SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - DORAL CENTRAL PARK

>> OKAY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DORAL SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING. TODAY'S DATE IS TUESDAY FEBRUARY 15TH, THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2022. CALL THE ROLL. >> CALLING ROLL: >> YES. HERE, SORRY. (INAUDIBLE) COUNCILMAN PRESENT. VICE MAYOR DIGNA CABRAL: >> COUNCIL MEMBER DIGNA CABRAL IS NOT PRESENT AT THIS TIME. MAYOR JUAN CARLOS BERMUDEZ: PRESENT. MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. >> OKAY. IF YOU CAN ALL RISE AND FACE THE FLAG FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS) "I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO MY FLAG AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL." >> OKAY. MR. CITY ATTORNEY, MR. MANAGER, MADAD CLERK, ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? >> NO, SIR. NO, MR. MAYOR. >> NOTHING? >> NO, SIR. >> OKAY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DORAL SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING. WE HAVE A NUMBER O GUESTS OUT THERE YOUNG AND A LITTLE BIT OLDER FROM THE GIRL SCOUTS TROOP. WAVE AT THEM, SAY HELLO TO THEM. THEY CAME TO TAKE A TOWER OF OUR FACILITY ISSUE SO IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THEM HERE. IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THE PURSE TIME, IF YOU'RE HERE FOR ANOTHER TIME, WELCOME. TODAY WE'RE DISCUSSING SPECIFICALLY ISSUES FOR THE CENTRAL PARK IN DORAL. WE MAKE DECISIONS AS WE BUILD OUT THE LARGEST PARKS SOME SOUTH FLORIDA AND MAYBE THE STATE AT THIS TIME. AND HAVING SAID THAT, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION THERE'S THREE RULES THAT ARE BASIC IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, WE'LL ASK YOU TO GO OUTSIDE, TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN YOU'RE UP HERE. AND WE GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ONCE YOU NEED TO START WRAPPING UP. YOU CAN CRITICIZE ME AND YOUR ADMINISTRATION, AND CRITICIZE THE SIGNIFICANT OTHERS. AND WE WILL ASK YOU TO STEP OUTSIDE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS, AND WE NEED TO AGREE TO DISAGREE. SO WE'RE GOING TO -- YOU CAN SPEAK TO ANYTHING OF YOUR HEART'S CONTENT. AND WE WILL OPEN UP ON PUBLIC COMMENT WANTING TO STEAK. IS AND GIVE US A SHORT AND SUCCINCT MATTER. COME ON UP. >> OKAY. MONTH JEOPARDY MUSIC. BUT THREE SPINS OF THE GAVEL. THE PUBLIC PORTION IS CLOSED. WHO WILL BE LEADING US? LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE MAYOR CABRAL IS HERE AND ACCOUNTED FOR. >> DISCUSSION ON CENTRAL PARK. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MR. MAYOR, AND COUNCIL. MADAM CLERK AND CITY ATTORNEY I BRING THIS ITEM TODAY BEFORE YOU. UNFORTUNATELY, UM TO GIVE YOU THE CARDS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DEALT THE CROSS ROADS WHERE WE'RE AT, AND WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION TO GET THE DIRECTION FROM YOU TO HOW WE PROCEED WITH DORAL CENTRAL PARK. AS FAR AS UM -- PRESENTING TODAY, SCOTT (INDISCERNIBLE) PRACTICE D N A ARCHITECTURE, AND (INDISCERNIBLE) THEY ARE HERE AVAILABLE PROVIDING YOU WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON HOW WE CAN UM SUCCESSFULLY GET YOU THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL FEELS TO PROCEED, MOVE PARDON AND MINIMIZE UM, THE MATERIAL COSTS THAT INCREASES THAT WE HAVE HAD, AND UM -- IN THE PARK AND TO SEE WHICH -- HOW WE CAN GET OUT OF HERE TODAY WITH A FAVORABLE DIRECTION TO PROCEED AND GET THIS PROJECT DONE FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DORAL. >> OKAY. >> UM -- IT SOUNDED LIKE KENNY ROGERS THERE WAS GOING TO SINGH A SONG. KNOW WHEN IT TO HOLD AND KNOW WHEN TO FOLD THEM, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, LISTEN, EVERYBODY HERE IS COGNOSCENTE OF THE FACT -- THERE'S NO GREAT SECRET, OPEN THE PASSENGER OF THE NEWSPAPER TO YOUR LIKING. I LIKE THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, OTHERS MAY LEEK THE POST OR THE TIMES, GOD BLESS YOU, THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT GOES, WE'RE HERE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS, IS AND WE'RE ALL HERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THE FIVE OF US ARE COGNOSCENTE TO THAT. THE RESIDENTS OF DORAL VOTED FOR A BOND AND A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING UP SOME AND THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT, AND OTHERS BEING BUILT LIKE THE BUILDINGS NEXT DOOR. BUT THAT'S WHY WE WERE ELECTED, AND WE IMMEDIATE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS. THAT'S THE WAY THAT THE BALL BOUNCES. WHO'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST KENNY ROGERS? UM -- (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC). >> OKAY. UM -- AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ASKED US TO DO WAS TO ACTUALLY COMPARE THAT PACKAGE WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WE REFER TO AS DEATH, NINE, AND TEN, WHICH WAS THE G M P IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020 AND THEN THE TWO, UM, D E OPTIONS. B AND C. AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF UM, UM, THROUGH THOSE AREAS THAT WE'LL GET INTO DEEPER IN EACH OF THE SPECIFIC SIX CATEGORIES. AND SOME POTENTIAL MENU ITEMS AS WELL. SO STARTING WITH THE UM SURVEY. YOU ASKED. YOU CAN SEE THE DIMENSIONS IT'S 585 BY 1319 BUT THAT GOES TO THE CENTER LINE OF 92ND. THAT AN IN PROCESS SO WE WENT AHEAD AND PULLED THAT PROPERTY LINE BACK. SO ABOUT 40 FEET AND BY DID GO THAT, WE HAVE UM, 3.3 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF PROPERTY WHICH EQUATES TO 77 ACRES, IF YOU TAKE THE LAKE OUT, WHICH IS ROUGHLY ABOUT, 15.8 ACRES THAT GIVES YOU 61 UPLAND ACRES, AND THEN AS YOU ALL KNOW THE PURCHASE OF THE STATE LAND ON THE SOUTHEAST BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER IS JUST UNDER AN ACRE, AND WHEN YOU COMBINE THAT, THAT EQUALS, 78 ACRES, ANY QUESTIONS MORE? >> ANSWER IT NOW. WE WERE CLOSE TO 80 BEFORE AND NOW, WE'RE RIGHT BEHIND. >> NO COMMENTS. OKAY. UM -- AND CAN THEN JUST VERY QUICKLY BETWEEN THE MASTER PLAN AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL KNOW THE LEVEL OF EFFORT AT A MASTER PLAN LEVEL WITH REGARDS TO A PROGRAMMING, AND THE GENERAL SPACE ALLOCATION, AND A ROUGH ORDER OF NAG ANY ATTITUDE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. WHEN YOU TAKE THAT MASTER PLAN AND GO INTENSE LIEU THROUGH A NUMBER OF COORDINATED MEETINGS, WITH A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY. AND UM, ADDRESSING A LOT OF HOW THAT MASTER PLAN WOULD PROCEED AND EVOLVE, AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ABLE TO COLLECT A LOT OF DATA THAT THE MASTER PLAN DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, NOR WAS IT EXPECTED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I'LL GO THROUGH THE SLIDES. PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A PRINTED SET, WITH A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON ON THINGS THAT WE ENHANCED OR ADDED SO FORTH, BECAUSE WHETHER IT WAS FROM CODE OR REQUEST OR IF IT WAS OPERATIONAL NEEDS WITH REGARDS TO THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE ROCKLANDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAKE WITH THE ADDITIONAL LAKES. BY CODE OR BY NEED IN SOME AREAS THAT WERE IN THE MASTER PLAN, OBVIOUSLY, KNOW THE ORIGINAL FIELDS, WHICH WAS TOTAL FLEXIBILITY. A PORTION OF THAT WAS CONVERTED TO PERMANENT BALL FIELDS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. THE AQUATICS FACILITY WENT THROUGH A LOT OF INTENSE WORKSHOP FOR THE CITY WITH TERMS OF THE BEST SIDES THAT CAN OFFER IN BOTH OF COMPETITIONS. AND AS YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE WHICH WAS NOT PART OF THE VISION ADDED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE ROOFTOP CAFE WAS ADDED. DURING THE SCHISMATIC SET, THE ADMIN OFFICE WAS INCLUDED. AND THE ROOFTOP WAS ADDED. SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE WAS ADDED BECAUSE OF FEMA CONDITION AND BASED FLOOD ELEVATIONS. SO THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCHISMATIC PACKAGE AND YOU COMPARE THAT WITH THE G M E PACKAGE, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THE CORRELATION OF ALL OF IT. WE HAD LITTLE TO NO COMMENTS BEYOND PLANNING AND ZONING, IT WAS REALLY OUR FIRST GUT CHECK TO SAY WHERE WE WERE AT, VERSUS, WHAT WE REFER TO DURING THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD IN PACKAGE A. THERE WERE OVER ONE THOUSAND SHEETS, MUCH MORE COORDINATIONS, FROM THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, AND THIS WAS A COMPETITIVE HARD BID PACKAGE, SO IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT SET. AND SUBJECT TO THE MARKET INCREASE, WHICH WE WENT OVER IN DETAIL, WHAT GARET WENT OVER IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK. SO -- AND THOSE TWO ESTIMATES IN THIS -- WE PRESENTED THIS TO YOU LAST WEEK, THIS IS TO SHOW YOU WHERE ONE IS, VERSUS