Airport Committee

LOGITECH: GET STARTED WE CALLED ROLE. LOGITECH: YES. WHITNEY EDWARDS. YES. LOGITECH: CONTROL DAN CLARK, BOB COOPERATOR, CLARA ELLIS. LOGITECH: A FAMILY EMERGENCY. YEAH. LOGITECH: AND LISA MCARDLE HERE. LOGITECH: GOOD! GOOD! IT'S GOOD. LOGITECH: SCOTT! WOULD YOU WILLING TO SEND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. LOGITECH: AND TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. LOGITECH: OKAY, THANK YOU. BYE. LOGITECH: THE COMMITTEE WITHIN SUBJECT MATTER, JURISDICTION OF THE AIRPORT COMMITTEE, ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE ANY COMMENT FROM ANYONE IN THE CITY LOGITECH: IN PRESENT, ANYONE ONLINE LOGITECH: EASY LOGITECH: MINUTES. WE HAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO UPDATE THAT WE'RE NOW FINALLY CAUGHT UP WITH GLOBAL MEETING. LOGITECH: CAN WE DO IT ALL TOGETHER OR 3 AT ONCE, OR THE ONE WE DO. LOGITECH: MINUTES HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED OVER HERE. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES I'VE READ. LOGITECH: OR WE CAN MAKE A NOTE OF THEM AND SEND THEM OUT. OKAY, OF VARIOUS AI ALRIGHT POST LOGITECH: GETTING DONE. OKAY. LOGITECH: STAFF UPDATE. OKAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET LOGGED INTO MY COMPUTER. WE JUST DECIDED NOT TO COOPERATE. SO WE'LL JUST DO THIS BY MEMORY. THAT'S HOW WE FEEL. SO THIS IS THE SECOND MONTH THAT YOU'RE SEEING THE FORMAT FOR THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, AND WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO. LOGITECH: I SEE IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT FORMAT. IT IS THE FORMAT THAT IS AVAILABLE IN OUR SYSTEM. SO IT'S NOT UNFORTUNATELY REALLY UP FOR DISCUSSION IF IT COULD BE CHANGED OR MODIFIED, ETC. BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THEM, BECAUSE IT IS A FINANCIAL REPORT. DIRECTLY OUT OF OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEMS, REVENUES APPEAR AS NEGATIVES, WHICH I KNOW IS KIND OF COUNTERINTUITIVE TO LOGITECH: ANY LOGICAL PERSON. YEAH, THAT REVENUES WOULD BE NEGATIVES, BUT REVENUES ARE NEGATIVES, AND EXPENSES ARE POSITIVE. THAT IS THE WAY THEY ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE IN LOGITECH: ANY ACCOUNTING WORLD IS THAT WAY. AND SO I KNOW IT'S WEIRD. BUT IT THAT IS THE. THAT IS THE WAY. IT'S LIKE THE MANDALORIAN WAY SINCE. LOGITECH: BUT DO YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE LOGITECH: WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CLOSING THE FISCAL YEAR JUST ENDED JUNE 30.TH BUT THAT IS A LONG PROCESS, AND, IN FACT, THE BOOKS WON'T BE FULLY CLOSED, PROBABLY UNTIL DECEMBER, OR POSSIBLY EVEN JANUARY WHEN THE AUDIT REPORT IS ISSUED. SO THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN THERE DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE YEAR END JOURNAL ENTRIES OR ACTIVITIES. LOGITECH: AT THIS POINT WE'LL BE. LOGITECH: WE HAVE STARTED THAT PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH AND RECONCILING AND POSTING YOUR INFORMATION. BUT THAT INFORMATION IS IN DRAFT. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THE THE DEPRECIATION OR ANY OTHER FINAL YEAR AND BOND AUDIT ENTRIES THAT NEED TO OCCUR. LOGITECH: OKAY, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON LOGITECH: THE AIRPORT FINANCIAL STAT, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE HANGAR LEASE AND THE AIRPORT FUND DEFICIT. SO WE'RE DOWN TO $527,000, BASICALLY. SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO. YES, FOR THE HANGERS. YEAH, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE THE AIRPORT? LOGITECH: THOSE HANGERS, I'LL SAY, ARE PAYING FOR THEMSELVES, AS IT WERE. AND SO, AS THE THOSE HANGAR PAYMENTS ARE RECEIVED IN. WE MAKE THE MONTHLY PAYMENTS TO PAY DOWN THAT DEBT, AND SO THAT ALL THAT IS THAT WILL HAPPEN ON SCHEDULE. THERE'S THAT'S NOT IN JEOPARDY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. LOGITECH: OKAY? AND THE AIRPORT FUND DEFICIT. THAT'S THE THAT'S LIKE 4.9 BILL. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S OVER 60 YEARS. SO, PAYING FOR THE SINS OF THE FAST. OKAY, ON THE 2 OUTSTANDING LOANS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE TO INDIVIDUALS. IT, YOU KNOW THAT ONE'S A PRETTY OLD LOAN. I THINK IT'S BACK IN 2018 I'D HAVE TO GO LOOK UP THE LOAN DOCUMENTS TO SEE WHAT THAT EQUITY STANDS FOR. OKAY? LOGITECH: AND THEN GREAT COMMENTS. OKAY, THAT'S THAT'S 4 TO 500 ON THE RECEIVABLES. OUTSTANDINGS LOGITECH: WE'VE GOT LOOKS LIKE A COUPLE OF LARGE ACCOUNTS. ONE IS IN BIGGER. AND THE OTHER IS ANYMORE. LOGITECH: YEAH. SO, ANDY BIBBER, PERHAPS CHRISTINE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE US A BETTER UPDATE ON THOSE EFFORTS THAN I CAN. ALTHOUGH WE ARE. YOU'VE SEEN THE RECENT EMAIL EXCHANGES. HE SEEMS RATHER RECALCITRANT AND WILLING TO PAY WHAT IS DUE. LOGITECH: THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A DECISION MADE WHETHER TO PURSUE HIM OR TO JUST WRITE IT OFF. IF HE IS INDEED LEAVING THE AIRPORT. LOGITECH: YOU'RE WELCOME. LOGITECH: IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT CLOSE TO $2,000 OUT THERE. LOGITECH: GRAND TOTAL. LOGITECH: IT DEPENDS ON ALSO THIS. THE 120 DAYS SOMETIMES DEPENDS ON THE BILLING CYCLE. RIGHT? SO WE ALWAYS RUN THIS REPORT AT A CERTAIN POINT OF TIME. AND I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT AT THIS POINT FOR ANDY, YEAH, FOR ANDY, IT'S MORE THAN 2 GRAND BUT FOR LOGITECH: IF WE ARE RUNNING THIS REPORT, SOME OF OUR CUSTOMERS YOU'RE LIKE, BUT IT'S A HUNDRED 20 DAYS PAST DUE. SOME OF OUR CUSTOMERS. IN FACT, SEVERAL OF THE CUSTOMERS OUT AT THE AIRPORT WILL SEND US A LARGE AMOUNT. LOGITECH: ESSENTIALLY CREATING A CREDIT ON THEIR ACCOUNT THAT WE THEN DRAW AGAINST THAT CREDIT FOR THEIR MONTHLY FEES, AND THEN, WHEN THAT CREDIT RUNS OUT, THEY'LL START TO RUN UP A LITTLE BIT OF A BALANCE, AND THEN THEY'LL FINALLY SEND US ANOTHER BIG CHECK. LOGITECH: SO SOME OF THESE, LIKE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, NEWER ONES THAT ARE POPPING UP 120 DAYS. IT COULD JUST BE THE TIMING OF GETTING A PAYMENT FROM THEM. REALLY, WHAT IS HIS REASON FOR NOT PAYING LOGITECH: THESE NUMEROUS REASONS? WHICH DAY IS THIS DISPUTE OVER? LOGITECH: WHO LIKE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE IT COULD BE EITHER A FIXED ASSET OR IT COULD BE A LIKE. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE RENTING A PRIVATELY OWNED AREA. LET'S SAY THAT HAS A GROUND LEASE, AND YOU LOGITECH: LEAVE THAT HANGAR AND SOMEONE ELSE RENTS IT, OR YOU OR YOU OWN IT, AND YOU SELL IT TO SOMEBODY. WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW THAT. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TELL US LOGITECH: THE LEASE DOCUMENT, THE GROUND LEASE DOCUMENT. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW. WE CAN'T TRACK PRIVATE TRANSACTIONS. AND SO SOMETIMES WE DO WITH ANDY AND OTHERS GET INTO SORT OF DISPUTE OVER. WELL, I I WAS OUT OF THE AIRPORT IN MARCH, AND YOU KNOW SOME OTHER PERSON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MARCH THROUGH JUNE, WHICH IS FINE, BUT WE CAN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL YOU LET US KNOW. HEY, I'VE SOLD MY PLANE OR MY PAYER TO SOMEBODY ELSE, AND THEREFORE I'M NO LONGER THE LOGITECH: RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THE RIGHT. SO UNTIL WE RECEIVE THAT NOTICE, YOU KEEP GETTING BILLS, I WAS TO SAY WITH ANDY, HE ON ONE OCCASION HE ALLEGEDLY TRANSFERRED TITLE TO SOME COMPANY IN TENNESSEE. WE IT WAS THE ADDRESS WAS SOME LIKE UPS PO BOX PLACE. IT TOOK US MONTHS TO EVEN GET ANYBODY TO CALL US BACK. LOGITECH: ONE OF THE PLANES HE CLAIMS TO HAVE TRANSFERRED TO A NONPROFIT IN CANADA, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN CANADA, THEY CAN'T TRANSFER TITLE INTO THEIR NAME UNTIL THE PLANE IS OPERABLE AND THEY CAN GET THE PLANE TO CANADA. SO WE'RE LIKE, WELL, UNTIL AND THE FAA STILL SHOWS HIM AS ON TITLE. SO WE'RE LIKE, SO IT'S STILL YOUR PLANE. AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, YOU HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT AS LONG AS IT'S OUR AIRPORT TERMITE. SO IT'S IT'S A COMBINATION OF THOSE KINDS OF CONSTANT REVOLVING DOOR. IT'S ALWAYS A NEW ISSUE LOGITECH: A NEW EXCUSE AS TO WHY HE'S NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING CANDIDLY. LOGITECH: AND LOGITECH: IT'S NOT A LOT OF FUN TO BE A LANDLORD. YEAH, VERY TIME CONSUMING. YEAH. AND IT'S NOT JUST IT'S LIKE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. THE FINANCES INVOLVED. PUBLIC WORKS INVOLVED, THE CITY ATTORNEYS INVOLVED ALL. LOGITECH: WE PROBABLY HAVE MORE HOURS INTO THIS NOW THAN SOMEBODY ELSE. IT'S YEAH LOGITECH: RECONCILING THE ACCOUNTS. LOGITECH: ONE THING THAT JUST STRUCK ME IS INTERESTED IS A REVENUE IN THERE SORT OF SLOWER INVESTMENT REVENUE LOGITECH: CLOSE TO $25,000. SO THAT'S BECAUSE WE DO HAVE CASH BECAUSE WE HAVE CASH IN THE ACCOUNT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE RUNNING OUT DEFICIT. THAT'S CORRECT. DUE DATE. WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BANK, BUT WE'RE STILL AT A DEFICIT. LOGITECH: YOU KNOW, SO WE COULD PULL THAT MONEY OUT OF THE BANK AND PAY THE GENERAL FUND BACK FOR THE DEFICIT OF THE EXIST FOR THIS YEAR. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT REALLY GETS AS MUCH. LOGITECH: OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON FINANCE. LOGITECH: GUESS WHY, HOW ABOUT YOURSELF? LOGITECH: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT NEXT? LOGITECH: RIGHT? LOGITECH: WHAT ACTUALLY NEXT? IS THE AIRPORT MAP? THE LOGITECH: YES, THE RFP. IS OUT AND ADVERTISED. WE'RE EXPECTING PROPOSALS BACK ON AUGUST 6.TH AND WE DID HAVE SOME EXTENSIONS WITH SOME Q. AND A THAT WE SHARED IN AN AGENDA. SO WE ARE EXPECTING PROPOSALS. AUGUST 6.TH WE DID FIND THAT AT LEAST I FOUND ONE OF THE LOGITECH: POTENTIAL VENDORS THAT I HAD TALKED TO. THEY MADE A BUSINESS DECISION. THEY HAVE A LOT OF ONGOING WORK THIS YEAR, AND THEY SAID THEY'RE INTERESTED, BUT NOT THIS YEAR AND FUTURE CHECK BACK IN WITH US. THEY STILL WANT TO HAVE A MEETING WITH US JUST TO LIKE A MEET AND GREET SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO EXPECT AS FAR AS PROPOSALS, BUT I I WOULD IMAGINE WE'LL GET 2 OR 3. SO BUT THERE ARE OTHER VENDORS OUT THERE. LOGITECH: IT DID EXPRESS THAT IT, YOU KNOW. IT WAS CHALLENGING WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED IN THE RFP. THE LACK OF KIND OF SPECIFICITY, AND EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED. BUT WE DID WANT TO CAST A BROAD NET AND SEE WHAT WAS OUT THERE KIND OF ALMOST LIKE AN EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE FOR US, AND IT WILL BE WE'LL SEE WHAT WE GET ON AUGUST 6, TH AND WE'RE OPEN TO NEGOTIATING WITH ANY POTENTIAL PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW. WE'LL WE'LL REVIEW THOSE AND LOGITECH: LIKELY INTERVIEW ALL ALL PROPOSERS LOGITECH: UNLESS THEY'RE THEY HAVE NONSTARTER, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT THAT WE DON'T FIND ACCEPTABLE. LOGITECH: WE'LL REPORT BACK NEXT MONTH SO DEFINITELY PROGRESS ON THAT ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT TOPIC. LOGITECH: I DO. SO AS YOU REVIEW THESE PROPOSALS BEFORE A FINAL DECISION. WILL WE BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, OR WILL YOU MAKE A FINAL DECISION AND COME AND TELL US SO IDEALLY WE COULD EITHER. WE COULD DO ONE OF 2 WAYS. YOU KNOW. WE COULD HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THIS COMMITTEE PARTICIPATE IN THE REVIEW OF THOSE PROPOSALS AT THE MOMENT RICHARD IS REVIEWING IT. PART OF THAT LOGITECH: REVIEW OF THE PROPOSALS, I BELIEVE. YEAH. SO WHEN THEY COME IN, AND IF AN ADDITIONAL MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE WANTED TO BE PART OF THAT REVIEW. TYPICALLY, YOU DON'T REVIEW ALL THE PROPOSALS IN A MEETING, BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING, AND IT IS HIGHLY PROBABLE THAT THERE WILL BE INFORMATION IN THERE THAT THE VENDORS DO NOT WANT TO BE MADE PUBLIC, AND IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT REVIEW IN A PUBLIC MEETING. THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL HAS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA. LOGITECH: AND TYPICALLY VENDORS DO NOT AGREE TO THAT. THEY WOULDN'T BID IF THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CASE. LOGITECH: SO IT COULD BE. THE COMMITTEE DECIDES THAT THERE'S A SUBCOMMITTEE, OR IT COULD BE THAT THE COMMITTEE SAYS, LET'S FIND THAT RICHARD AND STAFF ARE DOING IT AND BRING US YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE MORE VOLUNTEER FROM INSTEAD. I THINK WE DO IT LIKE WE DID THE LOGITECH: RIGHT? LOGITECH: SIMILAR KIND OF SCENARIO WHERE WE JUST BECAUSE, REMEMBER, LIKE, I THINK, THEY HAD TO SUBMIT. LOGITECH: WE HAVE PEOPLE SUBMIT LOGITECH: JUST UNDER COVER THAT I THINK NOT EVEN THE FULL COMMITTEE SAW IT. THE GUY SAW IT WHERE IT WAS FINANCIAL, SO WE MADE SURE THAT THEY HAD ACTUAL MONEY TO DO THE PROJECTS, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT EVERYBODY, SEEING THAT LOGITECH: THE QUESTION REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HOW YOU STARTED. DO YOU GET TO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE IT? SAYS LISA RICHARD. LOGITECH: YOU ALL WRITE DOWN. LOGITECH: THAT DOES DO. WE PREPARE DOWN THE PROPOSALS JUST TO SORT OF WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING IN BROAD DETAIL, AND THEN BRING THAT TO THE WHOLE GROUP TO DISCUSS, BECAUSE THAT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE, I THINK LOGITECH: OH. LOGITECH: NOT KNOW THAT EVERYBODY. YOU PROBABLY WANT TO SEE THEM AT SOME POINT AT THIS IN THIS FORMAT, BEFORE IT GOES UP TO THE 3RD FLOOR. YES. LOGITECH: LIKE THAT. LOGITECH: YEAH. I THINK, LIKE ONCE YOU, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, THINK OF IT LIKE A RECRUITING PROCESS LIKE ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR TOP CANDIDATES, YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUT TOGETHER SOME SORT OF MATRIX FOR EVERYBODY TO REVIEW AND THEIR PROPOSALS, AND THEN THIS LOGITECH: COULD PUT IT ON FOR A DISCUSSION HERE. LOGITECH: SO WHEN WE DO THAT, IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED IN PUBLIC OR DOWN TO, LET'S SAY 2. LOGITECH: WELL, WE HAD ASKED THE VENDORS AT THAT POINT, WHAT'S UP? WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE PUBLIC TO UPDATE OUR FINANCIAL ASSESSMENT ADVISOR? AND SO WHEN WE GOT LOGITECH: STAFF AND FINANCE EXPERTS WENT THROUGH ALL THE PROPOSALS, AND WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO LIKE A TOP. 2 OR 3. I THINK IT WAS, AND SAID THAT WE WENT BACK TO THOSE 3, LOGITECH: AND WE ASKED THOSE 3 TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROPOSALS AND PROVIDE A PROPOSAL THAT COULD BE GIVEN IN A PUBLIC MEETING THAT DIDN'T. LOGITECH: DIDN'T HAVE INFORMATION THAT WAS CONFIDENTIAL OR SENSITIVE TO THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES. SO THEY DID THAT, AND THOSE WERE THE 3 PROPOSALS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE AND THE COMMITTEE HAD 2 OR 3 MEETINGS OF DISCUSSIONS THAT DOES CONTRACT THE PROCESS BY 30 TO 45 DAYS AT LEAST. LOGITECH: AND THEN THEY MADE THE DECISION FROM THERE. SO YOU JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE. THE MORE WE INVOLVE THE COMMITTEE THE LONGER THE PROCESS WILL GO. LOGITECH: I FEEL LIKE IT. I TRUST YOU, AND THAT MANY, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A NICHE. I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY GET 2, MAYBE. MAX 3. WHAT DO YOU THINK, MATT? SO TO SLOW IT DOWN. AND I, YEAH, I MEAN LOGITECH: WELL, ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS, IT HAS TO BE THE RIGHT FIT. WE MIGHT GET 3 PROPOSALS AND NOT LIKE ANY OF THEM, BECAUSE FINANCIALLY, IT NEEDS TO MAKE SENSE FOR BOTH PARTIES. AND THAT'S GONNA BE TOUGH ON A SHOESTRING BUDGET. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SEE. DOES IT EVEN MAKE SENSE FOR US? NOT THAT, HEY? WE'RE COMMITTED TO PICKING ONE. WE'RE NOT. SO WE'LL SEE. HEY? DOES ONE OF THEM ADD VALUE. IF WE FIND THAT, HEY? IT ADDS VALUE. LOGITECH: LIKELY THERE'S GONNA BE SOME COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE COST SAVINGS, SO LOGITECH: IT'LL BE. AND AND ONE OF THE LOGITECH: POTENTIAL PROPOSERS THAT WITHDREW, SAID, HEY, WE CAN SCALE RIGHT LIKE WE CAN. WE HAVE A LOGITECH: KIND OF A MENU OF SERVICES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE, AND WE CAN SCALE ACCORDINGLY. SO I THINK LOGITECH: ONCE WE GET THE PROPOSERS PROPOSALS, WE'LL SEE. HEY, WHAT ARE THEY OFFERING, BUT THEN WE CAN IF WE IF WE LIKE, WE GENERALLY LIKE ONE, THEN WE COULD NOTIFY THEM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT SELECTION, AND THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THAT COMPANY THE LEVEL OF SERVICES, THE SCOPE FINALIZE THE PRICE. IT'S NOT LIKE A LOW COST BID. LOGITECH: SO WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY ONCE WE RECEIVE THE PROPOSALS. YEAH, IT IT GOING FROM YOU BACK TO US AND THEN TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE PRIVACY AND DISCLOSURES AND ALL THE THINGS. I I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE LOGITECH: MAYBE PRODUCTIVE, OR LOGITECH: I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE THAT LONG TO WORK IT OUT. THE KEY IS, WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE COMING UP WITH. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES I THINK FOR US IS THAT WE PUT IT OUT. BASICALLY, WE WANT SOME COMING TO MANAGE IT. WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE FUEL. SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH THEM IS SAYING, NO, WE WANT THE FUEL LOGITECH: AND THEN WE'LL PAY YOU A FEE ON TOP OF ALL THAT. SO I I THINK ONE OF THE ONE OF THE DECISIONS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IS, LET'S LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PACKAGE THAT THE ENTIRE PACKAGE MAKES SENSE. EVEN IF WE HAVE TO GET SOMETHING UP OVER HERE, WE CAN GET MORE OVER HERE, SO WE WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL, AS MATT SAID, WE, WE CREATED THE THE LOGITECH: THE RFP. SO THAT IT IS A BLANK CANVAS. THEY CAN COME IN, AND THEY CAN SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO FOR YOU, AND IF IT WORKS FINE, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO PLAN BC OR D, AND ANY RECOMMENDATION WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. LOGITECH: MAKES SENSE. YEAH, I LIKE YOUR POINT, MATT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PICK ONE. RIGHT? RIGHT? LOGITECH: YEAH, WE HAVE TEAMS IN PLACE, I MEAN. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NOT GOING ON. I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST LOGITECH: OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE IS THAT A PROFESSIONAL FIRM COMING IN, CONCENTRATE ON DRIVING THE REVENUE SIDE OF THE OF THE BUSINESS RATHER THAN THE EXPENSE SIDE, AT LEAST ON THE EXPENSE SIDE PRETTY MUCH. IT'S THE REVENUE GENERATION SIDE THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS GONNA BE THEIR BIGGEST CHALLENGE. LOGITECH: HOW THEY YOU KNOW HOW THEY APPROACH THAT, AND HOW THEY THEY SAY THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT FOR US. LOGITECH: AND ONE THING TO NOTE THAT WE HEARD IN ONE OF THE THE VISITS WAS ONE OF THE COMPANIES. I THINK I THINK THEY'RE OUT OF CANADA, BUT THEY'VE INSTITUTED LIKE, WHAT WAS IT? FOOD TRUCK NIGHTS? THEY HAVE LIKE A REAL BIG COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ELEMENT. SO WE MIGHT BE. LOGITECH: YOU KNOW, RECEIVE SOME REALLY INNOVATIVE PROPOSALS WHERE NOT ONLY ARE THEY GONNA PROVIDE SERVICE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA KIND OF RAISE THE BAR AND ADD ELEMENTS THAT WE WE CURRENTLY DON'T OFFER. SO IT'LL BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THAT PARTICULAR ONE IS OUT OF CANADA, BUT I THINK THEY'VE GOT 2 OR 3 AIRPORTS THAT THEY RUN IN CANADA, AND THEN THEY RUN 3 DOWN HERE IN THE WEST. LOGITECH: SO SO THESE GUYS ARE PLAYERS. I MEAN, THAT'S THE YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KEY. SO THE 2 REALLY TALK 2 OR 3 THAT WE'RE TALKING OUR PLAYERS JUST ONE OFF, AND I THINK I CAN DO THIS. I'LL RUN THE SHOP FOR YOU COMPANIES THAT HAVE ESTABLISHED TRACKER, BUT WE'LL SEE. YOU KNOW. I HAVE NO IDEA WE'LL SEE IT ON THIS. LOGITECH: ANXIOUS TO SEE. ALL RIGHT. LOGITECH: PRETTY GOOD. LOGITECH: ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. LOGITECH: SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOU FORMED A SUBCOMMITTEE, THE RFP. RESPONSES. LOGITECH: JUST WANT THE MINUTES TO BE ACCURATE. LOGITECH: OKAY, ALRIGHT GOOD. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT. OKAY. LOGITECH: GOOD FUEL SALES. LOGITECH: FUEL SALES. JUST A REAL BRIEF CHECK IN I SHARED JUST SOME OF THE NUMBERS LOOKS LIKE THE FUEL SALES WENT UP. ABOUT LOGITECH: LOOKS LIKE 2,600 GALLONS FOR THE MONTH YET, BECAUSE WE'RE COLLECTING HALF THE MARGIN. THE REVENUE IS STILL DOWN. LOGITECH: SO THERE'S OVERALL LESS PROFIT LOOKS LIKE AT ABOUT 50%, LOGITECH: A LITTLE OVER 50%. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. SO FAR WE ARE SELLING MORE FUEL, BUT WE'RE NOT SELLING DOUBLE THE FUEL, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER WE WANT TO EXTEND THIS LOGITECH: RIGHT? SO PEOPLE AREN'T FLYING AS MUCH IN THE MIDDLE OF LIKE. THEY'RE NOT FLYING AS MUCH WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED 4 DEGREES IN LITTLE GENERAL AVIATION AIRPLANES, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A/C USUAL AT SOME POINT LOGITECH: LIKE WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THIS EXPERIMENT. IS IT WORKING AT THIS TIME? RIGHT THAT YOU KNOW WE 1ST CAME BACK. IT'S LIKE WELL, NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT. AND NOW THE WEATHER'S TOO HOT, AND SO WE AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO DECIDE IS THIS AN EXPERIMENT THAT IS WORTHWHILE CONTINUING BECAUSE IT IS AFFECTING THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE AIRPORT THAT IS SO SO TIGHT, EFFECTIVELY SHOWS. THE LAST YEAR OR SUMMER WAS LOGITECH: A LOT HOTTER THAN IT IS AS OPPOSED TO LAST YEAR. WE'RE STILL DOWN. WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER SO, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A 10% REDUCTION FUEL COST, IT WAS ABOUT A 50% REDUCTION IN OUR PROFIT MARGIN. SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE LIKE. LOGITECH: MOVE IT BACK UP LIKE. INSTEAD OF WE HAD A DOLLAR MARGIN. APPROXIMATELY. WE WENT TO 50 CENTS. I WOULD SUGGEST WE GO BACK TO 75 CENTS LOGITECH: GO HALFWAY BACK TO THE OLD NORMAL. BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M THINKING, BECAUSE I'M JUST LIKE, LET'S SLOW DOWN THE BLEEDING CAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE ONGOING REAL EXPENSES, AND THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY. THE OTHER THING I'LL DO IS I'LL CHECK WITH TRACY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT KICKED THIS OFF, I MEAN. SHE DOUBLED HER SALES, AND SO LET ME. I'LL DOUBLE. I'LL CHECK BACK WITH HER TO SEE WHETHER THAT'S STILL TRENDING WHICH IT WAS LAST TIME I CHECKED CHECK WITH HER 2 MONTHS AGO. LOGITECH: BUT WOULD GO. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT. LOGITECH: I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO IT. OKAY, THANKS, BOB. ANY DISCUSSION. LOGITECH: OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR. SAY, AYE, AYE, OPPOSED LOGITECH: PERFECT. THEN. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. LOGITECH: I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE THE LEAST EXPENSIVE, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE. WE'LL BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE LEAST EXPENSIVE, LIKE ALMOST IN LINE, RATHER THAN YOU KNOW, BEING AT THE VERY BOTTOM. WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE GROUP, PROBABLY IN THE BOTTOM. 3 REGIONALLY. LOGITECH: OKAY, OKAY. LOGITECH: DATA OPERATIONS. LOGITECH: OH, YES. YES. SO I THINK YOU ALL HAVE THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT OUT. SO NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, BUT THAT WILL BE GOING INTO EFFECT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. LOGITECH: SOON AS THAT'S PROJECT IS DONE. THEN THE IN ONE FREE APPLE MOVIES GOING THROUGH GATE 2 LOGITECH: WE HAVEN'T THAT I KNOW OF AS OF TODAY. NO ONE'S CALLED BUT VERY FEW. LOGITECH: THAT'S HOW WE GET THESE AWARD OUT. WE HAVE A EMAIL GROUP TO ALL OF THE LOGITECH: ANYONE WHO HAS AN AGREEMENT AT THE AIRPORT EMAIL THIS. LOGITECH: SO WITH THAT. BUT IS THERE ANYONE THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTACTS ON? I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE WE'LL FIND OUT PRETTY QUICKLY. YEAH, AND WE WILL HAVE. WE WILL HAVE SIGNAGE. THAT'S GONNA GO UP ON THE GATE, OR UP ON THE KEYPAD, SO EVERYBODY WILL KNOW WHAT GATE YOU HAVE TO GO TO. LOGITECH: SO ALL THE TRAFFIC WILL FUNNEL THROUGH. LOGITECH: OH, OKAY. SO DURING THE DAYTIME THEY CAN STILL USE THAT. SO? NO, IN OR OUT. OKAY. AND THEN, WHILE IT'S PROJECT IS IN LOGITECH: ACTION, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO MOVE THROUGH THAT SPACE? SO GATE 4 WILL REMAIN OPEN UNTIL THIS PROJECT IS DONE. IT'S OKAY. YEAH. NO PROBLEM. BUT ONCE THIS PROJECT IS DONE, THEN ALL 3 GATES WILL BE IN EFFECT EXCELLENT LOVE IT. LOGITECH: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON. LOGITECH: THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASSIGNED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GATE. IF THEY TRY TO GO OUT OR DON'T REMEMBER OR SEE. I MEAN, WE COULD PUT A LARGE ONE ON THE GATE. WE COULD. IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM, WE COULD DO THAT. LOGITECH: WE HAVE SO MANY SIGNS THAT YOU GET THAT GETS SIGNED LATER. WHEN IS THIS HAPPENING? AUGUST ONE? LOGITECH: I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, HOW ABOUT THE THE PERSONAL DATE THERE BY THE THE MAIN OPEN AT TIMES. LOGITECH: YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY JUST OPENS THE THING, THE THING THAT THERE'S A CHAIN THAT YOU CAN LOGITECH: KEEP IT OPEN UNTIL ANYBODY CAN WALK THROUGH. SO WHAT SECURITY WILL BE PUT ON THE APPS? LOGITECH: I THINK WE HAVE 6 MANDATES TOTAL THAT ARE ON KEYPAD. SO LOGITECH: I, I THINK WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS WHAT AT THIS POINT HAS LED US TO WHERE WE'RE AT IS THE VEHICLE SO LOGITECH: CAUSE ANYBODY COULD PROBABLY THE GATE OPEN THE OTHER ONES. YOU CAN'T PROP OPEN THE DRIVING GATES. LOGITECH: THAT IS ONE OF OUR PROPOSALS WITH THE CAM CHARGES HAVING THE KEY FOBS LOGITECH: NOT TRACK. EVERYBODY'S IN AND OUT. EVEN THE KEY. EVEN WITH THE KEY FOB THE GATE COULD STILL THE CHAIN COULD STILL BE LEFT OPEN. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT. LOGITECH: YOU'D HAVE TO ALMOST PUT ALARM ON THE GATE THAT IT WOULD GO OFF REALLY OBNOXIOUSLY IF IT WAS LEFT OPEN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. LOGITECH: WE HAVE IT SLAM TO MATT'S CELL PHONE. NO, IT'S ALWAYS ON SILENCE WHEN SOMEONE NOTICES THOSE GATES AREN'T CHANGED THEM AND CLOSE THEM. WE DO. OKAY? BECAUSE THAT'S I MEAN THE ONES THAT COULD BE CHAINED OPEN ARE ALL. THERE'S ONLY ONE AT THE PIRATES LOUNGE. LOGITECH: OKAY. LOGITECH: THAT FEELS LIKE THE BEST ACCESSIBLE ONE, BECAUSE THE ONES BY YOU WERE KIND OF HIDDEN. LOGITECH: AND THOSE ARE THE CAMERAS ARE ON THOSE. SO LOGITECH: SOMEBODY DOES. CAN WE JUST TAKE THE CHAIN OFF? LOGITECH: YEAH, WE CAN. BUT SOMEBODY WILL PUT A ROPE ON IT. LOGITECH: THEY'RE VERY CREATIVE. LOGITECH: YEAH. PEOPLE ARE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY THEY WANNA DO RIGHT? LOGITECH: ANY OTHER THOUGHTS COMMENTS ON ON THESE COOL. LOGITECH: OKAY, HANGAR PARKING. YUP. SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT OUT FOR FEEDBACK. LOGITECH: AT LEAST COMPLAINED ABOUT IT AND WHAT IT IS. LOGITECH: I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME. LOGITECH: WE'RE JUST GONNA HOOK THE TOW TRUCK UP AND THE 1ST ONE WE'RE TAKING CARS, NOT REALLY. WE'RE GONNA TAKE THEM RIGHT TO YOUR HOUSE. RIGHT? LOGITECH: WE WILL. THE PLAN IS WE'RE GONNA PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. AND WE'LL GENTLY WORK OUR WAY INTO ENFORCEMENT ON IT. WE'LL PUT SOMETHING ON THEIR CAR THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, PER NEW REGULATION. THIS IS WHAT YOU WHAT YOU CANNOT DO ANYMORE. AND AFTER. AND THEN WE'LL JUST KNOW WHO WE'RE DOING THAT TO. AND IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THEN LOGITECH: THE PORTABLE HANGERS WHO WHO PAYS FOR THE POWER CONNECTIONS, HOW? HOW IS THE POWER PAID FOR THOSE PORTABLE HANGERS. LOGITECH: SO THAT IS THROUGH THE LEASE. LOGITECH: I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THEY'RE ALL ON A THE MAJORITY OF THEM SHARE METERS. LOGITECH: SO I SAW LOGITECH: ON ONE OF THE 100 DEGREE DAYS, A TESLA THAT WAS PLUGGED IN AND CHARGING OFF OF A PORT PORT, AND IT WAS A/C WAS RUNNING ON IT, BECAUSE THOSE THINGS WILL CLIMATE CONTROL, EVEN IF NO ONE'S IN THE CAR. LOGITECH: AND I WAS THINKING, ALL RIGHT. WHO'S SPINNING THE METER WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT IS THE CITY PAYING FOR THAT? WE'RE NO, WE ARE NOT. IT'S IT'S PASSED ON. OKAY. LOGITECH: I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS ON PERCENTAGES. BUT IT IS POSSIBLE. OKAY. LOGITECH: ARE WE ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THINGS THAT ARE OPEN FOR A VOTE, SIR? LOGITECH: LET'S DO THAT. LOGITECH: WE CAN HAVE. WE CAN'T HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT. IS THAT CORRECT? LOGITECH: IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR. IF THERE'S NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN, THEN THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. LOGITECH: JUST I KNOW THE INTENT OF THE PARTNER LETTER, BUT I KNOW HOW IT WAS RECEIVED. I GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS LOGITECH: TO OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, OUR EA MEETING, AND LOGITECH: 2 COMMENTS, ONE, IT SEEMED EXCESSIVELY DIRECTED RATHER THAN ADVISORY, WHICH I GUESS WAS THE INTENT, BUT IT WAS TAKEN IN KIND OF A, LOGITECH: YOU KNOW. LOGITECH: THE MANNER WAS RECEIVED WAS NOT REALLY GOOD, AND THE SECOND REASON THEY HAD TO DO WITH THE STORY. LOGITECH: BUT THAT WAS THE, YOU KNOW. SO IT REALLY WASN'T CLEAR WHY. LOGITECH: A LITTLE BIT BETTER, I THINK. LOGITECH: WHAT WE DID WAS WE PUT OUT THIS ADVISORY INFORMATION TO EVERYBODY. LOGITECH: I DON'T SEE THAT PEOPLE THINK THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM LOGITECH: PARKING. SO I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD. THEY WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD, AND IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WORKING ON AN AIRPLANE, THEY'RE GOING TO GO OVER 3 OR 4 HANGERS ON THE OTHER ROAD AND TALK TO SOMEBODY. THE IMPLICATION IS, THEY CAN'T DO THAT AT THAT POINT. SO I JUST THINK LOGITECH: IT WAS VERY DIRECTIVE, AND I THINK IT WAS TAKEN A BIT OF OFFENSE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO THIS IS FEEDBACK LOGITECH: BOOM. LOGITECH: THANK YOU. LOGITECH: YES, YEAH. LOGITECH: I LOOKED AT IT. AND I SAID THIS, IT SEEMS TO BE JUST STRAIGHTFORWARD AND FACTUAL. YEAH. LOGITECH: THE NEXT PART WAS MISSING WAS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE SOLVING? LOGITECH: WE HEAR HIM LOGITECH: BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PARTICULARLY THE NORTH END OF THE AIRPORT. THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL MOVING AROUND. AND AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A REAL PROBLEM NOW, YOU KNOW, WASN'T INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THE DISCUSSION EARLY ON HERE. BUT I LOGITECH: I JUST HATE TO SEE TOO MUCH EFFORT BEING MADE, AND TOO MUCH. LOGITECH: OH, BAD FEELINGS CREATED OVER SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REALLY A HUGE PROBLEM. LOGITECH: WELL, I KNOW I MENTIONED IT. BECAUSE IN GOING WALKING AROUND THE HANGERS I NOTICED 5 OR 6 VEHICLES LOGITECH: PARKED OUT OF CLOSED RIGHT OUTSIDE OF CLOSED HANGARS. LOGITECH: AND HAVING BEEN A PILOT FOR MANY YEARS, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS HAVING TO AVOID VEHICLES IN A MORE CONSTRICTED SPACE, AND THERE'S ALWAYS POSSIBILITY OF LOGITECH: WING RASH OR VEHICLE TOUCH. SO KEEPING IT CLEAN BECAUSE IT'S A TAXI WAY. LOGITECH: JUST A FEW AIR NEW HANGERS THERE IN EACH ROW. I DON'T KNOW LIKE I SAY, WHEN I GO OUT THERE, I DON'T SEE. I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM. SO ON TIME I HEAR YOU LET ME. AT THE NEXT MEETING I'LL COME OUT AND WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL RAISE THAT SUBJECT. LOGITECH: OKAY. CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HELP. I'M GONNA SAY, CLEAN UP THE AIRPORT WITH SOME THINGS THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT, BUT SOME AREAS THAT THAT REALLY WERE BAD. BUT OKAY. LOGITECH: IF THERE'S GROWTH OF VENDORS OF THIS YET, I CERTAINLY WOULD SEE IF SOMEBODY'S PART OF THEIR CAR ON A HANGAR ROW FOR 2 OR 3 DAYS WHILE THEY'RE OFF FLYING SOMEWHERE, THAT'S A PROBLEM. YEAH. LOGITECH: BUT WHERE SOMEBODY IS. LOGITECH: YOU KNOW, GOING AROUND THE PATTERN 3 TIMES AND THEN BRINGING THE AIRPLANE BACK. AND I DON'T KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF THE ENFORCEMENT IS GONNA BE LOGITECH: STRICT. IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, YOU KNOW. LOGITECH: I MEAN, WHO'S GONNA BE GOING AROUND CHECKING, THAT IS IS, RICHARD GONNA BE GOING AROUND DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR CARS THAT ARE PARKED LOGITECH: OUR RESPONSE WILL PROBABLY BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN. I MEAN, RICHARD RICH HAS GOT A LOT OF THINGS TO DO. THIS IS MORE OF LIKE, HEY, BE A COURTEOUS NEIGHBOR. DON'T LEAVE YOUR CAR PARKED OUT UNATTENDED. BE RESPECTFUL OF OTHERS, AND IF THERE'S COMPLAINTS WE'LL ADDRESS THEM. SO THAT BRINGS UP THE QUESTION. WERE THERE COMPLAINTS BEFORE? YEAH. LOGITECH: OKAY, WELL, GOOD POINTS. AND I'LL I'LL COME OUT THERE AND WE'LL WE'LL ADDRESS IT HEAD ON. LOGITECH: VERY GOOD THANKS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON LOGITECH: ON THIS ONE. OKAY, NO WORRIES. LOGITECH: OKAY. LOGITECH: HANG A PROJECT. LOGITECH: JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE. ED'S MOVING FULL STEAM AHEAD, THE BEST OF HIS AND HIS TEAM'S ABILITY. HE IS VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT HE WILL BE MOVING DIRT NEXT TUESDAY. I THINK HE'S GETTING DELIVERY OF THE BARRICADES TODAY AS WE SPEAK. HE WAS HERE EARLIER. I THINK HE PROBABLY HAD TO RUN OUT THERE, NOT SURE IF HE'LL BE BACK BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING. BUT HE'S LOOKING AT STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON TAXIWAY F. LOGITECH: FIRST, ST THE THE TAXI, THE LARGER TAXI WAY THAT ACCESSES THE FUEL ISLAND. HE AND HIS CONTRACTOR BELIEVE IT'S A 3 WEEK PROJECT. LOGITECH: I BELIEVE, HE SAID. HE PLANNED ON BEING COMPLETE WITH PAXIWAY F. BY AUGUST 18, TH AHEAD OF WINGS AND WHEELS, WHICH IS FRIDAY, AUGUST 20, SECOND, AND SATURDAY, AUGUST 23.RD HE'S BEEN WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH STAFF ON LOGITECH: COMPLETING ALL THE REQUIRED LOGITECH: REQUIREMENTS FOR HIS PLAN. APPROVAL WHICH HE HAS NOT YET RECEIVED. HE DOES NEED TO PLACE LIKE AN INSPECTION DEPOSIT, GET HIS PLANS APPROVED, PROVIDE A COPY OF HIS PAYMENT AND PERFORMANCE BOND AND SOME OTHER TASKS. BUT HE IS PUSHING HARD TO START WORK. LOGITECH: TUESDAY, I BELIEVE. LOGITECH: TODAY TOMORROW OR FRIDAY HIS CONTRACTOR, WESTERN, WILL BE OUT DOING SOME EXPLORATORY POTHOLING I SAW THIS MORNING. PUBLIC WORKS STAFF IS OUT MARKING UP THE UTILITIES FOR THE U.S.A. HE DOES HAVE A CHALLENGING GEOTECH REPORT TO WORK WITH, I GUESS. WHEN THE AIRPORT WAS CONSTRUCTED. THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIAL USED TO TO RAISE THE ELEVATION OUT THERE, SO LOGITECH: HE DOESN'T HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE OF HOW MUCH OVER EXCAVATION HE MAY BE REQUIRED TO DO. ESTIMATES ARE AS LARGE AS 25,000 CUBIC YARDS OF EXPORT, 25,000 CUBIC YARDS OF ENGINEERED FILL. SO HE HAS SOME CONCERNS, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE WITH TRUCKING AND EVERYTHING. LOGITECH: SO THEY'RE GOING OUT. THEY'RE DOING SOME MORE DUE DILIGENCE. HIS CONTRACTOR IS WESTERN ENGINEERING CONTRACTORS OUT OF LOOMIS. AND HE'S HOPING TO GET STARTED ON TUESDAY SO HE CAN GET HIS TAX AWAY CONSTRUCTED IN 3 WEEKS, WHICH IS THEIR 1ST ORDER OF BUSINESS, SO THEY CAN NOT CONFLICT WITH WINGS AND WHEELS. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE'RE AT, AND THE AND THE THE LOGITECH: PROJECT COMPLETION. DATE IS SOMETIME IN THE SPRING. HE WANTED TO BE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT IT'S LOOKING LIKE FEBRUARY MARCH WITH CONSTRUCTION THROUGH THE WINTER. SO HE'S GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY SOME EXPENSIVE DEWATERING OPERATIONS. IF WE HAVE A WET WINTER WITH AS MUCH EXCAVATION THAT HE'S DOING. SO IT'S GONNA BE IT'S GONNA BE A DEMANDING PROJECT TO DELIVER THROUGH THE THE FALL AND WINTER. LOGITECH: IT MIGHT BE BETTER, ANYWAY. SO TO MITIGATE DUST AND ALL THAT. LOGITECH: WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS BOTH INTERNALLY, AND THEN WITH THE WITH THE AIRPORT CONSULTANT ABOUT THE TIMING OF EVERYTHING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST WINGS AND WHEELS. BUT IT'S IT'S ALSO THE TRAFFIC FLOW, BECAUSE BOTH THE EXISTING ENTRY INTO THE FUEL AREA AND THE AND THE NEW ONE, THEY WOULD BOTH BE OUT OF COMMISSION, WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT IN, WHICH WOULD BE BAD. SO THIS IS SO LOGITECH: ABLE TO COME UP WITH A WITH A PLAN TO GET THE NEW 1 1ST GETS IN. THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF DAYS OF A PROBLEM, BUT I MEAN IT SHOULD BE SHOULD BE FINE. LOGITECH: SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY DISRUPTION. LOGITECH: AND WE NEED TO DO A RIBBON GROUND GROUND BREAKING SORT OF RIBBON, CUTTING CEREMONY EARLY AUGUST, I THINK, IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT YESTERDAY. LOGITECH: COOL? YEAH. LOGITECH: AND THEN ALL THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE OUT THERE BY THEN, SO WE CAN GET THAT IN THE BACKGROUND. THEN LOGITECH: WHOLE COMMITTEE THERE LOGITECH: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ON THE HANGAR BUILD? I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS REALLY EXCITING. THIS IS THE 1ST CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GONE OUT THERE. AND IT'S GONNA REALLY SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR US LOGITECH: MOVING FORWARD ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ON OUR HANGERS. LOGITECH: OKAY. LOGITECH: MOVING RIGHT ALONG BACK WITH CAM. SO AS REQUESTED. WE RAN OUR CAM CHARGE DRAFT PROGRAM BY CHRISTINE, OUR CITY ATTORNEY. SHE SAID THAT LOGITECH: IT! IT SEEMED LIKE TOTALLY LEGIT. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SO SHE DID SOME SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS SCHEDULE THE EAA. AND I DON'T KNOW SCOTT. WHEN THE NEXT I WENT ON YOUR WEBSITE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS MEET ON THURSDAYS. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS LOGITECH: 12TH BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE HAD LAST MONTH. LOGITECH: BUT WE'RE OPEN. LOGITECH: YEAH, I'M ACTUALLY LOGITECH: ON VACATION LIKE THE 10TH THROUGH THE 16.TH ARE YOU GUYS MEETING BEFORE THAT BY ANY CHANCE? NO, NO. SO SEPTEMBER 10TH WOULD BE THE NEXT DAY AFTER THAT. LOGITECH: OH, WAIT. YOU SAID, OKAY. SEPTEMBER 10.TH LOGITECH: I GUESS THAT COULD WORK. ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY. SEPTEMBER. LOGITECH: I'M SORRY. AUGUST 9.TH IT'S OUR NEXT GATHERING, AND THEN THE ONE AFTER THAT, IN SEPTEMBER 13, TH LOGITECH: SATURDAY, THE 9.TH WHAT TIME IS YOUR MEETING? LOGITECH: WE DO WHAT WE DID BEFORE, USUALLY NOT A SOCIAL HOUR, FROM 8 TO 9, AND THEN A AIRPORT MEETING. 9 O'CLOCK. LOGITECH: I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO MY WIFE ABOUT THAT ONE. LOGITECH: SHE WENT ON. VACATION, NOT ON VACATION. YEAH, WE'RE LEAVING ON THE 10.TH BUT I THINK WE'RE PLANNING ON LEAVING SATURDAY. LOGITECH: WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE? SCOTT? SEPTEMBER 10.TH THAT GIVES US SEVERAL MONTHS. SEPTEMBER 10TH IS FINE. SEPTEMBER 13.TH LOGITECH: YEAH, LET'S JUST THAT ONE WORKS FOR ME. SEPTEMBER 13.TH THAT WORK FOR YOU, RICHARD. OKAY. OH, STOKED ABOUT IT. YEAH. LOGITECH: OUR GATHERING IN SEPTEMBER. WE'LL WE'LL HAVE THE AIRPORT MEETING. LOGITECH: ARE THERE ANY OTHER TOPICS YOU THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO COVER? WE COULD PROBABLY GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE HANGAR PROJECT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE CAM CHARGE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT OUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT LOGITECH: ANYTHING ELSE, MAYBE JUST THE LOGITECH: THE LONGER. WELL, PART OF THE CAM DISCUSSION HAVE LONGER TERM PLANS FOR THE AIRPORT, BUT I MEAN UPDATES ON SOME OF THAT STUFF LIKE, YOU KNOW. LOGITECH: SOME OF THE CONCERNS WILL BE A PAVEMENT AND THE RUNWAY, AND SO LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S ALL WOULD BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION ON THAT. I WOULD PREPARE TO TALK ABOUT THE OUTCOME OF THE FUEL SALES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION ORIGINATED LAST YEAR. OKAY, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE SENT OUT LIKE THE CAM PART IS REALLY IMPORTANT. LOGITECH: WE WROTE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BRIEF. THAT SORT OF JUST GAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ABOUT LIKE WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING AND WHAT IT WOULD FUND, AND LOGITECH: THE WHY, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET PEOPLE TO KIND OF CHEW ON A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE SHOW UP VERSUS, UNLESS YOU THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE THEM SUPER MAD. A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS. YOU CAN'T LOGITECH: CAN'T DO THINGS WITHOUT ANY MONEY. LOGITECH: SO I MEAN, IF YOU. IF YOU PUT SOMETHING THAT TOGETHER, FOR EXAMPLE, EMAIL IT TO YOUR EMAIL LIST TO PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVE. AND THEN WE CAN COPY THE SAME THING AND PUT IT OUT TO OUR EMAIL LIST, WHICH LOGITECH: THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. OKAY? SO IT WILL REALLY BE AN AIRPORT MEETING HOSTED BY THE EA, YEAH, YES, IT'S A CITY MEETING HOSTED BY EA, RIGHT? LOGITECH: WHICH MEANS WE'LL NEED TO DO AN AGENDA RIGHT LOGITECH: GOOD. LOGITECH: ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON. LOGITECH: OH, THAT'S FINE. YEAH, I HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER NAME RATHER THAN MARKET ENFORCEMENT. LOGITECH: THAT WAS WITH THAT ONE. LOGITECH: YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GET SCOTT A LITTLE POLICE STICKERS. WE COULD JUST SLAP ON A SHIRT. LOGITECH: I HAVE A FIRE TRUCK. I JUMP IN EVERY NOW AND THEN TRACK AROUND. I GOT COP CARS ONES THEY DON'T USE. OKAY, MATT PLASTER HANGER. OKAY, PLASTER HANGER. THIS IS A VERY CRUDE DRAFT. I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME OF THE HIGH LEVEL INFORMATION IN THERE, AND I NEED TO VERIFY THE RENT. I BELIEVE IT'S 4 20, BUT LOGITECH: THAT WAS THE LAST I HEARD. IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER. THE CAM FEE THAT WE HAD PROPOSED $24 A MONTH. I INCLUDED THAT AS FAR AS THE 8 CENTS GROUND LEASE RATE, AND THEN LOGITECH: LET'S SEE, I HAD. I BUILT IN SOME REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS LOGITECH: AND TRYING TO SEE WHERE THAT WAS. OH, YEAH, SCOPE OF SERVICES. SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, OR SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS PAINTINGS. LOGITECH: CRACK CEILING, AND SLURRY CEILING, WHICH I FORGOT TO PUT THE CRACK SEAL PART OF IT IN THERE. BUT WE CRACK SEAL, THEN SLURRY SEAL. THE PERIMETER AREA THAT LOOKS LIKE WAS SLURRIED IN SOME POINT IN THE PAST, SURROUNDING THE BUILDINGS ABOUT 70,000 SQUARE FEET LOGITECH: AND THEN INSPECTING THE ELECTRICAL, BRINGING UP TO CODE, REMOVING NONCOMPLIANT SYSTEMS AND THEN INSPECTING AND