Folsom City Council Regular Meeting

tuesday, NOVEMBER 8th anything to report out had? >> we'll adjourn special meeting and convene regular meeting of the folsom city council. Clerk please call roll. >> council members rodriguez? >> here. >> aquino? >> here. >> chalamcherla? >> here. >> kozlowski? >> here. >> howell? >> here. >> if the grand marshal of the veteran's day parade would lead us in the pledge of allegiance that would be awesome. >> thank you, miles. Do we have ajenned yaup date? >> good evening, he revise # on item six and they're available on the table had the back. >> do we have anyone that would like there are cards on the back table. And not seeing anyone raising to table or up front we'll move on to scheduled presentations. >> first scheduled presentation is a resolution of commendation honoring veterans and veteran organizations. >> good evening, MADAM Mayor, members of city council, parks and rec director tonight we're pleased to be part of ary heart warming and well deserved honoring of the veterans and organizations this our community. I'd like to thank the members that came together to fund this year's parade you'll hear more about and to thank the commander from vfw post and ted o.Campo here tonight as well and thanks our parks and recs social media team. You'll see a few videos tonight and does a great justice to grabbed grand marshal and meet perspective on our vets both veterans and also, our enlisted personnel who were part of the video. So with that I'd like to turn it over to ted ocampo. >> good evening, this friday is friday is veteran's day an our annual folsom veteran's day parade will occur, we'd look to honor our veterans with two videos and a proclamation. Our first video highlights our. >> ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to present this year's grand marshal. And we're going to play a video. >> autographs later. >> miles james, colonel united states air force, retired. I was in officer training school in 1969. The rest history. I went this. They told me I had to be a pilot or navigator. My eyes were not that good. So, I had to be a navigator. I do have one hell of a war story in that. In and that is my distinct gs I was the last person to be alive in the vietnam conflict. Bail out. Yes. My ejection heat didn't work. And in the water, through luck, through no help of my own, I made it back here. and I didn't get over until 72, 74 and 74. I had 120 missions and it was pretty hairy during easter of 72. We went to the 11 day war, a two week war at the be end of DECEMBER, 1972 and we flew into hanoi on day nine of the 11 day war I was down stairs and I had in windows. Nothing but a five inch scope. I can see electronic signals coming in. I couldn't see anything else. So I counted missiles and two mission s later after the war was over after they'd not gone to stable we went up for a show of force and on that mission we're dropping the bombs and pilot put on the red light said bail out. Trying to do what I could. I did. My seat decided not to eject. So. Everybody left the aircraft. I was there by my elf. So was hell of a day and I'm lucky to be here and lucky the and I got picked up by a marine helicopter. They took me in. Ietd like to use it as jumping off to let all of the veterans know pass a must act, called pack act. An opportunity to put people that didn't get the opportunity on things like toxics and this kind of stuff. It's an open year of refiling to get in my wounds are invisible but already days I have bad days and to days like today, it's something have you to look at and take advantage of your folks and very a website. And I built a website on together we serve. That is a interesting site. You can put a bio of your personal history. Very my airplanes and things owe is a good legacy for kids, and grandkids, and things of that nature. >> are there you go. >> okay. Okay. >> we'd like to ask our mayor to present proclamation to our veterans. >> okay. Accepting on behalf of the veterans is tiff levinson. >> this is a resolution of commend rags on veterans and veteran organizations. America's military personnel are a responsibility to protect and serve those and our military have answered the call of duty risking life and limb for to fellow americans and those serve our country. And there is an obligation and military personnel veteran policy start blue star mom, marine corps lead, military order devil dogs 71 and submarine veterans, veterans of foreign wars and vfw auxiliary post. Each warrior earned our gratitude we ask all americans thank and support hem. Now, therefore, I, mayor of city of folsom on behalf of the folsom city council and community do thank and support veterans for contributions the nation and thank and support organizations for their dedication for supporting our military personnel declared this 8th day of NOVEMBER, 2022 thank you. >> that would be great. They can see he over top, too >>? >> all right. Well, we'd like to conclude with a second video. Entitled meet the vets so I'll play that real quick. >> my name curtis caller I've been in the army 29 years. Very 20 years of active federal service and nine years of part time national baurd time. I'm a retired throughout manhattan colonel U.S. Army and I served on active duty back in the early seven #s. Vietnam was winding down and I to the out of the mill area in 1971 an join reserves. One thing I a lotsed different between my time during vem war and later conflicts as the country countries engaged in is the support of the populist. At the airport escorting the body of a fallen trooper, people would walk around you. You're in uniform and they'd just part. >> the citizens all realized how, you know wrong that was and we're kind of the in some ways the beneficiaries when getting back from desert storm. We got off the bus and off the plane streets were lined with people with flags and it was amazing. >> that kwen, beauty of our parade here in folsom. Which will be hell this year, month of 11th as usual and you can get to see a lot of the citizenry out. The streets are, you know crowded with people. And that not done everywhere. This is one of the big wrest parades in the region here. >> my wife and I went last year to the parade and it was awesome and you he community support and you see just how deep the military service runs. >> yeah wiley. Marine corps, nine years served in korea with first brigade. >> I'm nick la sera. Active duty in united states navy. Been active duty ten years now. And I'm a hospital corpsman. So we get a lot of play time with marines. And I personally have two, or lee corpsmen. And they're doctors. >> we have a parallel my service pales but location wise, then, from there, I went to okimowa. >> so that an interesting lace. How is the feed back from locals there? With marines? >> I went they're till under occupation. So we have had a lot of places and that helped build japan back because they started in the pacific an brought tanks and stuff and they stripped them down and rebuilt them. . >> yes. I spent time out in iwacuni supportive, wonderful people wanted you to be there and there is a sense of prayed for their country and a welcoming and warm peeling are the japanese people. >> makes me peel proud people he show up at this parade like the way they do. >> it's for me it's a pause. It's a much-needed pause to stop and recognize those who have served and those veterans to the united states, military service and