Off-Site: Community Workshop Application No. 26-CW-08 Discussion of a Minor Conditional Use (NO LIVESTREAM BROADCAST)

going to read right certainly very quickly pledge of conduct. We may disagree, but we we will be respectful to one another. We will direct all comments to issues. We will avoid personal attacks. >> And there are no changes to the order of the day. >> Okay. Next item is approval of the draft minutes. We have 2 of them. So we'll start with the minutes from the April 14th 2026. Meeting. I make a motion approved it Tuesday. April 14th 2026. I second the motion. >> And majority. Okay. So they're moving on to the May 12th 2026. Minutes. Make a motion to approve that Tuesday May 12, 2026, minutes. I second that. Consensus. Thank you. All right. Is there any citizen this time not related to the items on the agenda? No, ma'am, no one signed up. All right. We're going to move into our judicial hearing items. Let's start. I think you're going to do an introduction to the judicial hearings and swearing in of the public. Perfect. There's one public hearing on today's agenda that is a quasi judicial hearing. >> These proceedings are more formal than legislative hearings. The decision needs to be made based on competence, substantial effort in the record, there are parties to cause a judge hearing which include the applicant, the City of Sarasota and those people who apply for and qualify for affected person status. The party, 7 opportunity to present evidence in the form of documentation. Testimony and expert testimony to cross examine witnesses and to present a rebuttal closing argument before we begin board members must indicate if they've had any ex parte communications with the parties to the hearing, communications include written and spoken communications on the hearing. Subject matter that may have taken place outside of the public hearing and also any investigations site visits where the silla solicitation of expert opinions undertaken by board members. The purpose of disclosure is to add a record of these interactions into the public record and to make a distinction. This meeting in that we have entered into the public record, a real record of for individual site visits by board members and that again is interred entered into the record already. So I will now ask each member to disclose any ex parte activities and communications that they have had outside of that site. Visit and oh, start if I may, with member heart. Missile down E. Well, you'll notice in the past there's a memo that I wrote in recommending the historic designation, this resource. >> And so I'm tension or to the public. >> Considering that, are you able to render a fair and objective decision? I am. Thank you Miss Harris. No other communications, Mister Frangie. Now and Mister Gonzales. So great. Thank you. There is one person was applied for affected person status for this hearing. Victoria Gunther, I recommend that you grant them affected person status as they meet the criteria for residing within 500 feet of the subject. Property with your agreement. They will be given 5 minutes to share how the decision of this board will affect them. thank you. The order of the hearing will be as follows. The applicant will be allotted 15 minutes to make a presentation following the presentation. You may ask questions of the applicant after which store turn to their seats. Staff will be allotted 15 minutes to make a presentation followed by questions and each affected personally brought to the dais individually and a lot of 5 minutes to speak. They may also be asked questions then any members of the general public who wish to speak will be allotted 3 minutes each at the end of the above. There will be time provided for rebuttals. Each party will be allowed 5 minutes to rebut any other party statements if they chose to do so. The affected persons will have the opportunity first followed by staff, followed by the applicant and the chairman close the public hearing and the board will begin discussion in voting and now issue the oath for all parties and citizens will speaking during this hearing. If that includes you, please stand and raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the evidence or factual representations, which you're about to give to the historic preservation board at this public hearing held the 9th day of June are truthful. Yes, you may be seated. Thank you. If you can. >> Okay. So the item on the agenda is 26 '07, demolition of locally designated historic residence at 908, Avenue. And if the applicants with please have a seat. And then go ahead and introduce yourselves and the mic. Good afternoon. I'm news and you can Sileo an attorney with Williams, Parker. I'm Kinsey Chadwick owner. >> Connor Chadwick owner. May go ahead with the presentation. >> Okay. So again, my name is Amy can Sileo an attorney with Williams Parker. I'm here alongside a tense encounter chat with the owners of No. >> We're here today. I'm requesting approval for certificate of appropriateness to demolish the 2 structures that are currently located on the property. The first one you'll see here is the main structure facing Pablo And the second is the garage slash apartment take structure that is detached from the home. Before we get started today. Just want to recap the materials that were provided in your package. The others have done a great job as many experts. An expert reports together as they can. We've got an engineering report from snow, engineering and historic structure survey from kci. We have a mold and moisture report. Construction and restoration estimates that include renovation and rehabilitation of the 2 structures as well as a new construction estimate. We have a salvage assessment and mitigation plan. We have e-mails in support of the demolition from neighboring property owners and we also have a letter of non ensure ability from the traffic's insurance broker. structure right now. Thank you all can see. It's very clearly not sure of all before we begin just want to let everybody know that I am not an engineer. I do not have any type of degree in history, preservation or architecture. So going to focus on what I know, which is the code and the criteria under an applicant can request demolition of a historic structure. I'm going to try not to regurgitate the information that you are. have simply because I might sound a little silly pronouncing some of these technical terms wrong. But we're going to go through the criteria which are on the screen for you here. They're 7 criteria, which I'm sure you are all aware of. The first 3. I'm going to give a little more detail on and run through the last 4 at the and explain how our materials today help support each one of those criteria. So the first one is the historic or architectural significance of the structure, this house or this property was historically designated in 1994. It was originally called see or read Augustus Wilson home. If you have read the report from a CI, you will see that originally was thought that red constructed the home. But that does