School Board Regular Meeting and Public Hearing

>> We're going to. Call to order this regular school board meeting to plot. Welcome everybody. It's a beautiful day in I do want to before we get going with the agenda. I do want to my condolences and the rest of condolences to a Nashville and the school there that with the tragedy yesterday and you'll see some of our flags are flying half-mast today in honor of that. And I just as we move forward, the school board items and things that work that we have to do. Business wise. You know, I just I urge the community out there, too. Don't be silent when you see something here, something you see something posted. Don't be That that, you know, it's important for the district to know what's going on out there. Facebook post Instagram post chat. But every kid use all that kind of stuff. You see something your kids hear something. You've got to say something and job. Hopefully we can work to end this. These these tragedies. So with that MISTER Tatum. Yeah, it today. Okay. And the invocation. And the indication great. Reading of the district's vision. >> The school district of Manatee County will be an exemplary student focus school system that develops lifelong learners to be globally competitive. And also this morning, we have the pleasure of having Pastor Dante Richardson with us. He's going to do our >> invocation this morning. He is originally from Haiti, a believe. Is that? Is that correct? Sir? It's very learned. Man is very a good man. He speaks a number of different languages to include false so we that's right. Speaks French. He speaks Haitian. He speaks Creole that today he will be doing our invocation for sending was so pass to Dante Richardson. If you please come up and do invocation, we would be most privileged to hear from you. Thank you. Everybody will stand. Thanks. >> Thank you. Reaches that invitation that spring. Lord. In times like Our greatest want. Is one of the man and woman. Man and woman will not be boat all sold. Man and woman were in there in most polls are And on this. Men and women within that sphere to call seen by its right name. Man and woman was conscience is as true to duty as a needle to the home. Men and women will stand to footer. Right, though. The heavens full. A Coast guard. Such Kylie, men and women as we to parse today's agenda. Give us they fear for Dees. The beginning of Give Wisdom, Floyd, he's life to those who have it. All. Help us to love each other deeply because love causes multi to scenes. Got a folk on Fort. Conflict Day people. Conflict, DeLand. Conforti Nashville. Confront us today in dining and really pretty. They even. And join me in the pledge. >> But the of United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under GOD, individual liberty and justice for all. >> I think MISTER Tatum, thank you. Pastor Richardson for the occasion. I'm moving to item number 5 information only that leaves for MARCH and financial statements were on the agenda packet on mine. Number 6, move to approval of the agenda the chairs on good cause to amend the agenda include all items listed under agenda, amendments on the MARCH. 28 2023 agenda updated 3/24/2023 and posted to the district website. 80 schools dot net. A second. With a motion and a >> And If we can and >> vote on our I legislate. >> I mean, it's not a We did Get somebody at the second. Did the Yeah. We've got a second. There you go. Thank you very much. >> Go ahead and put in that vote there. >> And approve agenda passes. And we thank you. Number 7 approval of the Saunders. Recommend the approval of the minutes from the school board workshop. >> Well, FEBRUARY 24th 2023, the school board regular meeting a meeting of the leasing corporation, FEBRUARY 28th 2023, the school Board workshop on MARCH. 3rd, 2023. >> With a motion and a second. And go ahead and >> On the system, if you would cast it and that passes unanimously approve the minutes. Thank you very much. I don't rate recognitions. MISTER Barber, if you want to come on up. The state champ. >> the secret. >> Thank you very MISTER Chair board members and Superintendent Saunders you know, perfection. And in the realm of endeavor extremely difficult in the history of the National Football League. Only one team has ever gone undefeated for an entire season and through the playoffs. And that was the 1972 Miami and offensive went 17. But this young man standing beside me blew that this year and you're going to find out about that. So we have a video we'd like to show you to give background this young man. So if you cause was just loss is a state champion. The senior from Braden River wrapped up an amazing season career recently. >> Wrestler placed 7th state last year. But when an unbelievable 71 in his final season finishing off with the state title. But it wasn't always easy. It started when he was recruited to try the sport by coach Cesar Charbonneau as a freshman. >> He showed potential he had athletic ability. He wasn't sure he like the support of my time with it. You know, try learn as much I could. And I've got my b# # , Kate last month. I think what I learned, Jesse kept grinding after winning jb County title. He set his sights bigger things, but not after some growing pains tells on the new kids. He said his biggest downfall of his biggest regret and wrestling is that he didn't start taking it serious. >> he waited until after his sophomore year where he was first your Martian. >> His junior year he made the state but fell just short of the mat in the finals. Last I had a different mindset. I was like a junior and I was thinking to myself lost whatever happens at one more year. So I content with, you know, you know, just being there and trying to place top floor. And then also I thought because somebody was a Bahrain higher than me or had a better record than me. I thought I would win. >> That turned into a whole new goal for his final high school season. >> I told them before the season started that my goal is going to be if I'm not getting a beat, I'm not getting in competition. And yet everything I threw out and I both about weight classes. He is weighing in at 280 pounds and I'm making Russell 198 against kids 4th in the state last year by 20 pounds. >> Sounds like a pretty great way to fail, if you will, after some nervous moments in the state tournament. Jesse finally got his shot at a doozy in the semi-final. I was down. >> for one at the start of the 3rd quarter. And then I got game to tie and then to the tries to win the first day, I thought I was going to the state finals for sure. >> I was just like nba and the and makes a final. We all good. But when I got there, I was just like, ok, I got got nervous now, you know, now and I, you know, flowing through taking down twice in the 3rd period when and then in the state finals. You now it took a business. >> Now after wrapping up a high school wrestling career as a state champion, Jesse is talking to colleges that one his skills on the mat as he gains a degree looking back at the state championship match. >> It was a moment of bonding for coach and for student athlete. >> It's a great shot of. Grabbing you a >> I didn't tell him not to jump on me. I think in his head he It was jacked up. He just kind of came over, grabbed and squeeze me and picked me up in the air, which is good because if you would have jumped on problem local keep thinking to myself >> It special moment not get to experience like the sport of wrestling on. He's one of mine and he >> So Jesse Call kept us 71 senior season by winning the class. 