appreciate rbt gss to the country and within micro sense a recognition for brothers and sisters this arms. It does mean a lot. >> I look forward to it, every year. >> where are you from? >> sacramento. I'm stationed at travis now. When I joined military I just wanted to get a job. I wasn't trying to travel a lot. So I've only been at ravis. >> so we are to fore it at a time so I joined air force roty air force different because you're training it's not all mill area oriented. >> owe owe that is like pl till fitness. We had the 5bx like a canadian pl fitness test. You had to run a mile and a half and have 32 push ups and sit ups. >> within ten minutes? So I to running last and what worked out better. We do push ups, sit ups first and the run if there is a beep, have you to deep. I haven't try that had one yet. I stick to mile and a half run. >> there is a time limit. If you didn't make it there is a restriction so haven't seen it in a year or two. >> retention rate and sign up. You know? People want to join. >> I remember like you have to have height and weight. >> you have higher standards and in better shape. >> that is what we're talk here, today, veterans. With what are we? What to we do? >> people might step back like oh, man. Realize what you're doing and what you're part of. >> for sure. Patriotic theme in america has gone away more than it should have. >> definitely. >> I don't know the reasoning p I think patriotism is important if you're in the military that is the rain reason we're here. A lot of people fought an died for their country. >> it isgpeople realize there are people that appreciate what we do and they're thankful for what we do recognize some sacrifices that veterans make. >> sure. >> thank you forgiving us your time and don't forget about the parade. 9:00 friday. We'll see you at the parade. >> thank you. >> that moves us on to scheduled presentation number two. >> second presentation presentation of folsom tourism business improvement district by the folsom annual tourism bureau. >> bye, guyses. Thank you. See you friday. >> good evening, joe galliardi, PRESIDENT And ceo of choose folsom now. Visit, connect and prosper. First of all I want to thank those that served tonight that served this great country we're blessed and fortunate to have a great veteran's parade and so we're the largest in the region. It's a wonderful opportunity to thank them. Tonight here to talk about what is going on in tourism in folsom. I'm pleased to introduce sally buchanan. Many of you know from having served on commissions and worked at the college and so we're blessed so far sally join us. And I'm pleased to say all projections for the year if all goes as planned looks like we might be back up to prepandemic levels. So I'd like to introduce sally buchanan, to present our overview, thanks. >> and good evening. Mayor howell and council members, staff an guest tonight and I'm humbled to go after that lovely presentation an looking forward to the parade on friday. And joe said new brand, visit, connect and prosper and all under one brand and appreciate off the press our new visit folsom logo. It is a cousin to choose folsom, same fonts hand in the same family, how far, a more tourism centric feel to it. You'll be seeing that on visit folsom website and our clat tral. Very excited about that new logo. I think I know most of you up on the dais. I again, I served for him back in 2008. Marianne left at the enof the year and I was lucky enough to be offered the position an can say that if I had been offered something similar back then I would have said, heck, yes. Because I love folsom. And I think this is one of the most amazing places on earth I'm happy to be here I started in MARCH soy wasn't present for the year but I followed what the great things that have been happening in folsom. Our arts and culture commission and worked at the college many years. >> it was hard to tell where you are because you're at everything and have been, all along. >> thank you. I appreciate that. If we remember we're able, they're able to get that back up and growing. We had to figure out what the new normal was. The year prior to that and how do we support events in the ways we're supposed to be doing things with just continues to support our travellers, special events and meetings I think one of the things that marianne, anyone travelling to folsom with concierge service be it leisure travel for one of the events or small group or meeting we read them and we support a lot of groups and events I was able to greet runners at 5:00 in the morning saturday with council member kozlowski for the 100 mile endurance run. >> thank you, mike for doing that. Ways going on sunday. >> yes. >> 440 runners came from all over the united states and I got them a chance to snap a picture of a father and they were probably five an he was a folsom father and it was just the cutest thing and mayor howell joined us and that race last 30 hours and so there are people staying. What a huge economic impact. And for those groups we connect to services and deliver welcome packets just helping them navigate and get what they need to be successful and when someone has been here they want to come back. They see great things beer doing. Last year during pandemic they worked on a patio dining list. Everybody and wildfire support and two major ones for last two years and choose folsom and visit folsom and had pizza parties and gave gift cards and. >> firefighters are still at hotels so we always provide that style. Choose folsom signature events. This was amazing. It was just set to be a fabulous event we support folsom put your money where your heart is several of you able to attend our focus groups and there is a new normal in tourism. Corporate travel is down an different. It's coming back but I don't think it will be the ways. It's flipped and now, weekends are more full and there is more availability touring the week so we took time to step pack an that report should be done DECEMBER 14th and presented to our board and we can share it with those who would like to see it. Next week we're going to put a new online booking engine on a website. Anyone can write their rates realtime we'll be able to package in added amenities. So different things to activate our website. We're getting ready to contract with service that many of our partners an my partner in el dorado county and tourism use and it can tell you how people are going an how much they're spending and you can look if there is patterns and you can see patterns like that and figure out how to mitigate those issues you'd rather not happen. And have partner for wine competition an right now, 37 of them on our wine pass and you can purchase a pass online and choose a 1, 3, 90 day or year long pass. It's simple use and we're getting ready to start a campaign on that. It helps our wine partners who many of them are struggling, too, after the pandemic and rather related issues and there are all sorts of pun things. We're part of the 50 economic alliance which is a group featuring rancho friends to the west ranch yes cordova. And placerville and we're all working together and have I a new website and it's all about telling people depending on the people could be tourism efforts or economic development issues why it is such a great place to come, stay, land your business and we've got a lot of momentum going. And moves what rancho cordova. Does it matter where they land they're