Special Committee on Drowning Prevention

Ago. Had a good start. I want to welcome everyone to the special committee on the drowning prevention. We're just after dozens from my left eye right? During administration. Even with council research. >> that got U.S. Office of General Counsel. River County Auditor's Office. Good afternoon. Time. 1 o'clock. Mary District 9. >> Got to know Richard Daphne Junior to straight. My gay district. 2, Awesome. Want to thank everyone for the answer. Want to thank everyone crowd for coming out on the gloomy wet day. I was kind of worried about the team is on the line. Drove over here was it was pointed out rain and so but appreciate you guys coming out. We have a light agenda so that will be here too long. But before we get start, I want to make a motion to move out. Was an iPhone community Thank you guys for So speaking of agenda before talk about the agenda, I do want to highlight a few things but also missed of settlement knife meeting with discussed a few things and they will go for. So we we MAY set some a knife. We met hour and 15 minutes actually. And some of the highlights that we discussed and a special retention me was going up on inventory. You know, obviously what we with the city have anywhere from 1000 to 1500 pause in a city where that has private one and that's public, you know, I know if not myself, one of colleagues we brought we needed to respond and the torso will be kind of discuss the Met. What to these pauses city what a profit And he's also brought he brought out whether what we go a pause. Current assistant paws off pass too, also come up. So I would like to discuss that well. We also discuss last meeting. What other cities do regards to issue. So we also hear about that today. We also discuss what can we do now? You know, we discussed everyday council is approving legislation that require a new communities to inquire up stop So what can we do now? We also discuss a spill one 80, you know, obviously we don't want to do is we're work and Bain. So, you know, I think that's important because we need to figure out in terms of the parameters and guidelines. What can we do, Wolf, a state bill in effect, we got those questions. And I know must have a presentation from Andre Agassi you here. Come up. Was nice enough. Kind enough to volunteer and get a task force ally, 15 different agencies and speak about that as well. So before LeBron missed during up my colleagues, the I mean, the thing I want to mention before we get special Yes, thank you, chair. I just want to also mention you talked about hb 180 or sb 180. And so our general counsel, counselor, Mr by color is here. >> So he can speak to those things. And I briefly about the impact it MAY have on this. The book that we're trying to do here today. Thank you. Also, thank you. The fact John Innes legal front, glad to see. >> I was state Senator Tony Hill. Is there Karen State, the lead says that in the crowd as well. So thank you guys. Will both attend into some point issues. I appreciate that. So we'll get started with the day's if they want to come up and presentation. Good afternoon. >> Duval County. Most parents, division. So to the chair, COUNCILMAN Gaffney on the first thank you for opportunity to co-chair this working group with Nolan with the Northeast, Florida Regional Council. This is such an important mission and we're both extremely thankful to be part of. So thank you, sir. So with that, we'll get started. So the workgroup report out today will be myself in Tyler. As you see for you right now, the inner agency and community Partners, the working group, you know, from the last committee meeting, we went back to the oc and we start shooting e-mails, all the community organizations in the city and then we see if unused 20 community organizations that volunteered to be part of a working group. And I'm telling you, this is incredible. We already met this past Friday was a one hour meeting. Wind up me Fleck 2 and a half hours. A lot of great dialogue and I can see this working group drone and their future. So with the tight timeline that we talked about what you see, but there's a post-work plan for 2026, you turn here. I can't see that far. Is SEPTEMBER 23rd offices today. We're still trying to gather some information which will talk about a few slides a few minutes as we want understand the problem. You know, that's we want to make sure that we have a true understanding where the issues are and then be able to guide the working group on coming up with some recommendations to the committee. Look over 7th gaps. No rim or seconds built solutions. And by the end of NOVEMBER or early DECEMBER, our goals adopt deliver. That's the final report to committee submit recommendations and the proposed legislation. So by committee charges, we have 6 focus areas. First mercy response and that Prevention, public education and awareness. 3rd is youth and Lopez. Special needs safety. Public residential retention storm-water facility safety. 5th is interagency and community partnerships, which we're working on right now and best practices, a slate of authority in recommendations. With that on hand it over to Tyler to discuss the next few slides. Come up with a back and kind of wrap it up. Thank you. >> Good afternoon to the chair to members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to share some of this data with you and I wouldn't be remissed if and then expand upon use team. That is also here with us. That team's been diligently working over the past couple of weeks to pull this data. It's very labor intensive as a result of the computer aided dispatch system known as cad to be able to go through. And look at the note of these reports and really understand how these drownings or happened and what they are. What is the information behind it? You know, information in the ways that people long this data has changed over those 5 years as well. So finding the nuances and those statements by either law enforcement or fire rescue personnel while on scene is actually very tedious and take some time. So this data that I'm gonna share case showcase to you as for 2 years. But the team is actively and diligently looking at it over a five-year period that will ultimately be presented to you in the same fashion. As we look and we look reconcile these fatal and non-fatal incidents also known as near drowning incidents in this system. We definitely and the intent of this and I don't want it to get lost. As I as I share this information about to share because it's a little bit about drowning as a whole. But we're here for those with intellectual and developmental differences that have found their ways into retention ponds and experience a tragic loss. I don't want that to get lost, but it is very important that when we look at drowning data, there's a whole wide variety of ways. And incidents that have happened. So I think it is important to showcase that with you