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of St. Petersburg City Council meeting your elected officials are Rick kriseman district one Robert Brockman district 2 Brandi Gabbert a district 3 and Council chair, and mountain areas. Deborah big spenders. Council vice chair Gina Driscoll district 7 Lisa Wheeler Bowman. And district 8 in Foster. >> Good morning and welcome to the St. Petersburg City Council meeting for Oct. The 7th 2021 and we begin with a roll call please Everett here. On to marry your Rice I think Sanders you just go here real a moment, foster care like one air. Thank you MADAM Clerk go will begin this morning with the invocation followed by the pledge of allegiance and moment of silence giving the indication this morning we're pleased to welcome back Council chambers former City Council member and pastor, Frank Pearman of rock of Jesus MISS Missionary Baptist Church. Well everyone please stand. Morning pastor. Good morning. It's quite an honor to be back in this chamber. I haven't served 2 years ago. And it's a wonderful thing to see those who serve us well in this community. Thank you for your service. I know it's a thanks John for some time some time and you do it, but you do it well and that must be in good order. And the sense of direction in the city and I thank you for doing that. They have in the father we come before you praising your name and thank you for this all. For this is your day. But this is the day the Lord has me will rejoice and be glad in it based on your word. We pretty low to be in this. The meeting time that your spirit will will be here. It will hover over all food. Of us who are here now and that your decisions your wisdom you divine wisdom. Being put into the store during the vigils who serve us well. The City Council members lets the mayor Leicester City Council bless all of us who are here in this chamber and be on this entire City Council or that group and all the staffers let them all. Thank you know that you lead us value spirit. Below the city will go higher through you. We thank you for everything we love you GOD. That is the loving and kind to one another. They let us take on the School of work and decisions made for the city to make it a better city. All who live there in. Yes, it's pretty nice to spread the name of Jesus Christ Amen. >> Please remain standing. As we. The fallen firefighters and police officers that lost their lives during this month. Officer James w Thorton end of watch 10/16/1937. Officer William g Newbury end of watch. Oct. 17th, 1937. Eugene am minor. End of watch Oct. 25th, 1929. Firefighter William Kate Walker and watch Oct. 10th, 1948. For the invocation and the and the opening remarks very very nice. Thank you. Council members we have an agenda before us. Entertain a motion to approve the proved. We have a motion in a second to approve the agenda. The clerk please open machine for voting. Council members please cast your votes. They all council members voted for the clerk please tally announce room. >> MISTER CHAIRMAN motion to approve the agenda passes unanimously. We have a consent agenda before us all entertained a motion to approve the consent agenda. Second we have a motion in second to approve the consent agenda do we have any cards or anybody for the consent agenda cards. But the clerk please open the sheep voting. Council members please cast a vote. Thing all council members voted with the clerk please telling announcement. Motion to approve the consent agenda passes unanimous. Thank you MISTER Clerk, go next open form with the clerk please read the rules for open point. >> If you wish for addressing the Council on subjects other than public hearing according to dish items listed on the agenda. Please sign up with the clerk. 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For the responders to go out and help them out a little more. >> Working professionally the road and without hesitation and the most tense moments for in Petersburg fire rescue task force 3 urban search and rescue team the title special operations teams of the year. In addition to daily fire duties. This team response to natural or catastrophic events in the state of Florida. It takes a lot of training, the dew of these men and women guy There's about 400 hours worth of additional training. And then the ongoing continuing education that they do on a monthly basis is it is just this pardon and on top as the first 400 hours. In JUNE 20 members of their team answered the call to assist the city of Surfside a rescue and later recovery of residents of a 12 story building collapse working under extreme conditions. They help bring closure to the Surfside community. For the victims that we were able to pull out absolutely that closure we brought to their families meant everything to the people family on. St. Petersburg fire rescue functions as a family in task force 3 consistently exemplifies the importance of teamwork. Not only be a team, you know we're a family in when you know what the person next to the left or right is thinking in doing then that helps the team work more efficiently when we are tasked with The Board of County commissioners congratulate cease-fire professional. MADAM Vice chair and City Deputy mayor Tomlin. Members of St. Petersburg fire I want Tag along with the recognition that Pinellas made to this task force I've got a few remarks and then now we're going introduce a chief large and chief asset to a talk a little bit task force number 3. All of our fire service professionals dedicate their lives and careers to public safety. Every day. Today we want to recognize members of Florida task force 3 urban search and rescue team. That he that acted above and beyond the call of duty when they when they were requested by the state to respond to the city of service Surfside with the 12 story building collapse. The 20 member team worked around the clock in 12 hour shifts to assist in the rescue and the recovery of victims. This work was done while in the shadow of a compromise portion of a building that remain standing. The physical and Mel stress was enormous. The very difficult work through summertime, Florida, heat. Thunderstorms and humidity. Humidity was very demanding. At the end of their shift. They say the task force state intense. Near the camp in a camp close to the site. We cannot be more proud of the members of the St. Petersburg members of St. Petersburg fire rescue. Florida task force 3 urban search and rescue team. Bring credit great credit to the members of the Petersburg fire rescue into the city of St. Petersburg and we want to say thank you. Thank you for your service. Thank you for working so hard to step up. Represent the city of St. Petersburg in a very difficult situation. I'll turn it over next to a chief judge in MARCH. Dipping their appreciate the opportunity to be here for this well-deserved recognition for this team. They are phenomenal. You know they volunteer for this and. The video that meant explained it. The training is is nothing short of just really impressive is the word that comes to mind I've gone to a couple times. And it. It takes such a commitment and dedication to train as much as they do and be ready for what we hope will be very infrequent use