going to spend time and money and we appreciate that effort. >> it's important just to highlight that. That doesn't happen everywhere. You to not mention the city of sacramento, necessarily. But rancho and folsom have always because personnel that worked for those agencies, many have worked for one of the other agencies and they're all personal friends. That competition doesn't exist. We realize a rising tide raises all of the boats. >> absolutely. >> they do work together. >> absolutely. >> joe says business has no boundaries and it doesn't. Neither does tourism. And I'm sure of many of you met laura fickle. She's great to be on the team and she's to the a economic back ground and it's great to have her on board and we're now in the middle of updating visitor center and should be debuting one portion and focusing on local makers and kicking it open a notch with experiential aspect of turning it into a general store. We're working closely with the city and historic district and we've been working on and will still continue to acquire new digital assets. We have a ton of new video from over the years and it can find what you need so it's easier to put together a video. Continuing to focus on events that will bring new business to the area and put heads in beds to say last memorial day, we have had the california community college baseball championships nearly 500 rooms over memorial day weekend it was super fun to watch. And we're hoping to hear if we get a spartan race. That would be next MARCH. 8500 participants and they come from all over the united states and some, all over the world so that will be exciting. >> what spartan race? >> similar to a tough mudder. running. You don't are you do 20 burpees. Had do it in teams there is a kid's version and that is what I'll be doing and some people do it over the united states and had is part of their fun an he bring their family along an then, so if we could do get spartan they'll bring in tough mudder. So I would not be doing that. >> joe knows this but one of my sisters is kind of crazy and she's done it. It's kathy. >> we'll let her know as soon as we get back. >> start with 32 push ups, 32 sit ups and mile and a half under 12 minutes. >> baseball and race are the brand new additions? >> baseball new addition this year and they're also here an working to see if we can bet one every other year and the race would be new. That use to be held at a ranch purger out in rancho moisture yeta. They've been working with us and excited to come here it's been a process had working with them. Maybe 400 acres of pretty much empty space. So must and improved services I was talking about visitor center and ten value store. We're going to kick up merchandise another notch. We have some johnny cash merchandise from when the trail was launched that will be putting on 'll. We're working with johnny cash museum so we can put it on sale and importantly hoke yeahsing our local and. >> the hill makers where tollsom part of the bold country and we will reach that into the old country and you can be painting and food and it could be, already many types of makers these days and that exciting. Getting a digital information kiosk and grab and go beverage. But super excited at that project and continue to work on social media with facebook and instagram and have beautiful content and you can't beat that. That is what drives people in is what they're seeing. We are a hotel advisory committee and we had a bus tour back and started and ended at the zoo and had lunch at the zoo and had it all to ourselves because it was on wednesday and designed for gm so we talk with different restaurants and with strategic planning we did a targeted survey to people who travel to folsom. And those will be coming out with strategic plan and with what ends my report. About are you questions I'd be happy to answer. >> any questions for sally? >> yes. Owe I just want to make sure very this clear. All of those things your talking about, that funded when someone stays in a hotel in folsom. Had this case the district citywide. It's every hotel. Right? And in addition to that, there is 8% and that funds something different. >> so it lows to city and general fund. The difference is attacks MISS Improvement district could be rescinded by stake holders so if they're not happy they can rescind that. What is drop 218 are you to go to a vote of the people you can define the boundary however you want but it's industry specific. Sutter street has property based district they're beholder to owners of the properties to continue with property based business improvement strict the reason that was done when we did this was folsom motel and mini storage had 18 rooms, owe we wanted to make sure we provided benefit to those that received benefit. >> thank you. >> it's just a statement. This money we're seeing here in 2022 almost 1.25 million so you're accountable for the hotel industry. And you know, how to attract extra dollars owe folsom and hall misses especially. >> thank you. >> I just want to make sure you understand sally is touching on it. We're investing in software an things that will be able to give you better information. >> right. I saw that one. Thank you. >> with that moving to consent calendar. >> I want to pull number 11. >> I'm going to pull eight. >> I'll move 3-10 with exemption of 5 and 8. >> 5, 8, 11. >> second please call roll. >> calling roll. >> so number five, now what is it ten # 42 it was unlear to me whether they're doing new aerial graphy to do water use budget analysis or using existing resources. >> the existing malgry from 2018 provided by the state to all water agencies will be used as part of this initial analysis. There are options at a later date when the state does decide to do another fly over for aerial imagery where if that occurs we'll be able tomorrow port that imagery into the work they do, what they can always do is look at google earth data to determine whenever the ply ply -- fly over date was. >> is this a new path of this the analysis? >> this is the first time. >> my time here I'm in the aware of any landscaping on residential sector we've done. And I believe they might have been focused on parks if I am not mistaken. This is probably 6, 7 years ago. >> is the objective here to catalog what is on each lot or make a totality? What is excluded from the calculation? The house, driveway and streets? Any rocks in the yard? How granular are they intended to get? >> yes. So information will be two fold the state is going to develop a target that is going to say city of folsom you get say, 8,000 acre feet to use and they have three wins and it would account for the lay of the house so you get a certain amount per year for those bins, 0 for the hard shape. It doesn't help fuss we're trying to get certain customers that MAY be over an allotted budget to help identify so this will allow us to identify if we want to run a report and say if you're 10% over for a in or year we can do district outreach and try to identify where that is. Each year, starting in reporting period 2024, we're going to have to aggregate amount of water used indoors and outdoors and through water loss and report that back to the state. And as we know, outdoor water use tends to be the biggest portion used in water agencies or in water districts and so, this will allow us to focus on the portion of the residential sector and be able to identify parcel x. We'll be able to compare