Folsom City Council Regular Meeting

>> thank you. So we're adjourning special meeting and convening the regular meeting for tuesday, OCTOBER 11th. >> council member chalamcherla? >> here. >> kozlowski? >> here. >> rodriguez some. >> here. >> aquino? >> here. >> howell. >> if you'll join me in the pledge of allegiance. >> [Reciting the pledge of allegiance]. >> do we have agenda updates? I know we have additional information for agenda item 12. >> proposed order hans, copy has been provided to you and available on the table in the back. >> okay. Thank you. With that, business from the floor which is opportunity to speak on matters not on the agenda. Right now I have one request to speak. >> first speaker will be erin hisis. Come on down. We'll start the lee-minute timer for when you you get ready. To your left. there you go that. The one. >> okay. Go ahead. >> good evening, folsom city council I'm a carpenter by trade and urge you any projects or developments that come before you that contain hopeful hire language that you support it and any projects that have prevailing language you support it because as a carpenter myself I went ru through the apprenticeship program and very prospered and done well for myself. As well as local hire that, is awesome and amazing. When you land a job close by, you're home, your quality of life goes up. In my case I got home at 4:30 my wife looked and said what are you doing home? I said I have a local job. And I think after 25 years she tee serves time by herself that. Concludes my remarks. Thank you for your time tonight. >> that moves up to scheduled presentations and presentation of the 2022 community service office. >> good evening, we had mother successful community service day. With volunteers and happy faces it was time sorry. A true pleasure to work with such someoned wonderful people. For me, and steering committee we want to thank the council and community to just with part of a quick overview. >> thank you. The dust semi settled and many projects have been completed and we have had 1620 volunteers to deliver 98 projects including identified throughout the city, some that I spoke about and natomassation pond overlook and a number of projects dedicated to the help and senior program that we'll talk about. We served over 486 # volunteer hours that day of providing service to the community which is amazing on its own our project leads getting ready and some did run longer. That is an amazing number. And community food drive yielded 0 tons of feed to the community food bank. 61,000 pounds and that an amazing thing and to make sure people had what they had. Our donation drive was successful and we have had 366 letters mailed out to military percent mel. We have had nine bags of legos collected that will be and roughly about a thousand pairs of and the material and supplies for pet supplies at our shelleders was 30 large boxes of material also happening was our blood drive. 22 pints of blood. We have had six people donate for the first time. Our neighbor helping senior projects, 62 projects and you heard greg ask for more volunteers. We've added two projects that morning to help these residents from just general yard maintenance to fence repair to landscaping and you can he different folks from here to kids, families to scout groups there is a lot of folks that needed and appreciate that had help. This event could be possible with your support, an great staff here at city of folsom we're able to dive into this as long as, as well as our steering committee members dedicated time to put this on and our sponsors that contributed to that and they're a tremendous asset so new sponsors, roddary club of folsom and christ of later day saints and folks at lakeside did an amazing job and had their own volunteer harmy. Silver and bronze sponsors we have a representative from pgo financial and as well as kaiser permanente so I hope we can continue as we move forward. Just an opportunity to serve folsom and make it a great day for everybody and to enjoy that. And with that let me close this out with a recap video that I'll have for you tonight. >> we're working on the safety pond opening so what this project entails is billing a deck. And just creating some mulch along the grass. >> this started as I was walking trails here. There is so much trash and they said why don't you be the site leader coming up in SEPTEMBER? And I'm crowd of our volunteers. We're participating in community service day and helping to find a campus so we've got people picking up trash and now have had a lot of bark move going on so and 250 volunteers just to our campuses alone. >> thank you. Thank you. >> thank you. Thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. Namaste. >> I'll pass over a couple things for you this is a special keychain that have folsom community service day on them. And so with in a that will conclude what I'll have to share with you tonight. If there are questions or comments I'm happy to do so. >> we have neil kelly that takes ownership of it. Good job, neil kelly. >> tom. Thank you. Everyone here this an awesome job and a lot of work. >> thank you to the members of the community that worked on this I'm guessing the number is higher than 1620. >> I'm sure they're working on it for a week but I want to thank the steering committee. I know you spend most of the year planning this event and coordinating everything. That is a lot of effort. >> I wanted to thank staff for your leadership and taking over on this event yesterday and this year. Best one yet. I'm just astounded so thank you, everyone