not appear to be the case. The home was constructed by an Elijah Grantham who then sold the property to Augusta spokesman. Justice Wilson was a state senator. He was also sarasota's first tax collector and a postmaster out in old Myakka. One of the very telling quote that I pulled out from the ACI report was as follows. The building retains its historic integrity of location, but has experienced alterations and additions. However, the building was not designated for its architecture. And while the building does possess interesting characteristics and features, it does not possess architectural significance. So we do have historical significance here because of Mister Wilson, but we don't have architectural significance. And one other comment I will make as Mister Wilson appears to live in the property from 1919, to 1931, his family did keep the property for a little bit of time after 1931, which is when he passed. But it was used as a rental home. The second criteria is the importance of the structures. The out of the district as you know, if you were at one of the site visits or are familiar with the area, there is a new construction to the Northeast, the Southeast, the south, everywhere you look over there you see new construction. We have believe 3 support letters from neighbors to demolish his property. We believe that this structure as it stands today, really distracts from the neighborhood doesn't really contribute to that historic on the ons of the neighborhood in its current status that Chadwick's are dedicated to constructing a new home that does fit within neighborhood compatibility. They are not flippers. They are not developers. They are not going make a big white box. They want a home that is going to belong in the community and contribute to the community. 3rd criteria I think is the most relevant to our situation here today. And that's the difficulty or a possibility of reproduction. In the report from snow. when I was there at the site visit on the 3rd with Miss Harris, I remember the engineers saying this isn't a situation where we can renovate our we have the structures. This would be a full reconstruction. And I also remember him saying you're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars just to fix the foundation. The report show widespread termite and water complete or near-complete structural integrity loss. Even the new framing that was installed was installed incorrectly. So to quote, the report from based on the observed structural conditions of the main house and garage. Last guest house, including significant degradation of primary structural systems in anticipated need for comprehensive removal of finishes and reconstruction of major element. It is our opinion that to building's cannot be reasonably restored to their original condition. The magnitude of intervention required with substantially diminished the integrity of the remaining historic fabric resulting in reconstruction rather than preservation. I've included just a couple of pictures to Pat. I feel like we're the most jarring to me as somebody who does not have an engineering architectural background. The first one is the side of the home that is we're really leaning. I think every corner of the home had rotated slightly. So this is one of the more dramatic corners. And then the second picture is where you are. Installed number has no connection to the So the quick fixes that the prior owner tried to do to keep this place habitable it simply won't stand the test of time. And it's not fixable at this point. As remaining criteria, the first one is is the structure one of the last remaining examples of And the answer is simply This board prior boards have done a great job, preserving architecture in Sarasota, historic buildings in Sarasota and had this been a building that could be restored and preserved. This would be another one that would remain on the list. But unfortunately, based upon all of the information we have and that received from the expert. We just don't think that has historical or architectural significance in that it would be a good example of sarasota's history. Future utilization of the site. As I mentioned, the child, which are not for the they're not going to build a house and sell it. They want this to be somewhat of a forever family home. When I was there on Thursday, there was a little wooden and tell them I was going bring this up. There is a little wooden swing on the counter that I thought look pretty old. And I said, oh, did you find that here? I thought maybe they found an outsider. They found it in the closet. But know I brought that for child. So they're thinking long term. They want their kids to be able to run around in this property and live there you know, so the future utilization, I think is at its peak and you guys probably get developers and hear all the time or people who are going to flip these houses. And that's simply not the case here. Can reasonable measures be taken to save the buildings again, the experts have said, no, I'm you know, the in this goes into the 4 are the final criteria. Economic feasibility. The construction estimates that we've presented show that re having or renovating the property would cost over 3 times the new construction costs. And that's with out incorporating any of the secretary of interior design guidelines that they may have to follow that. Alicia, simply fixing what's wrong? I think fixing what's wrong and had price point of 2.73 million dollars. New construction was in the million dollar range. So we're talking a vast difference here. And I just don't see that anybody could make the argument that it would be economically feasible for these properties to be renovated. And so I just want to a conclusion point out that the Chadwick's have approached this thoughtfully. They've exhausted every reasonable effort. They've consulted with engineers, historians, contractors, they have carefully reviewed all of this material and, you know, we believe the only result is to demolish the structures that are currently on there and to build new. And we hope that with the board would approve our request for demolition. And I want to kind of transition over to such as with just to say a few words as to their background, their interest in historic preservation. And I think some of you had still been with Chadwick at the site visit about a project that they are currently restoring in Ireland. I'm Ken, we're very has sent to the city for you today because we are in the middle of restoring a 19 0, 3 home in Ireland. you know, is restoring it takes time, money and so we really thought that we take this house and buy it and how we came upon this house was we fell in love with it. And we're very excited to be in this area of Sarasota. And we decided to tell the owner that we could restore it. She had already found a buyer. And so it was bought and we were super sad. We had met Susan and asked her opinion in we become sad because we lost the house and then it came back on the market. We're so excited. We heard the deal fell through, but