actual uses and indoor, outdoor loss and then, monday residential sector. >> wow. Not for nothing but this seems like an opportunity for the state to budgen us for doing the right thing in the past. If you're taking and cataloging if we'd be economical with how we plan escaped our report and budget starts from that point that seems. >> this looks like it to me. >> this feels like an unfunded mandate. This $45,000 a year. We can sen on something else to give the state to hit us over the head. >> I am so fed up with unfend mandates from the state. Ones where they're asking us to. >> this going to be horrible for don smith and his crew. They're going to be code enforcement for water related issues. >> I know we have persistent drought issues in california and need to be sensitive to water conservation. I bet that this feels like it's going to be a snow ball that will be painful to people that live here in folsom. >> there are others that would agree with everything you said. >> what is is the penalty new? What does it cost us? >> we don't do these items listed in reports, you can then be penalized as an agency. I don't know the dollar amount. I can't recall a thousand dollars or 10,000s a day. >> that is penalties for not complying with the state mandated goals. >> correct. The state doesn't dictate we'd have to enter in programming or opportunity. >> what advantage to we gain? >> let's just say in 2028. >> I'm asking you to be selfish for folsom. >> okay. >> so the rang for us is if let's say in 2028 our first reporting year, right? The state identifies you get ten howe achor feet of water for use. We run our numbers and we find that our outdoor water use 11,000 achor feet so we're out of compliance. I don't think we'll receive a vile wrags that says here is ten howe $ fine for 365 days a year they'll start and ask what rams ou off this if we are a 19 howe ingle family PRESIDENT Tenses where will we know start to identify okay. Where is maybe inefficient use of water occurring? To this will help us marrow down where that could be occurring which easing had what the load of ton an his team. Now we're not having to go to 19,000 or 20,000 to discuss this with them and we can focus on those that are 20%. >> chances are that going to be north of the freeway. And my concern okay. Worst case drought continues and they're going to are significant fees and fines for are this. >> yes if we're not. >> owe I suspect this being driven by urban areas they don't use outdoor water. >> this is an yeefr lay set of re-ricks operate are what our water rights are. >> correct. >> okay. So we as a city if we're not collectively exceeding right to water that we have? >> yes. It's up to the act we are require owed conseven 20% of water and couldn't use it here. >> being owe. But giving you a give year head start valuable? >> how that might project forward but two we couldn't come to 028 and hopefully our goal intent to use this so we can slowly start to chip away at the inefficiencies in the system whether it's residential or the other resolution had nonresidential sector. It's not we have to go and find 364 hu homes an we can chip away at that over the years and by the time 2028 hits this might be whatever is needed to get us to where we don't are to worry being out of compliance but not meeting our target. >> okay. This is paid for by enter praise for water? >> yes. >> okay. And contract is lee years? Why treated and released years I guess? >> we should be able to do this within a couple months to get information together because in a company we're working with an each month he we have ability then to update that information and gives us opportunity to reach out to customers that MAY be slowly or quickly getting out of a target identified. >> it would be interesting to have a presentation on where you'll do that on utility commission it will be interesting to see what analysis is. >> motion and second. >> yes. >> please call roll. [Calling roll]. >> thank you. >> and I pulled item eight we talked about this a little bit on friday but I just wanted to remind everyone we're spending arpa money to do a feasibility study for what I personally from my construction back ground expect will be a very expensive crossing of folsom boulevard because we're looking at crossing railroad easement for traffic lanes so it's possible to look into work to look into ways to get grant funding to build it. It's great we've got a couple hundred dollars to do a feasibility study if this turns into a project we're not going to have money for I feel like we've waste that had 200,000s fdz there is a way to look into and this does make us more, put us better form to get grants. So had will be part of the cycle. >> because of the fact we're crossing an going into railroad right of way there is separate pots of money at federal level for rails to trails. So make sure that someone looking at that. You know? There is llt of other money in my opinion way beyond. >> where we we talking about? >> the range is between blue ravine an glenn. So somewhere between rt lot and lower beam. Idea is try to connect over to state tram connection. >> and so those are some long approaches to meet ada requirements. >> so that with I'll move resolution. >> second. >> motion and second. Please call roll. >> council member rodriguez? >> yes. >> aquino? >> yes. >> chalamcherla? >> yes. >> kozlowski? >> yes. >> howell? >> yes. >> I pulled number 11 because very a couple of questions and comments. One of them is on business improvement district in 2003, 2%. 2012, 4%. Is there an industry stan yard today? In 2022 for the bid? I are other questions and comments. >> there not. Varys. >> what is the range? >> some people do it per door like $1 per door some people by percentage. Recently rancho cordova just raised theirs. I know that. So everybody is kind of moving to a percentage. We started with percentage. >> importantly is what is the combined rate? So eight plus 412 so a lot of other communities are a lot higher than the come wined rate of the two bars from a competitive standpoint. >> okay. And other question I had was on the description of activities. How did they link to a lettel stay? Is there a connection there? >> if there is a room block we're aware of it. So if an event comes and they want to block a certain number of rooms we're aware of it and sometimes we we don't know how many people are here for marathon they MAY have booked through a booking engine. If it's true event, we know. >> I just have a comment about events that when I talked to people they really MISS Them and and if it was spread out between paladio and maybe, zoo I was such an event creating fun for kids I'm just that is some of feed back. Other one is I can't remember actual program but they he have had ability to be able to list events happening in st. Louis. And people don't know event was taking place and you get that I didn't know. when looking at tourism and visits and people coming into folsom if there was something it would be beneficial in terms after tracting people to folsom. And then, the other comment I want to make -- . >> sally can probably answer. We do keep a calendar of events she can address more about where that is. >> just something in general it would be just beneficial. At the mission in st. Louis is something a big we can use something. >> member rodriguez, we are actually working on our website and an help us bring in the events to the website