that's that's kind of the the weird thing about it we train hard hard hard hoping that we never have to use it, we several of us and the staff went down we saw him working. And again just a just Herculean efforts very heroic and you know just awful tragic situation so extremely proud of I do want to mention their part to use our task force are made up of it, ours is made up of 3 departments Hillsborough in Tampa are also part of this team and they were there as well and they they train together they unlock say they do 2 so I do want to as well. Individuals we have here today like I they're there stream the dedicated committed professional. And so very proud of you. You your MAY's be what I was like I said when I see the work you do it I was envious down there I wanted to go back 40 years and of course we didn't have a team that so I want to be able to join up. It's it was great I did want to mention one thing in the video. We turn a corner that he's been promoted since he was down there. You notice he is on one of our caller firefighters video show that he's our ladder tripper. >> All the letters are. Fasten up to the high end of the apparatus, he does a great job with that. There is no extra compensation for haha volunteer so but you best do you have any comments. >> Morning Council. Thank you for having us here today, the only thing I'd like to add a touch of large cover most of it is some of the individuals that are here they are going to be on are also part of our hazardous material team. It was a dual response down there due to the nature of the event 5 of the joined the task force. As has mat experts and so they went on to help monitor as the team worked on the pile. Again my sincere thanks all of you on the amount of work they put on a daily basis to volunteer to be part of one of our 3 specially teams is outstanding and I just one person say thank you very much for all your hard work. >> I'm glad that you pass a mention about the hazmat team. We have lieutenant who was there who's not here. Today that he is so respected for his training and his knowledge that he leads the county hazmat team is lieutenant, which is is just by the nature of structure in the fire service. But he's extremely knowledgeable well respected does a great job I wish you could be here today but he sent his brother. Allen is here. The branding kale lieutenant Randy kale I want to appreciate Randy sending his brother to the bank. We're all one big family. Yes, what. Well Cindy shepherded did some great work and made some certificates and what what I'd like to do is Everyone up I'll hand you a certificate and maybe we can line up in front of the dice here and then when we're done we can we can take a picture. You can captain Steve Santana. Lieutenant they've been. Lieutenant Joe Calderon. Italian name. And Randi kale. Lieutenant Steve Lawrence. Lieutenant Adam Lipper vause. Lieutenant Jason Quinn at. Fire and emt Brandon Berwick. Firefighter and paramedic John Blankley. Our fire. Firefighter emt Jonathan Durban. Firefighter and emt hands holder. Firefighter emt nickel, Howard. Firefighter emt Allen the us. If I can get city City Council stand up and we'll take a picture behind St. Petersburg heroes, thank you again for everything you do to for our city. Right. Thank you for Sir if I could have a and all that all the firefighters and emt's can also stay in the room for just a minute we have some council members that want to have a few remarks. Go first with the council member gap. Thank you chair and I won't take up too much air time because I know you're all busy want to get out of here I just really want to say a thank you CHAIRMAN Mary for recognizing everyone today for bringing everyone forward, sorry we couldn't all be at your with the Board of County commissioners but we're all here today and I think that's very appropriate that we bring everyone here to the chambers just to make sure that we honor you I love the fact that we honored you all individually called you all by name individually I think that's very important. You are incredibly impressive you are honorable and you are the best of us so thank you so much for everything that you do. Thank you chair. Thank you vice chair Driscoll thank you thank you all so much for everything you've done I'm I too am glad that you're called by name. Because as much as we see you working as a team. We know that those teams are made up of individuals with great heart and extreme. And I'm so proud of the work that you did. I while you're down there. I prayed for you. Your colleague Rick Poly kept me into camp in touch with me let me know what was going on. I was just so grateful that you all returns safe. I mean your job every single day is it stressful and and you have to face a lot of challenges and so to voluntarily going to a disaster such as the one. Willingly went to to help. It's so significant. It just really moves me. And getting a little bit emotional when I when I see you especially those of you in the Blue shirts because I remember him. I remember my dad wearing a blue shirt and I was very young. But I just remember that Felicia hurt so every time we see guys I can give him but that it also makes me smile because. My memory of him shines even brighter every time I see you because I know you do and I know you go through. So thank you so much for everything and congratulations I'm so glad to see that you're being recognized properly. Thank you. Councilmember Blackmon thank you chair. As one also thank you all for all do for our community and all the did for the Surfside community stepping up specially. You know as we have the anniversary of 9.11 this year. You know going to ground 0 to try to help other families. Is extraordinary. And deserves commending I also really want to think CHAIRMAN Mary for doing I think it's really important. Use that we're mindful of. The city what it is and as much as I think all of us up you would like to think it does it's not you know the risk that I'm taking between to boost the plexiglass you know voting on these things and clapping for you guys but you guys the ones who do the hard work. We make our city protect our our residents. And those statewide so seriously if it's just always deserving of merit to remember who does the hard work to make our city what it is thank you so much again, thanks CHAIRMAN Mary. For for for doing this because it's important we always remember who does what thank you. Councilmember fix. Sanders. Good morning and again thank you to my nearing for recognizing these distinguished men and women. You know I agree with my where you are do is commendable into know that often times to put yourself in harm's way without a second thought and we thank you for that I to live that life for 8 years. And I'm going to ask you when you leave today and when you get home, you make sure and you think you some love to your wives and your significant others and those that are there supporting you and everything that you do as well because they serve with you. I can attest today. They serve with you so again thank you so much what you do thank you chair. Again for recognizing them and we really do appreciate all that you do. Thank you. I just wanted No I I flew for American Airlines for for 