews to do that preparation for the other contractors come in. We're more efficient. We get a little bit better bang for the buck. We'll do that. So that's why we have been, especially Knoxville's sports and the basketball courts. Spring Update ready? I was like at the start, that wasn't the end. But we do it that we do. And whatever powers that be. So there was a lot of coordination back and forth would be the rains. There was obviously some issues with that site in terms of pouring concrete foundations and such, but the restroom is in Oakland right now and is being delivered. So the foundations were poured. We were able to get that once there was those couple of days or one day that was in between that they were able to get that to the foundations for the restrooms or for the utilities. I think I guess it was yesterday where we were going out to inspect that and utility connections. So it's moving forward and were down and out. Literally will have a ribbon cutting. Yes. Well, then I guess I have to keep you informed. It might happen next week or the week after. I don't know how it's happened. So it is two weeks really, whether we're doing or just, you know, what, the next few years. So. Yes. So yeah. So John had a good point. There was some electrical work would be unique. So there was going to be about a two month wait. I'm going to do the work in the street. The reason why was the decision was made back when project is that it was best to put it on their schedule versus if you know that sometimes most of the time we contract that out because PGE is not in the in the business of doing trenching for their own conduits. And so we decided to have it put on them to do it. So it's taken a little bit longer than we expected, but that's the one that John mentioned, is that it might that might take a little bit longer. So even in the right place, it's not going to be energized. We were we think it's about two months, which would be latest estimate is. Yeah. So we'll hold the ribbon cutting once it's energized and on and fully available. But so not two weeks You're getting closer. About two months. Yeah. An improvement. But what next time we'll be doing the trenching or. Yeah we'll do that. But, but what I'm saying is we kept it on the schedule because I was, I was not convinced that they would meet the two months. So it didn't conversation. It might even be less than that. But we're we're we want to be conservative two months but everything the grading the utility work, the restroom, all that can be that and really continue to grow. But it's going to be at the same time and we'll have to obviously work on signage to explain to people that. Correct. Lovely restrooms, please. We're working on that. So, yes, but we sometimes as as residents. Right. We get frustrated with how long they stay. Right. And so I think this is at least as many times x 2020 as many times as I can. Right. I want to challenge us to look at how can we shorten these things and how do we learn from we're in that down to a year and a half right? Definitely innovative to use this different technology, right. Instead of building from the ground up. But I just want to put that out there. The lesson learned is PGE has gotten a lot slower. I mean, they were always slow, they've gotten even slower. And so moving forward, we'll do the design and we'll do as much of the construction as we can and just have the inspection and the approval and look, let's measure em. Are there any other questions? So we do have one line item I do want to highlight 3021 City Park tree safety maintenance. And that's going to try and I'm not sure if you have other slides on that or not. So now we can talk about that. Certainly after the utilities crawl on the 18 center building, that is something that working with John and the rest of the team. We're also doing additional contracts to do more utilities, I mean, or removal as appropriate because the trees have reached their useful life, if you will. They're not all they're not really rendering. We just have branches falling or trees more. So there will be a step, step some of those trees ratify. That is something that there are eucalyptus throughout our city, which I'm sure when they planted them 30 plus years ago, they said, wow, we're in this great contrast agreement or not, we have to put something more appropriate in can strengthen your back. So the big one item right, $750,000. Can you talk to the cyber preparedness or is. Yeah. Still developing that project at this time? Now we've been focusing on the community Development BLOCK grant funded sidewalk repair project, which we're primary doing a race and getting that out to bid that was awarded recently. And again it turning our focus to the sidewalk repair and identifying locations throughout the city that are in need of repair. So I'm not fully aware of the status of this project, but I believe we're still in the finalizing the scope. Unless you know something, Yeah, it's going to be working with a consultant that actually evaluates and make sure that whatever step differential we have is that those are the ones that we focus on replacing and then those other ones can we use other means like shading to where we have a smooth surface. But whatever we can do to well, as far as risk management, there's call to reduce those tripping hazards and to reduce those claims, and that's sort of protect people from it's still being developed for ensuring that the so that because there's such a large amount of money for sidewalk repairs but that's also a lot of sidewalk repair and so on so about 100,000 a year for the next seven years and taking six year. And we take that approach with today's program. So I understand there's a need, but for you to lay out onto our project prioritization. So one of the things that Dana and I are trying to do is to really develop a system for prioritizing our program. And so that's what you'll see this document. So this front page is just kind of a summary of why we're doing this, But really it's the area on the back that I'm hoping get your feedback. This is double sided. And so we're trying to create criteria that we can then use given a because we're assigning projects to our staff, we can really focus in on the highest priority projects, right? Make sure we're we're focusing