I'm the owner actually took it off the market and she said, I'm not selling it. I'm going for a demolition permit because this house is unstable. That was the owner of the House and we're like. >> Well, I know. Give us a chance. We want to say that. >> So she did. it didn't go back on the market, but she did a deal with us just because she knew our hearts and because of what we went through, Ireland run year 3 our Still going through. Yeah. And we love every detail and so we carefully thought about every expert we brought in. We we're probably in denial for a lot of the process of what we were told. Even our engineer said you won't like me. I'm never going to tell you to demolish houses. Said great. Your favorite person because we we want to hear how we can save this house. And when the costs came back over and over again and again, that's why we're sitting here before us because we simply can't afford it. So that's why we're here. We do believe in the integrity of the neighborhood. I hate when a modern boxes built. It drives me crazy. I I do want to honor the neighborhood. The neighbors we've talked to as many neighbors as we can meet as we could knock on doors as we can talk to to tell him our hearts to tell him what we were thinking and so that's why we're sitting here before you So thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you for your presentation. Does anybody have questions? >> You had mentioned that a or so original that will a pro about this when we were first put to That was the previous order request and then withdrew. >> I do think that there was some discussion with the contract purchasers at one point. So I don't know if they were the ones that kind of initiated some of this or if it was the Well, it just proves that you all did excellent >> yes, Publication I've seen professionals from the ice all right. could ask you to go ahead and take your seats. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> certainly of the of the quite you sign in the staff report that I went to reach the criteria trying to validate and opine on what was submitted by the applicant couple scrivener's things you'd see that on this is me on Page 3 of one. 36 under property information when the house was built that I had identified. The House Circa 1900 in the garage as Circa 1931. But later on went respect, speaking to the history, the property. I indicated on Page 61, 36 that I was not able to validate the a presence of theater or the Association of theater Red with the House. And that was later validated by the ACI report. So I just want to give some background to why had indicated that I wasn't able to cooperate that. I wanted to indicate that I had met with previous owner who's mother, I believe, was owned the House when they went through the designation and share with you that they had expressed to the city in writing their challenges not having the resources to make maintain the property, the fact that they couldn't ensure and so on. And subsequently I met with other interested parties who are looking to purchase it and loved the property. But it SOT is a tear down. And when I met with the Chadwick's last year. barely brought up demo when they basically just me. >> And explained that they done this and Ireland. This isn't going to be a We think we can handle this and now they're in front of us again, 7 months later. So just wanted to give some context on that. That very unusual for me to experience on sites. >> the last thing with regard to my recommendation, I indicated that and obviously this is for for the board to consider. But I recommended they do approve demolition conditioned upon the presentation of conceptual architecture and site plans for any replacement structures. I did that out of an me that statement out of an abundance of caution that someone could take property with the demo approval inflicted are slipping. The change it into 2. Lots. Well, I don't suspect that's the case for the that the applicants. That is something I wanted to out of an abundance of caution bring up is as an option as you read in the visit record. That question came by one of the board members and it was indicated by the owner that they didn't want to put the cart before the horse. That's why they're not bring you conceptual design. those are all of my remarks. Any questions for Susan? >> All right. Next, we have a presentations by affected parties and we do have one affected party submission, which is Victoria Turner Gunther the step forward. >> It's getting to be have it I was here last evening. This country, you have 5 minutes and start time. When you start Thank you. >> I heard the and read the information with much interest, my particular interest in this property has an infected person is that I share the back lot line of my home shares about 80 feet with with this property. I have observed care or lack of same of this property. Through the last 18 years that lived back in Sarasota. And I find it very unfortunate that this home has not been. Maintain to the level that it deserves. I do not personally believe that it is a tear down because I've seen many homes of this H. Watch them scream when. Machines come in and try to tear them apart because that heart pine and that old lumber has knitted together into a framework which is so so. Dense that it's hard to understand by today's building standards. Just exactly what stands there. And I've also noticed with termites that frequently termite damage is not to the central core structure of these buildings, but it's a more things that have been added to it, which are not termite proofed. Our pressure treated so that they would be vulnerable. far having new neighbors. I think that's wonderful. I have not had the pleasure of meeting with these people, but I'm sure that we will at least over the fence. Your concern about? The possibility of flipping. Sub dividing and flipping is one that I have held very close because I've observed it a lot in our area I know that this is something I wouldn't want to believe what happened. But I've seen it more frequently than anything else. I also heard for the first time that these this family is still involved in the historic preservation. Another property, which is an expensive and time-consuming effort. Very carefully at estimates. And it was very obvious that the one estimate seem too appeared to be a complete historic reconstruction, restoration. But everything that had originally been in the building was quoted as being rebuilt and recreated to include sinks and kitchen encounter. Thompson, everything that ever was in the building. And of course, this would be the very costly reconstruction, but not one that I think a modern young family would be interested in doing. And I don't believe that the historic designation forces this to happen. As far the property itself. It's a beautiful piece of property. The neighbors on both streets are all very, very nice people. I would hate to see it subdivided or build up to the edges like they're doing and so many places. Also, I'm very concerned about