because and to enter their own information and bring things in and they say yes, no. And it's easier it will be a more content rich site so we're hoping to have that and that is important and I think and how can we share really important and absolutely. The way of now, not the future. You need to be doing it. >> it would be great. If there is something I can look at that could say it was going on this weekend and I want to go to these events that would be great. I was looking at the document pro vied and planning and joe, I just want to congratulate you and your team for being able to lay down something like this and have it be checked so you have just a plan that putting my business owner hat on. I'm very grateful for something like that coming from choose folsom business. Thank you. >> this is a operate opportunity. >> thank you. >> do we are a second? >> I second. >> please call roll. >> council member rodriguez? >> yes. >> aquino? >> yes. >> chalamcherla? >> yes. >> kozlowski? >> yes. >> how sglel. >> yes. >> now continue joint city council agenda folsom ranch financing authority meeting. Clerk please call roll. >> council member rodriguez? >> here. >> aquino? >> here. >> kaum kaum? >> here. >> kozlowski? >> here. >> howel? >> here. >> item 12. >> public hearing folsom ranch financing authority city of folsom cfd20 russell ranch special tax revenue bond before you tonight have you two resolutions, number 10948 and number # 09 we want to correct that is number 010. >> thank you. Stacy tomahi, cfo. Tonight I'm presenting special revenues bonds, for back ground information council approved cfd20 NOVEMBER 14th, 2017. This provides for construction and acquisition of certain public improvements and these include back bone infrastructure tour, we have them listed on slade and subdivision improvements also listed here. Here we are a happen of the area moan as russell ranch. In the center of the map that is complete. Staff proposing to issue special tax rev hue ponds in amount not to exceed 15 $ million, proceeds used to finance acquisition and construction of certain facilities and fund capitalized interest to SEPTEMBER 1, 2023, an pay costs of issuance. The recently araised value is about 366 million. In compliance with city cfd policy value to lien ratio 8.8 to 1. Our policy at least 3 to 1 and in compliance with city policy is projected tax burden with had bond issue ance is 1.66% for multi family will he density units. By taking these actions tonight you're approving form of the various requirements and authorizing the authority to execute any and take actions to prepare to issue bonds. So with that I do recommend approval of city council resolution. >> any questions? We'll open public hearing did we have anyone that would like to speak on this item? Seeing in one we'll close the public hearing. >> I'll move resolution 10948. >> second. >> motion, second. Please call roll. >> council members rodriguez? >> yes. >> aquino? >> yes. >> chalamcherla? >> yes. >> kozlowski? >> yes. >> howell? >> yes. >> I move resolution number 010? >> yes. >> it's number 009. >> motion, second. >> council member rodriguez? >> yes. >> aquino? >> yes. >> chalamcherla? >> yes. >> kozlowski? >> yes. >> howell? >> yes. >> to adjourn the joint meeting and reconvene regular city council meeting move to old business. Item 13. >> raft tight item is old MISS, this is a report back on under utilizeded and vacant city owned properties and direction to staff. >> good evening, again. Lorraine pajoni. Owe tonight I'm going to give you overview of work staff has been doing. Back ground, city council created an ad hock subcommittee there was other community members select as part of the committee to look the athe under utilized and the city team assembled to look at 13 undeveloped sites a lot city. And these were 13. >> it's that the city council ad hoc committee identified. They had also, ad hock committee of the city council had looked at lee other city-own rent or leased sites. Ad hoc committee had done various site visiting and looked at agreements that MAY are been relevant to sites. Just where were utilized throughout the city here. And AUGUST, city council receive a presentation by city council member aquino and vice mayor rodriguez with general rec lenmen tagss, general investigate and reappoint committee or expand scope as needed. And have several recommendations for 13 vacant sites and rodeo arena to parks and rec commission this aquick overru of the matrix that that committee put together which helpful. And five to ex-lower development opportunity. The city manager put together a team of city staff consisting in the city attorney an directs from public works and sites suggested to be sold this internal committee concurred with three of the four sites that believe they could be old we think there should be a suggestion of two more sites added and we're suggesting that site 12 be removed. It is a site that unrelable after recommended had to lieu pert meant commissions and city council approvals for retention the city team also concurred with all six sites and each are circumstances that he'd to be further evaluated. Some have trees and some are issues and had, land locked. For explore and development sites city team concurred for which should be looked at and one side identified as future high density site. I do have aerials if you immediate a reappreciater in terms of what constraints or where they're at. And in terms of library commission review, on OCTOBER 18th, the commission met and made recommendations for einstein cafe and from order of preference down heir suggestion is to offer a space to friends of the library first. And now, that would be to utilize space for just a meeting pace and are high end vending machines and make it available for patrons of the library and visitors of the library. And secondarily conduct an rp process and see if there my other organizations or businesses MAY want to operate there and lastly make it a rental for community members owe add it to our suite of other facility rentals. Parks and rec solution. >> I'd just like to get colleagues to weigh in. We tried leasing it three times and never worked out. And if there would be a way to do that is a combination of friends have a foot print in there and rest of it available for rent that. Is reasonable. Anyone else. >> agree that. Is one of the things I was reading this it was, it's been rented out so many times. Maybe hours, or something. Just. >> lee strikes and we're out on that one. >> how big is the. >> it? >> 800 kwar feet. >> pretty big. >> sarah? >> well, I'm prepared to accept the recommendation of the library commission. You know? So, friends of folsom library contribute to the library to the extent they can expand hopefully increase contribution to the library and they talked about a high end vending machine. If that is what the library commission thinks best, I'm okay with that. >> would it be to go with recommendation for library commission. >> what are. >> probably store books for the book sale. >> we to respect what commissioners are recommending to us but sometimes we are to see what in a nut shell exactly. 