2 a state championship with a 5, 3, decision over satellite high school's Michael McCarthy on Saturday, 3/4/2023 at the Silver Spurs Arena in Kissimmee and again, this is his Seas are Charbonneau. I also want to let you know that his parents are in the audience. If you can stand up, news. >> One of them out. And Jonas, call us and also hear from Brian River High's principal Karl Ackerman and athletic director Matt Messrs. Just seeing the coach had few words and so. >> Hi, I'm I just want to say thank you for letting me and my coach and my principal Anne, that certainly come and, you know, share this moment now and I want I just want to say was a pretty >> long, season. And, you know, I'm glad I catch off little and you know, so. >> Not a lot to say that. The video that already you can see emotional Weiss where I'm at. That's where wrestling Jesse is my to a greater everyone in Sarasota but he is one of my first to actually take from the freshman year inexperience, never rest his life kid at the time was, you know, 134 pound people. He was a little kid. When when I ended up when he decided after that season after jb year. To not play football anymore, I think football was like okay. He's he's really not made for football anyway. And then the last 2 years after they saw what developed into, they're like, hey, welcome back football. We could use a 6 foot 28090 pounds athlete. But I have he holds a special I tell the kids all the time. It's what you put in is what you get out with wrestling. And he's been that kid. I've got kids that are have been doing it longer. I've got kids that say they want it. But ever since his sophomore summer, his sophomore offseason, he has done every single thing asked of them. And then some he is the most. Can take what he learns. Why is it? Constantly being a student of the game. I got a week. We got a weekend tournaments on the weekend. Have all the kids playing video games. He's watching wrestling videos asking the questions. That's what I told the kids like. That's why he he is who he is. Not just because he's an athlete is because the effort and the work that he's put in. So now the goal is to have him take that to the next level and use it to get his education. But thank you for allowing us to come. I >> they their But I feel that as as a good quote from General Douglas MacArthur about politics and he said that on the fields of friendly strife, this is actually as you walk onto the >> athletic fields at West Point, the quote is. On the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds which on other fields on other days will bear the fruits of victory. And so that you might think that has a military aspect to it does obviously at West Point. But that's the battles of life that we're going to fight. And when I look at the young man like this, out there on the fields of friendly strife, literally in battle with his, you know, fellow human beings. But in a friendly way to competitive way, he certainly prepared his mind and his body for those You know, come to all of us alive. So congratulations again. Only for winning this championship, but also just for doing a great job preparing yourself for the life challenges have ahead. So good luck with that. Thank you. >> Yeah, I feel like you guys. Thank you. Yeah, great story. 71 up. A lot of matches. Brings us to item number 9 public comments. We have public comment signed up for the general public comment that is Alexander Smith. Good morning. >> For the record, my name is Alexander Smith and my son attends. Entry. So after reviewing the library media material, reconsideration, procedure online. I understand that per item 6, if the reconsideration of a book or other media material is not resolved, the school level, the school board review it and determine whether it should remain in the libraries. I would like to share the results of some notable court cases to 8 in your decision-making for time. I won't read the full case titles, but I've highlighted them and their summaries and full for you all and my resource packet that a gauge. The agency Clark earlier. In 1976, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit ruled against an Ohio school board removing library books upholding the students First Amendment right to receive information and librarians right to disseminate it. Quote, the removal of books from school libraries, a serious burden upon the freedom of classroom discussion in 1978, U.S. District court ruled against a Massachusetts school committee for barring the poetry anthology that included a, quote, offensive and damaging poem. The judge ruled student learns that a library is a place to test or expand upon ideas presented to him in or out of the classroom. The most effective antidote to the poison of mindless orthodoxy is ready access to a broad sweep of ideas and philosophies and there is no danger from such exposure. The danger is mind control in 1982. New York School board members sought the removal of 8 books. They describe as anti American anti Christian anti Semitic and just plain filthy. They voted to remove them from the library. Ultimately the U.S. Supreme Court disagreed and held that school boards do not have unrestricted authority, slick library books and that the First Amendment is implicated when books are removed, arbitrarily justice Brennan wrote local school boards MAY not remove books from school library because they dislike the ideas contained in the those books. In 1995, the 5th Circuit Court observed that quote in light of the special role of the school library as a place where students MAY freely and voluntarily explore diverse topics. The school board's non curricular decision to remove a book. Well after it had been placed in the public school libraries, folks, the question whether that action might not be an attempt to strangle the free mind at its source in 2003 in St. Louis, a court ruled that, quote, depictions of violence alone can not fall within the legal definition of obscenity for minors and that government cannot silence protected speech for children by wrapping itself in the cloak of parental authority. Regarding your reconsideration procedure online by requiring parental consent for question materials and points. 4.7 6.5. I'd like to know that in 2003, the school board in Arkansas voted to restrict students access to Harry Potter books. Students were required obtain a signed permission slip from their guardians before they would be allowed to borrow any of those books. The district court overturned that board's decision on the grounds that the restriction itself violated students First Amendment right to read and receive information. The court noted that while the board performed highly discretionary functions related to the operation of the schools, it was still bound by the bill of rights and could not a bridge students First Amendment right to read a book. Have you take these lawsuit results into consideration going forward. Thank you. >> That is it for public comment. And number 10 consent items to get it. Recommend the approval of the consent agenda for MARCH. 