32 years. And on 9.11. There is a a bond formed between people that serve that flu and airlines and firefighters. We've lost 2 airplanes that on that that day. And our country lost. Over 360 firefighters. I think it's almost the size of the Saint Pete fire rescue. That that were lost. American flag lapel and that I wear on on my my suit was given to me. A couple of days after 9.11. And I wear it every day to remember my colleagues at American Airlines that were. Killed on that day. Now we want to remember the service and sacrifice that our first responders. Do every day for us. And you all that we recognize today like I said earlier went above and beyond the call of duty. And we we want to honor you and respect you and thank you. And im glad we're able to do that today. Thank you for what you do. Thank thank you chief large chief that pass it chief the Monte se there. You can see. What we've got to 3 minutes until 9.30 councilmember Foster you ready for with your new business. All And if you give me a second. >> This is a request to add to an upcoming committee of the whole. That scheduled on 1028 21 about possible amendments to the city code relating to the approval process for changes to local historic landmark district and possibly including a request to amend the major guy matrix items that go before the cppcc I do know from staff that they've already been working on this. >> I think the plan was to hold those 2050. But it's impacting neighborhoods now. And so even if we can't come to a resolution at this meeting I felt like it be helpful since we're talking about other preservation things to have that discussion they are and I would move approval. >> We have a motion in second on the floor too prove for g one. Saying no for the request to speak with the clerk please open machine for voting. Council members please cast your vote. Saying all present council members voted with the clerk please tallying announce the vote. Mister chair, the motion to approve is an item g one passes unanimously 1000 I speak Thank thank you. MISTER Clerk. >> It's 9.30 now will go to our public hearings and will go to the one. Well the clerk please read the ordinance. The one proposed ordinance for 88 dash 8. An ordinance in accordance with section one 0, 2, c 3 St. Petersburg city charter authorizing the grant of a public utility easement to Duke energy Florida, a call for aid. A Florida corporation doing business as Duke energy. Within city owned Northeast water reclamation facility, located at 1160 62th Avenue Northeast. St. Petersburg authorizing the mayor or his designee to execute all documents necessary defect to 8 this ordinance and providing an effective date. MISTER Chair we have no courts for this item. >> MISTER Adler's here. The answer any questions that you have never report MISTER Wehner I can if you like. We have a motion a second to approve the ordinance. The saying no request to speak with the clerk please open machine for voting. Council members please cast votes. I think all council members voted for the clerk please tell me not them. Sure the motion to approve the agenda item d one passes unanimously. Thank you MISTER Clerk, thank you MISTER Wendler will go to d 2 where the clerk please read the ordinance. The 2 proposed ordinance 1136 test v an ordinance approving the vacation of a 10 foot north-south Ali off 72th Avenue North. Nobody wants for through line. Well the Dixie Terrence subdivision between 7200 and 70 to 20 4 Street North setting forth conditions for the vacation to become affected and providing an effective date. We have no car to this item. >> Thank you we MISS Her a little bit here. Yes, good morning show big a low. Would you like a presentation on this matter. Council members who want a presentation. Look through I can. We have a motion a second. To approve the ordinance that's before seeing no request to speak for the clerk please open the sheen for voting. Council members please cast your votes. Council members voted with the clerk police telling us about. Motion to approve the agenda item b 2 passes unanimously. Thank thank you. MISTER Clerk thank you. MISTER Taylor. Go next to the 3. The clerk please read the ordinance. The 3 proposed ordinance 1137 dash v an ordinance approving a vacation of a 5 foot-wide it in north-south alley in the block bounded by Grove Street North. An 8 Street North between 4th Avenue North and in the state to 3.75. Setting forth conditions for the vacation to become affected. And providing an effective date. We have no course of the MISTER Chair. >> I think you have a motion a second to approve the ordinance that's before us. Thing no request to speak for the clerk police ownership for voting. Council members please cast your votes. Seeing all council members voted with the clerk please tally announced them. >> Sure the motion to approve the agenda item d 3 passes in. Thank you MISTER Clerk. Go next to reports and bring up the 2 great explorations update good morning. MISTER, but Leicester. Good morning, MISTER Chair members of Council deputy mayor Chris bluster city development today we bring Angeline Hall ceo of great explorations to share. The last year which has been very interesting for all of us their annual results report. >> Good morning. Thank you Council. Deputy mayor for allowing me to speak with you this morning as always we really appreciate the partnership with the city and everything that we are able to accomplish together for our community. In our lease, we promise each year to provide $73,469 worth of in kind services back to our community. And this year, I'm very proud to share that we were able to donate $162,146 back to our community. But first a little is field trips. We promise to donate 25 free field trips to underserved children a lot of our title one schools and very creatively we were able to donate 37. As of Sept. 22th, when I submitted this report as of the end of the year. We were able to donate one more so we actually ended the year with 38 free field trips. Overall our feel trapped field trip impact. I mentioned we were able to be really creative. We did a lot of virtual field trips this year. We did on site at the museum as well as at schools every field trip received interactive educational programs and everybody filled out of satisfaction surveys we could get feedback on what we're providing. We receive 90% a 100% satisfaction. Our camp scholarships we promise to donate 45 and we were able to donate 60 this year. Everybody that has received can scholarships are extremely grateful. For the opportunity, especially during these times. A community outreach we promised to do 40 free community outreach is again during this time we were able to get out there and provide 143. Free field trips we actually ended the year with a 153. And I'm going to talk a little bit about those. Again we're doing satisfaction surveys to hear but participants are saying about our outreach program. A 95% said the activities were fun, 98 said they were educational and 79 participants had not been to great acts within the year. The type of outreach is that we're doing the creative one we're doing as Morris found on wheels. Moore says our mascot. And we have packed a trailer full of interactive activities. We