800 square feet pretty big. >> library director here, too. Since he was there at what that commission meeting he might be able to expand on that. The language that they pro rided to tom was this, the commission's vision would be with book ales space would offer eating area equipped with high end rending machines. The city receiving revenue from vending machines. >> vending machines generate good revenue. I mean. >> generate about revenues if you only the vending machines. Ry friends that own rending machine companies it's rostwribl for people that own machines a lot for places where they're sitting. >> I think they envision, thank you, tom for being here. They envisioning proceeds are the vending machines would help feed the folsom library fund, right? >> great. But I don't think that is how vending machines work. And I'm happy to out you had touch with my friend that owns about a thousand of them. . >> sure n the ru of the commission this going to be the best of borj worlds. The city raises revenue from operation of vending machines and help friends who help the city. And we'd immediate to have a discussion is to see to they have capacity to operate that vision. >> again. I am strongly recommending you let me bet you in tuck with my friend back east that does this for a business because I don't think that is how this works. >> appreciated mayor. >> it would be great but f.There are revenue. I don't think there would be. >> we like revenue. >> that is why I was looking at giving them pace to store beings for book sale an making it a reasonable renlt for small gatherings of people. We have a lot of people. There is restaurants that get calls do you have a private room and now only places downing that if you rent the rotary will you be house during the day when someone isn't using it or little, mall meeting room at the community center. There are not a lot of options in town and already groups that would like to get together. Boy scout meeting or whatever. >> are we in agreement we can turn this over to the library director and commission? >> yes a. >> wife me a call tomorrow I'll get you in touch with steven. >> handle it means they're going to be making final decision whether it's going to be the friends of the library or, second one is anyway. So is that director this council authorizing? >> no. I'm suggesting that the library director, because friends of the library think they can bring in high end vending machines and make money. I don't think that is possible. So I'm going to get the information to check into it and go back to friends of the library and say sit is not an option. . >> I don't think friends of the library propose that had idea. I had think library commission proposed that idea are are we, about I MAY paraphrase your question MR. Haum chaum are we giving discretion to the library commission and library director to do what they can to generate revenue and make that space useful or asking them to study and come back to us with a more detailed description of how they're willing to use it I'm willing to give them. >> I think we agree two is off the stable we've been down that road three times and it didn't work. >> I'm with council member kozlowski and saying that the library director and commission handle this. With the understanding our goal is to ac I vat the space and penner yat revenue if possible. >> sounds good. >> anyone in agreement? >> I'm letting them, prefer to just let them do it. >> okay. >> consensus on that. Turn it over to library commission and director. >> good hands. >> activate space. Generate revenue. >> thank you. >> go forth. Prosper. >> prosper. >> so parks and rec commission an ad hoc committee was formed to tackle this issue they met four times with staff and a few times with fhda and parks and rec commission approved recommendation here is detailed out in your staff report and made seven recommendations maintaining fund free and family related events at the zittle amphitheater and other existing events an uses of both sides so rodeo, renaissance fair and other daily or monthly rentals he bet we'd like to see those maintained with emphasis to recover staff costs and damage costs. And he value waiting improvement and and northern sections and seventh section we're recommending site 12 be eliminated other ones have various merits to get a better evaluation to explore and develop. And that recommendation, one. Recommendation, two. Just address with einstein cafe and then this captures top seven recommendations parks and rec commission made and if it pertains from one to another and then, follow up with the for staff reports and various stuff will consideration and discuss increased activation and choose folsom. Review and increase increased activation and ones for zittle and review and discuss and five you opportunities created there consideration should be given to neighborhood impacts and connect with potential promoters to determine factors that make apply indicators desirable. Consider public private partnerships and understanding to drive additional use and programming and hair costs those are additional considerations moving forward. We have two parks and rec commissioners on the original committee assigned to the ad-hoc committee. They are here to make some additional comments. That is the recommendations before you tonight. One and three are the ones we need direction on. >> is there some sort of time scale to the additional investigation that we are talking about for zittel and the dan russell? >> there was not a time scale outlined in the discussions, but it sounded more to keep it pretty current. >> generally speaking, the staff recommendation is fine. I would need more specified about that. We talked about use of rodeo arena. None of these is earth shattering. We talked about them before. The time is now to take action to determine what we are going to implement any of that that we just discussed. otherwise you just made a recommendation for status quo, which was not the objective here. >> the additional considerations are probably where that would move the dial. >> exactly. >> I am looking at when you emphasize public private partnership to bring arena and amphitheater to have a lot of potential. >> thank you. >> MR. Kempton is here. You want to add something? >> thank you. Will kempton, member of parks and recreation commission. I was also the head of the subcommittee which sort of considered this assignment of responsibility from the council to the commission. We brought it back to the commission at the meeting last week. I wanted to make clarification. To your point, council member kozlowski, the way the report is written it implies the recommendations are essentially the status quo items. We did want to clarify those. There are some that are very important in terms of recovering staff costs associated with supporting events and some of the other recommendations that are listed there. In the staff report on page 5 there is a list of the specific additional recommendations. We didn't consider them considerations. We didn't consider them ideas. We considered those as recommendations just as the recommendations that are listed here. we don't have a timeline associated with them. I think it was consensus of the subcommittee and the commission to move forward with the type of analysis we suggested in those additional recommendations so that we can start to look at other options. Public private partnership, ability to what do we need to do to increase market ability of those venues. How can we -- what I am provements need to be made at the amphitheater to make it a usable venue for events you would charge for. Those were recommendations that we made that we think we need to move forward with very quickly, consistent with the recommendations listed on the slide. >> I agree with your recommendations wholeheartedly. I would like to have a sense what you think a practical time period is to start chipping those off the list? >> we didn't specifically discuss that. >> I am asking. >> those issues could be addressed within six month timeframe. >> the other thing to keep in mind there is a little conflict here because we are talking about public private partnerships. This states for individual events. We don't want to bring in somebody to el us what to do -- to tell us what to do with the amphitheater. First bullet item for consideration was maintain brands, focus fun free and family at the amphitheater. You can't have it both ways. >> right now the events that are held there that's a motto that encompasses those activities. It looks like we are trying to say free and no charging. That wasn't the intent. The folsom historic district association has operated the events they put on there essentially focusing on fun, free and family oriented events. >> every now and then there is an event where it was brought in. That is a great thing. For the stuff that is being operated by historic district association or whatever they call themselves now, I think there needs to be cost built into that. Those events that take place on sutter street benefit historic district and not entire city of folsom. Residents of the entire city of folsom are paying for those. >> staff time recovery and damage. My understanding there was damage that has been caused over the last few years by the ice rink. I am not surprised by that. That cost needs to be recovered. That facility is not that old to have had that much damage already to the concrete. >> I just want that clarification. This is the complete set of recommendations. >> I appreciate that. My only thing was let's get to work on finding ways to do those recommendations. >> I don't think you would find any argument. >> is it possible instead of 180 days maybe 90 days? >> well, if you wanted to engage a promoter, as an example, you have to go through a process to get that information. >> you might find that sonny or some of the local folks that do events in folsom might be more than happy to sit down to talk with you with regard to the timeframe it is thanksgiving, christmas, new year's. That is going to make it very difficult to do that in 90 days. >> with respect to your suggestion, MADAM Mayor, on the original committee that council member aquino put together there was a promoter that did provide good information. That could be done without going through a contract process. We want to make sure it got done. >> I would think that the two others I mentioned would be happy to sit down with you for a couple hours. Those are the people, local people most interested in getting the contract to have events. I don't think they would charge to give advice about it. >> I don't think it is stated in the recommendations specifically. We did also see the benefits of continuing collaboration with the folsom historic district association with choose folsom and others that have been involved in programming activities at these venues. >> thank you very much. >> ask there somebody else to speak on that? >> I am good with the way we discussed. >> I have a request to speak from jim snook. >> thank you I am here to represent the historic district. We had discussions when it was created plaza with thought of amphitheater. Thought was having smaller events more often. We try as association to have events that don't impact the peak hours friday or saturday night. We just had festival for halloween that was successful. The district was packed. It brings a lot of tax revenue by the extra business. The concern I would have if we just take a view and say how can we get a promoter to activate as much as possible to make as much money as possible. >> I don't think anybody said that, jim. >> talk about outside promoter. >> just for individual events. >> if there was events like friday, saturday night packing it in to come to the event it could detrimentally affect the businesses and tax revenue they bring. My concern would be that it is intimately involved with this discussion going forward and helping to come up with the plan. I understand there are costs associated with events. We do a lot of free events and fund through sponsorships and things like that. We don't do ticketed events per se. We did for the symphony. That was more sponsorship sponsorshipanticketted. My big concern is the friday and saturday nights if we turn it over. The nights of the promotor would bring in events. It would be very debtty detrimental to the businesses. >> can you imagine the residents at the meeting? >> we would like to be part of this process as an association. That is it. >> I would suggest of the recommendations that were made separate from the bulleted points here, the finding a better balance of managing use of the arena, dan russell arena is a priority of my for years. I would like to see us find a promoter, ways to activate that space. Post haste. That is the priority as far as I am concerned. The zittel am petheatre is very well populatessed by events in the last year or so. Last two years. I think that is largely due to activities that fhda brought forward and others. Collaboration needs to be maintained on programming. I think the cases are slightly different between the two, but either way the using fun, free family makes perfect sense but I never have thought we had to be free 100% exclusively. There can be a mix of events that have some paid seating or other types of ways of generating revenue for the fhda or the city to make those thoughtfully active to promote district without too much tourist attraction to get much better use out of dan russell arena. >> only caution on the readyia arena. We talked about it on friday morning. We have to give of give consideration to sports activities down there. >> we can't use little kids soccer as reason to never use dan russell arena. >> I am not saying that. We have to look to see what games softball games or whatever else they are using that space for. It takes up the parking lot. >> that is a conversation. To me it was the arena could really use some activation, more activities that take place there. I think if there was anyplace to have paid activities the arena is probably one of the best ways. Fhda I would agree that having them part of the conversation to deal with the zittel would be critical. When you look at the impact of businesses and events. I think having them in the middle is really important. >> their participation is crucial. I hear you but we can't be paralyzed. I love soccer. Love it in my heart of hearts. We cannot be paralyzed when we have a huge asset to be used more thought fully. >> also helpful to thoughtfully engage neighbors tucked around the back side of the arena as we move forward as well. >> no question. >> just like number two. Number three is in good hands. MR. Kempton and the parks team are going to come back with proposals. Numbers help us. Amphitheater was full this many times. That is what you are going to take into consideration and explore. I agree. The business group should be part of it as well as choose folsom or visit follow some. Thank you. >> the previous slide recommendation one. I do want to start moving on some of these properties. Pam, this might be a question for you. Property zero is the end