EIGHT IN THE TOTAL OF THE TEN ESTIMATES THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PREPARED. UM -- BY (INDISCERNIBLE) NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMPARISON. YOU ASKED TO TAKE THE SCHISMATIC DESIGN AND BEGIN TO COMPARE EACH OF THOSE SIX AREAS IN THOSE DELTAS BETWEEN THE TWO. GARY, DO YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS? >> GARET (INDISCERNIBLE) WE HAVE BUDGET NUMBER ONE, WHICH WE REFER TO LAST TIME AS THE BASELINE, AND SCOTT WENT THROUGH HOW WE GOT FROM THERE TO THAT SCHEMATIC DESIGN. TO COME UP WHERE THAT BUDGET AND PROJECT WOULD LAND AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD ABOUT A YEAR LATER IS WHERE IT WENT TO G AND P. AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT TRANSPIRED OVER THE COURSE OF THAT YEAR AND HOW GLOBALLY HOW WE GOT THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS HOW IT WENT FROM 115 UP TO THE 133. I CAN -- I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN, IF YOU LIKE, AND THEN IF YOU RECALL, THAT CITY MANAGER GOT INVOLVED, AND A C O M GOT INVOLVED, AND WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND DROVE THIS PRICE DOWN. >> ON YOUR SCHEMATIC DESIGN, IT'S ESTIMATED TO 24, 22 IT'S 2020. >> YES, SIR. MY POLICIES. THAT SHOULD SAY 2020. SO A YEAR LATER IN 21 IS WHEN WE GOT IT DOWN TO THE 107 AND THEN UM -- WE STARTED TO BRING SOME THINGS BACK THAT EVERYBODY FELT IT WOULD BE NECESSARY. AND TONIGHT YOU SEE SOME MORE OPTIONS FROM THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU SAW LAST TIME. TO PUT ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE DOLLARS TO THIS. TO UNDERSTAND -- >> EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND, JUST SO YOU GO TO THE GMPA WHICH WAS A PERIOD OF ALMOST TWO YEARS, ONE YEAR, BECAUSE THAT WAS 21. IS THAT DAY CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IT WAS ONE YEAR FROM THE ORIGINAL BUDGET. >> OKAY. >> SO UM, AT THAT TIME YOU ARE DESCRIBING IN THE PRIOR PAGE. AT FIRST, IT WAS LIKE A REAL BASIC SHORT NUMBER OF SHEETS. NOT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. >> CORRECT. >> AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT, AND THE GMPA IS NUMBER ONE IS -- NOW IT'S ONE THOUSAND SHEETS OF DOCUMENTS, YEAH, READY TO GO. >> PERMIT COMMENTS COVERED. MORE HIDDEN COSTS, I GUESS FROM THE UM -- OR NOT JUST THE SAYING COSTS, BUT THE BIDDERS, SO THEN THE DCP INCREASE, IS 13 AND A HALF FOR CONSTRUCTION COVID IMPACT. AND NOW THIS IS THROUGH SEPTEMBER, AND WE DON'T HAVE A NEW ONE YET. >> NO, SIR. SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE -- >> SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UM, 18 THOUSAND, ABOUT, 15 PERCENT INCREASE? >> UM -- >> IT'S ABOUT 13 AND A HALF IS WHAT WE CALCULATED IT AT. >> RIGHT. >> BUT THE TREND -- THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, THE A G C BUILDING CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATED BETWEEN, APRIL 2020 AND OCTOBER 20TH, THAT'S NINE PERCENT. SO IN THIS 13 AND A HALF PERCENT, THAT'S -- WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IF YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COST OF LABOR AND PRODUCT. THE BIGGEST CHUNK CAME PRACTICE THAT. AND NOT THE THOUSANDS OF SHEETS, UNLESS I'M MISREADING HAD. >> YES, TO SAY THAT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. >> THE 12 PERCENT WAS A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. AND IT WAS FROM OCTOBER -- APRIL, SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LONGER HE, IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER. >> YES, SIR. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPH, IF I CAN POINT YOU TO THE GRAPH. >> YEAH, THAT WAS A LONGER PERIOD. >> YES, AND YOU NOTICE EARLY ON IN THE GRAPH, THERE WASN'T MUCH MOVEMENT UNTIL LATER IN THAT PERIOD. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT IS FLAT LINED, SO THERE WASN'T A WITHOUT LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THE INDUSTRY PRICES. AND IT WAS STARTING TO CLIMB BUT THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR POPULATION. THE BIDS. >> WHICH IS THE WHITE? >> THE BID PRICES ARE THE WHITE, AND THE BIDS ARE GOODS AND SERVICES. >> ACTUALLY, 21? >> RIGHT, RIGHT. >> SO MOST OF THAT INCREASED. SO BASICALLY THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BECAUSE I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, LAST TIME I HAD SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS, BUT THE INTENT IS NOT -- I MOW THAT IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT AND CONFUSING, THERE'S A CHANGE IN ADMINISTRATION, AND DIFFICULT TIMES FOR EVERYBODY. BY NOTHING THAT I AM SAYING, THERE'S MISTAKES MADE. IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG DONE WITH THAT. I WANT TO HONE ON THIS IN PARTICULAR. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO SPEND. IN THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTROL TO WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH COVID IN LABOR AND -- WHAT IS THAT? >> MATERIALS. SO -- IF IT'S -- AND THEN I WANT TO GET A WADE FROM THE FACT THAT OH, WAIT A SECOND, THIS IS COMPLETELY WRONG. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS ONE.FIVE PERCENT OFF PRACTICE A -- FROM AN INITIAL, YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESIGN FROM THE ORIGINAL ONES, IT'S NIGHT AND DAY, IT WENT FROM SOMETHING BASIC FROM MY BELIEF THAT IT MERITS AND IT DESERVES. A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE THAT IT WAS NECESSARY TO DELIVER THE PRODUCT THAT WE WANT FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO TO ME THAT'S GOOD NEWS AS FAR AS I SEE IS CONCERNED. AND WE WANT TO MAKE A DECISION TO WHAT WE WANT. >> AND TO REPEAT THAT BACK. I THINK THAT IT'S WORTH NOTING THE ENHANCEMENTS. >> RIGHT. >> WHAT WE DID WAS STATE WITHIN A PERCENT AND AND A HALF. WHICH IS PRETTY REMARKABLE. AND IT WAS WITH INTENT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WERE ALL OF THE PRICES IN BETWEEN, AND THE ADJUSTMENTS BEING MADE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE WAY, NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS TO POINT OUT WAS TO STAY WITHIN A PERCENT AND AND A HALF AND GET THOSE NICER FEATURES, I THINK WORKED OUT REALLY WELL, AND I KNOW THAT IS 12 PERCENT THE MARKET DID NOT WORKOUT TO THE CITY'S FAVOR, AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY IS DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW. WHAT I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT THERE. I'M NOT TRYING TO PREDICT THE FUTURE, CRYSTAL BALL. THE GOODS AND SERVICES. THE WHITE LINE ARE THE BID NUMBERS -- THE INDUSTRY TRYING TO CATCH UP, AND RAISE THEIR PRICES SO THAT RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE LOSING MONEY UNLESS THEY RAISE THEIR PRICES, AND SO THAT WHITE LIEN THE REASON WHY THE ARROW IS POINTED UP THERE. IT'S TRYING TO CATCH UP TO THE GOODS AND SERVICES. THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE WITH NUMBER EIGHT THAT G N P WAS IN SEPTEMBER. ALL OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT ARE FROM SEPTEMBER. SO THEY HAVE INCREASED SENSE THEN, AND IT WILL CONTINUE IT INCREASE. >> IT SAYS NINE AND TEN HERE. >> NINE AND TEN ON THIS SLIDE, WE MISSED THE POINT BUT ON THE LAST SLIDE, THERE WAS AN ASTERISK ON THE BUDGETS. BASED ON SEPTEMBER. >> YOU DID THEM THEN. BUT NOT BASED ON CURRENT COSTS. >> THAT'S WREATH. >> THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. >> YES, SIR. >> SO FAST FORWARDING. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE AND I MAT TICK DESIGN. WE DID IT BY PHASES. SO THE PROJECT WILL BE TURNED OVER IN A FEW PHASES, THAT'S HOW WE TURNED OVER THE PIECES. WE BROKE IT DOWN BY AREA. SO, I HI THAT I SAID IT LAST TIME, AND SORRY MR. CITY MANAGER FOR REPEATING THE STORY, BUT I WOULD EQUATE TRYING TO TAKE THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN TO THE G M P IT'S CLOSE. BUT IT'S NOT A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. WE GOT IT REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT THE VALUES WERE AT THE TIME OF SCHEMATIC TO GET TO THE 115 THAT'S A SOLID NUMBER. THE 133 IS A SOLID, TO MOVE FROM A TO B TO C. THOSE ARE THE REAL NUMBERS THAT WE ARE TALKING WITH THE CITY AND THE DESIGN TEAM. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW? >> SORRY FOR THE LONG WINDED EXPLANATION. >> YES, SIR. >> AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE'LL NEED AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING. I MOW THAT WE HAVE A SOFT COST DOWN AS PROTECTION TO THAT. BUT WITHOUT TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT. WHAT KIND OF A -- DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OR WHAT PERCENTAGE INCREASE CAN WE SEE WHEN WE CREATE A BUDGET RIGHT NOW. >> SO WHAT I CAN TELL I IS WHAT WE SAW, I'M WAITING FOR THE NEXT A G C REPORT. IS AND ALSO GETTING A THIRD QUARTER OF LAST YEAR, I'M WAITING FOR A THIRD QUARTER TO PUBLISH, SO THAT'S THE CRYSTAL BALL. SO WHAT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE SAW WITH THE WORK THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH, WE SAW ON AVERAGE AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT SCOPE IT IS, BUT IF YOU AVERAGE ABOUT, 7.3 TO 7.5 INCREASE FOR THE LAST QUARTER OF LAST YEAR. >> I KNOW. >> AND AGAIN, THAT ARROW IS RAPIDLY RISING TO CATCH UP TO THOSE UM -- SERVICES. SO THAT'S WHAT WE SAW AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, TO PREDICT WHERE IT WOULD BE. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT WAS DEALT WITH IN THE SOFT COST. AND IT IS BROKEN DOWN AT THE END. AND WE HAVE, FIVE TO 7 PERCENT THERE. AND WE'RE ESTIMATING AN EXTRA FIVE. WE NEED TO HAVE A BALL PARK. AND WE'RE BACK HERE AGAIN SAYING, HEY GUYS, WE'RE OFF, AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. AND I MOW THAT WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION. JIM, I'LL KEEP TALKING UNLESS YOU WANT TO REPLACE ME HERE. BUT WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS AROUND WHERE IT WOULD BE THAT WE ALREADY HAD THAT 7.3 TO 7.5 ALREADY. WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS IN THE G N P. WHAT YOU HAD WAS 12 PERCENT AND UM, ALSO A HEALTHY CONTINGENCY THAT'S IN YOUR COURT TO HELP WITH THOSE THINGS OR FUTURE CHANGES. >> THE 12 THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS THE ESCALATION FROM SEPTEMBER TO WHEN -- AND WE HAVE HOW MUCH CONTINGENCY I SAW IT IN THE BACK SOMEWHERE. >> SO WE'RE NOT TOO FAR OFF. BECAUSE TODAY WE HAVE TO GIVE A RANGE OF LATITUDE ON THAT. OTHERWISE WE'RE BACK HERE AGAIN. AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE HERE TO DECIDE. IT'S A DIFFICULT DECISION TO PREDICT WHERE IT WOULD BE. >> THIS COMMITTEE HAS MET AND COME BACK TO THAT TO PRESENT IT TO YOU. AS WHAT THIS GROUP THINKS, BUT YOU THAT I SAY, THOSE ARROWS SEEM STEEPER. TO INCREASE OR DECREASE IT. >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS) >> QUESTIONS, CAN YOU PRE ORDER THE SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS AND LOCK THE PRICE IN? >> THAT'S A BIG QUESTION, AND I WOULD IF I CAN SPEND A COUPLE OF MINUTES ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. WE CAN AND WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT DOING EARLY RELEASES THAT THE RISK IS I'M GOING TO START STAFFING UP TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, NOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HOLDING OUT IS TO GET THE PER HIT TO DO THE ON THE GROUND AND WE COULD STAFF IT UP IN ANTICIPATION THAT THE PERMIT WILL BE HERE IN TWO TO THREE MONTHS. AND WORK WITH YOU ON THAT TIMING. BUT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS -- WELL, I'M GOING TO -- I WILL HAVE TO BRING STAFFING OUT AND IF THE PERMIT DOESN'T HIT ON MONTH TWO OR WHATEVER DATE THAT WAS. NOW I'M BURNING G C'S, AND SPENDING YOUR MONEY UNNECESSARILY, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE WANT TO GET IN AND OUT, AND MAKE IT EFFICIENT. >> SO THESE ARE PERMITS THAT WE'RE WAITING ON THE COUNTY. >> NO. THAT ACTUALLY HAS -- WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. THAT'S GOOD. >> SO YOU'RE WAITING ON US? >> SO WHATEVER YOU DECIDE HAS TO BE RESIGNED TO WHATEVER WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND THAT WILL BE PERMITTED. >> SO THE COUNTY REFINERY. >> IF I CAN JUST ADD, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE HAVE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LARGER FOUR. WE HAVE THE PERMITS, PARTICULARLY THE TOUGHEST ONE FOR THE COUNTY FOR THE WATER AND SEWER. A, WE'RE LOOKING AT REVISIONS WHICH ARE HISTORICALLY QUICKER, AND B, WE HAVE PERMITS IN PLACE, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE HAD LAST TIME. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN, THE WAY THAT YOU LOOK AT IT FROM ROUND TO SQUARE EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN, EVERYTHING WAS INCLUDED. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HYBRID SCOPE, WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN YOU, AND I HAVE A BLOW UP, AND THE LEFT BEING ESSENTIALLY PROBLEMATICALLY WHICH WAS ON THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN, WHICH WE CALL A, AND THE RIGHT SIDE BEING C. WE ROTATED IT AT ONE HUNDRED DEGREES, WE HAVE FIVE HUNDRED SEATS UNDER THE CANOPY, AND WE HAVE THAT -- >> JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE -- LAST TIME YOU HAD THE 5.3 PLUS. AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE? >> THAT'S NOT THE CASE. >> THAT'S GOOD NEWS. SO WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS ESSENTIALLY A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A AND C WHICH REPRESENTS THE SPRINKLER. >> AND THE ROTATION OF EVERYTHING. >> BASED ON WHAT YOU ASKED US TO DO WE HAVE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL ONES, BUT AGAIN WITH HOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO CHECKING EVERYTHING. IT'S JUST THAT AT THIS POINT, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH GARET'S TEAM, IT IS WORKING CLOSELY. WE'RE GIVING YOU THE SCHEMATIC PACKAGE. >> YEAH ARE I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT NO SOUND. >> ONE THING -- THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. SO -- WE HAVE RECOMMENDED -- WE REACHED OUT TO OUR CONSULTANTS, AND THEY GAVE US SOME THINGS TO LOOK AT AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND SO THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO SOME FURTHER STUDIES, BY SOME EXPERTS IN THE SOUTH. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL BRING OR DO WITH THE SPEED THAT WE'RE WORKING AT. AND SO WHETHER THAT'S A WALL OR AN ADDITIONAL ELEMENT ON THE SOUTH PROPERTY, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER CAN AS PART OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE THERE'S THREE TYPES OF FREQUENCIES, HIGH, MEDIUM, AND LOW. THE ONE FREQUENCY WILL BE YOUR BASE FREQUENCY, WHICH IS ANNOYING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, SO WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT AND WE ASKED THE CONSULTANT TO GIVE US AN ANALYSIS ON THAT. AND THEY OUTLINED THAT. AND WE PROVIDED THAT WITH BOTH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. >> AND JUST FOR -- THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ADDING, THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL -- IT'S NOT CHANGING THE ESSENCE OF THIS STRUCTURE OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING? >> NO. >> AS IF WE NEEDED TO DEAL WITH THE POSSIBLE SITUATION. >> RIGHT. >> NO EITHER (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) WAY (INDISCERNIBLE). HIGH AND MEDIUM FREQUENCIES, I DON'T THINK THAT THE NORTH IS THE ISSUE. EVEN WITH THE SOUND SYSTEMS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY ARE OMNI DIRECTIONAL. THAT'S THE ISSUE SO -- ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER. >> ONE MORE QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. I LIKE THE BACK TOWARDS THE LAKE, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT (INDISCERNIBLE). EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THINGS ON THE NORTH ALSO. WHICH IS THE TOWN HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 33RD STREET. IT SEEMS FAR AWAY. AND IT MAY NOT BE. BUT THE ON THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT BACK ON THE LAKE. IS THERE'S AGREE CONNECTION. PATHWAYS THAT THEY CAN FIT, THE WALKWAYS THAT BRING TRUCKS BACK THERE TO DELIVER AN EQUIPMENT? >> YES, THE OUTER BASE RANGE SERVICES FOR SEVERAL THINGS, PEDESTRIANS, AND POTENTIAL CROWD CONTROL DURING THE EVENTS, AND IT'S FIRE TRUCK REQUIREMENTS FOR EMERGENCIES AND IT'S ALSO TRUCKS, INITIALLY THE IDEAS WAS TO BRING THE TRUCKS WITH THE VENUES TO CORNER THAT OFF SO THAT THE PEDESTRIANS CAN WALK THAT OFF IN THE AREA, SO YOU DO HAVE ALL OF THE ACCESS, SO WE HAVE TO SHOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HOW THEY WENT THROUGH AND THEY APPROVED THAT. >> I'M SURE IT WILL HOLD THE WEIGHT OF THE FIRE TRUCK. >> OH, YEAH. AND WE USE THE BIGGEST TRUCK VENUES. IT WILL COME WITH THAT AS WELL. >> MOVING ON TO WHAT WE CALL THE ROCKLINS. YOU CAN SEE THE DELTAS, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SCHISMATIC DESIGN. A NUMBER OF DIFFERENCES, WE HAD A LARGER PAVILION THAN ANTICIPATED. AND WE HAD SHADE STRUCTURES THAT WE HAD NOT ANTICIPATED. AND WE ADDED A RESTROOM NEAR THE BASKETBALL COURTS, AND AS WE BEGIN TO REALLY STUDY THE CONTOURING, THERE'S A LOT OF AREA THAT REQUIRED ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE ABOVE GRADE ENGINEERING AT THE TIME OF THE SCHEMATICS. AND WITH THE HYBRID C, I BELIEVE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, WE MADE SURE FROM THE THAT PAVILION SIDE THAT WE WERE GETTING THE SUPPORT FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION ON THAT. SO I BELIEVE I'M NOT SPEAKING OUT OF TERM. >> QUICK QUESTION, UM, YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT. WHERE ARE THE CLOSEST RESTROOMS NOW FOR THAT AREA? >> THEY ARE JUST TO THE RIGHT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SCHEMATIC DESIGN. JUST BY THE BALL FIELDS. >> THIS IS ON NUMBER TEN THE BOTTOM RIGHT? >> UM -- >> WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE HYBRID C. THAT'S THE BLUE BOX. THAT'S THE EDGE. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT? THE PARKING ON THE TOP? >> YES, I SEE IT NOW. >> WE DID GO THROUGH THE ASK MAT TICK OPTIONS. TO RELOCATE SOME PAVILIONS. AND THEN WE WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST MENU ITEMS TO LOOK AT FOR ALL OF YOU TWO ELEMENTS. ONE WAS WHETHER WE WANTED TO ADD THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL BALL FIELD WHICH ADDS AN ADDITIONAL FEET. IF WE DO THAT -- >> THAT'S NOT REFLECTED HERE? >> NO. IT WAS REFLECTED ON THE OLDER PLAN, WHICH IS THE WHITE STRAP, I'M SORRY I TOOK IT OUT, WHICH ADDS ADDITIONAL FIELDS. >> DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST? >> ON THE PAGE BEFORE. >> I HAVEN'T JUMPED TO THAT PAGE. OKAY. I GOT YOU. THAT'S NOT BAD. >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) (INDISCERNIBLE). >> THE DRAINAGE WAS A CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT THERE'S REALLY GOOD PERCOLATIONS IN THAT CORNER, WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT IT. IT'S THE TURN RATE, HOW QUICKLY WILL IT DRAIN, IT'S A MASTER OF TIMING BASED ON THE SOUTH FLORIDA RANGE. ALTHOUGH, I DON'T HAVE METRICS OF THAT TO SHARE WITH YOU. THE THOUGHT IS, IF WE WANTED TO HAVE ONE OF THE FIELD TO HAVE HIGH SCHOOL, WOULD WE WANT TO CONSIDER THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THIS -- NUMBER ONE, IT'S FOR ONE FIELD OR TWO FIELDS? NUMBER ONE AND TWO FOR ONE FIELD. WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIT HIGH SCHOOL STANDARDS. JUST THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS) THAT'S CORRECT. OR ON THE EAST SIDE, YEP. >> MOVING ON TO THE AQUATICS, YOU CAN SEE THE DELTAS BETWEEN THE TWO SCHEMATIC DESIGNS BETWEEN THE G M P. FAIRLY CLOSE, AND THE HYBRID OPTION DOES, AS WE BRING BACK ALL OF THE COMPETITION ELEMENTS TO EXPLORE TO BE REMOVED IN B, WHICH IS THE FOUR LANE BACK TO 8 LANE AS WELL AS THE WEIGHT ROOM, AND THE SPRING BOARD DINING FOR THE COMPETITION ONLY. >> SO BRINGING BACK -- IT'S NOT BRINGING BACK THE GRAND STAND? >> WHAT'S NOT THERE IS THE UPPER ELEVATED DECK OF THE GRAND STAND. >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? HOW MANY ROWS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY UPWARD? >> THERE WERE TWO AREAS, THERE WAS THE REGULAR GRAND STAND TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE STANDS OF COMPETITION. >> HOW MANY LEVEL OF BENCHES. >> MAYBE DARREL CAN CHECK THE NUMBER, I WANTED TO SAY -- I THINK IT WAS 15 ROWS OF STEPS, WE HAD AMPLE, AT THE TOP, WHICH IS THE SUPPORT BUILDING WHERE THE BATHROOM AND LOCKERS WERE. WE CONVERTED THAT TO AN ADDITIONAL VIEWING AREA, FROM AN ELEVATOR AND A STAIR. SO ESSENTIALLY, IT WAS AN ENHANCED AREA, THAT WOULD ALLOW, IT WAS NICE TO HAVE IT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT OR A NEED TO HAVE. I DON'T KNOW ARON IN YOUR CONVERSATION IF THAT WAS BOUGHT UP, BUT I KNOW THAT IN OUR CONSULTATIONS, THAT UM, THAT IT WAS NICE TO HAVE -- A NEED TO HAVE THAT, WE STILL HAD A CANOPY OVER, AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE GRAND STAND FOR THE COMPETITION IN FULL. >> AND IN THE OFFICES, WAS THERE AN AREA WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE OFFICES ON PARKS? >> WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT, THAT'S THE NEXT ONE, AND IF I CAN -- I DON'T WANT TO RUSH FOR THAT. >> I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE LAZY RIVER. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED IT. THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT COMPARED ABOUT THE NORTH CORRIDOR -- NORTH FROM US. THE COST OF MAINTENANCE IS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, JUST BEING CONSERVATIVE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AGREE, I UNDERSTAND TO HAVE AN AREA FOR KIDS, BUT A LAZY RIVER. >> BUT THE QUESTION OF THAT. THE BOND REQUIRED SOMETHING AS FAR AS -- >> NO. THE CITY ATTORNEY -- >> NO. (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS) >> MY CONCERN IS NOT (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS) >> SPLASH, YES, IT'S GOOD FOR THE KIDS, BUT THE LAZY RIVER IS -- >> ONE AT A TIME. >> HOW MUCH IS THE -- WHAT WOULD BE THE SAVINGS OF THE LAZY RIVER IF IT'S NOT THERE. >> HOW MANY LANES DOES THE COMPETITION POOL HAVE. >> EIGHT LINES. >> THE COMPETITION IS EIGHT. AND UM -- I BELIEVE IT'S MORE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE WIDTH OF THE PRACTICE, AND THAT'S A SHORT LANE. >> YEAH. >> IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY BE MORE. >> AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER OFFHAND, BUT I CAN -- >> GOING BACK TO THE LAZY RIVER, WE HAVE THE VICE MAYOR SAYING,S IT NOT JUST THE COST OF BUILDING BUT MAINTAINING THAT IT MAY NOT BE WHAT WE NECESSARILY WANT, THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT. >> THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH OFFICE OR SITTING OR OTHER AREAS THAT I SEE THERE. FOR THE TENANTS, AND IT'S MUCH MORE RECREATIONAL, AND IT WILL BE MUCH MORE FRUITFUL. >> THE COMMUNITY CENTER AT THE OTHER PARK. IT'S ALWAYS FULL, BEING USED BETTER DOLLAR SPENT THAN A POOL THAT MAY BE USED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. >> I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU BECAUSE I HAD THE DISCUSSION YEARS AGO. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT -- WHETHER WE SAT DOWN AND DISCUSSED THIS PARTICULAR AREA WHICH WE HAVE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TONED DOWN AN IDEA OF IN ORDER FOR US TO -- REMEMBER THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE CHARGING PEOPLE TO ENTER THIS AREA, IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE UP IN OF THE COSTS AND RECOVER ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS TO CHARGE FOR THAT AREA, SO WHILE WE CAN MAKE THINGS SMALLER, WE CAN THAT I CAN THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING THIS WATER PARK IDEA THERE. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO OFFER, OTHERWISE, WE CAN'T CHARGE FOR THE SERVICE. >> FROM THE INFORMATION THAT I GATHERED. THE AMOUNT THAT YOU WOULD CHARGE WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE. >> SO COUNCIL MEMBER MARIACA IS CORRECT. WE DID A FEASIBILITY REVIEW BACK THEN THE MASTER PLAN CONCEPT, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR IN THE OPTION AND SOME THE HYBRID OPTION SEAT BACK THEN, TO SEE WHAT WE CAN CHARGE AND WHAT ARE REVENUES ARE AND THE COSTS. WE DID A RESEARCH LOOKING AT OTHER POOLS WITHIN THE AREA AS WELL AS UP IN MARTIN COUNTY IN SELFISH PARK WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE DESIGNED. WE MODELLED IT AFTER THEIRS, WITH THE RECREATIONAL AREA, IN THE RESEARCH WE FOUND THAT THE RECREATIONAL SIDES. THE REKREE CREATION SIDE DOES HELP TO BALANCE OUT THE COST RECOVERIES. AND THEY ARE JUST A COMPETITION POOL. AND THEY ARE ABOUT A 29 PERCENT OF COST RECOVERY. WHEN WE DID THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WE SAW THAT WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE APPROXIMATELY 75 PERCENT OF THE COST RECOVERY. TO WHAT YOU WANT, AND YOU CAN POSSIBLY CHANGE THE COMPONENTS IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT TO A WATER OF POOL, AND I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COST OF THAT BUT UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT BASICALLY BACK IN 2017 CHARGING ABOUT, 12 OR 13 CALLERS PER PERSON THE MORE THAT YOU CAN CHARGE FOR THAT. AS WELL AS POSSIBLY EXPLORING BRINGING IN A MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR THE FIRST FOUR OR BELIEVE YEARS TO RUN THE THAT SIT AS EXPERTS. >> YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE COST RECOVERY OFF RATIONAL COSTS. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A JUMP OF 50 PERCENT OF A SPLASH PAD RIVER -- FROM 20 SOMETHING PERCENT TO 0 PERCENT? >> FOR THE ENTIRE AQUATIC FACILITY AND RECREATIONAL SIDE. ALTHOUGH IT HAS THE LAZY RIVER IT HAS SLIDES AND THE SPLASH GROUND AREA. AND YOU HAVE THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM THERE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DRIVING THERE. FOR THE ENTRANCE FEE THERE. >> BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE CHANGING IF YOU DON'T WANT THE LAZY RIVER CHANGING THAT FROM SOMETHING ELSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BOND. IT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. BUT HOW MANY PAVILIONS WERE YOU TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE STUDY. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY HAD SPECIFIC PAVILION NUMBERS, MUST I THINK NOW THERE'S PROBABLY -- WE HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF PAVILION -- >> NO. I MEAN AROUND THE LAZY RIVER. OR CLOSE TO IT. SO IT'S ALL WITHIN THE ACTUAL DECK SPACE, THERE'S FIVE OR SIX. GIVE OR TAKE RIGHT NOW. AND THERE'S A ROOM THAT CAN BE DIVIDED INTO TWO TO RUN PARTIES OUT OF THAT AS WELL. AND I CAN SEE THE SIGN TWO. AND IF I'M LOOKING AT THE -- THE CHALLENGING PART WITH THAT -- >> THOSE ARE THE BIG ONES, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TABLES THERE. >> THE CHALLENGING PART FOR THEY MR. IS -- >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WHEN YOU SEE THAT ON ONE, I RATHER HAVE THOSE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THEM. YOU SEE THEM IN ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE, INSTEAD OF ELIMINATING ONE OF THEM AND HAVING THE SMALL ONE INSTEAD OF HAVING THE LAZY RIVER, I'M SURE THAT HOSE ONES THEY WERE USED MORE FOR BIRTHDAYS THAN JUST THE LAZY RIVER GOING AROUND. >> THERE'S TWO SPLASHES THERE. >> THERE'S A SPLASH AND LIKE A LITTLE BEACH THERE. >> KEEPING IT THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE, AND ELIMINATING THEM ON THE LAZY RIVER. I RATHER HAVE THOSE TWO. WHERE THE RESIDENTS WERE USING MORE FOR THE BIRTHDAYS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF CELEBRATIONS. >> THE EXCEPTION OF THE NUMBER THREE. CAME OUT OF THE DIFFERENT USES FROM THE H R S REQUIREMENT, IN TERMS OF DEPTH. AGE, AND SO IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SEPARATE THE TWO. ON THE OTHER ONE, THE LARGER ONE TO HAVE THE LARGER FUNCTION OF IT. AND LIMITING THE FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE LOOK AT IT. THAT'S WHY WE PLATE THEM UP. AS YOU SEE ON THE HYBRID, IN ONE OF THEM, WE HAVE INCORPORATED THE LAZY RIVER, AND NEXT TO IT THE SLIDES, THE LAZY RIVER PORTION CAN COME OUT -- >> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. >> YEAH, I WANT THE OTHER PORTIONS THERE. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I HAVE SEEN THEM USE FOR BIRTHDAYS, AND CELEBRATIONS, IF WE CAN REMOVE THE LAZY RIVER. >> I'M JUST MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRUCK. WE WOULD STILL NEED THE POOL PORTION FOR THE SLIDES. >> I'M SORRY? >> RIGHT, RIGHT. >> AND SO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF LANE. IN THE LONG DIRECTION. IT IS 8 LANES, IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, WE HAVE 5, 25 YARDS LANE. WHICH IS THE EAST TO WEST DIRECTION. >> OKAY. >> I CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT AREA. >> TO ME AS FAR AS THE LAZY RIVER. THE OPERATIONAL, IF THE NUMBER IS THAT SIGNIFICANT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE AREA. IT SURPRISES ME A LITTLE BIT. I'M NOT SURE IF A LAZY RIVER GETS SO SMALL, IT WILL HAVE A BETTER VALUE. A SPLASH AREA IS BETTER. TO ME MY MEAN CONCERN WAS NOT SO MUCH THE COST BUT AS FAR AS WHY WE STAY WITH THE SPLASH PADS FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON BRING IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE, AND RECOVERING THAT MUCH PARK BECAUSE OF IT. AND THEN THAT CHANGES MY MIND, SO EITHER WAY, IF IT'S A LAZY RIVER OR ANOTHER SPLASH AREA. OR MAYBE MORE FUNCTIONAL. >> ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ISSUE REMOVING IT. >> NOT TODAY? >> WE STILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET ANOTHER DESIGN FOR THIS. >> THEY ARE LOOKING FOR US TO GIVE A GREEN LIGHT TONIGHT. >> BUT THAT -- >> WE'RE USING THE ONES FROM BEFORE. BUT I THINK THAT IF WE GET DIRECTION TO DO THAT, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. THE GOAL IS TO NOT COME BACK. WE'LL COME BACK TO SHOW YOU PROGRESS. BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET DIRECTIONS SO WE CAN SPRINT. >> YES, YES. >> MOVING ON TO THE RECREATION CENTER. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WHEN WE DID THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN, ALL HOE THE ADMIN AREA ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS THERE, THE ROOFTOP CAFE AND THE CORE WAS NOT. YOU CAN SEE THE DELTA BETWEEN THE TWO. AND IN THIS CASE, FOR BOTH THE -- WHAT WE CALL OPTION B AND C, WE WERE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE ADMIN AND ROOF CAFE, THEY GO HAND IN HAND AS WELL AS ONE MEETING ROOM, AND ONE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL -- THERE WAS SOME SAUNA TO THE EMERGENCY GENERATOR, AND THE ONE ITEM THAT WE WANTED TO PRACTICE POSE AS MENU, FROM THE ROOFING CAFE AND THE WHOLE CORE, THAT'S A 9.3 MILLION DOLLAR ADD TO THE 27.8 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. >> WHAT'S A VERTICAL CORE? >> SO IF YOU CAN LOOK ON WHERE THE BOTTOM LEFT WHERE YOU HAVE ORIGINAL A. >> TO INCLUDE THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT CERTAINLY OUT OF THE MEETING ROOM, AND THE SAUNA, AND THE UP SIDE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> HOW MANY ROOMS ARE THERE? >> PERIOD? >> THERE ARE STILL TWO MULTIPURPOSE ROOMS, AND TWO MEETING ROOMS, IN ADDITION TO A SENIOR CENTER ROOM, AND A CHILD ROOM, AND THERE'S STILL THE 70 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONAL PROGRAM. SO -- >> ARE THOSE MEETING ROOMS THE KINDS THAT WOULD DOUBLE SERVICE FOR LIKE I MEAN, LIKE A PARTY. >> EVENT ROOMS? >> THE TWO WHO WERE IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THREE, HAD SOME FLEXIBILITY SOME TERMS OF HOW THEY WOULD BE DIVIDED OFF. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THREE, YOU NOW HAVE TWO SIDE BY SIDE ALONG THE CAN YOU HAVE, AND THEN ALONG THE LAKE ON THE EAST OR RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. >> I WANT TO SEE HOW MUCH SAVING WE WOULD HAVE FROM THE LAZY RIVER TO THE DESIGN BECAUSE WE NEED THE SPACE. >> I DON'T DISAGREE. >> IS IT 2.3? >> WHATEVER WE'RE SAVING FROM THE OTHER ONE. >> THE ADMINISTRATION TO ROOFTOP. THAT BRINGS TO 87 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 20 MILLION, DO WE WANT THE ADDITIONAL MEETING ROOMS -- BUT BRINGING IN THE ADDITIONAL MEETING ROOMS, IT BRINGS IT ALL TO 39 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 9 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE MEETING ROOM. I GUESS MEETING ROOM, AND M P ROOM. MULTIPURPOSE ROOM. AND THEN E G -- EMERGENCY GENERATOR. >> ONE THING THAT THE MANAGER WANTED ME TO POINT OUT WAS THAT WHEN THEY WERE PART OF THAT BUILDING. THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL ROBUST, A BACK UP OF THINGS. TO ALLOW IF THE STAFF WAS THERE TO STAY FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES DURING THE HARD -- DURING HURRICANE EVENTS. WHEN -- >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) (INDISCERNIBLE). >> NO. >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) (INDISCERNIBLE). SO YES, THAT TWO MILLION DOLLAR DIFFERENCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ISN'T JUST THE MEETING ROOMS, IT'S ALSO THE HARDENING WHICH CAN BE A MILLION DOLLARS, I WOULD IMAGINE OF THAT. >> YES, YES. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION, WHAT'S THE PLAN BESIDES THE HARDENING, WAS IT IT THE IDEA -- THE ONLY PURPOSE WAS TO USE THE COURTS FOR YOU KNOW, STAFF WOULD HAVE TO SLEEP THERE AND STAY THERE. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. THAT WITH THE WHOLE BUILDING OR -- >> I BELIEVE THAT THE INTENTION WAS TO HAVE A PLACE TO UM -- HOW'S EMPLOYEES, DURING A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE. >> THE WHOLE BUILDING? >> IT WAS THE WHOLE BUILDING AND HAVING THE EMERGENCY GENERATOR. AND IT WOULD BE FOR THE WORK CREWS TO COME IN AND RESPOND TO THE AFTERMATH OF THE LAW CANE. >> AFTERMATH OR DURING THE HURRICANE? >> TO HAVE THE EMPLOYEES HERE AND NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES AND NOW HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS, AND THE CLEAN UP CREWS TO HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM, TO HAVE THE FAMILY, IF THEY WANT TO AND BE ABLE TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE HURRICANE. >> BUT THE PLAY WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF BASKETBALL COURTS, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE -- >> IT WAS CONSIDERED -- THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD. THE HARDENING OF THE BUILDING WAS. I WAS NOT PART OF IT. BUT WE WERE LOOKING TO RENT A BALLROOM IN A HOTEL TO HOUSE EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILIES IF WE GOT INTO A SITUATION FROM A HURRICANE, CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE, AND WE WANTED OUR EMPLOYEES TO NOT BE WORRIED THEIR FAMILIES AND BE ABLE TO BEING ABLE TO DEAL AFTER THE HURRICANE. THAT WAS THE INITIAL THOUGHT PROCESS OF HAVING THE SECURE BUILDING TO BE ABLE ON SERVE THE CITIES TO DO THE ASSESSMENTS OUT THERE. THAT THOUGHT PROCESS CAME IN BETWEEN NINE ONE AND EIGHT. >> THE THOUGHT PROCESS PRETTY EARLY ON, TO HAVE THE HIGHER RATING OF THE BUILDING BY HAVING A HIGHER RATING AND ESSENTIALLY THERE'S FOUR CATEGORIES IN THE CODE BY GOING TO THE HIGHER RATING, HAVING ADDITIONAL WIND UPLIFTS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET. AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS PUT TOGETHER A QUICK QUESTIONNAIRE TO THE CITY SAYING WHAT WOULD YOU WANT AS FAR AS BACK UP, AND HOW MUCH FUEL CAN BE STORED AND AS FAR AS THE ABILITY FOR THE SHILL ERROR THE GENERATOR TO BE BROUGHT UP, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST? >> I MEAN, A BALLPARK. A WILD GUESS. >> IT GOES FROM 25 TO 32. >> IF YOU GO FROM 27 TO ADD THE 2.3 YOU'RE STILL MISSING TWO MEETING ROOMS, AND AN E G AND A SAUNA, SO -- AND THE HARDENING, SO THE QUESTION IS, I DOUBT THE DIFFERENCES, OF 2 MILLION DOLLARS. SO I DOUBT THAT THE MEETING ROOMS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WILL COST, A COUPLE OF THOUSANDS, THE HARDENING IS A BALLPARK OF A MILLION AND AND A HALF. ROUGHLY? >> HOW MUCH CAN TWO MEETING ROOMS A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM. >> BECAUSE THE HARDENING I THINK THAT'S WITHOUT HAVING THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT'S PROBABLY FAIR. BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE END PRACTICE STRUCTURE. >> THE ONLY CONCERN THERE IS THAT TO ME IT DOESN'T MAKE FINANCIAL FEASIBLE SENSE. HOW OFTEN DOES THE HURRICANE COME THROUGH THAT WE NEED TO HOUSE THE STAFF HERE? WE HAD A HURRICANE ONE WHEN WE FIRST BECAME A CITY. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 9.3 MILLION DOLLARS, 27 PLUS -- AND THAT'S, 218 -- WE GET A SAUNA BACK. AND THE STAFF'S OFFICE. AND SAYING AND TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE ABOUT ADDING THE ADMINISTRATION OFFICE AND THE ROOFTOP. AND FOR ANOTHER TWO MILLION, WE GET THE MEETING AND THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, AND OF THE SIZE, E G AND WE GET A SAUNA AND WE GET A HARDENING. >> CORRECT. >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING. FOR TWO MILLION DOLLARS. AND I THINK FOR MY OPINION. AND SEEING WHERE EVERYTHING ELSE LIES. AND THE TO SEE HOW IT MAKES SENSE. >> AND THE SAVINGS. >> FOR HURRICANES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF SOLUTIONS. WE HAD A LOT OF BUILDINGS ALSO. >> THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. >> WE DO HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS A CATEGORY FIVE ALLEGEDLY -- >> ALLEGEDLY. (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS) (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC). >> THAT'S ACCORDING TO -- THAT'S CATEGORY FIVE BUILDING ALREADY AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE -- THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL TELL YOU IN THE PAST, I'M JUST REMINDED -- I KNOW THAT I WOULD LOVE THAT TO BE CASE. >> I AGREE WITH YOU, SIR. AND I KNOW THAT AS TIME HAS MOVED ON WHEN I WAS MUCH YOUNGER, THE FACT THAT THE EMPLOYEES UM, THE DEDICATION SOMETIMES UM, SOME OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE WERE EVEN -- YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A PENDULUM SWITCH. WHERE WE HAVE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE. AND IT IS DIFFICULT NOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE WE HAVE A HARDENED PLACE OR NOT. THE EMPLOYEES THAT COME IN AND DEDICATE TO BE HERE, IN AN EMERGENCY, THOSE ARE THE EMPLOYEES THAT WILL COME IN. ARE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE EMPLOYEES WILL DO THAT? >> NO. >> AND THE REALITY IS THAT YOU HAVE A CORE. A BUNCH OF EMPLOYEES THAT ONCE THAT HURRICANE HITS, AND THEY NEED TO COME, THEY WILL COME AND THEY WILL BE HERE. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT USUALLY COUNT ON. HAVING A FACILITY TO HOUSE OUR FAMILIES IS NICE, AND IT'S A GREAT THING. THE CITY HAS DONE A LOT TO HELP THEIR FAMILIES IF WE NEED TO HELP THE PEOPLE BOARD UP THEIR HOUSES, I THINK THAT THE EMPLOYEES WILL EACH HELP EACH OTHER. AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIG CASE, AS FAR AS, UM, HAVING THE BUILDING IT'S NICE. IS IT A NECESSITY? AS YOU SEE, I TOOK IT OUT IN HYBRID SEA. THAT WE DIDN'T NEED THE HYBRID OF THE BUILDING. IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES. NOT NECESSARILY NEEDED OVER THERE. BUT IS IT A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT -- THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES THERE? YEAH, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. >> SO WE CAN'T DO THE ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT THE HARDENING. >> THAT'S THE DECK UNDERNEATH THE CAFE. AND THE PARTS WILL LEAVE THE CITY HALL BUILDING AND MOST OF THE PARK STAFF -- THAT'S JUST THE ADMINISTRATION AND IT'S A PRETTY BIG ADMINISTRATION OFFICE. AND THE HARDENING, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE MEETING ROOMS ARE SOMETHING THAT CAN GENERATE THE MONEY FOR US AND I DON'T KNOW IF APPROXIMATE THE COST WILL BE THE ESTIMATE FOR THAT. AND THE E G IS THE GENERATOR THAT WE'LL NEED IF WE NEED CATEGORY FIVE. THAT'S THE SIZE OF E G. SO WE DON'T NEED THAT EITHER. SO THE ONLY THING THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IS THE ROOFTOP CAFE, IT'S NICE AND NOW, YOU HAVE TWO.3 MILLION DOLLARS. AND THE OFFICE UNDERNEATH, SO IT'S BOTH. >> IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. WE'RE GOING TOWARDS SEA OPTION. >> YEAH. >> THE QUESTION IS IF WE ADD THE ADMINISTRATION OFFICE. AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE WANT TO -- >> AND REMOVING THE SMALL LAZY RIVER. WE STILL HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO GO. >> YES. I WANT TO START GUIDING THE PROCESS. (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS) >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE MEETING ROOMS AND THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOMS, HOW VALUABLE ARE THEY? >> I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO GENERATE. A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REVENUE. >> THE EXTRA MULTIPURPOSE WILL BE THE ONE ALL THE WAY ON THE ROUND THING AND ON THE TOP PART OF IT. >> AND THE MEETING ROOM IS PART OF THE CURVE TOWARDS THE -- AND THE MULTIPURPOSE IS THE ONE THAT -- IS THE -- I DON'T HAVE A POINTER. >> AND THE ADDITIONAL SMALL ONE. THAT'S ON NUMBER EIGHT. THERE'S THREE SPACES ON THE RIGHT SIDE. >> THE CURSOR WHERE SHE HAS IT IS THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, AND AT THE VERY TOP, GO BACK TO THE TOP. THAT'S THE MEETING ROOM. >> ALL I SEE ARE TWO THERE. SO WE GO FROM THREE TO TWO UP THERE. AND IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT. NO. YES, WE GO FROM THREE TO TWO. >> SO ONE IS ON TOP THERE. >> NO, I RATHER SEE THEM ALL COMPLETE THERE. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE STRUGGLE A LOT WITH THE OTHER PARKS, TO BE ABLE TO HOST. EVERYBODY WANTS THE ROOFTOP. >> AND IF WE DON'T HARDENED THE BUILDING THEN IT'S BACK TO SAVING THE MONEY, THAT OFFSETS THE WHOLE SITUATION. AND I'M DOING SOME QUICK MATH. >> JUST TO CLARIFY THE MEETING ROOMS SIMILAR TO THE EVENT HALL TYPE STRUCTURE BUT CAN BE SEPARATED BUT OPENED. >> YOU CAN OPEN THEM INTO BIGGER EVENTS AND MEETINGS OR YOU CAN REDUCE THEM. THOSE CAN BE RENTED. THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOMS WILL BE FOCUSED TOWARDS CLASSES AND WOOD FLOORS, AND DANCE CLASS EXERCISE AND THOSE TYPES OF FOCUSED ACTIVITIES WHICH CAN BE RENTED OR NOT. BUT DEFINITELY PROGRAMMED AND BOTH TO GENERATE REVENUE. >> ARE THOSE THE ROOMS THAT ARE ON THE CAN YOU HAVE TURE ON THE TOP. ALL WE GOT RID OF IS THE HARDENING HERE AND THE E G. WITH THE SAUNA. >> AND WE'RE GETTING SOME NUMBERS ON THE MEETING ROOMS AS WELL. >> YOU GUYS ARE MOVING QUICK. I'M IMPRESSED. OKAY. >> TAKING CARE OF THAT ONE.NINE IN THE AMPHITHEATER. >> MOVING ALONG. THE LAST TIME WHEN WE HAD A HURRICANE, EMPLOYEES STAYED AT THE POLICE FACILITY, WHICH ALLEGEDLY IS OR NOT HARDENED ENOUGH. AND I STAYED THERE. BEING. AND WE EVEN HAD A PLACE FOR PETS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT STAYED THERE. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS NECESSARILY -- YOU KNOW, OVERFLOWING PER SE. UM -- AND YOU -- WE WERE AT ALPHA BRAVO FOR THREE DAYS. >> I THINK THAT WE HAD SOME OF OUR DIRECTORS STAY AT THE INTER CONTINENTAL, IN THE FIRST TWO OR THREE DAYS TO GET BACK. BECAUSE USUALLY THE PUBLIC WORKS IS INVOLVED IN THE COLLECTION OF DEBRIS BUT WE USUALLY HAVE A COMPANY THAT DOES THAT. >> YEAH, BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE FEMA -- WE WANTED FEMA, TO GET FEMA REIMBURSAL. TO HAVE THEM ON SITE BEFORE. AND THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH DAMAGE OTHER CITIES AND OTHER COUNTIES STARTED TO JACK UP THE PRICES FOR COLLECTION. BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE WE HAD PLANNED BEFORE THE HURRICANE. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 0 MILLION -- WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT SAUNA NUMBER. >> OKAY ON. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S -- >> IT DOESN'T MATTER, EVEN IF IT'S -- 20 OR 30 DOLLARS. THE LAST COMPONENT WHICH WAS SORT OF EVERYTHING THAT WE DIDN'T TOUCH. WHICH WAS THE SITE ELEMENT. WE REDUCED SIDEWALK AND SIZE ADJUSTMENT. AND WE PUT THE ROUNDABOUTS BACK. AND WE BACKED UP TO A THOUSAND. >> I GOT A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION IF WE CAN GOOD BACK TO THAT. >> YEAH. >> GREAT. THAT PICTURE AGAIN, THERE. FOR THE OPTIONS THERE. >> SO THE UPPER LEFT, THAT MEGA LAZY RIVER THERE. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. >> MEGA LAZY. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. THAT WAS ABOUT 9.9 MILLION, THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES TO IT. >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) (INDISCERNIBLE). >> THEY ARE ABOUT A 58 PERCENT OF COST, BUT THEY HAVE A LARGE RECREATION SIDE. >> AND WE MINIMIZE IT. AND THEY ARE OPEN SEASONALLY AS -- AND IT DEFINITELY DIDN'T GO -- THEY DIDN'T RECOVER. THAT MAKES IT ABOUT 6 OUT OF EVERYTHING. >> THEY ARE ABOUT 58 PERCENT AND (INDISCERNIBLE) WHICH IS ONLY COMPETITION THE NUMBERS THAT THEY GAVE US ARE 9 PERCENT COST RECOVERY. AND IT'S JUST LIKE A GOLF COURSE FOR ANY OF THESE, YOU WENT GET ANYWHERE CLOSE. THE ONLY THING IS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE -- NO CARE ABOUT THE LAZY RIVER OR THE LAZY CANAL, I DON'T CARE WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'RE MAKING THERE BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WHATEVER IT IS THAT WAS PROMISED IN THE BOND AREA TO MAKE THAT RECREATIONAL. >> THE LAZY RIVER WAS IN THE CONCEPT PRESENTED, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO CHECK. >> THE AQUATIC FACILITY. >> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. RYAN HAD MENTIONED THAT HE WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE PRESENTATION BACK THEN AND SAID THAT THERE WAS ADDED REVENUE. THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE AGREED BACK THEN, AND I THINK THAT YOU ALSO REMEMBERED THAT WE NEVER REALLY WANTED THAT WHOLE AREA -- WE ACTUALLY CUT IT DOWN A LOT, WHAT WE PRESENTED WAS BIGGER WITH A BUNCH OF SLIDES. >> HAVING THE RECREATIONAL FEATURES, EXCITES, TO OFFSET SOME OF THE LOSS THAT YOU MAY FIND IN THE COMPETITION. WE CAN CHANGE IT TO AN OPEN BODY OF WATER TO USE TO COME AND HAVE FEATURES. >> WILL HAVE THE SAVINGS BRINGING IT TO THE TABLE AND ELIMINATING IT. >> YEAH. >> IT'S MY TURN. WELCOME. >> I'M JAMES WILLIAM WITH (INDISCERNIBLE). HOW MAY I SERVE YOU? >> WELL, YOU DO EVERYTHING AND NOT CHARGE US ANY EXTRA, THAT WOULD WORK. >> DID WE FINISH THE LAST ONE WITH THE OVERALL? >> THIS ONE AT 51. >> I GOT IT. >> WELL, IF YOU REALLY WANT HIM TO. >> THERE ARE SO MANY NUMBERS ON THAT PASSENGER. >> YES, THERE IS. >> BUT I THINK THAT WITH THIS, WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND UPON THE SOFT COST. AND REALLY THAT BREAKS DOWN TO -- WHAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE ESCALATION CONTENTIOUSLY. ON THE BOTTOM LINES DOWN THERE. THE CONTINGENCY COSTS WENT UP FROM THE PROGRAM BUDGET, WE STARTED WITH CONTINGENCIES WE STARTED ABOUT 8 MILLION AROUND 25 AND 26. THAT'S YOUR MONEY, AND IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT, AND YOU DECIDE YOU WANT ANOTHER SAUNA, THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY WILL COME. AND BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL S D ESTIMATE AT 115 IS AND THE HYBRID SEA WHICH WE'LL LOOK AT TO HOW WE ADJUSTED IT. WE ONLY TALK ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS. PLUS ANY CONTINGENCY AT THAT LEVEL. WE TALK ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TOTAL SOFT COSTS BETWEEN THE S D AND THE HYBRID SEA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO MILLION, ONE.27 MILLION, ALMOST 3 MILLION DOLLARS, BETWEEN THE HYBRID SEA AND THE ORIGINAL S D. THE ONLY HINGE TO ADD TO THAT, IS WHAT DID WE WANT TO ADD FROM THE HIGH BID C, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL 9.3 MILLION FROM THE REC CENTER. SO ANOTHER TWO.DEATH FOR THAT? >> THE MEETING ROOM IS 5 HUNDRED TO THE TWO MEETING ROOMS. SIX HUNDRED, TALKING ABOUT 2.340 FOR THE -- >> SHOULD WE DO IT WITH THE DRAINAGE TO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE? >> IF WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT FOR THE 340 THERE. >> UH-HUH. >> AND THEN, UM, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE -- AND THE POOL, WE'RE LOOKING AT HYBRID C, THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING. ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THE LAZY RIVER TO USE IT TOWARDS SOMETHING ELSE? WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS FOR THAT? OR ELIMINATE IT ALL TOGETHER? >> GET RID OF THE LAZY RIVER, DO WE SAVE THAT MONEY OR DO WE PUT IT IN ADDITIONAL SPLASH AREAS? >> OR -- >> I APOLOGIZE -- GEORGIA, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND EXPLAIN? >> WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL. REALLY GOOD. THERE'S A SLIDE WAS UPDATED THAT WAS NOT REFLECTED SOME HERE, WE NEED TO GET THAT ON THE SCREEN SO THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBERS. >> ON HERE? >> ON HERE. >> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SOFT NUMBERS OR -- >> SO I'M GEORGE (INDISCERNIBLE) MANAGER. THE SOFT COSTS FOR THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOFT COSTS, IT'S NOT 43 MILLION. >> WHAT IS IT THEN? >> 26 MILLION, 496. SO YOU'RE COMPARING THAT DIFFERENCE. >> I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMEWHERE THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TWENTY SOMETHING. OH, GREAT, WE MADE THAT UP? >> SO WHAT I CAN DO IF YOU LIKE, I ASK ASK MADAM CLERK TO GET THAT, AND PUT IT UP. >> CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? TO GO THROUGH THE MAJOR THINGS TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE AT. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE TO LOOK AT. I WOULD LIKE TO DIG INTO THAT. WE CAN START AT ONE POINT FIRST. UNLESS WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. AND IF THE DIFFERENCE IS A LOT HERE -- WE MAY RECORRESPOND THAT. AND TALKING ABOUT THE MINOR DIFFERENCES HERE. >> BEFORE WE GET INTO -- CAN YOU GIVE US A GENERIC EXPLANATION WITH INCLUDING YOUR CORRECTION. >> CAN WE TAKE A BREAK? LET'S PRINT IT OUT AND TAKE A BREAK. >> BEFORE WE GET INTO OTHER THINGS. BUT LET'S TRY TO NARROW IT DOWN TO WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO BECAUSE IF NOT, WE'LL NEVER FINISH THIS. >> WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED TO TALK ABOUT PICKLE BALL >> I'M VERY SIMPLE. SO BASICALLY THE FIRSTLY COLUMNS OF NUMBERS -- THE SOFT COST BASICALLY CARRYING A LOT OF MONEY, BUT ALL OF THE N A'S CARRYING THE MONEY IN THERE. AND SPREAD IT OUT LATER S AND WE SPREAD IT OUT. SO WE SEE THE CONTINGENCY COSTS. AND IT IS MUCH LOWER FOR THE ELEMENT TO BE A BIG DEAL. SO BASICALLY THE SOFT COST ALL OF, 26, 28, 29 MILLION DOLLARS BACK THEN, AND THAT WAS SEPTEMBER 2020 MORE OR LESS, AND THEN IF YOU MOVE LEFT TO RIGHT ACROSS THE PAGE THEY INCREASE FROM 9 TO 51 TO 47 TO 49. AND REALLY THE REASON FOR THAT IS ESCALATION AND CONTINGENCY ARE BOTH THE COST OF WORK. ONE IS AT FOUR AND ONE IS AT TEN PERCENT. SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE ESCALATION TO WHY WE NEED THAT. IS 12 PERCENT THE RIGHT NUMBER? >> WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE THINK THAT IT IS. REALLY THAT HAS TO BE TO RELEASE TO BUY THINGS AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. THE FIRST TWO PHASES, PHASE TWO AND THREE IF YOU REMEMBER THE PHASING MAP, IT'S ALL OF THE BASEBALL FIELDS AND ALL OF THE GRASS AREA. THAT'S NOT WHERE THE ESCALATION IS. THE ESCALATION IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PARK, WHERE THE WRECK AND THE AQUATICS CENTER IS. AND THAT'S THE SECOND PHASE THERE. WE NEED TO GET THERE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. AND WE THINK THAT IT WILL BE GOOD WITH THE 12 PERCENT AND HOPEFULLY, THERE'S SOME SAVINGS THERE TO RETURN. THE OWNER CONTINGENCY IS ALL ON THE -- IT'S ALL JUST A MATTER WHERE YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING LATER, AND YOU WANT TO HARDENED THE BUILDING. AND THAT MONEY IS THERE FOR YOU ALL TO SPEND, BUT I MEAN, IN A NUTSHELL, THAT'S ALL THAT THIS IS SAYING. >> QUESTION: >> YES. >> ON THE I T NOT PART OF THE CONTRACTOR'S SCOPE, ON THE PRESENTATION IS AT 3.48 MILLION. AND ON THIS NEW SLIDE, IS AT, 5.8 MILLION. >> RIGHT. >> IN THE PROGRAM BUDGET WE CARRY 3.2 MILLION, AND THAT WAS JUST FOR I T. WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IN THE PROGRAM BUDGET, THE PROGRAM NEVER CARRIED THE A V -- AND WE TALKED TO THEM DURING THE BREAK, AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIVE TWO. AND WE SAID -- LED'S NOT HAVE ANOTHER BREAK. >> I'LL BE AFRAID. IF YOU KNOW OUR I T DEPARTMENT, EVERY BREAK THAT YOU TAKE GOES UP ABOUT, 2 MILLION DOLLARS. >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) (INDISCERNIBLE). >> WE PUT IT IN TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BASICALLY. THAT'S WHAT IT IS, IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND IT -- YES, OF COURSE, THIS IS ESTIMATE, THIS IS LESS EXPENDITURES, AND ON THIS CASE, SPECIFICALLY. IT CAN BE LESS. >> YES. >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) (INDISCERNIBLE). >> IN