will take it to places drop it off. And it is I'm not staff driven. So participants can play with what they want repack the trailer at the end of the day. We pick it up we sanitize everything we go back out and drop it off again. This has become extremely popular in our community and we're really excited to be able to continue to do that. And then again we do have our steam team reaches that are going out into the community. The school's the libraries and the list goes on. We promised to give away 240 free admissions. Annual memberships family 4 pack. And as of the 22th of SEPTEMBER we gave away 1243 and at the end of the year we had given away 200 more. 1443 passes. Including memberships as well as. We promise to give 60 hours of after hours Museum rentals to partnering nonprofits and we were able to give 62 free rentals. For the year. And this is a snapshot of the partnering this is a small list but these are organizations that are utilizing our facility after hours for for the benefit of clients or their constituents. And this just shows I'm a visual person the blue is what we promise to the city and the red is what we were able to deliver. And again those are your free admissions. And be on the promise we have a lot of things going on that I love to share with you. Are new and exciting thing is we partnered with 10 Tampa Bay and the techno Foundation and Tuesday's were calling him 10 Tuesdays but every Tue. For the year, anyone receiving snap ebt or wic benefits can come and play for the new at the museum for free. And then our exhibits are we did a lot of work in our gallery, especially through covid and we were able to the whole list of exhibits up in front of you. And the most exciting one to share is we already have an exhibit at Saint Pete Clearwater airport. And we just signed a contract for a second. And in return they signed a contract to. Sponsor one of our exhibits on site so our Lego exhibit is now sponsored by Saint Pete Clearwater airport. These are programs that are impacting our community. They are within the community on site as well as virtually. And then this is a snapshot of some of the partners that we continue to work on work with each and every day. And again it's really only a snapshot, but I wanted to give you a feel of who we are able to partner with to make a difference. And our next steps what we're working on is we have really acknowledge that working with the schools, reading levels and literacy levels are starting to be impacted by covid so we are focusing on stream science technology reading engineering art and math and we're really looking at programming to benefit our community and the children and incorporating reading programs in the community as well as on site at the museum. And then we are partnering with Lakeland starting to in Tampa children's Museum to bring Association of children's Museum international conference to the Tampa Bay community in 2024. We just put in an application, I'm hoping that that will our city and the team for Bay Area. And as always I am grateful for this partnership and all the support that we continue to receive. >> Thank you very much for the for the presentation. Read that to you brought Allen with use Thanks to our firefighters to I the didn't know that that was part of the fun. Great explorations has always been such a great asset to our community and the way that to you all help. In so many different ways I was impressed with the the promised versus delivered graphic because you go above and beyond what you need to do. And I also was of course being a pilot I'm good at. Look at everything that's related aviation. But the tell me about what's what's going on at Pa. >> Currently have an exhibit in one of the terminals. It's a Lego exhibit. There's a flight deck. So you can fly there's 3 different simulations and one of them is flying a drone through the museum. Another one is the Tampa Bay area I can't remember the 3rd maybe Saint Pete. I believe and we just signed a contract to do a second exhibit at the airport and I believe it's going in one of the baggage claims. Okay, good. Well that sounds like fun and then the. What's the snap circuits exhibit. Snap circuits are you you build your own circuit. And so the kids can snap together the circuits and then at the end is a fan goes off or a light goes off that they have the snap together the certain circuits in a certain way for the result to happen. It's like Creek, the teaching them electronics, yes, okay. And then the vortex exhibit. The vortex growing up we used to drop coins in these things that the maw that's what the vortex as you drop a coin and it goes like this all the way down. It sounds like fun as a grandparent I I know where. Take my grandkids, one of these days please do. Yeah, what good. Well thank you so much for coming in and giving us the update. Thank you. Next to City Council will move to the 3. Resolution Rick relating to the ioc. Cfo close by. >> No there's no power we are asking. For MARCH about the scheme Mark Waterbury that are Gary Patterson Catherine Preble and that can make Mullen. To be appointed to the investment oversight Committee through SEPTEMBER of 2023. Okay and we have a resolution before us. How about the other members of the ioc what are their Not coming up. Yet we have one person who. Did not did not want to continue. So you'll have another resolution for that. A new member board member appointment. Coming on an upcoming agenda. Okay all right very good. So we have a a resolution before entertain a motion to approve the resolution of can we have a motion a second on the floor where the clerk Lisa machine for voting. The members of the cast votes. Thing all council members voted with the clerk police telling us. >> Sure the motion to approve the agenda item e 3 passes unanimous. Thank you MISTER Clerk. Thank you and good seeing you. Thank you nice to see you on. The council Recess the City Council reconvened the sea as a cra and take up the cra too. The morning. Good morning chair, and council members. My name is Lewis Garcia with housing and community development. Today administration presents to your resolution for the approval of 5 single family residential lots. To be added to the law disposition program and to be awarded to developers for the construction of affordable housing. We have brought prior resolutions before you in the past and we greatly appreciate your approval and commitment today increasing affordable housing that is much needed for low and moderate income households within our community. I would like to assure the success of the program since its inception. Today we have 41 lots that have been approved into the program of which 38 lot have been awarded to developers. 