because I think some of the actions that we take to address these intellectual and developmental differences. Populations will also help us ensure that we're being more drownings of any type as we experienced drowning deaths here in the city of Jacksonville. We did separate the ponds and pools all showcase that data here to you for just a minute. You know, looking at the age and locations when they're available. And then the questions as a working group is like, why are these things occurring? Are there any trends in the data? What can we do to look at this on a much more holistic perspective. And that's one thing that data allows us to do. What you're seeing before use this two-year look at drowning incidents and calls of service for Jfrd. I think it's no surprise to anybody that the highest average relies private residents pools first and foremost with that. If you go down a couple lines, you see the highest risk is at the beaches. We all know rip currents and things play an important they're very challenging issue. When folks visit Jacksonville and are in the water. But why were here are the reason we are here. These retention pond and natural bodies of water. I'm really looking at those understanding why they happened, how they happened and how we can prevent them in the future. Moving forward. Ms Clarke, Maria, at the last meeting you mentioned, you know, it takes a very small amount of water with the right conditions that can lead ultimately to somebody drowning. And you're absolutely right. That level is only a couple of inches of water if noses and mouths are are submerged in the water. So it's very important to know that we're not talking feet. We're talking inches is really what it boils down to. Some of the day to expand it a little bit further. I mean, obviously pediatric vulnerability is the highest in the last meeting. You know, we talked about that it that's not just our singular focus. There are folks with these intellectual and developmental differences that are of all ages and that they are at risk no matter what age they are. But it is important to showcase and look at that for under the children under 10 account for 43 of these deaths over the past 2 year. 43% 0 to 4 represent 31% of the incidents. As I mentioned, already swimming residential pools, private residential swimming pools are the number one call a service for Jfrd. There's a seasonal peak. I mean, I don't think that it surprises anybody that folks are more active in the water during certain times. But these cardiac arrest cases, if you don't know through severe hypoxia, which is oxygen deprivation, it actually shuts down the heart muscle in the electrical system. So I know those 2 things don't normally go together. When we talk about, you cpr aed machines when somebody is experience a drowning. But there is a direct correlation between folks it experienced drowning and the cardiac arrest. That happens as a result. I'm that. So obviously there's probably some things that we can doing the cpr and aed world as well. When we look at these trends. Breaking the data down just a little bit further for you of these 86 over the 2 years, there's just folks that here information differently than visually seeing it. So we wanted to showcase that data just a little bit differently for you. And obviously it's no surprise that. Pools and beaches are top percentages with those retention ponds, accounting for roughly just over 4%. Pushing at that 5% range over the past 2 years. Kind of already hit on it. But that 43% of the data that we have is that under 10 concentration of individuals, unintended pool access and adolescent and adult risks just 10 to 39 accounted for. 36. 36 incidents, which was 42%. And as we're talking as we all of the conversation will ultimately dust, you know, down topics such as locks for doors, locks for gates locks for offenses. We're going to be able to accomplish something much greater than just the intent of this committee. So I think it's important to share this data with you to look at it from a much larger perspective. And I think the ultimate outcomes of this committee will address not only those that at high risk for this incident, but there's a much larger population that we can benefit as well. I think it's no surprise anybody that when we break down the date a little bit further, the gender disparity is heavily weighted towards males. 63 of the 84 incidents were males 73%. I think we can all in for there's probably a number of reasons for that. But that is one of the big benefits of having data being able to identify these trends because in a world of public messaging social media campaigns, we can very targeted in some of these geo fencing. And there's a whole lot of things that are available and at our fingertips that we live in the world of 2026, I know it's frightening at times, but we really do get some benefits that we haven't had in the past when it comes to public messaging. To break down the zip codes a little bit further. But I will say when we're talking about those retention Pond over the past 2 years, it has really been that 3 to 2, 1, 8, in the 3, 2, 2, 5, 6, which isn't listed on this just because it didn't meet the high 3. But when we're talking about the retention Pond, s that is 3, 2, 2, 1, 8, Piece of data, just as I mentioned, broken up into more graphical form to kind of showcase it of where the zip codes lying and being able to identify these trends while they're happening. Weather happening in these areas becomes very important. Lastly, before hand it over back to you know, this analysis is ongoing. It is going to take some time. We really do hope by the next meeting we've been able to capture that five-year data. There's a lot of analysis, a lot of training to look at. And on top of that, once we get the data, there has to be a double check, a standard to where we're going back and making sure that we actually captured everything that we needed capture. So there is a verification process to that. Think every choirs that intense manual review, there's multiple datasets across many agencies. Some use like term. Some don't so really trying to find those nuances in the data. And then obviously with autism spectrum disorder related drownings are underreported. It just comes down to those scenes being chaotic and it boiling down to what get entered into the system in procedures are there and folks are doing. But we all know that when especially when children are involved, the emotional aspect of the situation gets one. Drastically increased. And so it's making sure that we have some of these standard term standard policies and procedures. So with that, I will turn it back over to you to tell you about what other programs or what programs are currently in the city and how they're being used. Thank you for your time. So existing program, certain city Jacksonville through the chair to custom Maria believe you asked this question last committee