the trees that are on the property, the Lee G Tree, which is twice the height of this building is currently loaded with thousands of red fruit and the 9 Live Oaks which are in the front part of the property were planted by the shoulders it would be a real. Desecration to see them cut down. I believe the value of the garage is not necessarily. As significant as that of the main house. And I personally would think that if it were possible to tear down that part them more than half of the property would be available at this time to build another home. But I don't know how that works. I just wanted to express my. Concerns and my hope that the promises that have been made might be maintained. I'm sorry. I have lived too long. In Sarasota to honestly be able to take everyone's word, especially with no plans for another home. So that all I can say, I'm not implying that the people. That are requesting this are not being honest. Not at all. Perfect timing. that stay for just a moment. want to see if anybody have any questions. >> Were picked I thank you. Thank you. Okay. We're moving on to public comments and Aaron DeFazio, would you like to come down? I'm Erin DeFazio and the managing director for the Sarasota Lines for Historic Preservation. Thank you for your time here today in considering this application. I want to give kudos to the owners for restoring something in Ireland. That sounds incredible. And I'm gathering that they did not allow you to demolish that structure. And local designation needs to mean something. If this property were in Venice. It wouldn't be allowed to be destroyed if we're in Saint Pete, they wouldn't allow you to district some local register. That's considered a level of protection anywhere. Is the condition of the property suffering? Yes, someone should have intervened before it got to this point. We do need to have protocol and procedures to help property owners be better stewards of their homes. And maybe that's something that the sport can look into developing with staff's help. The restoration costs put before you exceed the amount that we have budgeted for the restoration of the calls and hotel. I would encourage you to ask the owners to explore more bids from presser from preservation professionals who actually have experience with historic buildings doing restoration work. There's no reason it should cost more than new construction. I am also happy to provide referrals if they need access to professionals. And I understand that it can be difficult to get insurance on an older, historic building, especially one that needs work. I'm not surprised to see a denial, but that does not mean that insurance is not possible. It just means you have to try a little harder. There are a lot of resources available and not for as well. Plus to the national trust. They have an insurance company that will provide insurance. So I just encourage you to think about the fact that this is an irreplaceable part of sarasota's history and that local designation needs to mean something. But we also know what happens when we tonight and they appeal it to the city commission. So maybe there's a way to move forward where you're asking them to dive back into the research. I know they put together a wonderful report, but baby getting in some numbers from contractors who? With the intention of preserving the house and not preparing paperwork that is designed to support a demolition. Might be something to think about. Thank you. Thank Okay. We've reached the rebuttals stage. So we're sort of working backwards now. Victoria, do you have anything else that you'd like to come up and say for about? and what the applicants like to come back up and speak to any of the comments of an 8. >> a comments as what was made here first >> MS Gunther with regard to the trees. I think we all know the city regulations in place with the trees. They're not going to be able to go in and cut down all the trees. They're going to comply with any type of mitigation requirements or regulations that the city has in place with any of these trees. just want to say, I can understand and appreciate not taking some buddies were all the time. When you see big monstrosities of being built every day here in Sarasota. So I understand her fear in saying, oh, these people are saying exactly what we want them to say. But this is actually the case here. And that's why one of the Chadwick's to come up and explain that they are currently involved in a preservation project. So that city the board and anybody here would understand that that's not their is not to come here. Get approval to demolish the property and then either or flip it or build something else. With regard to MS DeFazio statements that they should have explore more or worked with somebody who was more well versed in historic structures. They chose their engine ear because he originally told them he would not support demolition. He is a preservation enthusiasts as well. He's worked on historic structures and he wanted this to work just like they did. So was not a situation where anything was presented because it was the best look to the board. This is, you know, after months of due diligence, this is these in the materials that they put together. And the last thing that I just wanted to quickly point out Susan's recommendation about the condition about presenting conceptual I don't know how that looks practically. I don't know if that means there is going to be some type of approval process for the design or it would just prohibit a lot split. So I just had a some concerns there that if there's a out presenting a style, is there also an approval process or what that looks like? So we would ask today that it just the certificate of appropriateness would be approved without the condition. If I was just going mark what I've seen in the past on is that it doesn't have to be that the these upheld. It is a request to the owners to simply share with the board when they get to the >> design stage what they're planning >> Does that imply stay that is done? >> it doesn't have be. You. And for us, I believe you do have the ability for up to one year if you so chose but as I said, would have seen in the Sometimes the Borgia says we're going to prove this, but we'd like to see what you do. Plan on doing with the House with nothing tied to the approval as a result. Just a request. Thank you. Thank you. >> am officially closing the public hearing portion. have now reached the stage where we need a motion in a second in order to have a discussion. We get them. Make a motion to open questions about the presentation. You have to make the motion for. joy says of the 3 choices. She For your own choice. But that's just the What page is that you're I'd like to make a motion to find certificate and miss. 26 Dash Co for demolition of consistent with Section 4 Dash 8.18, be improved. Those demolition. No conditions. Several you. Yes, thank you, We have a second so we can discuss. We would like to start the discussion. >> I can tell you my house about the estimates I I thought they