28th 2023. >> We've got a motion. We've got a second. And we will vote when. It hits your screen. A cast their votes. The consent items passed unanimously. Thank you very much. Moving to item number 11 public hearings. I'm going to close this regular meeting and open up the public meeting for the board here. Comments regarding the proposed amendments to policies and answer questions related to those as well. So the first one public hearing for consideration to amend school board policies. If anybody we do have someone signed up for public here. Incumbent Sandra Smith. >> little >> Again, for the record, my name is Alexander Smith. I'm personally I would like appreciate clarification on policies. 1, 1, to 2, slash 3, 1, 2, to slash 4, 1, to 2. >> Non-discrimination and equal employment opportunity, revised and policy 2 to 6, 0, non-discrimination and access to equal education opportunity. Revised it states that hb 7 makes it unlawful discrimination to substance. To that, to subjects, students, employees are any individual to any activity that espouses promotes advances in call. Kids are compels them to believe that certain concepts are discriminatory. The policy reads like it could result in a never ending who's on first a board member or any other person, not just students or staff or another board member, but any individual as the policy states, having a conversation which would fall under the any activity phrasing now, board member says simply says because advances means the same thing. So board member says something is discriminatory because certain concepts are not defined in your policy. It could be anything so board member says something is discriminatory to person. A can now say to the board member that that statement is discrimination against and after says board member has discriminate against them. Board member can now say that that person has discriminate against the board member and on and on into Infinity because ultimately the policy reads to me that even saying anything is discriminatory is discrimination and wouldn't that make the policy itself discrimination? I don't understand how the language used in this policy will apply because it is far too vague. I believe listing out specifically which concepts not a blanket, certain concepts and which activities because surely conversations are different from trainings presentations and workshops are considered to be discriminatory. The specifications will help guide any individual from thinking they are a victim. I believe in ending this policy before proving it will support your staff, students, parents and ultimately the board members who do not open themselves to who's on first discrimination lawsuits. Thank you. Thank you. >> Because public hearing this is open up to anybody who wants to do public comment. There isn't anyone else that one night to hear public comment? Moving to number 2, the approval of the Senate, the school board policies. Does the board want to get clarification on that number? i believe you said 2, 2, 6, 0, I'm sorry. >> too >> Okay. So if MISTER Chapman. If you'd like to come up and in. Give us your thoughts on that. Those 2 policies to the board. >> Thank you, MISTER Chair this is the public hearing for these policies did publicly notice for 30 days and this is our time to freeze your time to vote, to approve these as I'm looking policy, 2, 2, 6, 0, And the changes that are. Advertise to be made. I don't. C. With the public public commenter was referring to. I know the subject matter. >> you're on 2, 2, 6, 0, for right >> the the advertised changes are in green, green and purple and red. So I don't see where that change I can. Talk to this. The substance of of >> Of the of the comment. >> Well, that I can ask you this, MISTER CHAIRMAN. Yes, the changes we're making so. 2, 6, 0, the non-discrimination access, equal education opportunities with already in our policies. Correct. We're changing within the green, correct? Such as the board is not as a condition of employment membership to the occasion, licensing credentialing or passing examination, subject, individual, the training instruction or any other quite activity that is prohibited under Fs 7, 6, 0, 7, 6, 0, 10. Sandra that is JUNE 2, hb 7 passing last correct session, correct. Those are >> Statutory changes that must be made to our policies. You know, for let service that provides that to us. >> It has an update from the so my question is to the board through the it's in the statute and they they list obviously the Florida statutes that are there and why reading it to me, it's something that needs to be added because it was in. Past. And it's a it's it's a state legislature issue that just might. That's that's my opinion. >> And those those 3 statutes. You know, go into great depth further. Look what we put on the policy. What is prohibited? >> We compared. >> The language in the policy to the statute. Yes. The suggested changes. Align, correct. >> We can. We can. We can. You know, we can go back in as are we all want to discuss, adding. >> one of this and there wasn't on this topic should ahead. There was a lot of legislation in the last session that. Things difficult. And I and I I am going to follow up and read, you know, statute for since this and and compare that I don't think we're in a position if it's match the statutory language to do anything other than except state law. >> Well, it and then as the bank you MISS Form of or any other required activity, which I think is what? The question was, it does go on to say that is prohibited under Florida statute 7, 0, 6, 1, 0, 0, 0, 8, defines exactly what that required. Activity is theirs. There's no ambiguity. 2 other required activity. If there was a period there, perhaps. But it's or other activity that is prohibited under those 2 The that there is no ambiguity, it's defined in those 2 statues. >> And you knew to those statues to see what means. Actually. If you're not we to judge your head up. Well, I just try to >> assist the as MISTER Chapman said, this was fully workshop. >> And you, you know, engage Nola. 2 accurately in sir, statutory updates into your policies. >> That has been backed by their legal counsel. Yes. It up a little money to do that. So. >> To be pretty extraordinary to go through and individually, just make sure they did it exactly correctly. In. >> The purpose of this hearing is for the public to express their opinion, really not like what happened in the legislative session there. But you're bound to. So I just encourage the board get to sidetracked. Was there did? >> ms sprayed. You have your hand for the public hearing. Part. >> I think it was another topic. Know. It's it's it's on our policies. I had talked to MISTER Chapman prior to meeting starting. There's a lot of things going on with the legislative process regarding a lot of different topics. The reason I put my hand up was because I wanted to. Get a consensus of the board basically to be able to get ahead of some of these things that are coming down. >> I'm from. Tallahassee to us regarding not only these policies but policies in the future regarding. Book centers, libraries and those kind of things because there are some changes coming and I would like to I've already talked to MISTER CHAIRMAN. I want to talk to about a couple of those policies and get some input along with MAY be talking with a on how we approach that before it actually. And a lap to be honest with you. So basically all I was going to make a comment on is there's going to be a lot of changes. And I like a as a board to get ahead of that a little >> Thank you, MISS. But you have we have deal could be up here soon here in the next couple of whatever number that is. And that's next. Set of policies will be people