Parks, Recreation and Environmental Protection Advisory Board Regular Meeting-in SRQ Media Studio, Annex Bldg.

APPROVED MINUTES Of the Regular Meeting of the Parks, Recreation, and Environmental Protection (PREP) Advisory Board September 17, 2026, at 4:00pm, City of Sarasota, City Hall SRQ Media Room Board Members Present: Carl Shoffstall, Chair, Leo Fitzgerald, Vice-Chair, David Plotkin, and Christopher Naese. Board Members Absent: Ron Watts and Rachel Brodsky. Parks and Recreation Department Staff Present: Mark Hamilton, General Manager, Parks & Recreation Department. City staff transcribing meeting minutes from video but not present, Juliet Linzmayer, Administrative Specialist II, Payne Park Tennis Center. 1. Call to Order: Chair Shoffstall called the regular monthly meeting of the Parks, Recreation, and Environmental Protection (PREP) Advisory Board to order at 4:05pm. 2. Pledge of Allegiance: All members rose for the Pledge of Allegiance. 3. Reading of the Pledge of Conduct: Chair Shoffstall read the Pledge of Conduct. 4. Roll Call: 4 members were present. There was a quorum. 5. Approval of the Minutes from August 20, 2026: On a motion by Member Fitzgerald and a second by Member Plotkin, the minutes were approved. The Motion passed unanimously. 6. Citizens’ Input Concerning City Topics Session One: None. 7. New Business: a. Proposed Zoning Text Amendments for Composting Operations, Including Parks and Community Gardens – City Sustainability and Resilience Manager Alia Garrett and Chief Planner Briana Dobbs: Garrett presented a slideshow presentation explaining composting basics, why the code pertaining to composting is changing, site standards and oversight, and what the code change means for parks. Garrett began by defining what composting is, what foods are acceptable for composting, and why it’s important. Garrett said the Planning Department is proposing a zoning text amendment that creates clear composting standards and definitions for small scale only composting. Operators would also be required to submit an annual Plan of Operation. Composting supports sustainability, environmental protection, and smart waste management. b. Parks Zoning Updated Direction – Coalition of City Neighborhood Associations (CCNA) First Vice-Chair Jim Ludwig: Ludwig said the first objective in CCNA’s action strategy is to change the zoning for all the parks from “Open Space” to “Parks.” The second objective in their plan is to require at least a super majority vote (4-0) of the City Commission to change the zoning designation of a park land. The third objective is to create a Parks District. CCNA wants parks to have their own designated district protected from a potential simple majority vote from the commission that would sell or lease park lands. Chair Shoffstall asked about the process in achieving this, and Ludwig said that changing the zoning is a very elaborate, time consuming, and expensive process. There was some discussion and Ryan Chapdelain, General Manager of Planning, approached the dais and said changing the Comprehensive Plan to require a super majority vote to sell or lease park land would first require an amendment to the Charter. A rezoning alone would not provide the safety net of a super majority vote requirement, but a charter amendment would. Rezoning would also be a lengthy and expensive process. If the utmost protection of parks in the most efficient and permanent way is the goal, and a super majority vote is a means to provide that protection, then a charter amendment would be the expedient way to achieve that, provided the City Commission approves. Mark Hamilton, Parks and Recreation General Manager and Board Liaison, interjected with a request to read the motion that passed 6-0 at the July 2026 Advisory Board Meeting which was, “Member Watts made a motion to recommend the City Commission prioritize a common zoning category for all current and future parks, recreation, and open space located in the city limits.” Hamilton then asked the Members if they thought this motion was sufficient or needs to be amended. Discussion ensued. Chair Shoffstall said he’ll present the aforementioned motion to the City Commission at the September 21, 2026 Meeting as is and request approval. c. Luke Wood Fountain Assessment – Member Naese: Member Naese said the Sarasota Alliance for Historic Preservation (SAHP) representative Randy Kowalski reports their 501(c)(3) has received $45,000 in donations. They’ve created a website with the assistance of a professional fundraiser: Miracleonmound.org. SAHP Representatives look forward to discussing utility reconnection options with the City Manager on October 12, 2026. Parks, Recreation, and Environmental Protection Advisory Board Meeting Minutes September 17, 2026 Page 1 of 2