involved. >> if no other comments, proclamation of mayor as NOVEMBER 2022 arts and humanities month. Council member aquino going to present that one. >> okay. This is a proclamation of the mayor of the city of folsom proclaiming OCTOBER, 2022 national arts and humanities month. And we are the chair and director of the wildwood performing arts foundation. Whereas national arts and humanities month has been celebrated nearly 30 years to recognize importance of culture, in the lives of individuals and health of thriving communities, and the folsom city council recognizes that aurts and cultural activities benefit residents and visitors and are a contributor to folsom's high quality of life and city provides an opportunity to enjoy benefits of art and cultural activities through programs and active professional art gallery and arts play a unique role lives of our families, community and country and arts and culture commission works with the community to increase public awareness of, understanding of, and participation in the humanities and arts and folsom providing opportunities to celebrate in performances and we proclaim OCTOBER 2022 as national arts and humanities month and invite residents to and we promised to present with you singing, dancing and I accept this and what are we going to do to bring more of this to our great I'm going to let sonny mitchell talk about a unique event you should look at being part of. Good evening, everybody, I'm the founding director and we're thrilled to collaborate with the city of folsom to present the fifth anniversary of the folsom cash art trail with dinner and celebration, OCTOBER 21st next friday. And we'll have never before een memorabilia, live music and a live auction as well. And we'll are special guests including john carter cash, his cousin lauren carter bennett and i am so littled to be able to have star as lined to make this event happen and to be part of it. And I think the cash art trail so special, and to be able to be part of making something grow and thrive and we are people we end on the 22 nd withined a huge music festival. John carter cash will be playing at that festival and thee these events to to further awareness for this goes to support the cash art trail. Hurrah for arts and culture. >> I want to bring awareness to her expanding this into our schools with poets and pioneers so this foundation is doing so much for us and weary grateful. >> next presentation is update of the capital southeast connector segment d3. >> speaking of singing, dancing and comedy. This evening I have invited brian reid to come give a presentation to you all and provide an update on the capital folsom segment and let everyone know we're having ribbon cutting for segment d3a on wednesday, OCTOBER 26th at 10:00 in the morning and invitations should have gone out or should be going out shortly. >> are we letting rancho public elected officials do all of the talking that day? >> I will be the master of ceremonies and will are playoff music to limit exposure. Good evening, it's my pleasure to show what we've been doing on the southeast connector. The project has been going on several years. I'd like to hair the what the connector is and what has been done to date. Connect year is a 34 mile four lane expressway with a class one bike trail. You'll be able to ride down to elk grove. Currently, the interchange and railroad grade separation and rant line road has been come plated or under construction county section b3 has been completed and we've tied that into our b3a project. This is a photo of the prairie city trail. Scott road added with help of ypa an we're going to be paving on friday, saturday, monday, tuesday. >> how far is that paving going to go? >> it will tie in srva gate four so when they have bigger events they'll be able to utilize that. >> has homeowner association been made aware of when had is going to be made complete? >> the round about there? . >> we'll have the structure had to get to start working on that. This is future oak avenue and developments seems to be going great over there at the moment. This is the bridge over alder creek and we're able to add pedestrian bridge and bike trail. Update for d3b and are an alignment that palable to everybody. And we scale down the project and there will are to be update to that environmental final design and construction funding. I am anticipating having money left over from b3a we can utilize to start the design process and. >> the iing nal functional now. it kind of threw me. >> sorry. >> I haven't been out there in a while that is a super temporary situation. >> we did delay study that was the longest cue. >> it backs up quickly. >> right. I'd be interested to see how much the presence of that changes that there is some this the railroad location. We are to figure out how we're going to cross that one and jpa worked out a situation there can be access from pain road to minimize any smaller connections so I'm sure there will be modifications. >> do we are information about what he will dorado county doing? Is that going to be included in the discussion when that is? >> discussions with staff, they have it moved down many fiscal years from now. And they're willing to work with us and they've done engineering for e1 segment from county line. >> they had to relocate that senior living facility. >> I are know to say. It's comedy portion. >> that is good. >> so just for benefit of the public who MAY be watching so, these two segments are city staff is taking a lead on the project management if you will. But. We're not funding these segments. >> no. >> we're working with jpa it with be funded jpa provided for us. >> this is not coming out of folsom general fund. could you go back to the first or second slide showing those segments, broken up? And with your pointer, there you go. So. D3a is what we're going to do the ribbon cutting or whatever. Right? 