certainly excessive for the restoration that I couldn't understand them and the way that it was. I can understand the cost. I couldn't understand how it related to the I thought that the cost used for construction was grossly under estimated. I think those figures are. don't know how much you can rely on those if that's what you're making your decision. Not I I agree with everything that the engineer said. He's good engineer. I've worked with of your was you know? And I and I do believe that the houses it's it's been neglected for sure. And I and I understand. course, that it took to become neglected. and I don't know how you prevent something like that. Because someone became the custodian of the House who couldn't afford. To be up to you for the property. So it's a hard one. And there's not there's no mechanism place that says that can't happen. just happened. >> I mean, there is provision in the code to avoid demolition by neglect. But I don't know that that really would have been anything you know, from looking building on the >> And I don't think there's really a mechanism in place where inspections of historic homes are done on a regular basis to certainly not applicable for the duration of Elders. >> Right, actress Amy think it really was the digging into the walls that revealed the extent of the damage and getting underneath the crawl space that really showed how that it looked. And I think probably superficially just doing normal inspection. Purchase that you want calm any of those things. >> There's been his for me. I agree with you on really couldn't have an opinion about the restoration over we're a little foreign to me. What I do know that coastal vehicle search or anywhere in that area is that anywhere near higher than In any case, it's commitments. big commitment in both directions. What to part of the agreement the reasons the original designation that was done. But it wasn't because of the architecture that it was relationship a person of interest in the city. There's there's a couple of most of the specific structure that at this point, what's the name of the structure that Mister Wilson and have it? After all, the officials, want pick a There are some concerns that I have right know if that function as a as a point of conversation, too. So maybe this meant because of the lack of somewhere that this come about. So I don't know if there's a mechanism to. There keep the flag just It was even searching yesterday. If you can put it to play. That kind of to, you know. You can even see of this. But the original home of this person and have But this was the former Hull X Y Z Mister Wilson and something that takes you to keeping his available. There's also and just have never seen this request. There's historic number American buildings survey there's different levels of it. What you document. That's a possible COVID show. You know to have a document that record, Wolf, what's itself was there? Aside from the for Mister was sort of a recording? What was there? I do. wish there was mechanism for the board. Closer So they're biting the site. But that was a way to one of the conditions. Let's say just for discussion. with that. That building will the show too? They're so even any for that. But we can. So we don't like it when we say so. That be. So it's not prematurely. Demolished. Photo. We know what's going there. So thing to hold their sites from being able to be something But I do think that's that's their They want to. Sincerely just if their Also, I do real the trees. The trees are beautiful and they do it. But you also have plenty to build around courtyard 160 full. don't understand what a request. So >> Well, response to a few things you said Roberto, why but also concur with what Ramsey said. And and it seems that the prices were a little bit off to me as well. I do. But in talking about recognizing the significance of the structure. There is an historical marker program in Sarasota County. And I know that the Hudson has been looking into doing in historical marker for their neighborhood. So there might be an opportunity as part of mitigation, perhaps help that undertaking funds that undertaking. The county has an historical marker program. But last time I checked, it took a couple years to get a marker put up because they had a they only have flooding for about 2 workers. And so you can also on them if you want to So that could be part of the I believe, to apply That would be specific to the site. >> Yeah, guess it would have to be worked down. Maybe they have 2 sides talk about potentially. You could talk about the site on one side and talk about the neighborhood itself. There's a little public area right here. This house where the lift station used to be. And that might be a lot actually makes more sense than putting it at the house because you're like him. The general public is less likely to go down that dead-end street. Well, actually has been at the park. Yeah. The lift station is pretty close to the house to where the site The stations site, but it would be So that's something I can about Yeah. I certainly think the history of the site is more important. >> The structures that are on at this point, right? The physical representation. And their own flag. I understand what you're saying. Nobody goes down. But if I pass to and I saw and it was double sided and had enough of the history that you can understand the site. I would find that joyful and I would also say that it would be honoring the history of the site right? >> And when we talk about mitigation, you know, one the things I've noticed over the years is that. The city has sort of had kind of a standard mitigation treatment that is likable to every project really mitigation should be developed on the site specific basis. When you look at the resource to look at what's special about it, whether that be that street where the architecture, the people who build people who designed it and then. Accordingly develop mitigation program. So in this regard, I think that the market is appropriate perhaps more so than existing that Ation. >> Well, I I was particularly struck by the tour of the House and seeing how pretty much everything that's been done to the house is actually been to the detriment. The condition of the house moving forward and, you know, and I asked the question, you're right off the bat to the structure engineer because I am very suspicious of the structural reports that always lean towards demolition and you know it, it does come down to a matter of its. It's only money and anything can be done. And so. >> The idea that it would mean given the amount of wood rot and termite damage and the important aspect of the designation is is the envelope. You know, it's not all the rooms inside. It's all those beautiful pow doors that are still there and what it would to reconstruct that house because you you really could use a lot of those materials again. That that to me was like overwhelming, like, are we are we then still, you know, keeping the integrity of the House overall, if we have to go to that