board workshop. Donna, I believe APRIL 12th and that and that MAY be a good time for board discussion on on on on that and more see where we are Neil. Is very quick. Usually when window last pass to get these changes as quick as possible. But as the legal beagles over here would say when the law has changed, though, that is the law, meaning even or policies MAY take some time to catch up what's in the law is the law. So our and if our policy is is different from the law. The law is the policy until we can get it changed. So but we can. Figure out where we are in APRIL, 12th and but like you said, there's a lot of changes coming with a a library books and curriculum and things. And we'll just see where we the APRIL 12th with those policies and we can you all will what was that like? MISTER Tatum? >> I come in is just about the legislative process in the sense of you're right. It was passed by Legislature. We have to follow them and they MAY be somewhat vague and they MAY not be exactly as precise as we like them to be, but they are the long island and someone has to interpret them and we have good to this organization called to do that. And you know, this is the part of the democratic process in the sense that there are issues that are brought up within society. >> And then look, people in positions of legislative authority are given those. >> Those issues to deal with and the way that legislators deal with those situations as they write laws. And unfortunately, some of these. We call them social issues that have come up and need to be dealt with. And it's hard to do that perfectly with the legislative process. But the law is the law as it is for now. And if we're not happy with it, then we can go back and talk to legislators. The public can go back and talk to their legislators and tell them what they're not happy about that. The legislative process has run its course. And the law is the law. And then we have to make sure that our policies comply with the weather. You know, if I were king what I've written, they're all the love differently and maybe made it more precise, taken that word out here. Take an hour out there. No, but that's what we have a legislature to do that the law's the law we have courts of people feel like their rights are being violated or something. We have a legislative balance of power or a judicial balance of power legislation. So just a quick education, reminding us all of how this process happens. It wasn't done in a vacuum. It wasn't decreed by the governor of the state of Florida. It was a legislative process between the executive branch and the judicial and legislative branches of the government. And then eventually the judicial branch can roll in people are happy with what the legislative and executive branch has done and they can also redress their grievances to the executive branch as well as the legislative branch of the government. So that's where we are. Thank you. >> I see no one else on the board to speak. So I moved. I thank you, MISTER CHAIRMAN. I that number to approval. 2 men school board policy Superintendent Saunders. >> recommend the approval Tillman school board policies and there's a long list. 1, 1, to 1.0, 1, 3, 1, 2, 1, point '01. >> For one to 1.1, 1, 1, to 2, 3, 1, 2, to 4, 1, to 2, 2, 2, 6, 0, 1, 1, to 2 0, 3, 1, to 2 point '01 for one to 2.1, 1, 3, 6, 2, 3, 3, 6, 2, 4, 3, 6, 2, 5, 5, 1, 7, 3, 1, 2, point '04, 8, 1, 0, 0, 9, 8, 0, 0, 8, 4, 0, 7, 9, 1, 4, 2, >> Before we vote on that, I got to close the public hearing real quick and reopened. If you add to that before with you ms and are so close, the public hearing and reconvening the regular meeting. And so do want to reread those. I think does. Before the regular meeting. So we had the superintendent recommendation. >> That motion and a second Need I'm sorry. Perfect. Speaker. Know that was from last time. >> And good cash. Your votes there for the approval to amend the school board policies. And that passes in the thank you very much. Moving on to item number. 14, new business non consent items. Approval of the budget amendment for JANUARY 2023. Superintendent tires. Yes, not recommend the approval of the budget amendments for JANUARY 2020, 2030. >> a motion. A second misses you. I come playing the amendments it. >> So wanted highlight in the JANUARY budget amendments and the board There was not a significant amount of activity of that Chark strings and functions that are over a million there were 535 Budget Amendments, 2,315 heart screenings streams affected. In regards to the entry with that, that heartstrings there were over a million and the general fund. We 1.3 million related to interest income revenue increased. And we had 2.4 in regards to the d o e 3rd calculation. And then there was a reclassification related to the ntc Workforce program budget of 1.3 million. And then we also moved some utility reserves the reserve cost center and electricity costs Center, Tucson School and department cost centers at 3.3 million. There was one nba special revenue of related to the idea grant and that was correcting object code for behavior specialists of one point 2 Million. And in regards to the functions budgets that changed over a million in the general fund. Revenues increase 2.3 million at that elements related to that one was the d o e 3rd cap changes to higher interest of 1.4 million at some additional grant revenue including some occasional rehab say, Gee avenue and some other miscellaneous increases. Also instructional decreased 3 million and that was also related to to the 3rd count received some school recognition moved from reserve to schools correct functions and objects and some other decreases. Do have a thank you very much. And we do have a question. Yes. >> On the board is forming. The 3rd count. It said that that increases because of an increase in enrollment. >> And you know how many students? >> Each year we're for, we're going up about 1000 a net gain. So on and we're projecting the same for the next year as well. >> Nobody else is the thing. Can very much? We have a motion. We have a second approving the budget amendments for JANUARY 20. 23, good cash. Your votes now. >> And that pit passes 5, 0. Thank you very much. You've got to business item. Number 2 approval of advertising and notice of intent to amend school board policies and setting a public hearing at the board meeting on MAY 9th 2023 Superintendent honors. >> recommend the approval of advertising. A notice of intent to amend school board policies and setting a public hearing at the board meeting on MAY 9th 2023, the policies numbered or 1, 2, 1, 0, 3, 2, 1, 0, for 2, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 3, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 7, 1, 2, 4, 1, 6, 2, 5, to 0, 3, 1, to 0, 6, 4, 8, 0, 8, 3, 2, 0, 8, 6, 0, 0, And these will be workshops as stated prior to the vote. And the second >> You discussion if you're good your vote now for the pru advertising noticed intent to amend the school board policies saying a public hearing at the board meeting on 5/9/2023 at passes 5, 0, Thank you very much. Number 3 business, I don't prove agreement for purchase. >> And still a property from Rye Ranch llc. Superintendent Saunders. >> recommend the approval of agreement for purchase in selling property from Right Ranch. L l c. >> Thank It's move. Motion. i'll second that a second. And before we get has Shouldn't it out if you want to do this or MISTER Pena, I have MISTER