3b is the next one and then, mother one is blue, purple, yellow and orange at the other end? >> yes. >> so stuff in the middle? >> this is dependent on measure a passing in order to get that funded? Or? >> not entirely. And not nearly enough to fund the thing and we'll talk about sacog's approval, inclusion and mtp center sections have an impact on what our results will be in the future. So there has been debate while meeting those targets and requires a lot of mitigation to get there. >> it's posh to note that all though there was significant funding from the jpa, we ow some thanks to cal trans that helped to get some of this done. >> right. We have had ten $ million worth of state funding and 15 million worth of federal funding. >> we'll move consent calendar. So request to pull item five and lake to pull item for comment. >> please call roll. >> council member chalamcherla? >> yes. >> kozlowski? >> yes. >> rodriguez? >> yes. >> aquino? >> howell. >> yes. >> item five, requests to speak is benjamin maddox? >> good evening, my name is ben maddox I have applied to landscaping committee and look forward to working with the city of folsom. Thank you. >> thank you. >> items five. >> I said thank you, so much. It's important and through that what about members of lnl can be eyes and ears of city council before getting a call. Right? We have many vacancies. Send them our way. We're nice people. >> thank you, ben. >> please call roll. [Calling roll]. >> I called item seven asking about the reasons and justification for tanks one is undersized and other one is leaking into the secondary containment. Which I will point out for the rest of the geeks out there. There is no contamination and these are above ground and will be moved to the new courtyard when it moves so that the nature of the question. >> I'll move item seven. >> second. >> motion and second. Please call roll. >> council member chaum ka chaum? >> yes. >> kozlowski? >> aquino? >> yes. >> rod dwez? >> yes. >> howell. >> moves us to item 11. Public hearing. Motion. >> sure >> resolution ten # 24 rye duesing annual assessment this the final engineer's report for fiscal year 22, 23 blue ribbon oaks hum two, lnl district. >> good evening, MADAM Mayor and members of council. This resolution is reducing annual assessment in final engineer report for fiscal year for blue ribbon oaks number two landscaping and lighting district. This reduction is made pursuant to original resolution of formation for the district, number 8874 approved in 2011. Resolution stated rate after is hesment was to be reduced in had 11th year and we've cut that resolution before you this evening. There have been no other mod modifications to the report. >> any worth questions? >> how is that discrepancy, how to we find out about it? >> we had a resident come to one of our committee meetings and inquire about -- he'd been in the district. He said I was doing outreach and there are talks of reduction and so that gave us notification. And hence, to make sure the assessment correct. >> okay. And I, under the now, therefore section there is a slight typo. Ravine missing an "e". >> it's probably the second one of mine you've caught thisser yoo, I'll tighten it up. >> any other questions? I'll open public hearing. For anyone that would lake to speak on this issue. Seeing nobody coming forward I'll close public hearing. >> I move apriefal. >> I'll second. >> please call roll. >> chalamcherla? >> yes. >> kozlowski? >> rod bez? >> yes. >> aquino? >> yes. >> howell. >> item 12 under must business. >> item 12 ordinance number 1334 this, an ordinance amending he cans 5.20.7 # a2 and repealing to increase the number of car tables and allow pack line betting. Had the introduction an first reading. >> thank you. Good evening. Council member banks with development. Not the comedian you're aware of. I'm presenting card room ordinance amendment to the last meeting in SEPTEMBER providing with you back ground information and sought feed back an taking direction and action are council. There are two things happening with proposed ordinance modification one to increase number of card room table as louance from 9 to 11 and there is additional language in red. Provided for future increase in the number of card tables and in your packet this evening, you received a letter from the state expressing concern regarding the flexibility of the language and might look like it might be automatic increase in the number of card tables within the city so they're not supportive of the second portion of the language you can he on the screen here in red and staff reached out regarding this concern and applicant agreed to withdraw that part of the ordinance. So second piece was to allow for back line betting to occur. City receive a letter from the state this, is the language as modified so it could leave increase from mine to 11 however we're striking remainder of that language as I mentioned before in SEPTEMBER, we consulted with the police department and fire department, external agencies and code enforcement groups and didn't receive concerns are are groups and staff did not identify significant concerns with this ordinance. And planning commission approval for that conditional use permit is my understanding