10 have been fully built and closed. Or are in the construction phase with one having received a certificate of occupancy. This weekend another expected very soon. 6 have permits and process. And there remain a lot of execute a lease agreement within the past 6 months or in the process of being executed or been put back into the program. Your approval of the attacks resolution would add significantly to the city working towards a goal of assisting renters to become homeowners. Thank you for your time. Thank you very much. Do we have any cars on the side of the car. Okay but go first to vice chair to school. >> Backup material explains that. 20 of these lots. Have either been completed or have active permits or with permits in process. That means we have 21 lives with no activity at all. Do you have any. You have any information. About that because it it seems a bit odd and these are 20 hole, 20 homes. They in process right now or. And I don't believe so so basically to have been building close we have I 10 that are under permit. We're in the process of getting a permit. And there are lots that were word rather recently so those are just now getting the lease agreements. We had 6 loss that we're all under environmental review that are now completely out that have lease agreements I believe it was MAY of this year. So we have many lots that have you know the list agreements rather recently there in the permit process we're in the the planning of getting the submit okay. Great so of the 21 that don't have that aren't included in this summary. Most of them have some issue or they're in. In the process of having during the planning process going through the buildings and zoning department working out their kinks. But yes, there's only 3 lots really that that haven't had much activity man was withdrawing actually from the last board meeting okay. Got it thank you that I had been care, thank Councilmember fix centers. Thank you Thank you just that. Couple of quick questions the lot disposition program that we have I've had several Housing developers. Meet with me in regards to their finding an entryway into these lots that we have in so as we approve additional lots. My question is how are we utilizing more than the norm and I know that there's a process issue 3 men committee that goes through determining who's awarded these lot. These $10 lot. How are Justine commenting additional affordable housing developers to have access to these lights into a question that we've had a constituent come on a regular basis and ask what do we consider affordable housing when it comes down to these homes build on these these a lot sure. So to answer the first we I meet with the developers they call they have my phone number I'm the 1, one downstairs, so we have a problem list of over a 100 developers have been approved into the program. So I'm always available to go through the program they also reach out to the Kohl's department and submit their applications. So I process all the applications I communicate with the developers to get them on board. Once they're on board there in our database. So we will submit you know spirit Arctic, Leon upcoming lots on the next this position meeting. That are available to them. The second part of the question regarding the is for anyone that that a 120% of the area median income or below that. >> their 120 developers that you have in your database, how many of those developers are actually now working from projects. You MAY have a list of a 100 with the only routinely slate to a 3. Sure I mean it. When we have lots of proof to City Council as we will help you today and the board meeting comes out it is it is advertised so it's up to the developer to decide if they want to submit requests for their for their properties. At the last board meeting we had in AUGUST we had 13 developer submit property requests for 3 lots. >> That's not good eyes, 13 for 3 lot okay. Thank you Sir, I appreciate your answering the questions thank you chair. Welcome. Entertain a motion to approve the resolution that's before us. I can have a motion a second to approve the resolution that's before us will the clerk please open machine for voting. Council members please cast your vote. Council members voted with the clerk please tally announced the bill. Sure the motion to approve it and I see to happen. Thank you thank you. Next to see our a 3. MISTER Demerit good morning. Good morning members of Council. I'm bringing to you What kind of started discussion here about making an update to our cra design review process and I have a Liz Abernathy and Corey militia here to help with some of that. In the course of really a couple years. We've had this process that's outlined and a resolution from 2007. I think for a long time the cra reviews were just kind of move approval move on. Over the last couple of years they seem to of. Draw more interest from citizens neighborhoods and in so doing you know a couple years ago with a so she had with the project. The cra approval for that project was tested in court. And while we prevailed. It did kind of underline this new era of folks taking a closer look at this. And earlier this I believe it was in APRIL. There is a a proposal for a residential. Project and the edge district and there were some concerns both from a process standpoint and. A design standpoint has to. You know whether that project had been fully vetted particularly whether district had then you know I had a seat at table there early on enough in the process as well as weather bomb Avenue and edged district plan in particular we're considered during that so. And I could have. Load up my presentation. I sent that last week. >> It is in our ads and the leads. Yeah it was acknowledged as we're seeing in a check. >> It MAY take another view you want to keep talking I don't have it. They want to you know >> Do we need a few minutes. And checking on my sources now i don't. If you need me to Reese and. >> Started talking here about the current processes and some of those issues. I do have some proposed changes as well as some design review criteria that Corey developed has also been shared with our economic development who ministers are series and some MAY be some next steps here. In your packet exhibit day. This resolution 2007 dash 5. Most noticeable to me is that we have this process loosely outlined in this resolution and. Pretty much everything else we do in terms of land use and zoning reviews. We have clearly delineated procedural requirements and criteria in our code and in. This one is glaringly absent. So I think that there's a lot of reasons why we might think about. Elevating this process and sewer codified process as and it's not just for us I think it's also for the kind of for notice for citizens and neighborhoods interest in these projects of some of the comments in the past and we don't even know what's. What the review is. And there's also no outreach or notice And the current process. So again we've had a couple of instances among others of highlighted the cra design review process and I think that what ultimately we've seen here and identified here is this process is right for updating. And we want to make it look like the other types of reviews that we have an rl the ours. Process side of things the due At a public participation. Process like that's called out in our code now. So basically some kind of notice an outreach to the surrounding neighborhood or the business district Association, a lot of edge. And an adoption of timelines and the all the Ares you see in the. In the resolution. That there are some we would probably start there but we want to make them consistent with other types reviews. It's good for our administration and it's good for. Folks in the community are