our efforts on the right ones. And so that this is the criteria that Clayton and I have come up with. And we're looking for feedback with the ultimate goal that we leave this meeting with consensus on how we want to rank our projects. And so we really broke them up into three various levels, essential, required and goals that we've given them. We're open to it. We want to change those. And within each of those levels, there are some levels. So when we thought about the most central project, what would those generally be? And so what we came up with was the top 11a or ongoing projects. If A projects already in construction, we want to keep that project funded so we can complete construction work. One B is if there's any new laws or legal obligations that we're required to do to come in compliance with any state, federal and local law. We want to make sure we prioritize that project as well. One C would be any safety related projects or emergencies, much like we talked about the tree removal at City Park. If there's a real safety issue in our city, we want to prioritize that as a project and get that safety issue resolved. One D would be any project that's required as a result of development. One example would be if if we order to continue with development, we have you approving out our water treatment plant or we have to upsize a water line to ensure there's adequate water supply for that development project. We want to prioritize that improvements. Most of these are going to be constructed by the developers, but there are going to be occasions where there's a project that the city is taking the lead on and we want to make sure it's prioritized because we don't want to hold up development. And then the last one would be City Council consensus priorities. So When we have our whole session workshop that we develop, what are our goals are from the City council. We want to identify those projects and then those were the five subcategories that we put under that highest level one priorities. So I'll go ahead and pause there, see if there's any comments or feedback from anyone on those criteria in their development. Again, I mean, I understand it goes in saying the projects that are developed or paid, but we might have the funding for the ones that we agree to or could be the ones that we agreed to as part of generally can be projects that are funded by developers. But the city's taken the lead on making the improvements. And Richard, I'm okay to lose that Would that be one of those the water line that we went up? LOVERIDGE That's one. The other ones we had a real waterline that the 20 inch water road, so we collected up our CS and that's how I remember for Kate. Was it K2? Was K2, Yeah, man. Yeah, we had to run a larger line up there and it really took a high priority because they obviously wanted to get online generally. So I'm new to Pittsburgh, so I'm speaking on past experience, so I apologize if I say anything contrary to operates, most improvements that are triggered by development are constructed by the developers, but there are some projects where it's a it's not needed now, but it'll be needed in the future. And so as developments build, they each kind of contribute to it. Those are generally the city led projects. But there's a trigger point where we really need to strike the improvements that we need broken, whether that's a pump station or or a mainline, increasing the size, maybe it's a new part. I don't know if we cause I really think those are more developers. In my example, in City of Brentwood, there we were, our wastewater treatment plant was starting to get close to capacity. We had to expand it if we wanted to continue developing those types of projects. We don't. We as a city don't want to hold up development. And so if there's a improvement that's needed in order for development to be able to continue, we want to make sure that we're prioritizing that project. I guess one, when I look at city funded projects in those categories, that city funded projects, there's a difference to me between housing development and economic development. So I definitely want to discern between the two necessarily want to prioritize things necessary for housing development over things that are required for local economic will, prioritize housing development and maybe a priority level to want to make that distinction. We're so busy developer funded that's that's these are going to be important early decisions on funding as well we new projects and they get prioritized we're going to want to fund in our highest priority markets. But you're also right, we also have under priority level two since you mentioned and I'll touch on it, we also have projects that are entirely funded by developers, but they're not really necessary or critical. So this would be your your park development, but. Right. It's completely funded by developers. But whether we upgrade a park or not isn't critical for development to occur. So one of those projects would fall under two as opposed to one. And so but you're also right, there are going to be projects that we want to do to spur economic development, spur growth, and so we can try and differentiate those. If you want to separate criteria for economic development driven projects versus housing development driven priority. So and even when you look at housing developments that are yet to be built, right, these sort of longer horizons and this there are so many right now, but plenty of runway for us to look. If we were building the traffic signal for sprints, that would be a, for example, something because I've said we're not going in the same. Yeah, I don't want to I don't know exactly to that point. I don't want to prioritize a water main upgrade or a development that is five years out over this broad signal that that's needed Now. I mean, development benefit is more immediate. I think development makes perfect sense and we've done that very nice thing here is we are sort of writing this down. So we have an established that was right in position to say that because part of this is that when we looked at our cap and see kind of how we came up with these projects and make sure that this then gets into the update to the city. So priority level two is our what we're calling required the medium priority level projects and