applicant looking at a site on. >> I learn point road site of the former appleby's res straund and so they would be required to obtain conditional use permit to operate that location. They'd be required to obtain a license which would be issue by the city council. With that and modifications of the language including packet this evening, staff does recommend the city council introduce and conduct first reading of the ordinance. I'm happy to answer questions and applicant behind me taking them as well. >> thank you for clarifying. >> okay. >> motion and second. >> please call roll. >> revised staff report. >> yes. >> staff report. >> thank you. Council member chalamcherla? >> yes. >> kozlowski? >> yes. >> rodriguez? >> yes. >> aquino? >> yes. >> howell? >> yes. >> that moves us to item 13. >> last item this evening is new business item 13 plan mark tree considerations and direction to staff. >> this is where we get the singing and dancing right? >> good evening, MADAM Mayor and members of council. My name amy nunez your city arborist here tonight at your request to bring forward some potential candidates forelandmark trees. Oops. Okay. Hang on. There we go. Okay. So in FEBRUARY this council saw fit to approve first application for plan mark tree status in 23 years we got an application for a very impressive interior live oak this is a large specimen over 100 inches in diameter and at the meeting council directed staff to bring forward candidates forelandmark trees and very candidates for you tonight. From we go over those I think it bears to remind city council and audience what constitutes a plan mark tree. So it is a tree city council decides is exceptionally remarkable. We can agree trees in general bring a variety of benefits, environmental, health wise, increasing property values and give us clean air. Yadda, yadda, yadda but landmark trees are exceptionally spectacular for a variety of reasons. Maybe they provide value or maybe it's just particularly beautiful tree that makes you do a double take. There are perks to having a plan mark tree on the property in addition to having ecological benefits, landmark trees add to character of the beautiful city an our distinctive by nature adage. If have you a landmark tree you can request the city arborist come out and assess your tree and if deciding your tree meez maintenance, the city will provide that maintenance for your tree. And with that, candidate number one. And here on the dias has driven through turned diameter which roughly 11 it qualify as a historic tree, I put the tree around 175 years old. And there are a couple more pictures. Also like this council to note I personally have educated the owner on our the landmark tree program. And they've we have settett to receive an actual application. Candidate number two, which for the sake of the presentation I'm calling dermatology tree. And I'm welcome to a better name if someone from council has a better suggestion. >> why calling it the dermatology tree? >> I'm just about to get into that. This tree is located in front of a dermatology office. On 192 will you ravine road this, tree actually has an interesting story. It's an interior live oak with a trunk diameter of 53 inches so a pretty large possess minute for its species this, is not the first conversation this tree has had regarding landmark tree status. In 2001 when the first tentative parcel net came through the tree was slate for removal but passionate tree advocates put down a landmark tree application to save this tree an council at the time saw fit to direct applicant to redesign their project to save this tree. Applicant did so and so, that application was rescinded. >> this tree was saved as was another tree in front of winco. We made them move the location of the building to save that tree. >> and that tree -- . >> unfortunately that tree died a couple years before the ones at taco loco? >> correct. Correct. So this tree on that same parcel as far as I've been able to ascertain there is no evidence of decay. The tree doing fairly well. So as far as applicable findings go, I argue it has historical value and brewedy ant there are support systems to help thwart some cracks that have started to form. So it's a tree owners have put money down to maintain and manage this tree in perp tuitty. Candidate number three which I'm calling hannah tree because it's located on hannah way. Open to better names this is a blue oak located next to a bentist office with a diameter of 44.5 inches which is a spectacularly sized tree. I pin it around 200 years old. This tree has a unique tri behind it. The tree was required to be preserved by the city arborist at that time and part that have tree preservation plan a metal support system was created to help support a lateral limb on the tree. There so some significant effort has gone into make sure this tree was maintained and managed to next candidates are droves I've bringing forward due to public comment this, is a collection of clusters of he trees along the oak parkway trail composed of root oaks with life oaks. Had had span I have is approximately 50 trees and I am under assumption that the innocent tent behind public comment is to further from detective the trees from utility work and they do provide beauty and shade to the trail. So those on the western side that is will yes creek drive that oak avenue. Here are pictures of the trees along that corridor. >> I would agree there was a beautiful, large he can tree that was removed it was a superior beauty. >> that tree was located west of the -- . >> yes. >> and