used to our other processes. And another thing is that. You often see these design reviews which is a legislative item you see them after a site plan or special exception has already been granted at the drc and maybe even already appealed and upheld by the City Council. We feel that this. The legislative process, the less stringent review should occur prior to the more stringent review. The the investment by an applicant's for the legislative review the cra design review would be less than that of for on site plan. So kind of making it stepwise from the less stringent to the more stringent is it a recommendation and there's no recommendation there's no requirement whether encoder resolution for one or the other worker first just kind of happened that way in the past we're suggesting moving the cra to be the first thing. And finally 3 2 times the threshold for what projects come before you all has increased to started at a 150,000 one to 250,000 I think enough early 90's. The 94 and then in 2007 when up to a million dollars. Policy decision of counsel whether you want to just that threshold. Here in 2021. And then also your exhibit b. >> Also requiring activation of ground floor spaces for pedestrians. >> We'll see with are open pedestrian spaces. The Plaza Parkway guidelines been around for a long time. They're in the process of being updated. Some of the streetscaping recommendations and guidelines there and our. A little obsolete and having a little more. Flexibility to choose other streetscape options outside of this Plaza Parkway guidelines as is recommended here. See from a historic standpoint we The sensitivity of the nearby historic resources. Within 200 feet as the same criteria and that's in our site plan review. Some. Guidelines as well. So. And rapping before you have any questions would like to finalize those design review criteria. And then. I thought now you open for discussion on this but we actually have a section in our ld are ce for community redevelopment areas and has basically where we establish each of the cra is, but it's looks like the right spot to maybe codified both the process and the review criteria. Again this up look ability would be to the in town in town the South Saint Pete's er has developed whole different set of review process that. Would likely. Overlap a lot with what we're looking for here anyway. In traditionally this has been applied to the downtown cra is. Again if you want to look at that threshold you talk about that. Because it's an amendment to they are as we bring that to the drc for consistency review with the comp plan and bring it back to you all for adoption at the end of the year. Open up for questions. >> Michael will go first to vice chair thank you and thank you Michael. >> I agree that it's time to make some updates to this and the examples that you gave for. Made it very clear that we do need some changes. It's one of the reasons I I had brought new business side in 2. Look at our. Building codes in design standards for the edge district because of some of the things that we've seen that we've seen come forward, there. So I'm I'm glad that we're talking about this. A few questions. First I wanted to address the increase of the threshold to a million. The backup material. It states that we started off with projects created them 150,000 back in 1982. And with updated in 1996 projects greater than 2. 250,000 so that's where we're at right now. We're at a because it was further updated and increased in the 2007 dash 5 are either. Yeah, so. So we're where do we go. What what are you suggesting that we do. I I don't know that I have a suggestion for so I think that I wanted to highlight the fact that as you know whether it's through inflation or demand for the city itself. And other market factors. As that pride as that threshold has gone up over the years. Consistent with some of those intervals time wise and which is done that I just thought it might be worth another look from this Council right now and if there was any desire to explore a different threshold. Yeah. >> What would be in line with and part of the reason we want to do this is to make it more consistent with others. So what would make is is there a number that would make sense. Considering the projects that have been coming forward. I think it would be worth taking a look at that number. >> The data wood. So what s what I would Corey are Liz if that's the type of. Data I think it seems to me like that would be readily available. Yeah but being able to take I don't know the last x amount of years. Say post. You know post recession. And say maybe we looked at the last 6, 7, years of project costs and see what what does that look like. Yeah, I. I'd like to see that this having like going from 2.52 million is a pretty big job. So my question was like with that next job because I'm and I'm imagining the someone's got a big number in their head. And I want to make sure that we are proceeding very carefully with. With this this change. So that's one thing I'd like to see is maybe a list of projects an. What did that costs are at that. They're associated. So that we can make a good decision and not just pull a number out of the air. You had said that you've suggested a requirement for that Siri design review. Prior to site plan review and the reasons. Well a couple of points you made where that that would be less stringent then site plan review and therefore less expensive you know that early in the process. So what would we see at that point if we're not seeing a site plan are we seeing would we be saying something that would enable us to make yeah I you know we're looking at design as one of the key factors here so you see elevations now for these types And some conceptual plans. And often times you do see a site The site plan is not necessarily. The the thing that you know. >> That's what's necessary to make this review, you're kind of looking at the outside of the building and how it fits and mass scale design wise and not necessarily everything that's happening. On site. And Corey I don't know do you think that sounds about right in terms of what you're looking for when you perform his analysis. The site plan that you MAY see could be more conceptual less detail typically the site plans that are submitted through the development review Commission there routed to our internal departments such as engineering transportation sanitation. So they have to have a little more detail such as parking access. Worse maybe stormwater going to be located where is the loading areas occurring maybe variances associated where we have to do a traffic study. So a little more or money involved that way for those drones that are submitted for drc compared to maybe an architectural conceptual site plan that MAY come before you as part of this year in review. Thought as though my hunches that you'll probably see a lot of site plans anyway as there. As the timeline for going through the city process. One after another okay. >> What I would want is to make sure that the applicant and is aware of what the expectations are so that they don't show up with something less than what would be appropriate for us to consider you know, I mean like you can't be too simple so I think