of the street. We have to go through surplus act process. I don't see anybody wants to purchase that. No affordable housing developer wants that. Unless you see some reason for folsom to hang on to that we ought to say start the process to sell that. Do you have any reason that we need to keep that? >> no, I just need to remember one property wasn't separate parcel. We just have to go through mapping. We can definitely start that. >> I would propose we but that in motion and get going on that. Again, when we sell these things that is not going to generate a lot of money. The idea is to create real estate fund to be strategic about things. >> one more comment. If the city attorney is in agreement we have to come back with resolution that you would formally direct us to dispose of the property. >> correct me if I'm wrong. To sell any of them if they are city-owned they have to be declared surplus. You are right some of these are too small and use less for affordable housing. They are all subject to it. >> we have to go through the process and come back to you and we will. >> sorry for the extra step of the resolution. >> did we consider the suggestion at one point to do land leases on some of these things? >> to make them available to lease rather than dispose of them? >> yes. We did talk about that. Not for that specific property. That is a remnant. I would say if we could put property zero into motion. Next one that I would like to see activity on was property number three. 906 leads door . The parcel next to ours is privately owned. We talked about initiating conversations with the ad jay sept property owner. Not that we are buying theirs. Do they have a long-term plan? Are they ever going to sell or develop? Do they know or don't know. Maybe if we have staff members and whoever is going to represent the first council district should be part of that. Just start to initiate conversations. >> if there is consensus from the council. >> I will wait for the end maybe. I do have comments on that one before we sell it. I did make this comment last time also on AUGUST 23rd when we were presenting. >> just say what it is? >> I am not saying to sell it yet we don't know. >> I hear you. >> I think we are in agreement those two parcels together should be activated. If at some point they are going to be sold, probably selling ours before the other one is sold would help us with the surplus land. Who wants ours without the other one? Nobody. That could work to our favor. >> staff could engage the property owner to start those conversations. >> I think 11. Park shore drive is adjacent to wapa we talked about. I know will has big plans. Does wapa have any interest in purchasing that, initiating conversations? I know 12 is coming off the list. I think you said there was one other you guys were recommending possibly selling. I don't remember which one that was, do you? Rt is what you were talking about. >> selling behind diamond glenn between the railroad. >> I can't imagine anyone will have an interest to buy those. You can't get to them. behind the gated community. >> there is a strip to glenn to diamond glenn. It it is not decent access by any means. >> no. >> I think the conversation was reach out to diamond glenn and see if they have interest, the two adjacent property owners. >> ready to start moving. No harm in initiating conversations. >> number 11. You are right. Park shore was wapa and 7 and 8 were diamond glenn. >> no problem with moving forward with all of them. We have processes to go through and there is no point in talking to kika min. I would be shocked the diamond glenn had interest in that property. We have steps to get through the surplus land act to make it available to affordable housing builders and have no builders express interest then go to somebody like kick man. >> that is what I see right now. >> number 5. 200 mormon, after rezoning what happens? >> make it part of the park. >> it looks like costa rica, nothing to happen there. Zip line would be fantastic. >> 4 and 5 are behind rodeo park. Mormon is you can access it off mill street. It is completely wooded. Like the council member said. >> it is green then? >> canyon. >> a friend of mine used to live over there. zip lines. >> the potential for activation because it is land locked is hard on number 4. Mormon is the one that has access off mill street. >> I think 4 was the one we were talking about. At some point you could have some kind of bike trail connection to sutter streets. It would have to have a little bridge or something like that. I would say right now the priorities are sell, get going on the process to cell number zero. Initiate conversations about number 3, initiate conversations on 7, 8 and 11 conversations to see if there is a buyer for it. >> consensus on that? >> yes. >> that is very helpful. >> comment to make. In collaboration with the big group. I respect that and thank them. One comment I made last time before we sell it I want to make this point. Last week I was with the walk with the heart. The little dog and walking around. They are trying to raise funds to build tiny homes. Homelessness is not going anywhere in any town. We have got to take a look at it seriously. I don't know the infrastructure or other things whether it is going to be or not. Thinking one more timing. Maybe 10 years from now that little land a group of tiny homes far away from the community. No one wants in their backyard. i want this council and our city administration to look at it seriously. I am looking for long-term. Out of 9,000 homes on that site. The city is growing. We have to keep in mind how do we support besides oak hill church giving land for six tiny homes, how do we extend a helping hand? Governor is thinking about it. Give me a more actionable plan he is asking cities. Think about that before selling it. That is the comment I made last time. >> in general? >> in general. That is my request. Think one more time is the comment. We have to step into that helping site at least on the land. Now the oak hills church is giving them land under the nonprofit organizations. We are collaborating with nonprofits in this town. I made the comment three months ago. Thank you. It is a lot of work. Thank you. >> thank you to city staff and members of our committee here today. I would like to bring back in the future as we had talked about a resolution to reestablish the ad hock committee. You can have one for a year then reestablish and then expanding cope so the committee could start identifying some privately owned parcels in the city that perhaps would be key for development that are under utilized that could possibly if developed could result in property tax revenue for the city. To come back in the near future. >> I will go back to the zittel amphitheater. If I want to represent it I have to go through city of folsom or city of historical district. >> city of folsom. In the event somebody promoted it, it would go through the city of folsom? >> probably different arrangements. If we were to reach out to promoters for single daily events we would be in charge. The entire calendar we know what is going on fmda and we have a sense what is going on there. That would make sense. I didn't hear that it was bring on a promoter and give away the keys. Morsiing if there is some -- more windows of opportunity to have fee-based events come in. >> that was my question. Thank you. >> anything else? >> thank you. We move t