that was quite a loss. >> fifth candidate I are to talk to is mother rove per public request these two groves which I've divided them into are comprised of blue oaks with interior live this is given the fact they're located on folsom property there is some value with the trees and very not actually walked through this grove so the owner of a un-stan shall tree would present or submit an application to sattus that corroborates findingsry mentioned which is historical value and for three individual trees that I have presented to you today, very educated property owners and managers on our landmark tree program and have received a nodding head but not applications. >> but there is some latitude in the code that aluz city council to initiate process for landmark tree status. With that, there are had considerations that I would like to make this council aware of. First owner needs to give written consent and be notified within 30 days of the hearing for establishment of the tree. Council needs to find his oeric value habitat and species that doesn't apply to ones that I've presented to you this evening. A third consideration is that you can request arborist assess your tree and if the city arborist deems it necessary the city will maintain your tree owe that comes with one waving a fee and also, cost that come with maintaining the tree. There a lot of costs with that >> I want to keep in mind probably have to be doing a to over thauz property is not all folsom prison. i don't know how department of corrections views that. And I think given we, the city does not employ people that will do this is going to be down on the subcontract and. >> interesting. So. Yes. First off we'd are to get permission to even move forward with that. And would probably want to get inventory, $4 to $five per tree cost just inventory those. I imagine the initial permission of owner and what have you would be our first obstacle to begin with. >> so, again. This two groves I'm bringing forward due to public comment not necessarily staff comment. >> I'd love to see those groves bet designated because that would several times in the time that I've been sit hearing we have had corrections and led to correction it will be interesting to hear about conversations with corrections about putting that redirection on themselves. And. >> that brings me to final slide. So. This kind of the conclusion of my presentation and so we are a few options. Does this council move to initiate process of some of he's candidates? Or counsel refer staff continue to work with owners of these trees? To educate and encourage applications. >> questions. With regard to prison groves does the state of california supersede our yours diction over those? And designated them as historic or anything else carry weight with their ability to make modifications to the report? >> I'm going to defer that question. >> it depends on whether I'd like to cooperate with us. >> are they pulled to in any way? >> they're not. >> that is what I thought. Okay. How many landmark trees are you capable of managing and to your regular job? What the upper limit here? There are other trees that people might consider to meet this criteria. >> this recent application was the first one received in 23 years so this ram was quite dusty. >> yes. >> and so we're kind of dusting off the cobb webs and are thine landmark trees and two small groves ing lar trees shouldn't or won't anticipate adding a huge work load. >> groves aren't a designation? >> the code does allow for groves. >> some have been designated. >> yes. Yes. It doesn't detain what management. >> and which trees are landmarked?. >> yes. >> it ambiguous. >> yes. >> so ed kiting is all I can encourage right of way would be a if addition and had the property just because we don't really have jurisdiction over it. And I don't want hem to go ha, ha, take care of all of it and have a work load we can't expense. >> I apologize. The code not require the city to maintain but allows city arborist to maintain infection on the health of the tree and adom dags on maintenance. The I does have a tree fund that can help. But that is a decision. >> even cataloging would be a monumental task. >> that is an important nuance. >> we will, if requested. Not we might if requested. In that defeats the program. >> there is onus on the part of myself. >> yes. So this my been. >> other issue to keep in mind what operate and grove at the prison I've never seen minute touch a tree out there. >> cows neighbor, gnaw is it. I've never seen, there only 11 time I've seen humans out there. MAY are been people monitoring the cattle. >> I saw one at taco loco. Was that an oak tree he? >> I think so. >> is that a tree that had not had maintenance and became sick and toppled over had a lot storm? >> they're branchil giants and oaks operate on a slower timetable than people to and can take a decade work to decades for a tree to show symptoms of stress from a rel prompt jekt and can take them a while to let usso they didn't like what we did to them. . >> got it. >> and very a question about funding. Does the state provide funding to maintain grants? >> grants I'm not sure. >> have you looked? Do we know of grants? I don't know? So anyway, I'm big on educating property owners. >> thank you for the questions from urban forestry loading more and more money because of this for heats and off pal and trees are going to be one of those bringing the global warming. So. I heard I was meeting with one friend out there and she said how much it costing the city? >> it only take a cursory review from