Pendley here to that's what that out into the public care. >> Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Thanks for having me up. >> Today I'm here to present for your consideration. An agreement for 18 acres located in North River Ranch. The 18 acres would be for an eventual elementary school. Now, this property is located about one mile south of the intersection of Rockland Road and North Fry Road. I can't give you a specific address because there are no roads to the side of this time. But it is between Rutland Road in North Fry Road. Now, right ranch is a mixed use development and they received approval for 3500 dwelling units and addition to commercial uses. So it's quite a large development. This agreement specifies that the purchase price would be based on the average of 2 price one of the appraisals would be performed by the seller at their cost. And one of the appraisal, the performed by the school district and our cost. We would average I know there's a question regarding what week talk that value would be. So I can answer that generally cells in that area are going for about 100,000 maker up to 125,000 acre. So we would anticipate. Because it would be between 1.8 million and two 0.2, you know, 2 million, 250,000. But again, that would be determined by the The payment for this property would be at our option. That would either be for impact fee credits or we we pay cash. Immediately upon approval. We would we deposit $10,000, earnest money we have and that that is beginning of 180 day feasibility period during this feasibility period. We will be doing due diligence on the property. What that means is we would be doing Joe technical testing for the soils. We would do phase one l into phase 2 environmental test. Where do ecological studies for flora and fauna a number of other issues. But all that happens within that 180 days and if there's anything we don't like and within that 180 day period, we can walk away. Our deposit is refunded. As I mentioned, there's no address from the side because there's no roads to the site. So this trip in Lee, can you tell them the purpose of that site in relation to Barbara Harvey Elementary? >> You mean the distance? Well, though, >> it. Its position to take the that one time. Yeah, it would. Significantly help. >> Harvey Elementary, which is it's going to continue to. To be Did all the growth in the county. So this would be the reliever school for this fort for Harvey. I can tell you the Harvey is about 6 point 6 miles exactly from the site as straight as the crow flies. As I mentioned, there's no road the site, but the solar is required to install roads, water, sewer. Reclaim water, sidewalks and everything to serve. The school site. By DECEMBER 31st of 2024. Once they installed the improvements and they're accepted by the county, then we would close on the side. So we don't actually close until everything's in position were satisfied. There's also let mention something. The site is a little smaller than our normal sight. We typically get 20 acres. This won't 18 acres reason for that. Is that the seller has agreed to take all of our storm water. So we're not going to have site retention. So that saves lot property for us. The downfall that so that that's the upside downside of it is that he >> We won't dirt from our own Ponce to help still the site when we get right to develop. But this agreement envisions a separate agreement with with the seller that would allow us to purchased from them. Now we can purchase starting were okay. But here's the thing about dirt. That's it's not the cause of the dirt. That's the cost of the transport transport. So is there dating right next door to probably be their favorable for us to purchase from them. We have to answer any lead to just a real >> There's going to be a park right next to the school as well. There is so these are some green space, you know, next to it. Yes, for them is. We do have a couple. We've people on the board for questions expect. >> I follow the county commission meetings and they are proving. Development after development. You said that there's in 3500 out there. If there were. One student per house, that's a lot of >> And if I want break that down for you. It's We project that those 3500 dwellings will produce 619 elementary students. >> My next question would be. I guess. You MISS Saunders system? High school? >> You know, all the building that's going on out there. How are we we're going. >> I do high school projected on our 5 year capital plan to 3 years. It's been moved up. We do also have a middle school site in conversation and that same area over Iran touch that we don't have the contract finalized on. Hoping to have one done before JUNE. 30th so that got that locked in. Remember, we've got a k 8. East of the rain. You've got another elementary site we closed on east. You've got this one in the North area, possibly a middle school, too. You have the meal middle school north that we're going to start on this next year. And we also have another elementary contract that will probably come to you before JUNE. 30th in Artisan Lakes. Okay. So we've got enough sites for 5 years. Okay. That that 5 years now after 5 years but forecasted out you've got a high school. 2 or 3 more elementary and at one more middle school coming to you for approval that should get you go there. And then you have to forecast after that. >> You know, and we are adding to Lakewood Ranch High School and we're adding to >> Parish right? Right. And we can put a ring on it. Breaking River high. We've got it in our play and if needed. Also >> okay, ok, cause. I mean, the projection of development out there is massive. >> And you? >> I'm more. >> You say Rick, 18 acres? We could never put a k through 8. They're right. >> Because, you know, we all we spoke about that and it. We needed more elementary students and the k 8 could hold. So that's why we're in negotiation for middle school site. Also gives you more students planning it. Then the k 8, but that that could come before you before JUNE. >> As I did look at the map that where this is in conjunction with other elementary schools that we have out there and it's kind of like, okay, that's a really good. To land. >> so so. As Ms Saunders we are in discussions on only middle school site and she close to this. It's very close. It's just on the other side of Route one road so it's the same owner. They don't have any approvals on that So they're trying to figure out exactly. Where that site would be with them, their future development. So we're kind of waiting on them to decide we're we're in some discussions with moment. And they they want to partner with us. Okay, I can. >> Thank you. Have one that like to give a list all of properties that we actually have and share. >> I've got a map for you our briefings. I can give it to each of you said where we've already close to where we're working on negotiation of was seen as well. >> To have that and one pack. It would be nice, you know, because I've looked through some of the 5 year and all plan to Okay, this one. Then you need to go down the rabbit hole like I say, New year until another one. So yeah, from what I saw and again, you know, my concern, too, is being able to handle a out We can get ahead of that. Then I'm all for that because I think we're just going to be bursting at the seams with students and the next. We are. You know, you're right this mess in your book, I think we're going to