meeting. >> You know what's going You know, are we doing here Duval County? So kind of just briefly highlight some of the current programs and the missions that are going on. Duval County. If you see right here, you got 5 shuns water come see and safety programs in Duval County. A swim lessons. You see the Jax Parks Safari and Hope Flow Foundation. The ymca currently provide free swim lessons here in Duval County. Public safety and support vulnerable populations. Jfrd and jso the revamped program, very successful program that we've had from several years. And also the first responder where sticker program, which is a sticker on the bottom right hand corner. This is just a flyer for the revamped these the ways that people can register online and they can call in and kind of adds to this. We vet every year. My grace. He has a certain individuals from Jfrd will call if individuals and get people registered also put this on a Jax ready yet to remind people to register for a revamp. Additionally, the art Jacksonville, the Pepper Project Safety Initiative and also center for autism and related disabilities. They all have programs currently in Duval County. And Lasses jso Care track program. That's a gps technology assistant program to track and quickly locate individuals if they go missing another successful program. So just kind of you know, the goals for the next meeting. Before we go to closing, it asks in progress. So data collection effort for retention ponds. It throughout Jacksonville. So according See o j Technology Solutions, GIs division and Saint John's River, Water Management district to gather that information and to get the map locations. And also we want to understand the rules regulations. We already did a deep dive into that. But it's so many rules regulations out there. So we want to make sure that we're tracking what those are. Research and programs throughout Florida. So I know we've already put request to Tampa, Orlando and Miami, but talking to some additional partners in a room. There's some additional request. What the state of Florida and throughout the country, there's no reason for us repeat or 2, you know, whatever mistakes happen, all the communities we want reinvent the wheel. We want to, you learn from other communities and hopefully some of strategies here in Duval County. And we also want expand the working group, identify key stakeholders and partner agencies. You know, yesterday we put his power point together. I think we had like 16, 17 partners and just within the last 24 hours, we had 3 different positions jumped on board. So as word gets out as the media push this out. People are hearing they want to be part people volunteer the part because this is incredible initiative. Obviously we have a problem. Duval County. So everybody's jumping on board to be part of this. On a condo. Hannah, back to Any questions you have us, the working group, but then also my question asked of the committee is with what we presented today. Is we on track what you guys want to see what the working group. If you guys want to pivot us to pivot a little bit with the working group, we will. I didn't mention it. But we meet ups. Weeks of this committee. So next Friday at 10 o'clock, we do an in-person meeting at the oc with a virtual option forward to working members and we'll have an agenda will go through. I think COUNCILMAN Guy, you're on it last week as very productive. Like I said, we met for an hour and after was off, we stood for another hour and a half in the Yellow Sea and just had a great discussion about Kate communication, for example. You know, if we see this before end of NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, you know, if we want to have robust plan, is that something we want to in DECEMBER what he won't do it gently ferry before the peak months would want to do both. You know, what does that look like? Is it doing a stand-up with the committee in the working group doing a big media standup? Is it big social media push? You know, this young generation lot of people don't watch tv. They're all social media. Is that what we want to do? Also? You know, there's a lot of community engagement events that my shop goes to every week do want to leverage those community engagement events and partner with working groups to go out there and get that message out. But the free swim lessons, all the issues that we're having to get people to be part of this. So with that, I'll hand back to you, sir. Thank you for great presentation. I learned a lot about that before we >> My colleagues asked questions about his presentation. If you choose to speed on the public comment session, make sure you for a lot of green speak a car right now. I have no green speak of cars and I want to be weighed in on the speaker cards Call up. So just make sure you fill them out and put them on the table right there. So make sure we get to right after q and a Kathleen. Yeah, you want to Thank you. You're recognized. >> Thank you. As chair of quick question on the does drownings in the zip codes or any of these related out of any of the beaches? >> 2, yes, sir. Can get back to that. Slow. Right Jacks Beach area is really that that it trip that top 3 in zip codes down there to the lower portion of the county. >> Okay. So the 3 to to 6 and a 3 to 2, 1, 8, That's me in that on the north. Give Denise area. So I didn't know any of those were. Relevant to in in the The You can any any of the beaches as well when it takes a little bit on >> I know a cap of North 7. That's me. I don't have that with couple that I can send it to you. He broke down the last 2 years old, exact location. So zip codes addresses time age so I can send that to you. I think I sent it to the COUNCILMAN Gaffney so I can send it to the group. >> And I think that be helpful is kind of a open and to see the number And so this is that we've had and in our rose, it goes up there. Thank you. >> Thank you guys presentation. And and I want to echo COUNCILMAN Gay sentiments. You know, the sea pretty much 3 zip, Kohl's dominate. You know, these drowned and says it's just ope, you know, I guess. You know, it brings me to question. And I don't know if we had announced that it why these vehicles, you know, cause pause all around Jacksonville. But lot event goes another thing that stood out in his presentation. Was that obviously males, you know, you talk about these autistic kids, you know, predominant was 73% was males. You know, another thing. I mean, we are in a notice. At least I think I noticed, you know, of the 10, you know, I was that was kind open as well. You know, so. Going for, I guess one of the things we got to think about the committee that task think about. If we know that these districts, these areas is problematic. You know, maybe identifying upon us. And least are here. I mean, I think we need to start all across obviously right. But Ali star. And these vehicles. And maybe. Identify. Some of these ponds. You know, the slopes. I don't know signage. The lighting. Anything else might be problematic. You know, I what is scenes from the data that we have? You know, we a leaf. And prevention cities, possibly p# # cut issue a half. That's COUNCILMAN Gaffney Kuzma Gay. >> You didn't know that met when I said Weise for another hour and a half after working meeting, we had that conversation. I mean, this information is is alarming. You know it to the point we don't need to wait until the end of NOVEMBER. 