8. Board Agenda Reports: b. Parks: Member Fitzgerald reported that as of July 2026 Bobby Jones Golf Club is operating very close to budget. The Request for Funds for the driving Range has been approved by both the City and County. Request for Proposals should go out soon. The current driving range brings in about $30,000 per month so there is optimism this upgraded one with a teaching pro center and entertainment area will be highly successful. Fitzgerald said he has not received an update about the clubhouse. Fitzgerald updated members about the Sarasota Lawn Bowling Club and their attempts at grass sprigging in early summer. After describing the sparse conditions of the grass at the club, Member Fitzgerald introduced the motion, “In view of the steady deterioration of the playing surface at the Sarasota Lawn Bowling Club, which is inseparable from its core mission, and in view of the fact that conditions at that park reflect poorly on the City Parks, and Recreation Department, it is the advice of the Parks, Recreation and Environmental Protection Citizens Advisory Board that the Sarasota Lawn Bowling Club Officers be advised of the City’s intention to not renew the lease of that facility when it expires.” The motion did not receive a second. The motion did not proceed. Chair Shoffstall requested Liaison Hamilton to invite the Lawn Bowling Club to an upcoming meeting to discuss their plan of operation. c. Recreation: None. d. Environmental Protection: Chair Shoffstall discussed the Lido Beach Renourishment Project. 9. Citizens Input Concerning City Topics Session Two: None. 10. Board General Discussion: None. 11. Agenda Topics by Board Members for Upcoming Meetings: Sarasota Lawn Bowling Club, park volunteerism, Bobby Jones Golf Clubhouse update, PREP Board re-appointments and applicants, and “Park Reviews.” 12. Next Regular Meeting is set for Thursday, October 15, 2026, at 4:00pm at City Hall Commission Chambers. 13. Adjourn: Chair Shoffstall adjourned the meeting at 5:21pm. Parks, Recreation, and Environmental Protection Advisory Board Meeting Minutes September 17, 2026 Page 2 of 2

Parks, Recreation and Environmental Protection Advisory Board Regular Meeting-in SRQ Media Studio, Annex Bldg.

PARKS, RECREATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING-IN SRQ MEDIA STUDIO, ANNEX BLDG.

SRQ MEDIA STUDIO, ANNEX BLDG, 1ST FLOOR (Next to City Hall)

04:00 p.m. September 17, 2026

Notice to the Public

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For citizens who cannot be in attendance, please email Mark Hamilton 48 hours in advance to mark.hamilton@sarasotafl.gov to obtain a phone number to call into the meeting.

Notice of Meeting

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Call Meeting to Order - Chair Shoffstall

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Pledge of Allegiance - Members

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Reading of the Pledge of Conduct - Chair Shoffstall We may disagree, but we will be respectful of one another. We will direct all comments to issues.

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Roll Call

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Approval of Minutes from August 20, 2026

DRAFT Minutes 08.20.26

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CITIZENS' INPUT CONCERNING CITY TOPICS SESSION 1: (Limited to 30 minutes) Note to the Public: At this time, citizens may address the PREP Board on topics concerning the City. (3 minutes per person time limit) Citizens' Input is to allow citizens the opportunity to present their view on matters concerning City topics but not on items scheduled elsewhere on the Agenda. Questions and answers shall not be permitted; however, matters presented to the PREP Board may be referred the Chair, with consensus of the PREP Board, to the Administration for action and possible follow-up at a future PREP Board meeting.

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New Business (Limited to 15 minutes each item)

a. Proposed Zoning Text Amendments for Composting Operations, Including Parks and Community Gardens-City Sustainability and Resilience Manager Alia Garrett and Chief Planner Briana Dobbs b. Parks Zoning Updated Direction-CCNA Vice Chair Jim Ludwig c. Luke Wood Fountain Assessment-Member Naese

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Board Agenda Reports a. Parks b. Recreation c. Environmental Protection

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CITIZENS' INPUT CONCERNING CITY TOPICS SESSION 2: (Limited to 30 minutes) Note to the Public: At this time, citizens may address the PREP Board on topics concerning the City. (3 minutes per person time limit) Citizens' Input is to allow citizens the opportunity to present their view on matters concerning City topics but not on items scheduled elsewhere on the Agenda. Questions and answers shall not be permitted; however, matters presented to the PREP Board may be referred the Chair, with consensus of the PREP Board, to the Administration for action and possible follow-up at a future PREP Board meeting.

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Board General Discussion (Limited to 3 minutes per member)

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Agenda Topics by Board Members - Request and agree on items for next meeting's agenda.

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Next Regular Meeting is set for Thursday, October 15, 2026, at 4:00 p.m. at City Hall, Commission Chambers.