even more. So the more overcrowded and a lot of our school. So. That's all questions I have. Thank you. Thank you is for you next. >> I just have some questions about the location and my questions hit. You know, are concern about traffic based on what you're showing. Access going to be from directly from Rye Road or Rutledge? No, ma'am, I'm the but go ahead, >> access will not be from either of those roads. >> There the developer extending golf course road, which is on the west side of. Trying to get the straight in my head west side of river of. >> That little reach. The Williams just north of that, right? Yes, our map that you okay for >> So they're extending. Standing golf course road and then there is going to be a road which they're currently calling spine road. They I mean, it's just place holder and we would front on that's fine road. And then that would take you out to run on the road. >> So did the environment of this would be. Would it be more in terms of a neighborhood school or would you be more like say Williams Elementary, where it is on, you know, or or the schools that are on moccasin wallow road. >> I think. I can answer That's what I spoke to them. And it is neighborhood. So it is it's going to be it's not on like MISTER Finley said it's not right on right about that. It's going to be in the neighborhood and their goal is 2 golf cart trail bike trails, walking trails that the the neighborhood can walk and never get on the main roads to go to the school. But if you're north of route you've got to cross, is that as how the thinking the lane, 6 lane. >> I'm going I can't answer that. You stopped me there. I I don't know. >> Ask him to make a plea to into really, really, really, really, really need for the of 4. >> Yeah, I'm sure eventually it will be 4 lanes. Mean, you just don't really learn if it's a it's a busy road that could become a >> issue. I just don't know if it's programmed right now with the county. I'm sure that will be in the future. >> rei is not currently 4 lanes. Is it? But it's big enough, I think, to do for lanes if they redid the lines. It's pretty bit about that North part, I think is pretty wide. But it's yeah. I'm sorry. It's doable for for many. Well, I would like an overpass. >> Developed parts test runs. Just like the villages. But then actually, I have, you know, and a little tunnels. So it's underpass. >> You know, we we actually have some of out in the Lakewood Ranch area. There's some of our schools and you'll drive over them and not even yeah. >> I think we do have an issue there. You've got to have people crossing London right to to get screened. And that's not ideal. As a parent as the parents of at Glen right? You mean some of those wasn't it? Mis? MISTER Tatum. A little low. >> So could you help us understand how the property will be paid for whether it's going to be cash or impact fees and how we will figure that eventually. What >> it's at our option right now and impact fee credits is one. Let me let me back up we started with impact fee credits. In a way that's burdensome to manage. And our current impact fees, which are for single family of $6,127. I'm thinking this is around what quickly in my head around 300 dwellings. So it just depends. Where we are at that point in time if they very developed. You know, 5 or 600 dwellings up there. We could. i mean, we're going to have the cash from that month are from that development. And we would just pay cash for if not, we would do the impact credits. But it is at our option which to do. >> ok, so I'm just trying to understand trying to understand how the process You're saying is. When they build the dwelling houses, whatever, then we get impact fees on the purchase clothes and then we would have a pot of money, right? Go ahead and purchase the land with cash that score, if they hadn't developed enough houses yet or build enough houses it for us to have a pot of money than we would just start giving them impact fee credits equal to whatever we decide on as the sell the property. That is correct. Ok, good. Okay. Let's see. And I'm going to MISS Is forms. Point. How do we coordinate with the county to make sure the infrastructure is in place for our schools. I I know I believe I'm new here, but I've heard stories that one cares. High school was built. That MAY be that there's only a 2 lane road there that wasn't even a sidewalk going to the school. And there were some. Issues at the beginning of setting a parish high school and there were traffic problems and maybe even some safety problems for children. So do we have a according shun process to try witnesses. 4 minutes talking yes, the county adopts a. >> He kept improvement plan. They do, and they show all there. Future improvements. Again, I can't answer about Ron Road right now, but we do monitor what improvements are occurring. And we also have quarterly meetings with the county with their transportation folks in their planning, folks, where we talk about these type things. So those meetings are are actually held in our department and their specific issues like this. >> And do we we say, though, you wouldn't be nice if we had a 4 lane road there before this happened or it would be nice to have a nice underpass for a beautiful overpass with flowers or something. And I'm just curious. >> How did how did it happen? That and again, I'm not trying blame on this trying to make the process better. How did it happen? That MAY be the county's infrastructure was not in place as we build our own infrastructure for parish high school. Could we deserve better way to like I had the idea of having but a quarterly meeting Corbett MAY be a biannual meeting between the county commissioners and that's where we sit down. Talk about these kind of That's a pretty high level meeting. I my question is, could we improve the process so that? The county's infrastructure is in place at the same time that the school opens up. >> Yes, Certainly there's always room for >> remember, we we communicate where we're building in our timeline. You know, we do not control. Decision-making and so forth. It's in both parties. Best interest. To how roads and infrastructure at the same time and for whatever reason that didn't happen. So there will be those when in if the board approves this as well as all of the home myself. And MISTER Wagner also meet with the county administrator. Not only do we talk about where our school sites are. We talk about existing sites that were built a long time ago before sidewalks and those type of things had to be put in place. There's also a procedure, a process with this trip, at least apartment and We say we've got major safety problems and some of our inner corridor schools. We need you to put some sidewalks or something over here and then they work on that conjunction in a perfect world, what we give them all the sites that are coming in, they shift or or make sure that they're putting there roads and therefore lanes. And there. Infrastructure. At the same time, sometimes that works out. Sometimes it many times when we built goal it and some of those other schools, there was nothing out there. Well, it was built. There was nothing there. That's not how it is. Now. They're they're building and selling houses and roads. So I think both parties are trying to keep up with that growth. I will have a meeting with MISTER Washington and met with him last week. MISTER Wagner, 9 MISTER Pendley will go over meet with him personally. He's the