extent. And again, it's, you know, Heron mention the cost of hotel. It doesn't have the historic significance of the coast tap. You know, Wilson doesn't have his name on 50 streets and buildings, you know, throughout Sarasota to me, he's a minor player. So, you know, you have to practice. I have to be subjective about it and say that, you know that it's in the end, not worth that work to, you know, to get to a point that's not. High as high profile as some other projects that we treated differently. Anyone else comments. He said what I would say. I thought extreme differences. New build and restructuring. I do think this the scene. boat on the motion that's on the table. All Review. >> Yes, do. We build on that motion. That's on We deny it. And we put a new motion. No, we can decide to withdraw of the existing That's I think that And that would be the maker of motion currents going shun. >> So I'm going with. I will withdraw the of an approaching this with no conditions. >> will be stayed. We this. And this may need a little bit my case. I make a motion to find certificate of appropriateness. 26. That's the la Dash. 0, 7, >> For 908, consistent with sections. 4 DASH, 8, one, a B and approve the proposed demolition with the following conditions. But the owners are to marker. Designed to historical designed to. Last a certain number of years. And I don't know, have to can I say a 50 year platt 100, your I don't know what what the year. I mean, I think you could I think you could say. >> A permanent historical marker. >> That's not the standard. There >> is that like 25 your. >> to provide that a permit, a historical marker with staff approved narration of the history. relevant to Sarasota. And that the site. And displayed so as to allow the public access to the plaque. the only one that it still would like to. >> You know, approved the demolition 2. You know, they have go >> starting to something. So saying oceans, kind of giving it a little bit of a stay. Well. Design is going on. We so feedback can be provided. So review it conceptual level. Yeah, it would be an appropriate place in the process. >> What I like about that is it's it's setting a precedent. Because that, you know, that that problem of something being demolished in order to, you know, make the sale of a blanks. It easier. is something that's, you know, it's happening. And you know, this way. They're trying to things together right? And I think we have to be clear about whether presentation as Susan had suggested. >> Or use were you in room? If we have yeah. And I only go as architects. Probably are not really. I mean, possible for you to be designing someone That something a like spirits, right? I mean, we're not the planning Commission's served. Do we even have jurisdiction to do something? >> Yeah, I think what miss maul Dennis, just it is is spot on. And the demo permit could be approved. Once you have reviewed conceptual plans for the building. It's not contingent upon who works like approval and acceptance of those plants that really doesn't do it. if we if we don't. We say we don't like them publicly. >> How many lots are. There isn't one buildable lot where 38 technically it's not a full 2 lot. So they would have to go through the process of getting it. They would need a point to the record him. And I think given the motion and disagree. >> If you said with you. That that might be open, ended up to at least allow a dialogue back and forth you can continue. >> the delay, if you will. I we have the ability to delay a demo permit for a period of up to one end or request additional information. >> Yes, is that theoretically that we're all taking place within that year? I think you're you're covered. Yes. >> kind of had a question about that provision when we say that we could request additional information is that in the 12 I believe so. I think it was to be provided within that 12 months. wasn't those 2 together. >> So have you want to wear that? If you still want to make a second condition? >> The probably written an issue in early Was that us? >> It's on it's on page 2. Conditioned upon the presentation. A conceptual architecture and site any replacements structures. Okay. I know that we said and said the presentation. Conceptual architecture and site plans for any replacement structures by the. >> We're the board. That would be up to you. My staff and board. And yeah. >> I'm very open-minded design you may want to retain that review. okay. So we. Re re hoping to do I'm going to revise the conditions with the same original motion. The first condition is owners are to provide the permanent historical marker. With staff approve narration. Of the relevant Sarasota history of the site. And this plane. So as to allow the public access to the plaque. The second condition is. Approval the review of the conceptual architecture and site plans for a knee replacement structures. >> By staff and board. Miss Heres how the vote. We need a second. I'm so sorry. Who is the second? tell Thank Okay. Miss hairs. I. MS Muldowney. Mister Frank G I. Mister Gonzales. All right. And this hard, yes, the motion passes 5 to 0 to allow demolition contingent upon the fulfillment of the conditions. And I will follow up with attorney and shortly. >> OK, moving on to topics by board. Actually, think there's a discussion item. Do you have the oldest ally to appeal the gender? No trouble. Would you like me to announce okay so this item is simply for discussion discussion with MS Travis Kauffman, potential property owner and Central Coconuts, Historic District District regarding options for placement of an existing residents built in 1947. with the new two-storey residence. And this is very I that a cull discussion about options and an understanding for us to get a better understanding of the board's concerns and possible solutions. >> My name is Alex. I'm looking at purchasing this property of you guys side. I didn't bring a picture of it along with me. But basically my goal is to just try and get a feel from you guys is too. If what I would propose would be, you know, feasible or you know what sort of conditions will be in the I'm not sure 100% certain of what the difference is between. I know that it's not registered historic. It's a contributing structure to the historic neighborhood. So not sure. I'm 100% sure on on quite what the differences, I'd like to just sort of, you know, but in front of you, what what I'm looking, you know what I would be looking to build in you know, sort of show you the condition of the house and now I do have a background in construction. I'm kind you know, do know what I'm looking at. I did. You know, really just. Purchasing inspection. You know, I haven't quite, you know, dug in behind the walls and that kind of thing. But at any rate, so this would be, you know, sort of, you know, I have some conceptual drawings done. And then you put that into gpt and it makes me look professional you know, these are kind of some of the things you know, I would be looking at sort of keeping in the same style. I suppose that kind