we have three subcategories there. So as we briefly touched on, this is projects that are fully funded by development. We want to prioritize using those development funds because there are some timing requirements for use of those funds to g would be proponent agency assistant. This is kind of your catchall for projects that have funding from outside agencies, whether it's state or federal grants, partnership with county or neighboring cities. And we want to prioritize these because they generally have their they each have their own deadlines for expenditure of the funds. And we want to make sure we're meeting those deadlines so we don't have to return any funds. And then two, which is really in regards to our maintenance, we want to make sure we're properly maintaining our system, whether it's our roads or our sidewalk or underground utilities, and we're keeping them in good condition. But we also want to prioritize projects where by making an improvement, we're going to reduce our ongoing operating costs and maintenance expenditures. And so those are the three subcategories for priority level two. And since there's not a whole lot, I'll go ahead and go over to level three before we do feedback. Great. Little three really is it's our goal to get to these projects. They're more like I as your esthetic improvements. We really want to beautify our city. They're really good projects for us to do, but they kind of fall lower priority from the other projects. And then we have our catch all bridge. Any project that doesn't fit in any of the other priority criteria. So this is what we have proposed using for prioritizing our capital program and any questions on level two, level three criteria, I'm looking for general overall feedback. Are we on the right approach? You like what we're doing? Is there something you'd like to see us add? You want to change levels. We really would like to try and nail this down. There's a rolled curve there. So what the homeowners are rolling up on the curve with two of their tires so they don't get their car sideswiped. But that narrows the sidewalk down to less than 80 a sidewalk and safety. It's got to be a safe sidewalk. This is something that we need to worry about, right? This is a major arterial through our city. That's an alternative to the freeway. It's the only segment of Leland Road, the bike lanes. It's a four. And solve this one. Okay, so with that, we'll make the one adjustment to party one D to really focus on prioritizing economic development. And then we will incorporate this as part of our updated five year CFP. And so in on each of the projects, we will add a line for project priority and we'll have them as part joint projects. So thank you for your feedback. So next is non agenda items. Now once you take that into your five year VIP, you'll come back to this committee sort of laying out that list and how it was prioritized and then just make sure and then it's a discussion to make sure the subcommittee understands what's on that list and can discuss whether or parties within the priorities, if you will. But there are some legal as laid out. There may be ones that check several boxes within those criteria. Right. And just discussing, well, we want this or a limited amount of dollars and how does it best get leverage. So the way this would be implemented is there are any projects that need several criteria. And you would awarded the highest criteria of all multiple criterias. So in your example, it would be a1b, that's the highest criteria. And the intent of this list is mostly to help us determine workload for our staff. Which party should we be focusing on. So but I'd be happy once we get our our list of projects and we apply what we think the right criteria to be bringing the five year safety to this committee. Before we have a workshop, let's city council could be nice to give at least a heads up, generally trying to let our subcommittees be that sounding board. So to voice like I get these questions and that sort of helps build your presentation to the whole council. Okay, I think we've done that for sure. I'm sure. And on sales tax measure, I appreciate that. And I was kind of looking for the new year, the one forward Freddy Krueger. And so I as we're looking, we're also trying to plan for future years and how to best leverage that. And I know that some of the good standing item on the increased option. So next those are non agenda items. So some things that we want to bring up before I turn it over to you for any questions was a report out on the eighth Street flooding. And what so Jane and Jane have both gone after the site and taking a look at it as a result of the public comments received and reasons and council meeting. So turn it over to them to report out what they saw. Yeah. So we it was great to go out there. And so when we were having heavy rains, we were able to go out several times and to just monitor what was happening. So let me back up when I say or if I'm just speaking, but it seems like there are several things going on. And then so we're evaluating kind of what that is. But the good thing is, is that these recent storms, it didn't get to the level of, I guess, what was city council with that. But that whole area, as you know, has been inundated for the past eight years. Seems like some of it's localized flooding in the street that is being held back by the curves. Right. There's some things that we can do discussing this. But with that particular resident in that house, there's some things that were going on that we saw that might where we needed to have it removed so that those monitor it. Why don't you monitor what's happening on your within your virtual there and then we can come back and discuss it later. Okay guys, visually, it helps. It's not it I observed is that we don't have where the water wasn't backing up to it going into their front yard or going either step, but they still have a problem with the water underneath their houses. It so was ultimately what's going to happen is that in the summer we're going to take a look and see what's going on with their perimeter foundation. Shouldn't have that much water under in that crawl space, just like your house, your all your downspouts, they're all connected and they all go out to the street. Not in this particular