interim county administrator and then his department continues quarterly with their meetings. So from the highest level on will know, here's what the boards approved. Here's the timeline that we're going to have these schools built. So hopefully they'll be prepared as well. But this one's really vital this one and the property on the Neil site are vital to the relief of crowding at Barbara Harvey right now, our probably our biggest issue. >> What could we do then is elected officials even at the county and up here because when the parents started driving there and there's all kinds of traffic, they're not going to there probably are going to call you MISTER Wagner. They're going to call me and this foreman and >> coming call. They call the governor, I guess wrong. And we're all going to there look at us all everyone later, position, leadership position or they're going to say why didn't you guys think about this and will go? Well, the county and as just one of for, there's a maybe like I said, maybe we could have a biannual meeting between the county commissioners board and highlight look like this is our these are our top 2 priorities here. We need really work on this or so. We'll give you a lot like we stayed. You'll get a map of all the sites that are projected in the dates. >> So when you're meeting with the county administrators as well, you could emphasize that so that when they're planning their road to their budget, you know, for their 5 year capital plan. Because they have other priorities to it. It's not just based about the schools. So it in a perfect world. They they both coincide. But sometimes there not all the same calendar year that ours are. But we have to build on them to keep up with concurrency and capacity issues but we'll certainly work on it. We'll we'll have our meeting soon. You know, we'll give you the less you can follow up with the commissioners that hopefully they're they're both building roads. When we're building the school's just real quick quarterly, we meet, I think its quarterly. >> The council governments, I think you've been at one get we do meet and everybody sits down the city. The county, everybody's to express that to great time to to talk about that and make sure that they are aware a school going to be here. 24 East, 5, 5, whatever. There were 70. The great time to do that. >> Yes, seems like good governance to serve the citizens better like. This. Is it public project between the county and the school system and somehow coordinating these things in advance. So the county infrastructure shows up at the same time that the school needs. It was just. We could make it happen. We just need to be. And improve. Our processes are start talking earlier or, you know, one of the issues is the idea we can all talk about this amongst ourselves because we have to vote on this. So we have to do it at a council meeting or a bilateral meeting or something like that. So I just I'm just planning that see that maybe this is an area for improvement in the process. Let me just add one additional thing during the feasibility period that 180 day period. >> We are required to go to the county to says pursuant to the statute required to go to the county commission and inform them of this potential school site and they have to vote on whether or not is consistent with their comprehensive plan. So they get a full analysis of the site there. Where of it at that point, we've done that on every school sense. 2005, 6 or maybe maybe 2008 right around that period. >> So which is it being helpful? The no 4. School board members too. >> Don't act the county commissioners and say this is. It's hard to do. One on one MAY be the CHAIRMAN And I don't know some way where we were working closer together with them to say would you bump this up on your because whatever's happening? It didn't happen at Parish and I'm trying to avoid this happening again with the county infrastructure is not in place when the schools ready to open and what can we do to? Improve the process and how can school board members? You know, help to make that process work better. So that the infrastructure is in place when the school opens. I I think communication is always. >> but one thing you can do is and serve the chair. You're reaching out. Maybe adopts, have the board adopt something and sent a letter. To the CHAIRMAN, the county commission saying, hey, here's here's what's planned. You know, maybe not just the school, but for over a five-year period and you know, asking them to prepare their infrastructure accordingly. >> And so it MAY be someone like you could could write the letter and say, read this at this. Here's what we need. We need a 4 lane road or we you know, we need turn lanes and we need it right. We need traffic late for this game and was detailing that else so that when we send that letter, it's not it's not big, but it's very specific about this is the interest and we can work with them to we don't know what we need, although you probably do because you're an expert at this. But that would be a great idea. I think like you said like here that here's what's coming up in the next 5 years. And boyfriend, a four-lane road and a traffic light and a turn lane. What this would be very helpful. I mean, to me, that's the type of thing is that they have that letter. That could be a discussion at the council governments meeting. >> I think that's the appropriate place. I would assume that. >> When you all get together, your team and their team get together. The that discussions happening >> about traffic, about the flow of things. What does it mean or maybe not? >> It is we we go over. Every single project that we are currently working on. And upcoming projects. And school sites that we're purchasing and we let them know time frames for saying so it's at least at the staff level. Now. I'm not saying it gets up to the county commission, but the staff is who I would meet with. >> Well, that's my point is apparently for whatever reason it didn't happen. The parish and it MAY just be sitting, you know, boiling down at the under but we're the ones that are responsible for making sure that happens. It's just. Sure it happens or at least that we've sent a letter to them. And if it doesn't happen, then, you know, when this is Jones buys house out Enright ranch. So as you know, or near Iran to have to wait 15 minutes, you know the line to get off, Roland Road to get my kid to school. At least they can pull up the letter and say, well, we tried to work with the county commission. I'm just saying it would be it's not it's not happening, at least in some cases. And how can we make it happen? So that the infrastructure is in place and maybe it needs to rise to a higher. Higher level. We could workshop this week. I want to take too much time where the school board meeting, but maybe it's workshop we could just talk about writing this letter and having it ready for the next council. But what he called meeting of the council government's own sul governments. That might be a nice idea. But I do want to down this meeting with that, ok? So that was my question there about coordinating on infrastructure and then. It will apparently will be a neighborhood school where it's kind nestled in the center of a neighborhood where most people can or ride their bike or take the new look at screen will be that will be. >> The students from outside the neighborhood. That will tend also but yeah, it's one of the more