MY EXPERIENCE, I T ALWAYS GROWS. >> THAT'S WHERE WE WILL KEEP IT TIGHT. >> -- OKAY. SO -- NO, YEAH, I GOT TWO QUESTIONS, ARCHITECTURE ENGINEERING GOING UP FROM 6.7 TO 9 HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHY? >> BECAUSE -- I'LL TAKE THIS ONE. >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) (INDISCERNIBLE). I'LL ASK HIM ONE NEXT. >> IT'S 76. >> IT'S 893 YEAH. SO THAT INCREASE IS BECAUSE I HAVE AN UPDATE, 11 HUNDRED AND 19 SHEETS IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, I HAVE TO REMOVE STUFF, AND HAVE TO REDUCE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY BECAUSE OF THE REDUCTION AND I HAVE TO RESIGN AND I HAVE A PERMIT, AND THEN I HAVE TO HAVE A FULLY COORDINATED SET A SET OF DOCUMENTS FOR THREE DIFFERENT PHASES AND WE HAVE GONE BACK HERE, AND WE HAVE GONE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS, EXCEPT FOR A LADY RIVER, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT HERE. SO WE'LL START THERE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. SO WE -- ON THE -- LET ME GO BACK OVER HERE. IF WE GO TO -- THIS THING RIGHT HERE. SO WE STARTED OFF WITH THE BASEBALL FIELD, IS THE FIRST ONE TO THE BASEBALL FIELD, ALL WE'RE ADDING IS THE UM -- BECAUSE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL -- IT FASTS OFF OWE THAT -- AND ON THE BOOK. WE HAVE UM -- THE FIRST THING THAT WE HAVE IS THE AMPHITHEATER. AND THERE'S ONE ON THE BACK. THERE'S ONE ON THE FRONT. LET ME GO TO THE ONE THAT HAS THE FOUR SKETCHES. AND WE WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL EXCEPT THAT WE ADDED SPRINKLERS. AND WE ROTATED IT. AND THE DESIGN FOR THE SITE WORK AND EVERYTHING GETS ROTATED. >> AND ROTATE IT. ON TO A STUDY, ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU SAID? >> WE'RE DOING A STUDY. >> OKAY. SO THIS IS ROTATION AND SPRINKLERS, THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING. ROTATION AND SPRINKLERS, AND WITH THAT, COMES SITE WORK DRAINAGE CHANGES. AND THEN, THE NEXT THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS THE UM -- THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE ON THE ROCK CLIMB AREA, WE HAD A LOT OF STUFF TAKEN AWAY. IT'S ACTUALLY REDUCING STUFF TO GET RID OF IT. AND WE HAVE TO RESIGN THAT BY REMOVING IT, AND NOT ADDING IT. SO THERE'S NO SUPPORTS THERE. ENGINEERING STRUCTURES, AND GENERATORS THERE. AND ALL OF THOSE TRAITS HAVE TO BE UPDATED BECAUSE WE HAVE A SMALLER WALKWAY AREA, AND TAKING THE DRAWINGS OUT. >> THAT'S FINE, THE ONE WITH THE GREATEST CHANGES, AND IN THE BASEBALL AND IN THE SCOPE, THERE'S WALKWAYS AND RELOCATION OF THE PAVILIONS. THE ROCKLANDS IS THE ONE WITH THE MOST -- AND WE RELOCATED PAVILIONS, AND ADDING THE HIGH SCHOOL OR NOT? >> YES. >> ADDING THE HIGH SCHOOL, CORRECT. AND THAT'S WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. AND THEN ON THE -- WE'RE GETTING -- WE ALREADY GOT RID OF IT. AND WE HAD IT. AND THE ONES THAT YOU SUBMITTED THE PERMITS HAD THE BIG LAZY RIVER, AND WE GOT RID OF THE WHOLE LAZY RIVER. AND GETTING RID OF IT COMPLETELY. WE'RE NOT IN RECK CENTER YET. WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PRACTICE POOL AND WE GOT RID OF THE GRAND STAND ELEVATORS. AND WE HAVE TO DO SOME WORK THERE. AND THE LAZY RIVER THERE. >> AND THAT ACTUALLY IS WHERE MOST OF OUR WORK IS. AND ALL OF THAT ENGINEERING TO RESIGN THE WHOLE AQUATIC REX SIDE, AND THE CHANGES TO ALL OF THE ENGINEERING AND THE PUMPS AND THE HARD SCAPE, THAT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF THE CATEGORY FIVE AND REINFORCEMENT STUFF. AND TO RESIGN THE WHOLE BUILDING, I GUESS. >> YES, THERE'S M E P AND INSTRUCTIONAL IMPACT. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT ALL OF THOSE CHANGES REPRESENT -- 893. ALL OF THAT TO CHANGE ALL OF THE DRAWINGS, AND PERMIT ALL OF THE DRAWINGS TO THEN SUBMIT ALL OF THE DRAWINGS TO K L FOR ALL OF THE G M P WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND THEN SO -- WHEN WE GO DOWN TO -- THE CONTINGENCY COSTS. THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND, THE 1 PERCENT ESCALATION OVER THE COST OF WORK. THE A E CONTINGENCY IS ONLY THERE IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CHANGES FOR THE CITY TO REQUEST ON (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS) (INDISCERNIBLE) (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC). >> AND THAT'S ON CONTINGENCY TO DO WHATEVER -- >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) (INDISCERNIBLE). >> THAT'S THE 3 MILLION DOLLARS IS WHAT I FIGURED OUT. TO WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE. GOOD. >> BASICALLY, THAT'S WHAT -- UNLESS YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ISSUE THE CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED, IS ON 3 MILLION DOLLARS. TO COME OUT OF THERE. SO THAT'S ON ADDITIONAL THREE MILLION. >> AND THAT'S 9 MILLION LEFT. ASSUMING THAT THE -- ESCALATION IS I'M SORRY. ASSUMING THAT THE ESCALATION IS 12 PERCENT, AND THAT'S 14 MILLION DOLLARS, WE'RE TALKING FROM -- WE'RE TALKING FROM THE -- HYBRID -- IT IS BASED ON SEPTEMBER'S COSTS. SO THE ESTIMATE IS 12 PERCENT AND IF WE'RE OFF, I GUESS IT WILL COME OUT OF THE OWNER CONTINGENCY, SO -- AT THE END OF THE DAY THE REALITY THE WAY THAT I SEE IT, AT THE END OF THE DAY MOST OF THE COST INCREASES IS COMING FROM THE CHANGES AND THE COST OF THE MATERIAL AND LABOR. SO -- THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS I SAW THIS NUMBER IT'S HUGE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CAN'T REDUCE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT WITHOUT GETTING IN VIOLATION OF THE BOND THERE. IT'S ALMOST BORDERLINE. >> FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN A WHERE WE WERE. AND APPROXIMATE WE CONTINUE TO GO THE SAME WAY, WE'RE 20 MILLION DOWN FROM THAT. SO WE'RE REDUCING THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY. >> EVEN IF YOU GO TO THE D S ESTIMATE, WHICH IS THE D S D THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 22 MILLION DOLLARS OVER. BUT 22 MILLION DOLLARS IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE -- IT'S ABOUT OVER 1 PERCENT PROBABLY IN THAT NUMBER. IT'S ABOUT 15. IT'S ABOUT 15 PERCENT OVER. SO WHAT I'M SAYING -- FROM MY PORT OF VIEW THE WAY THAT I SEE IT IS THAT WE GO OVER THE CHANGES THAT WE DECIDED THERE. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SUMMARIZE THOSE UP AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE LIKE, WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. IT'S JUST THE REALITY TO WHAT THE TIMES ARE. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH CAN WE HAVE IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR THIS PARK. >> SO THE DAY BUDGET IS 125 MILLION MORE OR LESS, AND THE PROGRAM BUDGET WAS JUST OVER 123. SO IT'S ABOUT A 41 MILLION -- 40 MILLION, 40 PLUS OVER WITH WHAT WEED HAVE COME OUT OF -- OUR RESERVES TO COVER IT. >> AND THAT THE 12 PERCENT WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT -- EVEN DOING THE CHANGES OF 3 MILLION DOLLARS WE HAVE -- IN TEN PERCENT, WE HAVE 11 MILLION SIX, YOU TALK ABOUT 8 MILLION, AND BEFORE YOU GO ON, THERE'S STILL DEDICATED DOLLARS THAT ARE GOING TO COME FROM SOME OF THE COVID FUNDS THAT ARE COMING. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE FULL 41 FROM RESERVES, AND IT WILL BE A SMALLER NUMBER, SO IF WE WERE TO -- BUT THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT THE ONE WHERE THE MONEY WILL COME FROM. AND MR. MANAGER, CAN YOU UPDATE US TO WHAT THE FUNDING WILL BE? >> SAY IT AGAIN? >> COME ON UP. >> IT IS CONFUSING. ANOTHER BREAK. NO. I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH -- AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE NUMBERS, THE 116 DOESN'T INCLUDE THE MODIFICATIONS. THAT'S 3 MILLION MORE. >> I ESTIMATED ABOUT, 3 MILLION DOLLARS MORE. >> RIGHT. >> I WAS GOING TO CAUTION ABOUT TAKING THAT ON THE OWNER'S CONTINGENCY, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OWNERS WILL DO. >> WE SHOULD PLAN EVERYTHING WITHOUT THE CONTINGENCY AND IF WE TACK INTO ANYTHING ELSE, WE SHOULD DO THAT. BUT IF THE MANAGERS CAN UPDATE US, TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND IN THAT NOTE, IF WE ADDED THE 3 MILLION IT TO THE BOTTOM. AND LEAVE THE OWNER CONTINGENCY TO WHERE WE'RE AT, MORE OR LESS. AND THE DIFFERENCE IS 44 MILLION, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S 41. AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT IS -- 28 PERCENT HAS GONE UP. >> IT'S JUST MORE EXPENSIVE. >> IT'S THE FUNDING SOURCES. >> OKAY. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE BUDGET AND I SAT WITH (INDISCERNIBLE) WHEN MATTY WAS HERE AND CONFIRMED THAT WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY TEN MILLION DOLLARS FROM ARPA FUNDS THAT CAN BE USED. >> OKAY. >> AND THEN OUR PARK IMPACT FEES. THE PARK IMPACT FEES HAS CURRENTLY 3.5 MILLION DOLLARS, TO MOVE TO THE PROJECT WHERE WE CAN LEAVE A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE PARK I