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Adjournment

>> Lots of activity. Maybe they stopped to get some free skis or something. Some doughnut holes I think some new artwork >> Got you all ready to roll here. It also interviewing And the mayor here. >> your promote it? ? ? >> Okay. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm going to call Park Rec environment advisory board meeting to order. And with son were in order. And the first thing we do have a quorum, it looks like it will start down at this and this time. Member Plotkin here. Fitzgerald. >> Isn't it? Chris Nays? >> Carl Shelf so. We do have a quorum. maybe somebody show up here. With that and we're going to do the Pledge of Everybody, rise. do All right. As the code of conduct all read We may disagree, but we will respect the love for more on another. And we will direct all comments to issues. I hope everybody got a chance take a look at minutes. And if there's any corrections or if everybody got a chance to look at him, I look for approval of the last minute move. We approve. I second all in favor. Aye post. Minutes prove. Thank you very much, everyone. Citizens input. Mark, I don't see tickets up here, OK, sir? all right. We'll move on to. Got to forgive me. sciatica out a Hobbling new business. Proposed zoning, text Amendment. Jim Ludwig was supposed to. The here. now he's next. Oh, I'm sorry. I said, man, I'll tell you why. Go ahead case like I say, I've got sciatica really bad. I've been hobbling. Please introduce yourselves. >> I'm Aliah Garrett. The sustainability and resilience. The city of Sarasota. Good afternoon, Brianna Dobbs chief planner, the Planning Department. >> get my presentation of their. Do you see it? Yeah. I think you need to press the camera for them. >> OK, so I'm here to talk about composting in the city, specifically at Parks and Community Gardens. So I have a very quick presentation won't take long. We'll talk about the basics of composting. Why we're proposing to change the code. What it means for parks. And then some of the sites standards and oversight that we're proposing. So what is composting? Why does it matter? Composting is a controlled the composition of organic matter by microorganisms. It's important for a lot of reasons, but mainly it keeps food waste out of our landfills, which promotes better air quality. It lowers our disposal costs and supports local soil, health landscaping in green spaces. And it enables regulated transportation of food waste for responsible. Reuse all that say the bottom line is that composting supports our sustainability and environmental protection goals and smart waste management. We If go okay. So what can become posted? Typically what's accepted is fruit and vegetable scraps cook, plant-based foods, coffee grounds. He bags eggshells. All things with not typically accepted at community composting operations are meat fish, bones, dairy oils, fats, greasy foods, and these limits exist because meat and dairy can attract. Pests and cause odors. Whereas community scale composting typically focus on the lower risk food waste, which is the and vegetable scraps and the things about. So there is some limitations. There are some limitations within the current city code. It currently lacks definitions for food, waste and composting. And this regulatory uncertainty really limits the operations and growth of operators that are already in our community. One of them being a local nonprofit Sunshine Community Harvest. So right now they're operating under this complex and lengthy concession agreement with the city and it takes a long time to get approved. It limits their collection to community gardens and parks sites. It doesn't allow them to transport the waste. But we have seen high demand from businesses in apartments, religious institutions, neighborhoods, all sorts of people. So we do want to provide that opportunity there for people who are interested. But again, expansion beyond community gardens and parks is not peaceful under the code that we have right now. So our proposed approach is community scale. We are recommending small-scale privately operated composting. This would not involve any sort of city hauling staffing were operating costs at this time. It would be privately operated for collection, transport and processing. Again. This is that this time things might change in the future. But this is what we're proposing currently is that our role is limited to the zoning code and city code amendments. So what does it propose? It really creates these clear definitions and standards in the code and it shows that accessory use the parks would be consistent with what kind of already happening in parks and community gardens and establishes oversight for larger and larger is relative. It's still only the 21 200 cubic yards for community composting operations in different zone districts and then it creates an annual color permit. So again, composting is already happening in parks. You'll see a picture on the right there. That's a compost operation that's happening today right now at one of our community garden sites. So what changes really? It just provides those clear rules and oversight and limits the composting materials that are on site. So again, sunshine Community Harvest is already operating there. The main and only one they've been in our community for about 15 years now. And there are wonderful and they operate out of some of our community gardens and parks sites in the city, but also the county as well. So this will again establish the oversight for community, compost operations and then create that holler permit, which is important to regulate the transportation of it. So it does remain small scale. accessory use. It's a maximum of 20 cubic yards on site. That does seem like a lot. But when you're talking about composting, you have to mix it. Not just the food scraps, but also with Brown's which are like wood chips and leaves and sticks any sort of brown. So you're talk in like probably half of that half of food scraps and and at the community garden sites right now, we're not even at the 20 cubic yards in there, mostly in containers. actually all of them are in containers, not in piles. So, yes, a lot isn't allowed is in excess. 