neighborhood style schools that we will have done a long time. >> With the great and that its plan to be an elementary school science. Okay. I also would like and you said can do that in the Saunders, a list of the her properties that we have and then the ones that we're looking at. Kind of have that in my mind, yes, that would be helpful to And then with them out along with that, and that is all the questions that have. Thank you. Well, if you MISS Message or you're up next. >> I rechecked of a lot of your I would. He you were so gracious to meet with bn MISTER Day. So with I I went and had a meeting with MISTER Pendley all the because I had concerns about the site and it truly relieving Harvey Elementary and when we got the about and the utilization. If you noticed Harvey was the most over utilize school in our entire county. So I had some concerns. I looked at the zoning for Harvey to try and determine how with this really relieve Harvey because that's that's my big concern. And I learned a lot of different things from MISTER Pendley about, you know. Why the site was chosen. And understanding. There's just so many rules about where you can even pick a site >> to really understand that I really do think that this will help her pay. I'm excited to hear more about and artisan Lakes men as well. Because I think the combination of these 2 probably be extremely beneficial and to that area since it is just growing exponentially. You know, I don't think any of us that 4 years ago when we opened Harvey that it would be the most over you like school and all of Manatee County. But here we are. And it just happened so much faster. Then. >> Anyone intended and the same thing with Parish high school. And was just so much faster than anybody. Truly intended or thought would happen. Then. I I don't I don't know if it's a pandemic that. Made things happen so much faster. And people just came here so much quicker. But it it drew a lot faster than I think any been. Had expected. >> So I really appreciate your time. And and the information they got and it really helped me how this will help her be. And that's that's vital. And just because that school is busting at the season. William, we're planning to build. And being there. And they were already not at full capacity. So, you know, I think there will be some really decisions to come once this school is built so and that will be the really difficult thing for this board. To to work through. But that's that's a few I just I appreciate your diligence. I know how much work it's taken to get this to us. I know how much planning and thought has about to get this here. And so I really do appreciate that. I know it's it's, you know, especially in the situation we're in where it's just growing and growing and growing so quickly. We're it's it's difficult for sure. And with the the constraints that are put on where we can buy and build, you know that that's big. So I just I just want to thank you. I appreciate I know that you are part of it. I know that superintendent was part of that and MISTER, all these part of it. But I appreciate all of you. I'm working as quickly as possible to try and help Harvey. And really that's cool because it's just. >> The bill new thing that I want to talk sidewalks, which is something was already mentioned. But I know that we are required to put sidewalks on our site. And I would expect that since this is going to be in a development that there will be sidewalks throughout that development. But that's a huge thing. And I know that there are community groups that are working and together to try and you can push county even more to put our sidewalks on rye and Erie and other locations. But that will be. >> to me. Even more. >> Important parish because the parish that are high schoolers in the elementary school kids, we need to make sure their sidewalks there. I know we'll have that discussion later about a letter. I think that that's a really good idea. I really like that idea. I don't know. Well, I mean, we'll have more discussion about what should say on the 6 things. But I think that's a very smart idea on our. On our behalf. So. >> And he's there will be sidewalks throughout the development is is required. By the Land Development Code which the county follows. Also have to play sidewalks along the frontage of Ryan drug them. There's. I've seen the preliminary plans for the overall development. I think I think in business for you mentioned that there were. A lot of trials and vision and those are multi-use trails. So in addition to the sidewalks, you have these trails were people the biking and walking probably run golf carts. There are all throughout this development. >> ms Foreman. How far away. If the school from? You say half-mile a matter of blocks? >> Taking a second. Just trying to envision this probably. 20 quarter and a 3rd of a mile. >> so we're going to have a lot of people. Because they are going to be coming from outside right range. We're going to have a lot of people coming across. Or at lunch. Would that be fair to say? >> I think the majority will come from. Within this neighborhood. But those this would be controlled We're like golf course intersects with. With North, That would be a so there is signal there. Or who knows could be around about that seems to be the thing >> No, I just look at this and say it if we just if we purchased the piece of property further south, what is proposed here? Would that eliminate some of concerns about crossing major roads and what it also. Be more conducive neighborhood. Thank. You know, I'm in Lee. Good to have residences surrounding the property. Gives more people more residents of that community access, easy access to the school. And one of the most important decisions the board makes is the location of the school, you know, because can't undo that. >> So you're talking about going outside for Iran, the purchase sighed cause ranch is pretty large. >> Right ranch. Be. It is. So I mean, if you went south, that's still right. Rain train. It's still right. Ranch is okay. And north of Rutledge is going to be a new development. Is that correct? >> There's the other is a lot of developments. >> ms Foreman that this sighting conjunction. Was given to us for the proximity of the owner of the property where they. We're willing to deal based on their planned development. >> And you can say that I mean, it's that that is probably in a development. That's probably one of the least of the least attractive parcels. So. Or park Holmes. So when you're >> trying to get property, I know. I'll just tell you the MISTER Family comes back from a county commission meeting that they were approved 10,000 homes. He says, Saunders, we need x number of schools based on the approval. Do. >> I don't call her Saunders. Haha. >> I'm like that. >> And so we sat down on the >> And we store drawn >> For souls of property of the area where we need these schools to be and then his job is to go find people that own the land and those areas and to try to come up with. Are you willing to sell us? The property? This lane owner has 30,000 Acres. So it's not just about where we want to put the school. It's we needed in this area. What are you willing to work with us on? And we need 20 acres for this. We need 40 acres for that. We need 90 acres for for a high school. Can you? Can we do it? You know, can we do business? This deal has taken us and MISTER 2 years. 2 years. And if you ask these 2 gentlemen, they