myself. And majority are own by private entities so our event last year was senterned around two at this time it hot costing people a lot but talking about pruning it's not uncommon to see 1200 or $1500 >> he didn't say per year she said per tree this case by case basis. >> yes. >> the reason I'm putting fravents right? >> maintenance is not acting as a huge strain whatsoever. >> there are creative thoughts out of our city loco distinctive by nature right? And if they want to go around let's to an watch those historic trees maybe bringing that concept into it is one thing I would like to. >> like a charged tour of the vehicle. >> we don't have to. Let, let, let tourism figure it out. Right? We can partner economically. That is a good one. Go under tree shade and talk. >> they're on private property. >> yeah. 175 years. Wow. That is historic. Right? So how to we work it out? Those ones? That is one thing from taking pictures that matter and going there. I'm in favor of city council initiating some sort of dialogue and doing research around the united states if if there is a historically designated tree is oel out. Anchoraging that. I don't want to get into that business. Just wanted to bring thoughts to support your concept right? Our town is green. We need more. Right? Thank you for bringing this. I didn't know aulgs. Thank you. I think you've educated me. >> so amy, clarifying question. So if we say yes we'd like you to pursue those trees, you contact them and say city council would like to designate this please respond within 0 days if they don't we can not designate it as landmark tree correct? >> correct. >> okay. So they have to give affirmation they want to? Okay. >> so. of course I want to hear from the public but my feeling is that yes I want to move forward with those three. I would ask you us to not dishis groves on the cdcr property and here why. There has been chatter about that property that fronts natomas street is on department of general services surplus list. There has been chatter about developing that with high density housing which I don't think anyone here thinks that is a if idea we're working with wardens and cdcr with their facilities manager to try to get that report off the list. Was city councils come an to an we want to make sure that that land is the most bucolic, in my opinion, should stay that way in perpetuity. If we cannot get that land off of the surplus list, I think of this as a tool by which we add another layer saying don't think we can protect this because these proper detectived trees. Cdcr has to agree. I would add folsom residents fom nated folsom state prison for cultural inventory list, our historical registry for the city. After saying no. They said that historical billing adding that protection. >> I agree with you on the stuff at folsom prison and we need to be aware of the costs. It does provide a level of protection and based on conversations that have taken place over the years with department of corrections, despite the fact general service ises put that property on the list of surplus properties I don't think that anything that cdcr going to agree with? >> no. They don't. >> if this provides more comfort that MAY be must have incentive to go forward with it. >> the warden or wardens able to they're the last ones to weigh in and thankfully wardens including warden hill. Wardens would not. They'd be able to provide input. It's like secretary, who going to have to weigh in. >> and I just twoobt make a comment. How many of you can make then? And think about our passion mitt volunteers you know all of them through friends of parkways and garden club. I do see MR. Gossy sitting here an bruce is not here. So think about that. They will be your helping hand to bring beauty to folsom. Thank you. My other comments? We do have a request to speak. >> good evening. Krista, elaine, good to be back, hi, everybody. >> three minutes. >> oh, my. >> three minutes. >> shut him down. >> board member friends of folsom parkways and use has wi-fi in his deer stand he's in the seeing anything tonight. So I urge a question on behalf of principles and parkways on the grove designation for oak parkway trail. If I MAY, can I go back to one of your slides? There tonight's action direction to staff. You're not approve but pro vying direction to staff. I ask you consider staff looking on the right side that is a park but there is a grove in the park and was rt of the grow at one time so that one example there might be others. Or other trees in part. And to talk about and get to define it so it is clear. There is a phenomenal valley oak tree an that noel is covered in trees. Those are different different and so why k's point and if there ais an opportunity, the empire ranch trails there are some groves that ary different than even folsom prison grove that. I think that is something that should be talked about and whether there inclusion that could be considered to do something with that. About coming and going here I want to stick with that we're talking about the assault on the oak trees of the oak parkway it didn't happen and that was great and the problem is that we don't get notification. And so I don't know if there is a way or format or some refinement to ordinance that says when utility companies where we have to do work, they'd lake to know about it and so for a variety of reasons ordinance does it meet our needs today? We're in a heightened climate of public safety and fire safety out there. This needs to be done. We can't save trees blindly. We have to just could it smartly. >> can you