30th, if we know when we look at this data safe, it's these kids are, you know, thought or just getting out of doors on polls. Can we not partner good. One of the competition committee partner with Home Depot, Lowe's initiative with them when they provide locks in a stall locks to these doors, you know, so there's no reason wait until DECEMBER to do this. So there's been other recommendations. That's importance of this working group. We want to get the data and 2 point Kuzma Kathy, we want to get that but that going to drive what we do. We don't have to wait until DECEMBER. I think some of this stuff we can start doing as we get to that law department. That's great point. It was alarming. The seasonal, you know, from the messaging. You know, we know if it's APRIL MAY JUNE JULY, the messaging peas, can we not do say now, but also because some people have life holidays, they forget about some of these initiatives programs. Do we not do it again? JANUARY FEBRUARY? We do robust community, you know, stand up and push it out again. So people know as it goes into the spring summer months that these programs exist and they can use these programs for the kids or for, you know, say for themselves. After that, we saw some adults that were drawn into. So it's not just for that, the group that while we're here, but it's really the first group of individuals that are drowning in Duval County. Hope that answers your question, One of the things that I think I made some maybe you did mention it. >> The best practices from other cities and counties and maybe you mentioned maybe a day. If you down on that, I MAY be. Do we have any? Yes, sir. So we reach that. We don't have it yet was reached out to Orlando, Miami and Tampa yesterday. When we met there's there's been outreach. Other communities. >> So yes, are we going to get that information? And as I said earlier, you know, we don't need to reinvent the wheel as things have happened on the committee's of his successful, we'll million will take some of that, you know, saying and try to institute here in Duval County. And that's the goal. And if there's things, you know, and once again, we don't need to repeat mistakes. Those communities made some mistakes. We know we'll try not to use and here in Duval County, but, you know, every cities as little different. So yeah, starting question where leverage in those communities. I think we get some additional reports. In the meantime. >> Okay. If you got to focus on and then also have a 5 year. You over view makes as well. >> And so wait for ceo Jay Leno Solutions, GIs team and also Saint John's River. Water Management District to kind of map. As I mentioned, the those ponds, retention ponds. So I think those 2 working together for at the emails, both organizations, but it's been a labor intensive, as Tyler said. So that is going to be an additional data dump that the working group will look at. Hopefully by next meeting. We'll push it out days before. So working group process that data and start talking because I want to wait to send it to him that day. They don't don't have time to analyze and give recognition on the Senate. You say well, in fast of next Friday's meeting so they can process and give us recommendations at the working group meeting. >> One of the you got to focus on. I'm not sure if I heard or not. I guess a list of city versus private ponds. And if we could get, you know, know we talked about it last me and some I think 1100, maybe 1400, I think the long. But we could get. It says that number. I know it's difficult, but we have to get a list of his ballpark figure versus private ponds versus atl. You know that now will be great, too. Going for this week as well. >> Yes, it was just at the mercy. Those 2 organizations just mentioned. We push that never requested them. So hopefully I know bandwidth, you know, but we pushed that to him. Hopefully we'll get that data soon so we can look at it and then tasked working Some information on that just >> COUNCILMAN Plumber, you're recognized. >> Thank you, chair. I just want to expound on the question and we do have this lab for some advice to the gender disparity. And so this is coming from not research that I've done, but what we would call actually research observational data. And so as someone who has worked with students with autism. The majority of the students and the guy to the students who have autism are male. So that's probably why you have more incidents with males in this particular case as opposed to female the autism diagnosis is typically mills of the predominant gender that have diagnosed with autism. Thank you to and amend this clock. Maria, think you mentioned last committee meeting about Duval County Public schools. >> We reached out. I don't know if their partner committee yet, but we definitely talked to them to get, you know, saying be part of a working group. >> COUNCILMAN Gay, you're recognized. Thank you, chair the to tilt the door alarms of, you know, reference them in there. What is the of the requirements and parameters of having door alarms as it is now. >> To again, I don't know that answer, but it's something we'll dig into, sir. >> And I would like to look at the I know pools have to be fenced MR. Law MAY be able to answer the b and it's a public works. Are saying if if the polls have to be financed with a door alarm or is it one or the other the you through chair to Kuzma Gate. If you look at mic for next meeting. >> promise you. That's what we want identify all the rules. Regulations around pawns pulls everything, going to have answers for the committee by next Problem is the one I would like to look at is what is the parameters of the guy. >> If door lawns are required. >> Of if it's also if a pawn is within a certain dimension, if it would be required as well. So just as as basically protection that we can get out there and just like fund, those parameters. >> Yeah. Starting to add to that brought something that we've we've requested from Saint John's River Management District is some risk factors with those retention ponds, like, you know, the premiers we is 1000 feet close to school 1000 feet close to a playground. Those different things and they don't Is that risk factor in I'm saying is that maybe what strong kids, those ponds, you know, and to additional to pools, we know that's the higher number. So we want to really do a deep and and analysis all that information and they will present to the committee, right? And so you chair is basically looking at >> parent or guardian that gets distracted. >> alarm goes off as soon as that door opens protection. Got to listen. The working group Kuzma Gay work. It was so excited when we met but they got was a skit. The data, you know, say because I just don't want to lose track Matthew. This is all point information. >> But those questions are being posed by the working group. And I think we have the right people part of our work group to kind of bring up Get you to have those answers next meeting. I said yeah. I do have a question gc. >> Is that a policy decision? I'm just going as I hear that. Let's just say kids a little autism, but some type of development, this ability that we can write legislation. I guess, mandating that. And I don't know how you want phrase it, every kids, we could mandate that they have. Locks on the to have. You know, tough question. But, you know, if that's something that we possibly could do, the legislation policy. >> I'm happy look into that question. Further. But I do have some kind of legal red flags waving. But let look into it and get you a substantiated answer. >> The COUNCILMAN Gaffney earlier, I think that question we get the hopefully we get some defamation, other cities. They MAY addressed that so that maybe give us some answers that we can trust. You see. MISTER Chair. >> All right, that we had a solid questions for you guys. I really appreciate for the presentation. Thank you so much. >> All I am so sorry. I can see not in the queue size that we do have a question for mayor is a minister administration Joanne days, but you have floor. Thank you, chair through the chair to MR. And Tyler, first of all. >> Thank you, Tyler, for for your time. And northeast Florida Regional Council name that we've heard in this chamber over the course of the last 6 to 8 weeks. Can see the value that they provide to the city. I would also suggest that this is one of the great things the city government where there is a problem and government has the opportunity to bring together the 2, 3%, of the answer that each of these organizations holds in their in their pocket and brings it all together. And one group to actually, you know, solve the puzzle here. So I'm really grateful. And I hope that that the council members see that their work is being recognized by the community. You've got 2 dozen organizations that within the course of 10 days have come together and already started to provide information so that you guys can connect. And i think that's that's very powerful. I do have a a question regarding the revamped program, which would John Mind in their of this issue or chief golden to be a bore, jeopardy be able to describe a little bit more about revamp. I know when you all talk to me in my office about it, it was new to me. I think it would be helpful. And if there'd be a way, maybe take advantage of I know when the time changes each year, y'all go out and like smoke you know, outreach if we could maybe take advantage of a NOVEMBER I think we fall back some time. First part of NOVEMBER. Take advantage of that. Maybe, you know, push them sign up into that revamp. I think that could be a good, you know, early step. Absolutely. >> let me add. So we have lieutenant from jso and protective so that we partner with the program. So if you go to a plea page, 18, what it says jso revamped program. So it's no cause volunteered Acacia program that aids in the safe return of individuals that MAY be endangered, vulnerable or MISS. And with cognitive and memory impairment or sensory disabilities. Credit program of or take them out. If you guys want to come up the add anything for that. For you guys. Bust Yes, they do. So if you look at the next slide, this is the form. So if you look at that, they can register online. We put out Jax ready, good question our Jax, ready out. But also they can call. So it's a big media push that we push every year throughout the year. Captain Ricky Grace overseas this program, collaboration with jso. We do communicate human events to a point we do. We have this flyer. We push it on Jack's ready app. So it's out But to that point is out there enough, you know, all much. It's the second box and she's she's after that charge of our rebound for neighbor a man name and address. Please. >> Good afternoon to Neda Buxton. And that's just of are we them information its designed to acquire whatever Putin if the nation that the family needs us to know about their loved one. It tells us how to interact with their family member or what particular type of autism or cognitive that know, says that they MAY have what's the best way to start out to them? Their favorite places, location. And it also gives us an opportunity to reach out to their different schools. Aba therapies, people that will tell us more insight how we can better serve the family. Additionally, whatever information that they provide to us, we revamp is covered by hippa. So they don't have to worry about other people utilizing their information outside of First responder. >> Can I go in with the k 9 units, a kid. >> Okay. So in addition to the read that information, that information is a test or a caste system and basically that's the system. When you call in your address, phone number, all of the things associated with you, this information would be attacked to your phone number, your home address, your tag. In addition to the rebound, we also have a canine saying kid and the kid is good for 10 years and it basically a detective wouldn't on gloves, used a gauze and use that person bodies to it. It's a simple swipe on the side of the but area one, no one else has to it. So that it will bloodhound in locating that person. It will travel the path that they wonder. Additionally we have a resource that Riker the tracker is used by. Tell him entry, right? So tell them entry is the same. Waived that we use for cb. So and the dps system go down. We don't have to worry about that. We could still try a citizens in the community. And the track is for those that a little that goes beyond just having a cotton to that knows. But the ones that we know and we've identified that they need some additional resources. I try we can assist with tracking on the ground. I a drone unit as well as our air unit in all these resources are free. If you live in Duval County. Thank If you guys okay, look Captain Gray's overseas of Jfrd kind that some things. But we progress. >> Name address, please. >> Captain recovers Jacksonville Fire Rescue as he says, help oversee the jfrd side of revamp. In addition to everything else about has said we also use the information to help cut time off the actual search for individuals lope and those times where is the most dramatic and you have to get all the information from those parents. We already have that information. Upload pictures where the low too, what their triggers are. That