REPAIRING ALL HANGAR DOORS. AND I THOUGHT, I PUT IN HERE. LOGITECH: YEAH, REPAIRING ANY ROOT LEAKS TO ENSURE WEATHER TECH FACILITIES. LOGITECH: THOSE WERE THE IMPROVEMENTS I THINK WE DISCUSSED AS AS WANTING A REQUIREMENT OF A NEW OWNER AT LOGITECH: BASED ON THE 4 20, THE THE MONTHLY RENTS ABOUT IN THE $12,000 RANGE. OUR GROUND LEASE FEE WOULD BE AROUND 3,000 SO EFFECTIVELY. WHOEVER WERE TO TAKE OVER AND MANAGE THESE WOULD BE RECEIVING A REVENUE OF ABOUT $9,000 A MONTH, WHICH IS OVER 3 MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE 30 YEAR TERM. SO I OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT IS A UPFRONT LUMP SUM PAYMENT, AND THEN I KIND OF LEFT. LOGITECH: LET THE 10 YEAR EXTENSION KIND OF OPEN ENDED LIKE, HEY, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE? WHAT'S THE VALUE? ADD? MAYBE THEY WOULD DO ANOTHER SLURRY SEAL OR ANOTHER PAINT JOB AFTER 30 YEARS. I'M NOT SURE BUT WE MIGHT ALSO WANT TO CONSIDER. HEY? MAYBE THEY HAVE TO PAINT IT EVERY HOW OFTEN DO WE PAINT CITY BUILDINGS? IT SHOULD BE 7 TO 10 YEARS. SO WE MIGHT WANT TO BUILD IN, HEY? PAINT THE BUILDING EVERY 10 YEARS. I MEAN, IDEALLY, SLURRY SEALS HAPPEN EVERY LOGITECH: 2 TO 7 YEARS, BUT THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A HUNDRED $1,000 TO CRACK SEAL AND SLURRY SEAL SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. LOGITECH: MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS. LOGITECH: THAT IS THE 2 TO 7 YEAR STANDARD, A ROADWAY STANDARD OR AN AIRPORT, A ROADWAY STANDARD JUST TO MAINTAIN THE LONGEVITY. BUT IT'S NOT GETTING THE TRAFFIC LOAD, SO IT MIGHT BE MORE LIKE 7 OR 10. BUT MAYBE IT'S HEY? AT THE 20 YEAR, MARK YOU'RE GONNA SLURRY SEAL. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS ALL THOSE REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THE UPFRONT LUMP SUM PAYMENT THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO RECEIVE BECAUSE SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO. IT'S GONNA HAVE TO CASH FLOW FOR SOMEBODY. LOGITECH: BUT THOSE ARE NO, I DIDN'T PUT NEW ROOF, ALTHOUGH IT'S 47 YEARS OLD. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE ORIGINAL ROOF PROBABLY IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THE CURRENT LOGITECH: MANAGER I TALKED TO, AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO FOR MONTHS, BUT HE SUGGESTED A COMPANY, I THINK, OUT OF THE BAY AREA, MAYBE DANVILLE OR SAN PLEASANTON THAT THAT DID A PROPOSAL FOR HIM, OR THEY DID AN APPRAISAL FOR ANOTHER HANGING PROJECT, AND HE SUGGESTED, HEY? BEFORE YOU DO AN RFP. YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A PROFESSIONAL APPRAISAL DONE, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S NOT CHEAP. YOU KNOW THE THE DRAFT PROPOSAL OR THE DRAFT. LOGITECH: I'M SORRY. THE APPRAISAL EXAMPLE THAT I RECEIVED WAS VERY DETAILED. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO PURSUE. OR WE WOULD JUST WANT TO PACKAGE SOMETHING UP SIMILAR TO THIS AND CAST THE NET AND SEE WHAT WE GET. BUT THIS IS A DRAFT. IT'S SOMETHING FOR DISCUSSION. OBVIOUSLY I WOULD REFORMAT IT INTO OUR STANDARD FORMAT IF WE WERE TO ADVERTISE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT THIS IS MORE FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES LOGITECH: ON THE REQUIREMENTS WHERE FOR SCOPE OF SERVICES. IT HAS MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS. BUT, LIKE YOU SAID, ADDING, SOME TIME FRAMES, CAN YOU, WHERE IT SAYS, REPAIR ANY LEAK ROOFS LOGITECH: LIKE? I WOULD FIRM UP THE LANGUAGE TO SAY AND MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW. LOGITECH: YEAH, JUST SO THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A 1 TIME ENGAGEMENT. YEAH. LOGITECH: ONE THING THAT I DID NOT ADD. LOGITECH: BUT I THOUGHT I HAD. IT WAS. LOGITECH: AND I HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE HANGERS. BUT WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THE PAVEMENT LOGITECH: WITHIN SIDE OF THE BUILDING ISN'T DOESN'T HAVE NECESSARY POSITIVE DRAINAGE. I I BELIEVE THERE'S LIKE BIRD BATHS IN THERE LIKE POOLING. SO IF WE WERE TO REGRADE THOSE AREAS THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT LOGITECH: PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA, CONSIDERING WE'RE ENTERING ANOTHER 30 YEAR LEASE. LOGITECH: SO IT JUST DEPENDS HOW MUCH LOGITECH: INVESTMENT WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE. FUTURE HANGAR OWNER MANAGER. LOGITECH: YEAH, IT'S IT'S A. IT'S A BUMMER. THOSE THINGS AREN'T ON CONCRETE. YEAH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A LOGITECH: IT'S ALMOST LIKE A PORTA HANGER. BUT IT'S NOT YEAH. LOGITECH: AND SO IT'S VERY STRANGE IN THOSE THINGS. LOGITECH: AND AND MAYBE I'LL OPEN IT UP TO JUST AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THAT, AND THAT. LOGITECH: YOU KNOW, PROPOSERS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FIX THE DRAINAGE ISSUES WOULD LOGITECH: GET SOME KIND OF FAVORABLE LIKE POINTS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE THE RATING CRITERIA, MAYBE WE GET EXTRA POINTS ON THEIR PROPOSAL THAT LOGITECH: THEY FIX THE DRAINAGE, OR WE JUST REQUIRE IT. LOGITECH: YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE THAT MIGHT GET. THEY'RE REPAVING LOGITECH: THEN HOW HOW HARD SET IS THE AUGUST FIRST.ST LOGITECH: WELL, WHEN I RAN OUT THE TIMELINE LOGITECH: YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA HAVE A NEW OWNER WELL, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. RIGHT? WE WE HURRY UP AND GET THIS DONE. SO WE HAVE SOMEONE IN PLACE DECEMBER FIRST, ST WHICH IS, GONNA BE A PUSH. LOGITECH: OR WE JUST ACCEPT THAT. WE TAKE OWNERSHIP DECEMBER FIRST, ST AND WE MANAGE UNTIL WE GET SOMEONE IN PLACE, OR WE NEGOTIATE AN EXTENSION WHICH I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, AND KEEP COLLECTING THE MONEY, AND WE COULD NEGOTIATE AN EXTENSION WITH THE CURRENT HANGAR OWNER, MANAGER, AND PLASTER HANGER COMPANY. LOGITECH: WE COULD DO A 3 MONTH EXTENSION AND BUY TIME. LOGITECH: WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE TO ACCEPTING LOGITECH: RESPONSIBILITY ON DECEMBER FIRST? ST IF THERE, IF THERE'S ANY LIKE NEAR TERM MAINTENANCE EXPENSES, OR, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL LIABILITIES WITH LIKE. LOGITECH: I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE GETS SHOCKED FROM AN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM THAT'S NOT UP TO CODE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POTENTIAL THAT NEED TO BE MADE, WHETHER THEY'RE SMALL OR LARGE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT RENTABLE. THOSE ALL BECOME OURS. LOGITECH: THERE'S A MASSIVE EXPLOSION, AND EVERYBODY A LOT COULD HAPPEN. CAN WE EXTEND THE 3 MONTH LEASE WITH MORE TEETH IN IT? LOGITECH: I'M SURE WE COULD. LOGITECH: IT DEPENDS. YES, SO YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING IT. WE'D BASICALLY BE AMENDING THE LEASE FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. AND YES, THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO RENEGOTIATE THE TERMS. BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND A NEGOTIATION IS A GIVEN GIVE AND TAKE RIGHT. WHAT IS THEIR INCENTIVE? TO ACCEPT A WHOLE BUNCH OF ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR 3 MONTHS FOR 3 MONTHS. LOGITECH: SO YEAH, IT'S POSSIBLE. BUT ONE OF IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF THE LOGITECH: EASIER OF OPTIONS IS JUST EXTENDED FOR ONE OR 2 MONTHS EXACTLY AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, WHILE WE GET OUR ACT TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT 30 TO 50 YEARS. SO MY PHONE IS RATHER RUSH TO JUDGMENT ON THIS IS STILL A NUMBER OF OPEN AREAS. I WOULD THINK WE JUST LOGITECH: EXTENDED FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. WE WORK WITH THE PROCESS. MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE BEST RFP. POSSIBLE, AND THEN AND THEN PUSH IT OUT. LOGITECH: I THINK I GOT THE FRAMEWORK HERE WITHOUT A DOUBT. WE'RE REALLY RUSHING AND NOT NECESSARY TO DO THAT. OKAY, SO BRING IT BACK NEXT MONTH WITH THE REFINEMENTS AND THE TIME CONSTRAINTS AND THE MORE DETAILED MAINTENANCE SCHEDULES CAN WE GET ESTIMATES ON APPRAISERS? LOGITECH: IS THERE? IS THAT A THING LOGITECH: FROM AN APPRAISER? HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST APPRAISAL FOR UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, FROM AN APPRAISER'S PERSPECTIVE. WHAT ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU DO NEED TO BE? OH, THAT'S SO. THAT'S NOT AN ESTIMATE. THAT'S A SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST LIKE AN INSPECTION OF THE BUILDING RIGHT? THE VALUE. SO WE KNOW LOGITECH: OR DOES THE VALUE, NOT MATTER, BECAUSE IT'S A GROUND LEASE AT THE GROUND LEASE RATE, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. NO, I THINK IT MATTERS A LOT. THAT'S 1 OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN WRONG. OVER TIME HERE IS THAT I WISH I HAD THIS HERE BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT UP TO ME. BUT IS WE UNDER? I UNDERVALUED THE VALUE OF THAT LOGITECH: GROUND LEASE BECAUSE I JUST THOUGHT LIKE IT'S JUST DIRT, RIGHT LIKE THE THING ABOVE THERE THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT. BUT I REALIZE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE WRONG WAY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE PRIVATE TRANSACTIONS FOR HANGERS THAT ALL THEY HAVE IS A GROUND LEASE. YOU'RE TALKING IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, RECENT PURCHASES. LOGITECH: AND SO LOGITECH: THE MONITOR, IF WE END UP, YOU KNOW, SELLING THIS TO SOMEBODY ELSE. I THINK IT'S WORTH A LOT MORE THAN WE THINK. IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE, REGARDLESS OF THE THE CONDITION WHERE IT IS. YEAH, IT'S JUST NOT NOT MAKING ADDITIONAL AIRPORT LOGITECH: PERSON HELP. LOGITECH: I'M SORRY. LOGITECH: WELL, I'M JUST CURIOUS. HAS THERE BEEN A FORMAL INSPECTION BY THE CITY OF EACH OF THESE HANGARS LOGITECH: BECAUSE THEY'RE PRIVATELY OWNED. LOGITECH: AND SO WE DON'T GO IN. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM BEFORE. I MEAN, WE HAVE RIGHT. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS. LOGITECH: I'VE HEARD REALLY TERRIBLE THINGS ABOUT SOME OF THOSE HANGERS, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS. LOGITECH: IS IT? WE'RE REALLY KNOWING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW IF 4 OF THE HANGERS HAVE DOORS AND DON'T WORK, AND 5 OF THE HANGERS HAVE TERRIBLE LOGITECH: POOLING WATER, POOLING DURING RAINSTORMS. I'M JUST CURIOUS. WELL, I'M THINKING YOU WANT TO START WITH LOGITECH: SOME BASIC INFORMATION BEFORE YOU GO TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD. LOGITECH: DOES THE CITY BUILDING INSPECTOR. LOGITECH: WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. YEAH. LOGITECH: WOULD IT BE KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DID ON THE CITY OWNED ONES A WHILE BACK WHERE YOU JUST WENT THROUGH. AND YOU KIND OF HAD LITTLE MATRIX IS THAT THEY'RE SO OLD THAT THERE'S NO BUILDING CODES THAT LOGITECH: REALLY APPLY. SO IT WOULD BE JUST LARGELY HEALTH AND SAFETY AND ANYTHING THAT WASN'T A DANGER TO HEALTH AND SAFETY. LOGITECH: I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT DRAINAGE IS GONNA BE A BEAR TO FIX, BECAUSE LOGITECH: IT'S FLAT, IT'S FLAT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PAD. SO THERE WAS NO SLOPE BUILT IN. IT WAS NEVER BUILT TO DRAIN, EVEN LIKE THE THE PORTABLE HANGERS OUT THERE. THEY HAVE THE SAME ISSUE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ON CONCRETE PADS. LOGITECH: IT'S ALL ASPHALT, AND IT'S LUMPY. IT'S JUST I MEAN. IF ANYBODY EXPECTS TO FIX THE DRAINAGE ON THOSE THINGS, THEY'RE DELUSIONAL. IT'S JUST YOU'D HAVE TO DEMO THE WHOLE THING, JACK IT ALL UP AND THEN RELAY IT AND PUT IT BACK. YEAH, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HORRENDOUS EXPENSE. LOGITECH: YEAH. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE AGREEMENT THAT WE WANT TO PUSH IT. WE WANT A WHOLE PAUSE ON THIS AT THIS POINT. YEAH, CAN WE ALSO HAVE BUILDING OUR BUILDING INSPECTION WITH WILL GO AND JUST TAKE AN EYEBALL ON IT JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU USED WILL LAST TIME I'LL DO IT. OKAY. LOGITECH: THAT'LL JUST GIVE US SOME MORE INFORMATION. A COUPLE OF MORE DETAILS. CAN YOU TAKE PHOTOS, SURELY. LOGITECH: AND THEN WE HAVE TO GIVE THE LAND PLASTER HOLDINGS OR HANGERS? NOTICE. DO WE NEED THEIR PERMISSION TO GO IN, WE WE WOULD REACH OUT TO THEM. YES. LOGITECH: STANDARD LANDLORD, TENANT, 72 H. NOTICE LOGITECH: WHAT'S ON THAT? IS THAT A REASONABLE APPROACH GOING FORWARD, MOTION FOR EXTENDING THE LEASE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. LOGITECH: WE CAN GET DIRECTION TO EXPLORE AND INITIATE DISCUSSIONS WITH PLASTER PLASTER HANGERS. SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? LOGITECH: YEAH, YEAH, MAKE A MOTION TO LOGITECH: TO REACH OUT TO HIM AND EXPLORE THE OPTION OF LOGITECH: EXTENDING THE LEASE. SO WE HAVE MORE TIME TO WORK WITH THIS. DO WE NEED THAT AS A MOTION, THOUGH, CHRISTIAN? NO, IF YOU GUYS JUST GET DIRECTION, WE DON'T. LOGITECH: WE'LL GIVE DIRECTION. LET'S GO. THERE'S A DIRECTION WE'LL GIVE DIRECTION. LOGITECH: EVERYONE GOOD, PERFECT! LOGITECH: GOOD. LOGITECH: HOLD DOWN, MASTER FEE. SCHEDULES. LOGITECH: ARE WE SKIPPING OVER THE HANGER WAITING SO? YES. LOGITECH: WOULD YOU LIKE TO WALK US THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION? I THINK JESSE WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP ON THE SCREEN IF SHE CAN. SO I JUST I JUST WENT OUT AND SEARCHED THROUGH A HANDFUL OF LOGITECH: AREAS OF CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE SIMILAR LOGITECH: THE DESIRABILITY TO US, AND CAME UP WITH A LIST. LOGITECH: NOW, I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE WOULD ARGUE THAT LINCOLN IS EQUAL TO NAPA VALLEY, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS. I CHOSE LINCOLN OVER AT SAINT HELENA AT 1 POINT. SO THERE YOU GO. BUT I I ALSO LOVE TO SEE LOGITECH: WHO HAD, WHO HAD LISTS AND WHAT THOSE LISTS WERE LIKE, AND CAME UP WITH THIS KIND OF COMPARISON. SO LOGITECH: YEAH, NO PROBLEM. LOGITECH: SO RUNAWAY LENGTH AND AND LOGITECH: GENERAL, YOU KNOW, DISTANCE FROM HERE, AND THEN THE HANGAR DEMAND, ACCORDING TO INTERNET SEARCHES. GREAT. I THINK THIS IS JUST KIND OF WHY I CHOSE THESE. YOU GO TO THE NEXT. LOGITECH: OKAY? AND THEN THIS WAS THE WAIT LIST FEES FOR THOSE AIRPORTS. SO ALL OF THEM HAD A WAIT LIST. THE FEES VARIED GREATLY. SO LOGITECH: SAN LUIS OBISPO THEY WANTED, THEY DO A FULL DEPOSIT LOGITECH: OF A MONTH'S RENT IN ONE OF THEIR HANGERS IN ORDER TO BE ON THE LIST. AND WHEN YOU GET YOUR HANGER, THAT DEPOSIT ROLLS OVER INTO YOUR 1ST MONTH'S RENT. LOGITECH: SO IT'S A VALUE. IT'S IT'S BASICALLY VALUE TO YOU. IF YOU WITHDRAW YOURSELF FROM THE LIST, YOU GET A PORTION OF YOUR DEPOSIT BACK. LOGITECH: MOST OF THE REST OF THESE SMALLER ONES ARE EITHER NOT. THEY'RE NON REFUNDABLE, OR A PORTION OF THEM IS NON REFUNDABLE, AND MODESTO IS THE ONLY ONE THAT GAVE A SMALL DEPOSIT, AND YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK. LOGITECH: I THINK. IS THERE ONE MORE PAGE? LOGITECH: YEP. LOGITECH: OH, THIS WAS JUST I. I PULLED THE EXACT PROCESS FROM A COUPLE OF THEM JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT HAPPENS. SO THERE'S AN ONLINE. SOME OF THEM ARE VERY EASY. YOU GO ONTO THEIR WEBSITE AND IT'S JUST LAID OUT FOR YOU OTHERS. YOU HAVE TO CALL A NUMBER IF YOU HAD TO CALL A NUMBER. I DID NOT CALL THAT NUMBER. SO I PULLED THE STUFF FROM WHAT I COULD SEE ONLINE. SO YOU GO ONTO THEIR WEBSITE AND FILL OUT YOUR INFORMATION. LOGITECH: YOU CONTINUE TO PAY ANNUALLY FOR NAFTA LOGITECH: AND THEN I THINK I GAVE A FEW MORE EXAMPLES HERE. LOGITECH: SO HAD THIS WENT OUT. THIS IS HERE FOR EVERYONE TO LOOK AT. RIGHT? YEAH, WHAT? LOGITECH: YOU CAN KEEP GOING SAME THINGS. LOGITECH: WHAT I DIDN'T DO IS I DIDN'T GO INQUIRE AS TO WHAT SERVICE THEY WERE USING TO MAINTAIN THAT LIST. LOGITECH: IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S EASILY ADDRESSED WITHOUT CALLING THESE PEOPLE. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO TAKE THAT AS A NEXT STEP, I'M HAPPY TO CALL AND ASK EACH OF THESE AIRPORT MANAGERS WHAT SERVICE THEY'RE USING. OR I WAS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MATT, YOU HAVE A LOGITECH: EMAIL LIST. SERVE THAT YOU CAN TALK TO DIFFERENT, HANG AIRPORT MANAGERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY'RE USING. LOGITECH: AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. LOGITECH: I COULD SPEAK TO THE MARYSVILLE ONE, SINCE I'VE USED IT, PART OF THEIR WEBSITE LOGITECH: AND SO YOU JUST HANDLE IT THERE, AND IT WILL SHOW YOU THE WAITING LIST FOR EACH ONE OF THE HANGAR GROUPS. THE NAME AND THE NAME. YEAH, MANY OF THESE DO THAT. IT'S JUST WHAT SERVICE BACKSIDE OF THAT IS. AND IF THERE'S A COST TO THAT, TO THAT BACKSIDE SERVICE, OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY, TRULY IS WITHIN THE CITY'S CAPABILITY OF MANAGING ON THE BACK END OF THE LOGITECH: AS A WEBSITE. SO THAT PART CAN BE, I DON'T. LOGITECH: I DON'T DO DO? DOES ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM TO HAVE KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S WEBSITE CAPABILITY IS WOULD BE ENGAGED. YEAH. AND SO THAT WHAT WHAT BOB WAS TALKING ABOUT REALLY INTO A FUNCTION OF THE WEBSITE, RIGHT? IF SOME SORT OF LOGITECH: I DON'T KNOW, IT'S LIKE A DATABASE ON THE BACKSIDE THAT THE WEBSITE IS LINKING TO LIKE, TAKE OUR BUSINESS LICENSES, FOR EXAMPLE, IT LOOKS INTEGRATED INTO OUR WEBSITE. BUT THAT IS NOT OUR WEBSITE THAT DIRECTS YOU TO ANOTHER SITE. THAT DOES ANOTHER THING RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. LOGITECH: WE CAN'T TELL FROM GOING TO THESE WEBSITES IF IT TRULY IS THEIR WEBSITE THAT'S DOING THIS, OR IF IT IS AN EXTERNAL SERVICE ON THE BACK END THAT THEIR WEBSITE LINKS TO. SO WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION AND THEN FIGURE OUT IF THAT EXTERNAL SOFTWARE HAS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO FACTOR THAT IN IF OUR IT DEPARTMENT DOES IT, THERE DEFINITELY WILL BE A COST. LOGITECH: THEY CAN LOGITECH: DO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING, BUT IT'S NOT FREE. SO THEY'VE DONE SOME PRETTY AMAZING THINGS FOR OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. BUT WE DEFINITELY PAY FOR IT. SO SAME THING FOR USING LIKE AN EXTERNAL USE, ANY LIKE WE USE HDL FOR OUR BUSINESS LICENSES. AND SO THE FEE THAT YOU, A BUSINESS PAYS FOR ITS LICENSE IS GOING TO THAT ORGANIZATION, WE DON'T REALLY GET ANY DOLLARS FROM IT. SO I THINK THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS WOULD BE TO ASSESS WHAT AN EXTERNAL SOURCE WOULD COST WITH THE CITIES LOGITECH: THESE WOULD BE, AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW WE WOULD HAVE TO PRICE THE LIST IN ORDER TO COVER THE COST OF THAT SERVICE, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY DOING IT OR PURCHASING AN ACCOUNT. SOFTWARE? LOGITECH: YEAH, I I DOUBT WE COULD CHARGE ENOUGH TO COVER THE EXPENSE OF SETUP. I MEAN OVER TIME. YOU PROBABLY GET THERE. BUT YEAH, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT. WHICH, WERE THERE ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR WAIT LIST OPTIONS THAT LOGITECH: OUT WHAT I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL PRETTY SIMILAR. THE BEST LIKE, BOB SAID. THE BEST. LOGITECH: THEY ALL START ON THE WEBSITE, FILL OUT AN ONLINE FORM. LOGITECH: YOU PUT IN YOUR CREDIT CARD AND YOU GET ON A LIST. LOGITECH: CAN WE JUST CALL THE AIRPORT MANAGERS AND SAY, WHAT'S UP? LOGITECH: YEAH. AND THAT, YES, WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH, AS FAR AS WHAT WHAT THEY USE. YEAH, YEAH. LOGITECH: NOBODY CAN REMAKE. THE WHEEL CERTAINLY LOGITECH: MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT WE WOULD GO OFF OF AT LEAST AUBURN, SINCE THAT'S OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, AND I MEAN IT. TO ME IT SEEMS REASONABLE, BUT LIKE THE $50, WE CAN'T SET THE CHARGE UNTIL WE KNOW ALL THE COSTS. SO THE NEXT STEP REALLY IS FINDING OUT. WHAT ARE WE GONNA USE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE WEBSITE? IS IT CITY BILL, OR IS IT A PURCHASE SERVICE IF IT'S A PURCHASE SERVICE, OR IF IT'S CITY BILL, WHAT IS THE COST? LOGITECH: AND THEN WE ALSO TO KIND OF CHECKS AND BALANCE THAT WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE CURRENTLY EXIST ON THE CITIES LIST. LOGITECH: AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE ACTIVELY INTERESTED IN LOGITECH: ACTUALLY TRUE, I MEAN, ARE THEY? HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN ON THERE? AND ARE THEY STILL INTERESTED IN A HANGAR? BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ACTUAL LIST OF 15 PEOPLE. LOGITECH: I THINK IT'S ABOUT 100. YEAH. SO IF WE JUST HAVE THAT CHECK AND BALANCE, I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE NEXT STEP IS, WHAT IS THE COST? LOGITECH: AND WHAT WOULD THE POTENTIAL REVENUE BE FROM ALL PEOPLE ON THE LIST, AND THEN THAT WOULD HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WE WOULD NEED TO CHARGE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHAT ALL OF THESE OTHER AIRPORTS ARE DOING? IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF IS IT A LIST FEE, OR IS IT LIKE YOUR 1ST MONTH'S RENT? LOGITECH: NEED IT. COULD THIS BE PART OF THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE EFFORT? IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE TIMING IS GOING TO LINE UP, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T ADD IT TO THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE AT A POINT IN TIME. WE'LL JUST ONCE WE FLUSH ALL THIS OUT AND MOVE DOWN THE PROCESS. THEN WE CAN AMEND THAT ORDINANCE. IT JUST REQUIRES AN AMENDMENT TO AN ORDINANCE. YEAH, I THINK WE'LL FIND OUT WHO IS SERIOUS AND WHO'S NOT? ONCE WE SET THE RATE. LOGITECH: AND IF THE RATE IS SERIOUS ENOUGH TO GENERATE A YAY OR AN A, WE'LL FIND OUT WHETHER YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE REALLY INTERESTED, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO CHARGE RIGHT? AND SO PEOPLE CAN JUST PUT THEIR NAME ON IT. JUST LEAVE IT ON THERE. WE DON'T KNOW JUST TO SET SOME EXPECTATIONS, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USING AN EXTERNAL SERVICE LOGITECH: OR A HOMEGROWN SOMETHING THAT OUR IT DEPARTMENT DEVELOPS, AND THEN LOGITECH: GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF NOTIFYING EVERYBODY ON THE LIST LOGITECH: UPDATING OUR ORDINANCE. WELL, NO, I'M JUST THINKING TIME WISE THAT YOU'RE LOGITECH: PROBABLY REALISTIC FOR MONTHS. WELL, 6 MONTHS. YEAH. LOGITECH: IT'S GONNA TAKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS JUST TO GET ACCESS INTO ALL OF YOU KNOW WHAT LOGITECH: I MEAN. IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH JUST HAVING RICH SAY TO WHOEVER HE CALLS, HEY? WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU FOR A $10 CHECK TO KEEP YOU ON THE LIST. YES, LET PEOPLE PAY. THEY CAN'T DO IT. YEAH, UNLESS WE PUBLISH IT AS AN APPROVED FEE, AND THEN WE HAVE TO BACK IT UP, AND WE CHARGE YOU FOR WHAT IS THIS GOING TOWARDS? LOGITECH: LET'S JUST GET THE INFORMATION FIRST, ST THEN WE'LL GET. THAT'S THE FEE THAT WE THAT WE'D SET IS IS KEY TO THE WHOLE THING, SO WE CAN GET A MEETING WITH IT AND SHOW THEM WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. LOGITECH: NEXT STEP IS TO REACH OUT TO THOSE AIRPORTS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED TO FIGURE OUT IF IF THEY CAN. IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT THEY CAN TELL US WHAT EXTERNAL SERVICES THEY'RE USING, IF WE CAN GET 2 OR 3 OF THOSE SERVICES THAT THEN WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH WITH IT SCOTT AND MATT TO DEMO THOSE SERVICES ON THE BACK SIDE TO SEE WHAT FUNCTIONALITY EACH ONE HAS, ETCETERA. LOGITECH: AND RICH, CONFIRMED 119 ON OUR LIST. LOGITECH: HE SAYS OF ABOUT THE 25 HE'S TALKED TO RECENTLY. NONE OF THEM WANT TO BUY THE HANGAR. THEY ONLY WANT TO RENT HANGERS. LOGITECH: SHE'S GOT A HOLD OF 25 OUT OF THE 1 19. YEAH. LOGITECH: THEY ALL LET US STAY ON THE WAIT LIST. LOGITECH: WANNA THANK HIM FOR DOING. LOGITECH: YEAH, IT'S REALLY EASY TO SEE EVERYTHING THE WAY THAT YOU LAID IT OUT. LOGITECH: SO JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION. HOW MANY HANGERS WE TALKED ABOUT? THE CITY OWNED HANGARS, THE GREEN ONES, AND THE BOX HANGERS, OR WHAT? HOW MANY HANGERS WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THE OLD PLUS PLUS OURS. LOGITECH: IT'S ALL CITY. OKAY? YEAH. I MEAN, I WOULD THINK A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL DEPOSIT AND A SIMPLE SYSTEM LIKE THEY HAVE IN BERRIESVILLE. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RANK WHAT HANGAR TYPE OF HANGERS ARE AVAILABLE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A LIKE, I DON'T WANT THIS HANGAR, I WANT THIS KIND OF HANGAR LOGITECH: TO BREAK IT OUT. IT WOULD MAKE IT MUCH EASIER IF THIS IS ALL DONE ONLINE, EASILY ACCESSIBLE AND KIND OF AUTOMATED, IT SHOULD MAKE THINGS A LOT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY. THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE AIRPORTS HAVE DONE. YEAH, BASICALLY, SMALL MEDIUM, LARGE HANGARS. AND AND YEAH. LOGITECH: YEAH, WE DID PROVIDE THAT AT A PAST MEETING. I THINK IT'S A FEW MONTHS AGO. I'M ACTUALLY I HAVE THE SPREADSHEET PULLED UP RIGHT NOW, JUST TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. LOGITECH: YEAH, I CAN SHOOT. IT JUST DISAPPEARED. I THINK IT WAS. LOGITECH: LOOKS LIKE 60. LOGITECH: SEE? 64, 63. LOOKS LIKE CITY OWNED HANGAR. LOGITECH: THINK THERE'S MORE IN THE BOTTOM. NO, I THINK THAT'S IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 63. LOGITECH: OH, ARE THOSE OURS? NOW, THESE NUNOS? OKAY, YEAH. SO I HAVE 63 TOTAL. LOGITECH: AND THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT FROM BOXES TO SMALLTIES. LOGITECH: OH, YEAH, LIKE THAT 1ST ROW. LOGITECH: CAN THERE CAN THERE BE AN OPTION FOR THE PRIVATELY OWNED ONES TO OPT INTO USING THIS WAITING LIST AS A MEANS OF THEIR THEIR OWN. LOGITECH: WE CAN ASK THE AIRPORT MANAGERS IF THEY DO THAT TODAY. LOGITECH: YEAH, I THINK THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE LOGITECH: IF THEY WANTED TO SUBSCRIBE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT LOGITECH: WHERE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE LIST. LOGITECH: BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, IT REALLY WOULD BE BEST IF MOST OF THE HANGERS WERE MANAGED BY A SINGLE LOGITECH: