Special Committee on Drowning Prevention

Starr. >> All right, 30 30, we'll go ahead and get started. Let staff introductions I left or right. >> Joiner. He's administration. Steven Levy Council research. >> And in that Dallas Office of General Counsel Heather Beaver County Auditor's Office. Good afternoon to everyone. Want to climb Murray District 9. >> Get out the Everyone COUNCILMAN Reggie Gaffney joining to straight. My gay district. 2. Steve Long public works. Some also. I want to thank everyone for coming out to this special committee on drowning prevention the last month. That, too, is it's been a critical time in Jacksonville. As you guys know, it's man, 2 deaths and one might. But going over the last 3 or 4 years the deaths. It dates back to over So I think now is a critical, critical time to address this issue. So I kind first I want to knowledge thanked President allowing this to do it, especially community. You know, he understand points of this committee understand needs and what need to be done. Kind of want bring us up to speed how we got here. As everyone all the 5th Sans Brow He drowned in my district at that time. My office we reached out to public works. We reached out to the mayor's administration. We reached out to development of services. We do. We discuss everything we needed to discuss and we ultimately this I don't have a notice meeting AUGUST, the 25th and that I was a notice meeting AUGUST, the 24th, but the real fast, the day before I have yet to verify name for the The was also in my district that the real was also all tested at that time. We had a notice me all this the tone feel what we had and where from. I I didn't end individuals to show up. We had Everyone to come up from the health department. Different hospitals. Pretty much everyone subject matter experts to come out to speak about this. What we concluded was that I won 30 minutes, wasn't enough time AUGUST. The 25th with kind of bring us to the point why we're here today. On a special committee try venture. So, you know, we reached out to PRESIDENT Why we saw the PRESIDENT How he did charge. With 6 charges. And I want to I want to read off the charges. They task. That's a number one. He would like us to review. Emergency response and data. Number 2, he would like us to review prevention, public education and awareness. And then 3 youve the low man special needs water safety. Number for public presidential retention stormwater facilities. Safety number 5, key community partnerships, enter agencies, Saints best practices, Legislative authority and recommendations. So over the course over the 6 weeks or so, we'll be discussing all topics. But today, what I would like to we need identify facts. You know what I mean about facts. I think we need to identify how many how many deaths we have had over the last or if it is that they want identify the But before even going farther, I want I'm very thankful for COUNCILMAN Gay COUNCILMAN, vice-PRESIDENT COUNCILWOMAN mayor, if a sitting on a special committee and I would love to hear from you guys in terms of us. But Haitian the design outcome. Going counseling to first. Thank you, MR. Again, 6 I was excited, but I'm hopeful and optimistic that weekend find solutions and preventative measures. >> That we help our community for awareness and protection of the year of the children and a loved one. So there's there's. >> There's that hope that I have in this. And I feel as we go through the charges that the council PRESIDENT Has put before us, we'll be able to achieve that to wear. You know, our community will embrace it as well. So appreciate being on the committee with you and look forward to support new it together a little bit. Thank you. >> cannot thank you chair and thank you to everyone who's here today. My expectation is that we are able to draft. And past legislation. >> That will help our. >> Construction community developers understand the importance of how we can create say for retention and detention. Ponds. The hope is that we'll be able to educate. Parents. Apartment managing companies on the importance of knowing whether or not you have the. Child who has autism in your development. What precautions need to be taken in order to keep that Joe safe. My additional additional expectation is that we will have little to no pushback in regards to this issue because this is a really going to save lives. And that's ultimately our goal. We know that everything has a dollar figure in regards to if we're looking at fencing and what type of Mitigation measures you want to take. Ultimately there's no price on a life. And so we should be willing to do what is reasonably necessary to be able to save the lives. I'm not just artistic children, all children. >> So thank you guys for both today. And it's a point that you mention I want to also point out, think last week I just found out about it and appreciate everyone have. I'm not sure everyone heard about it, but we also had a pass another a deal, gentlemen. He died in a retention pond. I think this happened back in MARCH. I'm not sure what led to happened. I'm not sure if that knows what autism, but I think is the recognized that we just not talking about kids. What we're talking about, elderly as well. You know, so I think, you even though this kinda originated from autism, kids, you know, going in as water. But this is like you said, we'd be talking about elderly teens, kids as well. So I guess it brains me and to I will. I guess the first part of the agenda. Well, in terms of the parameters, can we pass legislation? And, you know, I know we discussed this in a notice can we And that's a lot of been a lot of conversation of an h bill and this I guess this conversation, this question, Ogc about h Bill White is been a lot of dialogue. A lot of conversation can council and for I am polls some type I guess, restrictions around these ponds. >> To the chair and through the chair to the committee. The answer to that question depends on what that pond is. Who knows the pond? Where's the pond? Although that is it's effects of Senate Bill. 180, are going to kind of. Be in the atmosphere while you're talking about, you gather your facts where these ponds, who was these ponds, which are the higher risk ponds and then turning to now, what can we do? That's when the application of Senate Bill 180 would be the right and right conversation to have and be happy to do it. Then. >> appreciate I guess the permit couple. How many pies do we have here in Jacksonville? I mean, I don't love. >> If that question, if legislative services, our research department many privately owned we in the public on pause. We have a maybe a public works. You know, do we have up on inventory? Because I think that's important. That obviously we know we can do something every pond, but I think it's important a full legal father of 4 that we identify upon us. You know, I heard the last a couple of weeks ago that these ponds was on private. You know, so I'm not sure this committee we want to address public properties that we want address private property so that we have like up on inventory and to pause. We have Jacksonville. >> We do as far as for publicly own ponds by the city of Jacksonville. We have the exact number. I don't have that with me today, but it's in the hundreds as far as for private ponds. I do not have a number for you, but it's going to be thousands and thousands Thousands and thousands of bonds. >> COUNCILWOMAN Mary recognized. >> Thank you to the chair to MR. Long. So when we say public. >> how we defining that? You know, like how we define public is that along the state roadways is that referring to housing? That owned by the city. How are we defining public? >> When I say public owned by the city, I only mean City of Jacksonville on ponds. So that would be ponds on city roads, ponds city of Jacksonville parks. In addition to us other public ponds that we have no jurisdiction over would be things like a housing authority if they had complex as a pond and we don't have any jurisdiction over. It was Department of Transportation Pond. This is a school board pond, that sort of things. And there's other public ponds that the Port Authority, airport authority. So to our aviation authority, it whatever it is, j a and set. So there are other public. But then when we say private private is anything that is like a subdivision, pond or even a a private piece of property might be industrial. It might be commercial. You go out to a shopping center and there's a pond somewhere at the shopping center. You might be behind it. We don't see it. But that would examples of private ponds. Thank you. Chair. >> Thank you for Muslim also. We have thousands of private pass. Obviously we need to get at is that number? Because, you know, I'm not just covid all in private, but obviously the last 2 deaths was on private properties. And I think as a committee, we need to know I'm not sure how we can get that research, but we need to identify the pause. That's was I think we need to identify dump on us. That's by playgrounds. They would need identified upon us. That's by schools. You know, and I'm not sure of those ponds. All public property private part about think before we could even move forward. I think we need identify how response and the low response? Because, like I say, I mean, if it's over 1500 pies. We're not going to do everything for every pond, but what we can do as a committee. I think what we need identify and just what we could do now, then a fight, a high response potentially put some type of arias a safeguards in They stay even our research department that something that you that we can get you 9 times number of private ponds. Here in the city of Jacksonville. >> I mean, I could do the best I can how work on and see for the next meeting and see what I can find. >> But while you have can you speak? You know, I know last meeting, it was stated that we had its it safe built over the last 5, years to my attention. It's been more than safe deaths. Can you speak to this? >> As far as deaths related to children on the spectrum. I found 11 so far since 2021. >> So yeah, thank you for bringing that to the committee attention. So I'm the last man notice me. We share that it was safe. So it's 11 and that's just kids, you know. That's I know we got Department Health there and I'm not sure they have the same as that data. Come up with a place. Name and address, please. >> Good afternoon. Chief under Duval County mers, Division. So but today's go, Fire chief golden tasked with a deep dive into some numbers. And Ivan and I can give you after this meeting. I know you talk pawns, but for the past 2 years, I just went 2 years. We're looking about 86 incidents. I know you folks pawns enjoy higher number are residential improv polls. I can give you a better breakdown. I went down to age groups seasonal trends. All those things are important. I have an executive briefed. I can give you after this. Really give you really a snapshot what's going on. What I would recommend through the chair is if we put a working group together, we can present some findings for you so we can do the work for you presented to you before month, next meeting. So you can have a kind of some recommendations. What we of. Reveal. I appreciate But I have a lot of fact. I mean, the public take the 20 minute to talk about it. I'd rather hand it to you and to the committee and that you guys look at it. But it's pretty profound analysis that we found Thank you for that. >> Having to want to hear from the Saint Johns water management because I think the against the part of many of these private ponds at the go to Saint John's, what it meant district, correct. I a long right. >> Yes, sir, that they weren't actually in water management district permit and or a permit from dep p. But then in addition that, they also get a permit from the city of Jacksonville through our development Services division. >> We have lot of help from the offense. Okay. If you come up, please. Thank you so much and why you coming up. I guess my question is, well, we need to know. I mean, in private ponds, we have here in Jacksonville and I think we we can start from now. What I would like to do is I benefit identified a high response in the lower spots. You might say what is our response? I think my definition of how response pause. Within a mile letting them out, maybe like 300 feet from a school, 200 feet from the side wall, 200 feet from a playground. A thing as this committee. This is something that we can address now. These high responses. Obviously we can do that in about 1500 pot that we got. So but if you could speak to, I guess I'm on the private side having to pause we have and what restrictions is in place right now. >> and that 7, 7, 7, 5, been as way. Jacksonville, Florida, I'm gonna coordinator. I think your staff is kind of cover the numbers and the permits that matchup. But as far as numbers, I would have to go back and chat with leadership. I know we have a meeting with you next week. So I'll make point of discussion at that meeting. >> Yeah. Don't think you for that if you can. So what we're looking for, at least what I'm looking for, if you could bring back to, I guess Elisa ballpark figure how many pies we got and not sure all And you also bring back thing on the suspect. These ponds and potentially identify the ponds as low rates. High res. You know, I think that'll be good for could mean in terms of moving forward, you know, and also to the community and everyone else who out there, you know, if you have any other ponds that you feel like this calls the rent to maybe a threat to the community. Let my office know because right now council PRESIDENT Say that we surrounded by water, you the laws that we probably have an 11, 1500 ponds and Jessica, obviously we can do that in about 1505. But what we can do his address to pause this causing the greatest race. And that's what we don't know. What pasok causing the greatest risk >> thank you, MR. Chair Chair, MR. What measures does Saint Johns, Water management already implemented into the on construction and design. In your process. >> I'll take that question. And then I'll get answered by staff and will have a appropriate response at a later meeting. >> It's the kind of questions we're going to be looking to try to get a baseline >> of. >> What? What is already implemented is it are overlooking it isn't being enforced kind the like I said, are upset or baseline and try to start working for they're from. If you all of that, if you all have identified hire is low risk as far geographic area knows the 41 is the slow requirement that doesn't require offense anything stupid. And that does require protective fence around So I think that information would be helpful moving forward and trying to analyze is like. >> Thank you. Good afternoon to you. So I have had an opportunity to be the Saint Johns River Management and use the term Administrative code. And I was comparing it with the South Florida. What a management coat. One thing that I noticed that they do have they do have some language in regards to safety. But for us, Saint John's. We only talk about safety in terms of s# # . The s# # of the pond. Has there ever been any consideration as to and let me just back up a little bit. So when we talk about s# # , so this the idea that I understood from eating is that the idea is that if someone being an adult, what child inches, the pond. They won't necessarily be able to because there isn't necessarily a great deal of water in the pond because ideas that it to attention percolate if his detention, it seems like it's pushed to some other pushed out. The s# # aspect. It supposed to be a safety aspect. But to me it it only. It doesn't mitigate drowning. It's just a matter of the idea that if you don't have too much to too little water in the pond and you're looking at not creating the nutrients with upon becomes a like an algae bloom. That type of thing. So has the Saint Johns River Management. Have you all look to some actual safety as space to add to your? To your coat. >> I'll take all those concerns aspect to our leadership and will be able to bring those and much better detail to answer your concerns. We appreciate the partnership. >> Okay. Yes, absolutely. I don't death of a single adversarial. I just that's just me. But the idea is to once again and we want these pot, we need them because they help to keep our river safe. Other water bodies safe. But we don't want them to continue to be a. A detriment to the community. And that their lives being lost. And we did once again, we mention students but children with autism. I'm so accustomed seeing students, children with autism. But we're also looking at adults. And we also looking at unfortunately, I know, you know, about Chloe's lot right. Chloe's livelihood of Chloe's law. I've heard of it. Okay. So close lot has to do with the young lady who was driving along State Road and her vehicle. I don't know all that. The can't recall the details right now vehicle went off the road to into a pond and she drowned. There was there were no barriers to prevent her vehicle from going into the pond. So state law was created and it was called close law. Because I'm sorry and out of that law came the fact that if a water body was with a within a certain. But each or distance of a state road than there has to be a fence. Those who had ponds and they who met that criteria. They had a 10 year span to put venting of some kind of barriers so that to prevent that from happening? Well, I don't know. But you recall some years ago there was there were looking for football plan. I think it was an nfl football player and his mother kept insisting that. >> He easy. He's he's in the pond, his cards and upon well at the dso checked once and then they take again and then and this band of some time they did find him in his car in the pond. And this with I don't. I'm sorry. It was out on the most activity that you're like. Apologize for that. >> But the fact is it is not just children. >> It could be anybody. M and if think about it, you can. It doesn't have to be a large amount of water. It could be a small amount of water that you down if you're unable to in a certain position, if you're unable to get free, it doesn't take much to grant. And so I think we need to start looking at 2 Johns River management codes and comparing them with some of the other water management codes throughout throughout the state to see how we can improve safety. Thank Thank you. Chair and thank >> So one of one of charges, you know, council PRESIDENT, Howland, big give is that he want It practices from other counties. You know, it's over this course of the next 2 to 3 weeks will be meeting. We also be here from other counties in terms of getting the best practices before I move for Inc. Kind of wrap things up. I think it's a point that we have from the community we had. I think the first meeting notice we we with a 15 from 20 individuals from coming to because it speak. We had, you know, mothers, you know, Altice was at the meeting. I would love to hear from the community and turns and regard that what could be done now, you know, I know time is of the essence. You know, right now does this committee is scheduled to meet every 2 weeks. You know, 2 weeks is a long time between now and to ease the weekend, possibly losing another child. So I would love to hear from the community in terms of what can we do now? What are some of you guys also do have to public comment cause? I would love for you guys to come up and speaking, you get 3 minutes alumnus first. Her son is Messiah. Leggett. You want to you want to? Yeah. 30 minutes you can say to name yet Earth. If if you guys have cars, I can just bring them up. Please. >> Good afternoon, everybody. >> unallocated meeting. We had a whole lot of people here >> I felt so around the whole retention pond is that? People want engage what's going on. But they also each time they meet, they want to resolve the issues goes on on. I also all to see going I don't want this to be a statistic, but him like gold. So at that, we need If you want the community to get more involved in, you have to put every time we meet. We have the beat. Resolve. Some likely is that someone was saying that how many children have that? In certain time right? I don't buy this. That hiss is that they gave to you all on the panel. I don't think that's accurate because I think it's more than that and ball as the department's goes, I think the lot Bility should be placed on il. One. We allow these apartments in different houses, subsidies and come that community. We should quiet here for them to manage. So retention ponds. One thing say the last time it did me in. We should have sensors on those We should have cameras because when we at throughout Jacksonville, Florida, we've got cameras everywhere. There's no more privacy. The law not make these peoples. All these is the city on these retention pond? Yeah. Put these cameras on is a point feet is it doesn't take a wee is and that is me. It could be maybe I have to read will pause at the loose control. The my car. Ryan in a retention pond and nobody able fallout. Founding but but they have a camera. If those retention ponds around the side. I think issue is going to use all out honestly feel like. It's been drawn out because is is it's a simple thing. And that's just my personal opinion. And you want people to key coming to these meetings. But you want people to engage. Look at the time that compared to get an a when we had the lead that. You say people. I know some people that left that they felt like it was just another meeting. It was we do. And we do is of Jacksonville to feel like it's just another meeting because there's not another we're talking as well be Tuesday. All the time the regal pauses, whatever the disability is. We got to come to the forefront and that's what I have to say today. Thank you. Thank State address. I justify please. >> 63 24 Ala Avenue, Jacksonville, Florida, 3 Tuthill a vessel in Gateway Mall. >> All right. Thank you. We appreciate Well, I MAY as we got daughter Bennett. We ought to be in it. Name address. >> Hello, everyone. My name is Dr Japan. It I resided 3, 9, 4, 6, 8 Johns Avenue, Jacksonville, Florida, 3, 2, 2, 0, 5, I represent that is getting our foundation. Mission is to protect and empower young people through water safety, drowning prevention swimming at ces scholarships and community engagement. We want to support the city's drowning prevention work by bringing families into the conversation. And as my song you mentioned, identify who lack access to lessons promoting caregiver education, helping recruit future lifeguards and raising community support for safe access to pools reef. We respectfully ask the committee to prioritize free or low-cost swimming lessons Jaime's neighborhoods, water safety education for parents and caregivers and a youth pathway from swimming instruction to lifeguard certification and employment. What you guys have that with the youth vote, the junior lifeguard program and we would love to work besides you to go deeper and and more into the communities and we are ready to volunteer assist with outreach and collaborate with Jack Spartz. The Red Cross, the schools and neighborhood organizations. And thank you for your time. >> the Patrick. Hello, everyone. My name is Edison Liberty. Patrick, my addresses on file. I second what people have said already about free swimming lessons, offering those as much as we possibly can. Also any cpr classes that we can offer would be helpful >> something MAY be as simple as in addition to tracking bracelets wearing a whistle could be helpful, perimeter alarms, of course. The studies that gentleman mentioned as to, you know, when when the time of year, even the time of day that these these drownings are happening. >> and where there have happening, if they are, if there are ties to schools sidewalks and things like that I think it medical review if that was mentioned before I got here. Sorry, if I'm being repetitive. But you know why specifically, why are they attracted ponds in the first place? And I'm sure that part of that is the reflection. I'm sure part of that is the feeling of the water that that they experience. So I mention this to Councilmember Gaffney last night after City council said, I don't know if this is the thing, but if there is some sort of die that we could put in these ponds, that would be environmentally friendly. That would take the glare off and make it less make it less of a curiosity for them, make it less desirable for them to get in there and any kind of incentives that we can give to CDs or H.O.A. Is to facilitate, like didn't fit splitting the costs like an assessment like on their own voluntarily, right on their private property to put up some sort of barriers or fencing if they if we had a standardized form, if we had town halls with guidance stat just help lead them in that process again on their own on their private properties. I think that would be helpful because a lot of people probably want to help. They just kind of don't know how to get started and not everybody is good with community organizing. Sometimes, you know, talking front of a crowd are knocking on doors is like extremely scary to some people said there's anything to do to facilitate that process. I think that help encouraging residential people who have swimming pools that they don't have fences already to understand, like what kind of incentives they can get on their own health or their own homeowners insurance or whatever. If they put up fences and things like that on their own, any bodies of water, that is that are owned by apartment complex is or private companies. If we know that they have retention ponds or any kind of other bodies of water on their property, they will report those things to Just so we're aware in the event that somebody goes missing, then we have a map of where to start looking. That could be helpful, too. Just kind of spit balling some ideas here is I'm thinking about it, but I'm happy to stay engaged with this conversation. And I'm sure that the experts will have way better ideas made bank you for listening. >> Thank you for bringing it to attention. Agent, And there's please. >> my >> name's Adrian Menzies. My address is 29 Arbor Club Drive Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida. And I'm with a local company here called for tariff and saying we install fences all across all 6 counties in northeast Florida. We want to be here to help support the committee with technical questions that you MAY have and also just advocate for the community as a company who cares locally and not advocate for our business. So we have some questions that we would like you to consider, as you guys are putting in bills and advocating for policies. One of those is our current poll code requires gates to be self-closing and self latching with latches that at least 45 inches high. But a storm water pond or community retention pond has maintenance opening requirements specifically for mowing and vacuuming equipment and those usually require a minimum of a 20 foot. 24 foot, single gay or to 12 foot Gates has the committee considered different types of things that are not going that that will be practical for self-closing is what I should say so are is the committee considering maintenance access and self-closing latches lot latches as a part of these policy procedures that you're considering. Another question is the pull Code measurement currently requires 50 48 inches above the grade of the ground as the high of offense unfortunately, for a retention pond and it's not going to work the same because most polls have a concrete dock around it. And obviously in Florida, we have a lot of rain. There's a lot of erosion. So I think things need to be thought of, you know, below grade, technically ground up. So we're thinking long-term prevention and also you better use of our communities, money. And lastly. Is the policies that were making going to be only for new development or would it be existing ponds and retroactive obligation for local H.O.A. Communities. I also just want to offer to the committee that we're here to offer any free technical support that you guys MAY need estimates and just be here to support the committee. Thank you so much. >> And I appreciate bringing that last comment up in terms assisting in communities versus the feature communities because that's been a hot subject to, you know, how do you legislate as if communities and regards to going forward with Brian is to grant me to my point. You know, Jacksonville is growing, obviously, right. We approve pause every day. You know, as a body legislative body where prove subdivisions every Tuesday. So, you know, last night we probably approved 2 to 3 subdivision of which means another 4, 5, bonds. You know, I guess my question and I'm not sure who question is for, you know, in the meantime. What can we do and turns of a guess. Right now because we approve pause every day when not every day. But every Tuesday for the council me what can we do going forward? You know, to ioc home because I don't want to slow down the developers. I want to slow down the building and I understand they need if a storm water retention. But what can we do in the main that, you know why we doing that research? We're doing a vest, a geisha and we're trying to find this data. But at the same time. You know why I have said the pontiff. And we just that we add on to the problem. But, you know, before vote is committee is out. You know, it might have been might be another 50 safety palm. I've bill, between now and a MISS 2 or 3, much so I guess my question is, you the is easy. Is anything that we can do me. All right and I hands at that, but we haven't thought about what we want to do. What is the kind game >> To the chair and threw the chair to the committee. Has to permits that are in process. I predict very little. However, I'm happy. Look further into this. Again. You're talking about so many different. What is it? And that answer might differ. So but I can say with with some assurance permits that are in the process, you you would very limited. >> In changing the rules midstream, if you will. Thank you. I'm somewhat hesitant to to ask, but because I know we Shannon gave us an answer. But just thinking about the various zoning types. And there's a landscape as So perhaps when that. Applicant, the applicant's representative comes ucb could look a little more closely at. The exhibits. >> The >> detention ponds that's planned for the development. And looking at the landscape as bank to see if there is Vegetation, something that we can use in order to. So just to be a barrier because I know just thinking about could thinking about the different zonings. I know that isn't thick. It MAY be good. We place any conditions. Depending upon the type zone zoning type. The And I recognized. Yeah, to to COUNCILWOMAN Clark Murray threw the chair. Again broad question and I would want to get you some very definitive answers. I will say in my research landscaping in shrubbery are actually a problem because then you MAY not see a individual in a pond. All good ideas. As the chair explained. Taking on this very important issue, very methodically. Get the inventory get a mapping of this inventory. And then look at now what's in place and what can we do in this moment? Is that's where we can get some definitive answers legislatively with planning with zoning. All of that, we can have more definitive answers when we can actually speak 2 this place purses that place because there's going to be some very different answers. Respectfully, thank you. I threw the MS. Think this parole want to come up and say something to us as well? Yes, thank Through the chair to COUNCILMAN Clark Murray. >> Basically, the planned unit development would be the only zoning district that would allow conditions on proposal and what you could do as council us. You could work with the applicant. And if council would like to see a certain condition for safety requirements and the applicant agrees with that condition and that can be put on final zoning enacted. Ordinance. So you can't do it that way. As far as planning department recommendations, our recommendations would be grounded in code so we would not be able to make those recommendations until the code is changed. And I think that is similar reason why council and as you see what would need to look into this and correct me if I'm wrong, but why council what if they're imposing a condition? They would need the applicant to agree to that condition as well. All right. Thank you. >> But before I wrap us up is anyone here from all just a community another question that was brought to my attention. Do we have a database where all these kids are stand that, you know, and I know you're talking about, you know, I heard bracelets. And, you know, we could give out free resources. They things. Is you could represent and turns that you had a demographics in terms of artistic community come up. I don't like a microphone. >> Yes, I am a Medicaid provider with the agencies for persons with disabilities. So I really highly suggest getting with agency for persons with disability. You have a representation out here. They have those statistics dealing with developmental disabilities. Good because it's just not autistic. Kids is a plethora of individuals with developmental disabilities that are falling subject to these drownings and waterways. So just making that breach and connecting that bridge. I think that's really important in getting them in here at the next meeting. Just to suggest how we can cohesively work together. We'll be ideal. >> All right. Thank Fire up of my colleagues. I want to add in. >> Respectfully name and address. Please. The MAY managers, please. >> I'm sorry, I'm Dr to Bennett. My address is 3, 9, 4, 6, Saint Johns Avenue. 13. 0, 6, Jacksonville, Florida, 3, 2, 2, 0, 5, And I do have some fires to for some literature for for the nonprofit as well for you guys. >> All right. So this is this is what we what we need to do. Go off alone. We need to get up on and that or, you know, and what I mean upon and that or we need to identify name of the college from the Saint Johns, Water Management. He come back and we'll meet again have a calendar front of me. But that is look well, me every other at 3.35 o'clock going forward until we come up with a solution. But in its meat will be so some of the 20 there. But it makes me and that's what we'll cover. So it will get up or privately and publicly. So public works to get a list, not only have us a list but be able talk about the pause and reflect upon state government. We also get that number from Saint John's, what it meant. Saint Johns, Water management in terms of privately, we also reached out to allowed to stay community. What I want to get is a database from all kids that able. >> If we can get a database and see what these kids they and we can kind of dress it from that angle as well. We also jfrd missed the ag Alysia. He also has data for eyewitness me >> is there anything else that I'm innocent? Well, while we had it, Steven, if you can, from a recess department from a from a recession apartment. What I would like to do is look at our best practices. Ku looking into it. Let's see. I guess what nassau's do in Orlando is done. We could choose 5 different cities just to see what they do on So we know we're on the right track. That's also look at like 5 different cities that we go. I think locally is on my phone. Count >> Thank you to chair to Steven. So thinking about. Or so camp was considered like a sister city. So, Hillsborough, if you put that on your I would say Nassau as well. Orange County. Broward and maybe one other that's comparable in size comparable in size to our city. Thank you, chair. That's all want that. >> Councilmember Day. >> Thank you, MR. Chair to the chair. I would also committee. I would also look what we need to tap into a resource at the North Florida Regional Council as well to what research they will be able to do and provide those resort resources as well because they're great. Wealth of resources here. The can help us with this with other joining communities and but to to the chair. MISS MISS McGillis, especially what are parameters are. Is what I'm hearing from our plan and department is we're really our hands are had. But really like to get full definition of what what we're able to to do and not to dues to be able to. Explore those possibilities for just don't want to. Let's try to do something that we keep hitting our a road block every where we go a really like to fully understand, get that information on what allowable parameters are for of new developments and then, you know, the existing on and all had to be a total different scenario that we've got to work with these private landowners on what what we can do to. Protect our children and our most vulnerable out there. Thank you. Thank you with you're recognized. >> Thank you, chair and thank you to the to the committee and everyone who is who is here and taking part in I think we talked about at the end of our last meeting that what I took away from it was doing nothing is off the table. And that's what I continue to hear here, which is which is incredibly encouraging from an organizational standpoint. I think what I'm hearing is 4 boxes public private, existing future. So if we can think in those buckets to try to maybe help Steven, you know, with the research ask and those categories, I think that might be helpful from an organizational standpoint. And then from an education standpoint, we've got partners and existing programs that are already in place that we could built upon. I think hearing those things and try to happen to take advantage of those things that are already existing in terms of reach out and education. I think we'll be also incredibly helpful. So you're not a restarting from from 0. Thank you for that. If the >> That's the last speaker, that pretty much clothes mean. So like I say, once again, we'll meet again. Want to say the 23rd this might at 3.35 o'clock. The council PRESIDENT Half gave us to the end of this year to come up I decision come up with some solutions in terms of what we want to do. So but reach out to Tina of it. But out, we know homework. I do want to address. I think leg, you know, did we not just me just to you know, we understand life of kids, you know, so COUNCILWOMAN Climbers say, you know, is our goal hope that they come up with some legislation at the end day, safety prevention possible. So thank you guys coming on. A low voice and you guys it's mia.