some guidelines. Would be good for. For that developer. I mean it just it benefits them to know what's expected when they come in here for that. Abs absolutely and I think that's another reason why pumping this up to the code and yeah, so if you if you go to paragraph 3 and the resolution which is exhibit a so this. Those bullet points are what's required now. And I think that. Flush that out requirements that might be and the code yeah, or some middle I mean we have you know some middle threshold throughout the code for what's expected to have a complete application. Right okay, yeah, we just wanna make sure that it's fair for both sides that we have enough information and they have and they are bringing the. The correct information and they have a clear idea of what that means to look like okay and The considering the streetscaping outside of the Plaza Parkway guidelines. If that is in process of being revised is that something that. It's a little unclear what this means right now. >> And can someone help me I I don't know the status of that update. I just understand that that's something that's and I think it might be early on in the process about that but all of the for lives on that. Good morning Elizabeth Abernathy director planning and development services. So we are working on the scope of for update to the Plaza Parkway to engage a consultant we have that identified a funding source. So once we get to that next You know at some point will be back to City Council to ask for that appropriation but I would expect that likely in the 1st quarter of next year that will be ready to move that bring that back to Council for that appropriation to Gary. So the goal is probably by you know summer at the latest to kick that effort off because we all know we need to move forward to update those very outdated standards I Ri. So is it enough then that what's in here that the draft document here regarding that. >> Yeah it says open spaces shall be directly linked to the pedestrian system and these links show me the Plaza Parkway guide design guidelines. The new languages and adopted city approved neighborhood or business district master plan or equivalent. So having that in here if those guidelines change then. That doesn't mean that doesn't change this so we're you know it it doesn't get rid of the Plaza Parkway design guidelines. So you know its its place in line is held well. They get updated. In the meantime or concurrently with that you know we also have the option to take a look at these. Establish district plans that you know could could help guide the project, yeah and if I MAY 2 years ago, maybe 2 and a half years ago we did update the language and our land development code. 2 reference Plaza Parkway or other Cleveland standards again outdated right we really aren't applying that anymore and I think that's where the or equivalent languages but as we again engage a consultant and and bring that forward and that's going to be a a process that's going to take a bit of time you know hopefully we would wrap that up by the end of next year at the at the latest, but you know we're going to have outreach meetings we're going to have to caution and workshops are on those standards so they'll be a lot of interested parties and that update In the meantime kind of have a place holder to allow. Some flexibility for staff and in working with the districts and their plans to determine what's appropriate for that Street. The segment our location, okay great open spaces. Increasingly important as we become more dense so I want to make sure that we're. Recognizing that and I look forward to hearing an update as you move forward in that process. All right. Thank you that's all i have thank you chair. Thank you. Michael in your presentation you talked. >> No no outreach and no notice. I don't see any. It it I don't see any of that referenced in the in appendix b. Exhibit b is designed to be more of the substantive review criteria. What staff is going to look at once they receive a sub middle the severe what our redevelopment plans are also looking for so they're going to be light if anything if anything on process. I will say the 3rd bullet point down on the general design parameters of the first page of exhibit b. Does speak to and outreach to existing business associations. Prior to being heard by the cra I would intend on having a more much more detailed kind of process that. Mears what we do elsewhere in the all the ours. So we're going to we're talking timelines public participation et cetera, the form of notice. So it's it's more consistent with what we do elsewhere in the code. And if I MAY I know you like the particulars there we late 39 under public participation section of the code a notice of intent to file requirement. So that 10 days before an application comes in the applicant has to notice the association and any associations within 300 feet of the application. So that those associations are getting some notice a little bit earlier in the I think what we had talked about was duplicating that language and or the cra section of the code. So that that notice of intent to file would would a kick in before an applicant submitted the application. >> So on both those that both the outreach and that and the notice would be consistent with. Like across the board. Whether it's a cra are. >> Yeah I think we had discussed there I don't think we got to the point of discussing newspaper publication and sign posting and those type of. That that are required when it goes to a public hearing, but I think definitely the notice of intent to file. So that the associations would have the opportunity to request. A meeting or presentation by that applicant before came before City Council. I guess the question that's that's kind I think I had was that was given that its downtown. The interaction with the relevant. District or business Association. Is is really what was being asked for and some of these prior projects coming to Council. Then if the project is going to trigger under. Normal development review For bonuses are variances if it's going to trigger the formal public hearing process then that would occur as part of that process so that's where you've got notice to surrounding property owners as well as the posting and potential newspaper publication. Okay. Ok thank you. >> The other item that you mentioned in the presentation and it's. On page 3 of. I guess this appendix b. Proximity 2 historic. Resources I think. That tower kind of comes to mind. And I I I want to kind of see we're staff it's going when it when it comes to. When it comes to this this item because in my mind of basic comes to mind another thing that comes to my mind is the only place. So you have you know historic hotel. But then you have newer condos that are right next door. They seem to work well together so where were we going and what are you. What what are we. No if I But what are we thinking about here. This is a criteria. That's already in the site plan review criteria, ok so it's really mirroring that because if we're going to bring it to the cra review first we want to make sure that they're addressing it as part of the cra and not waiting told the site plan review process so you can I'm here. Staff's