cuts up to 2 hours, 2 to 3 hours officer it could down to about. >> Once we get the call 9-1-1. If you can get into my belief like fit. >> in addition to that it also helps us with our day-to-day rounds. If we know the person has a particular set of triggers and Trent, when it comes to dealing with the public and transporting individuals to our hospitals. >> Or >> just coming to them to to aid. It helps us to know how we approach people. And how that we work with the family and everything to to holistically. You know, better how the public. So with the revamp program, we do annual call outs to make sure that. A registry is up to date. Every 6 months we asked for additional pictures we know with younger children, they base their grow up, their physical features change different diagnosis has come about. We say that to say that we keep this program going just to make databases are up to date. >> I know. And let me add a few guys caught effective in capping grace mention. Usually specially vigil that autistic, we don't have hours. We have to mean the data showing we have minutes. So having a program like this and saying we know okay, they have Tennessee going hear this and that, you know, we have minutes that we dispatch jfrd personnel, jso personnel, drone units, canine all those resources already go into it. That's the value in this program. It's not ours. It's minutes that able to find these these kids so such a successful program. >> Thank Before recognize days with program initiative use, I guess and the latest drownings, the last 2 kids. >> It wasn't used on >> There's there and was not because those 2 kids were not signed up. So you have sound And we'll look at that. You know, that's a great COUNCILMAN. We'll look at that with a data. If you an individual not signed up, that's the whole communication plan. Push is get this information. But I've been here 32 the revamped. I worked jso now in this role. But these other programs, I was not aware of it. So I think we have to do a better job to get this information in Saint, not just one time, but throughout the year to our citizens. >> As the nba's you're recognized. Thank you. And that that is the point that we were driving detective lieutenant and Captain, GOD bless you. >> just thank you so much. And I just question Approximately how many families have signed up for revamp. 600 point. Yeah, 622. So we know that the universe is much larger than that. The universe of need is much greater than that. And what I heard was they're our trackers like an airtight kind of thing right? Gps. That could be incredibly helpful and alerting could be geo fencing there to all kinds of things that we could do. And I really think that this is our, you know, from my from my seat. This is a and excellent first step in getting families and individuals signed up for this in order to be able to to cut down response times. >> Absolutely. I think it and you mentioned and we talked about it. Those community getting best. I've seen jso at safety fairs. Jeffery, this safety fairs, talking about the revamped program and all these other programs. I just think we need continue to do that. And other platforms, social media, it's also for MR. >> All right. Thank you, guys. Appreciate presentation. So before we go public comment idea MAY wants era a move the minutes myself. So I want to recall prove I'm innocent. I'm a knife. And called a motion to call for motion to approve them in to midnight. Thank Appreciate it. So get a vote. All of a All right. Now, COUNCILWOMAN Mary recognized the question. >> Thank you, Chair, MR. Fact Live. You would come forward just whatever information you have. I know. Senate Bill 180 is it's it's like a shadow that looms over many of much of the work that we're trying to do. So if you could just touch on it. Expound on it just as much as you can tell us at this point and maybe those elements and we're working on that would not. What one, 80. >> So appreciate question. Michael Fact, lure Office General Counsel Gillis is also very familiar so she can chime in if I I leave out any thank so sb 180, limit us on how we can regulate. Or impose new restrictions on development going forward that the current things better in place, they're fine, but we cannot create more restrictive policies going forward. It is not viewed as the statute we interpret it. It's not concerned with the purpose that we're trying to do. Obviously, this is a very laudable purpose that we want to protect the health and safety of our people. It's the fact an impact. It has. On the developers in on those new regulations. So even if we say, look, we're here to save kids. That's great. Developer is going to come along and I don't care what your goal is. Unlikely judge would follow up on that. Don't care what your goal is. You're actually impacting developers aired, go. You're getting Sideways with sb 180. So it's not something that we can get. We can certainly work with you. And we advise on risk as part of this process. And we can certainly work with you to try to minimize the risk, but creative drafting will be unlikely to eliminate the risk that we are violating sb 180, going forward. McGillis anything else to add. >> believe that the key phrase that Mr Factor hit on government actions. Senate Bill. 180 does not prevent voluntary actions like, well, you're just talking about the revamp program. And if these families voluntarily sign up is not a government mandate, if they voluntarily allow say Home Depot to put alarms on the doors. That is not a Senate bill. 180, Senate bill, 180 prevents the government from restricting development at this point and it is under litigation. >> And to follow up with that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Gillis. If we have a policy that encourages voluntary cooperation and their grant dollars are some other incentives to the public. That's not violative up sb One ad. It's a requirement or a mandate from us that would potentially be problematic. Count >> But the fact what will you up? So? What have we? I propose legislation where proposed legislation would a community. 5 petitions. I get 50% of petitions to put a fence around a pond. So even know. All right. And legislation. I'm not mandate I'm putting putting the ball in community subdivision. And say, listen, you have to get 50% petitions. They get this gate so. I didn't mandated the hull of an idea. It was pretty much write legislation. You have to get a guest petitions. >> to the committee threw chair the first of all, applaud your creativity >> on my feet. I'm gonna give an off the cuff response that we can think about the concern I would have is you're creating an avenue to allow more restrictive mandate. And so therefore, if the people there were to sign the petition and go that route, then they would be pulling the levers so to speak, to make it more restrictive. And the new restriction is potentially in violation of sb But we're happy to look at it, I guess is is a long and short of it is is off the cuff. I think we would look at it. We might have some reservations. And again, it's a risk analysis says. We think it's likely or unlikely to violate sb Is the best we can do for you if you can. If you can combat. What is what answer to that question? >> That's me. And will be great council. Kathleen Gay coming across. Mr, recognized, MR. Chair to MR. Is there an avenue of >> 4 getting away from the developmental aspect of it and more into the life safety. Aspect of it. >> 2 COUNCILMAN Gay through the committee. That kind of goes to my first point of >> the purpose of it is secondary to the impact is certainly life safety is the goal. If it has the secondary impact or has the ultimate fact of being a restriction or a tighter regulation on the development. That's what we have to focus on, right? I think that's more of an avenue instead of trying to get into the developmental aspect of it. Restriction of notice that that has what it is sb 180, where. The fire marshal. He's got a a bite of the apple of their approval that if we can get that Avenue there. I think that maybe are better better option to be able to do Thank you. And just real quick through that committee to councilmen gay. Certainly something we can look at kind of do an analysis of how that gets there and maybe help work our way there to to minimize the risk as much as possible. Happy to work with you. Thank you. Chair. >> I'm hesitant to ask the question, but I'm going to ask anywhere anyway and guy list you can answer is well, if you know. As the city. Been sued by anyone in regards to retention ponds that we know hours. >> So it's like it wasn't like if there are any deaths, any. Accidents in Miami when I say accidents, I mean vehicle going in to attend to pause as we know that happened all the time. Have we been sued? I have any current living through community to to COUNCILMAN Clark. I'm not aware of any I could certainly work with risk who would ultimately handle that. They have a lot of codes and so forth that might be able to drill down the data. >> To tell us if there has been one involving a retention pond, what that case look like. But off the top of my head, I'm not aware of Miguel. Us might. Recall one from her days in tort. >> I am not aware of any, but >> litigation over ponds that by the city. And it would surprise me if there had been because law that surrounds tort liability for Ponds is very tough. There's very few examples of exceptions that Grant tort liability for these ponds. It's not like. Thank you for responses. So of course, I've been looking at. Cases where there been children who drowned in retention ponds that are owned by apartment complexes that I was looking at. Those. >> Those elements that they used to determine. Negligence, foresee ability the different duty standard. So in order to grab some legislation so that we can perhaps. Or this is fine line right here Hold someone accountable because I'm I'm thinking also 2 ways. If they're not looking at, they're not maintaining those ponds. And once again, the idea is that it is about safety children because the way the regulations that I've read this far read it is what it's the idea that adult who gets into one of the retention pond, whether it's a s# # or it's a drop that has to have a fence that somehow cognizant to be able to get themselves out. Children will be cognizant to be able to get themselves out. So this is it's a lot and it's going to be a lot. And so there are multiple aspects that need to be examined. The other thing I was looking at is that we have public housing and I love all of public housing. If we as a city we own 80 or if it's just the state that owns the housing. So let's just say, for example, you have any. Child who lives in an apartment complex. That's managed by the state owned by the state and federal federal funding. There's a latch back porch that parent has reported repeatedly to maintenance. Hey, you need to fix this, led to defense fix this latch and there's a retention pond that's outback. And so they have not done their due diligence. And so that child gets out you know, before you knew at that house and the retention pond and a child is now a fatality. And so who do you hold responsible? I legislate so that we're able to get. E the public housing to a point where they make sure that those latches are latched so that the kids can't get out. Second thing I was reading about one case that, of course, we know 90% of the legal cases. They don't go to before a judge. They settle. The 2 cases that I read today. They did settle and in settling one of the aspects that talk about was the this parent was astute enough to say. My child. We want I know I have a toddler. I want to live on the second floor of this apartment complex. They I don't know what the financial situation was, but the management did not adhere to their wishes. And so they had an apartment that was at the on the first floor and there was a retention pond in the back of of the apartment complex and lone behold. That's what happened with the toddler was that lot that day as maintenance to fix. They didn't fix it get out. But into the There's so many elements in so many aspects. You. Those are some of the things to assist. This net is not getting the cat what we throwing the net. He's not getting small. It's getting wider. Okay. Thank you so much for that in fact, know the legal aspects are very, very tricky. Thank you. Thank you. Chair. Thank But the fact appreciate it. >> Before we I guess what we're doing. That's where app Ablett comments. And then I guess we're wrapping up and see what talking about in this meeting. So we do have 2 Comment cards and you guys to get 3 minutes come up state, your name address and the first will be dot village. Diversity in aquatics. Name and address. Please. >> Hello, everyone. My name is DR. Marion Lynch and my address is from Alexandria, Virginia. Actually for >> I just want to say thank you all for this form here. Thank CHAIRMAN Gaffe the as well as we talk about writing prevention for those that don't know me. My face is new in this public space. But our work is not new here in Jacksonville. I am director of diversity in Aquatics is a nonprofit committed to reducing at drowning and expanding water safety. But I also come to you as a coach of the only hbcu with the swim and dive team and and educator who is putting forth a large comprehensive water safety program in Fairfax County, which is one of the top 10 or largest school districts in our country. I also am coming from a perspective where I understand what has been done and I'm grateful for the task force that is here today to do so because it is taking an all-in approach to water safety and especially with their autism community. There are says the cdc reports that morning affects nearly half of a statistic children and drowning is the leading cause of death