of the Florida vernacular style. You know, Florida would, you know? Large Porsche, you know, wood siding. Columns, you know, vertically proportion windows the. Current house. you know, here now you know, in pretty rough shape I mean, I don't think you have to be. Too much, you know, to knowledgeable to quite understand what you're looking at. But this one here is my favorite. This one is going on. Reddit. As far landlord repairs go, it looks like a big firms. >> That is a paper plate. Straighten out painted onto the House yeah. So that one wins the award. You know, things like A little background about myself. I you know, was born and raised here in Sarasota, the House that I would be looking to live in myself. Just, yeah, really need to, you know, kind of know from you guys, what I'm you know, is this something that that you would allow the out of, you know, and it's comments, you know, sort of what sort of, you know, conditions you know, obviously keep you know, you know, there's certain setback, certain guidelines that the building department has obviously. And, you know, we have to keep inside those guidelines. But, you you have to kind of keep with the neighborhood. So. That's sort of what I'm looking for. So just to clarify that this is a contributing building to the National Register District. That's exactly right. >> And so it's also listed on the Florida master site File. Yes, and it would be a plane for demolition of the structure. Yes, struck. >> And again, this does not count as a preapproval or give them a temperature. Yeah. >> Can we look at picture of the of the original structure? yes. Was there anything on the master site file form that was. >> Nothing to do something or is it wasn't called out in in the central but it does have a summit place right that. that, too, just looking do. trees so you can see behind. There are those in your love? >> They're know. there's 2 smaller, smaller oak trees that are beyond the house that would stay. >> kind of see it here. There's one one palm tree that's growing, you know, right up against the House that would have to go but know that to the 2 large oak trees, they have to be trimmed would be less than a 3rd of what they would be trimmed. >> And is that a corner lot? Yes. How large is the house existence? >> It will be really the same I believe existing. The footprint itself is about 1600 square feet. And, you know, really, I mean, with the setbacks and requirements, I you know, you can't can't much more than But I would be building a 2 story. House versus a verse of one story. House. And what's the year? 1947. >> And the existing grows is 16 89. >> It's a tiny lots with the 500 quarter, 20 foot setbacks from either side Is it with? You know, the actual illegal with, you know, some of those old states and the smaller. >> I believe it's 50 feet 50 or 55 feet wide. Total. I 100 feet long. Something like that. But yeah, it would be it would really be pushed up into the into the back corner. >> Yeah, it's it's kind of hard to say with really know we're going through the application really knowing the background of understand the story. That's there's anything There might be something in the deal yeah, all of Without additional research. And that's one of the challenges of making structures. >> That you have surveys that are based when to patients. >> for an ocular. But again, it's not. It's really any style. Well-known style, right a particularly early. >> Yeah, I don't believe there is any sort you know, high-profile builder owners or anything like that that that time. >> And is there anything in the that would be? It's a stark and the only sites to play >> it's a it's a it's. >> Going online anyway. But no, I mean, it's the House kind of overall is characterized. I mean, there's I mean, it is I suppose the original wood floors, but they've been painted over. And, you know, there's just pothole with termite damage. I mean, even you know, you know, just like anything, it was a rental for I don't know how many years. But, you know, they're just repairs that were stabbed on, you know, next to. I think the paper plates or characterizes the house has been treated. I do know. I mean, at some point the sighting was replaced. Are just gone over with this sort of. Sort of lap siding. Those original like would would lap siding underneath that. But again, in the areas that I can see without, you know, without really dig into it, it's, you know, pretty well. That's not pesticides. We're hoping not. That's what it looks like to me. But this I think it was what? Yeah, eye. 14 inches. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah. It's like that cement like that. 5 residing that. Depending on when it was done, which we were unable to find anything was done before the designation of the neighborhood. But yeah, it was, you know, 70's or 80's. I mean, that very well could be. Because without >> The caller told that so the story of it, you know, but I would say that I would provide it is that if this particular one is considered. Contributing structure to the neighborhood. mean, were no. been. Gracious enough to go straight to changing team. Which so what? Usually would even get to see that. By time somebody calls requesting for for demolition. I will say that whatever would go in there says this isn't for road. That's got to it, that maybe there's some variation of the to go because it seems like the rest of the neighborhood for just a quick. the label? So we're to see. Jessica. Do your best to remain in scale of that? 2 stories of partial list or something, start The site Going some history its part. do think there would be a problem that was >> With I mean, the fact that it wasn't Spotlight ID and they the district nomination. When that kind thing is based on facial hair. And so, yes, it unless it was known that it had. Historical significance, it would make it into the record. >> Right. So they do. The surveyors do do their due diligence. But I think to a small down his it would be helpful to have that deeper historical study and analysis before we put in front of you. If I'm interpreting that correctly from the board, OK, thank you. Meaning that the lack of any really critical details right now could, you know, just the result of doing a right flee level survey. >> And that provides if there's more research done in a more complete done, provides this big ation that we've been talking about. You know, the people at least understand what was there? Who live there. I know there are examples of 2 story architecture, the neighborhood. Mostly what comes to you just know that rain. think I thought it was on the court. 17. Well, Ali, Yeah, but there But there are some 2 story buildings. Folks in the neighborhood. >> Yeah, there's at a park that's right around the I can think of the name of the right now, but has the cemetery right next to it. But then some. All right. Well, I think that >> Yeah, Yeah. That's kind of you know, I know that I'm not going to yes or no, you know, without owning the house, see them. But get sort of gives me ideas. And, you know, I'll see, you know, make my decisions. I appreciate >> And topics by board. There are any toppings. I guess I would I know that talk about comprehensive plan element and there's we have not really established. We established a definite schedules that that's right. I was going to be a little note, my update, we don't have anything like on the boards right now. >> I was going to suggest a should I hold it for >> All right. Well, we have no other topics by war. that's Okay. >> I'm going answer that question before we go to the interns really quick. I just want to be sure that gets answered. one thing that I that was recommended to staff by the SEC in a group that was working to evaluate the comp plan was to introduce the historic preservation chapter and a plan changes drafted at its so in other words, I'd like to do that first and then circle back with the board on that. And then that might be part of the process of figuring out what other input you want and from whom in the community so, no, I don't have a timely right now. But there is kind of activity that I can still under take before we. And then I will. She did that to a if you'd like to have the interns up to introduce themselves as well. So I chaired the board that we that we had a number of interns and that these to really distinguish from a very, very good pool. they've had 3 days on the job so far and are invaluable let them introduce themselves and I'm sure they're opening questions. It was Wednesday. Your first day one. >> percent. It was a lot of that up to the challenge. >> Haha. >> I guess go first. I'm a member. I was born and raised in Sarasota a little fun fact about me that the back around my both met as historical re-enactors. >> I a lot background on part of exactly local a man. So the National background, which confident content university, I got a degree computer science. But when I found out, really just enjoy the research a lot a lot. you know, a lot of gentle stuff, it's been so fascinating and so going through the nature of the property. I cannot tell you how heavily marked up and highlighted the stocking. report genuinely super incredible in this environment. I love historical structures learning about it, the person through it. And I have to bring to the paperwork its own. just been a lot of work. I did a lot of of really poured I didn't slam. All of our is and of blood culture. Enough of one culture. Now event, a lot of like everything's but this is truly just so fascinating. Incredible. And I love being the slow part of the culture welcome. Yes. >> Alexander Kraus. All right. Was resent originally born in Knoxville, Tennessee. And then I moved to Lakewood Ranch and 2016, I have bouncers and history and sociology. So part, course, prefer that was these cars got to architectural history. The Ringling, which was kind of my life. And you're into that kind of thing, when I first moved here from Tennessee, a kind of hard time coping and first week, 15 and learning about Sarasota and history. They're really helps me feel connected to a place. And how long experience with so I really value the opportunity to be able to contribute for now. I'm also studying public administration right now, too. So it's really cool to see. we're facing aspect of eyes. Well. to say that you're going school for the Gulf consumers. So what kinds of things? Well, they work. >> So I've been kind of craft English, you know, sometimes when you have interns ends up being more work, you like could you sort the years trying to come up with things to do so? I'd really drafted some things to kind of just go through the backlog of things that hadn't been done. But after their first day, I completely pivoted. And now I'm actually going to give them some jobs. So this morning we kicked Each of them is taking on a design meant that's something I've spoken out to you all before Ren. He's going start to develop are appropriate marketing content for the TD our program. So right now we don't have our registry. We don't ever with Peyton. I shouldn't be announcing a sellout. It needs some work and refinements and she's going to attend to that. And then Alexander's going to take a look at information or guidance documents as I call them a two-part owning a historic property in the city of Sarasota slash selling a historic property in the city of Sarasota. So that in one place you understand the entire responsibility, the purpose, etcetera. So they're starting out by looking at best practices and other content generated by other locales. we have a pretty good guideline without line, there's a lot to be done. I was thinking at the next meeting depending on where they at, we might bring a draft to you to just start chatting about so the to get. Yeah, I've been reading over the cause for that. >> It's been a lot. you know, I'm excited do And I mean, first-year students in college. >> That I I got my earlier this from the As for I'm after graduating, I realize that more than anything. It was the research as interested where to go from there something and figure it out. But genuinely really enjoy it here. I know this is day number 4, but I really enjoy this. So, you know, figuring out on things bouncing >> And I'm like exactly in the middle of my PA right now. Okay. that's >> thanks, guys. I'm just going to talk to you if I may about the July 14th meeting. So right now what we've be bringing you the draft, a historic preservation board and new report. This is a very straightforward Templet that we feel and that basically just updates the commission on how many meetings there were with the attendance was and what was passed each of the meetings and then some financial data. So it's it's not really more than that. It's only and it's only about the calendar year 2025. all will be drafting that. And then bringing that to you for your review. And that's something that goes in front of the commission in August at something that every public advisory board is required to do on a yearly basis. The other item that we think might be coming in front of you for is a 507, kumquat courts in for that is the Resurrection House. There is storefront they're looking to make some improvements to use. That will probably be coming to you. And then the 2 items I just referred to potentially drafts of the interns work just to see where they're at and what they're thinking and what you can contribute. You know, be a lot. And then an update on the comp plan. We're at know content changes, but maybe how it's packaged might be something that I'm bringing to you. And then on updates, their very brief today just wanted to let you know that 18, 19 wrist area, which was going to go to the commission on July 6th, I believe, is now going on July. 20th. And 9.35. Citrus which not allowed to demo for for Preservation Board last month is appealing that decision to the commission that will take place and either on August 3rd or August, 17th to our knowledge. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you. >> And with that, we are adjourned. We thank you. Thank you.