feedback on that as well as the applicant's feedback on that as part of the cre process that. I think that's the that's the intent here right now that is the incident, you know kind of how the cra design review has emerged as this process has emerged as a kind of a more hot. So as this particular criteria on a bus kind of. Late and the code and unused, but it's popped up in a variety of different reviews the over the last several years. So getting out in front of that. We think is going to be advantageous for an applicant to start answering those questions and addressing it at the front end. >> The staff feedback on that issue as part of the cra process rather than just a site plan review our bonus process. >> My my last question you wanted to have this discussion today. Are you looking to take it too. I mean the whole meeting some other committee. But what sort of guidance are you looking. City Council. Well I think that having this discussion today wanted to kind of. Get an idea for or we're Council feels about this and if you I want us to go ahead and draft an ordinance. Do that if you want us to come back through to another committee. Yeah that's up to you all we would also be comfortable with taking the feedback. We got today drafting an ordinance and starting at through our ldr amendment process. >> In entertain a any dots from colleagues on on City Council. Let me just before turn over the floor though lives when is the Can you remind me when the committee, the whole meeting is when it comes to. Well DR. >> That is in FEBRUARY of we were coming back at the end of this month on historic issues but the cow that will relate to our 2050 comp plan and all the r package is in FEBRUARY. With this conversation. Ba. Ship should be part of that comey the whole meeting. I mean it could but I feel like this is such more precise a sink item that we can just can't handle it I don't I don't think that the. Level of really that you know it's it's the cra section of 16 adding the notice of intent to file and these design requirements, but if if you feel like we need more feedback or discussion on the design requirements or the notice provisions. I would suggest a a committee I think we can handle the committee level rather than as well. Honestly, the 2050. It's going to be talking about a lot of big items. And so much we're going have a 2 day cow. I don't know so I'm and I'm I'm not looking in doing that that I was just looking for some I I think this unlike what you heard here from the a lot will cut last couple years. I don't think we should roll that if the package I think we can just handle it. Separately because it's really a very procedure all. The type of of change as opposed to you know a major policy change okay. Ok is the way I as a way I kind of look at this ok thank thank you for framing framing that up for me. Now let's go next to a church or a school. Thank you. I would be fine with. Bring in ordinance back here at the only big piece that's really missing is that threshold number and so if you can do there. The research looked back, you know 5 to 7 years at projects and come up with a number that you think makes sense that you can propose to us as part of that then. I'm sure you'll come up with something that makes sense. So I'm fine with without bringing back. And there will be 2 pieces right because a chapter the are pieces that procedural peace the design and updating the resolution is that really a separate item right. Michael I mean that we want to carry them together but if if the design needed more discussion we could still go ahead and get the notice of intent to file and into the code and get that done this year. That they could be. >> They could be separated and in terms of the due process side of things that's the one I'm definitely more eager to get codified I don't like squishy due process requirements I like to write makes me comfortable. Yeah, yeah, so I think the decision should cra review happened before site plan review and the notice of intent to file that those would be the chapter 16 for sure, yeah, I and. These these changes are needed and I don't want to put it off any longer than it needs to so. But do we need is there a motion nothing at this time or do. Is this good like understanding what we're looking for I have my direction, okay and. I'm happy to get going on. The procedural aspects and the update to the design review criteria, and we'll have something for you as early as NOVEMBER probably DECEMBER. Great and I think as in any legislative item we're happy to do one on ones to walk walking Questions you might have so you know if we get some straight through underline language out. Early offer an opportunity for questions I think maybe week maybe we can get it done this year so yeah I feel that I feel good about about where it's going. Do we need a motion today know councilmember just guiding you certainly are always free to make the motion but the point of today was really just to get some Council feedback to help guide the drafting process. If if comfortable that you provided that feedback. We feel like we've heard what what we needed to take continue the process. I don't need any formal motion to that. Okay terrific, thank you very good. Thank you. Seeing no further a request to speak on on this City Council will adjourns the cra and reconvene City Council will take up the one. You know entertain a motion to approve item e one move approval. And we have a motion a second to approve item e one. We have any cards on this item. The clerk please open the sheen from voting. Council members please cast your vote. Thing all council members voted with the clerk please tally announce the vote. The motion to approve the agenda item e one passes unanimously. Thank you MISTER Clerk will go to f one. F one proposed ordinance one 30 jail, an ordinance of the city of St. Petersburg Florida designating the Polish American society clubhouse located at 1343 Beach drive Southeast as a local historic landmark and then the property to the St. Petersburg register of Historic Places pursuant to section 16 port 30.0 70 city code and providing an effective date the public hearing for this item is Oct. 21th and we have no cars MISTER Chair. Thank thank you very much. First reading on the ordinance before us. We have a motion a second car. All right. We have a motion a second on the floor to approve first reading of the ordinance first. >> MISTER Chair just just from a procedural standpoint, this is a first reading said the members of the public can speak because this quasi judicial Council can't have any discussion about that that's what the clerk was conferring with me about it. And does the speaker need to be sworn in no okay all right very Please call for speaker. >> Hi thank you very My name is Victoria shine horn, I'm a St. Petersburg resident. I'm also a public policy and administration at St. Petersburg college. This is part of a project for professor case. Class I'm sorry, I'm very nervous. I'm here today to speak. In support of making this a stark a building as well as putting it on the registry for a historical. For I actually grew up. I'm part Cillian and I'm part Polish American and. This is important to me because I grew up going to the Ita