following wandering. And when someone who MAY wander go missing nearby water, including pools, ponds, drainage canals, retention ponds. This should be us a priority and we need to go beyond just parents. You need to sign up for the information, but rather how do we get the information out to our communities? That is why for us in Fairfax County, we are taking this all in approach to incorporate in our schools, but not only our schools, but key stakeholders into this who are from the community who are trusted individuals. I'm I'm very happy to hear from the task force of the of those in the revamped program. But here is the problem. The problem is that we can't just do it through a flyer and depend on people to sign up on their own individually. We have to consider there are historical barriers. There are trusts barriers when it comes to signing up or getting the information that is out there, too many of these free programs that are afforded for in this community. So for us is that and not only that, I appreciate council Clark Marine what she was talking about. The story of the 2 year-old and knowing the latch and knowing what you could do as part of your H.O.A. And the powers that you have within your H.O.A. To demanding more safety protocols and having a community voice. So that is something that I'd like to add in here is that. Being able to go beyond just having the approach on give it that. Just like if we second snackable to speak. >> Beyond just being the responsibility of the individual, but being the responsibility of all of us in this community to having that approached towards water safety. >> Thank you. Thank you. Before you go, this is kind of out on the docket, a math and with so you drove down Virginia becomes beat today. Be here today. Yes, I I would definitely appreciate that thought is make sure we >> so it is that important. Just to let you know, Florida is the leading state when it comes to drowning in our country this year. Exponentially in 2000. 26 is that you have the highest rates, not only my work with diverse and products. We also work on the National Water Safety Action Plan. And our concern is as Florida has an opportunity here and I came all the way down here because Jacksonville, you have all the resources. It is putting them all together towards being a model for others around the country. Thank you, Hugo, MISS Andre. Make sure add to the task force as They Mrna Smith. I know are innocent. >> All right. Lit MISS. On up. Name and address. >> Thank. Thank you very much. Good afternoon to you all on the committee and those in the audience and awesome information that was presented today. >> So I've been looking at the issue of time what we call retention ponds for name and address. I name and I didn't 17. 0, 7, I-seventy Street. Well, at my address file something, do Thinking about this for over over time particularly as we have have more more. Seemingly at least in of our young kids. Drowning. And part of it has to do. And we talk a lot about. And I'm going somewhere this retention ponds. But there's also something called a d tension pot. And so the question. In my mind, ms, what are the regulations? What drives what drives the permitting up detention pond as opposed to a retention I know it has to do a storm, water storage and things like that. Detention pond. Actually does at some point become dry as opposed to the retention ponds that are all ways. What? And so. I'm certainly going to time. Certainly of the my constituents in back to tie see in NOVEMBER. The discussing what the state will. As I know we're talking about private property rights and things like that. But there has to be. Has to be some wake from the city and city officials in terms of what what is the requirement? Probably is to him? Do they look for that? It that what is a requirement to have a detention pond? Or retention pond? And can we control? That detention? Ponds are more in residential areas as opposed to. Retention ponds, which are all ways what? Our water field and also what can we do? Is there a way to at pumping systems too? Retention? Retention ponds? And that will. Help the water to flow. And I know water management. Control, but there has to be away that. Saving lives. Canned. Hat, take precedent over at a drier away. Retention pond. Be looking into. That's one of the things I'm going to be looking I will lean too. This. MAY be the most like the I I will lead to your committee and certainly presenters. On how we can go about it without violating. Sb 180 Harris rules or whatever its call to save our to save our kids. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. We really appreciate it. And as you all see. >> If you voted let you, I think, you know, one of things that you guys can do me and and maybe you can amend the bill and I'm not sure you could you come and if you say, it out. The government is be weighty. So I you know this, maybe we need this. Maybe we need to speak with the delegation, you know, in terms of the mandate, this state bill, 80. We have to find out. But you brought us some great You know, I'm not sure if Stickler, you know that, you know, in terms of retention ponds versus the tension pond, you know, going for, you know, it's a drop on, you know, maybe we could utilize that. I don't know. You know, so, but the that's one of things I would like discuss. I would MISS Me in, you know, versus the tension pond versus retention ponds. But meeting was productive. You know, I learned a lot, you know, one of things that I think it's still bother me is that most of the kids drown isn't isn't 30 to 1, 8, 32 to 6, you know, so. That's right. Now that you are, you know, so that's that's definitely staggering. So we definitely take deeper look into that. But in terms of well, meeting and I'm gonna get my colleagues operate on something as we close, you know, like I we definitely want to take MR. Fact leeway here yeah, I would like know that this in a bit age, you know, on 80 and turns of the petitioner out, you know, I know you say is kind of sticking point, but if option, you know, I would love to get more clarity on that. You know, so as Nina also detention, ponds versus retention ponds. Also a task force, you continue to identify the last 5 years. Gaps in place. You know, in terms a special enforcement, existing new ponds, maintenace, you know, we haven't talked about the maintenance. So keeping up with these ponds and things of that nature. We also need to discuss our problem. Ponce versus Iowa public cause. So these are some of things that we need discuss. And that's me in colleagues that I MISS Anything. I want to add something before you know during this meeting. I want my left we we good that I MISS Anything. For some that I MISS Anything. All right. On this meeting will be I don't have a date in front me. But with the date for when it go ahead? If every 2 okay, OCTOBER 7 threw that out for you guys. And thank you for coming.