wrap up, robert. >> we'd like to engage and we're volunteering to meet with city manager and amy and new development department and parks and rec to talk through this and provide input. We're here an we'd like to play. >> thank you. >> anyone else that with lake to speak to this issue? >> hemo mayor an city council members. Thanks for aloiing us to speak to this an to others who have helped bring this forward. Simply one to just you thank you for last time, as robert is americasing with pg&e we're hoping these landmark trees would be asking we won't have to revisit every year, when there are private be contractors come in that couldn't know the deals we've worked out with staff and here we are again wasting your time an our time. I would like to thank you and others to make a win for everybody. And I hope we don't are to revisit this every year an waste your time and our time. So thank you, good night. >> thank you. Anymore comments? >> I was just going to suggest, but thank you for comments. Council member aquino. That changed my been about the prison groves. It would probably be worth while to perhaps consider some definition around what a plan mark grove consists of. Because each an every tree is not a plan mark tree. You know? Once we start unpacking this stuff it starts creating questions about how to handle that situation. Right? >> a agree. If we're going to be designating groves we need to determine what constit ents united states landmarks within that grove. We don't want a two inch willow sprout being designated a landmark within the grove. I. >> I agree and that is a good idea. With the comment about doing this designated on city property I don't know we need to. The thing you don't have control over is what happens on private property or my other report that we don't own that. Is really the distinction. We own the property. So. >> correct. >> and pg&e has come back with the new work scope and they're being very cooperative this time around. I'm meeting with with their vegetation supervisor and they seem to be willing to work with us. I'm remaining cautiously optimistic that we can ruf rather than remove. >> about news. >> good. >> thank you. >> to you feel you have sufficient information? >> what is the last tas snk. >> you immediate something from this council right? >> one more time. >> was for direction and from what I gather this council is supportive of initiating landmark tree of three privately owned isolated trees moving toward with city owned grove and reaching out to cdcr about prison grove so this council can expect resolutions in the future on designating trees hopefully with owner consent and I'll keep awe prized. >> one more thing to that talking about pretrooe preservation looking at code and maybe tweaks we immediate to make per robert comments so staff has kind of a fix it list for ordinance. You know? It's now two and a half years old an we've gotten to try it on and stretch jeans on a little bit and found out where we need to do move manies so council can expect staff will be bringing those proposed edits forward in the mere future. >> okay. >> amy have you a great job and you're appreciated. >> can I comment about trees? I received an e-mail from a resident talking about how direction was, we want to you water your trees and preserve them. If you haven't done this, it might be helpful a video campaign to people about in this time of drought the error way to water trees is not just around the trunk but that kind of stuff right? And just how long it needs to be. >> that is a great idea. In had 2008 I bought a lot with 40 trees on it. I didn't do a job of taking care of the trees so several of them died but I wish I had known how to better care for the trees that I lost. >> interesting so aor ago with our partnership with sacramento tree foundation we did a webinar on properly watering during drought. >> could we repost it? >> we can repost it. I mean, it was very general and about an hour long. >> did you pet ma different species? >> we can could a social media campaign. >> not exactly there room for 5ding that information. >> I hi it's important because one of the things that you really not suppose on doing is watering oak trees. >> that such a laded question. So ai wasn't trying put you on the spot on that. Oak trees do get treated differently than other trees. >> they do. However, we're experiencing winters and it doesn't hurt your trees to do a monthly wet soaking. >> see, the -- . >> well, in the e-mail from this resident is talking about costs watering trees per direction of the city. And I was thinking that if you're watering the trees, but in the watering your landscape or lawn there would be a net savings. So that is what I think. >> I need more information. Until recently, landscapes put in a way that tries are not put on a separate irrigation station. So state now requires trees be on their own operate station so if you drive south of 50 you're going to notice houses on the other side of the free have separate irrigation systems so getting into situations where you're wanting to shut off water and reduce, you can still get water for your trees. You can in the replace a 20-year-old tree. >> right. >> let alone #00 year old one. >> deep soaking. >> soaker hose is a best means or drip. You want to water in such a way when you stick a screwdriver in the soil you want the soil to be wet about 12 inches down so. Depending on what your perkolation rate and how much absorption you can take, you MAY have to let it soak, a try looi it again. >> to get through folsom concrete. >> yes. Our