case. So what's happening with that great being a premier foundation, all that water that's not getting out the from the root, it's right there was that water going. But without a doubt, you know, it was there was no water that was coming from the street backing up into where we there. Yeah. So here for this one right here there's there's a shack So we're out there and there's no water there. Now you water on the street. I mean it's, it's just like it's during a storm event and at this point water side backing up. Water does backup. It backs up. I'll have clean dozen times a year. That water does get to the point where we have to block out the street because there's 4 to 6 inches of water. But we're out there. No water was on the roadway. And yet these this they were still pumping water with this with this whole space. But, you know, what about here, down about here, down spider downs, back here. Where is that? Once it dries out, we could check it out, go in there, see if there's any any condition of that foundation that's allowing water to penetrate that point of entry is what we were looking for. Where is this water coming from? So I go from back here, that kind from the neighbors. Where is that water coming from? So we need to take a look at it and see if that foundation is compromised. That's basically what it comes down to. But we can't get there now because it's full of water, today's water hasn't been raining or less. And can maybe I just want to go out 30,000 here just in the near so in this is a little look I mean you know all that because it's all marshland this area as it drains, you know, and it's supposed to go this way and then all the way out to the delta. But when the water just fills in because of all the all the rain and this and this generation was, too. Yeah. So that's that's a problem. Since I've been here 20 years, there's been flooding right there. We acquired knocked down the buildings and then put in a pump to try and push the water to here. But it's such a low point, you know, it just doesn't care. There is still a bit of a challenge when we have a very heavy rain. So maybe, yeah, like you said, a half a dozen times a year. But that'll be this neighborhood because it didn't build the flood plains. Now you had high tides. That makes it even more difficult because basically we had the Salmon River, Sacramento River coming up here filling up this channel, and we're trying to get water to something that is in the lowest flooding. And so that makes it even more difficult. So that's why we have this chronic flooding. Well, that's why we made this concrete as it is a chronic problem for households living in and the park construction and the power line construction has not been in suddenly true. Where's the retention base from your housing that wasn't there before the new housing? Does that development have retention? There's no of as a matter of fact, when Olson bought that property, when they were surveying the land, because originally they were looking at flip flopping, that the topography notice that the low point was on the south side of their project. They flip their project and put all the residences, obviously with the higher elevation with Sixth Street. I mean, those are probably for 20 years now. But those, you know, are in June 2005 out here, you know, that grays up to the river and then back there. So we're trying to get one of the homes here, come down this channel, and then we have one over the levee and then it goes out. So actually keep your eye so high. This goes up to the top of the levee and starts overflowing. And we have water from the into our town. That's another challenge we have right now. So a huge storm event that we just had last week or the week before I actually went down and drove that that road right there and went down to that intersection. Right. Because you can't guess this right here, because then they have the gate can't get past that. But he was right there and there wasn't any innovation. So then I went back over here to Eighth Street and there was a little bit of ponding obviously that's why I don't know at what stormy event and how long of a period that needs to happen to where then almost goes into the homes. So that's something we're still I'm I'm trying to evaluate, but I'm always moving at the pumps. I always go in and pump the water into that channel. But then it's one of we just got to determine when that flooding does happen and what that's you can't design for a 100 or 500 year event, Right. That's just not feasible. So we're trying to do the best to see. Okay. Well, to identify why when that happens and it's over here. But I guess the point is we need to and sounds like you're doing it right. Assess what's happening and I think if it's happening, our responsibility as a city to protect the as of right the streets better. So just to let you know that I've been in contact with the resident and we're down there happy that we're at 3:00. You're there at 330. I'm there at 4:00. So they got to know pretty well. And I've talked to the neighbors as well. And what issues are you seeing? when it was described to me, I was thinking that the water was getting so high, it was actually getting in the vents in their crawlspace. Right. That's what I was thinking. That's what I expected. But then they're saying, no, it's six inches below that. They're not getting that water and it's not that's not the point of entry. So anyway, we're still looking like I said, it could be until summer when we really examine Inspector. So we've already kind of just also, I was asking to bring up the locals restroom. Very touched on that was also going to bring up how do we measure condition index. We've already touched on that. So I don't have any other non agenda items at this time unless I'm going to put a little bit on the treatment index. Okay. So couple of years ago we got excited because we thought we saw a number go up for it was in. But when you look at the numbers are still going down. What do did we get a preliminary report and then they some called what Yeah so the company that does the reporting to MTC for the PCI it's a combination of sometimes they do a windshield survey, sometimes they just do a calculation. But what we're taking and compare it apples to apples is that as of December 