3 Houston parks. There wouldn't be any meat. Dairy products were bones allowed in the pile. Height limits would be about 6 feet or less. They would also be required to submit an annual plan of operation. I would be submitted to the city, the planning department. It has to include a general site design, the composting method, processing and piled high limits, their best management practices, which include odor prevention, compliance with applicable regulations and permits and also any proof of the likable insurance as well. So the holler permit matters because it creates accountability for health. Food waste is collected and moved throughout the city. It will be required for anybody who is doing any sort of composting operation and then annual permit would require proof of insurance and their operational details about how they're transporting it. And all of the materials would have to be transported infield leak resistant containers. All that to say this has been a very thoughtful and intentional process. We want to enable community composting while at the same time protecting parks neighborhoods in our public spaces that we all love. It is built around existing local composting experience in what's already happening in parks. And it's been informed by residents, compost operators. We've met with tons municipalities that already have similar composting programs in place and other local partners. This is a very short list. But like the Science and Environment Council in Gulf Coast Community Foundation. So it's designed to be very practical clearer and appropriately skilled. So I have. I'm gonna go down here and we'll take questions. Questions. questions, >> I assume there's a charge for the permit. OK? that's essentially the city cut in this whole operation. >> but again, it's small-scale nonprofits, mainly they're going to be operating. So it's not going to be like thousands of dollars. We haven't worked out the exact details, but it's going to be reasonable for smaller nonprofit that operating. >> Okay. What about them? If it is this is and I bring something to this collection site. What if I take something? Is that? >> That's going to be up to whoever it is. That's managing the sight. So currently right now is Sunshine Community Harvest. They have a plan in place for they have Dropbox. People can drop off materials and then it just depends the next operator or whoever else comes that you might be able to take some. You might not be able to the city isn't managing collecting processing any of it. So so then. >> Do we even know what they do with >> this product that them color that will be part of the plan of operation that they submit their materials, the processing what they're doing with it. >> First was a great idea. I mean, composting is, you know, really solid, solid idea for sure. I'm familiar with. In Bozeman, Montana. They a private, some private companies that do collections so happy. Compost one company and there's a subscription fees. So people have to pail in front of their yard, that could be come pick it up. And at the end of the year, beginning of the next year, this drivers have the opportunity to pick up the product and there's some arrangement. I'm not sure I don't. If you be interesting if you haven't heard about that set Yeah, no, I definitely have. We met with tons of municipalities throughout Florida who have all different sorts of the system, Riyadh, private companies that come in. >> I guess group shuns service at the end of the processing. You get some back. Yeah. And so that's even a possibility for here potentially down the road. Yeah, totally. It just depends on the private operators because, again, we're not we can't mandate that they do that. It just depends on their business model and what they want to set up here. >> About how many neighborhoods are involved in this right now. Do you have any idea or any, any? he's in the city that are involved in and participating. >> And build in what capacity just like the existing community garden sites that something community Harvest operates. There's 2 that are operational today right now. There used to be more but because of demand at some of the parks and costs and they had changes with their staff. They've limited to 2 sites. But we're hoping that it increases more. >> his glass be Part of part of that. >> And yeah, Orange Blossom Community Garden as well. There was something at Arlington Park in one Arlington, Arlington, Water Tower Park in Bayou Oaks as well. But I'm not sure. You know, water tower isn't happening anymore. They had only like one subscriber the last time I talked to them and it just they've lost a lot of staff there down to 2 people and it wasn't worth going out there just for one person. So I think they tried to reallocate them to a different site. When they drop this stuff off composting material. It started the with the mixing and everything. >> You say it takes about I year. I understand right in. >> Oh, no, not a year. I think your point was with that one business, it was in Montana that there's a subscription service and at the end of the year, they get a certain amount back but to process it doesn't take a year. You're Lookin got ugly, Florida, the climate here, yes, it breaks it down quicker. That's for sure. Yeah. Have you reached out to ccna 2? >> I have. >> Yeah. I've met with their meaningful input committee and just trying to get the word out there on our Web site and any information that we can share with the community meeting with other community-based organizations and groups like the Science and Environment Council. The UF Ifas Extension Office. >> So we try to get as much input as we can from others. >> I mean, as bad as the soil is here with spent really soil. It's and and I think this is this to be a fantastic supplement to any of us who have a garden or yard that, yeah. >> And it just has those co-benefits with being a soil amendment and then you don't have to use fertilizer which promotes water qualities. So soil absorption. Retention. It could be a flooding mitigation tools. So there are so many benefits to composting. Thank you. To your point. >> And in the grand scheme of things as this moves forward in a fake names traction. At what point will the city star to step in and started do something other than? Actually take control of this solar. What's what's the game plan going forward? >> Yeah. Hard to say. As soon as we pass this, you monitored him and see what happens. But curbside composting would be the ultimate goal, but that's probably way further down the line because right now we don't have a regional industrial scale composting facility. So to manage something like that, public perception has to change because right now, you know, people are recycling. We're happy about that. But to then added 3rd thing to get people to do so we just need time to see how it goes. Who's interested, what neighborhood? You're interested, what the utilization is. And then if funding and circumstances change, where we do have some sort of regional composting facility may be in the distant future, we could have curbside. That's the dream. >> Canada where I'm originally from municipal recycling well established. You have that little can that you put out everybody's very compliant. And so that's been something, you know, unfamiliar with for. couple of decades, actually up north. >> Yeah. And even in other areas like in the United States like Colorado, California, it is already mandatory over there. It's just getting that here is going to be further down the line, especially when the infrastructures there. But because we don't even own our landfill, we take our ways to the county's landfill. So just getting this word separation, where we bring it. What do you plan on? How do you plan on educating or at least getting his word out to the masses? >> Or websites? Social media city newsletter. >> Word of mouth. Anyway. We can. I think it's really important. We love to see more people sign up for it. questions. >> I thank you very Thank Throughout the what's the role of parks and recreation diagnosis unfolds for you? >> I guess. >> We'll keep you in the loop as we move forward with planning Board and commission first and second reading and then maybe we can explore opportunities with sunshine Community Harvest who may be expanded to additional park sites. But again, it really depends on their staff capacity because they did go down to like only 2 people. They are kind of the fun back up now. So hopefully they'll have more capacity, get their own vehicle and be able to take it to a compensate once it opens. Thank you. Thank >> Okay. Next, park zoning update direction. Jim Ludwig. >> My name is Jim I live on Lido Key. am. On the board of Lido Key residents association with this young man. Obviously have talked about many, many things as far as parts come. I am first vice president of Ccna. That's the reason I'm here. And my understanding is. This board. Wanted to know specifically where Ccna is on various issues with the the parks and in our initiative. Our initiative started about 4 years ago. But we haven't had. A lot of activity until we had our. Meeting with all of our neighborhoods where we did a kind of open forum and trying to find out what's really important. What what came out of that was a lot of things. But Parks is just period. Part in. I don't have to tell you that is like preaching the choir to know that parks are very, very important to this every community. take it from a 40,000. Feet view for a minute and I've had a lot of experience in working with. Boards and commissions and cetera, for a number number of years. But 40,000 feet. When I look at what we've kind of done over the last. 5 or 6 years in particular. We've kind of beat ourselves up. We've had people who have wanted to come in and least part of our parks or buy some of that land or otherwise do something with it other than it being just a park. So I basically you our problem is. We don't call our parks a park. All of our parks are zone open space. They're just government. And so if I'm a person that we have a lot of visitors in this community, but from a visitor coming this community and I see this piece of land over here and think, you know, I could put something there that could be wonderful. For me. Maybe. They don't know. It's a park. If they knew it was a park, they wouldn't take that same thing and they would take that initiative to go to city commissioner and say I want to propose this where that. So one of the big things about changing that definition is perception. We want we want. Every community member to know and every visitor to know that's a park. you caught a park, they'll know. That's a park and they're not doing it. Have the visions that they might otherwise have for you. So that was the biggest thing that we started with was. We want to change the zoning. And maybe that's not the right way. But we wanted to change the zoning from open space, which 90% of our parks are to park. Some sort of designation. We have park and open space. We don't have any any land that's in. That may be one. We call that the rest of them elsewhere. So that was that was the first thing in our action strategies that we want to. The second thing is. Again, over these past 6 years, we were looking at. It can only take a currently could take to 3 to 2 vote. To move. Something out of being a park Sally and to somebody. And again from it. Residents standpoint, that's not very reassuring. When you when you can do that, we would like to see I'd like to see if I will vote, but that's probably not practical, but at least a super majority for a vote. it takes an extra effort. For the commission to go through actually. Change that demand that. Part Parkland. The 3rd thing. And it's something that I don't have to tell this board about it. All because you. I don't know how many years. You guys have worked on almost got past. Funding Park district. And it just makes all the sense in the world that we continue. That effort. So that we can fund these parks. I think that's just the the right way to go. So as that. we've talked to planning, we've talked to lots of people about how we go about this whole idea of changing the names and that kind of thing. We. We've heard it. Maybe it's best to do it in the comp plan and maybe it's best to do it as a charter amendment. I'm not going to come to tell you what's the best way to do that? We have staff and we have you guys us that's the best way to do it. But what we want to accomplish is we want parks to be their own designation. We would like them to be. Funded. With some sort park district and protected from a simple majority on the commission level to make them something other than parks. That clarify that. Where our position is from CNN. That's what I have. Where are we at right now? With all that being said? You want me to be my normal sarcastic. King I mean. >> Where are and where? working on the on the comp plan. Okay. We know that. And we talked about putting something pieces in there. >> Brian Cashman came here. Couples couple things to go and gave you positions. Okay. You know, if it if we could do it in the comp plan, as are certainly good things to start with. We have. Discussion with. With city attorney and with Jerry and Lucien that in order change the com, the may change his own. You have to go through. A very elaborate process which doesn't make any sense to me because but but you know what I know. Go through a very elaborate annex pensive process. I really think there's a much easier way to shortcut way if we as a community wanted to do There are there other options. But so we're not. To my knowledge. There's nothing going forward on that, right? This minute. I I do know that I'm in city manager is exceptionally pro Park. And I think she wants to get this done as well. But she's got a zillion things on her plate. I respect that. So guess that's what I'm saying where I where does would keep an eye on keep an eye. We've been doing this for couple years now. Silent. trying to meet with people get this movement. That's where we're So there was a vote here. Several meetings ago regarding. >> Our support to go to the commission. And say keep moving forward with. Zoning change. What I'm hearing now is that might not be the direction which just as owning change or in the comp plan. I mean. We mark. We're still on as far as I can I'm concerned that we were going to Monday Monday to that. Are we going is there any kind of a change in what? Again, we're looking to see CNA, because that's the neighborhood voice. We're looking to see we're looking for direction now at this last meeting, do we want to just go with that? Motion or do we want to change up the motion a little bit and re doing a little bit before we go in my business. But from our perspective, we want. lands that are parks to be. >> Separately designated. Whether you do that as his own with you. I don't know. I'm not that. Finalize created. But zoning make sense to me. That you would do it that way. That's I'm a person from outside coming in. To me, I would go look at zoning code what that property zone. That would be the first thing I would do if I were in arrested in particular property that I would know what's allowable on that piece. to me changing the zoning code makes sense. Is that the right? To make that motion? In front of the commission? >> And hearing what I'm hearing now. Is that the correct way to go about this, that that's what we would be looking at. >> There are in my opinion, there are mixed feelings on staff. On it. Come on up here. Young man. There are mixed feelings on staff. >> Of weather. >> That's an easy thing to do or a more difficult and more expensive understand that. But again, we want to be right with what we're saying to the commission. Or at least what our wish and want ask us. >> Good afternoon. Ryan Chaplin and Planning Department. And if you recall, I think we were here at your last meeting going over the recreation, open space chapter in the draft changes the draft updates. And one thing that came up was this whole notion of a super majority vote, the Commission votes that either seller Lee's Parkland, great idea in something that we can certainly put in the conference of plan. We have a similar. Requirement now in the Conference of plan. If you're amending the future land use map, also requires a supermajority, however, to get there, the charter has to be amended order to allow that that, you know, in our opinion, probably gives me the most security that to to get to that super majority. If you want to sell or lease Parkland and we can get there. I know there's a board report with mention of the commission on Monday. It would take Jo Yeo that the commission support they can certainly, you Put forth a charter amendment that would it would be till 2028. They can put that forward and then we come to a vote, assuming its past, then we also would incorporate that language to the comprehensive plan. So what's clear, any sailor, Lisa Parkland triggers a super majority vote. The commission level. The notion of of rezoning 61 parks and the comprehensive plan amendments that need to be part of that. As Jim sort of alluded to that that is a multi-year process, a very intensive process to do all that. What it doesn't do is get to the super majority that I think is what was one of that's what Mr. Casson head head alluded to when he had his remarks at the last meeting. So to to get to the Super majority reason want do that. The charter amendment does. >> So it's not as low hanging is for autism. Everybody thinks I don't know that any of its low hanging. >> But for them for the