wonderful folsom soil is not conducive to deep water perkolation. >> excellent. Thank you. >> thank you, amy. >> so. >> moves to us city manager report. >> thank you, mayor. Friends of the folsom sanctuary hosting a pancake breakfast for dinner from 6:00 to 9:00 P.M. Including pancakes and traditional breakfast fare and proceeds benefit the friends and you can find out more at folsom pancake breakfast.Com. >> it's breakfast for dinner, it's not in the morning. >> yes. 6:00 to 9:00 P.M. And if you want breakfast at actual breakfast time, a week later, you can join the folsom fire department saturday, OCTOBER 22nd and that will be held during traditional breast pack hours. $5 a person, ages two and under are free an parking will be available across the street at walmart. We ask to you join the folsom police and fire departments for public safety trunk or treat event saturday, OCTOBER 29th that will be hell at folsom police department 46 natomas street. What else do I have? Indian festival of dawali, fest value of lights is celebrated with the use of california state marshalls that MAY occur saturday, OCTOBER 22nd to monday, OCTOBER 24th had the city of folsom. And the wild wood performing arts foundation will present an evening with john carter cash from 5:00 to 10:00 P.M. Friday, OCTOBER 21st benefit wildwood performing arts foundation. That is all I have. >> rose saro? >> I want to give out a congratulations to restaurant that celebrated 30 years in business here in folsom. And I had a conversation with nancy before this I had the pleasure of being on a panel on housing the unhoused and it's rate to hear there is a plan in place about how sacramento is going to deal with the unhoused. And there was a speaker that spoke about the realities of mental health and law enforcement. Her husband took his life this 2018. The tollsom home coming parade tomorrow, on sutter street. Or bulldog pans it's a great time to celebrate them. And a popular nonprofit showcase takes place this evening spirit brews takes place an tickets are available do sell out there. Is a historic soap pox derby, kids should sign up asap this, is a fun competition of kids that compete down to reading. And so is a rate time to music lovers. The past months we have had light agendas and are there things in the pipeline maybe the city MAY need direction on we should be looking at? Had is a operate opportunity. There a list of things the I needs direction on this would be a if time to add it to the agenda and that is it. >> yk? >> I echo vice mayor's comments and this is a wonderful monday profit. Congratulations to them. I know future folsom our ceo mentioned it's a two plus billion dollar company. We couldn't want to lose those kinds of businesses like we talk about our great state right? My colleagues are hint ming how to bring more technology firms here. I met with amd and they want to grow. They're giving a helping hand how to bring high paying technology jobs and tomorrow yan to folsom and I was impressed with what they're thinking all of the time. Outside california. That is the awesome one as well. And pine brook village, fun people. Senior living and this csd, thank you for leeing the team. Tom, you MAY be listening. Thank you. It's a lot of work believe me. And picking up the food is a lot of work. thank you. Not but not least. You know this election season. And I believe mine was stolen. Reach out to the county if you see that thing. There are some incidents. Yeah. Please vote, thank you feeb. Good evening, folsom. >> I got a text that it went into the mail an I to the it today and got another text that said you should have received it. >> sarah? >> mike? >> just a couple requests for public work pros jekts come back for us for discussion I understand there is a partial design that MAY or MAY in the be fitting a budget expectation. I was asked by a nice maybe when out walking neighborhoods to have is consider doing cross hark pave many marking at intersection of placer mine and prospect court. They have a speedway there, people are disregarding stop signs and it was suggested that some abby road style crosswalk markings might help people realize there is a reason to come to a stop there and water and sewer expert pack there in the back of the room we'd like to have us reconsider a monday invasive way to replace two teal pipes in the under neither the creek back there. So if we can reconsider I appreciate that. I wanted to thank everybody at the muslim center for lovely morning open house they held two weekends ago. Nice, educate yagsal and terrific faith community and we're lucky they're there. And at sacog we have a thing called youth leadership academy and if you happen to be a high school student now is the time to sign up and is a great opportunity to get experience with transportation planning and zoning planning and just public work pros jekts in general. You can find information on the sacog website. Thank you very much. >> okay. Regional sand meets tomorrow. Nothing exciting going on at rt. Much of the discussion has been about what is going on with measure a. So it's interesting information for people to look at. There is not a lot of detailed description repaving money for the future but that doesn't mean that is necessarily moving forward because there is a lot more things to build and so that is more things for consideration. Congratulations to folks at power house ministries. I'd like to, city manager inform me we have had a folsom employee sue ryan, and unfortunately her daughter passed away today. We'll los the meeting in honor