31st of that year, where is our PCI? And we were showing a trend of that number or six years where we never saw it go up. It kept on going down and we finally saw an uptick. It was, well, not this last December, but December of 21, where it actually well in the correct direction. Now, we're just taken that end of the year PCI, and that's what we're comparing. And as we're saying, hey, we're doing good and stopped going down for the first time in six years. It stopped going down. Now what MTC reports out in report is they do what's called a rolling average is and it's their own calculation that they present that rolling calculation and that rolling average doesn't match our PCI for the year 20 December 31st, 2020. And that's where this mixing of apples and oranges is occurring. So we're reporting the exact number we get from discrete and MTC takes the street saver information and then does a calculation and it shows a different result. So that's where confusion comes from. So I'm a little confused. Yeah. So as I said when I found out about this, okay, so I was like, we have an annual PCI score that's generated, it's actually monthly and they say provide that information on the streets. So Street Saver is a program that every jurisdiction within MTC region uses to manage pavement. And so when we go and we did the survey that data is put into street. So you're on the flip side. When we do a paving project, we're all supposed to be in that district. So what sheets are doing is looking at the street and saying, okay, your PCI is going to be reducing if you don't do anything. But once you make a repair, oh, they'll bring the road up. And so it's constantly giving you a real time evaluation of what it believes the PCI is. But then every 2 to 3 years you do the field survey to verify and reset. And so that end of year work, that's a number we're getting from screen saver based on the last survey that was done based on the age from that time and the improvements you've done. We believe this is your time this year. So key component of that is making sure that we as staff are accurately uploading into street saver the work that we're doing up to that. And so we put a Walmart down to the is it from a data entry standpoint, Is it as refined it is or is it all of leverage is we input that, for example, it is broken or broken up by seconds is not going to be the full road. It's going to be in segments. Now, it's not going to be every side street. So it's going to it's going to group them together. But we can go into it. We can say we did, for example, an overlay over 80% of this segment. And you can put in that level of detail. But, you know, it's not the full it's not the full row. It is broken up. So there's some level of 60. See? 61. Yeah. So for all of you looking at this, the is five points a significant enough that one point isn't going to be noticeable change it's more of a trend. Are you going up or you going down so you can do a different project and not see a one point subject. So the natural variability is actually. Yes, that's what I'm asking for is what's the natural variability? Are we are we okay with one plus or minus two plus or minus two is the variability that I would say, Okay. But again, our goal or what you want to see over time the trend. So that trend is going to be pretty accurate and show whether your roads are getting better or if they're getting worse. But so if the stations with John, you've got a philosophy they want to implement or put in on just slurry sealing, you know, we sort of said how long or how do you like to see that done or you sort of, yeah, so, so in an ideal world, when I worked on this in other jurisdictions, my goal was to touch every road, every 7 to 10 years, as you can imagine. And so the approach I would take and I want to look into it here is I would divide the city up ten zones. And the goal is we're going to repave every road within a zone each year so that at the end of that come back and start over. So you're hitting every road every ten years. The primary focus, as I mentioned, is you're hitting your local roads with your local dollar and then seeking state and federal funds for your arterials and collectors because those are the ones that are eligible for those extra funding. And so I put together this program, this ten year program. You're keeping your good roads good, which is something we really want to make sure we're doing, because as the road deteriorates, the cost of it goes up exponentially. So you really want to focus on the slurry seals, the crack sealing, you keep your good roads good, and then with what's left over, you repair the batteries. So by dividing the city into zones and by trying to hit everything in a ten year program, that PCI level will come up. Now, the initial projects are going to be more difficult because roads haven't been touched over ten years. It's going to be more work than just large deals initially. But once we get this process, this system in place, it frees our. Well, I was going to say, I'd like to emphasize that we can't throw too many significant digits on this PCI because it really is more horrible. Take a look at where's the train going and when we say a point or two and it should not be an alarm, especially when you're using empty seats. Reporter You know, I actually pulled out a screen saver. I talked to an audience and they said, I don't know why they put out that rolling average, looking at it the way we do. Yeah. Look at the end of the year, where's your PCI house compared to the last year? And actually Street Saver does give you a table as a dashboard table of where you've been going for the last five years. And so these are the way we show it in our table. Where is that graph gold? Is it going up or is it gone down or is it flatline? You know, so again, I think that is by far the better way to convey how our streets are, what condition our streets are in. It is a tool right at all. We use as a piece of measuring. Right. The other piece is the gut check right here, right out there for residents. And we understand how it is. Our roads are maintained. Anyone else will have a comment or question. If not, thank you very much for time. I hope you all enjoy your weekend. And this is the end of our Infrastructure Transportation Subcommittee. That's why.